Bangkok Reports

[quote=sky ryder; 1561106]i been "boots on the ground" a few times in bkk, but find my local knowledge severly lacking when it comes to knowing what the real difference might be in some terms.

thanks.

sky[/quote]soapies use soap. oilies use oil. i am not being snide. that is the difference. well know soapies include annie's, nataree, la belle, amsterdam, the lord and the various venues along ratchada and phetchaburi, but there are many more rep001tered around bangkok. with the exception of annie's these primarily cater to thai men. well know oilies include snow white, mango and cherry. they cater more to farangs and feature more ladies who offer a pse. generally the oilies are on sukhumit soi 24, soi 24/1 and soi 26, but they are not limited to these sois.

a g-club is a gentlemen's club. to have access one becomes a member which means pre-purchase bottles of liquor, though one may purchase one bottle to gain access for one night. the g-clubs are upscale clubs with a bar, lounge, comfortable seating, floor shows and have more attractive ladies who are looking for a steady consensual relationship and stream of cash if not an outright sugar daddy. the patrons will be upper middle class thai men and expats with a good command of thai. generally the ladies speak little if any english and are interested in men living in bangkok.

also, there is this remarkable new technology called a search engine. now i am being snide. if you do a search using key words like "massage parlors bangkok" and "gentlemen's clubs bangkok" you can learn more and find lists of venues. on google the first hit on the gentlemen's clubs bangkok search is [i]complete guide to gentlemen's clubs in bangkok[/i]. you get the same result if you use g club in place of gentlemen's club.

Went to Crazy House (Soi 23) for the very first time today as I've been away from BKK for a fairly long time.

I sat in the ground floor area as I glimpsed at least 2 girls I would rate 8s, and 1 potential 10. The 10 was right up my alley, super petite, no tattoos, large eyes, defined nose, all round very pretty, fair to boot, and zero fat tummy. For those into numbers, she was #80, and my estimate is 155cm. 40kg, and low 20s. The only reason it is a potential 10 is because she could perhaps lose 0. 5lbs off her bum, but that's just me being incredibly picky. I suspect work done to the nose, and possibly boobs, though I'm not sure about the boobs since they were only borderline large for her petite size. Then again, girls that slim don't usually have much boobs at all.

Overall, the girls looked great, all slim to slim-ish, of varying heights from 155 to 170. This is not a great place if one is not a fan of tattoos though, as perhaps some 60-70% of the girls I saw had them. Some of them even had extensive full back tattoos.

Made friends with the mamasan, as well as one of the waiters / fixers (by offering them drinks of course) , and they proceeded to bring me the aforementioned 10. Disaster! She was still gorgeous up close, and slim as can be, BUT was ice cold. Nary a smile, just a polite hello, what is your name, followed by quietly sitting and sipping her cola. 10 minutes of boredom ensued, and I was glad to see her back on stage. Definitely not BF material, though she remained a delight (fully nude and all) on stage.

Well, mai pen rai, despatched the mamasan to pick me another petite girl, and she showed up with another. Dyed red hair, not so fair, but still petite of course. Perhaps 1 shade less petite than #80, but definitely nothing to complain about whatsoever! My estimate is perhaps 155/43.

This was great, and I BFed for ST. This was another somewhat unpleasant surprise, as the mamasan asked for 3500 incl BF, which was pretty high in my opinion. I laughed, and the price immediately dropped to 3000 incl BF, which while still not cheap for BKK, closer to acceptability. Besides, I was distracted with a super slim stark naked 18-year-old bouncing on my lap!

Unfortunately, back in the room, she was a total starfish. Cursory BJ, and not particularly responsive sex. I soldiered on of course, and focused on the naughty feelings of "pillaging" an 18-year-old, and she was on her way after no more than an hour in my room tops. Very oddly, she loosened up after, chatting, using Google Translate (which is spectacular for those who haven't used it yet) , etc, before hardening up and hitting me up for "taxi fare". I just wanted to goto bed at this point, and passed her 100 and sent her on her way.

Overall conclusion for Crazy House:

The venue is nice and new, and packed full of young beautiful girls. My bill for 3x whiskey cokes and 5x lady drinks was 1510, which is also par for the course. However, it perhaps reminds me of Baccara in how commercial it feels. While we all know that P4P is commercial, my personal preference is for a touch of GFE, false or otherwise (who cares!). Will I repeat? I will certainly bring friends here as Crazy House looks to join the ranks of Baccara and Rainbow4 as one of the top agogos in BKK, but the style isn't for me personally.

[QUOTE=Samui69;1561056]From not a very official source I here now Baccara will open tonight. Groundfloor only. I go check later myself this evening night.[/QUOTE]Yes, Apparently the second floor is pretty bad. Wonder what they will do with the second floor girls.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1561106]Is a "soapie" sometihng like Nataree? An "oily" might be Annie's? How does one classify something like Lord's?

Thanks.

Sky[/QUOTE]There are no clear and precise definitions. Establishments vary. Soapies is a Farang term applied to "Aap Op Nuat" establishments.

"Aap" means to wash. Normally means girls gets in bath / jacuzzi with you naked and takes much time to wash you very thoroughly everywhere.

The normal expectation is you then proceed to bed or massage table or blowup mattress for a "massage" (Nuat) which could be Thai style or not. In many cases the massage is dispensed with and sex follows instead or as well.

Yoremichi has a bath with the naked girl in some rooms, yet it would normally be seen as an Oily massage place, because the "massage" if given is usually a choice of Oil, Lotion, Gel, or even Thai massage. Pink and others also have Jacuzzi rooms (not all rooms). The definitions blur here.

Normally Soapies have all the girls sitting on display to choose from so you can sit for a long time looking at them to make your choice. This is probably the most stand out feature, along with the bath with the girl. Oilies generally are small establishments and mostly rooms have only space for a shower, and girls are usually called briefly to form a lineup. Choice has to be made more quickly. Annies can be seen as a Soapy (due to having a soapy bath with girl) , but does not quite match the standard pattern, in terms of having a lounge to view the girls at your leasure. They ring the bell to call girls to the viewing area more like an Oily line-up choice, but usually with girl numbers greater than Oilies.

Annies has massage tables rather than beds, at least in most rooms. Most Soapies have beds (if there is enough space) , as its more comfortable.

Then are the Kapoo style where full sex is not officially available. In some of these, girls will normally bath the guy before naughty massage, but she doesn't get all gear off and get into the bath too. E. G. Chavala group. Maybe they don't all have bath. I don't use them.

Nuru is another slight variation.

The confusing thing, is that places known as massage parlours, may not give any "real"/normal massage at all. I don't like real massage. I take body massage using tits, bottom, legs, mouth, but no real hand action except maybe lightly on the dick, balls etc.

Some places are not known as MPs, when its clear there is never any chance of a pretend massage. E. G. Eden.

I am taking VIP at Dr BJ, with full extended body slide massage, so my experience there is similar to a Soapy but there is no bath. Shower and soap up on the mattress is not really that far different. Having a bath is not really important just like having a real massage is not that important.

For real massage, go to a "Spa".

Nataree has two sections. One is for traditional Thai Massage (plus bath&sex) , the other is without the Thai massage, but still bath and sex. So its known as a Soapy, both sections.

[QUOTE=Globe Trots; 1561132]Went to Crazy House (Soi 23) for the very first time today as I've been away from BKK for a fairly long time.

I sat in the ground floor area as I glimpsed at least 2 girls I would rate 8s, and 1 potential 10.[/QUOTE]And last night the line up was not even at its best. Several top girls were missing. However you are right there was a 10 there.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1561137]Yes, Apparently the second floor is pretty bad. Wonder what they will do with the second floor girls.[/QUOTE]Lots of cheap BF's, they're having a fire sale!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1560878]Not so interested in ugly PSE girls.

Are there any stunning natural PSE girls around at present?[/QUOTE]

I'm not very picky about looks (as long as the girl is slim), but I haven't run across anything close to a [i]real[/i] PSE provider for many, many years. That is, since things began their severe decline about 2001-2003.

The thing I noticed about the Crazy House girls were that the prettier girls, IMHO, were in the nude group of dancers and the less pretty girls were in the covered group of dancers. In my recent visit to BKK I took a girl from both groups. I am an equal opportunity employer.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1561148]Lots of cheap BF's, they're having a fire sale![/QUOTE]Damn! And I'm home.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1561190]The thing I noticed about the Crazy House girls were that the prettier girls, IMHO, were in the nude group of dancers and the less pretty girls were in the covered group of dancers. In my recent visit to BKK I took a girl from both groups. I am an equal opportunity employer.[/QUOTE]I originally BFed a newbie girl from the covered group who was a very shy girl, and I had to train her up a bit. She had a Thai BF before but did not know much about DATY or BJ. Today she has become a wild raunchy danger showing off her pussy and bottom due to drinking too much alcohol. The change in character is total in the space of a few months. She is quite useless to me as a drunk girl.

Some girls are showing up very irregularly. Don't know if they have any salary left or all gone in fines. Bought drinks for a very young inexperienced girl last time (just 18). Only has been with a customer for sex once before. Far too shy, young and inexperienced to be worth the risk of taking her for ST. I can tell she would be just a grin and bear it type of girl. Meanwhile the girl I search for, May, is again missing.

I had come from a session at Dr BJ with an extremely experienced girl, so knew it just would not be the same with a total newbie. At Dr BJ, the girl asked me did I want to change to a different girl as her pussy was sore after shaving problem. I stuck with her due to her accepting that DATY would be okay and her bottom was available. In the end turned out with plenty of lube, her pussy wasn't out of action after all. She turned quite horny instead. I would rate her as very good GFE and PSE together. Not quite stunning but quite a good face and ass fairly good too. She is a funny girl, because at times she will put on an exaggerated act in a way that is meant to be totally obvious, as a sort of joke, as though overly exaggerated performance is what was expected from the girl. Then she will make a laugh, and revert back to more natural style, without anything exaggerated. Not quite sure why she thinks that a short stint of totally over the top acting is funny, maybe its as though some girls would do this as normal behaviour and she is attempting to send them up or imitate them, or as though some customers would not know it is complete bullshit. Anyway she does not try to pretend its real, its just a strange sort of joke, till she reverts back to her more natural self.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1560675]As I speak very, very little Thai, I think of the soapies you refer to as an exotic out of the ordinary adventure for me. One of the appeals to me is the availability of food and drink and no rush nature of these venues.

I routinely have a drink at Annie's and the Dr BJ establishments before picking a girl. I am bemused by the reports that these venues discourage this.[/QUOTE]I take no part in the MP's or other venues simular. Neither do I participate in anything involving barfines or ladydrinks. But the good doctor himself (Dr BJ) have made ME visit (I blame him in a humoristic manner) Spanky gogo and I picked a girl (I mean why not).

Except from that I stop by him from to time to have a chat and a few beverages. Friendly bloke. By the way in all this discussion involving pricings in certain venues the FL market is still running the same way as it did 8 years ago. I mostly pay 3k LT today and did so 8 years ago. On occation you have a female asking for some extras as in taxi money sth I give sth I am not.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1561244]I take no part in the MP's or other venues simular. Neither do I participate in anything involving barfines or ladydrinks. But the good doctor himself (Dr BJ) have made ME visit (I blame him in a humoristic manner) Spanky gogo and I picked a girl (I mean why not).

Except from that I stop by him from to time to have a chat and a few beverages. Friendly bloke. By the way in all this discussion involving pricings in certain venues the FL market is still running the same way as it did 8 years ago. I mostly pay 3k LT today and did so 8 years ago. On occation you have a female asking for some extras as in taxi money sth I give sth I am not.[/QUOTE]I am with you on the barfines and lady drinks. These days I don't do it. Became an oily guy pretty much exclusively around '07. Before that was about 80% FL 20% GoGo. Thermae, Nana Disco, some of the hotels, and a few of the after hours places. Never paid more than 1k ST.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1561187]I'm not very picky about looks (as long as the girl is slim), but I haven't run across anything close to a [i]real[/i] PSE provider for many, many years. That is, since things began their severe decline about 2001-2003.[/QUOTE]Still out there, but only in a few oilies and usually with providers that were trained back in the "good ole days." But yea, back in the late 90s and early aughts it was pretty amazing. I think some of it was due to the fact that almost all the gals loved to drink and party. Yaa Baa was also a factor.

In Soi Cowboy. Expected a lot of pressure for ladydrinks. Had 5 come up to me at once. I said I can only buy 2, and gave in for a 3rd. Seemed to ease the pressure a bit.

Also was pressured to immediately go to the naughty corner. I said I want to relax with my drink first.

At my 2nd drink, I gave in. Bought 3 more drinks and asked 2 ladies to service me in the naughty corner.

Nothingless than incredible! They took turns, in full view of that section of the bar. A few patrons and a few workers.

$1000 baht each, plus the drinks. But I saved my allowance and knew I would splurge.

Expect pressure but expect a lot of fun too!

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1561127]Also, there is this remarkable new technology called a search engine. Now I am being snide. If you do a search using key words like "massage parlors Bangkok" and "gentlemen's clubs Bangkok" you can learn more and find lists of venues. On Google the first hit on the gentlemen's clubs Bangkok search is [I]Complete Guide to Gentlemen's Clubs in Bangkok[/I]. You get the same result if you use g club in place of gentlemen's club.[/QUOTE]PK,

As I said in the title, I know my questions were a little silly. I actually used Google Search before I posted, but wanted to make sure that "our" defintion of oily, soapie, G club, were the same as Google's.

The "snideness" was well deserved on my part (I appreciate you didn't use a more appropriate term, I haven't heard "snide" in quite a while) , now I have a pretty good handle on what constitutes each category. I will now do my due dilegence to try and locate an establishment that is likely to provide me with an approxiamtely 27-35 yr old willing companion that I will enjoy spending a few hours a day for three or four days in a row.

I have ruled out go go's as I have early mornings every day I am in town and need my beauty rest. LOL.

In all seriousness, I appreciate everyone's contribution. I also appreciate the comments about the hotels, it helped me make an informed decision.

Best,

Sky