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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1152300]Sorry guys I beg to differ. They're all liars and NONE of them are going to be faithful.

Anybody who comes down here with the idea that women are MORE faithful than Americans is really really REALLY fucking delusional, and just setting themselves up for a big fall. EVERYBODY here is cheating. EVERYBODY.[/QUOTE]Here is the litmus test as to wether the Colombiana is tolerating the embarrasement of being with you for financial perks (ouch!) , or genuinely a real girl digging you for you, [B]her first choice in a man[/B]:

If she hypothetically hit a "[B]$10, 000USD tax free a week for life[/B]" lottery tomorrow, you've already been her "boyfriend" for however long: The Questions are:

#1) Are you still the one and only man in her life in the coming months. If you ever were? Or does she dump you?

#2) If she hit that lottery a few months before you ever met can you get her today? Meaning you are lucky enough to run into her at the Exito or mall and ask for her number?

If the answer is "probably not" to your current girl or any girl you get then you are dating women who are settling for you and it's time to be honest and not make them your girlfriends. Or tolerate the games cheating and lies. Best bet go for pros and keep them as pros. Which is the less expensive route and who cares about games lies and if they are evil cheaters? It's not your problem. No need to get bitter again.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver;1152426]I'm sure that he didn't literally mean EVERYBODY, but it just seems like that sometimes both male and female when [B]given the right time and place[/B]. My cuñado and his friends all of whom have beautiful steady novias for many years all have their side pieces and I can't even tell you the amount of girls I have been with that have "novios" and even HUSBANDS! Cheating is becoming, trivialized, second nature and now almost expected in most cases where your partner sometimes seems to look the other way.[/QUOTE]This is mostly true. I got two steady slam pieces one is with a gringo who visits and other is in a serious relationship with a Caleño who still lives in Cali. Both long distance relationships for these girls. They get lonely.

If both of the guys were here full time with their women I probably would not have them in my ala carte rotation.

Here in Colombia I pretty much mean EVERYBODY. Everybody worth sticking a penis into anyways.

Jaded, yeah. But eyes wide open. Fact is if you took the financial benefits to the woman out of the picture, hardly any relationship on the Earth would survive. And the ones that DID survive would be the ones based on true primal animal LUST, not on any "commitment" which really at the end of the day just doesn't exist.

Have I been burned? Not really badly. But the shit I have SEEN. Oh man oh man.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1152655]Fact is if you took the financial benefits to the woman out of the picture, hardly any relationship on the Earth would survive. And the ones that DID survive would be the ones based on true primal animal LUST, not on any "commitment"[/QUOTE]That is why in order to separate the wheat from the chaff I keep them looking good, but NO DOUGH!

Why does the moderator need to look at my post about an ATM?

[quote=sailor jim;1152781]why does the moderator need to look at my post about an atm?[/quote]all new members are monitored at first in order to make sure they are not ****s, weirdos, troublemakers and respect the forum's guidelines.

Great posts, you guys. Keep 'them coming! I find it refreshing how all different angles and sides are defended, argued, supported and dismissed. This makes for a more well-rounded reading and improves the perspective that we all have of women from all walks of life in Colombia. I admit at times sounding jaded in my posts. Like Bango Cheito, I have also been slightly burned and hosed but nothing too bad (I've seen and known of far worse cases). Like Ricker said, such bad experiences help us get wiser (or at least they should). Human beings indeed are a complicated species. Women being the most, of course, and Colombianas particularly are among the top contenders. It would not be fair to speak in the way we do about all of them since like everything else in life, there are exceptions to be made. Such generalizations are to be taken in a manner constructive towards shaping our perception and knowledge. This way, hopefully, we can all increase and / or improve our game and make a better approach next time around. In the end, we are all (generalization?) mongerers who are looking for essentially the same thing and that is the best deal for the least amount of money be it in terms of P4P or non-pro action. Just my two-cents worth. Peace to you all and please keep those great (and not so great) posts coming.

If you've recently spent anytime in Bogota, or intend to visit, here's an interesting article about recent events (e. G. Armed take-over robbery of hostels, political corruption, traffic congestion) in Bogota. I think Bogota is an interesting city and has made tremendous progress, but for every three steps forward, it seems to take four steps backwards.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/americas/06bogota.html?_r=2&ref=world[/url]

On a side note, if you're walking around the centro area, always look where you're walking. Metal utility access covers on sidewalks are stolen and never replaced. If you step into one, you could seriously injury yourself. Amazingly, I also saw a missing manhole cover at an intersection where pedestrians crossed the street. If you fell into that, you'd probably drown with all the recent rain. If you drove into it, that would cause some serious damage to your vehicle. I first noticed the missing manhole cover when I first arrived. Four weeks later, the manhole cover was still missing and nothing was done to warn pedestrians or motorists.

[quote=littletruths;1152799]all new members are monitored at first in order to make sure they are not ****s, weirdos, troublemakers and respect the forum's guidelines.[/quote]i'll buy that. it was just that some posts made it through immediately and this one was stoppped for review. i thought it was scanning the context and that some word i had written caused it to get flagged, like "atm".

[QUOTE=Aunsa; 1155957]I am planning to visit Colombia for the first time in 2 months, and would like to know info on romancelatina. Com, or any other website like it.

I have lived in Brazil so know what to expect to a certain degree in Colombia and have read the forum but if there is any upto date info, pm. Thanks in advance! [/QUOTE]A whole bunch of pros and semi-pros advertise on romancelatina. At least from Medellin. Not saying that all are likely to be after P4P. At a good indication is: they are young and nevertheless advertising for 20 to 69 years old men.

A lot of the Casa Blanca girls are on romancelatina too.

I've been checking out flights from San Francisco to Medellin for my next trip in Sept. I notice American Airlines has upped its fares by $200 roundtrip. Its used to be $700 plus tax. Now its $900 plus tax. I guess the price of fuel is causing this bump.

Lately I've been playing the frequent flyer game. Buying the miles during the bonus periods, and haven't really paid for a flight. But its surprising about the jump in price.

[QUOTE=BayBoy; 1159872]I've been checking out flights from San Francisco to Medellin for my next trip in Sept. I notice American Airlines has upped its fares by $200 roundtrip. Its used to be $700 plus tax. Now its $900 plus tax. I guess the price of fuel is causing this bump.

Lately I've been playing the frequent flyer game. Buying the miles during the bonus periods, and haven't really paid for a flight. But its surprising about the jump in price. [/QUOTE]$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.

Plus the baggage fees and extra money if you want a decent seat.

I have looked at the fares to MDE for the next few months and the only break in price is after Labor day.

It's been since March since I have been to MDE, and going cold turkey for another 3 months is going to be hard for me to face.

[QUOTE=John Gault; 1160233]$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.

Plus the baggage fees and extra money if you want a decent seat.

I have looked at the fares to MDE for the next few months and the only break in price is after Labor day.

It's been since March since I have been to MDE, and going cold turkey for another 3 months is going to be hard for me to face.[/QUOTE]My last trip was March also, and I'm getting that itch. But I refuse to pay double what I was paying a year ago to go anywhere right now. It's going to be along hot summer for me, just resetting. Since 06 iv'e had 25 trip's to Colombia, DR, and CR, but I knew one day there would have to be a lull. Nothing good last forever, and when I can't take it and start looking at flights, the inflated airfares just make me go back into boycott mode.

P. S. I guess you blame Obama for the Tornadoes and earthquakes also LOL.

[QUOTE=John Gault; 1160233]$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.

Plus the baggage fees and extra money if you want a decent seat.

I have looked at the fares to MDE for the next few months and the only break in price is after Labor day.

It's been since March since I have been to MDE, and going cold turkey for another 3 months is going to be hard for me to face. [/QUOTE]Well, I'll be back in the land of the Paisa next week, I'll have to trade my portuguese (Brasil) for spanish again. Though difficult, I'll give it a go haha.

Hope you make it back soon senor Gault, I understand fully the feeling of withdrawls in P-prison.

[QUOTE=John Gault;1160233]$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.[/QUOTE]I have watched Spirit Fares since they launched, [ anyone notice no more Barraquilla flights? ], it seems about 10 days out to two weeks from the current time the fares are the cheapest.

Cartagena is about 525 from my destination two weeks from now, Medellin slightly higher.