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Thanks Hicotane and Hillbilly, but I was really looking for was a virtual Colombian number that can send and receive texts, as my prepaid Colombian Movistar isn't working now in Europe.
[QUOTE=Hioctane;1151126]With RL, you can send text but not receive. You do have to be a paid member though. You can also check out heywire. They have free apps for iPhone and Android that can text for free.[/QUOTE]
Some funny shit in this thread! LOL
[QUOTE=Cyberdas;1150809]I have been saying this for some time. That there are two sets of rules "non-pro" chicas in Colombia (and other L. A. Countries as well) apply: a) those that apply to the locals and be) those that apply to all the other dumb-asses (foreigners) that visit and even live there. Sad but true. And I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this board, au contraire, it's just to somewhat reinforce what Bango Cheito has said. I'm sure most of you know this already, but the girls there put out to local men with less hassles, costs, and be. S. Than they would for us out-of-towners. It's really amazing to see how badly local men can threat them as they don't given them any $$, they don't buy them jack sh*t, they could care less for them, bang them without protection and then bang other girls in the same manner as well. All this while knowing what time it is with them and yet, still falling for them each time. Guys there drink and party like drunken sailors and could give a rat's ass about them. While we sensitive, gentlemen, considerate,"Americanized" men threat them in opposite manners only to get the shaft at the end.[/QUOTE]I'm American and my experience is the same as you describe for locals. The two or three times that women brought up anything about money or thinking I was going to spend a lot of money for whatever reason I have cut them off at the root. But it is the same for me where ever I am. As people have said before on this forum, if you don't have a way with women at home, then you shouldn't expect to have it in foreign lands. Unless you are confusing it with someone who is just trying to use you.
I don't stay at Dann Carlton or the Marriott; I don't eat at nice restaurants; hell, I do not even take taxis if I do not have to. When I am with a girl we are on the bus, going to the mall food court, going to the movies, or cooking at home. I'm not doing anything with her or showing her anything that she could not have done with the average local guy. And they are happy with just spending time with me. If they bring up something that costs more than I am willing to pay then I say,"I am not rich baby," and they understand.
A lot of times a guy may run into problems when they start out by throwing money around. And it is apparent from the prices some guys pay for P4P. I personally have never paid more than 50K pesos for P4P in Colombia and my P4P there is very limited due to the time I spend with non-pros. How could guys possibly believe they would spend more with a non-pro there? Colombia is very economical. That is one of the reasons I like it so much.
Of course I don't buy girls anything either. What would I need to buy them? Why would I need to buy them anything? I am not their father. I have my own daughter to provide for. If I give them anything then it is usually a t-shirt or key chain from someplace I have been or a coffee mug from Walmart with my city on it. And again, they are happy with that.
[QUOTE=Cyberdas;1150809]I have been saying this for some time. That there are two sets of rules "non-pro" chicas in Colombia (and other L. A. Countries as well) apply: a) those that apply to the locals and be) those that apply to all the other dumb-asses (foreigners) that visit and even live there. Sad but true. And I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this board, au contraire, it's just to somewhat reinforce what Bango Cheito has said. I'm sure most of you know this already, but the girls there put out to local men with less hassles, costs, and be. S. Than they would for us out-of-towners. It's really amazing to see how badly local men can threat them as they don't given them any $$, they don't buy them jack sh*t, they could care less for them, bang them without protection and then bang other girls in the same manner as well. All this while knowing what time it is with them and yet, still falling for them each time. Guys there drink and party like drunken sailors and could give a rat's ass about them. While we sensitive, gentlemen, considerate,"Americanized" men threat them in opposite manners only to get the shaft at the end.[/QUOTE]There seems to be some confusion with the definition of "non-pro." The type of chicas you speak of are in fact pros or at the very least semi-pros. In my book a "non-pro"/civilian, does not ask for money nor expect it. IMO, if they they have met more than one gringo. They have probably moved into the "semi-pro" category.
[QUOTE=Runner Up;1151617]... People assume their lives are just like everyone elses. They're not. Speak spanish, have money, plan ahead, be in good shape and you are going to get laid. Hell you can get laid just with the promise of security ("money") alone unless you're an idiot or would rather pay for them to leave. I like to have a GF that doesn't smoke, speaks no english, has never met a foreigner, lives with mom and drinks jugo de pina while I'm drinking my pilsen.[/QUOTE]I have to admit, I agree with this completely.
Guys assume that everyone has the same experience as them, and it's just not true.
Totally depends on your attributes and planning as stated above.
For the record. Someone posted about an unpleasant experience with a game running chica and ended the post with, p4p is the best way. I shared an similar experience, and agreed that p4p is the best way.
Now, I don't understand how you guys have taken this mean I think we all share the same lives and experiences, clearly we don't. I was responding to a post that I quoted! Peace to all!
[QUOTE=Ricker; 1151835]I have to admit, I agree with this completely.
Guys assume that everyone has the same experience as them, and it's just not true.
Totally depends on your attributes and planning as stated above. [/QUOTE]
For those mongers calling all of their "NOVIAS" this could be a solution to buying your novia a computer to skype with, phone cards. Even might work out cheaper than buying all of those ORBITEL recharges. When you must call those novias cellphones only because they claim they do not have a landline. LOL
[QUOTE=Hioctane;1151817]There seems to be some confusion with the definition of "non-pro." The type of chicas you speak of are in fact pros or at the very least semi-pros. In my book a "non-pro"/civilian, does not ask for money nor expect it. IMO, if they they have met more than one gringo. They have probably moved into the "semi-pro" category.[/QUOTE]As Jack Nicholson said to Randy Quaid in the film "Cinderella Liberty",: "let me tell you something about pussy kid, sooner or later, in one way or another, you always end up paying for it."
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1151711]I'm American and my experience is the same as you describe for locals. The two or three times that women brought up anything about money or thinking I was going to spend a lot of money for whatever reason I have cut them off at the root. But it is the same for me where ever I am. As people have said before on this forum, if you don't have a way with women at home, then you shouldn't expect to have it in foreign lands. Unless you are confusing it with someone who is just trying to use you.
I don't stay at Dann Carlton or the Marriott; I don't eat at nice restaurants; hell, I do not even take taxis if I do not have to. When I am with a girl we are on the bus, going to the mall food court, going to the movies, or cooking at home. I'm not doing anything with her or showing her anything that she could not have done with the average local guy. And they are happy with just spending time with me. If they bring up something that costs more than I am willing to pay then I say,"I am not rich baby," and they understand.
A lot of times a guy may run into problems when they start out by throwing money around. And it is apparent from the prices some guys pay for P4P. I personally have never paid more than 50K pesos for P4P in Colombia and my P4P there is very limited due to the time I spend with non-pros. How could guys possibly believe they would spend more with a non-pro there? Colombia is very economical. That is one of the reasons I like it so much.
Of course I don't buy girls anything either. What would I need to buy them? Why would I need to buy them anything? I am not their father. I have my own daughter to provide for. If I give them anything then it is usually a t-shirt or key chain from someplace I have been or a coffee mug from Walmart with my city on it. And again, they are happy with that. [/QUOTE]I enjoyed your post. I even picked up a pointer or two.
I think the key to your thoughts here is to not make a big splash money wise when you first get involved with a Chica.
If you start off by eating in fancy resturants, then it is hard to give them street food the next day.
A movie or something to eat should make them happy as most of their Colombian Novios don't even do that much.
Myself I made the mistake of giving a Non pro 20K taxi money because I did not have a 10K bill. After that it would be hard the next time to give her less. A small example, sure, but I think makes the point.
The only issue I don't agree with you is the gift part. On her birthday or other important events then I feel a gift is a nice thing. Hell it makes me feel good to see the look on their face. If they have a child and you buy a 5K toy that is also great for me.
As far as the over paying by Gringos for P4P I believe it is really getting out of hand. This mentality of { hey I'm on vacation } will help pave the way for a Costa Rica atmosphere. Really guys if you use your head a little it will beneifit us all in the long run. In my experence maybe less than 5 % of the Pros I have talked to have never come down in price. To make matters more clear I am not talking about trying to get a Mayorista Chica down from her 30K price. I'm talking about the Girls who open up with a 200 to 300K price. She will take less and if not then around the corner there may be a gem for half the price. Remember, you are the Hunter not the Prey.
[QUOTE=David_33;1151862]As Jack Nicholson said to Randy Quaid in the film "Cinderella Liberty",: "let me tell you something about pussy kid, sooner or later, in one way or another, you always end up paying for it."[/QUOTE]Cinderella Liberty. I think I would like to see that one again. I liked the scene at the start of the movie when the female lead was shooting pool.
[QUOTE=Hioctane;1151817]There seems to be some confusion with the definition of "non-pro." The type of chicas you speak of are in fact pros or at the very least semi-pros. In my book a "non-pro"/civilian, does not ask for money nor expect it. IMO, if they they have met more than one gringo. They have probably moved into the "semi-pro" category.[/QUOTE]I can't say I really agree with this last line.
[QUOTE=Brother P; 1151854]For the record. Someone posted about an unpleasant experience with a game running chica and ended the post with, p4p is the best way. I shared an similar experience, and agreed that p4p is the best way.
Now, I don't understand how you guys have taken this mean I think we all share the same lives and experiences, clearly we don't. I was responding to a post that I quoted! Peace to all! [/QUOTE]I am on the other side of this and disagree, in a friendly way of course. I think it costs less the non P4P girl.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=1131821&viewfull=1#post1131821[/url]
First off all here is the issue. It may not be [I]your [/I]issue:
A) Guys that make prepagos their "girlfriend" and call them "non-pro girlfriends"
B) Guys that are way older with a "girlfriend" waaay out of their league and call them "non-pro girlfriends"
Both of the above "Girlfriends" are looking for money (any wonder?) , lie, have other boyfriends, play games, etc. They are not really "non-pro girlfriends"
So, the guy ends up spending more money, playing games, dealing with lies and taking abuse. Getting played. [B]Of course this "non-pro girlfriend" costs a lot more than a pro. [/B] But she is not a real non-pro. She is and always was a puta or if she is a non-pro she is a waaaay out of the guy's league. Meaning he is the "sugar daddy".
Think about yourself at 22 years old living in Colombia with tons of young hot girlfriend options, yet you have to date a 50 year old German immigrant who looks like Rosie O Donnel? She [I][B]better [/B][/I]be shelling out the bucks, right? You don't care how cultured Rosie is or how well she cooks or has travelled the world or even if she speaks your language fluently. There HAS to be something in it for you. Even then you are still going to bang your 19 year old hottie on the side and maybe even her 20 year old cousin. You are going to [I]have [/I]to lie and play games with Rosie.
Regular non pros in Colombia who are in your league do not cost more than putas if you have a real girl. Not a situation from the above A) or B).
Of course all girls cost some money:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSKxw2B2PU&feature=related[/url]
But real Colombian girls cost less than Colombian putas and less than all girls in your home country.
Because, as opposed to your home country, things overall cost less in third world countries and the girls expect less. Out to dinner and a movie, a little gift here and there, pay the taxi, bring a cake.
In your home country you need to make big bucks, big job, new car, well dressed, fancy restuarants, splurge on big ticket items, Broadway shows, vacations, bottles of wine and cosmopolitans and martinis just like Sex and the City. You name it.
In Colombia you take her to the movies and afterwards she drinks a beer and a shot of rum. You don't even need to have a car!
The topic of girlfriend vs prepagos always pops up form time to time and it's ALWAYS the same BS.
Any and everything has and could happen to you if you're open to the oportunity. I've been lucky enough to have met and made girlfriends with non-prepagos / normal girls all over South America. Not bragging just a fact. I've paid for girls more hot and less hot than my actual novias. I've developed actual friendships / what ever you want to call it with prepagos to the point where I have been invited to diner and family parties.
Bottom line: You / We all pay for pussy. One way or another we all pay so why hate? If dude A wants to call chick A his Novia but he has to hit the ATM when they go out; show me how this is different?
As for Old Guys with young hot chicks, I'm tired of the hating. I'm still on the young side of the fence (Early 30's but look 20ish) but have learned that it's WHO YOU ARE. If you provide companionship and or security or even straight cash who cares? Who are we to judge?
People stop hating! If you see some old dude in Parque Gringo (let's kill the Gringo chatter too, it's just a pronoun not a pejorative so leave it alone) and he is with some chica hotter than the one you have or if you don't have one. Step your game up! Be cool and nice to the girls, kill them with kindness but don't' be a sucker, do this on your terms not theirs, learn some spanish! Smile, Age is a number but cool is forever!
I see your point. A TRUE non pro GF will be cheaper than a puts, and if you have the time and espanol skills, probably a better experience.
[QUOTE=LuckyEddie; 1151900]I can't say I really agree with this last line.
I am on the other side of this and disagree, in a friendly way of course. I think it costs less the non P4P girl.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=1131821&viewfull=1#post1131821[/url]
First off all here is the issue. It may not be [I]your [/I]issue:
A) Guys that make prepagos their "girlfriend" and call them "non-pro girlfriends"
B) Guys that are way older with a "girlfriend" waaay out of their league and call them "non-pro girlfriends"
Both of the above "Girlfriends" are looking for money (any wonder?) , lie, have other boyfriends, play games, etc. They are not really "non-pro girlfriends"
So, the guy ends up spending more money, playing games, dealing with lies and taking abuse. Getting played. [B]Of course this "non-pro girlfriend" costs a lot more than a pro. [/B] But she is not a real non-pro. She is and always was a puta or if she is a non-pro she is a waaaay out of the guy's league. Meaning he is the "sugar daddy".
Think about yourself at 22 years old living in Colombia with tons of young hot girlfriend options, yet you have to date a 50 year old German immigrant who looks like Rosie O Donnel? She [I][B]better [/B][/I]be shelling out the bucks, right? You don't care how cultured Rosie is or how well she cooks or has travelled the world or even if she speaks your language fluently. There HAS to be something in it for you. Even then you are still going to bang your 19 year old hottie on the side and maybe even her 20 year old cousin. You are going to [I]have [/I]to lie and play games with Rosie.
Regular non pros in Colombia who are in your league do not cost more than putas if you have a real girl. Not a situation from the above A) or B).
Of course all girls cost some money:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSKxw2B2PU&feature=related[/url]
But real Colombian girls cost less than Colombian putas and less than all girls in your home country.
Because, as opposed to your home country, things overall cost less in third world countries and the girls expect less. Out to dinner and a movie, a little gift here and there, pay the taxi, bring a cake.
In your home country you need to make big bucks, big job, new car, well dressed, fancy restuarants, splurge on big ticket items, Broadway shows, vacations, bottles of wine and cosmopolitans and martinis just like Sex and the City. You name it.
In Colombia you take her to the movies and afterwards she drinks a beer and a shot of rum. You don't even need to have a car! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Brother P;1151965]I see your point. A TRUE non pro GF will be cheaper than a puts, and if you have the time and espanol skills, probably a better experience.[/QUOTE]Living here helps too. Otherwise I wouldn't bother either and just stick with the pros. Much easier. Mixing the two is where one runs into problems.
A puta is a puta and a non working girl is a non working girl and none the twain shall meet.
[QUOTE=Brother P;1151965]I see your point. A TRUE non pro GF will be cheaper than a puts, and if you have the time and espanol skills, probably a better experience.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Especially the time thing. Most girls with their shit half together aren't into the 2 week vacationing foreigner (nor the foreign guy way out of her league). The slutty girls will be and therein lies [B]the grey area [/B]- and lastly the pros as long as your money is green.
I guess my post was to address the guys who say they are all girls are putas and all liars and all have other novios and it just costs less to screw putas as opposed to non pros. This is simply not true. These guys just never get to meet and date the regular girls.
A guy with decent game, average income living in Colombia going after girls somewhat in his league can find paradise. Feminine, good cooks, knows her place, is a great sensual lover, sweet, in great shape, beers and a half a pint of rum, doesn't need much to be happy; just a guy in her league who is not a player.
Me on a mongering vacation (2 weeks minimum) I don't bother with the regular girls nor [B]the grey area girls[/B] And just hit the pros and be done with it. No need to fall in love with the [B]the grey area Girls [/B], pretending they are really into me and that they are regular girls.
Just find a good pro you click with, treat her well, get with her a handful of times and the service goes up. Many of these pros are super cool and awesome to hang with. Many times this is preferable, IMHO.
With this 5-10 years ago the vactioner could come back a few months later and pick up with this girl (and others) right where he left off, same price, same attitude. The girl on second or third return may no longer be a pro but have a menial job somewhere and thus is thrilled to have you come back and take her out. Everything was great.
But today that situation is much more scarce.
Today oftimes on return of the vacationer the process almost needs to start all over again with a different girl as the previous girl has discovered more foreigners, charges more, may not be available (a higher paying John calls her last minute so she cancels with you) and overall she is more a hardened pro. So prices are up and availiblity and quality go down. She does not tell you this so you come back and waste almost a week with "my kid is sick" but you are no longer the best option for her to make money. You are at the lower price point. Your diamond in the rough just may have "hit the Big Time". Mostly thanks to the internet boards for foreigners, internet boards for the ladies to post their photos to meet dates and PCs and internet are cheaper now so even estrato 2 girls have internet right in the comfort of their own homes.
Keepers are gold and may go sour at any time. This is now a mining process for girls with an unpredictable level of quality and shelflife on return of the foreigner.