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[QUOTE=DecadentDude92;2471723]Impacts for mongers: you can now be fined. About 4000 clients have been fined in France, in 2017. But you have to be caught in the act, so if you don't go for streetwalkers, you should be fine. Also, those numbers look really small: There are 15.000 announces on sexemodel in France. Let's say 3/4 are fake, that leave about 4000 working girls (not counting streetwalkers, and girls advertising on other websites). Let's say a girl has at least 3 clients per day. 365 days a year. This makes about 3180.000 mongers a year. Just for sexemodel. So the 4000 guys that where fined represent about 0,13% of the clients.[/QUOTE]I think your statistics are waaaaaaay off.

Girls advertising on websites have 3 customers a day? The average girl on a website will be happy to get a reply at all and if she scores a trick once a week, she'd be happy to no end.

How do I know? I used these websites and never ever had a problem to get a date at any moment I liked. This means that the girls cannot be too busy, can they? And when getting to know them a bit better, most said they advertised on multiple sites, got a lot of failed rendez-vous and all had to work regular jobs to make ends meet.

The truth is that nobody knows the size of the "market", so all guesses are equally wrong.

And one final point about "you have to be caught in the act". "Act" does not mean "sex". It means "offering a prostitute a remuneration for sex". An SMS, email, phone call, an overheard discussion in a bar or club, . All these can be used against you. "[I]Caveat Emptor[/I]" as the Ancients used to say!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2475424]I think your statistics are waaaaaaay off.

Girls advertising on websites have 3 customers a day? The average girl on a website will be happy to get a reply at all and if she scores a trick once a week, she'd be happy to no end.

How do I know? I used these websites and never ever had a problem to get a date at any moment I liked. This means that the girls cannot be too busy, can they? And when getting to know them a bit better, most said they advertised on multiple sites, got a lot of failed rendez-vous and all had to work regular jobs to make ends meet.

The truth is that nobody knows the size of the "market", so all guesses are equally wrong.
[/QUOTE]It's true that all the number I took are random (except the number of announces on sexemodel). But that was just to put the "4000" clients fined in perspective, to have an idea of what this number represents. It could look like a big number, but I find it relatively small when you put it in perspective. I might be 1000 or 2000 off of the real number of girls on sexemodel. And maybe you're right and they never get more than 1 client a week. But even so, the chances to be fined looks small enough to dismiss it (otherwise I guess none of us would be here But maybe I'm wrong and time will tell.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2475424]And one final point about "you have to be caught in the act". "Act" does not mean "sex". It means "offering a prostitute a remuneration for sex". An SMS, email, phone call, an overheard discussion in a bar or club, . All these can be used against you. "[I]Caveat Emptor[/I]" as the Ancients used to say![/QUOTE]Yup you're right, thanks for pointing it out. But the thing is, the cyber police in France is busy enough with pedophiles, organised crime, cyber crime, etc. Without in addition having to care about prostitutes clients. That's why the only options for the cops to actually catch a monger is to keep watch over streetwalkers and intervene when the guys pays up.

Theoretically, they could set up false announces and catch you when you show up. But it sounds like a lot of work and resources (need an apartment and a team to stay inside), and I never heard of such a thing.

I thought it was less than 4000 people who got fined. Police strings like in USA is illegal in France IIRC.

[QUOTE=DecadentDude92;2475532]Theoretically, they could set up false announces and catch you when you show up. But it sounds like a lot of work and resources (need an apartment and a team to stay inside), and I never heard of such a thing.[/QUOTE]Which is why I'm always wary of profiles on 6 annonce with a French phone number and comments like "Pas de response" I. E. "No response".

Also, I notice the photos are typically of unrealistically beautiful girls with descriptions English like "I am a beautiful girl who likes to take care of my customers blah blah blah. ".

Not saying that real beautiful girls don't sometimes work in Paris, but is it a coincidence that the girls with the same formula (French number, English description starting with "I am a beautiful / sexy / nice girl. ") are always the best looking ones, and always with a comment saying "Pas de response" (I. E. No response)?

Needless to say, I almost always avoid contacting any escorts on 6 annonce with a French phone number. Not saying that they are all fake (I am sure there are some girl who come to France and get a French SIM card), but I don't like to waste my time with a profile that has a high probability of being fake.

I found this article while doing research about police arresting a pimp in a distant Parisian suburb:[URL]https://www.leparisien.fr/seine-et-marne-77/brie-comte-robert-le-duo-prostituait-des-filles-dans-un-hotel-18-09-2019-8154459.php.[/URL] According to the translation the girls were advertised on Wannonce and fined several buyers, but only after noticing many people coming in and out of a hotel room and doing an investigation. I think the lesson is to see escorts at private apartments or hotels at cities.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2475420]Don't kid yourself.

The 2016 law wasn't about legalizing prostitution.

It is about trying to end prostitution and one of the articles made it illegal to pay for sex:

Translated that reads:

Good luck to convince the Police or the Judge that you shouldn't be fined because "Prostitution is still legal".[/QUOTE]I'm French, I'm used to work with laws. Prostitution is legal in private places in France and yes, clients can be prosecuted, but a bit complicated when meeting escort in apartment. I think police have many other more important problems in France, even they always run after money they can catch.

[QUOTE=Siggleii;2475795]Which is why I'm always wary of profiles on 6 annonce with a French phone number and comments like "Pas de response" I. E. "No response".

Also, I notice the photos are typically of unrealistically beautiful girls with descriptions English like "I am a beautiful girl who likes to take care of my customers blah blah blah. ".

Not saying that real beautiful girls don't sometimes work in Paris, but is it a coincidence that the girls with the same formula (French number, English description starting with "I am a beautiful / sexy / nice girl. ") are always the best looking ones, and always with a comment saying "Pas de response" (I. E. No response)?

Needless to say, I almost always avoid contacting any escorts on 6 annonce with a French phone number. Not saying that they are all fake (I am sure there are some girl who come to France and get a French SIM card), but I don't like to waste my time with a profile that has a high probability of being fake.[/QUOTE]Some real Russian escorts or even rdv4u have french number, even [URL]stroll.xxx[/URL], and no fake. But yes, many fakes on 6 annonce and no french beauty but Asian, Arab or black girls on wannonce or those kind of sites. French beauties don't work for 100/30 or 150/60 .

Thanks DD92 for good perspective.

Let's wait for the COVID19 situation to tide over. Hope things improve soon.

Vic.

[QUOTE=DecadentDude92;2475532]It's true that all the number I took are random (except the number of announces on sexemodel). But that was just to put the "4000" clients fined in perspective, to have an idea of what this number represents. It could look like a big number, but I find it relatively small when you put it in perspective. I might be 1000 or 2000 off of the real number of girls on sexemodel. And maybe you're right and they never get more than 1 client a week. But even so, the chances to be fined looks small enough to dismiss it (otherwise I guess none of us would be here But maybe I'm wrong and time will tell.

Yup you're right, thanks for pointing it out. But the thing is, the cyber police in France is busy enough with pedophiles, organised crime, cyber crime, etc. Without in addition having to care about prostitutes clients. That's why the only options for the cops to actually catch a monger is to keep watch over streetwalkers and intervene when the guys pays up.

Theoretically, they could set up false announces and catch you when you show up. But it sounds like a lot of work and resources (need an apartment and a team to stay inside), and I never heard of such a thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2475939]Some real Russian escorts or even rdv4u have french number, even [URL]stroll.xxx[/URL], and no fake. But yes, many fakes on 6 annonce and no french beauty but Asian, Arab or black girls on wannonce or those kind of sites. French beauties don't work for 100/30 or 150/60 .[/QUOTE]A lot of French girls do sex work outside of France. I have seen many French girls outside of France (eg. In England, Australia, etc.). There are also a lot of girls with French heritage in Canada (although I've never been there) who do sex work.

Probably quite risky to work in France if you are French. Maybe your uncle or neighbor might find you! Also, it would be quite hard to compete with the girls from other countries like Russia, Ukraine, etc. in France, especially in Paris.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2475939]Some real Russian escorts or even rdv4u have french number, even [URL]stroll.xxx[/URL], and no fake. But yes, many fakes on 6 annonce and no french beauty but Asian, Arab or black girls on wannonce or those kind of sites. French beauties don't work for 100/30 or 150/60 .[/QUOTE]Hmmm, yeah, you're right. RDV4 U uses French phone numbers, and they are 100% legit.

[QUOTE=Siggleii;2476071]A lot of French girls do sex work outside of France. I have seen many French girls outside of France (eg. In England, Australia, etc.). There are also a lot of girls with French heritage in Canada (although I've never been there) who do sex work.

Probably quite risky to work in France if you are French. Maybe your uncle or neighbor might find you! Also, it would be quite hard to compete with the girls from other countries like Russia, Ukraine, etc. in France, especially in Paris.[/QUOTE]Some real French roots women work this business in France, but my meaning was You won t find them for 100/30 or 150/60, but more for minimum 300 , most often around Monaco. Yes, Russians are more numerous and less expensive. For 100/30 or 150/60, you will find not pretty Asians, Black or Arabs, or Albanian or Romanian or Bulgarian. To have the girl on photos, rdv4u and stroll are the most reliable. Also few on 6annonce, but among many fake profiles.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476297]Some real French roots women work this business in France, but my meaning was You won t find them for 100/30 or 150/60, but more for minimum 300 , most often around Monaco. Yes, Russians are more numerous and less expensive. For 100/30 or 150/60, you will find not pretty Asians, Black or Arabs, or Albanian or Romanian or Bulgarian. To have the girl on photos, rdv4u and stroll are the most reliable. Also few on 6annonce, but among many fake profiles.[/QUOTE]Or in Saint Tropez or Cannes.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476489]Or in Saint Tropez or Cannes.[/QUOTE]Yes but fake profiles are on every website so if you are a man who wants a girl so you have to take this risk.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2476297]Some real French roots women work this business in France, but my meaning was You won t find them for 100/30 or 150/60, but more for minimum 300 , most often around Monaco. Yes, Russians are more numerous and less expensive. For 100/30 or 150/60, you will find not pretty Asians, Black or Arabs, or Albanian or Romanian or Bulgarian. To have the girl on photos, rdv4u and stroll are the most reliable. Also few on 6annonce, but among many fake profiles.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback Siroja. Been on this website for quite some time but never thought of logging myself in. I have seen your comments pretty much all over the site so I am sure you are very knowledgeable about France options too. I have used 6 annonce in the past and didn't have any issue. Maybe there are many fakes too but what reassures me it that all numbers are different. RDV4 u and Stroll display the same number for all women which kinda turns me off. I am not in Paris. Mostly in Lyon or Annecy, do you know any other reliable website to use? What do you think about escortdirectory, wannonce and sexmodel. Com? Looking forward to your reply and thanks in advance Man.

[QUOTE=USboy2020;2482742]Thanks for your feedback Siroja. Been on this website for quite some time but never thought of logging myself in. I have seen your comments pretty much all over the site so I am sure you are very knowledgeable about France options too. I have used 6 annonce in the past and didn't have any issue. Maybe there are many fakes too but what reassures me it that all numbers are different. RDV4 u and Stroll display the same number for all women which kinda turns me off. I am not in Paris. Mostly in Lyon or Annecy, do you know any other reliable website to use? What do you think about escortdirectory, wannonce and sexmodel. Com? Looking forward to your reply and thanks in advance Man.[/QUOTE]Yes, agencies have same number to book girls. In Annecy, better to enjoy the lake.