Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1541474]I've also heard rumors about money laundering. Could be true. Could be a story that started because of his ethnicity.

Did you notice today's Stuckman Weekly touted the coyotes claiming they may save the gogo bar business. Or should we start calling them coyote bars? Part of his reasoning is coyotes are more attractive which will be more pleasing to ladies, couples and casual tourists who want to just gawk at the spectacle. I would hardly describe that as saving the business. That would be (is) a new business model, catering to a different market segment. Are there dwindling numbers of mongers shopping in the gogos? In December my hotel room looked down on NEP. It did not look very busy, even on Fridays and Saturdays. If this is the case, might a smaller number of bars follow the old model while other bars will emerge featuring coyotes for customers with no interest in bar fining the ladies?[/QUOTE]This may be one time people may want to thank the overpayers, high rollers, reckless spenders, or just horny bastards carrying a lot of cash and willing to toss it away, because THOSE will be the guys that (initially) help Coyotes transition into working girl status by paying them 5k plus to entice them. As said before, once they get a taste of the big money, few will go back. Now I am not sure what percentage of girls will make the jump, but I believe it will be many. But many will do it in stealth form to keep up the pretense of just being Coyotes to keep face, and then probably add part time working girl work elsewhere.

You might for example be be seeing some future Thermae girls among these new Coyotes.

By the way sometimes Stickman really nails it. This from his Nov 10, 2013 column "If you fancy any of the coyote girls who congregate outside The Arab's bars in Soi Cowboy acting as hello girls, but don't care to go inside due to the cost of drinks (standard drinks are now 200 baht in The Arab bars) and reports of overzeallous security staff, then you may have another option. Strong rumours have it that there will be a flock of girls who once worked for The Arab soon to be found in Nana Plaza as at least one agency reports some girls are refusing to work for The Arab. The same agency has been contacted by a bar group in Nana so put one and one together."

Sure enough not many weeks later you started to see crowds (25 to 30 plus girls) mostly leggy 18 and 19 and 20 year olds or so half way up the Nana Parking Lot late at night (usually 1/2 hour after closing) waiting in line for the agency woman to give them their shift pay (it actually looked like chickens being fed as they were cackling so much). So they definitely need the bahts, that's for certain.

[QUOTE=Friar Tuck; 1541655]Guys!

J.

Regarding regular massage places, business is way down and staff are unusually aggressive, demanding extras. The little sub soi opposite Fortuna Hotel in soi5 is chocka full of massage shops now.

Must credit the Hilary chain of bars for many enjoyable afternoons playing pool to some good sounds and company.

Off to the delights of AC on my next trip mid year, be interesting to compare.

Tuck[/QUOTE]Same at Soil 11 in regard to massage shops.

Entering from Soi 11 (the only entrance in fact) into Villa Market, then leaving the store via the regular exit, you will usually be accosted by dozens of massage girls, some very sleazy, but some quite cute, since the (mandatory and only) exit requires you to run past either 6 plus shops east bound (toward Soil 13) OR the normal way, back to Soi 11 and 6 more shops west bound. Minus a couple of LB's I think in total approx 50 to 60 girls work just in those very small shops, and they get to give their best sales pitch to every Farang that happens to shop at Villa Market..

There is no escape and they all know you probably just overpaid at Villa for your favorite Farang food and therefore have cash.

As for HIllary Clubs, Hillary 3 and Hillary 1 in Nana are fantastic. Other two clubs OK too.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1541676]Same at Soil 11 in regard to massage shops.

Entering the only entrance from Soi 11 into Villa Market, then leaving the store. You will usually be accosted by dozens of massage girls, some very sleazy, but some quite cute, since the (mandatory and only) exit requires you to run past either 6 plus shops east bound (toward Soil 13) OR the normal way, back to Soil 11 and 6 more shops west bound. Minus a couple of LB's I think approx 50 ti 80 women work just in those shops, and they get to give their best sales pitch to Farangs just picking up groceries.

There is no escape and they all know you probably just overpaid at Villa for your Farang food.

As for HIllary Clubs, Hillary 3 and Hillary 1 in Nana are fantastic[/QUOTE]I wish some of these girls were cute! I think due to looks these wimmin are targeting arabs, pakis and indians.

Meant to say Hillary 4 and Hillary 1

So I spotted 132atR4. Very ok face. Very thin. Out of, I'm guessing, over 1, 000 girls spread out at Bacc, R2, 1, and 4 Mr W points out the two thinnest girls of all. LOL. Borderline anorexic type bodies.

While Stickman is certainly an expert on Bangkok, and while I enjoy reading Stickman's columns and he often times "nails it" as I mentioned below on his predictions, among other things I have to disagree him calling Beergarden a "House of Horrors" as he did Nov 17th. 2013 column. You can sometimes find reasonably decent girls in Beer Garden if you go random days, and different times of the day. Its just not accurate to label it a House of Horrors.

[QUOTE=Western787;1541912]While Stickman is certainly an expert on Bangkok, and while I enjoy reading Stickman's columns and he often times "nails it" as I mentioned below on his predictions, among other things I have to disagree him calling Beergarden a "House of Horrors" as he did Nov 17th. 2013 column. You can sometimes find reasonably decent girls in Beer Garden if you go random days, and different times of the day. Its just not accurate to label it a House of Horrors.[/QUOTE]I'm not expert on Beergarden. But I know concepts. Beergarden attracts low quality customers therefore must be full of low quality kind of girls.

[QUOTE=Western787;1541912]While Stickman is certainly an expert on Bangkok, and while I enjoy reading Stickman's columns and he often times "nails it" as I mentioned below on his predictions, among other things I have to disagree him calling Beergarden a "House of Horrors" as he did Nov 17th. 2013 column. You can sometimes find reasonably decent girls in Beer Garden if you go random days, and different times of the day. Its just not accurate to label it a House of Horrors.[/QUOTE]I would agree with Stick on this one, and it is not only the old hags; it is the old alcoholics that hang out there that add to the horror. I have been hitting the BG for over 14 years. It used to be fantastic, but has been going downhill for years. The steepest decline came after the floods. Even my friends who were hardcore BG guys rarely find decent gals in there anymore. Granted, every once in awhile an ok looking gal walks in, but lookers don't become regulars there. But it requires lots of time waiting for that one.

[QUOTE=Marky1;1541599]Stickman hopes to see the bar industry die since he can no longer participate in it. He can barely hide his glee whenever something negative happens in the industry.[/QUOTE]Well said! Completely agree with this comment.

[QUOTE=Hiihii;1541681]I wish some of these girls were cute! I think due to looks these wimmin are targeting arabs, pakis and indians.[/QUOTE]If one doesn't at least occasionally get attacked by a genuine cutie after for example exiting Villa Market on Soi 11, then they are doing something wrong. Maybe they hide in the shops with some guys? Not sure.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1541924]I would agree with Stick on this one, and it is not only the old hags; it is the old alcoholics that hang out there that add to the horror. I have been hitting the BG for over 14 years. It used to be fantastic, but has been going downhill for years. The steepest decline came after the floods. Even my friends who were hardcore BG guys rarely find decent gals in there anymore. Granted, every once in awhile an ok looking gal walks in, but lookers don't become regulars there. But it requires lots of time waiting for that one.[/QUOTE]Ok lets assume Bangkok monger wise has been going downhill for a long time, and in fact few dispute that, but one has to also admit it also started at the top of a very high hill. Second, look around the world, practically every monger destination is getting hit either by the ballbusters and/or NGO's along with their hype up "trafficking' claims" pressuring govt and LE / or just huge price increases. Just a few examples 1. southern China. Donnguuan now a huge LE crackdown 2. Sosua, Dominican Republic, crackdowns combined with business interests who prefer cruise ship tourists over mongers. 3. Angeles City. hard core 3rd world, and aside from various crackdowns, top end girls in venues like Club Atlantis now don't even want to deal with Farangs anymore, preferring Koreans and Japanese. 4. Notable prices and living cost increases in a number of areas. Brazil a few years back and now Burma, which also has the NGO's all over the place. 5. Macau still OK but is always expensive, with, air quality so bad it makes Bangkok look pristine, and not practical given high living costs to either live there or make frequent visits 6. Cambodia has potential over time but infrastructure still poor and prices no longer rock bottom..

Looking around the globe, the trend is not that good.

The point is in that larger context Beergarden in relative terms is still a pretty good place.

It is true, its hard to find hotties unless you hit it the right time, and that can take a lot of visits, and its not like NPL which is free to walk by, so you got to buy a drink each time you visit..

I will take your word for it, but what do you see as the connection between The Floods and Beergarden (among other places) going further down hill?

[QUOTE=Western787; 1541940]The point is in that larger context Beergarden in relative terms is still a pretty good place.

It is true, its hard to find hotties unless you hit it the right time, and that can take a lot of visits, and its not like NPL which is free to walk by, so you got to buy a drink each time you visit.[/QUOTE]You need to know the right times to find a better looker or have patience to hang around.

I have been there several times over the years and was completely underwhelmed by the looks of the girls. Perhaps there may have been the odd one I would consider but those were usually already sitting with some guy, and I don't have the patience to wait and not interested to chat to others that are there.

Suits those guys less fussy about the looks and looking more to the service and price, and who enjoy the social situation, or guys that go in groups.

I could understand would be better for guys that are regulars there and already know some of the better girls.

At Suzie Wong bar I am known by several girls and they will obviously come to me when available. It costs me to buy them drinks but I don't care. Having 2 or 3 semi naked girls to play with is good for me and usually take at lest 2 girls to a room for further sex play. I can understand that BG would be cheaper but I struggle to find appealing girls there and I much prefer to see their asses naked first.

So I think in the end the choice of venues comes down to individual priorities and likes, and what style you are used to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1541949]You need to know the right times to find a better looker or have patience to hang around.

I have been there several times over the years and was completely underwhelmed by the looks of the girls. Perhaps there may have been the odd one I would consider but those were usually already sitting with some guy, and I don't have the patience to wait and not interested to chat to others that are there.

Suits those guys less fussy about the looks and looking more to the service and price, and who enjoy the social situation, or guys that go in groups.[/QUOTE]I've been many times and as always, had a variety of experiences. There are the hardened girls, the party girls, the regular girls who are there every day, and then some girls that happily sit alone and they have been my best.

Usually from out of BKK looking either for a good night or to make some extra money.

For sure there are, and never will be Miss Worlds there (especially as some of the guys look like human detritus) , but there are good times to be had, more so than sexy times.

One girl I once talked to, late 20s early 30s and left with, was happy that I fed her, had drinks with her and provided her with a nice cool bed. She wouldn't take any money. Nice experiences can be found there, if you are happy and relaxed. If in a hurry to get laid with a superstar, its not going to happen.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1541949]I have been there several times over the years and was completely underwhelmed by the looks of the girls.[/QUOTE]Several times? What like 3 or 4 times "over the years"? No wonder you've run across few if any attractive girls.

[QUOTE=Marky1;1541599]Stickman hopes to see the bar industry die since he can no longer participate in it. He can barely hide his glee whenever something negative happens in the industry.[/QUOTE]Why can't Stickman participate in the bar industry? Did something happen? I don't know much about him but I enjoy reading his column. I don't get too worked up about his opinions. It's just one man's point of view.