Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Datebayo;1543708]Is the 'Dream hotel' guest-friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes. Definitely.

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[quote=hiihii; 1543593]stunners? i've seen these, very few are stunners! god did not make that many stunners and i find it hard to believe, a real stunner is going to work for so little money as paid to shopping center pitchwomans.

i wonder if agogo girls avoid eye contact because they don't want unsolicited sexual advances too. lol.[/quote]the money may not be that low, especially if the hiring-vendor has to pull them out of an agency to get the quality and poise he wants. often times they are road show type teams making many visits to many malls on different days, expecially with very large product rollouts. and one show right before chinese new year at terminal 21 and they were introducing some kind of new modeling / beauty magazine or something, and they had 4 girls alternating speaking downstairs in the rotunda (on lower level food court) and each one was flat out drop dead beautiful, absolute stunners by any definition.. and they didn't have to do like a one hour near continuous speech typical of many spokemodels. it was approx 15 minutes each or so and rotating. my guess is they were being paid model level rates.

spokesmodels can vary in looks but i have rarely seen one below 8 level.

no need to wonder on go go's, you stated it correctly but just from a different angle. go go dancers do in fact among other things use the faint (fake) smile brief eye contact method of signaling barfine prospects, but of course 90% of guys would typically be acceptable. the exception being i think japanese who can just pick out any dancer they want to barfine w/ o any contact. another likely exception is when the mamasans (like the aggressive ones in rainbow 1) do the point to customer / then point to dancer / then gyrate their hips thing, generally the dancer is going along, but the problem is one doesn't quite get the vibe independent of the mamasan's sales job, so i think is riskier than normal

[quote=western787;1543784]the money may not be that low, especially if the hiring-vendor has to pull them out of an agency to get the quality and poise he wants. often times they are road show type teams making many visits to many malls on different days, expecially with very large product rollouts. and one show right before chinese new year at terminal 21 and they were introducing some kind of new modeling / beauty magazine or something, and they had 4 girls alternating speaking downstairs in the rotunda (on lower level food court) and each one was flat out drop dead beautiful, absolute stunners by any definition. and they didn't have to do like a one hour near continuous speech typical of many spokemodels. it was approx 15 minutes each or so and rotating. my guess is they were being paid model level rates.[/quote]i remember going back about 10 12 years ago i used to know one of the guinness girls from an irish bar just of sathorn road, the opposite site of patpong. can't even remember the name of the bar now but it's changed names several times since. anyway, she worked about 4 or 5 nights a week, but longs hours and took in 16k a month. that was a lot of money back then so she didn't need to p4p. never did manage to nail her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1543484]Does this sort of thing happen much?

I am walking along Suk Soi 19 late last night. I pass a short semi-dumpy woman with some grey hair, maybe 50 to 60 years old. I'm 57 but probably look about 50.

She says hello in a kurt voice with an Eartha Kit tone. I turn toward her a little expecting her to ask directions to where something is. She just says "2000" (in English) then after a very brief pause (no more than 1 second) , perhaps sensing I'm stunned, says "200 massage". I just continue on my way with no response.

I would not really even consider doing her, if was a freebie, as I am heading back to 35 year old GF who still has a fabulously sexy tight body, and I don't really like true Thai massage at all. I have been far to spoiled, associating with young ladies, even when I have to pay. I could easily do an older lady of 40 to 45 if she was in good shape and still a hottie I guess. This woman was really just far too ordinary. I guess many guys are married to some ordinary woman like this.[/QUOTE]Good God! It must have been a traumatizing experience. OTOH, old frumpy and dumpy women need love too. :-)

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1543763]It is not all relative.

All eyes on Burma now. Hope the scene there it pans out well, it has potential.[/QUOTE]Totally agree! I've been in and out of Thailand for around 8-odd years and I think the quality has gone down hill. Years ago I used to drink / monger around Patpong, a mate used to live nearby so free accommodation, but now I mainly stick to Cowboy. I've noticed that the quality of the girls overall has generally decreased, especially in the past 18 months or so. Still some good lookers around but the average bar girls seems to be getting plumpier every visit.

Can't give you an update on Yangon but I con on Nay Pyi Taw, the capital, which is where I'm now living. Not a thing happening here. Asked one of our drivers if there were any girls at the KTV bar, once I managed to find one, and got a very curt no! He didn't seem impressed that I asked, maybe his sister works there?

On another note, all the political problems have driven down hotel prices, I'm in Bangkok for 1 night at the end of April and got the Hyatt for 4, 600 baht. I know I can get cheaper elsewhere but I'm a platinum member with them and as my flight lands at 8 am they will let me check in early. Got an email from the Westin in Suk advertising rooms starting from 3k as well.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1543801]Good God! It must have been a traumatizing experience. OTOH, old frumpy and dumpy women need love too. :-)[/QUOTE]Probably the old one who used to hang on in Thermae.

As I read the forum today it is amusing to see all the griping about the girls not being as good looking or charging higher prices. Lets put the shoe on the other foot and see if it fits. Twenty years ago many good looking women and young girls out on the street and now only a few. That means you might have been there.!!!Think how they feel."Look, another one of those old guys who were here 20 years ago"." Not as good looking as they were before". ' "Not many to be choosy about going with." "I need the money so I will do it quickly and hopefully with my eyes closed." Complain as we do there is always the side of the story. Just pick what you like and enjoy yourself. Thankfully there are different flavors out there. Your 8 is my 5 and my 6 is your 2. Life will go on, just don't miss the boat

Looks like high season has hit Nana plaza. If mamasans saying they having a hard time recruiting hot girls then there you have it- I'm reporting as I see it! Theres soem NEW very mediocre Rainbow 4 girls-if anyone cares to take a look. LOL.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1543816]As I read the forum today it is amusing to see all the griping about the girls not being as good looking or charging higher prices. Lets put the shoe on the other foot and see if it fits. Twenty years ago many good looking women and young girls out on the street and now only a few. That means you might have been there.!!!Think how they feel."Look, another one of those old guys who were here 20 years ago"." Not as good looking as they were before". ' "Not many to be choosy about going with." "I need the money so I will do it quickly and hopefully with my eyes closed." Complain as we do there is always the side of the story. Just pick what you like and enjoy yourself. Thankfully there are different flavors out there. Your 8 is my 5 and my 6 is your 2. Life will go on, just don't miss the boat[/QUOTE]Well put. About twenty years ago when I was living in Bangkok I used to play golf on Sundays with a bunch of friends. One of these was an older gent who had an affinity for the Toy Bar on Soi Cowboy. So after a round of golf and a bowl of noodles we would head for the Toy Bar. There wasn't much action on a Sunday afternoon and when we got there the bar was empty of clients but full of nubile Siamese girls. Seeing out friend, the first thing they did was lock the door. Next they all took off all their clothes. And the party started. A few years ago I was in Bangkok with a client and after an excellent Vietnamese meal at Le Dalat on soi 23 we walked over to soi Cowboy. The place was jumping and we ordered beers. I was telling my friend about what happened on Sundays in the old days. He seemed skeptical until the mama-san interrupted. She said I was telling the truth and added,"I was one of the girls". She then bought me a drink, my first (and last) from a mama-san.

I've always enjoyed Soi 7's Bier Garten, the [i]potential[/i], the [i]anticipation[/i], though the [i]delivery[/i] can fall a bit short.

Stopped by for a quick drink before a trip across town to pick up a visa. Across the bar, spied a real Beauty. Eye contact, my smile got a BIG smile in return (standard BG SOP) , she sitting and chatting with a gf. Of a quality that she doesn't move: the moths visit the flame, the flame does not visit the moths. Given my imminent departure, didn't bother going over, giving her a smile and shrug as I departed.

2 hours later, visa in hand, contemplated a SOL visit, but with the bright [i]Flame[/i] still in short term memory, decided to revisit the BG. Quick pass, no obvious targets, so stepped outside to give Addicts MP a call. Requested my POC (provider of choice) , but got the dreaded "She on holiday" which can mean anything from her [i]monthly[/i] holiday to she's moved to a different MP and is no longer here but we're not telling anyone. "Have many other ladies, you come, see." Yes they do, but, for an unknown, many other places to see: Bamboo, Mango, Tulip, Annie's...

Decide to go back in to BG, have a drink, and ponder my choices. Take a seat on far wall so clear view of entrance. Turn to my left, and who do I spot: [i]Flame[/i] herself, sitting in the very SAME spot; gf gone but gf's purse still there. Make a note to have my surveillance radar checked; maybe it IS time to always wear my driving glasses. Given she's in the EXACT same spot, I'm thinking business might not be so good. Get the smile, so the moth moves to the flame. Up close, looks just as [i]bright[/i] as from afar. Diamonds can be found in the BG.

Exchange the world-wide wg littany (what's your name?, where you come from?, how long you stay [i]fill in city name here[/i]?) Few other pleasantries. She acknowledges she drinks and waits, the alcohol dulling the boredom. Hey, I'm a gentleman, always willing to help a lady overcome boredom. Bit surprised she says she's 37; some Thai's certainly age well. Beauty AND experience; definitely a sparkler. She then throws me, telling me to point out any girl I want, she knows all, and she'll have her come over. I tell her I [b]AM[/b] talking to the girl I want (I'm a big boy, don't need any intermediaries.) OK, that clarified. I ask if she knows a ST hotel (while, years ago, the Penthouse or the Playboy seemed the BG's wg's hotels of choice, heard one torn down, don't know the status of the other). She gives a BIG smile, saying ST no problem, "I make you happy". Fine, but as Ronnie Reagan said, "Trust but verify". She finishes her beer (good sign) , and my drink is almost finished as well. A few contract details, and we should be out the door...
[list][*]"You buy me beer?" Hmmm, maybe not. Umpire calls [b][i]Strike 1[/i][/b]. For me, the BG is a [u]means[/u] to an end, not the end itself. I don't come here for the stimulating conversation; other [i]stimulations[/i] in mind. I ignore the question; time's a wasting. Seems in BOTH parties' interest to seal the deal and be on our way to take care of the [u]primary[/u] reason to visit the BG; I have other places to be, she can return for the [i]double header[/i].

[*]I provide contract specs: 2 hours, 2 shots; 1 oral, 1 screw. Oops, she tells me she drinks only water and beer. So much for my happiness. Diamond beginning to show its flaws. Starting to wish I had stopped at the SOL first. Umpire calls [b][i]Strike 2[/i][/b].

[*]She specifies her specs: 1 hour, 1 shot (sure whichever [i]comes[/i] first.) With a SOL visit, that might have been an [u]outside[/u] possibility, but... Umpire calls [b][i]Strike 3, you're OUT [/i][/b], diamond turning to coal.

[*]Ever the optimist, she repeats her "You buy me beer? You tell her [the waitress]." I'm busy looking around, trying to catch my reflection; is there really "Stupid" stamped on my forehead? Yes, she's a beauty, and it's only a 100 baht, but looking can be done anywhere; this is Thailand. I give her a simple "my ow kap, chok dee."[/list]It's really amazing to see the wg [i]switch[/i] at work. I INSTANTLY go from an (obvious} low priority target to clutter. No counter offer, no continued marketing; I'm now in the [i]invisible universe[/i]. Her gf returns and they continue their conversation, waiting for other moths to appear. Likewise, I do the same, looking for other [i]flames[/i]

My temporary [i]blindness[/i] from [i]Flame[/i] is starting to recede. Turn to my right, and 2 stools over, what appears to be another flickering [i]flame[/i]; flickering as I'm looking into the window light and eyes trouble adjusting. Gentleman sitting next to her, but she seems [i]unattached[/i]. Eyes meet, get a nice smile. Don't want to step on any toes, so I wait to see if there's a done deal, also allowing my eyes to adjust to the light. Not QUITE as nice a face, but definitely a better body. Nice cleavage, big enough to show there's something there, not padding, yet not big enough to be [i]doctored[/i].

Welcoming smile, so I break out my assembly code and SR1 (shift right 1). She's waiting for a gf who hasn't shown up yet. When? Don't know, she has a client. Even though I know the answer, ask if she's only waiting. No, she too is looking for some [i]business[/i], even with both a coffee and a drink in front of her.

She's more hand's on marketing, feeling my thigh, asking me if I like massage. I answer with the ole "only massage?", and she acknowledges the obvious "and sex". She might not be THE [i]Flame[/i], but certainly a [i]flame[/i], and with a much [u]BETTER[/u] attitude. Gentleman says something to her, then departs.

She too knows a short time hotel, and the proposal of 2 hours, oral shot, massage, sex, pay after, NOT a problem. Asks for 2000; not worth my time to try and lower price. I ask for my bill, and tell the waitress to include hers. Unnecessary, seems it's already been covered. Thanks, Unknown Gentleman.

Me, I kind of miss the seediness of the ole Playboy or Penthouse places, they with their car port curtains. Seems now the ST hotel of choice is the World Inn on Soi 7/1. Given they also sell condoms, no need to stop at Soi 9's 7/11. I'm told the price for a room is 300, but when the adding machine is done, it's 640 baht. I question, but my error is quickly pointed out: it's 300 PER HOUR, and I've requested 2 hours, the additional 40 baht I'll assume is for the condoms. That's another unwelcome difference: at the Playboy or Penthouse, it was 300 for 2 or 3 hours. Modern times, so pay, and up we go.

Decent room for ST; the a/c works :) as does the TV :( both IMMEDIATELY switched on. Don't bother to protest. She readily strips off, and her body is as nice as I'd imagined. The bathroom, unlike the Playboy or Penthouse, has no tub, simply a hose and heater attached to a wall in the corner. Fine for the purposes at hand, but I do miss those old ST hotels (and no sex chair either). I also flashback to Addict massage. They have a much nicer room, especially if you opt for a tub.

Quick shower, she cleaning me in all the right places. Return to the bed, I'm [i]visibly[/i] ready, and before I know, she's got a condom on, with a "now I suck." Oops, MY error; make a mental note to add BBBJ to a proposal. Thing is, a CBJ will take me a LONG time to achieve a [i]goal[/i], but, bless her heart, she works away with a combination of mouth, tongue, and some great visuals. She asks if I want to screw, and that is a possibility as I'm beginning to lose [i]interest[/i], but I decide to take an alternate route to the desired destination: she's legit enough to provide Russian without a problem, though after [i]arriving[/i], she does slightly complain that now she'll have to wash her hair.

Both cleaned up, she starts to watch the Thai soap. I mention "massage?", and she jumps right to work, bringing back memories of certain PRC massages in Dubai. Unfortunately, they aren't good memories, along the lines of 2 minutes back, 2 minutes legs, 1 minute front, and done. I also flashback to last week's Addict's massage: there, at least with my [i]chosen one[/i], BBBJ seemingly to be a given, and, between rounds, a decent massage.

After another 5 minutes, she begins a [i]hand massage[/i], asking me if I will wake up for a 2nd round. 2 DECADES ago, a silly question, but now... I point out we have 2 HOURS, and it's only been 30 minutes. But she continues her efforts, a bit to my amusement. I'm thinking she might have to reset her [i]standard[/i] clock. Like I say, at the MP, the girl really knew how to allocate the time.

But, I'll be damned, her labors are beginning to bear fruit. She seizes the [i]opportunity[/i], and says she'll slip on the other condom. I'm a bit leery, mentioning I'm not fully [i]awake[/i] yet, and, high school lessons BURNED into my brain, know how difficult it is to put on that ONE unrolled condom. DON'T want to have to venture down to the front desk to get another, though, in hindsight, that might have increased my [i]stature[/i] with the staff. Pro that she is, she continues, some more oral, which is defeating HER purpose, but she rolls over on her back, spreading her legs (perhaps not a 180, but very much an obtuse angle, providing a most stimulating view) and gives the time honored call to the hunt, "you f*ck me now".

Number of positions, no complaints from her, and even with the a/c on, am dripping sweat, the intellectual part of my brain knowing that my cardiologist will be pleased with my exercise. Her sound effects fake, but not overly so, subdued enough to be stimulating rather than off-putting. NO "finish now" calls. The intellect recedes, primal forces emerge, and contract complete.

She quickly jumps up, returns from the bathroom with paper to collect the condom, then quickly starts to dress. Hmmm, unlike the MP, no "One more?" flirtatious questions... And unlike the MP, no "shower show" as I'm laying there relaxed in the last 15 minutes.

Fine. Take a look at my watch. WTF? Well, ONE of us needs to readjust their clock; it's just over an hour. I do admire her [i]work[/i], and am a bit amazed, though I will admit, chemicals were involved. Good enough, fits my [i]Cinderella Liberty[/i], and I know better to ask for a refund from the hotel. Just make a mental note to book an hour; if more time required, they can call and send someone up for the next hour's payment.
[list][*]Point: You can still find some gems at the BG.

[*]For a limited time, these days, all prices included, an MP just might be a better bet. Or spend longer on BG negotiations.[/list]
BG still provides some decent [i]entertainment[/i]. No guarantees, but, actually, that's one thing I like about it.

[QUOTE=11Bravo; 1543862]I've always enjoyed Soi 7's Bier Garten, the [i]potential[/i], the [i]anticipation[/i], though the [i]delivery[/i] Can fall a bit short.

Stopped by for a quick drink before a trip across town to pick up a visa. Across the bar, spied a real Beauty. Eye contact, my smile got a BIG smile in return (standard BG SOP) , she sitting and chatting with a gf. Of a quality that she doesn't move: the moths visit the flame, the flame does not visit the moths. Given my imminent departure, didn't bother going over, giving her a smile and shrug as I departed.

2 hours later, visa in hand, contemplated a SOL visit, but with the bright [i]Flame[/i] Still in short term memory, decided to revisit the BG. Quick pass, no obvious targets, so stepped outside to give Addicts MP a call. Requested my POC (provider of choice) , but got the dreaded "She on holiday" which can mean anything from her [i]monthly[/i] Holiday to she's moved to a different MP and is no longer here but we're not telling anyone."Have many other ladies, you come, see." Yes they do, but, for an unknown, many other places to see: Bamboo, Mango, Tulip, Annie's.

Decide to go back in to BG, have a drink, and ponder my choices. Take a seat on far wall so clear view of entrance. Turn to my left, and who do I spot: [i]Flame[/i] Herself, sitting in the very SAME spot; gf gone but gf's purse still there. Make a note to have my surveillance radar checked; maybe it IS time to always wear my driving glasses. Given she's in the EXACT same spot, I'm thinking business might not be so good. Get the smile, so the moth moves to the flame. Up close, looks just as [i]bright[/i] As from afar. Diamonds can be found in the BG.

Exchange the world-wide wg littany (what's your name, where you come from, how long you stay [i]fill in city name here[/i]?) Few other pleasantries. She acknowledges she drinks and waits, the alcohol dulling the boredom. Hey, I'm a gentleman, always willing to help a lady overcome boredom. Bit surprised she says she's 37; some Thai's certainly age well. Beauty AND experience; definitely a sparkler. She then throws me, telling me to point out any girl I want, she knows all, and she'll have her come over. I tell her I [b]AM[/b] Talking to the girl I want (I'm a big boy, don't need any intermediaries.) OK, that clarified. I ask if she knows a ST hotel (while, years ago, the Penthouse or the Playboy seemed the BG's wg's hotels of choice, heard one torn down, don't know the status of the other). She gives a BIG smile, saying ST no problem,"I make you happy". Fine, but as Ronnie Reagan said,"Trust but verify". She finishes her beer (good sign) , and my drink is almost finished as well. A few contract details, and we should be out the door.
[list][*]"You buy me beer?" Hmmm, maybe not. Umpire calls [b][i]Strike 1[/i][/b]. For me, the BG is a [u]means[/u] To an end, not the end itself. I don't come here for the stimulating conversation; other [i]stimulations[/i] In mind. I ignore the question; time's a wasting. Seems in BOTH parties' interest to seal the deal and be on our way to take care of the [u]primary[/u] Reason to visit the BG; I have other places to be, she can return for the [i]double header[/i].
[*]I provide contract specs: 2 hours. 2 shots; 1 oral. 1 screw. Oops, she tells me she drinks only water and beer. So much for my happiness. Diamond beginning to show its flaws. Starting to wish I had stopped at the SOL first. Umpire calls [b][i]Strike 2[/i][/b].
[*]She specifies her specs: 1 hour. 1 shot (sure whichever [i]comes[/i] First.) With a SOL visit, that might have been an [u]outside[/u] Possibility, but. Umpire calls [b][i]Strike 3, you're OUT [/i][/b], diamond turning to coal.
[*]Ever the optimist, she repeats her "You buy me beer? You tell her [the waitress]." I'm busy looking around, trying to catch my reflection; is there really "Stupid" stamped on my forehead? Yes, she's a beauty, and it's only a 100 baht, but looking can be done anywhere; this is Thailand. I give her a simple "my ow kap, chok dee."[/list]
It's really amazing to see the wg [i]switch[/i] At work. I INSTANTLY go from an (obvious} low priority target to clutter. No counter offer, no continued marketing; I'm now in the [i]invisible universe[/i]. Her gf returns and they continue their conversation, waiting for other moths to appear. Likewise, I do the same, looking for other [i]flames[/i][/QUOTE]Far wall? With clear view of entrance? I assume you couldn't mean back wall?. You must mean left side? Extended wall? Beer Garden beauty in her 30"s? And a regular who sits in one place? There are others kind of fitting that description but is this lady slender, very fine facial features, very elegant and stylish? 5-5? Pretty with long dark hair? And slightly exotic? If so, sounds like Miss M, and she mostly sits on left side 3/4th the way down, but will sometimes have you buy wine, so perhaps a different lady. If it is Miss M, IMHO she's looking for a permanent OTC, like with a ring. And seems to somewhat avoid the quick hit types, more into the conversationalist longer term types.

If its someone else, what does she look like?

I've really liked your spin. It tells that no matter how much you know already, you can still present the best of you to any situation, keep looking and keep enjoying whatever can be had.

At times, after having meet some characters similar to the ones in your story, I get to think that is nota big deal and dismiss the story in few lines, if any. That is wrong, any story can be entertraining when narrated properly as you did.

Started at Crazy House before it got too busy. Bought drinks for two girls (friends) who started only this Sat night. One had a cute face (Yui 24) and the other had a cute ass (Noi 2). Neither had the total package. I am enjoying the naked girls with shave pussies showing it all and few girls there have any operations. This bar is getting more and more popular as girls looks are a cut above other bars.

Went to Baccara looking for my buddy. Turns out he had recently left there to go to Rainbow 2. Boy, are the girls in there ugly! I mean relatively plain girls get a nose job, tit job, eye job, jaw job, and cheek job, and supposedly they are now beautiful with light skin. Half of them look similar to the lady boys across the way in Cockatoo. Okay one or two of the lady boys are actually better looking. Makes me think of the good old days 25 years ago when very few girls had any Ops at all.

However I talked to a very non typical Baccara girl working outside. No Ops, small face, brownish skin. Miaow is the name. Eventually go ST with her and she has very smooth skin and a very tight pussy. She comes after barely 3 mins of DATY, and says that not many customers are lick / sucking her out like that. Not sure about a repeat as pussy a bit small for me.

Decide to check out Cowboy 2 coyote bar. Turns out it is the only busy coyote bar and doesn't belong to the "Arab". I guess the others like Deja Vu, Midnight, Rio, Sahara, Spice Girls, all are his bars. Coyote girls at Cowboy 2 can be barfined at 2000 Baht (unlike most Coyote bars). I guess their ST fee is very steep too, possibly asking for 5K to 6K (yow) but I don't know what price is realistic after a negotiation. You can't really negotiate a price if you don't intend to buy. Bought drinks for Cat and Ploy. Lady drinks were 200. One of them previously worked at Deja Vu but said the manager there was a real idiot. In the past I have done girls at Deja Vu and Midnight but not sure if they were Arab bars at the time. I decided not to Spend a lot of money to find out if any were a good fuck at Cowboy 2 since, can get just as good looking girls elsewhere like Crazy House or even Long Gun. A few Cowboy 2 girls had nose jobs or tit jobs. In any case got a nice GF fuck today, so just one P4P girl was enough.

[QUOTE=Kaintuck;1543848]Well put. About twenty years ago when I was living in Bangkok I used to play golf on Sundays with a bunch of friends. One of these was an older gent who had an affinity for the Toy Bar on Soi Cowboy. So after a round of golf and a bowl of noodles we would head for the Toy Bar. There wasn't much action on a Sunday afternoon and when we got there the bar was empty of clients but full of nubile Siamese girls. Seeing out friend, the first thing they did was lock the door. Next they all took off all their clothes. And the party started. A few years ago I was in Bangkok with a client and after an excellent Vietnamese meal at Le Dalat on soi 23 we walked over to soi Cowboy. The place was jumping and we ordered beers. I was telling my friend about what happened on Sundays in the old days. He seemed skeptical until the mama-san interrupted. She said I was telling the truth and added,"I was one of the girls". She then bought me a drink, my first (and last) from a mama-san.[/QUOTE]The Kangaroo bar (Patpong) was a very quiet place at lunch times 20 to 25 years ago. I could go there and molest several girls. They did not seem to be shy about sucking cock, having their pants pulled down and pussy licked and probed in the bar, but for some strange reason wanted to go the back room to actually fuck, even though they would put on fucking shows at night. Could take multiple girls to the back room and fuck them all. The girl working behind the bar as cashier and mixing drinks was available for sex too. I still remember one girl with mammoth natural tits who was like a doll and wasn't very fat at all. Maybe some girls had a boyfriend working as the doorman there and that made them shy to fuck with everyone watching.

Of course fucking in the bar at SOL is quite normal.

I haven't been to Toy Bar more than once, and was a long while ago, but seem to remember there was no charge for BJ and girl groping as long as kept buying them drinks.