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[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]To Ricker,
You are my hero, man! What a great role model for all of us.[/QUOTE]I'm in Argenitna at the moment, Buenos Aires. Hanging with my little Paraguayan girl here. But tonite I'm off to Miami. And tomorrow back to Colombia!
Take care amigo. Nice fotos!
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife] ... Lastly, in regard to the post about the little gifts of crayons, beanie baby like stuffed animals, and other similar items, it is a nice gesture, but do you really think you receive better service because of them?. You are giving kiddie like gifts to these adult girls. I asked a couple of my Colombian amigas about this before writing this post and they laughed when I mentioned these items. They would rather have a small sample bottle of perfume which you can buy on ebay very cheap, or a t-shirt, or something similar. They would much prefer to buy there own brand of makeup or nail polish, so why not take them to some tienda and let them buy the type or brand they use?. Doing this would also allow you to have more time developing chemistry with them. If this is something you do not want to do then why not just give them some extra pesos if there service and company deserved something special?. I am sure they would must prefer that based on the conversation I just had with them. There is really no reason to provide them anything unless you are planning on establishing an ongoing friendship with them. As I stated above, it does not provide you with any better service, as a puta is a puta, and it is all about money, unless you develop chemistry with them through conversation.[/QUOTE]Of course you'll get better service with little gifts. I think it's funny that you asked a couple of your amigas about it.
I don't care if you give them a small, $1 box of candy or a beanie baby, they dig it! I've done it and seen it many many many times.
I'm sure my success with the Colombian pros (or whatever country) over the years is that I don't think that a 'puta is just a puta'like you put it.
Treat her like a puta, and she'll treat ya like a client. Treat her like a beautiful girl and she is almost sure to treat you better. It's just human nature amigo.
That's just the way I do it, you treat them anyway you like.
I've enjoyed some of your posts but you seem a bit angry lately.
No reason to get all excited about a guy paying more than you think he should for chicas.
I've learned. You can post and post and write till your dedos ache. But guys will pay what they pay.
Those that have other skills and attributes, besides having money, can always get a better price.
It's just the way it is.
Good luck out there.
I am a staunch believer of NO OVERPAYING and I would and have WALKED many many times then paying what some of these bitches were asking. There is always greener pastures on the other side of the fence. So WALK if you dont like the prices. I have to respectfully DISAGREE with the "Maestro Ricker" Even so I make a heart felt attempt to treat ALL women/hoes with the utmost respect, It really pays off most of the time. Some of these viejas are just to far along in the game that all the schmoozing in the world will not turn their black, clock watching hearts and price negotiating is a must. Hopefully though you would know the hard-core pros from the sweet ones before you even close the deal! For the most part I AGREE 100% with URBAN. That not knowing the pricing structure of the place you monger I feel is irresponsible for the hobby as a whole. I especially like the part where a Monger will ***** and moan about paying $50/night for a room and then give away 400k like its nothing, lol.
Now here is where the problem lies, I know that we try to monitor and "help" each other on to what "should" be the pricing structure in CTG but the problem lies with #1 Israelis, #2 Italians and Spaniards with the STRONG Euro and #3 uninformed Gringos looking to bust a nut and thinking $200 is a great deal compared to what you pay in the states.
As to the guys being taken and sending money to girls in Colombia, D.R. C.R. saying "I love the girl", "It keeps my girl of the streets",, etc etc Hey if your willing to be that ignorant and blind to the situation and get taken by these kinds actions.. 2 old sayings: #1 You made your bed, now sleep in it! and #2 You can take the hoe out of the game BUT you cant take the game out of the hoe! They deserve EVERYTHING coming to them and MORE!
Ricker,
I try to be open-minded and that is the reason I asked about the gifts. It was more of a curiousity type of thing, and they did laugh when I asked them if they would be happy if some guy gave them crayons, a beanie baby, or similar type of gifts, and they stated to me those types of gifts are for ninos, and they are not ninos. What I had expressed in my post is exactly what they had told me. It just so happened I had spoken to 3 different girls since I was returning there calls or messages, and all told me basically the same thing.
As far as seeming angry these days, you are wrong. I just express my thoughts and feelings, and sometimes I might come across harder than normal to make my point. No anger here. I do find it a little bit irritating when I see people pay the kind of money that Junkyard and Guilem are posting about, but I also know it will never change. As I wrote in my post, paying this kind of money does reflect on the price structure that the putas are charging. Why else do you think the prices have gone through the roof?. There is no other reason I can think of.
As far as my comment about a puta is a puta, we are both correct. I clearly stated that if you are only after sex with her, then there is no need to give her gifts, e.c.t., especially if you are going to be one of the big 200, 300, or 400,000CP players. If you are going to see her again, and develop an ongoing friendship, then I feel it is a nice gesture to buy her a gift, or do something to show your appreciation towards her, and more than likely you will be rewarded for it, as it is all about building chemistry. I do not feel if you are with a puta for one night that you are immediately going to give her a gift previous to getting down with her, or am I missing something here?.
I also agree with you on a couple of things. No matter how much we complain about pricing it will do no good, but some times it needs to brought to others attention. You are also right about your comment about having skills and other attributes, and that is why I wrote about it in my post.
I have also enjoyed your comments and posts, but unlike others I do not look at you as my hero!. Sorry my friend. ;). It is not necessary for me to have a hero in mongering, as I can do just fine by myself. ;) Remember, conversation gets the girls, making them laugh, and creating a party atmosphere with them, providing them a BFE.... This is what game is all about. I do have a question for you Ricker. Since you have become a hero to other mongers, maybe you should start a mongering school teaching your Rico Sauve ways to your fellow mongers who want to be just like you! What do you think? ;)
[QUOTE=Guilem G]Sorry because maybe my english skill is very poor (I'm spanish), and I don't understand what are you trying to say. You are saying that I can go to jail because I paid a girl for have sex? This is a colombian law?
Thanks Junky.[/QUOTE]If you are caught paying a girl in the USA to have sex, you go to jail. Since I live in the USA, this is a concern to me. Since paying a girl to have sex in the USA involves the risk of going to jail, I need to be "compensated" by paying less if I am in the USA. In another words, I am willing to pay more for sex in Colombia (as opposed in the USA) because I don't have to fear going to jail.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]However, some people such as myself who refuse to pay these prices receive the same quality service, but it comes down to the principal of it all.[/QUOTE]I suppose you cannot even see that stating that you still get lower prices and receive the same quality service totally contradicts your point that paying higher prices ruins it for everyone.
Since it obviously doesn't affect YOU, why get so upset over the lives of others?
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]They would rather have a small sample bottle of perfume which you can buy on ebay very cheap, or a t-shirt, or something similar..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, but check the photos again and you will see perfume and t-shirts.
I totally agree with you that paying more money does NOT improve service. The price paid and the quality of service are unrelated, and if anything, work in inverse proportion
So why in the world do you write here that paying extra pesos is the answer:[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]...why not just give them some extra pesos if there service and company deserved something special?[/QUOTE]I would say that rates about ten stars out of ten on the hypocrisy scale!
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]As I stated above, it does not provide you with any better service.[/QUOTE]How is it that you can assume to you set yourself up as some sort of Olympic scoring judge on the quality of my sessions? Besides demanding that you have a "right" to know what I pay simply because you bought a membership, does that same $19.95 give you the magical ability to see inside my bedroom?
How silly!
You have absolutely no clue what my time with the chicas is like. Perhaps you should read the comment below from MiamiHeatLover as to what he has observed concerning the chicas' attitudes towards me.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]...as a puta is a puta, and it is all about money, unless you develop chemistry with them through conversation.[/QUOTE]Ricker disputed this point very eloquently. And I, too, could not possibly disagree with you more.
I would never think of any chica as a "puta" They are interesting, fascinating, and wonderful human beings, who deserve all of my attention and respect when I am with them.
For some reason you have lashed out at several people on the thread in the past few days, far beyond just trying to make a point about price. You have use the words "stupidity," "fucking ridiculous," "I could give a fuck," "some people do not have a clue,"and "how the fuck they manage is beyond me."
Not one of those statements made any valid point. They were solely personal attacks.
Ricker suggested that you are angry. And you have told me that you ARE angry at Jackson for deleting some of your posts.
But when one reads the things you are saying, it is very easy to see why he did. Reasonable people can disagree with each other without being disageeable. There is nothing gained by using such insults, and people become closed off to listeing to your opinion.
Everyone else here seems to be supportive of each other and able to get along reasonably well. I hope you will join us in doing so!
DB
[QUOTE=Ricker]I'm in Argenitna at the moment, Buenos Aires. Hanging with my little Paraguayan girl here. But tonite I'm off to Miami. And tomorrow back to Colombia!
Take care amigo. Nice fotos![/QUOTE]Thanks for the comment.
I'll be following in your footsteps, as I'll be in Bs.As. for a month starting at the end of June.
Please don't spoil all of the chicas with your good looks and charm, mi amigo. Leave a few crumbs for the rest of us...
If you are still down there at that time, Ricker, let's get together.
DB
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]It is exactly why Cartagena is no longer a reasonably priced mongering destination.[/QUOTE]Urban,
1) I think You got problems for understand some elemental things, or maybe my English skill is really bad. We are talking about different matters.
I was trying to say same as Dodger said few days ago: [QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Describing how you developed your own negotiation skills would go a whole lot further. Most guys are here to learn, and it is obvious that Junkyard is searching for new ideas. Far to many newbies get run off by the old-timers, and we all suffer for it.If we all lighten up we will all benefit. Sound reasonable?[/QUOTE]2) Which is the fuckin relation between apartments and pussies? I think you only understand things related with dollars, so let’s talk about dollars.
Colombia Cartagena
A) Best apartment I saw in Mirador del Laguito cost me 800€ (1200 $) for one month. Little one, but perfect for me. As 40$ a day.
B) Hot Colombian pussy TLN between 0 $ to 200$ (normal price from 50$ to 125$) Some things can move the price: High/ low skill negotiating, High/ low skill of the girl, take the girl soon or late, Etc.
Spain Barcelona
A) Cheap and old apartment far from beach in any city with beach for one month during the summer 1.200 € (1450$)
B ) Cold and boring romanian or ucranian pussy TLN from 700 € to 1000€.
High class hot pussy >2000€ TLN
So fuck in Cartagena is from ten to twenty times cheaper than fuck in Barcelona. Obviously I’m not stupid and I always will prefer to pay 0 $ for a nice pussy, but if the only nice pussy available in this moment cost me 200$ for TLN, I will pay those 200$ very happy. I must say you that I was negotiating with this paisa more than half an hour… Next day I offered 300.000 for TLN and she refused, so I forget this girl.
3) You ever think if that girls asking 250.000 or more to you, maybe are asking 150.000 to others? Think about it, If you don’t have chemistry making friends [QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]If you do not like the way I express myself to fucking bad, as I could give a fuck. I am not here to make friends[/QUOTE]Why you think that you will have success doing business with putas or with other things? You don’t know how important is chemistry doing business? And Especially in Latin countries….
4) You really think that 50 or 100 guys from ISG in Cartagena paying low prices will move the market prices?? Common, Cartagena is full of mongers that never read any forum.
5) If the prices are the most important for you, what are you doing in the LDV in Bocagrande one of the most expensive areas in Colombia?
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]The searches were conducted in the fork of the road in front of LDV..[/QUOTE]In LDV is very hard to pay less than 150.000 for a girl for ST (unless you are a good costumer or the girl is drunken or is an ugly girl)
You have a lot of possiblities to pay less:
There are some street hookers in avenida san martin, torre del reloj or in the beach (during day time) for 40.000 to 80.000., go to some Casas.
Go to Barranquilla, Sincelejo or Monteria (few tourists and a lot of opportunities).
Try to develop “pussy for free” strategies if you trip is longer than 2 weeks (an example: I have a friend that says to the girls that he is a model photographer searching for new faces for his agency in Spain, he goes to universities and discos and he catch a lot of young pussies for free, obviously this girl will be fucked for free for some days and my friend will make a free and nice erotic photo book). I think that is a very dangerous strategy, and hard to do. But there are a lot of other strategies waiting out here.
But probably it’s easy for you to blame other guys saying thinks like [QUOTE=UrbanWildlife] If it is not ridiculous then it is stupidity..... [/QUOTE]And finally....
Try to lose less time saving PM’s and blaming people. Work hard with girls and you will have more success paying less money. I won’t lose more time in this matter; write in English tires very much.
Regards
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Well, hmmmm.
Maybe even harrumph!
I was all set to write a report about Yudi (pronounced Judi) who I met today. She is a lovely, wholesome, young chica from Medellin.
Then I read Junkyard's report below about how he has been hanging with "Judy from Medelllin." And is taking her to the islands, no less.
Were you with her this morning my friend?
Is this the one and same?
Can Cartagena really be that small?
DB[/QUOTE]Why yes, this is the Yudi I was talking about! Actually Mr. Dodger has known this for the last few days as I have been PMing him about it. Even talked to him a few times. Too bad we couldn't get the logistics right to meet up!
From what I'v learned from a variety of sources is that she's been coming down to Cartagena from Medellin on and off for about 4 years now. And yes, she's hot. I have a few pictures will post them when I get back from my trip. However, after spending a majority of 3 or 4 days with her, the spice factor is going down. So I'm off to better pastures. I'm not sure what to think of it, it's like a girl gets content with you, and it's the beginning of the end. I'm sure the more experienced guys on this forum may have solutions to this problem.
In any case, Judy is a 100% pro, acts very good. I've met many people that know who she is around here. Quite amazing. On another interesting note, her and another ¨popular¨ girl on the streets named Claudia (brown and red hair, braces) are going to work in some place in the Dominican Republic in a month or so. Apparently just to ¨dance¨. I don't buy it, but I don't really care either. Just sounds really fishy to me. I got the guys business card, place called Foxy's.
About Claudia. Me and some americans were going out to eat in a taxi and we see her on the street. We stop to talk. I get her number, and tell her I'll call her in the future. I call her the next day and she's bent out of shape because I didn't call her the night that I met her. Wait, am I still in the USA?
A funny thing happened on Thursday. Dodger had an appointment with Yudi at 2pm, and I had an appointment with her at 4:30 (I made it at 4:30 because I knew about Dodger's appointment). We had to go buy tickets for the islands. Dodger and Yudi are running a little late and he notices that Yudi really needs to go. So what does he do? He says, ¨No problem, I'll just give Junkyard a call and say you're running a little late. He won't mind¨. Damn it Dodger, you should of taken a picture of her face and posted it! Apparently she flips out. When I met her later that day she tried to get it out of me how I knew. Again, like Tatiana, I'm not telling.
Let's backtrack to Wednesday night. I head down to Isis for the first time this trip. As I walk in I remember going here on my first trip and everything being expensive. Same as before. I'm with my cab driver and we sit around for 20 minutes and I call over this little hottie. She's from Medellin and is 23 years old with a kid. Her body and attitude look good, so I negotiate 250 COP (100 for house, 150 for her) for 2 hours. I bring her home and she starting talking about how she wants an american boyfriend and asking me how many past girlfriends I've had. Ugh. Even so, I enjoyed her company. I may give her a call back. Not sure.
So she leaves around 2pm. I'm not tired so I decide to visit Elektra for the first time that night. I call my taxi guy and he's going to pick me up just before 3am. We get there just before 3am. Maybe 10 people in the place. By 3:30 there are maybe 50, by 4pm the place is packed. I just love that techno music (sorry old guys), I'll definately be visiting the place some more. At about 3:30 who do I see walk in? The famous Yudi herself. She went to eat outside while I checked out the meat. Yudi and me then danced it up for an hour before heading on out. I would of stayed there all night but she had to be somewhere at 9am. So we left at 5am and went back to my place. She ended up staying the night (sound better than it really was). She's spent a total of 3 nights at my place. It's like a damn home away from home.
So Yudi and I go on the DeCameron Rosio Islands trip on Friday. In a nutshell, what fun! I have been on the Cocolisco and DeCameron trips now. Hands down, Cocolisco sucks and DeCameron rocks. 73 COP per person with all the food and drink, and the boat ride over is a riot. Dancing, drinking, goofing around. They take video of the event, so Yudi and I split it. I sure look stupid on that DVD! A group of drunk Argentina guys was on the boat. They were crazy and for whatever reason took a liking to me. On a sad note, I didn't put on enough sunscreen so my face is red, and my feet hurt from the sunburn. However, it's going to take more than a bad sunburn to stop Junkyard on a Friday night.
Yudi and I head back to the apartment. I copy pictures that I took of her onto a CD and we copy the DVD we got. Then blam, she's out of there (Thanks Dodger, haha). Turns out she forgot the CD with her pictures on them. That an a bottle of Champagne she won on the boat trip for this really stupid dance content. I am debating whether to give her back the CD today or have fun and make her sweat a couple of days. Yeah, the nice guy in me will call her up after I post this and make arrangements. Actually, Yudi ran into Dodger last night and they called me up at at around 1am to ask about the CD. I was with this girl Vivanna I pulled and she got the hint pretty quick. Nice and professional. Apparently Dodger and I were both in LDV but didn't know it.
So I go to LDV and check the place out. Talk to some people, and see this nice young looking girl. Start talking to her. I should call her Yudi #2. From Medellin, and it's her second day here. She has a great body with a young innocent look to her. 20 years old, no kids. I think it was her first night working in LDV. We start the money talk, and I get to 300K for 3 hours after going back and forth for awhile. In my opinion, shes the hottest and freshest in the entire club (as my friends in the states know, I am a picky guy), so yeah, I pay it.
I don't understand it, but it seems when I find a girl and I can't imagine one being any better, I get proven wrong. This Vivianna was amazing. She comes back to my apartment and nearly falls over herself when she sees it. I think she expected some dirty hotel room. Girl can drink, too. If you find her you better have some Rum ready. I'll go buy some more today. Sex was great. After a few hours she wants to go to Elektra. Sure, why not. I go, but she can't hang. I can dance all night, and she is getting hot and tired. I can't quite explain it, but the only disadvantage to her is her young attitude. A little annoying, but manageable. Also saw Yudi there sitting at a table with 3 guys. Seems she likes to sit outside in the patio area. She must of been tired because we both got up at 7am that morning. Well, I wasn't tired, so maybe she wasn't either. Vivianna and I ended up staying for an hour then left. She had to go home and I guess I had to go home.
On the cab drive back the driver says there is this club out past the airport that is cool. I get the information and run it by the guy working at my apt complex. He says it's good too. Might check it out.
Oh yeah, one last thing about Yudi. Loves to gamble. Especially roulette and the one arm bandits. It's a SHAME that such a sweet girl with that much potential is blowing her money constantly away at the casino. Makes me wonder how many other working girls are doing the same thing.
So I am at my midway point now. I feel like I've been here forever. Part of me just wants to go home. What will the second half bring? Stay tuned to find out.
Junkyard
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[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]I am a staunch believer of NO OVERPAYING and I would and have WALKED many many times then paying what some of these bitches were asking. There is always greener pastures on the other side of the fence. So WALK if you dont like the prices. I have to respectfully DISAGREE with the "Maestro Ricker" Even so I make a heart felt attempt to treat ALL women/hoes with the utmost respect, It really pays off most of the time. Some of these viejas are just to far along in the game that all the schmoozing in the world will not turn their black, clock watching hearts and price negotiating is a must. Hopefully though you would know the hard-core pros from the sweet ones before you even close the deal! For the most part I AGREE 100% with URBAN. That not knowing the pricing structure of the place you monger I feel is irresponsible for the hobby as a whole. I especially like the part where a Monger will ***** and moan about paying $50/night for a room and then give away 400k like its nothing, lol.
Now here is where the problem lies, I know that we try to monitor and "help" each other on to what "should" be the pricing structure in CTG but the problem lies with #1 Israelis, #2 Italians and Spaniards with the STRONG Euro and #3 uninformed Gringos looking to bust a nut and thinking $200 is a great deal compared to what you pay in the states.
As to the guys being taken and sending money to girls in Colombia, D.R. C.R. saying "I love the girl", "It keeps my girl of the streets",, etc etc Hey if your willing to be that ignorant and blind to the situation and get taken by these kinds actions.. 2 old sayings: #1 You made your bed, now sleep in it! and #2 You can take the hoe out of the game BUT you cant take the game out of the hoe! They deserve EVERYTHING coming to them and MORE![/QUOTE]MiamiHeatLuver,
Thanks for your post as it is totally awesome!, as everything you stated is REAL and right on!. Nice to see others such as yourself and Aussie Mate really see the total picture, and are not blind like some others on here. I also loved the saying "you can take the hoe out of the game, but you cannot take the game out of the hoe". There is another saying to go along with that is so true, and that is "a hoe does not make a housewife", but unfortunately so many of these lonely guys feel they can be a Captain Save A Hoe!, only to get there hearts broken, and there banks accounts drained.
To clarify a statement to Dodger, as I see he loves to take things out of context. I spoke of paying outragous prices to the putas in my previous post, but I stated that giving a few extra pesos to her if the service she provided called for it is no big deal. There is nothing hypocritical about my statement, as a propina is not over paying, as it is a propina! (not a payment) Personally I do not remember when I provided a tip to a puta that I know I was never going to see again, but then again I rarely ever pay to begin with, unless it is out of the generosity of my heart, and this includes the girls I have pulled from LDV, which I wrote about in my posts while I was in Cartagena. If you have conversation and charm, you can get the freebies even from a puta bar/disco. If a girl I am engaging in conversation with brings up money, I just say adios and go on to someone else. The putas that I have chosen to pay, the subject of payment never comes up until the following morning, as it is very rare that I do not have them overnight, and usually when the subject of payment comes up, they tell me to pay them what I want.
As far as my lashing out to use your own words Dodger, and not making any valid points with the way I expressed myself, I beg to differ, as I have had no less than 8 p.m's thanking me for speaking out the way I did, so once again your claims are nothing more than meaningless bullshit. By the way, I also found it quite funny that you are a grown man who looks at another monger (Ricker) as a hero and role model. This is really fucked up and sad at the same time, unless I am missing the definition of a role model and a hero. I am sure Ricker would prefer someone other than a monger be your role model and hero.
In ending this post, I also find it quite ironic that you are attacking my writing style and posts, when I went way the fuck out of my way to help you and your friend in your search to secure apartments in Cartagena, (while I was in Cartagena) as well as providing you a lengthy up to date guide on Cartagena, including pics and contact information through email in hopes of making your stay in Cartagena more enjoyable, but now you have shown your true colors, so now I will no longer go the extra step to help the next guy.
Junkyard, thanks for your report, and it is nice to see you are enjoying yourself, but learn how to negotiate! It is not that difficult of a skill to learn. Like Dodger, maybe Ricker can be your role model and hero when he opens up his school of mongering. ;) You will be able to learn his Rico Suave ways. ;)
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[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]I asked them if they would be happy if some guy gave them crayons, a beanie baby, or similar type of gifts, and they stated to me those types of gifts are for ninos, and they are not ninos.[/QUOTE]Yes, along with make-up, perfume, chocolates, t-shirts, fashion magazines, etc., I do bring along lots of gifts for ninos.
Don't most of the chicas have ninos? Or sobrinos? Maybe even young hermanos?
They way to a woman's heart can often be through her babies. Just imagine how it makes her feel when she has a coloring book, crayons, stickers, stuffed animals, Disney DVDs, etc., to take home to her little ones?
I remember walking into the Del Rey in CR after a two year absence, and a scream came from across the room. A chica ran over and hugged me, excited to tell the others that her "Santa Claus" had returned.
She explained to the other chicas how I made her children's Christmas one year with the presents I had given her for them.
What kind of impact did it make when the other chicas saw that her reaction to me?
And even though these chicas may not want to admit it, most of them still have a little girl inside them, too. I was shocked out how much they want to have those beanie babies and stuffed toys for themselves!
Just ask Junkyard how pleased Yudi was when she showed him the stuffed animal, movies, t-shirt, etc., that she chose her as gifts.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]I clearly stated that if you are only after sex with her, then there is no need to give her gifts, e.c.t., ... I do not feel if you are with a puta for one night that you are immediately going to give her a gift previous to getting down with her, or am I missing something here?[/QUOTE]Yes, you have missed the point completely.
Or perhaps I need to describe things more throughly:
Whether I am with a chica only once or for ten full days, it is all about creating a "simulated relationship." We are novios, at least for a few hours. Isn't that what GFE is all about?
My batting average isn't perfect, but I can say the 95% of the time now I am able to avoid picking a cold-hearted pure professional who only cares about money.
Girls just want to have fun, too.
Now she's in my place, and I'm in total control of the situation. Her favorite Latin music is blasting and she has a Red Bull in her hand (that shit is a whole lot cheaper when I bring it with me from Sam's Club).
I have already established how generous I am by stuffing some chocolates and gum into her purse to take home to her kiddies.
I have dressed her up in a Dodger t-shirt and officially made her a member of my "team' of chicas. "They are the Los ANGELES Dodgers," I tell her.
"So that officially makes you an ANGEL now."
And I by now I have taken and printed her some hot photos of herself, and maybe created her a Hi5 page so that she can post them on the internet (check out Yudi's if you can find it).
Then I ask her about her dreams, her ninos, her family etc., to show her that I am interested in her life, not just her body, before I walk her over to the gifts.
That puts me in a position to do some "suggestive selling" tailored specifically to the people in her life, right?
Do you suppose it can be fun when I take them over to the table of gifts so that they can check out the colors of the lipstick and nail polish, smell the perfume, study the coloring books and the movies, and toss around a minature football with me?
Once she catches the ball I might tackle her mess up her hair. Or I will heave the ball off the balcony into the sea below, and tease her about how she owes me big-time now, since she is the one who missed the catch...
Are we having fun yet?
Back to the table of gifts, I explain that if she pleases me in bed, she gets to pick three regalos. If she really pleases me, she gets to have four.
But if she totally rocks my world, then I will give her FIVE to take home.
"Oh, by the way," I tell her, "the chica last night earned all five regalos."
"I am sure that are just as good in bed as she is, right? I think you are probably even more caliente!"
Just getting a little competition thing going before we head to the cama...
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Remember, conversation gets the girls, making them laugh, and creating a party atmosphere with them, providing them a BFE.... This is what game is all about.[/QUOTE]So we've come full circle here and find they we really agree on many things after all.
The small gifts and such work for me, but anything will work if we make it fun for them. It is all about our own ATTITUDE.
A the risk of offending some here, if you had a bad session with a chica, more often than not it is nobody's fault but your own!
If you find you end up with lots of hardened pros, my guess is that you are probably a very hardened monger.
If you want to get GFE, you've got to give her BFE...
There are many different ways to achieve the "party atmosphere" mentioned, and we each have to work with our own personality. It is really all in the presentation and conversation.
Sure, if you ask a chica if she would fuck better for kids' toys, while talking over the PHONE, for chrissakes, of course she would laugh and think it is stupid! That is not my idea of "presenting" the experience correctly.
I mean, really now...
But picture how things can be entirely different in the room, after instilling high expectations of fun and games before even leaving the club with her.
Topped with a sense of total excitement and unpredicatably once she enters my "lair."
Nine times our of ten I will be able to transform her from what some might demeaningly call a "puta" to my idea of a passionate amante in a "simulated relationship," with all of the attendent GFE emotions, bonding, great fun, and fabulous sex.
Hope this Helps.
DB
[QUOTE=Junkyard]So I go to LDV and check the place out. I think it was her first night working in LDV. WE START THE MONEY TALK, and I get to 300K FOR 3 HOURS AFTER going back and forth for awhile. In my opinion, shes the hottest and freshest in the entire club (as my friends in the states know, I am a picky guy), so yeah, I pay it.
Junkyard[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I have been speaking about in my previous posts. For one, I highly doubt she is new in LDV or the Puta scene, and even if she was, you can bet your ass she is running back to Medellin and telling all her friends how she made $175.00 dollars U.S for 3 hours of sex in Cartagena! No matter what others think, paying these prices DOES influence the price structures the girls are asking. It can't help but not! If it did not, then tell me why has the inflated prices continue to grow?. It is only because mongers are paying these type of prices, so they know they can ask for it. AGAIN, THIS 300,000 PESOS Junkyard paid is a NEGOTIATED price! MiamiHeatLuver is right, when he stated the Israelis, Italians and Spaniards with the STRONG Euro and uninformed Gringos looking to bust a nut and thinking $200 is a great deal compared to what you pay in the states are the reason behind the inflation of mongering in Cartagena, but so is these mongering boards that have become so popular, and where the members just do not have a fucking clue when it comes to dealing with negoiating with putas, despite all the information about negotiating that the boards offer. Again, paying 300,000 pesos for 3 hours is fucking ridiculous.
Other than this bullshit, I enjoyed your post Junkyard.
Dodger Bulldog is correct about bringing them little gifts, but I would not be santa claus and hand them out to Del Rey or LDV girls. They get plenty of gifts from the fellow monger that was in her the night before.
However once you get to know the chica and know a little about her, then I say sure give them gifts, but remember your paying for a sexual service or in some cases a fantasy, but by giving them gifts like the ones the Dodger Bulldog spelled out in his posting, you are showing the chica that you too are a human being, that thinks about their situation, so I applaud him, but I personally would never give the gifts to a del rey chica no way. I too bring small gifts for the girls in know in CTG, except for Paola, since I last saw she got her boobs done, some guy bougfht her an I-Phone and another guy flys her to his Medellin mansion and tells everyone she is his girlfriend, HA HA HA
So I guess it depends on the girl and the circumstances
I also agree with what the Dodger says about having a bad session. It is a crap shoot everytime. It also seems that I have had more mechanical, mediocre sessions with the hottest chicas, than the good looking, but not superhot chicas.
But seriously DB, The way to a working girls heart is not through small gifts, but through Western Union.
[QUOTE=Junkyard] So I go to LDV and check the place out. Talk to some people, and see this nice young looking girl. Start talking to her. I should call her Yudi #2. From Medellin, and it's her second day here. She has a great body with a young innocent look to her. 20 years old, no kids. I think it was her first night working in LDV. We start the money talk, and I get to 300K for 3 hours after going back and forth for awhile. In my opinion, shes the hottest and freshest in the entire club (as my friends in the states know, I am a picky guy), so yeah, I pay it.[/quote]First of all thank you for the entertaining report but, Are you kidding me? 300K for 3 hours for a so called first time LDV working girl? And this is after going back and forth for a while? WOW! Do you need some swamp land in Florida or any junk bonds? I would be happy to sell you either!
Not to be overly critical because I have enjoyed your posts but seriously Junkyard you really need to do some research and RTFF before you venture out. Not only is it informative but you can ascertain what the going rate is for your area of travel. Of course, everyone can pay what they want but I think no one here wants to be labeled as a "Sucker" and have the girls laughing behind their backs.
If you're homesick I'm sure there are plenty of 20yr old hotties without children on Craig's List in your area. $175 will get you in call or out call all in the comfort your home city and just think of all the money you will save on airfare, apt/hotel etc.
AM
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]But seriously DB, The way to a working girls heart is not through small gifts, but through Western Union.[/QUOTE]I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are joking, because that is the funniest thing I've read in quite a while!!!
Since I am all about getting the best possible session in the HERE AND NOW, this is the most useless thing I can think of. Giving money to a chica when I'm not in the same bed with her, let alone not even on the same continent?
In Spanish they have a term for a man who is foolish enough to support a woman while she is fucking someone else: cabron. In English: a cuckold (or worse).
Any chica who even hints that I should send her money never hears from me again.
That is why I also take exception to the idea that a tip can improve service. Since it happens AFTER the session, by definition it cannot possibly improve the completed session.
Which is the very reason I came up with the idea of introducing the regalos up front, to be earned during the session. This has the affect of influencing the behavoir of the chicas DURING our time together.
Even still, it is the process of BFE that brings out the best in them, not the specifics of the gifts.
Now, I do give an occasional modest tip if service has been exceptional. I do it to help other mongers, as my time with the chica is done. A tip, by definition, can't help me.
And I always make sure that I give VERY specific reasons as to exactly how she earned it, so that she will do the same for my friends in the future.
For example, I tipped Tatiana and Claudia for these reasons: 1. Doing everything I asked without hesitation, 2. Having no concept whatsoever of time, and 3. Working together in flawlessly to give me the best dupla I have ever had.
Lots of things can work with a chica, and we can all learn much from each others approach.
But I think we can all pretty much agree that the one thing that does the least to inspire a chica to reach her optimum level is money...
DB