Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957558]I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that quick note, Tom Jackin, even though mine was a rhetorical SOS, needing your intervention.

Some people are closet misogynists and write long winding prose to couch it. I like Gogo's style: Treat the pro as a pro and should you not like what she offers, move on. Perhaps Mr. Enternational is the greatest lover he claims to be, for I have never read of a single "miss" he has had and to me that sounds fiction, as I do not go anywhere near a casa. I do think that sex with a person with some chemistry is a hundred times better like Old Kool suggests and it is feasible in the DR. No point calling them be. Hes for we are all johns and no purer. As Frannie said, these are no first world putas so why * continuously about the putas; go back to good old US, where everything is hunky dory, or Spain?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1957611] continuously about the putas; go back to good old US, where everything is hunky dory, or Spain?[/QUOTE]Spain?

I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.

The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.

Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957558]Completely agree.

Again, completely agree. I saw your recent report; thanks.

Nah, I've been exploring other countries and cities. Have not been to Sosua since last March. I will hit up the DR in January, but not Sosua.

I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.[/QUOTE]Funny thing is, there's a lot of PM traffic out there discussing these things, and I get encouraged to post reports.

Here's a typical reply (today) to a PM from another poster, which is basically a report, so I think why not post it here, where it belongs? (Mod can verify)

Thanks xxxxxx. !

Funny thing is, I'm still doing it.

I was there in October, and I'm back for more in December.

The (married) buddy I introduced to Sosua is like a kid in a candy store down there, and he can't get enough of the action. He's picked up family down there like I did, but he loves the fresh stuff too.

He loves the chicas that we bring in from out of town, and the days in between checking out Classico. He enjoys my connections with the locals that keep trying to hook him up with more.

Princessa retired to regular life with family and doesn't like Sosua anymore, and will only come to meet me if I send her the $200 cab fare from San Jean de Maguena, so sometimes I don't tell her I'm visiting. She has her "spies", though and the last two times she has just shown up with her suitcase! Our relationship is like family so she knows I only act pissed when she shows up. The hug I give her and the big smile on my face tells her I'm happy she's there. My buddy really likes having her around too with all his new chicas, she is like a mother hen, making sure everybody is ok without getting in the way.

Sometimes we have their mamas around too. (weird family DR shit, somewhere between a proud mama, a chaperone and share the wealth!) It all runs surprisingly smooth though, and everybody goes home happy!

I'm very lucky, buddy can afford to pick up all my expenses when we travel together, but I have as much fun down there, when I am paying the shot!

Thanks again xxxxxx, you sound like a great guy.

Hell this is a report, I think I'll leave your name off and post it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957837]Funny thing is, there's a lot of PM traffic out there discussing these things, and I get encouraged to post reports.

Here's a typical reply (today) to a PM from another poster, which is basically a report, so I think why not post it here, where it belongs? (Mod can verify)

Thanks xxxxxx. !

Funny thing is, I'm still doing it.

I was there in October, and I'm back for more in December.

The (married) buddy I introduced to Sosua is like a kid in a candy store down there, and he can't get enough of the action. He's picked up family down there like I did, but he loves the fresh stuff too.

He loves the chicas that we bring in from out of town, and the days in between checking out Classico. He enjoys my connections with the locals that keep trying to hook him up with more.

Princessa retired to regular life with family and doesn't like Sosua anymore, and will only come to meet me if I send her the $200 cab fare from San Jean de Maguena, so sometimes I don't tell her I'm visiting. She has her "spies", though and the last two times she has just shown up with her suitcase! Our relationship is like family so she knows I only act pissed when she shows up. The hug I give her and the big smile on my face tells her I'm happy she's there. My buddy really likes having her around too with all his new chicas, she is like a mother hen, making sure everybody is ok without getting in the way.

Sometimes we have their mamas around too. (weird family DR shit, somewhere between a proud mama, a chaperone and share the wealth!) It all runs surprisingly smooth though, and everybody goes home happy!

I'm very lucky, buddy can afford to pick up all my expenses when we travel together, but I have as much fun down there, when I am paying the shot!

Thanks again xxxxxx, you sound like a great guy.

Hell this is a report, I think I'll leave your name off and post it.[/QUOTE]Brilliant trip report, made me feel like I was there. Keep 'them coming.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957861]Brilliant trip report, made me feel like I was there. Keep 'them coming.[/QUOTE]You too! :)

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957769]Spain?

I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.

The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.

Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day![/QUOTE]Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957269]My last post;.

There you go playing word games trying to pivot around the true and only topic that should've been discussed, which is your boy made a fuck move. Not what this girl did, not what she had coming, not doing what other girls did to us. She should've got a pass and not your boy.[/QUOTE]1st off, there is no monger or working girl rules that anyone is required to follow. All we have is our own opinion of what's right or wrong. And technically there is no right or wrong. Its just decisions, POV, and outcome. Anybody can claim one way is right, and another is wrong, at the end of the day it don't make a bit of difference. Whats done is done. You think the guy is fucked up. So what? I'm sure he aint going to lose any sleep over that. Nobody has clean hands here. Most people have done some things somebody else thought was fucked up. If people were called out for every fucked up thing, we'd all have to be held accountable. Thats why I don't get the self righteous fingerpointing.

[QUOTE]WRX said " I don't have a dog in this race "but you found all kind of fault in the female but gave Bobby a pass.[/QUOTE]I gave him a pass because I felt he was entitled to change his mind. As for the female? She was no longer his date, or connected to him, the minute she decided to try to go off with another man. What exactly is your beef with his decision? He changed his mind, so what? There was no business contract? No binding clauses. That man is free to change his mind just like she freely changed hers to get with another man. Now tell me what did he owe this woman for not giving her his business? And please don't use the claim that that man is fucking things up for the rest of us. Unless somebody can come up with substantive facts, that is just an assumption. Personally, I think it's a good thing that these hoes realize that they don't have all of the power in this game, and that they know where their bread and butter comes from. What good is having power in the p4 p game, if a monger is obligated to put his needs above hoes?

[QUOTE]WRX said " Moreover, lets not over exaggerate here. The guy didn't tell the woman to scram. He told her that he was tired, and can we do this another night. " So he invites her, tells her he needs to go get money and comes back and says he is tired and can we do this another night and somehow you don't think he is not telling her to leave?[/QUOTE]He was in essence telling her to leave, of course. But he didn't say it in any disrespectful or fucked up manner the way you wrote it. The way he said it was apologetic, and even though she was pissed / disappointed, she left peacefully. So I wanted to get that part straight. Besides, she is a hoe. If he saw her again, and said lets go. What do you think she is going to do, telll him to scram? I think we both know better.
No hoes anger or disappointment is gonna manipulate me from looking out for my own interests. They'll get over it.

[QUOTE] With the Haitian chic it was good Karma because it was meant to be. Some things positive happen even when surrounded by negative events. I was buying the Haitian drinks as I decided how to play the night when you called. You came to the bar at Europa and me and the girl we're still drinking. I went to change my clothes so me and the Haitian could hit the strip (with me paying) but you made the friend play with the Haitian. Once the friend arrived you didn't like her so we were now in an awkward spot. To save face I lied and said I had an emergency and gave the girls 500 to go back home or whatever. We had made plans to go get some other girls. Luckily she found me at the bar across from Baileys and I explained everything. It was a great night, you were there in the morning when we went to the metro. That's totally different from the " fuck move" your buddy did. Stay on topic and let's discuss why your buddy did that? What was his perspective, and any other matrix regarding him you choose to discuss. But I'm not getting on that blame the female run you like to lead people on.[/QUOTE]Bro, I'm not talking about how the night eventually finished. I'm talking about what amounts to you having a double standard.

You told me way before the Haitian girl even arrived that you wasnt sure about being with her. That you wanted to stay loose. You had already invited her to come and you were unsure, just like you claimed this guy was. So that's one thing you both had in common. The Haitian chicas friend does not factor into this, because that has nothing to do with you being able to connect with the lady you invited. And like I said, you wasnt aborting for me, you were aborting for you. When the Haitian chica was out of earshot you conveyed to me of how you were going to ditch her, and I agreed to meet you at another bar.

If my memory serves me right, you walked in the direction of the ATM's and caught a moto down the street instead of Europa. Apparently she must have caught her own moto, and busted you at the bar I was supposed to meet you at. I get there, and you both are sitting there. And now the same chica you are not interested in being with you invited inside this bar, and buying her a drink again. The same criteria you alluded to being fucked up. Why keep buying drinks for a woman you are not interested in being with? The icing on the cake, is you put everything on me, and claimed you didn't want to hurt her feelings. Which means you avoided taking responsibility for your own behavior. When that chick found you at the 2nd bar, that 500 pesos was nothing more than a guilt payoff. But she probably was too jaded to pay attention to how she got dumped. There is no way I was responsible for any of the decisions you made. Not me, nor the Haitians chicas friend has anything to do with your decision . You wanted to be free, and did all of the aforementioned particulars to accomplish that.

Now the reason why I felt that you shouldn't be finger pointing, because what you did amounted to all the things you claim to despise, and how you wouldnt be around a guy like that. Walking down the street and sneakily catching a moto? You dont see a problem with that? At least the guy I talked about, came back and gave an excuse more believable.

[QUOTE]Mr GoGo say Then when women get tired of bullshit like this and want cash up front and acts hardcore we then say she is the devil. [b]Don't invite a girl to sit if you aren't interested, don't buy them a drink if you aren't interested[/b], it's a simple code. It's not a commitment to fuck. [b]Sure you can change your mind, but be a man about your shit and don't play kid games in an adult environment[/b]. It's a fuck move. Fuck what she did because that didn't figure into what he did. See rude MF like that I wouldn't be around too much. He knew he was unsure from the beginning[/QUOTE]When you lied to the chica about your reason for changing plans, walked off to catch a moto without being seen by the chica, confusing the chica by buying drinks with no intention of getting with her that night, then later using me as scapegoat, and you think that qualifies as being a man about your shit, and not playing games? What games you played with that chica IMO was far worse than what that guy did. You paying her off or buying her drinks, does not change that fact.

I was happy that the both of you finally got together. If you recall, I told you way back at Europa that you should get with her, that I thought she was cute. Wasnt it you that was adamant about not wanting to follow through?. It wasnt any other reason. Now as far as the guy is concerned or that woman, like you, both of them might have had a positive outcome from not following through with each other. I could be dead wrong about the Karma thing. It worked out for you. It could happen for either of them as well. At the end of the day, I still maintain a monger has the right to change his mind, and does not necessarily owe a hoe something just because he changes his mind. If he chooses to compensate a woman, that is on him. In spite of that raggedy situation, I still supported your right to change your mind. Sometimes lies need to be told, to get what we want. But I'm not going to judge another monger for doing what he needs to do to free himself. You feel different. But you demonstrated by your own example that you are no different. We all do some form of dirt.

When I 1st read your statement, the 1st thing that popped in my head was that you have a double standard. One for yourself, and another where you see fit. Thats why I do not see you and that guy as being any different. Especially if we apply the particulars in your statement.

Do you recall the day in Boca Chica, where some chica was eye balling you on the beach? She eventually came up to you, sat down and tried to make conversation. After a few minutes, she asked you to buy her a cerveza, and you refused. Later that night the same thing happened to me. One of the bar girls invited herself over, sat down and tried to engage me. She asked me to buy her a cerveza. You were standing at the time, you looked at me and said it's okay to pay for a drink, and be sociable. I was like, huh? Since when did I need someones approval or input on what I can do when a chica asks me to buy drinks? When the chica on the beach asked for a drink you flat out told her no, but now you have a different standard for me if someone asks me to buy them drinks? You know that's what them bargirls do to guys on the regular. You are supposed to be looking out for me, not advocating for me to play into their hands.

[QUOTE=XXL;1957890]Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.[/QUOTE]Lots of Germans like Sosua, too.

But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play, I'm not sure some of them could handle the sophisticated hookers they have in Europe.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957769]Spain?

I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.

The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.

Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day![/QUOTE]Don't know what venues you frequented but there are ads all over the place for the prices I stated, although perhaps not in the two most expensive cities in Spain. Regarding air fare, I looked on kayak last night and saw $340 round trip from NYC to Madrid and $370 to Barcelona. It's true you won't find many Spanish prostitutes in Spain, other than 'las putas de la ruta' who exist mostly for truckers and are mostly not fuckable even by my low standards. Taxis are not expensive in Spain, although they may be more expensive than a motoconcho in the DR. Taxis are also unnecessary in Spain 95% of the time.

Re dining out: it is significantly LESS expensive than in many places, especially since the sales tax is built into the price and Spaniards do not tip. Is 10 euro for a four course lunch too much? And that is a net price. I mostly cook for myself and food is cheaper in the supermarket than in the US and of better quality. Regarding English being widely spoken in resort areas, I don't know because I speak Spanish, but the resort areas are not where you want to go to monger. Go to ordinary Spanish cities like Zaragosa, Valencia, Cuenca, etc.

Anyone with specific questions about Spain can PM me, as I don't want to de-rail the thread.

Some updates:

Classico had about 10 guys and 100 women in and out.

Basically nobody dancing on the dance floor but one of two girls.

Downstairs was jampacked Below classico and you save 200 pesos because it's free.

All hard-core girls in the club and across the street the same.

1 am everything shut down went to after one still closed, but Casino was opened.

The Casino only has a couple of leftovers hard-core girls and.

Girls who like to get high if you know what I mean. Rumbas is still closed.

Alerts there's a bunch of girls on the corner near the casino who.

Pickpockets avoid them you've been Warned exchange rate is 46 to one.

I had one my Regular on the way from PP so I was just Windowshopping.

2000 to 3000 pesos is still the going rate for all night with some bargaining.

It is still some women asking for "100 US and getting it.

I will be on the strip tonight keeping you guys informed hopefully some part-time.

Out of Town Chicas come through.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1957929]Some updates:

Classico had about 10 guys and 100 women in and out.

Basically nobody dancing on the dance floor but one of two girls.

Downstairs was jampacked Below classico and you save 200 pesos because it's free.

All hard-core girls in the club and across the street the same.

1 am everything shut down went to after one still closed, but Casino was opened.

The Casino only has a couple of leftovers hard-core girls and.

Girls who like to get high if you know what I mean. Rumbas is still closed.

Alerts there's a bunch of girls on the corner near the casino who..[/QUOTE]Now THAT'S a useful report.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957515]No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.

It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.

Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying.

Sosua has one-way traffic systems, so sometimes motos may use routes that don't look like the most direct route to get around the streets that are blocked off, for example you can only enter Dr. Rosen, where several hotels are located, from one end of the street, so you might have to go an extra turn around the block to get to the hotel. People who are on their first visit to town might be confused by this. Anyway $100 pesos is probably too much for a fare from Bourbon St. To any of the hotels in Sosua, and even late at night that would be the maximum, assuming there is only one passenger. If there is a second passenger, expect to pay double.

This is information that is highly useful to newbies and ought to be printed on cards and given to passengers arriving at the airport.[/QUOTE]No Frannie. I don't recommend anybody getting on any moto, until AFTER they get the particulars mutually understood. Once that's established, then you can get on. You get on a moto 1st and start talking, you'll be down the fucking street.

I also recommend getting them to repeat the price and the destination. Frannies advice about not asking the fare because you are asking to be suckered into overpaying, is ridiculous. The main reason for asking what the fare is, is so you won't be suckered into overpaying. Just because you ask a price doesn't mean you have to pay what's quoted. A person has options. No that's too high, this is what I will pay or wait for them to make a counter offer you can agree to. I won't even bother to ask how you came up with that "asking to be suckered" shit. I already know.

There are other situations where telling people what you are willing to pay may have it's disadvantages. You approach someone and tell them what you will pay for an item or a service, thinking you are being smart, not realizing the other individual may have had a lower price than what you had in mind. So now you are paying extra for your ignorance.

If you pay attention to enough locals and how they do business it works just like that. Locals in general are known for bargaining. Sellers tend to avoid giving prices when they can. Instead many rather you tell them what you are willing to pay. So they can possible come out on top of the transaction. For certain situations it's probably wiser not to show your hand so quickly asserting how much your willing to pay. Of course it depends on what you are paying for.

Example. You hail a cab in Santiago airport, and tell him you are going to Sosua. Since taxi prices can vary from one to the next, you don't have anything to lose by asking the fare up front, and negotiating from there. You don't go " I got $100 take me to Sosua" Just because you heard some guys have paid that or more. I know of instances where guys have told people what they wanted to pay, the other party agreed, then later found out that they severely overpaid. That can apply to a lot of things or situations.

The last taxi I got from Santiago to Sosua, was 3000 pesos. Probably could have got a lower rate had I negotiated further or sought a better price from another taxi. He got my business because he had a van, and I had a lot of luggage this trip. Too cumbersome for relying on using Metro or Caribe Tours. I'd rather pay 3000 pesos to ride in a van comfortably, than save a few pesos more if my other option was a small compact.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957440]Thanks for the report WRX, I like hearing reports from the guys living there. Maybe next time you could not omit what that fare would normally be and what the outcome with the fare disagreement was.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I think moto fares are a debatable subject. I suspect locals usually pay less than we do for the same ride. I believe vacationers and expats, tend to pay 50 pesos to most detsinations within Sosua during the day and early evening. Some motos insist on 100 pesos during late night. I'm reasonably sure, where one guy wants 100 pesos, there will be a moto nearby who will accept 50 for the same ride. Motoconchos are very competitive with each other.

I've had chicas come to my place various times at night from within Sosua, and still only paid 50 pesos for that ride. I've also had chicas dropped off at night, and the moto expectied to get paid 100 pesos Typically ill give a chica traveling within Sosua 50 pesos, and wait for her to come inside the gate. I'm not paying 100 pesos, Especially when that is not how much she would be charged and I am not the passenger. . Besides, a chica, like us should get the price up front before she gets on the moto. The fact that chicas don't look out for us, tells a story of how they treat us like ATM machines. In some instances, I'll tell a chica up front to pay for her own moto to get to my spot. Thats even better.

Other destinations outside of Sosua, that can vary. I usually pay 100 pesos for one of my chicas motos, from that town up in the hills from Sosua Abajo. Starts with an M. Marinetta?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957913]But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play,[/QUOTE]More than the "difficulties", it is the grand philosophizing that gets my goat. As you say, it is P4P in Sosua, and it is legal to boot, how complicated can that be? Too bad a budding Proust has chosen a Puta board, to try his real passion. LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;1957890]Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.[/QUOTE]I have no problem adding Germany as I am rather fond of the FKKs but you get the same mix, the usual culprits from Latin America and add to that the East Europeans and an occasional Russian and Italian that I have had, mostly past their prime.