Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1543763]It is not all relative. Just walk down lower Sukhumwit (from Soi 3 to Asoke, including Soi 4) and count the number of passable-looking freelancers.

Pattaya is clearly better than Bangkok for mongering since about 2010, whereas before it was a bit of a wash (Bangkok having better looks and wider variety of venues, Pattaya having the sheer numbers and low prices).

You might be right that Bangkok might have world's best mongering scene among large cities, but only because the scene elsewhere started out inferior and is declining at a roughly similar rate.

No place has emerged as a new destination for mongering, and the old places haven't gotten better. Could be various factors, globalization, mobile phones, whatever.

All eyes on Burma now. Hope the scene there it pans out well, it has potential.[/QUOTE]Croc, I'm not qualified to comment on FLs. I mostly go to MPs, take MP girls on overnight outcalls or book escorts. I can find ladies in the MPs whom I'm happy with (maybe I just have low standards - haha); and I find good escorts at very reasonable prices are plentiful in Bangkok, though I think in most cases the MP girls are as good as all but the best escorts, and they're less expensive. I think there is general agreement that there are fewer attractive sex workers in Thailand than 10 years ago.

I agree with your evaluation of Pattaya. If one is only interested in mongering and looking for maximum bang for the buck, Pattaya is better. I prefer Bangkok because of all the other stuff that can be found there.

For a location to have a thriving P4P industry you need a lot of young women with no better alternative than to get paid to fuck men, some of whom may be rude, overweight and smelly. ;) As Billy Kwan said in the [I]Year of Living Dangerously[/I],"Starvation is a powerful aphrodisiac".

When poor women in developing countries start to make a little money they use it to better feed their children; find a better house to live in; look for educational opportunities for their children; and then they start to limit the number of children they have. They quickly figure out fewer children are better. So a global rise in the standard of living and better population control are a monger's worst enemies.

[QUOTE=El Flaco; 1543887]I've really liked your spin. It tells that no matter how much you know already, you can still present the best of you to any situation, keep looking and keep enjoying whatever can be had.

At times, after having meet some characters similar to the ones in your story, I get to think that is nota big deal and dismiss the story in few lines, if any. That is wrong, any story can be entertraining when narrated properly as you did.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Anyone who's been to the Bier Garten has experienced the same, and I figure that most guys know what to do when they get to the hotel, where to put it, etc., so try to provide a bit of color while describing the scene and common happenings.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1543904]Went to Baccara looking for my buddy. Turns out he had recently left there to go to Rainbow 2. Boy, are the girls in there ugly! I mean relatively plain girls get a nose job, tit job, eye job, jaw job, and cheek job, and supposedly they are now beautiful with light skin. Makes me think of the good old days 25 years ago when very few girls had any Ops at all.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I'll take a natural girl over a [i]doctored[/i] one any day. But perhaps only ourselves to blame. If a girl sees a [i]doctored[/i] girl gaining an advantage, might feel also needs surgery to even the playing field...

Gentlemen!

5 pages of political commentary, how about back to the main top of Intl SEX GUIDE.

Here is my 2 cents worth. In town for 2 nights. Friday night scene at the Thermae.

Nice mix of English speaking Farang, French / Italians and wow, an influx of Koreans and lots of Japanese. The JPs looked fairly young and are either working men tourists or perhaps someone that lives here. After all, a Japanese salary man would never be caught dead in a girlie bar in shorts and t-shirt. The young Koreans are mostly lookers and gawkers, shy to talk to the girls and kept to them selves. The Singaporeans seemed the most at ease and understood the game. A few old cynical Thai hands but all contribute to the vibe.

Lots of talent standing around. A few real stunners (9+) with attitudes but a lot of 6-8s that were friendly, chatty and reasonable. The market survey ranged from B1500-2500 (about US$ 50-80). The nice thing about the Thermae, at least based on reputation. No Lady Boys allowed. I've heard it both ways on the post ops, but that's another story.

A lot of girls were there after their day jobs, it seems to be a known spot for the ladies and a chance to catch a diamond in the rough or the occasional surprise for the punter.

Call me dense, but for rental, I'd rather have one that looked good enough but willing to go the extra mile than a drop dead gorgeous star fish.

I found me a pair that seemed to get along. We had a few drinks and agreed that I would settle on a choice. They both knew the game. I was supposed to pick one but just ONE. This kept the game competitive. I made them whisper terms and pricing in my ear, a la "dating game" style. We kept it light fun and non-committal. I then introduced an element that there was a wild card. Another hottie was making eye contact after these two didn't appear to close the trade immediately. I got propositioned on the way to the head by a very skilled almost pro. She wanted 2k. Pass, I was having fun just seeing where the night goes.

Keep in kind, I am no Brad Pitt. Just an average bloke, late 40s early 50s, like 70% of the bar.

Back to the two at the table. One was a 7 with a full back tatoo (not my thing, but man was she flirty and just cute as a button. Like something out of a Japanese anime cartoon) , the other had a very stout stocky body with a booty ass and real nice knockers, she promised unlimited activities even in a short term. Such a hard process to choose.

I guess this is the problem with Thai girls. They are small. So take 2 if you can.

Anyway, they are asking if I want short time or long time. Now, this is where I maybe born at night, but not last night. The usual trap here. Punters dilemma. Say short time and they are setting up with the girl friends for an after hours hunt. Say long time, and they get the inevitable phone call 75 min in with an emergency after you've paid them.

Ahhhhhh, Thailand, the land of smiles or was it scams. (One night in Bangkok going in my head)

I told them I could not make up my mind and was about to call it a night. I gave them each few hundred baht for a thank you cab fare (yes, I know it doesn't cost the locals that much, but hey it's like US$7, bar tip / tea money). They both jumped and asked if I was going with the hottie from across the bar (who wanted to horn in) , I said no, told them they were both so nice and I just not bear the thought of disappointing either one, that said, it was time for the hotel.

They offered to both go for ST at B1500 with an option to extend one girl for LT at 1000 more (2500 LT) Sort of trial to see who was better at my pleasure. So we head to the hotel, both girls are damn near giddy to be chosen. We get to the hotel (Dream, behind Robinsons Dept Store. Very G-friendly, yet discrete, classy and frequented by local Thais on business.). I tip the front desk 100 and ask they keep the girls ID. (It's SOP now, but the desk clerks really take good care with a small incentive)

We get to the room, no mention of money. I ask to put their cell phones with mine in the safe. OK, no hassles. We get to a 3 some vertical soapy scrub. Dream has a big standup glass door shower, no tub! 15 minutes of good scrub and tub, BBBJ from both as a warm up. A little cock on the ass play of the booty butt, the Jap anime is more protective of her ass, she is convinced in the end to allow a little play, just could not convert her to a level service. (Not really intended since there were no condoms in the shower).

Funny thing is the girls would not do lesbian kissing, hard rimming or a-level anal, but pretty much everything else is game. Multiple positions, switch outs, more mouth on cock play, the stocky one got really wet and came. The anime was being a little lazy, so I ate her while the big one was riding cow girl. Damn, I almost got them to kiss when they were sucking my fingers. The anime is hot now, so I started to fuck her hard. Pulled her legs up around her shoulders, she starts to fake moan. I fold her over on the side and pound the flesh. The fake moaning stops and she's holding her voice almost a weird grunt. I pound harder and harder. She let's out a deep groan and pulls the pillow over her head. The groans continue and she's screams a muffled, finish now, finish now. The other one rolls over, spread eagle and says do me, finish inside me. (Oh, I forgot to tell, I promised a B1000 bonus to the one that gets me to cum, trying to keep the game interesting). I roll the anime over on her knees, pound to almost and take it out. She looks over and it's like WTF? I am trying to get the stocky one on her knees to do both in simultaneous doggie style in a back and forth.

The anime has other ideas, she strips off the condom and starts to suck my rod. Damn, it took all my control not to just unload it then and there. The stocky one jumps up and starts tongue on nipple action then pushes the anime out of the way for some hard ball sucking and hand on shaft drive. The anime sticks her tongue on the tip of my cock and both are working hard. I roll over and hold both girls tightly, then proceed to shoot my load on both their faces. A little extra conditioner for the beautiful black hairs on their heads.

They wipe, we rest and cuddle, it's now 2:15 into the session. The girls want to know who will be kept LT, I keep the suspense on until a about of consciousness tells me a.) I really need some sleep. B.) they need to go on and do what they do at almost 3am.

Called down stairs after giving back their phones.

In the end, I give them both B2500, the shooter bonus + ST, they already has B200 can fare and parted a pair of happy hookers!

I figured it was comparable to Eden with a pair of semi-pros. Good change of pace.

Just a comment on cosmetic enhancements. Met a lovely gal in Thermae when visiting Bangkok about 9 months ago. Attractive face and knockout natural body from Issan in early 20s. Not GFE (no kissing, cuddling) My only complaint is she has no interest in LT although I keep on offering. Saw her again 2 days ago and still looking great. She insists that she needs to make her nose bigger like westerners and claims to be saving for surgery. She has a lovely short nose that many western girls would love to have. IMO She should be spending for English lessons (or maybe to fix her teeth although not that bad to me) if she wants to be a better companion or to get a non-p4p career.

Women are, in some ways, the same the world over.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1543872]Far wall? With clear view of entrance? I assume you couldn't mean back wall. You must mean left side? Extended wall? Beer Garden beauty in her 30"s? And a regular who sits in one place? There are others kind of fitting that description but is this lady slender, very fine facial features, very elegant and stylish? 5-5? Pretty with long dark hair? And slightly exotic? If so, sounds like Miss M, and she mostly sits on left side 3/4th the way down, but will sometimes have you buy wine, so perhaps a different lady. If it is Miss M, IMHO she's looking for a permanent OTC, like with a ring. And seems to somewhat avoid the quick hit types, more into the conversationalist longer term types.

If its someone else, what does she look like?[/QUOTE]Maybe the same, maybe "same same but different". Thai looks, done to perfection, in my eyes anyway.
[list][*]Far wall. The long side of the bar, wall closest to Sukhumvit, parallel to it.
[*]Certainly slender.
[*]Very fine facial features, great complexion, or else she's an expert at applying makeup as it's not obvious. Would not call her exactly exotic, more a fine example of Thai looks.
[*]Elegant and stylish, yes, without overdoing. Plain white blouse can look elegant on the right form. Could easily cross any hotel lobby, drawing looks for all the RIGHT reasons, without being obvious for her reason for being there.
[*]Can't comment on height as didn't see her standing, nor stretched out, only sitting on a bar stool. :(
[*]Below the shoulder hair, along the standard Thai style, serving VERY nicely to frame the face.
[*]Sitting 3/4 of way down, towards Foodland end, inside the main bar area, not on the cashier's side.
[*]At least on this day, definitely drinking beer. After I declined to provide additional liquid refreshments, at least those served by the bar, she ordered another round of beer for she and her gf, I being cautious enough to make sure it went on their tab, not mine (it did).
[*]The English didn't come across as that great, but perhaps that was only the free [i]sample[/i], better quality requiring a paid liquid entrance fee.
[*]While she did say she had no boyfriend (which I found hard to believe) , what else was she going to say? Permanent support perhaps her desired goal, after all, time is a-wasting, I just got the impression that, being the BG cream, she was looking for like in a [i]business[/i] partner.
[*]I caught the name as not quite "On", more an "Un".[/list]
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1543909]Great report.

She might have her "terms and conditions" but it seems that at her terms she is not putting together much business.

Is maybe a punter a day (1000b.) sufficient for her finance? And spend the rest of the day chatting with friends hoping some moth pays her the drinks to keep her seat at BG? With the remote possibility of scoring another quickie and double the earnings?

Is she having a cut from the girls she pimps (well. Pimping is an overstatement in BG, there is no need of a pimp there, and 95% of the punters are well experienced ones who knows the game)?[/QUOTE]Thanks. Oh, I'm sure she's doing quite well, not exactly enthused with a small fish, simply biding her time to hook the one big one for the day. While she was willing to go for a quick ST for a quick score, I got the impression she was looking more for an evening's entertainment, though perhaps not a full night's one, with not all of said entertainment taking place in a hotel room.

I think a 1000 baht offer would only suffice to draw a look of [u]SCORN[/u], with the offer of "any girl" more a way to divert the actual [i]business[/i] end to "anyone but her". I'm sure I didn't fit her desired profile of a "not old" guy, or at least an elegantly dressed one. But a QUICK 2k for QUICK, [u]minimal[/u] work, why not?

To quote fellow member Sporadic, with some, it IS worth the price to see her hanging off your 'nard, but, in this case, I knew that after, I'd just be disappointed. While she would get me to the desired [i]destination[/i], it would be a [u]direct[/u], non-scenic [i]route[/i].

[QUOTE=Western787;1543775]I heard not many years ago when the Nana Go Go's closed each night, many of the girls would just move to Nana Parking Lot. Plus Soi 4 itself would have much larger crowds for example at 2 to 3 AM than now, even filling up the Nana Hotel restaurant late at night. Have you heard of that?[/QUOTE]On a recent pass of Nana car park, the. Numbers of girls was much lower than say 2008, ignoring the LBs, but standard of looks impressed me more than I ever saw before. I thought some were doable. Years ago I would always struggle to find anything although possible I was there at wrong time for best girls. Another possibility is business is down and more of the better lookers still available.

[QUOTE=11Bravo; 1543993]Maybe the same, maybe "same same but different". Thai looks, done to perfection, in my eyes anyway.
[list][*]Far wall. The long side of the bar, wall closest to Sukhumvit, parallel to it.
[*]Certainly slender.
[*]Very fine facial features, great complexion, or else she's an expert at applying makeup as it's not obvious. Would not call her exactly exotic, more a fine example of Thai looks.
[*]Elegant and stylish, yes, without overdoing. Plain white blouse can look elegant on the right form. Could easily cross any hotel lobby, drawing looks for all the RIGHT reasons, without being obvious for her reason for being there.
[*]Can't comment on height as didn't see her standing, nor stretched out, only sitting on a bar stool. .
[*]Below the shoulder hair, along the standard Thai style, serving VERY nicely to frame the face.
[*]Sitting 3/4 of way down, towards Foodland end, inside the main bar area, not on the cashier's side.
[*]At least on this day, definitely drinking beer. After I declined to provide additional liquid refreshments, at least those served by the bar, she ordered another round of beer for she and her gf, I being cautious enough to make sure it went on their tab, not mine (it did).
[*]The English didn't come across as that great, but perhaps that was only the free [i]sample[/i], better quality requiring a paid liquid entrance fee.
[*]While she did say she had no boyfriend (which I found hard to believe) , what else was she going to say? Permanent support perhaps her desired goal, after all, time is a-wasting, I just got the impression that, being the BG cream, she was looking for like in a [i]business[/i] Partner.
[*]I caught the name as not quite "On", more an "Un".[/list]
[/QUOTE]Although the seating location is correct, I think I have a different lady "Mo" in mind. Even if she were seated, after just a quick glance most people would conclude she's on the tall side (actual height 5-5).

Beer Garden by keeping the music volume low (with a pretty good selection of pop songs also) is setup quite well for conversation. Even aside from the takeout issue, just the in-"club" experience can be very entertaining. One only need a pulse + a few bahts, as low as 50 to 60 bahts for a drink and you get among other things 1. Girls smiling at you 2. Girls pretending they are happy to see you 3. Sometimes sending signals from across the room. 4. All sorts of winks and nods and pointing. All with none of the ladydrink pressure of regular bar girls. Note even though its a pickup place, sometimes you can go hours and barely notice any guy walking out the door with a girl. Now that can sometimes be a quality issue, but other times its obvious customers either don't have the bahts or just want to hang and enjoy the experience. I've noticed many times reasonably hot girls just getting discouraged and walking out after an hour or two, when no fish are biting.

[QUOTE=Western787;1543775]I heard not many years ago when the Nana Go Go's closed each night, many of the girls would just move to Nana Parking Lot. Plus Soi 4 itself would have much larger crowds for example at 2 to 3 AM than now, even filling up the Nana Hotel restaurant late at night. Have you heard of that?[/QUOTE]On a recent pass of Nana car park, the. Numbers of girls was much lower than say 2008, ignoring the LBs, but standard of looks impressed me more than I ever saw before. I thought some were doable. Years ago I would always struggle to find anything although possible I was there at wrong time for best girls. Another possibility is business is down and more of the better lookers still available.

Chemistry can make a huge difference with bargirls.

Suzie Wong was very quiet last night. Bow, Dtom, Knot, Noi, Anne available and even the stunner Nu Dee. Nu Dee came to sit with me first and I could sense immediately that the chemistry was different. She actually wanted to kiss me. I had taken her before but the performance on the bed was lacklustre. She did not like me for some reason at the time. Because I normally took 2 girls, or because some other girl had warned her about me? Now she was acting very different and playing up to me. We did not negotiate a price.

So took her for a short time, and sure enough, her performance was really quite excellent this time, even if could not take that much in the BBBJ. Very good GFE and very enjoyable fuck in several positions. She admitted that she now knew I was a "good guy" customer, perhaps different to what she first thought.

Another girl in the bar,"Knot" has been reported to be crap by others, but is always enthusiastic and passionate with me. So the lesson is, if you want a good performance, make the girl have fun, be relaxed, and like you.

Interviewing the girl at length about what she will do, and the price is not something I do. I don't believe it will set the right mood. Having the right chemistry can be everything.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1543763]I have never heard anyone who's been around that things are more or less the same or better in agogos compared to 5 or 10 years ago. The managers are very loud in whining how recruiting even middling-looking girls is difficult now.[/QUOTE]The looks of girls in the bars have not changed that much. If I look back to photos of girls I took years ago, they were no prettier than what I get now. Its just I was less fussy back then, so girls seemed very pretty compared to back home.

Walked around Chatuchak weekend market yesterday and only spotted 4 or 5 natural real stunning girls. I just so much more fussy than 20 years ago.

Okay Some degradation in looks due to stuff like nose jobs.

Crazy House is able to recruit good looking girls and has new girls starting every day. They simply pay above the average rates. This bar is getting very busy. 2nd floor is opening up most nights now. Doesn't mean all the girls perform though. There are some very nice sweet girls there and some horrors (be*ches).

I think what has changed is girls can be much more mercenary and less having good fun oriented than 20 years ago. Performance of the girls has probably suffered. You have to choose very carefully these days and check the chemistry. Oilies and Soapies seem may have more crap girls for performance than years ago.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1544005]Although the seating location is correct, I think I have a different lady "Mo" in mind. Even if she were seated, after just a quick glance most people would conclude she's on the tall side (actual height 5-5).

Beer Garden by keeping the music volume low (with a pretty good selection of pop songs also) is setup quite well for conversation. Even aside from the takeout issue, just the in-"club" experience can be very entertaining. One only need a pulse + a few bahts, as low as 50 to 60 bahts for a drink and you get among other things 1. Girls smiling at you 2. Girls pretending they are happy to see you 3. Sometimes sending signals from across the room. 4. All sorts of winks and nods and pointing. All with none of the ladydrink pressure of regular bar girls. Note even though its a pickup place, sometimes you can go hours and barely notice any guy walking out the door with a girl. Now that can sometimes be a quality issue, but other times its obvious customers either don't have the bahts or just want to hang and enjoy the experience. I've noticed many times reasonably hot girls just getting discouraged and walking out after an hour or two, when no fish are biting.[/QUOTE]Agree on both points:[list][*]sounds like a different lady.
[*]I always enjoy the bier garten, nice place to pass an hour or two in the afternoon, having a couple of drinks (though the price of a lime juice is up to 75 baht, almost double of Foodland) , just watching the [i]circus[/i], and, on occasion, if someone compelling, off you go.[/list]

[QUOTE=Jungle_Bunny; 1543983]Gentlemen!

5 pages of political commentary, how about back to the main top of Intl SEX GUIDE.

Here is my 2 cents worth. In town for 2 nights. Friday night scene at the Thermae.[/QUOTE]Its such a shame the previous posters haven't bothered to recognise this fantastic report! I love that you made it into a competition, and it seems you were well rewarded.

Bravo, keep on posting!

After the [u]disappointment[/u] of the Rose

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2493-Bangkok-Places-to-AVOID!&p=1544043&viewfull=1#post1544043[/url]

stopped by the Kangaroo. Weekday, 3PM. No carny barker at the bottom of the stairs. Bar deserted except for mamasan and 1 thin provider. Offered the bar's [i]speciality[/i], but declined, she having no attraction for me, simply settling for a beer and the a/c. Appreciated that after my initial declination, not bothered anymore.

During my 15 minute stay, taking refuge from the day's heat, another worker arrived, about equally spaced on the [u]opposite[/u] side of average as the thin provider was on the other. She also attempted to elict some business, but no attraction for me, and again, once declined, did not bother further. I'm sure the 2 talked about the idiot falang who didn't seem to understand the bar's raison d'être.

While the bar's owners should appreciate the attempted upsell of the "back room", as the ONLY customer in the bar, if I was to partake, I wouldn't have appreciated the additional cost. Just points out the WINNING formula at the SOL: no extra charge for the room, and if occupied, or the customer uninterested, girls not shy about taking care of business in the bar itself.

Given the hour, can't say I was crushed, but, unlike previous years where even mid-afternoon, there was a selection of [i]servers[/i], seems these days, the decline in [i]server[/i] numbers apparent. Seems like only the SOL has withstood the decline.

[QUOTE=Jungle_Bunny;1543983]Market report Thermae[/QUOTE]Great FR, well done and well played. Salute.

[QUOTE=JungleBunny]Anyway, they are asking if I want short time or long time. Now, this is where I maybe born at night, but not last night. The usual trap here. Punters dilemma. Say short time and they are setting up with the girl friends for an after hours hunt. Say long time, and they get the inevitable phone call 75 min in with an emergency after you've paid them.[/QUOTE]There is no problem. You only pay at the end. You discuss the duration. If they have to leave early, you simply pay less.

The inevitable phone call 75 mins in is very rare in my experience, but occasionally happens girl is in a rush due to another appointment.

The most common problem is that my idea of LT is 8 hours where some girls think it is 4 hours. 4 hours is no use to me at all. Some girls need to leave by 5am. This needs to be checked first.