FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2769506]2 black girls seen at the moment. Party on this week end is nothing special except only frenchie for me. Many girls with slow business. My chic elegant German playing ghost Kasper after great welcome on previous night when just finishing 2 hours with frenchie. My money go to France. Compare to Miss Globe election on other forum, as a very different client, my ranking is: 1 is fresh frenchie for 4 hours in a week, 2 is chic elegant German Kasper, wishing we can repeat as we told on previous night, 0 vote for both on other forum, same like for Sofia. De at Globe on 2020 when she was superstar there. For my number 3 , Sofi. De, even I didn t repeat for 200/60 , I would have for 150/60 . For fans, Austrian Aylin is back with silicon. Good point, old Sylvana is at Finca. Baltic Anjelika is still on business. No Marina. Lat seen.[/QUOTE]I meant Miss Sharks election on other forum where also Miss Globe election, when my 2 best Sharks girls of 2022 have both 0 vote. So proud to be so different. I think another of few prettiest, Kity, also has 0 vote, but not surprising for her.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2769612]The difference was that only maybe 2 or 3 girls in the entire line up would ask for that rate prior to Covid. Maybe another 5-6 of the top girls wouldn't push for 150 for 1 hour. More commonly, the better looking girls who took 50 euro half hours would try to upcharge for BBBJ or rush through the room. That was the situation in 2019-2020.

Now every girl who would be on the second tier line up asks for 100 euro per half hour. It's a fair price in the world market but not in German FKKs. That rate defeats the major reason FKK became popular. FKKs are supposed to be about volume. And volume cannot be achieved at incall rates.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you here.

Additionally, does anyone think that an unskilled migrant worker who sweeps the floors, cleans toilets, or is stocking shelves in a supermarket somewhere in Germany gets paid double now in 2022 when compared to 2019?

No, the difference is the complete absence of [U]foreign sex tourists[/U] in those aforementioned industries, and that this migrant worker working random unskilled labour jobs in Germany still has the same German employer who will pay him more or less the same low (er) wage that he was paying in 2019.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2769560]Parties are IMHO always overrated. Remembering from pre-CONvid days, it's usually very busy, and as you correctly pointed out, apparently some girls will charge extra because of waiting times for rooms etc. However, this summer I 'accidentally' (I didn't know about this in advance, and I was too lazy to check their website beforehand) arrived at Sharks during the Summer Party, but it was not busier than usual. No waiting times, no hordes of men in blue bathrobes, no queues for rooms, many empty sunbeds outside, many empty cabins outside, many empty rooms inside, nothing special except for a glass of cheap Prosecco at the entrance, some kind of striptease performance (which I didn't see because I was in a room) and some different buffet food + crepes / pancakes.

I was at Sharks quite recently, and although it was quite a good line up, there were very few men and many girls sitting around without customers, looking bored and highly frustrated. And this is during a 'busy' weekend, just imagine what that place looks like on a Monday, Tuesday or Thursday which are traditionally the slower days!

[I]Those silly girls have [u]completely[/u] priced themselves out of the market, but they are either too stupid to realise that or too arrogant to admit that they have made a serious mistake.[/I]

I recently talked about this briefly with a girl in the room and we were both wondering how some women can make a small profit on a monthly basis. If I remember correctly, then normal entry for the girls is 110 Euros per day and if they want to sleep at Sharks they have to pay 150 Euros (entrance + sleeping).

So [U]every day[/U] they need to make at least 2 x 30 minutes room for 100 Euros each to have a small 50 Euro profit at the end of the day. If a girl works 25 days per month and sleeps at Sharks then she will only have earned 1250 Euros netto (25 x 50 Euros profit), assuming she has [U]on average[/U] 2 customers per day, which seems very optimistic because I see many girls walking or sitting around all night long without a single customer even during the weekends. Double that (4 customers on average per day, which is probably very optimistic for an GND looking girl) and she will have made a lousy 2500 Euros in one month. For the luxury of easy math, I'm not even assuming any income taxes here, or 'sharing' some of her income with her 'boyfriend. '.

That's absolutely crazy, and these same girls were probably making LOTS more money in 2019 when prices were lower.

Lower the prices and many more men will return. More men = more potential customers = more money. It's really that simple.[/QUOTE]Entry is 105 without sleeping in club. Following Oase girls few years ago, Sharks girls fucked their own business on this year, when they are not able to understand most guys visiting Sharks are not rich and can t afford anymore to pay such increasing, when most girls don t worth what they ask, but quality guy like me found frenchie and German Kasper who worth, to finish this year on high level at Sharks, when I was disappointed on most of the year. 800 € for France in 1 week. I confirm even on this week end party, slow business for many girls, some who were on Friday but didn t even come on Saturday, when Monday, Tuesday and Thursday are told to be now dead for business, and beginning of 2023 should be worse.

[QUOTE=GunningPeter;2769549]I recall just before Covid how many ladies would be pitching 100/30 and it was hard to find the 50/30 offer, with smart alecks here saying how they were always getting the good deals. This trend has been a long time coming.[/QUOTE]Smart alecks? Nope. I was in Sharks and Oase a couple of times in the fall of 2019 and one quick visit in Jan 2020 and I never paid 100/30. My sessions were a mix of 30 m, 60 m, and a few which were much longer but never did I pay at the 100/30 rate and I think many mongers didnot either. More to the point, it was absolutely not impossible or even difficult to find 50/30. Yes, BBBJ, DFK etc were not routinely included in the 50/30 in 2019 by all the girls (some did include these at that 50/30 rate). I did pay 150/60 for 2 sessions on a lone, one night visit a few months ago, and more than the price the experience was less than what it used to be.

I think the 2017 condom rule change made some difference to pricing but nothing like the Covid break.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2769673]

No, the difference is the complete absence of [U]foreign sex tourists[/U] in those aforementioned industries, and that this migrant worker working random unskilled labour jobs in Germany still has the same German employer who will pay him more or less the same low (er) wage that he was paying in 2019.[/QUOTE]Did rates double in Munich, Cologne, Berlin, and Vienna? Or do sex tourists only visit Frankfurt, Germany of all places?

Pfff. The socalled wonderful "Frenchie" in Sharks is Lora. She worked a few months in Finca Erotica untill she moved to Sharks. In Finca Erotica she was bookable for 60/30 m, 110/60 m obviously she's "worth" 200/60 m now and she even charges 150/30 m (or at least tries to get this stupid price) according to some comments. Unbelievable. Booked her in Finca, very average and the worst of the 3 bookings there although very nice social time without timepressure but lack of servicequality.

Servicewise she is very mediocre, not even close to topservice but probably exceptional enough for some to spend the double amount compared to a few weeks ago and justify that because of God knows which reason?? Cause she doesn't have tattoo maybe cause servicewise she's not worth a great deal for sure. Wonderful if she's top in Sirioja's list and good that he's proud to be different but just a joke if you consider it servicewise.

[QUOTE=SpermBirds;2769808]Pfff. The socalled wonderful "Frenchie" in Sharks is Lora. She worked a few months in Finca Erotica untill she moved to Sharks. In Finca Erotica she was bookable for 60/30 m, 110/60 m obviously she's "worth" 200/60 m now and she even charges 150/30 m (or at least tries to get this stupid price) according to some comments. Unbelievable. Booked her in Finca, very average and the worst of the 3 bookings there although very nice social time without timepressure but lack of servicequality.

Servicewise she is very mediocre, not even close to topservice but probably exceptional enough for some to spend the double amount compared to a few weeks ago and justify that because of God knows which reason?? Cause she doesn't have tattoo maybe cause servicewise she's not worth a great deal for sure. Wonderful if she's top in Sirioja's list and good that he's proud to be different but just a joke if you consider it servicewise.[/QUOTE]She is too pretty and too normal woman for your tastes, for sure not a hardcore porn doll, but a real true GFE for me and increased by communicating in French. When You told me I would not find natural beauties without tattoos, she is and I enjoyed so much her natural virgin beauty and sweetness loveliness. Only her, among around 80 girls, on my 3 visits in a week and wish to repeat if she return on next year, just for normal sex with a normal beautiful woman, so much more interesting for me than fake porn, but with really good BBBJ she offered me. German Kasper didn't get me when she didn't return on Saturday. I don't need to cure frustration about women, I just love beauties who worth more expensive for me. Would be riot at Globe for frenchie or Kasper. De and Swiss would book them for more than 1 hour even 300/60, papy would take plenty of towels for whole day. After nearly 10 years, almost weekly visiting except for holidays, I was happy to find magic with France, but have to be able, and happy to give her 200/60 when some Sharks girls not on her level, ask for more. My best Sharks 2022 girl, chic elegant Kasper. De being number 2, even 0 vote on Youppie, like for Sofia. De on 2020 at Globe.

This may be a dumb question but where do you keep your cash to pay the ladies? In your locker and pay after? Sorry for the noob question but never been to a FKK club.

[QUOTE=BlueMoon22;2769929]This may be a dumb question but where do you keep your cash to pay the ladies? In your locker and pay after? Sorry for the noob question but never been to a FKK club.[/QUOTE]There is a safe in the main room, it's where the majority put their money and phone. Some let everything in the locker.

In your locker indeed. And pay the girls after you come back from the room.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2769560] Lower the prices and many more men will return. More men = more potential customers = more money. It's really that simple.[/QUOTE]Ideally yes but I can't think of many times when a seller has doubled their prices and then cut them in half again.

There's pride involved here, it's not just the logic of the markets.

Maybe the clubs can get to enforcing a 75 E standard, that would be an acceptable compromise to me, and the girls don't have to lose face by devaluing themselves. Just chalk it up to the club demands. I sure would like to enjoy an FKK again, but not at a 100 E minimum.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2769797]Did rates double in Munich, Cologne, Berlin, and Vienna? Or do sex tourists only visit Frankfurt, Germany of all places?[/QUOTE]Seem also increased quite a lot at GT Vienna. Goldengate is at least 30% more expensive than past Bruggen and french kiss is not so standard now. Samya also increased on average.

Everything everywhere increased, not only prostitution. But no where else besides Frankfurt FKK has prostitution price doubled. Blaming on foreigners is stupid since so few foreigners compared to locals in clubs.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2769978]Seem also increased quite a lot at GT Vienna. Goldengate is at least 30% more expensive than past Bruggen and french kiss is not so standard now. Samya also increased on average.[/QUOTE]Just finished the salary negotiation for next year, and I would say the doubled price in shark is more like a made-up of all the price increases that could had taken place over the past years. If we take WGs as the staffs of a company, it's normal they receive a increase each year, like 5-10%. Ofc we won't pay coins or credit card, so those pay raises were "saved" in some way and ignored by everyone. And it's difficult for WGs to push price up overnight. We will say "wtf why I should pay double the price as it was last Friday?" But the covid break just gave WGs (or their pimps) a good opportunities to finally implement this price change, and the time to form an alliance. 100% raise in 15 year results in less than 5% each year, and when the new price structure get stable, it would stay for another 10 years or so. Probably acceptable?

Afterall, the reasons I visited much less after covid is mainly the drop of lineup, there are probably 2-3 sharks girls worthy 100/30 for me and I can't guarantee to catch them.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2770030]We will say "wtf why I should pay double the price as it was last Friday?" But the covid break just gave WGs (or their pimps) a good opportunities to finally implement this price change, and the time to form an alliance. 100% raise in 15 year results in less than 5% each year, and when the new price structure get stable, it would stay for another 10 years or so. Probably acceptable?[/QUOTE]Finally for the customers enough is enough and the tutes and their pimps run it all into the ground from being greedy and thinking they can make it all up all at once. Remember, plenty of organizations can and do go out of business too. There's no guarantee that the FKK model will be around forever. In ten years their goose might be cooked! For God knows whatever reasons that all come together to bring about their demise. Including more meddling politicians!