FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=WaterMeltingg;2767876]Most of the girls in sharks are not worth 100 Euros, what they are currently demanding. Problem is not everyone negotiates hard with girls. They always find a few clients, who would pay them higher prices. If we all mongers draw a hard line on 50 Euros, prices would definitely come down. But that seems impossible.

BTW if you just want to have a quick fun in 50 Euros. RLD is also an option. They offer 20 min of fun. Some of the girls provide decent service in that price range. Again it's a hit or miss. You can also save on entry fees of club. Of course, the ambience is not the same and you can't pick girls while sitting on the couch and enjoying a beer. Sometimes I prefer going to FKK clubs, just for eating and watching naked beauties. I will take sauna 3 or 4 times. And some beers. Girls are pissed off with this kind of guests, who don't go to room at all. Who cares.[/QUOTE]I agree most = 95% of Sharks girls don t worth 100 per 30 minutes for their look or level in bed. Again slow business on this Saturday evening like on previous, many girls waiting, when they are not able to understand many guys can t afford anymore their too expensive rate, as I explained my wow discovery. Fortunately for some girls, few Asians before turkish night at 2 am with almost no more business else than bottles and asking for 50 for 10 minutes with hard fucking to finish fast.

[QUOTE=WaterMeltingg;2767876]Most of the girls in sharks are not worth 100 Euros, what they are currently demanding. Problem is not everyone negotiates hard with girls. They always find a few clients, who would pay them higher prices. If we all mongers draw a hard line on 50 Euros, prices would definitely come down. But that seems impossible.....[/QUOTE]From my research the problem seems to be that it is not just a few men paying 100/30, it seems that that is the norm now. Now when a girl is accustomed getting 100/30 what sort of service do you think she'll give for 50/30? Not service that I'll want. Unfortunately that appears to be the reality on the ground now.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2768043]From my research the problem seems to be that it is not just a few men paying 100/30, it seems that that is the norm now. Now when a girl is accustomed getting 100/30 what sort of service do you think she'll give for 50/30? Not service that I'll want. Unfortunately that appears to be the reality on the ground now.[/QUOTE]And it all started with that damn condom law and these greedy tutes recognizing that they could leverage that to get more money! Another 20 euros maybe OK, but a 100% increase for a 30 minute session is just highway robbery! The only way to stop it is to not pay it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2768043]From my research the problem seems to be that it is not just a few men paying 100/30, it seems that that is the norm now. Now when a girl is accustomed getting 100/30 what sort of service do you think she'll give for 50/30? Not service that I'll want. Unfortunately that appears to be the reality on the ground now.[/QUOTE]But fact seen when visiting is big quantity of girls but slow business, even for prettiest, Melissa not busy on this Saturday evening, Katalea needed to hunt on previous, fortunately for Kity, Asians. Seen on 2 last saturdays.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2768079]And it all started with that damn condom law and these greedy tutes recognizing that they could leverage that to get more money! Another 20 euros maybe OK, but a 100% increase for a 30 minute session is just highway robbery! The only way to stop it is to not pay it.[/QUOTE]If tourists behaved like locals prices would go down.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2768079]And it all started with that damn condom law and these greedy tutes recognizing that they could leverage that to get more money! Another 20 euros maybe OK, but a 100% increase for a 30 minute session is just highway robbery! The only way to stop it is to not pay it.[/QUOTE]Most don't know that the 2017 law, in addition to "requiring" condoms, also eliminated price controls by the clubs. Before the law the clubs could regulate the prices (ex. All basic service with BBBJ + CFS) was 50 Euro for 30 minutes. But now the clubs can't do that, so they "recommend" the girls charge a certain amount. But the feminists working in the fem-nazi consulting offices tell these working girls they can charge whatever they want! Oh and they don't have to be naked if they are uncomfortable with it. That's why I see more and more clubs (ex. FKK Oceans, Prime) with girls wearing street clothes, while I'm sitting around like a ******* wearing a bathrobe.

I remember back in the day, and not too long before COVID, FKK Palace and a few other clubs had laminated 8 x11 cards with pictures and prices for all the foreigners who didn't speak English or German. So when you arrived and were asked if you had been there before and you said no "it's my first time" the girl behind the register showed you this picture card.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2768161]If tourists behaved like locals prices would go down.[/QUOTE]Don't blame tourists. Almost all the locals in the club now pay the new price and MANY of them even pay a much higher exaggerating price to their regular loving girl. Those who don't want to pay that much just don't go to room or don't come to the club anymore.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2768179]Most don't know that the 2017 law, in addition to "requiring" condoms, also eliminated price controls by the clubs. Before the law the clubs could regulate the prices (ex. All basic service with BBBJ + CFS) was 50 Euro for 30 minutes. But now the clubs can't do that, so they "recommend" the girls charge a certain amount. But the feminists working in the fem-nazi consulting offices tell these working girls they can charge whatever they want! Oh and they don't have to be naked if they are uncomfortable with it. That's why I see more and more clubs (ex. FKK Oceans, Prime) with girls wearing street clothes, while I'm sitting around like a ******* wearing a bathrobe.

I remember back in the day, and not too long before COVID, FKK Palace and a few other clubs had laminated 8 x11 cards with pictures and prices for all the foreigners who didn't speak English or German. So when you arrived and were asked if you had been there before and you said no "it's my first time" the girl behind the register showed you this picture card.[/QUOTE]Make Germany Great Again.

[QUOTE=PonyBoy;2768193]Don't blame tourists. Almost all the locals in the club now pay the new price and MANY of them even pay a much higher exaggerating price to their regular loving girl. Those who don't want to pay that much just don't go to room or don't come to the club anymore.[/QUOTE]I can afford to pay 100/30 or 200/60 or even a more exaggerated price but I believe in paying (for whatever item) a fair amount. I never travel first class because I believe the cost to be too high for what is being offered compared to the experience and cost of economy. Same with girls; from my experience some FKK girls are worth 100/50 but not all. Also the increase from 50 to 100 is too much. If the current price was 75/30 or 150/60 I would indulge but I am uncomfortable paying 100/30 or 200/60.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2768303]I can afford to pay 100/30 or 200/60 or even a more exaggerated price but I believe in paying (for whatever item) a fair amount. I never travel first class because I believe the cost to be too high for what is being offered compared to the experience and cost of economy. Same with girls; from my experience some FKK girls are worth 100/50 but not all. Also the increase from 50 to 100 is too much. If the current price was 75/30 or 150/60 I would indulge but I am uncomfortable paying 100/30 or 200/60.[/QUOTE]I won t pay even only 50 for most Sharks girls, but I found 2 who really did worth 200/ +60 when they are on higher level for look and GFE than my girls at Globe on 2022 . When I was not educated in a kolkhoze, even I love Russia but hate Putin, all girls don t worth same rate for me. GFE elegant natural beauties will always be less expensive for me than average looks. Mostly average looks at Sharks, but I found 1 high level and 2 wow level on few last weeks. Improving.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2768179]Most don't know that the 2017 law, in addition to "requiring" condoms, also eliminated price controls by the clubs. Before the law the clubs could regulate the prices (ex. All basic service with BBBJ + CFS) was 50 Euro for 30 minutes. But now the clubs can't do that, so they "recommend" the girls charge a certain amount. But the feminists working in the fem-nazi consulting offices tell these working girls they can charge whatever they want! Oh and they don't have to be naked if they are uncomfortable with it. That's why I see more and more clubs (ex. FKK Oceans, Prime) with girls wearing street clothes, while I'm sitting around like a ******* wearing a bathrobe.

I remember back in the day, and not too long before COVID, FKK Palace and a few other clubs had laminated 8 x11 cards with pictures and prices for all the foreigners who didn't speak English or German. So when you arrived and were asked if you had been there before and you said no "it's my first time" the girl behind the register showed you this picture card.[/QUOTE]On 2021 at Sharks, I had many GFE with real FK and DATY, BBBJ, 1 hour rooms and on this Sunday for 150/80 at Mainhattan with my best 2021 Sharks girl. But on 2021 , almost no Asians nor US. 2022 is much more expensive, so I only go for high quality for look and GFE. After law, I still got FK, DATY and BBBJ very standard in Germany. Many too expensive for their value girls have slow business now at Sharks, but they prefer to wait sitting. I advice Alina, Sabina, Roxana, Roxy and of course Sena sitting on left of stairs to jacuzzis.

[QUOTE=PonyBoy;2768193]Don't blame tourists. Almost all the locals in the club now pay the new price and MANY of them even pay a much higher exaggerating price to their regular loving girl. Those who don't want to pay that much just don't go to room or don't come to the club anymore.[/QUOTE]I m also surprised Germans pay so expensive for some very average looks, not at all supermodels. On the other hand, Turkish ask for 50/10 when they want to finish like rabbits. Matter of culture about sexuality.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2768161]If tourists behaved like locals prices would go down.[/QUOTE]I would agree with this statement if there was busloads of tourists arriving like they were pre-pandemic.

The problem is mongers (local, fly-in, drive-in) who put the WG on a pedestal and obsess over her, serial repeating her at the higher rate. Just because she is a 10-optic, does not mean she should automatically earn thousands of EUR off of you. She should earn it by developing the customer relationship over time. Some of the mongers would probably miss being by their own mother's deathbed just so they could race to the club to see the beauty that they just met a week ago. Not only that, said monger would probably even tell the WG that they left their own mother's deathbed to prove their "devotion" to her. That is the lack of social awareness (he probably thinks of this as the most romantic gesture ever, she thinks he is a SIMP and someone she can easily wrap around her finger).

If you attend regularly and you have the deep pockets, then you are the prize, stop making the girl the prize. Even if regulars want to try a girl one time for 200/60, no problem. Get that top optic out of your system. But stand your ground to negotiate a better deal next time. Or at least 200 for first hour, 100 for each subsequent hour. If she really values as a good client or "amazing lover" or whatever else you wish to believe, she wouldn't be extorting you for higher than the standard rate.

WGs will blacklist for other reasons (and often that is only temporary). WGs usually will not blacklist over price negotiation. Ofc, there is a difference between negotiating a ten minute room for 30 EUR, and say a 6 hour room for 600 EUR. The former may actually get you blacklisted, the latter connotes you are willing to spend, if the terms of the deal are to your favor. Looking "cheap" is not a concern to me with a 20 yo WG I just met. She can tell all her friends for all I care. WGs know that a customer can be cheap with some WGs and quite giving to others. I have seen it myself.

Note this does not apply to non-regulars. Some tourists come 3-4 days per year. I also know a married local, but he only attends when his wife is out-of-town. For these guys who are limited on time, it makes more sense to overpay just to ensure they have a good time. These types of mongers would never waste their time reading a monger forum!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2768345]On 2021 at Sharks, I had many GFE with real FK and DATY, BBBJ, 1 hour rooms and on this Sunday for 150/80 at Mainhattan with my best 2021 Sharks girl. But on 2021 , almost no Asians nor US. 2022 is much more expensive, so I only go for high quality for look and GFE. After law, I still got FK, DATY and BBBJ very standard in Germany. Many too expensive for their value girls have slow business now at Sharks, but they prefer to wait sitting. I advice Alina, Sabina, Roxana, Roxy and of course Sena sitting on left of stairs to jacuzzis.[/QUOTE]My many GFE 1 hour rooms for 100/60 on 2021, only paying 150/60 for Katalea when she was fresh. On 2022, I prefer to pay 200/60 or a bit longer for wow looks and GFE rather than 100/30 for average looks not kissing. Quality worth more expensive for me, when I hate to waste for average.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2768259]Make Germany Great Again.[/QUOTE]They are really down for manschaft with so slow bad Rudiger, so far below Karl Heinz Forster or Schwarzenbeck. But Germany is still great playfield to find wow girls and to play on autobahns of course.