Kyiv

O. K. From my experience everything is possible with girls you meet through internet. The most reliable indicator is not what they say but their tone of voice, what impression you get through conversation on the phone. If the girl gave you a certain impression it is very likely she will be just how you imagined her, she will have the same behaviour towards you when you meet her.

There are no 100% effective tests to spot out gold diggers before meeting them like there are no effective ways for a girl to know if sb is a monger or sb who wants marriage. I just gave some qs to help get some more information and try to point out your chances before meeting her.

In my opinion the most effective way to counteract girls' unreliability (girls often claim we are free to change our minds, you must keep promises because you are men we are women etc) is to have many girls in the row so if sth does not go as wished with the first to have an alternative girl to meet. And a third and a fourth one. This means careful planning, certain expenses and a little effort but chances of success rise.

Let's say if you meet one girl, there are 50% chances she is a gold digger, second girl the same, third girl, fourth girl the same. When you meet the fourthh girl statistically you will have come across two gold diggers and two good girls which means you will have the opportunity to eliminate gold diggers. If you meet only one and she is a gold digger, trip will be a failure.

From my experience a 30% of girls will not want to meet you when you arrive. They will say they do not have time or are not in Kiev. Of the other 70% 30% will appear only to visit some good restaurants or clubs. The rest will have an interest in you either financial or emotional. So search for some more contacts to have 5-10 reliable phone numbers when you arrive.

Plan to come in weekend to have the opportunity to visit clubs as well as to expand opportunities.

Hecker:

If you just check the two links they will address everything you said and a hell of a lot more. There is a goldmine of info if you take some time and do some research. As with all of the FSU it is always be Buyer Beware! Now on with the show!

Thanks for the advice and feedback guys, really helpful and very much appreciated:

1. She's 26, great english, better than mine probably!

2. She has her own apartment, but the plan is she'll spend some time at mine, I'm not sure about the first night though, see how it goes i guess. If the chemistry is there like it has been on IM, it's likely.

3. Nope, like I said, I get the impression relatively speaking that she does okay, I expect she'll want to go for a nice meal on occasion but then hell, English girls expect that and very rarely even say thanks.

4. She'd tell me to "f*ck off" and i wouldn't blame her.

5. Actually now you might be on to something, she did ask me to bring her over the new Tori Amos album ;)

6. I'd feel a bit like a stalker calling her at work, and besides, we speak often on the phone and the chemistry is great, she's very funny and outgoing, charming even. She's never been sullen or sulky or withdrawn, she'll probably be more like that AFTER the weekend ;)

7. Been to Arena a few times, I think the plan is more intimate places, Le Cosmopolite we both like.

They're probably wise words about having a few others lined up, but to be honest, I haven't got the heart for it. I guess if it all goes tits up I can at least head over to Oneills and schnaffle a P4P, if i'm not too disappointed. Bottom line, any opportunity to visit kiev is worth taking I guess.

Cheers all, report to follow.

I estimate you have 95% chances to score.

Anyone out there have a flat rental agency that they have used and would recommend heartily. I have a Deyva coming into town mid June and I want to rent an impressive flat for a week. I would like something modern with a jacuzzi if possible, in a good area with transportation, taxis close by. I've checked some agencies but from talk on here, it sounds like what you see is not necessarily what you might get.Also is it possible to pay with credit card?
Also does anyone know if there are sex toy shops in Kiev. This one has never tried, but I've sent her some photos and she definitely wants to try some now
Thanks
Cap

Cap,

There is a sex shop on Shevcheka provulok. That is located at the far end of Maidan right at the McDonald's. Same building, in fact.

If you face Mac, go to the left and it is the firt dooor on the right hand side of the street. I think shop is called called "Eden" and it is just OK but you will be able to find what you will need for a toy newbie.

Enjoy and I am sure you will as will she. Lte us know how it works out.

[QUOTE=Captain Fire]Anyone out there have a flat rental agency that they have used and would recommend heartily. I have a Deyva coming into town mid June and I want to rent an impressive flat for a week. I would like something modern with a jacuzzi if possible, in a good area with transportation, taxis close by. I've checked some agencies but from talk on here, it sounds like what you see is not necessarily what you might get.Also is it possible to pay with credit card?

Also does anyone know if there are sex toy shops in Kiev. This one has never tried, but I've sent her some photos and she definitely wants to try some now

Thanks,

Cap[/QUOTE]Why don't you ask your deyva organise a flat for you? She should know better conditions. This method I use always.

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1. If she is over 27 years old she is not a gold digger.

2. If she tells you she will stay with you (not just maybe stay with you) in apartment, she is 90% gold digger.

3. If she asked already money from you she is 100% gold digger.

4. Ask her if she likes to bring another girl to apartment. If she agrees, she is a gold digger.

Generally speaking from internet contacts a 50% of girls younger than 25 y.o. are interested in money(presents,sponsoring,expensive places).The rest has good intentions but will not sleep with you on first date.
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You talk about golddiggers and materially minded young girls as if they were a bad thing!

Maybe you can charm young girls into your bed with good looks and great dance floor moves alone, but many of the rest of us rely on a bit of avarice on the part of EE women to make ourselves sufficiently appealing as romantic partners.

Where would we be if there were no golddiggers or girls hoping for nice presents or lavish nights on the town?

The challenge is to get value in return!

So let's celebrate golddiggers and women of easy virtue!!

GT

Hey all

Well thanks for the advice to all that ventured it. My time in Kiev was spectacular, she was a great come true.

In the end, she did end up staying in my apartment for the whole weekend and we were virtually stuck to each other for the whole time I was there.

How is it, that ukraininan girls can be so hell-bound sexy one minute, and angelically demure the next? It really is a wonderful thing.

I went to a few bars whilst I was there, one called Safe, which was awesome, wall to wall stunners in there, and i was lucky enough to be with one of them. Go there if you can.

Cheers

Capt, I think you are going to have a hard time finding anyone to recommend an apartment agency heartily in Kyiv. The most you can hope for is to get some value while you are paying too much. ;) There are places aplenty (and expensive) that look good in Kyiv. But I’ve rented better long term business suites in the ‘Burbs in the US for about half or less then what you’ll pay in Kyiv.

GT, Hecker’s modus operandi is to throw money and mobile phones at the girls. Yet he complains about only finding gold diggers – go figure.

Uke, you dog! ;)

Hello there,

I'm coming to Kiev next week and I'd like to know good brothel : not the cheapest ones, good looking girls, clean and nice rooms to fuck, anal would be a plus. I've browsed unsuccessfully many pages of this forum but I could not find a place like this.

Would it be a solution to go to "river palace", and pick a girl who, as fas as I've understood, must be working since 95% of girls are working there ?

I'd prefer not taking girls back at my hotel since I dont travel alone.

Any suggestions welcome :)

Thanks in advance.

Gorefist, you can browse this forum all you like but unfortunately, you will get the same answer about a good brothel in Kiev as you have described just does not exist. There are several just so-so brothels but they really are mostly crap and the ladies will more than likely be goblins at ridiculous prices for the quality.

You could stretch the definition of brothel, however, to include River Palace but that would mean a return to your hotel.

The only other option is net sites with independent ladies that offer incalls. The law here allows ladies to be prostitutes. If caught, they get a small fine. If they turn themselves into madams or if you pimp, that is a criminal offense.

There was the case just recently when the madam of a very expensive Kiev site, kievglamour.com was arrested. I guess she did not make the regular payments to the local police and prosecutors that would be expected of her.

You should try top-models.com.ua or even, God forbid, Gia. Gia have their own apartments for the time with the lady as an extra charge.

Hello,

Anybody in Kiev now?

Can meet up for coffee.

I'm travelling to Kiev. Please, can anyone send me information about good pros and "sponsorized" girls I can spend a good time with at a reasonable price? Tips will be welcome too. Thank you all.

Hello. Same request as Yves77. Any contact info on semi pros or "sponsor" girls will be appreciated.