Angeles City

Today I fucked an 18 year Old from pinalove.

No Baby, no belly, no pussy smell.

She had really big boobs. So big that they were saggy already a bit. Never seen that before here.

I offered her 1 k ST, which She refused. She wanted 2 k, but we settled for 1,5 k St.

She arrived in a white dress and had braces. So sweet. Almost skinny.

Quick shower and then BBBJ. She did Real nice Deep throat. She was 18 But I could swear She was in the buiss for years.

Fucked here mish, then doggy. In doggy I noticed hemorrhoids outside her ass. That Was not so Nice.

So I fucked her laying On side from behind.

Everything BBFS of course. Condom Was never mentioned. She was wet And I enjoyed her [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] snatch for some Time.

Then I wanted to cum on her Little ass But this Little **** went away, so I had to cum on my belly.

Was ok for 1,5 k only because she was 18 years Old.

But will not do her again, because this was too professional and to distanced for me.

Missed the GFE.

I brought a "good girl" back on a fiance visa, had 90 days to get married to her. Ended up sending her back. No love. Sex, not that great. Within 60 days she started telling me what to do. LOL. Glad I sent her back.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2704162]I hate that pussy smell, but worse is when you get their arse hole smell while doggy fucking. I told one regular she needed to wipe her arse hole with Tucks medicated pads, and she did, after that it was better. [/QUOTE]If only they made products to fix these situations. Wipes, or a douche kit. Products that could be purchased in your own country, or in Phils on Lazada or Shopee (or the pharmacy) for just a few bucks. If only.

It never hurts to clean the girl inside first, then shower with her beforehand to make sure all the parts get a fresh scrub. Consider it a part of the fun. You get any FL, or bargirl early in her shift, and there's a chance that she's been seeded / vaxxed by her boyfie (or Doctor Westy) an hour or two prior. You got to catch 'em, clean 'em, and fry 'em. In that order.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2704870]I brought a "good girl" back on a fiance visa, had 90 days to get married to her. Ended up sending her back. No love. Sex, not that great. Within 60 days she started telling me what to do. LOL. Glad I sent her back.[/QUOTE]While many of our 'good girl' fiancee visa stories might sound bad, *almost all* of our bar girl stories would sound bad. You mentioned both 'good girl' and 'bar girl'. Which is it?

So back in AC and was too tired to do a LT with a bar girl. Decided to wander the alleys and see what the street had to offer. In the alley off A Santos is where the street girls seem to congregate. But unlike in other countries where the pimps tend to stay out of sight, here groups of girls sit with their mama sans. Talked to a few, and even saw a ST bar girl I fucked before but now in the street. One mama san had 4 girls to choose from. Asked the price and she said 2 K. I just gave her a WTF look and she asked how much ID pay. I took a flyer and said 1 K, expecting some push back. But to my surprise she said fine. I chose the cutest of the lot. I could tell though that she wasnt happy with the price but mama told her to go so she did. In my mind I was going to give her 500 tip anyway for the normal 1. 5 K short time.

But in the room she just wasnt into it. She asked about condom, I said no but she fished one out her bag anyway. She kept covering her body with a towel and then refused a BJ. At this point I stopped and told her that this wasnt done. She said something about 1000 Peso not being enough. So I had two choices here. Send her on her way with trike money or try to turn the situation. I didn't want to venture out again. So I told her I was planning to tip her 500 but she needed to make me happy. That is proper BJ, BBFS etc. She agreed and did deliver the agreed services, albeit not with great enthusiasm.

So after all it was 1500 for a basic ST, which is the market rate anyway. In the end she could see I was less than thrilled and tried to turn on the cuteness a bit but I wasnt into it anymore. So the lesson is, even if they accept the bargain basement rate, the poor attitude is not worth 500 Peso. Just offer 1500 and everyone will be happy.

I've been watching many YT vlogs and reading many ISG posts on AC in anticipation of my 1st visit to PH in July. Almost all of the posts here and on YT lead me to think that unlike P Burgos / Makati, the BF paid in AC bars includes full service with no additional tip REQUIRED. Though a small tip of 100-300 pesos is typical for good service.

Now I just saw the linked Vlog below. This vlogger went into several Walking street bars and recorded BF, Mamasan tips, and lady drink costs in addition to what appears to be a mandatory additional fee of 1 k pesos when the girl leaves your room. Can anyone verify if this is the current (I suppose we can call it "Post-COVID) practice and expectation?

[URL]https://youtu.be/H1x4GVyJrpo[/URL]

Thanks for any feedback.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2705231]I've been watching many YT vlogs and reading many ISG posts on AC in anticipation of my 1st visit to PH in July. Almost all of the posts here and on YT lead me to think that unlike P Burgos / Makati, the BF paid in AC bars includes full service with no additional tip REQUIRED. Though a small tip of 100-300 pesos is typical for good service.....[/QUOTE]Correct.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2705231]Now I just saw the linked Vlog below. This vlogger went into several Walking street bars and recorded BF, Mamasan tips, and lady drink costs in addition to what appears to be a mandatory additional fee of 1 k pesos when the girl leaves your room. Can anyone verify if this is the current (I suppose we can call it "Post-COVID) practice and expectation?

[URL]https://youtu.be/H1x4GVyJrpo[/URL]

Thanks for any feedback.[/QUOTE]The video includes all the newbie traps: there are no compulsory tips to wait staff or mamasans; only an idiot would routinely tip girls 2 k; the barfines listed are mostly inflated.

No need to be a Cheap Charlie but go with your numbers above and you will be fine.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2705231]I've been watching many YT vlogs and reading many ISG posts on AC in anticipation of my 1st visit to PH in July. Almost all of the posts here and on YT lead me to think that unlike P Burgos / Makati, the BF paid in AC bars includes full service with no additional tip REQUIRED. Though a small tip of 100-300 pesos is typical for good service.

Now I just saw the linked Vlog below. This vlogger went into several Walking street bars and recorded BF, Mamasan tips, and lady drink costs in addition to what appears to be a mandatory additional fee of 1 k pesos when the girl leaves your room. Can anyone verify if this is the current (I suppose we can call it "Post-COVID) practice and expectation?

[URL]https://youtu.be/H1x4GVyJrpo[/URL]

Thanks for any feedback.[/QUOTE]It's a start point for negotiations.

Currently on the ground in AC and it's the standard rates.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2705126]So back in AC and was too tired to do a LT with a bar girl. Decided to wander the alleys and see what the street had to offer. In the alley off A Santos is where the street girls seem to congregate. But unlike in other countries where the pimps tend to stay out of sight, here groups of girls sit with their mama sans. Talked to a few, and even saw a ST bar girl I fucked before but now in the street. One mama san had 4 girls to choose from. Asked the price and she said 2 K. I just gave her a WTF look and she asked how much ID pay. I took a flyer and said 1 K, expecting some push back. But to my surprise she said fine. I chose the cutest of the lot. I could tell though that she wasn't happy with the price but mama told her to go so she did. In my mind I was going to give her 500 tip anyway for the normal 1. 5 K short time.

But in the room she just wasn't into it. She asked about condom, I said no but she fished one out her bag anyway. She kept covering her body with a towel and then refused a BJ. At this point I stopped and told her that this wasn't done. She said something about 1000 Peso not being enough. So I had two choices here. Send her on her way with trike money or try to turn the situation. I didn't want to venture out again. So I told her I was planning to tip her 500 but she needed to make me happy. That is proper BJ, BBFS etc. She agreed and did deliver the agreed services, albeit not with great enthusiasm.

So after all it was 1500 for a basic ST, which is the market rate anyway. In the end she could see I was less than thrilled and tried to turn on the cuteness a bit but I wasn't into it anymore. So the lesson is, even if they accept the bargain basement rate, the poor attitude is not worth 500 Peso. Just offer 1500 and everyone will be happy.[/QUOTE]The Best solution is not to take girls from pimps. I hate that shit.

IT would be better when you offered the pimp 500 p And then later the girl 1000 p.

Believe me this would work out.

But Best to take independent Freelancers and give them 1 k.

They are enough from them, but online and they are happy with 1 k.

One visit me today morning 7 am to take care of my morning wood.

IT was great.

(I'm not Sure if this was a good idea to post openly where we could find them. Not Only mongers are Reading here).

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2705239]The Best solution is not to take girls from pimps. I hate that shit.

IT would be better when you offered the pimp 500 p And then later the girl 1000 p.

Believe me this would work out.

But Best to take independent Freelancers and give them 1 k.

They are enough from them, but online and they are happy with 1 k.

One visit me today morning 7 am to take care of my morning wood.

IT was great.

(I'm not Sure if this was a good idea to post openly where we could find them. Not Only mongers are Reading here).[/QUOTE]Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2705258]Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?[/QUOTE]My 2 cents on this matter is I have been using the dating apps s a test bed to see what is available and market rates.

Pattaya I get plenty of choice for 1000 baht up to 1500 baht with plenty of now condom options and girls are very attractive at that price point. (30-45 usd).

Angles very few girls are of sufficient attractiveness and I have thrown out the 1000 p ST with a 2000 counter and when I saw 2 shot no condom they finally accept. So it is my opinion that the price precovid of 1000 p St to the girl directly is still available. But when you are dealing with mami like in this scenario then the girl would be getting 500-700 p hence her displeasure hence the prices are around 1-1500 p (20 -30 usd).

Given the negligible cost in savings compared to the sheer lack of numbers and quality ID giving thailand the advantage.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2705258]Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?[/QUOTE]Maybe you are right. I understand your Point. But not all are coming from province.

Some are living close. There province is here. Like the independent FL I fucked this morning for 1 k.

They doing this for Sure on their own, without pimp.

[QUOTE=Eequalsmc2;2705270]
Given the negligible cost in savings compared to the sheer lack of numbers and quality ID giving Thailand the advantage.[/QUOTE]Who cares? Then go to Thailand and the Phil Mongers will be happy when you are not here. Less competition for us.

Have fun in Pattaya. Bye.

Recently opened.

I was there at 11 am.

Near Brown Sugar.

1st drink is free.

2nd drink beer was 100 php.

Lady drink beer 300 php.

BF 3 k.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2705258]Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?[/QUOTE]Yes mamasans introduce them to the trade. Once they start working in the clubs they are very happy making money. Some get disillusioned and leave. Those who stay in Angeles make friends and freelance or work in whatever available jobs and on the side hook. Whole cottage industry of freelancers has grown up around Balibago. Some disillusioned mamasans started to manage these girls. You can see many of these girls walking up and down aimlessly looking for somebody to start chatting with them. Many of them did work in the bar, got pregnant and no choice but to be freelancers. When working in the bar there are strict rules regarding working hours, capacity to make money for the bar etc. Mamasans may come across as sweet but I have seen them to act with a iron hand.

Yes, it is cheaper to get freelancers. But most of them are not a LT deal. Bargirls generally stay with you whole night if they like you. If they like you they might stay with you when they are off work. Long time ago they use to get into trouble but nowadays bars have less control on their free days.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2705743]....Many of them did work in the bar, got pregnant and no choice but to be freelancers. When working in the bar there are strict rules regarding working hours, capacity to make money for the bar etc.....[/QUOTE]There are many reasons why girls might drop out of the bar circuit. Some may of their choosing and others not.

I've known several girls become so popular with regular, high spending customers that the bar served no purpose and it actually cost them money to go to work. It made a lot of sense for them to go freelancing.

Alternatively, some girls just get sick of the bars rules. Less of the case now that girls have so much bargaining power but previously they weren't allowed to use phones, minimum drink and BF quotas etc. Some of the penalties were harsh and it wasn't unheard of for a girl to owe the bar money at the end of the month due to fines and mixed quotas.

At the other end, girls are often told to leave due to poor attitude or customer complaints. I knew a pole dancer who was stunning but bat shit crazy. She soon became such a liability for the bar that she was shown the door. The same can happen to girls that get banned from popular hotels or have too many fights with other girls.

Probably the most concern to mongers is issues with drugs or communicable illnesses that can't be cured. Unfortunately, it's not a pretty industry and it's not uncommon to see girls affected by either.

Cheers. G.