Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2303124]There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.

If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.

I plan to travel to Thailand (Pattaya) not because I am homesick but because I like visiting different countries. I fuck everyday in my home country.[/QUOTE]Disagree. Any dude should be able to get a girl in Pattaya, of course. But the best girls in the better clubs can be choosy and will not automatically go out with you if she knows a "better" guy will soon show up. Offering more money may change her mind, but to make her WANT to go with you may indeed take some game. I have seen it happen. And certainly, a "hooker is a hooker" is NOT true. It usually is, but some of those girls are really sweet and if you treat them with respect they can surprise you.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2304370]I presume that this discounted 2-hour rate is also available at other Soi 6 bars, and will ask for it next time I am in Pattaya, as it better suits my session preferences.[/QUOTE]There is no discounted rate. I have always said to bargain with them hoes on Soi 6 for 700 baht. And that was the price you got for paying for 2 hours instead of 1.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2303154]They are all poorly educated prostitutes from poor rural backgrounds. .[/QUOTE]Note true. Been with several who were college girls, simply hooking to make money to pay for school. Another owned lots of property and animals and made bank, but her parents foolishly spent a ton of money and she has to hook to literally save the family farm. She was well educated and smart. Been with others who educated and well off until hubby left her and cut her off. What you say is true in general, but we should never make false assumptions.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2304290]You're buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing for instructions can master. I don't. BTW, I noticed MonkeyPaw disappeared from these threads not very long after two of his "under my wing" punters returned from a few days' time spent with him in Pattaya and neither had reports about "top girls" giving them wonderful sex in the room for any amount of money. In fact, their Field Reports sounded very much like what I'd been saying about Pattaya in general and was slammed for it here. Coincidence? Who cares. But I digress.

[/QUOTE]As one of those two I believe you are referring to, I never said I had much game! I was unable to follow much of his advice as I just can't do what he advised me to do! Thus, we can't blame his theories based on the results I had. But one of his other 'students' who was much younger and had a bit of game took one of the girls who was a disaster for me and said he had a decent time with her. We paid the same and he got better service. Make of that as you will.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2304373]...
A Farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking gogo girls in most gogo bars in Pattaya. Bangkok is a totally different animal where girls will go with anyone.

Bangkok will change within a few years when the Asians start to dominate the gogo bars there as well. Luckily Farang can thank Thermae and Thaniya Road for keeping the Asians busy.[/QUOTE]I will concede this point to a degree; not only do I have eyes that work, they work in all directions. As I look at most of the 50+ year old farangs who live in or monger in Pattaya, they are mostly a mess as well. LOL. Maybe I fit that category, too. Not for me to say. But it does seem to be a match made in heaven between the punters and the available girls. So there are PLENTY of reasons for Top Girls in any bar, Pattaya or Bangkok, to turn away and reject them that have nothing to do with their age alone. I question whether most of them have the cash to barfine and take a go-go bargirl anyway. Or the interest.

Most 50+ year old farangs I have seen mongering in Pattaya would have trouble scoring anything of a sexual nature worth paying for with that 10th best looking girl in Billboard or Butterflies in Bangkok. Not all. Most.

Of course, that would NOT apply to the esteemed 50+ year old farang Pattaya punters on this board.

Anyway, the general profile of a 50+ year old farang on the prowl for a girl in Pattaya is NOT the same as the profile of such a man in Bangkok. I see well put together older farang men in Bangkok bars full of Asian customers, even in Thermae, walking out with very good looking girls. "Top" girls? That's a debatable point. But certainly not old hags or burnouts.

For one thing, in places like Thermae the only thing anyone has to go on is their face, general body proportions, how well they apply make up and their hair style. You don't know what is going on under those clothes. It is quite plausible that the 10th best looking girl in Bangkok's Billboard go-go bar or Butterflies go-go bar tonight is better looking naked after a shower than the 5 best "looking" girls in Thermae on any night. And it is quite likely she is many times better in bed than any of those Thermae girls as well. We also don't know what the farang customer has requested of the girl walking out with him vs what the Asian customer has requested of his girl. So on those counts, one never knows just what a great deal the Asian customers in Thermae are getting by taking the "Top" girls there vs what many more 50+ year old farang men are getting elsewhere in town.

Did you ever wonder why there is no counterpart to Pattaya Soi 6 in Bangkok? One reason is there is no clamor among Bangkok punters for a street full of bars where girls who can't swing more than 700 baht for FS are standing around waiting for a customer of any ethnicity to show up. We can afford more to get better girls who provide better results than that. And, to boot, we can find them showing their wares much more demonstrably in go-go bars without having to take only the "Top" girls to find quality.

Yes ET the general profile of the 50+ year old farang is different between the two places, I agree with that. But I was the same person spending 7 or 8 nights at Nana and dozens of nights at Pattaya Walking Street. In Pattaya compared to two years ago I was really surprised at the number of young asians who have fully embraced our hobby while still in their 20's. Palace practically has the atmosphere of a college party until after 11 PM when many of the barfines are out the door. I fully understand while the hottest girls in Palace and Panda won't barfine with me anymore. Seems like at Nana a lot of gentlemen go for a night of dancing entertainment rather than finding a barfine. So even the hot girls were happy to find a guy wanting that. I'll be spending more time in Bangkok on my next visit.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2304468]The original line was the Japanese had 3" peckers, paid 3000 baht (big at the time) and only lasted 3 minutes.

Japanese do pay over the going rate as they want things their way and prefer not to deal with the dross. That makes eminent sense.

As someone who has bonked a lot of Japanese women, lasting only three minutes has an element of truth in it as they are generally exhausted from working long hours and short holidays.

As regards 3" peckers, I looked up such data a long time ago and dick sixes do not vary all that much. Scoffing at dick sizes goes back at least to the Roman Empire.

A Cambodian hooker told me Khmers have smal dicks but strong as bamboos for bonking.

As Cervantes wrote.

Long and thin.

Goes too far in.

Short and thick.

Does the trick.[/QUOTE]Many men are jealous when Japanese men do better than they do.

I am living in Brazil, my country is known to be the land of the monstercocks, believe me I have seen many small dicks when men consult me in Brazil. Those stereotypes made many people ignorant.

Indian men are cheap and dirty, black men have mostercock and are brutal when they have sex, Asian men have small dicks and don't last long, western men are dumb and not self confident. All these sterotypes mean nothing, only uneducated, ignorant and stupid people believe in it. There are fat people in every race, there are talll people in every race etc. Those stereotypes are bad because that makes farang's mongering experience more difficult. Because unexperienced girls are scared because of the rumor they hear.

Not only Asian men fucked up prostitution, even western men fucked up prostition in Thailand.

Keep your generalization to you.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2304468]The original line was the Japanese had 3" peckers, paid 3000 baht (big at the time) and only lasted 3 minutes.

Japanese do pay over the going rate as they want things their way and prefer not to deal with the dross. That makes eminent sense.

As someone who has bonked a lot of Japanese women, lasting only three minutes has an element of truth in it as they are generally exhausted from working long hours and short holidays.

As regards 3" peckers, I looked up such data a long time ago and dick sixes do not vary all that much. Scoffing at dick sizes goes back at least to the Roman Empire.

A Cambodian hooker told me Khmers have smal dicks but strong as bamboos for bonking.

As Cervantes wrote.

Long and thin.

Goes too far in.

Short and thick.

Does the trick.[/QUOTE]What are you basing any of this on? Lasting 3 minutes doesn't discriminate against race / ethnicity. Physical penis size, sure. I've hooked up with girls in Mexico who have said guys down there don't know how to work it and have less than desirable dicks. Same in Cambodia too. But that stuff isn't worth mentioning.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2304461]Good point! I dislike all the 333 stuff. I suppose it allows some guys to think better of themselves although at the same time it shows those doing the stereotyping in a lesser light. That said however, I do see plenty of NE Asian "gentlemen" making fools of themselves or acting like assholes and this point about stereotyping most definitely does not minimize the very real NE Asian racism directed at us.[/QUOTE]What they don't know is stereotypes are making their mongering experienece worse in Thailand.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2304530]Yes ET the general profile of the 50+ year old farang is different between the two places, I agree with that. But I was the same person spending 7 or 8 nights at Nana and dozens of nights at Pattaya Walking Street. In Pattaya compared to two years ago I was really surprised at the number of young asians who have fully embraced our hobby while still in their 20's. Palace practically has the atmosphere of a college party until after 11 PM when many of the barfines are out the door. I fully understand while the hottest girls in Palace and Panda won't barfine with me anymore. Seems like at Nana a lot of gentlemen go for a night of dancing entertainment rather than finding a barfine. So even the hot girls were happy to find a guy wanting that. I'll be spending more time in Bangkok on my next visit.[/QUOTE]That sounds perfectly logical and does not contradict what I have observed in Pattaya, heard and read several times by others; So there are 3-4 popular go-go bars on Walking Street where the Top Girls in Pattaya work, they get taken quickly by Asian guys and then disappear into the night never to be seen until the next night, if you get to those bars early again.

How many of these Top Girls would you say there are in all of these bars before we get down to just ordinarily attractive girls who might have to settle for going with farangs, some as old as 55 years old? 12? 25?

I guess the part that amuses me is this seemingly magical aura about these Top Girls in Pattaya, being so untouchable by farangs and all.

I have not only been in those go-go bars as early as the hour they open their doors, but I have sat outside them in adjacent restaurants and bars and watched the girls arrive in their street clothes. And I have not seen any girl entering or exiting those bars, alone on the way in and with a customer on the way out, that was better looking than above average girls, not even qualifying as Top Girls, in Bangkok go-go bars.

Every red light district has Top Girls the same way every basket of chicken wings has 3 that are meatier than the rest. It is only a relative term. When I see a so-called Top Girl in a Pattaya Walking Street go-go bar who is such a wowzer in terms of looks, demeanor, attitude and sexiness that a dozen Bangkok go-go dancers in almost any 2 random bars could not match or surpass her, I will definitely post about it here.

At this moment I can only count and recall 1 girl I saw in Pattaya over my recent 7-8 visits that beat as many as, oh, 10 Bangkok girls I could see on any day or night stroll around my neighborhood. She was shopping in the new Terminal 21 mall one afternoon over the past New Years weekend. She was smoking hot. Not common to see a better looking girl anywhere, even in Bangkok. But I have not seen a girl that good looking and sexy going in or out of a Walking Street go-go bar.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2304585]

How many of these Top Girls would you say there are in all of these bars before we get down to just ordinarily attractive girls who might have to settle for going with farangs, some as old as 55 years old? 12? 25?

I guess the part that amuses me is this seemingly magical aura about these Top Girls in Pattaya, being so untouchable by farangs and all. [/QUOTE]This is all highly subjective and depends on your tastes and personal preferences. For me, in the better Walking Street Go Go's, the ratio is roughly 5 to 10 percent of the girls are high quality in looks ie girls I would like to shag. Thus, in a small Go Go like Infinity there might be 2 or 3 girls that I would want. In a larger Go Go like Sensations there might be 4 to 6 hotties. I should add that I don't think the ratio is much different up north in the better BKK Go Go's. Take Twister or Billboard on any given night (early): there are only a few girls at most that I would deem attractive enough to ask over for a drink. So, I think it has always been about the top 10% and I never cared about the rest of the girls in the various lineups although if they are dancing, drinking, and having a good time, it does improve the overall ambiance of the place. And in lesser quality BKK & Pattaya Go Go's, of which some are popular and some are near empty, I can't find one girl I would like to shag. 555.

I will also say this about Pattaya Go Go's: the agency thing has really caught on and if you want quality girls, you almost have to go these bars. The quality drop off from an agency Go Go to an old fashion regular priced Go Go is palpable.

The main reason I prefer BKK over Pattaya is not about the girls. It's about everything else. I prefer the big city with more/better restaurants, more variety, more things to do, and that certain amount of anonymity which is really nice.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2304591]This is all highly subjective and depends on your tastes and personal preferences. For me, in the better Walking Street Go Go's, the ratio is roughly 5 to 10 percent of the girls are high quality in looks ie girls I would like to shag. Thus, in a small Go Go like Infinity there might be 2 or 3 girls that I would want. In a larger Go Go like Sensations there might be 4 to 6 hotties. I should add that I don't think the ratio is much different up north in the better BKK Go Go's. Take Twister or Billboard on any given night (early): there are only a few girls at most that I would deem attractive enough to ask over for a drink. So, I think it has always been about the top 10% and I never cared about the rest of the girls in the various lineups although if they are dancing, drinking, and having a good time, it does improve the overall ambiance of the place. And in lesser quality BKK & Pattaya Go Go's, of which some are popular and some are near empty, I can't find one girl I would like to shag. 555.

I will also say this about Pattaya Go Go's: the agency thing has really caught on and if you want quality girls, you almost have to go these bars. The quality drop off from an agency Go Go to an old fashion regular priced Go Go is palpable.

The main reason I prefer BKK over Pattaya is not about the girls. It's about everything else. I prefer the big city with more/better restaurants, more variety, more things to do, and that certain amount of anonymity which is really nice.[/QUOTE]Tastes are different, I prefer Mediterranean and Middle Eastern looking women. In Southeast Asia, I prefer Vietnamese women. I am sure I can find good looking girls in Pattaya or BangCock but I will need much homework. I checked out many videos about GOGO bar in Pattaya and BangCock. I did not see many good looking girls, I saw some good looking girls mainly with Asian guys. I can't wait to travel to Thailand and enjoy the Thai nightlife. We are all different.

But personality comes first when I choose a girl.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2304626]
But personality comes first when I choose a girl.[/QUOTE]Ok, but I want it all. Good looks are necessary for me to get things started, but not sufficient for me to take a girl out of the bar if she flunks the audition and I would never repeat with a girl, no matter how hot, if she was not good in bed and did not have a pleasing personality. But first things come first and the first thing I see when I look at a bunch of bar girls is their faces and then their bodies. If a girl is not attractive to me there is no point about my finding out about her personality. I guess I miss out on a lot of real nice, plain girls. Oh well. 555, but my repeat girls, and I have a lot of them, are all good looking, sexy, and have real nice personalites. I would not keep seeing them if they did not.

I think you will like LOS. The Go Go's, hostess bars, beer bars, and nightclubs wil give you plenty of opportunities to find girls with real nice personalities. All you have to do is ask one over and buy her a drink to get things started.

Now that the conversation switched to appearance.

Thai girls aren't very attractive in comparison to Korean and Chinese girls if we're comparing Asian girls and their features. There are some Thai girls who are legit 9's and 10's, but most of them scale 5 to 7 overall. Anytime I read about a Thai go go who is considered an 9 or 10, my thoughts are she's probably a 7 overall.

Of course, this is all subjective and another guy can have the opinion that Thai girls are #1 and Chinese girls don't do it for him which is OK.

But in the end, while appearance does matter, as long as the face is at least average or above, that's OK. Greater emphasis is placed on their body which means no baby damage, flat stomach / thin, and at least B cups though preferably bigger (not picky about real or fake in P4P world). Even a place like Billboard in Bangkok that many rave about (deservedly), there aren't any DDG, drop dead gorgeous, girls there aside of 1 or 2 over the course of a year+.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2304630]Ok, but I want it all. Good looks are necessary for me to get things started, but not sufficient for me to take a girl out of the bar if she flunks the audition and I would never repeat with a girl, no matter how hot, if she was not good in bed and did not have a pleasing personality. But first things come first and the first thing I see when I look at a bunch of bar girls is their faces and then their bodies. If a girl is not attractive to me there is no point about my finding out about her personality. I guess I miss out on a lot of real nice, plain girls. Oh well. 555, but my repeat girls, and I have a lot of them, are all good looking, sexy, and have real nice personalites. I would not keep seeing them if they did not.
[/QUOTE]I want it all too, I don't fuck hags. Personality matters to me. They must be sexy. I will see what will happen in Thailand.