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[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2769797]Did rates double in Munich, Cologne, Berlin, and Vienna? Or do sex tourists only visit Frankfurt, Germany of all places?[/QUOTE]For the same services (BBBJ) :
Frankfurt: 100/30 in all the clubs.
Stuttgart: 100/30 in all the clubs.
NRW: same prices in Samya, Magnum, Mondial and Oceans but less expensive in the other clubs.
Berlin: 90/30 and 160/60.
The idea that tourists are the reasons for the price rise in Sharks is hilariously wrong.
[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2770192]For the same services (BBBJ) :
Frankfurt: 100/30 in all the clubs.
Stuttgart: 100/30 in all the clubs.
NRW: same prices in Samya, Magnum, Mondial and Oceans but less expensive in the other clubs.
Berlin: 90/30 and 160/60.
The idea that tourists are the reasons for the price rise in Sharks is hilariously wrong.[/QUOTE]Point of clarification would be that the 50 euro service is still available in NRW. It is just that some girls upcharge for BBBJ and most do not charge an extra 50 euro. Berlin was already 60 euro to begin with for basic, so not doubling like the Sharks girls. On the other hand, Sharks / Oase girls are asking for 100 euro outright.
Completely agree with you on the tourist scapegoatism.
[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2770192]For the same services (BBBJ) :
Frankfurt: 100/30 in all the clubs.
Stuttgart: 100/30 in all the clubs.
NRW: same prices in Samya, Magnum, Mondial and Oceans but less expensive in the other clubs.
Berlin: 90/30 and 160/60.
The idea that tourists are the reasons for the price rise in Sharks is hilariously wrong.[/QUOTE]Many German clubs or on border are less expensive: Goldengate, Gold, Penelope, Prime, sauna club Venus, Samya for 1 hour, 6 stuck to Aachen, few girls at Mainhattan and one of the prettiest. Only very few at Sharks worth 100 per 30 for look and level in bed for me, but I found 2, fine for me, when was complicated to manage on Friday night.
[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2770192]For the same services (BBBJ) :
Frankfurt: 100/30 in all the clubs.
Stuttgart: 100/30 in all the clubs.
NRW: same prices in Samya, Magnum, Mondial and Oceans but less expensive in the other clubs.
Berlin: 90/30 and 160/60.
The idea that tourists are the reasons for the price rise in Sharks is hilariously wrong.[/QUOTE]
I would tend agree with you. Secondly, the owners of all these clubs read all the forums, and they ALSO discuss prices and try and balance the best talent and the most clients. Finally these days, prices are always trying to rise. Cost of living is higher, inflation is a key topic, gas went up! To think that a girl wouldn't TRY to raise the prices and talk to a few other girls at the club is also hard to believe. But all that said, Hyperion is right, prices are pretty much across the board even except in the very small local clubs where it is much harder to get more money BUT if you read the local German language boards, a lot of the locals / regulars, tip the girls a tenner or a twenty.
[QUOTE=Faceless78;2770030]Just finished the salary negotiation for next year, and I would say the doubled price in shark is more like a made-up of all the price increases that could had taken place over the past years. If we take WGs as the staffs of a company, it's normal they receive a increase each year, like 5-10%. Ofc we won't pay coins or credit card, so those pay raises were "saved" in some way and ignored by everyone. And it's difficult for WGs to push price up overnight. We will say "wtf why I should pay double the price as it was last Friday?" But the covid break just gave WGs (or their pimps) a good opportunities to finally implement this price change, and the time to form an alliance. 100% raise in 15 year results in less than 5% each year, and when the new price structure get stable, it would stay for another 10 years or so. Probably acceptable?
Afterall, the reasons I visited much less after covid is mainly the drop of lineup, there are probably 2-3 sharks girls worthy 100/30 for me and I can't guarantee to catch them.[/QUOTE]Got many GFE with real French kiss, BBBJ, DATY, rooms for 100/60 on 2021 at Sharks, not 10 years ago, and many with my best Sharks 2021 girl for this rate, when she also didn't have any vote on Youppie election, when she was the most elegant with half German half US black Tessa who was on July 2021. I m so different for my eyes and mind and same on 2022 . When girls use to say I m too picky, frenchie telling: you see everything, but with too expensive rate for level now, I will be even more picky and will go only with wow looks and real GFE for my way for such expensive rate. My 2 discovery are on escort level, Kasper. De coming from escorting in Bavaria. Pretty enough, except my 2 girls, are Kity but not on GFE level, Katalea if she cleaned her face when I don't fantazy on Cleopatra, but I don't think able for GFE enough anymore. Melissa doesn't have anymore pretty face enough. On Saturday, after frenchie, when Kasper. De played ghost not returning when she told she would on Friday night, I couldn't find a second girl among around 100 , not pretty enough for now rate. I prefer to leave full heavy, rather than waste for only average. But Sharks is better for me since few weeks, when was low level for looks on most of 2022.
[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2770212]Point of clarification would be that the 50 euro service is still available in NRW. It is just that some girls upcharge for BBBJ and most do not charge an extra 50 euro. Berlin was already 60 euro to begin with for basic, so not doubling like the Sharks girls. On the other hand, Sharks / Oase girls are asking for 100 euro outright.
Completely agree with you on the tourist scapegoatism.[/QUOTE]On 2021 , almost no tourists and many girls and among prettiest were for 100/60 with GFE and real kissing at Sharks. On 2022 , at least 100/30 , lower looks on average, Angela gained much weight, Melissa lost freshness for face, Liv with teeth, and most girls now not even really kissing for double rate, like Kity, Bibi before, new Viki. Only high looks can worth 100/30 when can find escorts in Germany for 150/60 . Few girls at Mainhattan and many clubs in NRW are for 50/30 to 65/30 with BBBJ and quite usual french kissing. Hessen is more expensive for lower level on average. Fortunately, can sometimes find beauties, then just have to make them good for You.
[QUOTE=Tintin1;2770269]I would tend agree with you. Secondly, the owners of all these clubs read all the forums, and they ALSO discuss prices and try and balance the best talent and the most clients. Finally these days, prices are always trying to rise. Cost of living is higher, inflation is a key topic, gas went up! To think that a girl wouldn't TRY to raise the prices and talk to a few other girls at the club is also hard to believe. But all that said, Hyperion is right, prices are pretty much across the board even except in the very small local clubs where it is much harder to get more money BUT if you read the local German language boards, a lot of the locals / regulars, tip the girls a tenner or a twenty.[/QUOTE]Issue for club owners is finding enough girls. I was speaking with a Samya manager and he was telling me about this dilemna. So many girls quit and not many have entered the market. Facts are that Romania has been in the EU for 15 years now and has been a capitalistic society for over 30 years. Money has flown into Romania for decades despite the official listed low wages. A pay bump is completely warranted and long time coming. Romanian girls in Western Europe do not look at a 50 euro note and see riches like they used to 15 years ago. We're going to have to understand this reality before taking an informed position on this price problem.
My personal stance is that a 20-30% increase is warranted but a 100% increase prices these girls out of high volume markets.
This conversation that continues about the girls and pricing level is never going to go away. The truth to the fact is 50 euro for 30 minutes is a German standard and it was a German policy so that it hedges against inflation for seniors to enjoy. With this advent of the internet and the spread of information you have these retard tourists that thinks they know everything come and destroy a paradise.
I know what it's like to lose. Germans have lost World War I and World War II but they have built back a stronger nation for understanding how to set policies and procedures that will protect the nation as a whole.
Most of us locals are here to defend what we feel is right, but yet to lose to the upselling in the past year (2022). I have seen many newer girls sit on the sidelines while the older girls are busy in rooms. The locals are still paying the pre-COVID rates and the girls that have been in the business will continue to service the locals at pre-covid rates.
The first thing you must understand is that the newer girls are not accustomed to negotiations therefore they will immediately back off. If you had been a loyal customer for years your girl will try her best to accommodate you and to provide you with excellent service for pre-COVID price because they know that you are a repeat customer and a regular.
For those that flout their wealth from USA, they come to FKK for 3 to 4 days and are likely to spend more money because they value their time and and like to maximize their effectiveness and efficiency in FKK. The reason why is they chose FKK because they have destroyed their own industry through liberal politics, feminist movements and equal pay, and woke thinking. They come into a new system that has been built up by German locals to protect the industries and knowingly that they are getting a better bargain and being able to enjoy paradise they come and seek to destroy what German locals have established for more than 20 years.
I will bring to management attention that all foreigners must pay triple to enter the club. We shall pass the burden onto foreigners through taxes. The excess fees collected will be passed to the girls in the form of lower entrance fees. The intended purpose is to reduce the cost for the girls so that they can go back to charging €50 for 30 minutes. I believe in US an out of state student must pay more at a State run college. This same concept should apply to foreign entities coming into FKK.
[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2769797]Did rates double in Munich, Cologne, Berlin, and Vienna? Or do sex tourists only visit Frankfurt, Germany of all places?[/QUOTE]No but the main airport is FRA, and this is probably where most of the [U]pure[/U] sex tourists fly to, because Frankfurt Airport offers the widest selection of cheapest flights, especially long haul flights from the US and Asia. Renting a car and driving from Frankfurt all the way to Munich and Berlin is probably too much hassle for most of these sex tourists, they are on a budget and they want the cheapest hotel and the cheapest flight and the shortest train-taxi ride to the nearest FKK club, and only focus on visiting the big clubs (Palace, Sharks, Mainhattan, Oase etc) in the greater Frankfurt area. Only a handful of these tourists venture out to NRW, but that's about it, hardly enough to make an impact. By the way, what I mean with [U]pure[/U] sex tourists are men that fly to Germany with the [U]sole purpose[/U] of fucking WGs.
I recently visited FKK Paradise in Saarbruecken, and guess what: prices were only 60 Euros for 30 minutes, but then again, almost no Americans or Asians could find Saarbruecken on a map so they don't go there to spoil prices. LOL! Paradise is full with French, but most continental Europeans tend to not overpay or pay stupid amounts in "tips" (in other words they respect the local traditions and culture) and the relatively modest price increase from 50 to 60 Euros (20%) is more than enough to cover for inflation.
Just look at this forum: almost all clubs that people report on are located in the Frankfurt area + perhaps Artemis in Berlin + Acapulco Gold in NRW. With the unfortunate destruction of GT and the demise of LR you hardly see any NRW clubs in the top 5 of new posts on ISG, The fact that GT's 'successor' club Oceans is a [U]total tourist trap[/U] with rip-off pricing again underscores my point. As an example, a few years ago I remember paying only 25 Euros for a CIM in GT, when the going rate was already 50 in Sharks.
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Completely agree with you on the tourist scapegoatism.[/QUOTE]Of course, because you are ALL tourists! LOL!
[QUOTE=SobeLizard;2770507]I know what it's like to lose. Germans have lost World War I and World War II but they have built back a stronger nation for understanding how to set policies and procedures that will protect the nation as a whole. I will bring to management attention that all foreigners must pay triple to enter the club. We shall pass the burden onto foreigners through taxes. The excess fees collected will be passed to the girls in the form of lower entrance fees. The intended purpose is to reduce the cost for the girls so that they can go back to charging 50 for 30 minutes. I believe in US an out of state student must pay more at a State run college. This same concept should apply to foreign entities coming into FKK.[/QUOTE]History has clearly shown that they are a lose-lose proposition for all concerned. Yep, you really do know what it's like to lose.
At least 5 pages of rants about prices and trying to find a scapegoat.
During this time there were more than 100 girls last weekend in Sharks and they were busy and the men happy.
[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2770547]At least 5 pages of rants about prices and trying to find a scapegoat.
[/QUOTE]To be fair, every thread is about prices.
Being a monger isn’t as cheap as it used to be, even just 5 years ago.
[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2770547]At least 5 pages of rants about prices and trying to find a scapegoat.
During this time there were more than 100 girls last weekend in Sharks and they were busy and the men happy.[/QUOTE]Both french but we don t have same eyes when many girls were not at all busy on Friday evening night and Saturday. Ask Melissa if she is so busy, or Katalea who needs to hunt to get business. I didn t see Kasper. De having any room on Friday night, probably too expensive when at least 200/60 but really french kissing. Even frenchie was not impossible to get and so welcoming. Kity, Alina and Sabina were asian lucky on Saturday, I was happy for friendly Alina and Sabina. Many guys but only time to wait for room on Saturday evening, not in the afternoon nor Friday night. Because of too expensive for many guys, when I prefer to pay 200/60 for high looks than 100/30 for average. Crowd don t mean good business for most girls. Turkish prefer bottles.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2770529]No but the main airport is FRA, and this is probably where most of the [U]pure[/U] sex tourists fly to, because Frankfurt Airport offers the widest selection of cheapest flights, especially long haul flights from the US and Asia. Renting a car and driving from Frankfurt all the way to Munich and Berlin is probably too much hassle for most of these sex tourists, they are on a budget and they want the cheapest hotel and the cheapest flight and the shortest train-taxi ride to the nearest FKK club, and only focus on visiting the big clubs (Palace, Sharks, Mainhattan, Oase etc) in the greater Frankfurt area. Only a handful of these tourists venture out to NRW, but that's about it, hardly enough to make an impact. By the way, what I mean with [U]pure[/U] sex tourists are men that fly to Germany with the [U]sole purpose[/U] of fucking WGs.
I recently visited FKK Paradise in Saarbruecken, and guess what: prices were only 60 Euros for 30 minutes, but then again, almost no Americans or Asians could find Saarbruecken on a map so they don't go there to spoil prices. LOL! Paradise is full with French, but most continental Europeans tend to not overpay or pay stupid amounts in "tips" (in other words they respect the local traditions and culture) and the relatively modest price increase from 50 to 60 Euros (20%) is more than enough to cover for inflation.
Just look at this forum: almost all clubs that people report on are located in the Frankfurt area + perhaps Artemis in Berlin + Acapulco Gold in NRW. With the unfortunate destruction of GT and the demise of LR you hardly see any NRW clubs in the top 5 of new posts on ISG, The fact that GT's 'successor' club Oceans is a [U]total tourist trap[/U] with rip-off pricing again underscores my point. As an example, a few years ago I remember paying only 25 Euros for a CIM in GT, when the going rate was already 50 in Sharks.[/QUOTE]No Americans or Asians visit Munich, Stuttgart, or Hamburg clubs yet they have been the most expensive cities for FKK for quite some time.
Tourist theory fails.