Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959211]Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.

Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.[/QUOTE]Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.

The sacalero was begging from locals, too, but wasn't following them like he followed me. There used to be this woman who begged in Café Excedra in Buenos Aires, holding up a sign saying she was a deaf mute and walking like a hunchback. I think she had some kind of a pillow back there or something. One day I saw her walking completely normally in a totally different neighborhood. So not a hunchback. So I walked up behind her and clapped my hands real hard behind her head. She turned around (not deaf) and said, '¡Me asustó! = you scared me! (not mute).

I forget where I was, maybe Quito, and there was this guy who was out there all day long on a little dolly with his legs folded up under him like he was crippled. Then when it got dark, he would get off his dolly, put it under his arm, and walk away normally. Sitting like that all day has got to be worse than working as a [I]bostero[/I] (shit shoveler, stall mucker) or something, plus if you do it long enough, you'll probably screw your legs up for real. Obviously he could only target tourists because all the locals knew he was faking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959211]Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.[/QUOTE]That's a very profound statement and so true bruh. Something many of us mongers might want to let marinate. Here you have individuals professing to be poor, starving and in need of help etc, and yet many of them will blatantly discriminate (pick and choose publicly) where their help comes from. WOW.

I recall a few incidents ago where chicas or kids came up to me begging to give them, pesos, buy them water, a soda, a cerveza (not kids), or food. I pointed to any dominican individuals standing nearby. The 1st thing they'll do is act like they do not understand anything you are saying. They'll keep looking at the people you are pointing to for them to ask. Then turn back to me, and say. " el, ella, ellos es malo, me no gusta". I would ask, "porque tu no gusta?

They wouldn't give a reason, just simply kept repeating that they don't like them. So in order to dodge being put on the spot, enough of them have devised a clever comeback of supposedly not liking someone, And that's supposed to be the reason they won't ask somebody else for the same thing they are asking me. On occasion I've flipped it on them, and told them that "Estoy malo tambien", and "cheapy cheapy. ".

I figured, since they don't like approaching bad people, they won't have much choice but to leave me alone too! If I feel like having a little fun with them, I will jokingly accuse them of being "mafioso" (or is it mafiosa for a female?) and go on about my business not taking them seriously.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959240]The sacalero was begging from locals, too, but wasn't following them like he followed me. There used to be this woman who begged in Caf Excedra in Buenos Aires, holding up a sign saying she was a deaf mute and walking like a hunchback. I think she had some kind of a pillow back there or something. One day I saw her walking completely normally in a totally different neighborhood. So not a hunchback. So I walked up behind her and clapped my hands real hard behind her head. She turned around (not deaf) and said, 'Me asust! = you scared me! (not mute).

I forget where I was, maybe Quito, and there was this guy who was out there all day long on a little dolly with his legs folded up under him like he was crippled. Then when it got dark, he would get off his dolly, put it under his arm, and walk away normally. Sitting like that all day has got to be worse than working as a [I]bostero[/I] (shit shoveler, stall mucker) or something, plus if you do it long enough, you'll probably screw your legs up for real. Obviously he could only target tourists because all the locals knew he was faking.[/QUOTE]I strongly believe and suspect that a lot of locals that report daily to Sosua to work, arent as in need of help as they portray.

I recall a video Cuba Dave made where he was warning mongers about sending money and requests for money (RFMs). He told a story about a chica that asked him for $200 USD to supposedly pay rent or they would lose their house. She said her house was similar to some of the rundown shacks on the beach. He asked a motoconcho driver who knew the girl to drive him by the chicas house where she lived. He found out that her place and living conditions were much much better than what she claimed. Nothing like the story she told. Now I'm not sure if Cuba Daves story is true, but I'm 100% certain that many locals tell us a bunch of lies to get us to feel sorry for them, and give them shit.

I recall a Haitian chica, username Mirlande, she claimed she was in Haiti and needed $40 towards a visa so she could come back to the DR. Said she will be there Oct 16,2015. Ironically, another guy I know also got the same message from her as well. And who knows how many others in her message chain all got the exact same request? Of course neither of us sent her money, and neither of us let her know what we knew of what she was doing. Sometimes it's better to play the sucker role, to catch a sucker. Just don't let them see your hand.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959294]

I recall a Haitian chica, username Mirlande, she claimed she was in Haiti and needed $40 towards a visa so she could come back to the DR. Said she will be there Oct 16,2015. Ironically, another guy I know also got the same message from her as well. And who knows how many others in her message chain all got the exact same request? Of course neither of us sent her money, and neither of us let her know what we knew of what she was doing. Sometimes it's better to play the sucker role, to catch a sucker. Just don't let them see your hand.[/QUOTE]The visa allowing travel between Haiti and the DR for one year was about US $200 in 2012, so it would have to be shared 5 ways. An illegal crossing at Dajabon, is, I believe, about $80 including motor bikes on both sides, guides, river crossing assistance, and so on. The problem with crossing illegally is that they have several passport checks of all passengers on buses and guaguas between Dajabon and Navarette along the route, so just crossing the border alone is not that useful for most people.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959228]Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.[/QUOTE]First off he had no intent on asking her. I am the one who told him to ask her thinking she would know better and say no. Second this girl is not streetwise in the least, so of course she had genuine compassion. But you have to be wise in where you direct your compassion if you do not want to be used or taken advantage of.

I am talking about my girl from immigration. She does not have to date rich gringos. She has never asked me for anything except to spend time with her. She does not drink or anything. She goes from work to home. It was a stretch getting her to come to the Superbowl party. You see how early she left.

How many times have you or Grown Man given that guy money? I explained to her later that that guy has 6 kids and always procures hookers for guys on the strip. He is young and able-bodied. Why should he be going around with his hand out? After that she understood. I have zero compassion for someone who is not able to feed themselves yet would go around and make 6 extra mouths to feed. This is a picture of the guy in case you haven't figured out who he is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959335]First off he had no intent on asking her. I am the one who told him to ask her thinking she would know better and say no. Second this girl is not streetwise in the least, so of course she had genuine compassion. But you have to be wise in where you direct your compassion if you do not want to be used or taken advantage of.

I am talking about my girl from immigration. She does not have to date rich gringos. She has never asked me for anything except to spend time with her. She does not drink or anything. She goes from work to home. It was a stretch getting her to come to the Superbowl party. You see how early she left.

How many times have you or Grown Man given that guy money? I explained to her later that that guy has 6 kids and always procures hookers for guys on the strip. He is young and able-bodied. Why should he be going around with his hand out? After that she understood. I have zero compassion for someone who is not able to feed themselves yet would go around and make 6 extra mouths to feed. This is a picture of the guy in case you haven't figured out who he is.[/QUOTE]Actually he is harmless and a drug addict. All you have to do is don't engage at all in any conversation with these guys and they will get the message. Then once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. I never burn bridges because believe it or not those guys can be useful. Charlie (The English speaking tout on the strip) did me a favor one time. I needed some white tee shirts and didn't want to pay for a motochoncho to go to Ole down by SDQ airport. So I gave Charlie 50 pesos and had him go to some spot in Andres and he brought the tee shirts to me on the beach. Once he arrived he gave me the 4 pack of new tee shirts in the wrapper and I gave him the 100 peso balance. I know he probably boosted the tee shirts and that's not my business but I wasn't going to waste my time and 250 p for a motochoncho to go down by the airport. Basically you can make them work for you for cheap. Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959346]Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.[/QUOTE]The truth of the matter is that locals take advantage of bullshit egos, all over the world, because it works.

In Sosua, the high fives on the street, the fist pumps and the greatings, and even a hug, is an old game. Even Columbus figured it out :)

From my own experience, the greeting of complete strangers "Hola Senor, my friend, remember me? I missed you, when you come back?" especially if Mr Ego is with someone he wants to impress, works 80% of the time.

Stand around the Eiffel Tower, or the Colliseum, and in 2 minutes flat, you will be offered a fine Italian jacket for 90% off because he has to high tail it to the airport.

Folks who spend too much time analyzing the motivations of beggars, touts and putas, are wasting good money.

Why do beggars target tourists? Why do robbers rob banks? Because that's where the money is! No rocket science, or dark psychological labyrinths required.

Except a reminder that "You can't cheat an honest man", and "life is a mirror it will give you back whatever you put into it".

Remember Sosua has sunshine, the beautiful beaches, beautiful girls, cold drinks and some really nice people, if you hang around with the right crowd!

Oh yeah, I forgot another one, something to do with Birds of a feather.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959228]Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? [/QUOTE]This is why I love effective communication where people can ask for feedback, so clarity can follow. I do not think anybody said they don't like beggars for the reasons you stated. Thats a little simplistic. Whats being brought out by me, is when beggars single out or discriminate who they target. Some mongers have a problem with that, others don't. Enough mongers may not even realize they are being targeted. And if they knew probably wouldn't subject themselves to beggars singling them out.

The other thing that's important to note, is that in enough instances where beggars come at us, they may not even need what they claim, and can get it elsewhere. Its just that in a tourist area where foreigners are filthy rich (perhaps in the locals mind) they probably see us as a resource that needs to be tapped and bled. Mainly because it may be presumed that we don't need it, can do with out it, and they are entitled to what we have.

After all, they are living their lives with less, so why shouldn't they extract anything and everything they can? Think of the mindset of a chica who thinks she's owed money, just because you let her sit down next to you. Or you buy her a beer, and all of a sudden the meter starts running, because this mugg thinks you owe her for her time. Think about this. If a chica sat down with any local guy, sat on his moto to talk, or he bought her a beer, you think she would be looking to get paid from him? Of course not. So why is it perfectly ok for us to be treated differently? Because were foreigners? Because we have more money. Its ok to be exploited because we arent dominican?

If we lose a phone to a local thief, or lose money to a chica, or your hotel is burglarized, I'm reasonably certain that enough locals won't be heartbroken over our loss. Because they know we can replace all of that given the opportunity. I tend to believe locals that come to Sosua daily, see this place as just another type of job. A place ripe with opportunity to make money if you know how and who to hustle. So this issue is a little more important than just not liking beggars because they don't ask locals.

I tend to believe enough foreigners make too many excuses for dominican behavior instead of calling that shit out, and realizing what you are dealing with.

[QUOTE]But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.[/QUOTE]I have been around chicas that gave beggars food and pesos while in my company, or I observed it happening when chicas were with other foreigners. But I don't recall seeing any local males offering their food or pesos to anybody. Maybe I missed those opportunities? But I tend to believe local males don't throw their money away as quickly as females. Especially when they know the beggar has the means to eat or get whatever is they want without them.

The chicas that give to beggars, I do not take them seriously. Most of them are getting paid from some gringo anyway, so it aint no loss. And part of the reason for doing it in a gringos face, is probably for appearances. She demonstrates to the gringo the act of giving, and she might convince him of getting in the habit of helping her people. That just might be in the chica network manual. Chapter XXX How to stimulate the flow of money and resources to your domincan people. .

Chicas do it for their girls on the regular. You ever see a chica having a meal with a gringo, and suddenly she has a chica or two plopping themselves down, sticking their fingers in the mans plate. Old Kool can attest to that. I saw two barracudas come into Rockys one afternoon. They helped themselves to some of his food, and when he protested, one of them busted out with an attitude, talking shit. Like how dare you stop me from eating your fucking food. There was that entitlement attitude. Them acting like that what is yours is theirs to have. And a chica with a guy will facilitate having their friends extract from the gringo. So it's deeper than not liking beggars because they do not ask locals. Its about the mindset behind it.

Just like if we go to a local dominican restaurant for food, and they charge us 150 pesos extra for the same food they would charge a local less. Or a gringo is constantly being billed for shit he didn't consume or ask for. Or when he gets his change, the server intentionally shorts him on his change, but wouldn't do any of that to a local. Or the gringo pays his bill, and the individual will claim you never paid, or you did not give them a certain denomination bill. There are a plethroa of hustles, all designed to fleece the gringo. I think its wise to be consistently aware of how we may be perceived and manipulated by locals, during the course of us fulfilling our fantasies. .

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959346]But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.[/QUOTE]Exactly how does one measure how much thought an individual is putting into this, just from a few message board posts? And since when is this about worrying? If I thought that I had the power to take away from a mongers reasons for coming to the DR simply by my thoughts, I'd stop thinking and possibly posting immediately. I can only think in one head. Nobody is responsible for anybdy else feelings or sensitivities.

I thought about something. Isn't forums like this designed for the purpose of us sharing information and intel so as to help each other? Why would there be a presumption that us mongers sharing information is about taking away from another mongers reason for visiting somewhere? I don't get it?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959590]Exactly how does one measure how much thought an individual is putting into this, just from a few message board posts? And since when is this about worrying? If I thought that I had the power to take away from a mongers reasons for coming to the DR simply by my thoughts, I'd stop thinking and possibly posting immediately. I can only think in one head. Nobody is responsible for anybdy else feelings or sensitivities.[/QUOTE]No sensitivities, another man doesn't dictate my happiness. I don't need the fellowship to feel secure, most times I prefer to roll solo to keep from having other people try to interrupt my fun with some bullshit. In ten years of going to the DR I have never concerned myself with thinking about how a beggar or puta lives. Sure they try to impose but I don't entertain that.

When you go to Disney land do you think about how the employees spend their money? You are over charged for entrada, food and drinks are over priced, and they heard you around like cattle, but you are in fun land so you accept this. Do you ask for the same 25 percent discount the employees get on products? My point is you go to Disney land for the fun rides and to spend money to enjoy the fantasy that is there and to do things you can't do at home. We don't go to Disney to sit in the park and look mean at Minnie Mouse.

We are still waiting for your reports about the good times you are having in Disney land and not really enjoying your complaints about the employees. Plus this is a sex board so maybe a report about getting pussy would be appreciated also.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959346]Actually he is harmless and a drug addict. All you have to do is don't engage at all in any conversation with these guys and they will get the message. Then once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. I never burn bridges because believe it or not those guys can be useful. Charlie (The English speaking tout on the strip) did me a favor one time. I needed some white tee shirts and didn't want to pay for a motochoncho to go to Ole down by SDQ airport. So I gave Charlie 50 pesos and had him go to some spot in Andres and he brought the tee shirts to me on the beach. Once he arrived he gave me the 4 pack of new tee shirts in the wrapper and I gave him the 100 peso balance. I know he probably boosted the tee shirts and that's not my business but I wasn't going to waste my time and 250 p for a motochoncho to go down by the airport. Basically you can make them work for you for cheap. Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.[/QUOTE]I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said "once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".

I don't see any reason to give an individual pesos for giving me my space, or the appearance of them respecting me. My respect to them and giving them space doesn't warrant them giving me any pesos. Respect and space don't cost, it's earned by mutually giving it. I agree with you on not to burn bridges. And what you said makes sense.

Many of those guys can be useful. But the important thing to note, is that the examples you are giving is due to them doing something useful to EARN what you gave. You give beggars and touts money because they give you space and respect is IMO showing them weakness. Why can't they respect me and give me my space without compensation? In the voice of Mr E, LOL "Have you tried it?

I'm not going to get into any habit of giving away my money just because some cat is giving me dap and smiling at me every time they see me. I have no problem giving compensation when they do something for me that I asked for or needed. Same with the police.

I know a lot of cats are caught up in a routine of being expected to give away money to a police officer when he approaches them for money. The assumption is that the officer will help you, in case you get in a jam. I understand how that is supposed to work.

But I thought about it. What is wrong with waiting until I actually need help, and then pay for the help when it is rendered? Same with the beggar / tout. You get caught in a pattern of giving and giving when you never need help, just when does it end? Moreover, suppose the individual isn't available or has no jurisdiction at the time you need him? Payment when a service is performed works just fine. We don't let locals dictate how we choose to manage our money in their regard.

But we do use deductive reasoning in situations where we may have to bite the bullet and give in to overcome a potentially negative outcome.

I think it's important to know and note that not all police officers operate the same. If I were to entertain the idea of having a police officer as my "friend" and protector of my interests, I would choose one that will help me, and allow me to show my gratitude afterwards.

But when it comes to all of those officers expecting to routinely get money when they haven't lifted a finger to help me with a problem? Those types I would avoid. They may be great guys, and helped tons of guys. But I'd much rather be friends with a officer who is not looking for a handout almost every time he sees me.

Those guys may not be helping you because they like you, they may be helping you to protect their investment in you. In other words, they are looking out for themselves. If you stop giving, they might stop liking you. Thats not a good thing. The association I'm talking about, you arent constantly giving him your money, so there is no routine. No reason for him to turn on you.

WRX said"I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".

For me it works the same way a police officer works an informant. The knowledge they can possibly give me in the future or the information that I need is a value that I don't mind forfeiting 50 pesos every trip to keep that connection. These guys are connected to the streets and have some great Intel but you first have to establish their respect for you. Respectfully speaking but those "Bros" info falls in comparison to the info the touts and beggars have. Maybe something as simple as a bad situation that you are entering and that tout giving you a heads-up, whereas that asshole gringo that he doesn't like might be walking into danger. It's on your terms but nothing regular, throwing a bone is how it works in the DR bro. I really hope you change your mentality and understand that if you live in the DR that the relationships you have with Dominicans far outweighs the relationships you have with gringos and bros, Sosua has you insulated. Go to Spanish school, learn Spanish dancing and let the culture open up to you. Keep an open mind, don't analyze everything and take some things as they are Hanging in Sosua with the bros hating on putas, touts, and beggars will get you nowhere unless you want to be known as the mean gringo who nobody likes.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959602]No sensitivities, another man doesn't dictate my happiness.[/QUOTE]I know that's true. But you inferred that another man can take away from your reason for going to the DR? I'm trying to figure out how that is so?

[QUOTE]I don't need the fellowship to feel secure[/QUOTE]When did this become about needing fellowship in feeling secure?

[QUOTE]most times I prefer to roll solo to keep from having other people try to interrupt my fun with some bullshit. In ten years of going to the DR I have never concerned myself with thinking about how a beggar or puta lives. Sure they try to impose but I don't entertain that[/QUOTE]And you have that right. Another monger wishing to discuss or bring up issues you won't, has his right as well. You may want to shoot it down or take pot shots at it. But if you do not want to participate, that's cool, were still cool.

[QUOTE]When you go to Disney land do you think about how the employees spend their money? You are over charged for entrada, food and drinks are over priced, and they heard you around like cattle, but you are in fun land so you accept this. Do you ask for the same 25 percent discount the employees get on products? My point is you go to Disney land for the fun rides and to spend money to enjoy the fantasy that is there and to do things you can't do at home. We don't go to Disney to sit in the park and look mean at Minnie Mouse[/QUOTE]I can appreciate the attempt at the analogy big bro, but as it pertains to this issue, I do not equate locals as employees and the rest of us as customers. We are all customers. Using your example, if you saw a white guy (another customer) about the same age as you, buy a ticket to Disneyland and was charged much less than you, would you use that same premise and just sit there and accept that blatant discrimination? If it was me, I would question why.

Now I realize we do not have the power to regulate how we are discriminated against. But sometimes when you stand up for yourself and let them know you are paying attention, you may be treated more fairly. Shit most of the time we are the ones bringing tons of business to these establishments. The least they can do is just give us the same price. I do not remember the restaurants, but I do remember there were a couple that got caught giving different menus to the locals and the foreigner.

[QUOTE]We are still waiting for your reports about the good times you are having in Disney land and not really enjoying your complaints about the employees. Plus this is a sex board so maybe a report about getting pussy would be appreciated also. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I am only one poster among many. I'm not necessarily posting to just fellowship with any one or to get people to like me. You have tons of registered posters willing and able to supply the board their good times. I've shared good times before, and for the most part the typical clowns took their pot shots at it. You know some of them here.

So I rather stick to what I choose to post. This is a sex forum indeed. And almost everything I post can be traced to getting pussy or not getting pussy on some level. For one, guys might have a lot more working cash flow towards getting pussy when they arent giving their money away unnecessarily, or because they are not paying attention to important details leading up to depleting their resources. It takes all kinds to make this forum what it is. I'm doing my part, my way. Others are free to do the same. In fact there has always been deviations and off topic discussion from several posters, here and elsewhere. And nobody says jack to them about it. If some people got a problem with what I'm posting, I take it that I must be doing something right. FTR, oft times I get PMs from posters offering a thanks, or seeking feedback. Im good with that.