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[QUOTE=Turn Around;1125837]Good point. I didn't think of that. The girl could come already fresh and clean to your room though, but I guess it also makes it more comfortable to know 100% that the girl really has taken a shower before the session starts. Maybe this is a reason they do it in your room and not before they arrive? Is it a good idea to also wait with your own shower until the escort arrives? So that she knows you are fresh and clean too? (maybe a good idea)[/QUOTE]The way I see it the girl, if she has just come from another "date", has had at best a quick rinse or a sponge bath. Offering her the shower upon her arrival is mandatory. In my experience most will take it. If they do not, this worries me. It is one of the reason I do not like short, hour long escort sessions.

Your own shower I would take before she arrives. If she cares she will see your wet hair and be reassured. And if yo are not clean, hopefully she will tell you. This is one of the things that does surprise me. If you talk to working girls about their job one of the most common complaints is un-washed customers. That a guy would order an escort, or go to a bordello, un-showered boggles the mind.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1126016]If she cares she will see your wet hair and be reassured.[/QUOTE]I might have a problem with that.

Ahahahaha

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1126034]I might have a problem with that.

Ahahahaha[/QUOTE]I guess that is pretty "hair-ist" of me assuming everyone has hair to wet. But no matter, I think if you come fresh from the shower the girls can tell no matter the state of your nonexistent hair.

Hi.

I had been minded to try out this agency for some time. There is something about their website that makes me feel that they are genuine. Also, I have noticed that there seems to be some continuity as to the girls depicted on their website that is reassuring. Angus has previously mentioned on these pages this little-appreciated and valuable indicator of the success of an agency, and I agree that a firm which manages to retain its girls for a decent period of time is probably a solid outfit whereas one that has a constant turnover of talent is less likely to be reliable.

I had a frank conversation with the girl who answered the phone about which girls can be best relied upon service-wise, and one of the ladies she recommended was Sarah, who was already on my shortlist, so I booked her for 2 hours at a price of 180E all-in. Pricing appears to be varied. Most of the girls offer a discounted 2-hour package, but they don't all charge the same price. I gather that the price range for 120 minutes goes from 160E up to about 200E. I didn't actually get to find out what the tariff for 60 minutes is.

[url]http://www.escortmodelle24.de/escortservice_12.html[/url]

She turned up a little late, and looking several years older than her photos would suggest, but smiling and as friendly-looking as she appears in her pics. She was a bit shy at first (understandably) , but opened up as the session progressed. After 15 minutes of chit-chat, we took a shower together as per my request. She fussed about her hair getting wet sufficiently for me to abandon the love-in in the shower after about 5 minutes, and we hopped into bed.

Sarah was really fun. Sexy, friendly and sufficiently expert in all the crucial departments. BBBJ was slow and sensual; prolonged DATY during which she sooooooo nearly got there, but ultimately didn't; 15 minutes of fucking in cowgirl and mish, in which position we arrived at the customary 'happy ending' exactly one and a half hours after her arrival. A 2nd round was available should I have wanted it, but I was kaput.

All in all, a very good punt indeed.

Just about all of the girls on the website are suggested as being Polish, and I suspect that the general standard of service to be good across the range. New girl Sandra looks especially lovely, but is unproven as yet according to the Hausmutti. She also recommended Nathalie.

I will try this agency again soon. I suspect that they are the genuine article. I am happy to give a positive recommendation for Sarah, although she is not quite as pretty as she is dolled up to be in her pics, nor is she as young as advertised. She told me her real age. She is much closer to 30 than 20.

If anyone else has any experience of any of the girls on this site then I'd be pleased to hear specific tips.

Best.

Charlie

[QUOTE=Charlie 123; 1126954]Just about all of the girls on the website are suggested as being Polish, and I suspect that the general standard of service to be good across the range. New girl Sandra looks especially lovely, but is unproven as yet according to the Hausmutti. She also recommended Nathalie.

I will try this agency again soon. I suspect that they are the genuine article. I am happy to give a positive recommendation for Sarah, although she is not quite as pretty as she is dolled up to be in her pics, nor is she as young as advertised. She told me her real age. She is much closer to 30 than 20.

If anyone else has any experience of any of the girls on this site then I'd be pleased to hear specific tips. [/QUOTE]Sandra used to be called Beata and worked for the agency Sexybesuch.

[url]http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html[/url]

Reports on her were generally good but you should know that she was known for her "Alles Ohne" service. This may steer some off her. Not sure if she still provides this service at her new agency. I can also say that for the past several months I have seen her on a couple of different sites only for a short time. Not sure what this indicates.

AM

[QUOTE=Tonio1; 1090243]I was last week in Berlin and suffered under some backpain.

[url]http://www.siramanee.de/[/url]

Was close to my hotel at Ku'Damm and two girls (Pim and Dao) were present. Both rather small but tested both and they did a good thai massage. Base fare is 50 Euros per hour."Additional services" are of course available but the handjob is included in the base fare (which seems to be good value). Taking of the shirt is ten Euros, BJ 30 Euros and Full service is 40-50 Euros. They speak basic English, have a very clean shower and don't rush customers. Overall a pleasant experience. I hope nevertheless, that next time I'm back in more serious business.[/QUOTE]I tried Siramanee massage last week: nice place, very clean, only one girl so I didn't have any possibility to choose. My girl / lady was not so pretty but neither ugly: we decided for a one hour massage (50 euros) and she began with a strong good massage on my back. After 20 minutes she began to laugh and to caress me on my back, and suddenly we decide to deal for the extras. I paid other 80 euros for everything, BBBJ included, but not CIM. It was a good fucking, even if with a girl not so actractive.

Alleng

In my last visit in Berlin I found, just for chance, a place called Erdbeermund KINO, in Sybelstrasse 14: my previous experience in sex kino was many years ago, in Cascade, where I found some ladies that came to your seats offering some services (h. J. Or be. J. Or sex). In this case, the kino is a very large place, apart for the sex shop, divided in two zones, the hetero and the gay one (that I avoided). The hetero zone was a place made by small theatres and corridors, divided by genres, and three small glory hole cabins. I liked the atmosphere, but I saw only men walking and walking, waiting for something that never happened. My first impression was that the best I could have obtained from that was a self-sex in a theatre, but. Suddenly I saw people moving from the zone of the glory holes: from one of the cabins a couple went out, a man on his sixty and a young girl very very nice, half undressed, a nice ass. The two walked by, followed by five-six men (me included) and went to a theatre, she lied on a sofa and we went all around her, while her man began to lick her pussy. Wow, I was in the best position to offer to her my brother, her husband gave me a condom and she sucked me wild while all the men around touched her everywhere.

Anyway, an experienced like a swinger club (that I know well in Italy) , but in a place where I didn't expect it at all.

I hope to have been useful for you.

Thank you,

Alleng

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1127092]Sandra used to be called Beata and worked for the agency Sexybesuch.

[url]http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html[/url]

Reports on her were generally good but you should know that she was known for her "Alles Ohne" service.

AM[/QUOTE]Angus. As always with his poonographic memory has rightly flagged the issue. Had a look at the website and there are indeed a few others who seem to still be open to it, for a price. That's a rather high price, for which others may also pay dearly. Ohne alles, ohne mich.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1127092]Sandra used to be called Beata and worked for the agency Sexybesuch.

[url]http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html[/url]

Reports on her were generally good but you should know that she was known for her "Alles Ohne" service. This may steer some off her. Not sure if she still provides this service at her new agency. I can also say that for the past several months I have seen her on a couple of different sites only for a short time. Not sure what this indicates.

AM[/QUOTE]'A O' is a real warning bell for me. I wouldn't touch any girl who I knew had offered bareback services at any point in the past.

Thanks for the tip-off. Are you sure that it's the same girl? If so, I will have to cross her off the list.

Best,

Charlie

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1127124]Angus. As always with his poonographic memory has rightly flagged the issue. Had a look at the website and there are indeed a few others who seem to still be open to it, for a price. That's a rather high price, for which others may also pay dearly. Ohne alles, ohne mich.[/QUOTE]Oh dear! Yes, I see that Rita, for example, offers 'GV mit Schutz, mit aufpreis ohne'. She looks like a smackhead in the photos. Clearly one to avoid. I find this 'alles ohne' business to be thoroughly distatsteful personally. Highly irresponsible, both to oneself and the wider community. Decent agencies shouldn't promote unsafe sex, even though there is no doubt a latent demand for such services. On the basis of what I've learnt here today, I shall be striking off this agency from my list altogether (not that they figured very prominently anyway).

I will still continue to use escortmodelle24, but if Angus confirms that the adorable-looking Sandra is indeed Beata of AO fame, then I will be avoiding her.

FWIW, this sort of exchange is about as valuable a resource as one can hope to get on a sex forum. Tips on girls who give great BJ's at cheap prices are extremely useful. A warning about a girl who has in the past taken (and may still be taking) huge risks with her health and that of her clients. This is a higher level of value altogether.

Thanks to both RB and AM for their input. I think that we all should be sharing intelligence of this nature every time such matters come to the attention of any one of us. For my own part, if I should at any point in the future suggest an interest in agency or a particular girl that any of you know or even suspect to have a cavalier attitude to safe sex practices, please let me know.

Let's all be responsible about this issue. Kinky is fine. Unsafe sex is not. It's dangerous to oneself and everybody else. I'm sure that none of us would condone or support sex traffiking. We shouldn't be tolerating bareback sex with prostitutes in the 21st century either.

Best,

Charlie

[QUOTE=Charlie 123;1127131]Let's all be responsible about this issue. Kinky is fine. Unsafe sex is not. It's dangerous to oneself and everybody else. I'm sure that none of us would condone or support sex traffiking. We shouldn't be tolerating bareback sex with prostitutes in the 21st century either.[/QUOTE]This is a touchy issue. My own feeling about it is that we can discuss it without demonizing those who provide the service and those who seek it out. Demonizing the practice just serves to drive it further underground where it can do everybody more damage. This is one thing I really appreciate about the German forums I visit. They are willing to speak about it in the open, thus allowing those who want to avoid it to share the same information as those who want to practice it. Many other forums I have been a member of have had a no-discuss policy on this. If anyone was to mention it he / she was treated like a criminal. It is best to be responsible in one's own behaviour, but you can never control the behaviour of others so why try?

As for Sandra / Beata, yes that is her and as far as I can be certain (without having dipped it in uncovered myself that is) she did provide AO when she was with Sexybesuch. The trouble with AO (besides the obvious) is that it is a rather shadowy extra. Occasionally, as with the girl Rita you mention, it is advertised plainly. More frequently it is offered only in code. I find out about it by visiting the German forums, VB and one that specifically discusses all things related to condom-less sex. Reading this I can see that many, many agencies at the lower price range have at least a couple of girls that offer it. The price for the service anges from €10 to €50. Some girls will offer internal cum shot, but many do not. Though one does wonder how they stop it and how often the guy just goes ahead any way.

I am reluctant to mention here specifically all the girls I have read about who offer the service. I do not use this service myself and so coming from me it is second hand knowledge. Thus it is really at the level of rumor and I would not want to be responsible for spreading false information. To really get a handle on it one needs to go to the forum and try to follow the threads. There you get all the back and forth discussion and see that one can never be sure if a particular girl offers it. Or she might offer it for a while and then stop.

I will say that, as mentioned above, if you are using a low end agency it is better to assume that at least a couple of the girls in that agency offer the service. If you see "GV mit Schutz" in her list, it is doubtful she will offer it. If you see simply "GV" there is a chance she might. But one can never be certain either way I think.

Anyway Charlie, if you are concerned I will say that of the agencies I know you use only one is mentioned at all on the AO forum. KZ is not on the list and neither is the agency that runs Paris (Berlin Escort 24?). One of the difficulties is that many agencies seem to be connected and the girls appear to be more or less interchangeable between them.

The final word is that as we all know this hobby involves some risk. While banging a girl who has in the past provided AO service is troubling, if you yourself practice safe sex your chances of catching anything really serious (The Big One) is still pretty remote. But it is not zero.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1127187]This is a touchy issue. My own feeling about it is that we can discuss it without demonizing those who provide the service and those who seek it out. Demonizing the practice just serves to drive it further underground where it can do everybody more damage. AM[/QUOTE]AM-sorry must really support Charlie123's view here. I've posted about this before, based upon experience of good German doctor friend who works with the scene in Frankfurt. It is just bad bad bad for all concerned. You have a point about when it's in the open, at least you know where to avoid it, and with whom. But it would be far better I think to get it stopped and I'm in favor of the authorities doing so. The nature of what's at stake, and how it works (3 month lag to even know) , and the fact that some mongers have wives and partners, makes it a very big deal. Charlie also right that it's a very important function of the forum to flag it. Hopefully readers will give such options a very short half life. (Even if as Charlie says elsewhere, it's at the British Embassy.).

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1127459]AM-sorry must really support Charlie123's view here. I've posted about this before, based upon experience of good German doctor friend who works with the scene in Frankfurt. It is just bad bad bad for all concerned. You have a point about when it's in the open, at least you know where to avoid it, and with whom. But it would be far better I think to get it stopped and I'm in favor of the authorities doing so. The nature of what's at stake, and how it works (3 month lag to even know) , and the fact that some mongers have wives and partners, makes it a very big deal. Charlie also right that it's a very important function of the forum to flag it. Hopefully readers will give such options a very short half life. (Even if as Charlie says elsewhere, it's at the British Embassy.).[/QUOTE]Well, let's make a law then. While we are at it we can outlaw mongering in general as we all know that it spreads disease. And sex, bad stuff sex, spreads disease. Best outlaw it just to be safe.

Wait, that has been tried hey it makes it worse. Just look at the stats about teen STDs in conservative communities vs more open communities.

This is the last I will say on the subject. As I say and will stand by-unless we can talk about it without making those who chose to search it out into criminals, best not discuss it at all. For those interested it is not that difficult to find out this information through web searches.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1127468]unless we can talk about it without making those who chose to search it out into criminals, best not discuss it at all.

AM[/QUOTE]I'm with AM on this one. Openess / share of information is best. How people use this information is hard to do something about but I think sharing knowledge about this will be more valuable to those who wants to stay away rather than those who wants it (as they actively seeks out, and get this information anyway).

[QUOTE=Turn Around; 1119546]Euphorie Massagen. Massage saloon in Berlin.

[url]http://euphorie-massagen.de/service.html[/url]

Their page looks really good and their services and line of girls seems excellent.

I've search for reports of this place, but all was kind of outdated.

Has anyone been there recently?

I'm particular interested in their prices, it does not say on their page.

(I've sent them an email, but in english, maybe they don't reply.) [/QUOTE]I found out the prices:

Tantra 1 hour 90, 00 Euros.

Tantra / Spanish 1 hour 90, 00 Euros.

Tantra / Optical 1 hour 90, 00 Euros.

Blind Date 1 hour 120, 00 Euros.

Tantra Duett 1 hour 180, 00 Euros.

About the fantasy massage they told me:

"the price for 1 hour fantasy massage is 120 euros. Its all about the fantasy of the woman who gives you the massage. For more infos you can take a look on our website. There you ll find also an english explaination."

Well, I tried both the german page (with translation through google) and the english page and the page does not give much information what this massage is about.

This is what it says:

"Fantasiemassage. überraschend.

Wir erfühlen Ihre erotischen Fantasien und halten bei Bedarf Outfits füare Sie bereit."

Anyone know what this is about? They massage you and maybe change into a lot of different sexy lingerie?

Something like visual tease?

Also still wondering: If an escort spends the night with you in the hotel room, do you have to change reservation to 2 persons? (what happens if you do not and they find out a girl was there all night?)

What about 1-2 hours escort visit during daytime, do you have to arrange something with the hotel?

(sorry, but never done this before)

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1127468]Well, let's make a law then. While we are at it we can outlaw mongering in general as we all know that it spreads disease. And sex, bad stuff sex, spreads disease. Best outlaw it just to be safe.

AM[/QUOTE]I only know the Berlin scene and it (AO. Alles ohne. Bareback) is certainly going on. Reading the German forums (well, verkehrsberichte. De to be precise, which is probably more genuine than most of the others) it does have a following (even unprotected anal intercourse) and there are guys who specialise in it, even boasting about how their latest HIV tests were negative again! Obviously they get their kicks from taking the risk but I would imagine it is rather a form of addiction. I see it as analogous to the drugs in sport issue, where we all know it's bad but the realities of the world we live in dictate otherwise. I think there is more of it taking place than what one would imagine and at all levels. It is certainly true that there are girls who have offered it in the past and have then "gone straight". There is a demand for it, always has been, always will be, and nobody can stop it.