Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie;1979376]I lived in the Sosua area for a few years and I speak a bit of basic Kreyol, and in my opinion the percentage of hookers in the area who are Haitians is probably less than 25% [/QUOTE]To be fair, the OP wrote "Haitian, or with some Haitian blood". I replied "sure, because the latter category includes most everyone in the country, at least from the social classes that produce hookers".

[QUOTE=Frannie;1979376]I would not give much credence to the article you quote, because politicians and law enforcement in the DR make up numbers to advance political agendas and prejudices.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The basic issue is that whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, the inevitable defense is to point to Haiti and how much worse things are there. This mentality is instilled from junior school upwards.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1979085]Well said, Crypton. We all look forward to reading your detailed, illustrated and up-to-date report tomorrow.[/QUOTE]We cannot brook a know-all who barges in with an utterly callous, and querulous attitude. Punting George had questions too and you wrote in great detail to respond. But his tone was different.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1979415]Exactly. The basic issue is that whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, [/QUOTE]Just to save Oakie a post:

Well why do you continue to live here if you think it is so crappy and dysfunctional? It is a great place. Do not talk about it like that. The chica that I have been taking care of for 8 years always has a smile on her face and a beer in her hand for me when she greets me at the airport.

Just kidding. We know he only comes to the defense of DR when it relates to certain posters. Had me or Wrx said the same phrase he would have been all over it before we could press upload report.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1979372]You said in your other post that you spent half an hour reading, and apparently you covered 8 pages, so you must have found it pretty interesting. It would not take you half an hour to identify which posts were trip reports and which were general discussion.

A quick 5-minute look at your posting history reveals that you have traveled to almost every major mongering spot in the world over the course of several years and have great expertise in mongering, and have written hundreds of posts on ISG and yet only now are you trying to find out for the first time whether you would like to visit the DR, which is one of the most written about destinations covered on ISG.

Quite honestly I doubt whether you would like it, otherwise you would already have been to the DR long ago.[/QUOTE]Frannie,

Yes I have been around in the past but due to a job change my travels have been curtailed during the last 6 years or so. My travels in the past have been opportunistic. Meaning work took me there usually. The reason I looked at DR now is because it's close to where I live, and I have never been there. And it appears it is well set-up for the hobby. Good point about liking or not liking it. That is precisely what I was looking for on here. Thanks!!

Giama,

Thank you very much for your informative post. I prefer those to sarcastic responses! .

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979452]Just to save Oakie a post:

Well why do you continue to live here if you think it is so crappy and dysfunctional? It is a great place. Do not talk about it like that. The chica that I have been taking care of for 8 years always has a smile on her face and a beer in her hand for me when she greets me at the airport.

Just kidding. We know he only comes to the defense of DR when it relates to certain posters. Had me or Wrx said the same phrase he would have been all over it before we could press upload report.[/QUOTE]While we are in a jocular mood, and to save Charles a post, let me just say that he doesn't live in Sosua, but rather Puerto Plata, a difference which you "conveniently forgot" :)

Charles is very positive mongering advocate and most helpful in his advice to would be mongers coming to his area, and unselfishly even gives of his time to ensure they get on the right track. That said, we have had respectful differences of opinion in the past. The key is respectful.

So, when we talk about a destination for a specific activity, say mongering or archaeology, we can say that Egypt is a "paradise" for that activity, while at the same time an archaeologist who lives there, may well be right iin his view that the country is a dysfunctional shit house!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1979415]... whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, the inevitable defense is to point to Haiti and how much worse things are there. This mentality is instilled from junior school upwards.[/QUOTE]I think you are a little hard on the DR. Compared to the US affordable healthcare, public education, public transportation, affordable Internet, and quality of food probably to the DR, whereas the US wins on quality of roads, drainage, drinking water, plumbing, sewerage management, Internet structure, and cockroach control. I know you will say public education is terrible in the DR, but it may be even worse in the US.

I would say the overall standard of living in Europe is better than than both the US and the DR.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1979350]You and I share the same view of Sosua.

Just about everybody I talk to about it generally agrees. That is why it draws mongers by the plane load, and why many become expats, and wife up locally. There are many well heeled NA and European businessmen who have their choice back at home, FKK clubs, high end hookers, who wife up with a local, or just prefer to keep a local concubine or two.

They keep coming back.

That tells you something about the local ladies.

The ones that only see thieves, drug dealers, and drugged up putas, and scam artists, or believe that Sosua is dead, should move on.

Or look in the mirror :)[/QUOTE]Yeh, I guess because I had no clue about how sosua was in 90's, and 00's. What I don't know don't hurt me, I had a fantastic time. I'm glad I found it I had never met a dominican so you could say I stumbled across it.

It was my first mongering holiday.

My List to do:

More D. R.

Brazil.

Colombia.

Panama.

Costa Rica.

Cuba.

Ethiopia (but need more research).

Its made me a more focused person back home in my city, I work, invest and stack my money. I no longer have to put up with any nonsense from any woman in my city, or make time for any bullshit, I'm even more selective now. So its made me a better business man, I no longer need to chase. That is almost priceless.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979452]Well why do you continue to live here if you think it is so crappy and dysfunctional? It is a great place. [/QUOTE]The answer should be obvious. It is "a great place" for us to visit and to live in precisely because it is crappy and dysfunctional for the great majority of its inhabitants. If it were an efficient democratic country with ample well-paid jobs, good free education and health service, honest police and a low crime rate, most of us could not afford to live here, and would not want to even if we could because the place would no longer be a sea of cheap pussy. The girls in Sweden and Norway are beautiful but they are hardly monger's destinations. The locals there enjoy a high standard of living but I would have to take out a mortgage to buy a beer.

The DR is not unique in that respect. All the favorite low-budget mongering destinations are places with brutal, corrupt governments and desperate poverty.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1979484]I know you will say public education is terrible in the DR, but it may be even worse in the US.[/QUOTE]This is bullshit Frannie. Public education is great in the US. The problem is the bad ass kids who refuse to do their work or even to go to school for that matter. It is mostly due to sorry ass parents. I know this first hand. I was an educator and I have a daughter that I love dearly who followed that same path. Her sorry ass mother never made her do her work or go to school. And they would both fight against me for even suggesting that she do it. In a custody hearing when she was 13, even the judge told her mom that when she turns 16 she can drop out on her own and there is nothing you can do about it. And that is exactly what the fuck happened. My daughter went to great schools and all she did was bring down their numbers.

See, they don't just give an education away. You have to put in work to earn one. And when you can tell me that every student is going to school and doing all of their assignements, but somehow still not receiving a proper education I will not listen to the bullshit.

Just look at some of these videos online of how the kids act in class. I have never seen a video of a teacher not trying to teach, but there are countless ones of students being disruptions so that even those around them that want to learn can not. Did you see what went down in multile shopping centers in the US the other day? That is what we are up against. You can't treat a toothache if the doctors refuse to diagnose it as such. But I do understand that the world needs garbage collectors and toilet scrubbers too. If everyone worked to get their education then there would be nobody left to do the shit jobs. My daughter is now 20 and has been waitressing for the last 4 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979499]This is bullshit Frannie. Public education is great in the US. The problem is the bad ass kids who refuse to do their work or even to go to school for that matter. It is mostly due to sorry ass parents. I know this first hand. I was an educator and I have a daughter that I love dearly who followed that same path. Her sorry ass mother never made her do her work or go to school. And they would both fight against me for even suggesting that she do it. In a custody hearing when she was 13, even the judge told her mom that when she turns 16 she can drop out on her own and there is nothing you can do about it. And that is exactly what the fuck happened. My daughter went to great schools and all she did was bring down their numbers.

See, they don't just give an education away. You have to put in work to earn one. And when you can tell me that every student is going to school and doing all of their assignements, but somehow still not receiving a proper education I will not listen to the bullshit.

Just look at some of these videos online of how the kids act in class. I have never seen a video of a teacher not trying to teach, but there are countless ones of students being disruptions so that even those around them that want to learn can not. Did you see what went down in multile shopping centers in the US the other day? That is what we are up against. You can't treat a toothache if the doctors refuse to diagnose it as such.[/QUOTE]Public education in inner cities and rural areas sucks in the USA, but in the suburbs and in affluent urban areas, it's pretty darn good. It's also true that a major contributor to that divergent experience is also how involved parents are in both setting expectations, and actually getting involved at the detail level in the education of their kids. But single parents who struggle to just provide food and clothes and housing very often simply can't devote the time and effort to that task. And they are often poorly educated themselves, and thus not well prepared to handle that task even if they had the time and inclination to do so. Frankly, the vast difference in the educational experience is for kids in the USA depending upon where and in what home environment that they grew up, is one of the major contributors to how divided a society we presently are in the United States.

And my apologies to Crypton for yet another post that tells him nothing about procuring local pussy on the ground in Sosua.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1979495]If it were an efficient democratic country with ample well-paid jobs, good free education and health service, honest police and a low crime rate, most of us could not afford to live here, and would not want to even if we could because the place would no longer be a sea of cheap pussy. The girls in Sweden and Norway are beautiful but they are hardly monger's destinations. The locals there enjoy a high standard of living but I would have to take out a mortgage to buy a beer.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean CP. I once went to the Christmas market in Denmark and a cup of hot chocolate was $13. That is my water bill for 3 months in Thailand. The more developed countries are great for getting an education and earning a living but they can have the rest of that shit.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1979495] The DR is not unique in that respect. All the favorite low-budget mongering destinations are places with brutal, corrupt governments and desperate poverty.[/QUOTE]The only exceptions to this rule would be Germany and the Netherlands, but these are not TRULY budget destinations for pussy. They just seem so compared to the USA.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1979502]Public education in inner cities and rural areas sucks in the USA, but in the suburbs and in affluent urban areas, it's pretty darn good. It's also true that a major contributor to that divergent experience is also how involved parents are in both setting expectations, and actually getting involved at the detail level in the education of their kids. But single parents who struggle to just provide food and clothes and housing very often simply can't devote the time and effort to that task. And they are often poorly educated themselves, and thus not well prepared to handle that task.[/QUOTE]It is still all bullshit man. First of all there are no single mothers struggling to provide food, housing, and clothing for their kids. If nothing else then we have a welfare system to take care of that. A single father is not getting shit though. And even if I am having a hard time providing those things there is still no excuse for my kid going to class acting an ass and not doing their work. If anything I will encourage my kid to get their education so that they can get out of the shithole. But most people could give a damn about doing better when they are getting free shit for not doing better.

The differece is that kids in suburbs are going to school and getting their lesson. It has nothing to do with where the money is going. I can go to Harvard, which has a lot of fucking money. But if I refuse to pick up my pencil there, you can not blame Harvard for not giving me an education.

And it is correct for the schools in the suburbs to get more money than those in the inner cities. What moron would pour money into somewhere they know it will be wasted because the users of the new books and computers are not going to take care of the shit anyway. I taught in the inner city so you can't bullshit me with this stuff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1979509]It is still all bullshit man. First of all there are no single mothers struggling to provide food, housing, and clothing for their kids. If nothing else then we have a welfare system to take care of that. A single father is not getting shit though. And even if I am having a hard time providing those things there is still no excuse for my kid going to class acting an ass and not doing their work. If anything I will encourage my kid to get their education so that they can get out of the shithole. But most people could give a damn about doing better when they are getting free shit for not doing better.

The differece is that kids in suburbs are going to school and getting their lesson. It has nothing to do with where the money is going. I can go to Harvard, which has a lot of fucking money. But if I refuse to pick up my pencil there, you can not blame Harvard for not giving me an education.

And it is correct for the schools in the suburbs to get more money than those in the inner cities. What moron would pour money into somewhere they know it will be wasted because the users of the new books and computers are not going to take care of the shit anyway. I taught in the inner city so you can't bullshit me with this stuff.[/QUOTE]Mr. Enternational,

in most cases on your post I agree with what you're saying, however I have to break ranks with you on this one I've seen both the Intercity in a row area which I went to school at. If money were not the issue then why do the suburbs schools in the affluent areas pump so much money in their schools who makes no difference how much money is applied to the schools? Yes it may be true that those kids are less motivated and the poor systems however you need other resources to bring those kids up to understand what is needed to achieve a good living it all takes money.