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[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1980402]The Tainos were all but exterminated long before 99.9% of Dominican ancestors arrived in the country. There simply was not time for them to make any appreciable genetic contribution.

[/QUOTE]By 1514, barely two decades after first contact, an official survey showed that 40 percent of Spanish men had taken Indian wives. The unofficial number is undoubtedly higher.

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It is undoubtedly true that many Taino died from smallpox, measles and other European imported diseases, but it seems likely that quite a few Taino genes survived in the mixed population of ensuing decades, and it is also very like that Tainos communicated syphilis to their benefactors as syphilis first mysteriously appeared I'm Europe in Naples around 1495 triggering a massive continent-wide epidemic in a population that had low resistance--this epidemic lasted hundreds of years in Europe. So those Dominican women have been femmes fatales for quite a long time.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1980469]By 1514, barely two decades after first contact, an official survey showed that 40 percent of Spanish men had taken Indian wives.[/QUOTE]Took wives or took pussy? "Upon arrival at La Navidad in the second voyage, Columbus found the fort burned to the ground and all 39 of the men he had left behind had been killed. It seems the sailors left behind had "misbehaved" as our history books tell it, but their "misbehaving" was in often in the form of raype of the local women and children and theft of anything they saw that they wanted. "
[QUOTE=Frannie;1980469]It is undoubtedly true that many Taino died from smallpox, measles and other European imported diseases[/QUOTE]
Let's not forget they also died from murder. They were not as willing to work the gold mines of La Vega as one would think. "Columbus vowed to find Caonabo and retaliate. From that point on, life as the Taino knew it ended. Columbus forced all of them over the age of 14 to work in the gold mines searching for gold for the Spaniards. Those who refused were killed. Those who did not make their quota of gold had their hands cut off and were left to bleed to death. Taino women were given to Spaniards to do with whatever they wished. "

Mr. Charles Pooter.

I would have expected from somebody who calls other people's post crap (which probably it is) more facts (the Spanish didn't kill most of the Tanos, the diseases did), less opinions (the only progressive period was under Haitian rule) and stronger arguments than "We who live in the area have already nailed that lie" (I don't know a single expat in Dominican Republic, but in general expats don't know much about the country they are living in. The reasons they move to another country are usually work, climate, cheap beer, cheep pussy etc. Rather than language, local culture and history. Very seldom they bother to learn the local language). I have always valued your knowledge of DR, but this time you disappointed me.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1980481]I would have expected from somebody who calls other people's post crap (which probably it is) more facts (the Spanish didn't kill most of the Tanos, the diseases did), less opinions (the only progressive period was under Haitian rule) and stronger arguments than "We who live in the area have already nailed that lie" (I don't know a single expat in Dominican Republic, but in general expats don't know much about the country they are living in. The reasons they move to another country are usually work, climate, cheap beer, cheep pussy etc. Rather than language, local culture and history. Very seldom they bother to learn the local language). I have always valued your knowledge of DR, but this time you disappointed me.[/QUOTE]Discouraging to embark on a new year bearing the weight of your disapproval, Nordico, but I shall battle bravely on.

1) [I]the Spanish didn't kill most of the Tanos, the diseases did[/I].

I do not see that it makes much difference whether they were murdered by Spanish bullets or swords, or by Spanish diseases.

2) [I]the only progressive period was under Haitian rule[/I].

I am referring only to the beginning of the unification, when the Haitians were invited to rule by the liberal faction in the civil war between Spanish factions. They abolished slavery and broke up large estates to give small-holdings to the ordinary people. I cannot think of any other period in Dominican history when there was such a progressive government. (No doubt the 1965 Bosch government, the first ever democratically elected, would have tried, but they were soon overthrown by the US, which installed a puppet regime). Of course the unified Hispaniolan government was resisted and eventually overthrown by the Spanish former landowners (with foreign help) whose descendants have remained in power ever since and have undermined any attempts at real democracy. History is always written by the winners, so of course they have distorted the truth about Haitian rule to justify their own racist kleptocracy.

3) [I]I don't know a single expat in Dominican Republic, but in general expats don't know much about the country they are living in.[/I].

One thing mongers in Sosua (and they are the group we are discussing, not expats in general) do know about is the puta scene in Sosua. And they would laugh (some of us already have) at any claim that haitianas comprise anything like 60% of the putas in Sosua. In First World countries we say, "Do not believe everything you read in the press". In the DR it is more like "Do not believe anything you read in the press".

Happy New Year to all my readers!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1980473]Took wives or took pussy? "Upon arrival at La Navidad in the second voyage, Columbus found the fort burned to the ground and all 39 of the men he had left behind had been killed. It seems the sailors left behind had "misbehaved" as our history books tell it, but their "misbehaving" was in often in the form of raype of the local women and children and theft of anything they saw that they wanted. "

Let's not forget they also died from murder. They were not as willing to work the gold mines of La Vega as one would think. "Columbus vowed to find Caonabo and retaliate. From that point on, life as the Taino knew it ended. Columbus forced all of them over the age of 14 to work in the gold mines searching for gold for the Spaniards. Those who refused were killed. Those who did not make their quota of gold had their hands cut off and were left to bleed to death. Taino women were given to Spaniards to do with whatever they wished. "[/QUOTE]The quotation about 40% of Spanish immigants having taken Taino wives refers to a date 22 years after the first voyage, long after Columbus was dead. Although Columbus discovered a very interesting place that he believed was off the coast of Asia, (and on this third visit passed along the coast of Panama and close to South America, he never knew of the existence of the Pacific or of South America) his sponsors back home were not so impressed and wanted a return on their investment, hence the desperate efforts to go for the gold, which was in short supply in river beds as they had not yet discovered the huge gold deposits of Pueblo Viejo which even with modern technology Barrick Gold is finding hard to expoit profitably. [URL]http://www.mining.com/barrick-braces-for-up-to-3-billion-in-writedowns/[/URL] Coumbus was in fact arrested, stripped of his title of Governor, and taken back to Spain in chains for his failure to produce the expected riches, though he was subsequently released.

Anyway, the point is, if this information is correct I would think that there would be a higher amount than 3% of Taino DNA floating around in the DR at the present day. One study reported that 15% of Dominicans have Native American mitochondrial DNA that is not found elsewhere, compared to 30% in Cuba, and as many as 60% in Puerto Rico. Of course there will also be a fair number of people in the DR who also share some kind of Puerto Rican ancestry. [URL]https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/indigenous-puerto-rico-dna-evidence-upsets-established-history/[/URL].

The interesting thing is that these people's DNA shows that they are not descended from male Tainos, supporting the theory that Spaniards "married Tainos". Columbus notoriously said, on encountering the Tainos, that they could be converted to Christianity and made into slaves, so it is likly that these were Christian marriages in some sense. Given the cruel treatment of Tainos, it is easy to forget that Columbus was an extremely religious man who believed he was going about God's work.

Think what you like about Columbus, he was an amazingly good sailor and navigator who had bad info. He estimated the size of the Atlantic Ocean based on information contained in the Bible, a book subsequently shown to be extremely inaccurate. Reading that God created the world in seven parts, six of them dry land and the seventh water, he thought the distance from Portugal to Japan was about 2400 miles, one seventh of the world's circumference, which was way, way off.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1981108]Jesus-tap-dancing-christ!

Any trip reports?[/QUOTE]I tripped on the sidewalk in front of Rumba bar last year when the sidewalk was wet from rain, but since then I have managed to stay upright by having a chica on each arm to support me. I didn't know it was mandatory to file an incident report.

Word is that a guest at Hotel Sosua Sunrise was the victim of a theft. Apparently, the safe was taken from his room. The broken safe was found on the playa, but missing from it were an iPhone, iPad, and $500. The hotel's night security was implicated in the theft and has been arrested.

10 weeks and I will be a weekend warrior in Sosua. Looking forward to a good trip. Only worry is avoiding the regular chicas who act like they own a piece of you. In 2016 I made 4 trips to Sosua. I got to the point where every step I made I was running to some one who had shared my bed. The weekend brings the fresh girls from all over the island. I was able to book a flight for 510 dollars to POP. Not bad for high season.

The mayor of Sosua blames Black tourists in large numbers coming to Sosua seeking prostitutes as the reason for the decline of Sosua. If you go to 11:16 of this video, and you understand spainish you will here her explanation on the reason for the decline of Sosua as a tourist destination. Now, you know exactly who they want out of Sosua. Again, do not shoot the messenger. I am just giving you the information and how they feel about a certain group coming to Sosua:

[URL]https://youtu.be/a7aiJEoialE[/URL]

The date on that video is Aug 5, 2015 in youtube. Old news. It's been over a year. Prostitution is still legal in the Dominican Republic. The change is in style not substance.

[QUOTE=Revere;1981788][URL]https://youtu.be/a7aiJEoialE[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1980322]Rents are much cheaper, though you have to watch that you are comparing like for like. I live in a sizable ground-floor middle-class Dominican apartment, five minutes form the seafront, which costs me approx US $210 per month. On the other hand, we were partially flooded three times during the recent heavy rainy period and my neighbors just shrugged their shoulders. Par for the course here. Basic local foods are a bit cheaper. But everything imported is 150% to 200% more expensive. Doctors, dentists, etc are much cheaper (but of variable reliability) but branded medicines are 150% to 200% more expensive. And so on. Very hard to make like for like comparisons, but "ten times" would be a great exaggeration for the DR. Even the pussy is not "ten times" cheaper. Not with guys paying 3000 pesos for short-time in Sosua. What do other guys think?[/QUOTE]Santo Domingo, Las Vegas and San Diego are my home ports. In Santo Domingo, I have created a lifestyle that cannot be duplicated in either Las Vegas or San Diego for the same money. I cannot make direct comparisons, but the food here is better (at least for me). I have found if you goto the right medical facilities the doctors are on a equal quality level as the US. Oh and the Dominican rum here is much cheaper and of higher quality than in the US.

"DRAM" Says in their song Broccoli: "Ain't no telling' what I'm finna be on (ayy, ayy) I'm beyond all that fuck shit! Hey, Hey little' mama, would you like to be my sunshine?

And that's it for me right there! Sunshine and little' mamas.

[QUOTE=Revere;1981788]The mayor of Sosua blames Black tourists in large numbers coming to Sosua seeking prostitutes as the reason for the decline of Sosua. If you go to 11:16 of this video, and you understand spainish you will here her explanation on the reason for the decline of Sosua as a tourist destination. Now, you know exactly who they want out of Sosua. Again, do not shoot the messenger. I am just giving you the information and how they feel about a certain group coming to Sosua:

[URL]https://youtu.be/a7aiJEoialE[/URL][/QUOTE]I have been coming to Sousa since 2009, and Sousa has never really been a real tourist destination. If so what are the attractions? The Beach? I know most of the tourist go to Punta Cana. Sousa has always been a working girl mongering destination. If they want Sousa to be a tourist attraction, they need to fix the infrastructure and at least build some attractions. There is nothing glamour about Sousa besides the beach of course. Also blaming black American tourist is not the problem. I have seen black tourist in Sousa since I started going in 2009. The Think the mayor needs to embrace the working girl mongering crowd instead of doing crackdowns. The crackdown is the real reason tourism is down in Sousa. I use to go to Sousa like 5 Times a Year, Now you hardly see me in Sousa like that, because of the crackdown and with the crackdown a lot of girls don't come to Sousa, and the quality is way down, only hardcore putas.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1980322]Even the pussy is not "ten times" cheaper. Not with guys paying 3000 pesos for short-time in Sosua. What do other guys think?[/QUOTE]Let me kick some useful information on having sex with women here the Dominican Republic into your eyeholes.

Mr. Pooter everything is relative. Posters on this forums clown me all the time about the money I spend. They take the position that Non-Pros are more expensive than Pros. But when I dispute their assertions they have a collective apoplectic fit. Now I don't live in Sosua. There are others in the critical crew that can provide more insight into this issue.

In Santo Domingo, I have a non-pro that lets me fuck for 2000 pesos a month. Not a typo. She has a job. She is supporting her family yet she has no kids. All she wants is a little money she can spend on herself each month. She's on call for me. She is a three hole ho. She swallows and let's me bust on her face. Tourist economy versus gringo that lives here. You don't have to be in order to have a great time here (Santo Domingo).

Don't hate the player. If you must hate, hate the motherfucking game!

[QUOTE=KConstant;1981627]Word is that a guest at Hotel Sosua Sunrise was the victim of a theft. Apparently, the safe was taken from his room. The broken safe was found on the playa, but missing from it were an iPhone, iPad, and $500. The hotel's night security was implicated in the theft and has been arrested.[/QUOTE]Have a trip in February I was trying to get through to Willfried for a rez and never got a reply. I'm guessing this incident somehow is the reason. I'm about a heartbeat away to saying fuck Sosua.

[QUOTE=Lakeside32;1981858]Have a trip in February I was trying to get through to Willfried for a rez and never got a reply. I'm guessing this incident somehow is the reason. I'm about a heartbeat away to saying fuck Sosua.[/QUOTE]Might be a couple of reasons for that. First, February is very much the high season in Sosua. If you didn't get a reply it might be because the hotel doesn't have any vacancy to accommodate your reservation. Second, it's my understanding that Wilfried went through hip replacement surgery relatively recently, so if he's still recuperating, that might be why he missed your e-mail. Per TripAdvisor, there are 34 hotels in Sosua. My vote is for Casa Valeria, as that is where I stayed during my week in Sosua.

As far as the security guard stealing the safe and the contents of it, Sosua is a small place, and word will get around pretty quickly. His name will be Mud and he'll be lucky if he can get a job picking up trash in the streets.