Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Horatio;2268734]I agree. They are women who want a better life and choose what they think is best or what works for them. The ones I met were sweet friendly women. If people here think there is something wrong with being a prostitute, then they are just as much in the wrong for going to one.[/QUOTE]You do realize that being sweet and friendly and lazy are not mutually exclusive don't you? Just because you are one does not mean you can not be the other.

And calling something for what it is is not saying there is a dislike for it. I love McDonald's, but that shit will make you fat and sick. The same way I like hookers, but it does not prevent me from seeing that most are lazy.

Now picture the hookers in your country. Do you also believe they are women that want a better life and choose what they think is best? Or does this only apply to the fun ones that are in a far away land where you do not speak the languange?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268503]I finally got around to inputting my November mongering trip to Pattaya in Excel to see how I did.
.[/QUOTE]Never thought I'd read 'financial report and excel' in the Pattaya forum in the same post. Buddy and I were just talking about the hidden costs that you don't expect on a trip, I brought up the FKK's in Germany and compared them to Thailand and its funny that your average encounter cost you $64 which is roughly the same to shag a girl in the clubs in Germany. Times are different mind you but sex is sex. The hidden costs though do add up in Thailand if you get a girl LT and like her company and end up keeping her vs just having sex and moving on. Drinks, food and entertainment add up quickly when you add a girl to your trip. Same goes with having a buddie or two along, for instance my one buddie wouldn't touch the streetfood which really increases the food budget, another would want everyone to go drink for drink thus increasing the drink bill accordingly. The clubs in Germany are an exception to the rule, no drinks needed for the girls and everything was included in the price of admission so the money in your wallet could be budgeted out exactly for rounds of sex. My last trip I made the mistake of staying in Bangkok and passing up on Pattaya since a buddie's schedule wouldn't allow for a longer Pattaya visit. Big mistake on my part. Those extra drink prices and gogo rates really ate into my budget more than I expected. Pattaya rocks on service and low cost alternatives to stretch your budget.

I keep pretty good records each trip as well but never broke it down this way. For clarification in the 33 that's per session not per round right? So a girl let once at night and again in morning is just a 1 count. But if you take the girl again in a couple days it's now a 2 right? Did you count BJ bar as a half or not at all? I got a week coming up next week will do the same analysis.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268503]I finally got around to inputting my November mongering trip to Pattaya in Excel to see how I did.

I spent 17-1/2 mongering days in Pattaya, a new record for me. In that time I had intercourse 33 times with 24 new girls and 9 repeats (a couple of repeats were from prior visits). 24 of the encounters were girls from Soi 6, 4 were from agogo's, 5 from Red Car and one girl from Wind Mill but who I got freelancing.

The total amount I spent on fees and fines and tips was around 69,000 Baht (about $2,100), which equates to an averaged cost of about $64 per encounter.

I was actually stunned at this final cost, at how low it was. I was expecting it to be closer to $3,000 based on the cash I had remaining at the end, but after reviewing everything I find it is accurate. Much was made of my spending tons of money on Monkey Paw's high priced agogo girls, but I only went out 5 times with agogo girls, so their "high" cost is averaged out over the other 29 encounters. But for comparison, last April, where I had only one agogo girl, the average cost per encounter was $14 lower, so the agogo girls did have an impact. What likely depleted my budget so much compared to previous trips was not the direct cost of the girls or the cost of the agogo girls, but rather the entertainment expenses. I bought many more Lady Drinks and I literally threw money away hurling 100 Baht notes to the dancers!

The bottom line of how much we spent, at least for us vacationers, comes down to whether we had a good time or not for the money, and if we can afford it. I certainly had a good time! I am fortunate enough that I could also afford it. In previous trips I was ready to leave after 10 days, but with some bros showing up this time, other than some disappointments with the performance of the high priced agogo girls, I was hardly ever bored and consider this to have been my best trip to Thailand ever. So, no regrets about what I spent.

I hope this information helps someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2268825]Never thought I'd read 'financial report and excel' in the Pattaya forum in the same post. Buddy and I were just talking about the hidden costs that you don't expect on a trip, I brought up the FKK's in Germany and compared them to Thailand and its funny that your average encounter cost you $64 which is roughly the same to shag a girl in the clubs in Germany. Times are different mind you but sex is sex. The hidden costs though do add up in Thailand if you get a girl LT and like her company and end up keeping her vs just having sex and moving on. Drinks, food and entertainment add up quickly when you add a girl to your trip. Same goes with having a buddie or two along, for instance my one buddie wouldn't touch the streetfood which really increases the food budget, another would want everyone to go drink for drink thus increasing the drink bill accordingly. The clubs in Germany are an exception to the rule, no drinks needed for the girls and everything was included in the price of admission so the money in your wallet could be budgeted out exactly for rounds of sex. My last trip I made the mistake of staying in Bangkok and passing up on Pattaya since a buddie's schedule wouldn't allow for a longer Pattaya visit. Big mistake on my part. Those extra drink prices and gogo rates really ate into my budget more than I expected. Pattaya rocks on service and low cost alternatives to stretch your budget.[/QUOTE]We were discussing this recently in another thread. Of the places I've been that provide a fun club experience in addition to sex, Thailand still rules for low cost. Even the gogos and buying lady drinks are lower priced than many other world options.

Brazil remains my pick for best bang for the buck. A bit higher priced than thailand. But much better service guarantee at the nice clubs.

And Germany FKK ends up a bit less of a value, but still totally awesome and realistically quite a bit more expensive than Thailand when you include the full club experience.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2268525]It makes no difference but I prefer to call girls in the P4P business working girls not working girls hookers or prostitutes. I prefer to see them as individuals not as indistinctive uneducated hoards of farm hands from Essan who should be grateful that somebody wants to shag them for 700 baht arguing its twice the minimum wage. For better or worse they take care of our needs, enrich our lives with their company. Some are deviant hustlers but most are nice people. They choose this line of work not because they are lazy they do it for the money. Some need that money badly to take care of responsibilities back home and some just see it as a way to a better lifestyle. Some members understandably see it differently but that's my take for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I enjoy the encounter much better when I treat the girls as human beings worthy of respect rather than just receptacles for my discharge.

I have no problem with someone describing someone as lazy. It seems like a big generalization but I don't know that it isn't true. I don't like them being called whs or hos. I don't know any hookers in america. I don't think they should be called wh---s either.

Just my opinion though, you should use whatever word you think best.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268754]You do realize that being sweet and friendly and lazy are not mutually exclusive don't you? Just because you are one does not mean you can not be the other.

And calling something for what it is is not saying there is a dislike for it. I love McDonald's, but that shit will make you fat and sick. The same way I like hookers, but it does not prevent me from seeing that most are lazy.

Now picture the hookers in your country. Do you also believe they are women that want a better life and choose what they think is best? Or does this only apply to the fun ones that are in a far away land where you do not speak the languange?[/QUOTE]

A bit off topic!

A few years back we had a falling out and our friendship parted ways with me wishing him the best while living here in Pattaya. Through the years I would run into him during his Go Go's outings but the last year and a half I've not seen him anywhere nor seen any reporting. My memory serves me right he was reporting well before 2007, on the Thailand forum we came to meet when he retired and settle in Pattaya Jomtien area in 2007.

I was in his area yesterday afternoon and decided to stop by his Condo to check on his status and found out through the office that Daddy07 had passed away due to poor health a year ago.

Are. I. P.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2268949]I don't like them being called whs or hos. I don't know any hookers in america. I don't think they should be called wh---s either.

Just my opinion though, you should use whatever word you think best.[/QUOTE]LOL. But that is the literal definition of a woman that has sex with a man for money. It is even in the bible. What else should we not call by what it is?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2268946]Totally agree. I enjoy the encounter much better when I treat the girls as human beings worthy of respect rather than just receptacles for my discharge.[/QUOTE]I am with you guys strongly on this and it really bothers me when guys treat the girls as somehow lesser. This is a damn tough job that all of us would fail miserably at (even if we had a pussy!) plus they are brightening the day / week / month of another human being. What is not to love?

So what is the best name for this job? Sex Worker is so antiseptic and the good ones provide so much more than sex. These women completely change my outlook on life for gods sake!

I'm going with "Quality of Life Improvement Specialist" !

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2268975]I am with you guys strongly on this <snip>

So what is the best name for this job? Sex Worker is so antiseptic and the good ones provide so much more than sex. These women completely change my outlook on life for gods sake![/QUOTE]I prefer the term "working girls" or "pros" used in comparison to "amateurs" or "part time girls". And I agree with you, Turgid, and Horatio among many others that the words "whorre" & "hoe" have negative, demeaning connotations in the English language. I only use those words when I wish to describe a negative attribute about someone in particular like an unfaithful ex-girlfriend or a corrupt politician. LOL. I happen to be very fond of a lot of working girls. I have no reason to denigrate or insult them unless they try to rip me off.

I highly recommend the early French New Wave film, "Les Bonnes Femmes" ( "the Good Girls") directed by film legend Claude Chabrol. I first saw it when I was in college. 4 young Parisian girls trying to make it on their own in the big city and it does not always work out so well. A great film!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2268957]A bit off topic!

A few years back we had a falling out and our friendship parted ways with me wishing him the best while living here in Pattaya. Through the years I would run into him during his Go Go's outings but the last year and a half I've not seen him anywhere nor seen any reporting. My memory serves me right he was reporting well before 2007, on the Thailand forum we came to meet when he retired and settle in Pattaya Jomtien area in 2007.

I was in his area yesterday afternoon and decided to stop by his Condo to check on his status and found out through the office that Daddy07 had passed away due to poor health a year ago.

Are. I. P.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reporting this sad news. I'm not sure whether I ever met him or not. I did meet a poster with the word "Daddy" in his title in Pattaya once. I clearly remember Daddy07 was a very frequent poster on Thailand boards.

Rest in Peace Daddy07.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268958]LOL. But that is the literal definition of a woman that has sex with a man for money. It is even in the bible. What else should we not call by what it is?[/QUOTE]A Rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. It's really not about what you call the girls it's about respecting them and not seeing them as uneducated lazy low life's. I'm not judging you and it seems you enjoy their company quite a lot but just maybe a little more appreciation of who they are what they do for a living wouldn't go amiss.

I wondered down to walking street for a NYE treat and my first stop was the windmill to see about my proven 3 some and was surprised to find out they were both no longer working there. Even my favorite mamasan was no longer there. In my opinion the mean mamasan upstairs and her butch minion has changed things for the worst. Windmill was my #1 last two trips. Mamasan joy? Was like the conductor with the ladies. Now it seems like a little less action. Just my. 02 though.

I attempted to try a new girl that was in the same naughty play mat position upstairs but was told barfine was 6000. In disbelief, I say total 6000 baht and they say no 6000 to bar and girl seperate. I immediately headed for the door. I think I learned why Pattaya is no good for NYE.

I walk down to sugar baby to check out the scene and only stayed for one beer. I was hoping old mamasan and proven 3 some would be found there as I know when Annabelle was open they moved around mamasan and ladies. I found one lady to my taste and no familiar faces so I moved on.

Next stop was Panda to see what all the hype was about. About 40 ladies or so. Most of the good ones were with customer by this time. I stuck around for two drinks but decided to move on. Overall good talent and the ladies dressed in bikinis were pretty fn sexy. I take it models were in bikinis but didn't inquire about pricing. I think it deserves a return when I get back in 2 weeks and plan to make it a first stop.

I wondered down to what's up and I have to say this is a favorite. The place always has lots of stunners in my opinion. Mamasan is freaking awesome as well. This is where the night got interesting. I ran into a guy from my home town in the states. What's the odds right? We barfine two models LT and take them to insomnia where I had a table reserved. I'm ashamed to say the price but it seemed it was a ongoing theme at all gogos I stopped at. NYE caused inflation. 10 k baht for each LT and I forget the exact breakdown of BF vs lady. Long story short they end up too mao after a little champagne and a few jello shots which I'm not even sure contain alcohol. I ask if momma sick at home too. They laugh and apparently didn't get the hint. They say too mao again and I repeat mama sick. They ended up leaving a hour into Insomnia and I went to talk to mamasan. At the prices being charged I wasn't willing to write this off. Mamasan took care of it minus a couple thousand baht which considering the insomnia time I felt was fair enough. Better than being out all of it. She is a awesome lady! I bought her LD upon entering and she actually bought me like 5 tequilas before friend showed up and another round after he showed up. This was all before ladies joined table BTW.

Slightly past 1 am I wondered back over to windmill. I talk to the waitress I've known since my first trip and ask about the full bodied tattooed lady I inquired about earlier. I was hoping with closing time near prices would of become reasonable. She was gone! Waitress says barfine me. So I end up BF the waitress which was only 1. 5 k baht BF and her part wasn't discussed. Back at the hotel she started off shy asking for beer to help. After a few drinks, some DFK and DATY she was a beast in the bed. I may be moving into the staying away from expensive stunners group here. I'm seeing the reoccurring theme the more I visit.

Night 3 of SEA tour Pattaya I continued with the waitress. I found a awesome GFE and stuck with it. Still no mention of her fee. I took her for massage and to buy a couple outfits because she have no clothes for day 2 without going home. To be honest I wanted to fix her situation up a little. Taking her into my forced 5 star hotel (due to nemos overbooking) royal cliff beach hotel (review coming ASAP) with the way she was dressed was causing too much attention. She had a bag that was all marked up and looked like something my daughter had when she was 6 playing with crayons with it. Socks and shoes that would make you look twice. Her jeans looked horrible but she did have a nice newer top. After shopping we went to windmill so she could change into the bra and panties I bought and here comes mamasan talking double the BF vs on NYE night. 3 k baht BF for waitress? It pissed me off! I took money back and was ready to leave. Waitress stepped in and the crazy mamasan went away. Butch comes over and asks what's wrong and I told her mamasan no good and they need to bring back old mamasan. The mamasan downstairs was one of the ones around before and she is awesome but the new manly one upstairs has some issues. I'm by far not a cheap charlie. I pay for what I want without thinking twice and tip well when deserved but I'm not going to be taken advantage of. Maybe my inexperience on NYE is to blame for this. Maybe I just felt like they were trying to bend me over without lube but in reality it's just the way things are on NYE. Either way I don't like that mamasans ways. The way she raises her voice and talks like a possessed demon is crazy. Anyone know what happened to the naughty mamasan? She was so much fun! Was her name Joy? I'm probably wrong on name. I'm bad with names and really bad with Thailand names.

Sorry not much good reporting here fellas. Hopefully, day 4 and 5 in BKK will be more beneficial to others. Considering waitress said she never get barfine I will leave her anonymous. Wouldn't be hard to figure it out though. Tonight I will explore Nana for the first time. I will try to take notes so I can provide better details.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2268996]I prefer the term "working girls" or "pros" used in comparison to "amateurs" or "part time girls". [/QUOTE]Problem with that is that pro is short for PROstitute, not professional.

This is my first real trip report in 2 1/2 years. The reason for my lack of activity is due to being diagnosed with cancer in July 2016. Subsequent treatment including chemo, radiation and sundry side effects kept me on the bench until just recently when I got the all clear from my doctors to travel. I also had a urinary tract operation resulting in a nasty side effect called retrograde ejaculation (google it if you want to know the offputting details).

So it's basically been this length of time since I have enjoyed carnal pleasures. I aarived in Bangkok several days ago and have been a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge. Yesterday decided to travel to Pattaya for my initial experiment. All not the way, I heard about a club called the Camel Toe located a bit outside the city center. Here below are my findings.

I took a Grab Taxi for 190 b and arrived 15 minutes later. It's in an inausipicious location on the side of a remote road with a metal yellow street sign that has an illustration of a camel and the word toe beneath. I almost walked out immediately as the bullpen talent hanging outside was not impressive. Indeed, downright awful with the exception of one pretty and petite girl called Pim.

Pim followed me in and sat across from me. My Heineken was 55 b and her LD was 120 b. The mama San said her company was 1000 b (or up), no BF, and the room was 300. She nozzled up to me for a bit and then I decided now or never. I told MamaSan it's go time.

Whereupon we hopped on a motorcycle to a short destination nearby.

A quick shower, some light kissing and DATY, which she abruptly stopped as I think she was close to coming. Anyway, did the deed and got that monkey off my back.

Would I repeat? No way would I go to that place again. The rest of the girls were god awful and the place is a dump. The girl was new and it showed in her weak performance but at least I know everything is in semi working order.