Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1558738]What's left? Maybe Jakarta, as it is not a destination that people go to live.[/QUOTE]I disagree with you on this one, quite a lot of expats live there, it's just such a sprawling city that you don't see a lot of them. I didn't realise how many until I was out for lunch with a Korean client and we went to a Korean restaurant. I was a bit surprised that there were so many Korean restaurants in Jakarta and he explained that there are 35,000 Koreans living there! Quite a few Aussies live there plus there are a lot of Dutch, being a former colony, and a lot of people travel there regularly. I've spent a fair bit of time there but the scene has changed a lot over the past few years. Hotel Mulia seems to be the best spot these days, but I haven't been there for almost a year now, so things might have changed. The radical Islamist movement picked up a bit of steam a few years back and I believe that had a big effect on Block M, which I hear is pretty dead.

Anyway, BKK is still a fun place and the closest for me to get to for some action.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight; 1558544]I spent 2 nights here. I rarely came to this town since 5-6 years ago, for me I know the best times in BKK is done already. I checked out many of these famous establishments, Rainbow1, 2.4, very disappointed, out of 3 shops, I could not find anyone worth the mim 2000+600+ST room+drinks. Majority of girls are with artificial parts, boobs, nose, most obvious.

I played through late 90's till 06-07 in Bangkok, I know difference, people who frequent BKK through the late 90's and come back BKK today, I think it's going to be a disappointment. There are 10 times more venues for girls to work, and and the better economic progress, means more Thai guys can pick out the nice ones as mistresses or giks, and take them out of the market.

I remember the hey days over 15 years ago, when Nana ladies dance all nude to show their products and asked 1000 ST, and lots of quality to pick from, all give nice BBBJ, that is only a ghost memory now.

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Time is changing to quick for me in this town, it will be just a transit town for me,

I will continue to sneak around off the beaten path for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]Yes, Thailand's best days, P4P-wise, are behind her. At least as far as the average farang is concerned.

Let's face it. The main reason why anybody made the arduous trek from home to BKK was price and fun. Most of the girls were tons of fun to be around. They loved their sanuk, you could bye-tee-oh all over the place if you were so inclined, have outstanding GFE, all for $30 - $50 per day, plus expenses. We know that Thai girls, in general, aren't that great in the sack. But, since there is no such thing as bad sex, you can overlook that in light of the main reasons you're in BKK, i. e. price and fun.

Now the fun certainly has gone out of it to a large degree. Short time is the rule, not the exception. The prices now are hardly a bargain. There is really no reason to come to Thailand as a sex tourist.

However, let's put everything into perspective. I just returned from 10 days in Malaysia and Singapore. Let's examine those places for a minute.

P4P in MY is completely different. It seems far more oriented to massage. Certainly there are no go-go bars. All of the ladies I saw plying their trade in the evening around the hotels were ladyboys. Alcohol, as is expected in a Muslim country, is very expensive. What P4P was available, at least what I could find in the few days I was there, tended to be a massage with some sort of hanky-panky involved, for about 100RM, or about $35, or about 1,000 baht. Cheaper than BKK, but only just, and not nearly as much fun. If massage is your thing you'll probably be OK there, but Malaysia is hardly a P4P destination, IMHO.

Singapore was abso-fucking-lutely expensive. The massages I could find tended to be 50SGD for an hour, plus another 50SGD for a happy ending. Yes, I'm sure it could be found cheaper, but I could only get away so often. I hit Orchard Tower for a couple of hours, just for research. One place advertised Russian pole dancers. Beer was $10sgd for a mug (265-ish Baht). And these "Russian" (yeah, right) dancers gave their Thai sisters a run for their money in the buffalo shuffle. A larger bunch of uninspired dancers I've not seen outside of Thailand. I poked my head into most of the other places. All were staffed mostly by PH ladies, but it was dark and some may have been PRC. I wound up in Jamboree due to the country music. A large Tiger bottle was $16sgd (425-ish baht). All ladies were PH, a few were cute, and several not only were far past their sell-by date but were only about a 5 on their best day, probably during the Reagan administration.

The next night I stopped into a karaoke place near the hotel. Again, staffed by 100% PH. Most were incredibly average looking and chubby. Mug of Tiger $7sgd. The lady drinks were $30sgd (!) of which she gets half. Both ladies who glommed onto me told me that a PH lady could be had for no less than $300sgd. However, that was for all night and all day the next day if so inclined. Wheeeee. Now this is pretty much bottom of the barrel market, as far as I could tell. I know there are some high-end venues, but I think few on this board are oil sheiks.

Suddenly, 150 ($4.50usd) baht drinks and 2000 baht ($63 USD) liaisons don't look so bad.

My point is that, for the area and the times, Thailand isn't that bad. (Yes, damned with faint praise.) It's better than most of the places in SEA. Of course that may be like being the fattest Red Hot Chili Pepper. So, if you're here anyway, a relatively good time can be had in Thailand for less than you'd spend in many other countries in the area. But it's certainly no longer a P4P destination, IMHO. One can do better with some of the FKK clubs, or Mexico, or much of South America.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1558810]Yes, Thailand's best days, P4P-wise, are behind her. At least as far as the average farang is concerned.

Let's face it. The main reason why anybody made the arduous trek from home to BKK was price and fun. Most of the girls were tons of fun to be around. They loved their sanuk, you could bye-tee-oh all over the place if you were so inclined, have outstanding GFE, all for $30. $50 per day, plus expenses. We know that Thai girls, in general, aren't that great in the sack. But, since there is no such thing as bad sex, you can overlook that in light of the main reasons you're in BKK, I. E. Price and fun.

Now the fun certainly has gone out of it to a large degree. Short time is the rule, not the exception. The prices now are hardly a bargain. There is really no reason to come to Thailand as a sex tourist.

However, let's put everything into perspective. I just returned from 10 days in Malaysia and Singapore. Let's examine those places for a minute.

P4P in MY is completely different. It seems far more oriented to massage. Certainly there are no go-go bars. All of the ladies I saw plying their trade in the evening around the hotels were ladyboys. Alcohol, as is expected in a Muslim country, is very expensive. What P4P was available, at least what I could find in the few days I was there, tended to be a massage with some sort of hanky-panky involved, for about 100RM, or about $35, or about 1, 000 baht. Cheaper than BKK, but only just, and not nearly as much fun. If massage is your thing you'll probably be OK there, but Malaysia is hardly a P4P destination, IMHO.

Singapore was abso-fucking-lutely expensive. The massages I could find tended to be 50SGD for an hour, plus another 50SGD for a happy ending. Yes, I'm sure it could be found cheaper, but I could only get away so often. I hit Orchard Tower for a couple of hours, just for research. One place advertised Russian pole dancers. Beer was $10sgd for a mug (265-ish Baht). And these "Russian" (yeah, right) dancers gave their Thai sisters a run for their money in the buffalo shuffle. A larger bunch of uninspired dancers I've not seen outside of Thailand. I poked my head into most of the other places. All were staffed mostly by PH ladies, but it was dark and some may have been PRC. I wound up in Jamboree due to the country music. A large Tiger bottle was $16sgd (425-ish baht). All ladies were PH, a few were cute, and several not only were far past their sell-by date but were only about a 5 on their best day, probably during the Reagan administration.

The next night I stopped into a karaoke place near the hotel. Again, staffed by 100% PH. Most were incredibly average looking and chubby. Mug of Tiger $7sgd. The lady drinks were $30sgd (!) of which she gets half. Both ladies who glommed onto me told me that a PH lady could be had for no less than $300sgd. However, that was for all night and all day the next day if so inclined. Wheeeee. Now this is pretty much bottom of the barrel market, as far as I could tell. I know there are some high-end venues, but I think few on this board are oil sheiks.

Suddenly. 150 ($4. 50usd) baht drinks and 2000 baht ($63 USD) liaisons don't look so bad.

My point is that, for the area and the times, Thailand isn't that bad. (Yes, damned with faint praise.) It's better than most of the places in SEA. Of course that may be like being the fattest Red Hot Chili Pepper. So, if you're here anyway, a relatively good time can be had in Thailand for less than you'd spend in many other countries in the area. But it's certainly no longer a P4P destination, IMHO. One can do better with some of the FKK clubs, or Mexico, or much of South America.[/QUOTE]And then let's look at home country. I'm talking about the West. If I want quality Asian or Caucasian for that matter it's going to be costly. 7 quality escorts are $300 usd plus for one hour. I've never tried for an all nighted as most of the girls in the 7 range don't or won't. You can get an escort for all night but now your talking the 9-10 quality. I'm guessing that's going to run in the 2-3000 USD range. So Thailand is very appealing. For anything near $100 you're looking at drug addicted street walkers.

I've not been coming to Asia that long. I did the Cuba, Costa Rica, Columbia, Russia, and Eastern Europe dance before I got bit by the Asian bug. So for me it's relatively new. I have no problem shelling out 100-200 for an all nighter with a cute looking 20 year old. Bar girl problems aside one can find a lot of gems. Yes, the look has changed, yes there is more plastic but there are still a lot of cuties for the picking. I never take girls with plastic, or tattoos. I look for their presence on stage. I take my time. I don't drink a lot and have no problem walking in looking around and walking out if I don't see anything that strikes my fancy. I have managed to connect with a few of the girls and have seen them on multiple visits. This is the sweet spot. They are not robots. And as with any woman there has to be some connection. My BKK regular started out all covered and slowly undressed as she got more comfortable. The more I saw her the more things came into play. Yes, I'm sure things have changed. But it's all relative.

I wish I had been around for Bangkok's heyday. But I was having a blast in other areas of the world. I don't regret it. I make the best of what I have to work with. So in BKK I see my regular, when she pops out for a few hours to go home and change or whatever. I run down to Annie's or Dr BJ's and do a little extra fun. Where the hell can you run and get a blow job? A relatively cheap blow job. And quite frankly when I'm getting a blow job I'm not too concerned about what the girl looks like. A 5 is just fine. A 5 with huge knockers and good technique is even better.

I had a good time and plan on having one in September and in January.

FN

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1558810]However, let's put everything into perspective. I just returned from 10 days in Malaysia and Singapore.[/QUOTE]Let me put Taiwan on that list where you pay top dollar for (old) ladies and don't even ask about the young escort girls

(still very good place to go for freebees though, but thats not a good word for them cause they can be expensive too and then add some drama that somehow Always comes into play sooner or later)

Japan is also a place thats not very good for mongering (if you are a foreigner) , so is China.

So maybe the only place in the East that can hold up against Thailand is the philipinnes. (but I prefer the thai in looks, just my opinion, don't shoot me)

So yes I hear you guys when you say BKK p4p days are long over, but it's still the best in Southeast asia. Be happy you lived through the golden years and have some good memories. I was never there during the 90's so sadly I did not experience it.

I still think it's great and cheaper than back home. Girls are beautiful, weather is nice. Life is good.

What is the go go that one can get a BBBJ in the naughty boys corner? Was it lollipop or after skool or am I totally off? Was it NEP or soi cowboy? I looked for it when I was there, but after walking in and out of so many bars and so many drinks I forgot and never got to do it.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1558829]I have no problem shelling out 100-200 for an all nighter with a cute looking 20 year old. Bar girl problems aside one can find a lot of gems. Yes, the look has changed, yes there is more plastic but there are still a lot of cuties for the picking. I never take girls with plastic, or tattoos. I look for their presence on stage. I take my time. I don't drink a lot and have no problem walking in looking around and walking out if I don't see anything that strikes my fancy. I have managed to connect with a few of the girls and have seen them on multiple visits. This is the sweet spot. They are not robots. And as with any woman there has to be some connection. My BKK regular started out all covered and slowly undressed as she got more comfortable. The more I saw her the more things came into play. Yes, I'm sure things have changed. But it's all relative.

I wish I had been around for Bangkok's heyday. But I was having a blast in other areas of the world. I don't regret it. I make the best of what I have to work with. So in BKK I see my regular, when she pops out for a few hours to go home and change or whatever. I run down to Annie's or Dr BJ's and do a little extra fun. Where the hell can you run and get a blow job? A relatively cheap blow job. And quite frankly when I'm getting a blow job I'm not too concerned about what the girl looks like. A 5 is just fine. A 5 with huge knockers and good technique is even better.

I had a good time and plan on having one in September and in January.

FN[/QUOTE]Well said FN. I met a lot of very attractive, great in bed, great to be with girls in Asia from Feb 28 to April 23. There were high quality girls everywhere I went, but usually the high quality girls with excellence attitudes and performance came at a premium price. I routinely payed $100 or more to have a good time with the girls I considered attractive in Jakarta, Singapore, BKK, Pattaya, Macau, Makati, even Phnom Penh. There were cheaper alternatives available in all these places of course, but for the most part I wasn't interested in sacrificing quality in order to treat my wallet better, so I paid the going rates.

We all know that Singapore and Macau can be expensive. They are. For example, I saw a couple of Japanese beauties in Rio Sauna (real Japanese) and the price was 3200hk. That was too much for even me, so I settled. 555, on Chinese model category girls for 2400hk, which is still a very hefty price.

Jakarta prices were a little more reasonable and more in line with Thailand pricing. High quality Indonesian girls from Alexis or Malioboro ran from 1, 100, 000rp to 1, 900, 000rp if memory serves. (I am too lazy to look it up in my notes because I just returned home from my trip last night and I am tired.)

In BKK, I was spending 2500bt on my Go Go girl friend (no barfine) most of the time, but that did not include drinks, dining, birthday parties, and nights out with her friends, so I know I spent a lot more on her than just 2500bt per night. Beleive me, whatever I spent on her it was worth it! In addition, some of the best sex I experienced in BKK this trip occurred in La Belle where I payed 4, 000bt to 6, 000bt ST for girls depending on their sideline classification. In my experience this trip, the big price was totally worth it because these beautiful girls gave me some of the best sex that I can remember in recent years.

Makati can also be very expensive if you are looking for top quality. You can find very sexy girls in Rogues and Stardust for around 3600p total (a little less than $100) , but better looking girls at Bottoms will cost you double that amount; I kid you not, and if you want the top quality that Manila has available, then you must go to the international bars like La La Land, and Air Force One were you can expect to pay 10, 000p minimum.

But perhaps the biggest surprise of my trip, price wise, occured in Phnom Penh. I can still recall shagging really pretty little Khmer girls all night for $20 to $30 total as late as 2009. This year I found, however, that all the bar girls I wanted to have sex with were all on mens, ha ha ha and the ones I wouldn't shag for free were available for $30 to $40 ST. No thank you! So I migrated upscale to Darling Bar at the Naga World were I found plenty of ready and willing high quality Khmers for, wait for it, $100 / night. Unbelievable, but true and guess what, I paid up for it because I wanted the quality and didn't want to settle for less. Again, just my opinion, but it was worth it.

So I guess this is bad news for the monger world. The secret is out about Asian women and high quality Asian girls are now asking world class prices. I am willing to pay up because I love Asian women and because I am unwilling to settle for average quality or girls with a excess mileage. I spent a few days in Pattaya and took one girl from the Six for 1000bt ST. She was 19 and had a sweet personality, but as far as looks go, she was at best a 5* and the sex was nothing to write home about. I also visited Sensations Go Go on walking Street were the quality was high and I had a great time with a couple of Agency girls. The barfine 1500bt before midnight. 1000bt after midnight, plus 2500bt for sex. And the sex was great.

Same same type experiences with most of the girls I had sex with in AC and Subic this year. They were all very nice girls and very young. I paid 1500p for the standard LT and enjoyed myself, but as far as looks are concerned these girls were at best 5. 5 star quality. Later I moved on to Makati where I enjoyed 8* star quality boom boom with a Bottoms girl for 4000p + 3000p barfine. There was no comparison in the experience between my Makati friend and the charming little Subic / AC girls. The Makati girl was much much better on every level except price.

So that is the state of affairs as I saw it in Asia this March and April 2014. True, there are diamonds in the rough out there, so good luck hunting for it, but in general, if you want high quality girls, you are going to have to pay up for the experience. And that's all there is to it.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1558864]What is the go go that one can get a BBBJ in the naughty boys corner? Was it lollipop or after skool or am I totally off? Was it NEP or soi cowboy? I looked for it when I was there, but after walking in and out of so many bars and so many drinks I forgot and never got to do it.[/QUOTE]Nclpimp,

30 seconds using the search facility came up with a report from 09. 08. 13 by Wolvenvacht.

"Afterskool in Soi Cowboy is home of the "naughty boys corner" where BJs are given in semi-public, but watch out, the moment you walk in three or four bargirls will stalk you and ask for ladydrinks. Although I haven't been a victim of it, it pays to always check the bar-tabs they put in your bin. It has been reported that sometimes "alien" tabs find their home in your bin. Try to stay (more or less) sober during your hunts."

Enjoy,

Hotman

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1558869]Well said FN. I met a lot of very attractive, great in bed, great to be with girls in Asia from Feb 28 to April 23. There were high quality girls everywhere I went, but usually the high quality girls with excellence attitudes and performance came at a premium price. I routinely payed $100 or more to have a good time with the girls I considered attractive in Jakarta, Singapore, BKK, Pattaya, Macau, Makati, even Phnom Penh. There were cheaper alternatives available in all these places of course, but for the most part I wasn't interested in sacrificing quality in order to treat my wallet better, so I paid the going rates.

We all know that Singapore and Macau can be expensive. They are. For example, I saw a couple of Japanese beauties in Rio Sauna (real Japanese) and the price was 3200hk. That was too much for even me, so I settled. 555, on Chinese model category girls for 2400hk, which is still a very hefty price.[/QUOTE]Natty,

This could be very excellent info. However its a bit much to expect all readers to know all currencies intimately. I certainly do not. I certainly have not been to HK for a long time and do not know its currency. I struggle to remember RMB too. So my suggestion if you want to compare many countries would be to do a conversion into a well known common currency. I. E. $US would be acceptable or Thai Baht (since its the Thailand thread).

P. S. Other guys tell me their Indonesian travels largely result in free sex, but perhaps that is in far flung provinces like Sulawesi, Medan and not Jakarta? I have not been there.

[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1558874]Nclpimp,

30 seconds using the search facility came up with a report from 09. 08. 13 by Wolvenvacht.

"Afterskool in Soi Cowboy is home of the "naughty boys corner" where BJs are given in semi-public, but watch out, the moment you walk in three or four bargirls will stalk you and ask for ladydrinks. Although I haven't been a victim of it, it pays to always check the bar-tabs they put in your bin. It has been reported that sometimes "alien" tabs find their home in your bin. Try to stay (more or less) sober during your hunts."

Enjoy,

Hotman[/QUOTE]I usually go to Afterskool for a blowjob when I'm in Bangkok, probably between 2 and 4 times a year. Didn't go last Sunday when I was passing through though, too lazy and jet-lagged. I've never had a problem there with them padding out my bill, but the older staff there remember me and that probably helps. I've also seen them give blowjobs at the bar and at the tables, but the tables are a bit uncomfortable because they don't move away from the seats. Tried it a couple of times before heading to the corner.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1558738]RCA Knight, I could not agree with you more. There are lots of good looking gals in BKK, but very few real lookers (in my eyes) in the P4P scene.

Disagree about Thermae thought. Although I have not pulled there for a long time, I do find the girls there quite attractive. Of course my eyes have become more "Asian" as the time passes here and I am not attracted to dark skinned, square jawed, high cheekboned Isaan women any more.[/QUOTE]"Agree"?

Your taste is clearly not like RCA Knight at all, nor like mine.

Also I don't understand why you refer to square jawed Isaan girls. I don't like square jawed either, but find square jaw or square face is most prevalent in the north of Thailand, especially in Chiangmai region, but not all girls of course. Most Isaan girls that I like, have narrow jaws sometimes even slightly pointy chins. High cheek bones, yes that is a common trait. I don't choose broad faces or broad squashed noses either. The skin colour just doesn't bother me at all. Real Laos girls tend to have rather round faces, and are not similar looking to my type of narrow faced Isaan girls.

Is it possible by "square jaw", you actually mean pointy chin?

I enclose some links to pics of Isaan women (not all to my taste but illustrate what I would say is non-square jaws) (apologies for some look shopped) :

[url]https://www.thailovelines.com/skins/blue/images/isaan-women.jpg[/url]
[url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6497884437_4853cde1f4.jpg[/url]
[url]http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Beautiful-Thai-girls-11.jpg[/url]
[url]https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7046/6888146961_a60f1d751a_z.jpg[/url]

The 3rd one from Udon, would be best to my taste despite not being very white. The 2nd one, I can't tell due to photo-shopping made the eyes too big.

Finally a pic of some Northern girls (presumably. From Chiang Mai). A few of these have squarish (rectangular) faces that don't appeal to me. By squarish I am meaning that the width of the face doesn't vary that much, and moderately broad, from the cheeks to a fair way down, almost to the chin (still broad).
In fact none of girls in this pic appeal to me, really. The tall one at the back has the slimmest face overall but clearly a nose job, even if not the worst nose job.

[url]http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1600-4/photos/1354135967-loy-krathong-festival-and-parade-underway-in-thailand_1640454.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1558878]P. S. Other guys tell me their Indonesian travels largely result in free sex[/QUOTE]My dear friend. Nothing is free, you know that ;)

But Jakarta remains as 'close to the old days' as one can get. But even there, things are cracking down, prices going up. The local girls do luv bules. Aka non-Asian males, LOL. If you're young and game, you will score easily.
You need to take a visit one day and hook up with some of the local seniors there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1558878]Other guys tell me their Indonesian travels largely result in free sex, but perhaps that is in far flung provinces like Sulawesi, Medan and not Jakarta? I have not been there.[/QUOTE]I never got free sex in Jakarta, but I wasn't living there. Semi-pros are readily available. In Semarang, where I did live, it was very easy to find a pretty young Javanese girl who would be delighted to move in, clean, your house, buy and cook your food, do your laundry, iron your clothes and fuck your brains out, in exchange for room and board and the equivalent of couple of US$ (less than 100 baht) once a week or so to go to the market and buy some pretty little trinket for herself. Sweet, kind, sexy and completely unspoiled girls were the norm not the exception. Almost free sex with non-pros was also readily available. On 29 March, in the Bangkok Report thread, I posted an off-topic report that a couple of guys seemed to enjoy reminiscing about life in Semarang.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1558900]"Agree"?

Your taste is clearly not like RCA Knight at all, nor like mine.

Also I don't understand why you refer to square jawed Isaan girls. I don't like square jawed either, but find square jaw or square face is most prevalent in the north of Thailand, especially in Chiangmai region, but not all girls of course. Most Isaan girls that I like, have narrow jaws sometimes even slightly pointy chins. High cheek bones, yes that is a common trait. I don't choose broad faces or broad squashed noses either. The skin colour just doesn't bother me at all. Real Laos girls tend to have rather round faces, and are not similar looking to my type of narrow faced Isaan girls.

Is it possible by "square jaw", you actually mean pointy chin?

I enclose some links to pics of Isaan women (not all to my taste but illustrate what I would say is non-square jaws) (apologies for some look shopped) :

[url]https://www.thailovelines.com/skins/blue/images/isaan-women.jpg[/url]

[url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6497884437_4853cde1f4.jpg[/url]

[url]http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Beautiful-Thai-girls-11.jpg[/url]

[url]https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7046/6888146961_a60f1d751a_z.jpg[/url]

The 3rd one from Udon, would be best to my taste despite not being very white. The 2nd one, I can't tell due to photo-shopping made the eyes too big.

Finally a pic of some Northern girls (presumably. From Chiang Mai). A few of these have squarish (rectangular) faces that don't appeal to me. By squarish I am meaning that the width of the face doesn't vary that much, and moderately broad, from the cheeks to a fair way down, almost to the chin (still broad).

In fact none of girls in this pic appeal to me, really. The tall one at the back has the slimmest face overall but clearly a nose job, even if not the worst nose job.

[url]http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1600-4/photos/1354135967-loy-krathong-festival-and-parade-underway-in-thailand_1640454.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]I agree with his assessment of the scene being in decline. Has nothing to do with his or my taste in gals.

As far as "square jawed" I am referring to the back of the jaw near the ear. Instead of a nice smooth slope, it tends to come down from the ear forming an almost right angle that then heads to the mouth and chin.

Of the pics you posted I find number 2 and 3 to be all right. The rest not really to my taste.

A quick Google find these-

[url]http://www.travelnix.com/wp-content/uploads/chiang_mai_girls_women.jpg[/url]

All of whom, I find very attractive, except the gal on the far right. The one on the far left is nothing short of stunning.

Of course BKK has the best gals.

This face just does it for me.

[url]http://he-knows.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/central-thai-girls.jpg[/url]

What amazes me is how my tastes have changed over the years. When I moved here I was very attracted to darker Isaan girls, but not now.

A friend's wife who is a small dark skinned girl from the NE once remarked to me in Thai,"when farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work." I see her point. Almost all my long term resident friends who have lived here for years have gone through changes in their tastes. Does not really seem to effect tourists as it does residents. Guess it shows how the images we are bombarded with can effect us. When I first moved here and was exposed to Thai TV I was not attracted to the gals I saw, thinking instead the gals in the bars were better looking and far sexier. Now I am amazed that I ever thought that way. What I liked 15 years ago does look a bit simian to me these days. I see pics of gals I took back in the day and now I would not be the least bit interested.

We were in Thermae one night about a year or so ago and were talking to a pretty cool Japanese guy. At one point he asked us which girls we found attractive. We pointed a few out and he looked a bit shocked and remarked,"You have good taste." He then asked us,"Why do most western guys like girls that look like monkeys." Sadly I see his point.

Of course there are beauties from every region and turds in every province.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar; 1558795]I disagree with you on this one, quite a lot of expats live there, it's just such a sprawling city that you don't see a lot of them. I didn't realise how many until I was out for lunch with a Korean client and we went to a Korean restaurant. I was a bit surprised that there were so many Korean restaurants in Jakarta and he explained that there are 35, 000 Koreans living there! Quite a few Aussies live there plus there are a lot of Dutch, being a former colony, and a lot of people travel there regularly. I've spent a fair bit of time there but the scene has changed a lot over the past few years. Hotel Mulia seems to be the best spot these days, but I haven't been there for almost a year now, so things might have changed. The radical Islamist movement picked up a bit of steam a few years back and I believe that had a big effect on Block M, which I hear is pretty dead.

Anyway, BKK is still a fun place and the closest for me to get to for some action.[/QUOTE]Let me clarify. Most of the expats who live there are also working there. Not to many people go to Jakarta to just hang about or to retire like the do in BKK and the rest of LOS.

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A quick Google find these-

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All of whom, I find very attractive, except the gal on the far right. The one on the far left is nothing short of stunning.[/QUOTE]I find the one on the far right most beautiful and I would not hesitate to go with her if she ever turns up in an agogo in Bangkok. The one on the left is not really my taste. She seems to have some Chinese genes in her.

Funny how we all have our own taste and measure of beauty. And that's perfectly OK! Suppose we all have the same standards: we'd all be queuing for the same girls.