Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1561127]Also, there is this remarkable new technology called a search engine. Now I am being snide. If you do a search using key words like "massage parlors Bangkok" and "gentlemen's clubs Bangkok" you can learn more and find lists of venues. On Google the first hit on the gentlemen's clubs Bangkok search is [I]Complete Guide to Gentlemen's Clubs in Bangkok[/I]. You get the same result if you use g club in place of gentlemen's club.[/QUOTE]PK,

As I said in the title, I know my questions were a little silly. I actually used Google Search before I posted, but wanted to make sure that "our" defintion of oily, soapie, G club, were the same as Google's.

The "snideness" was well deserved on my part (I appreciate you didn't use a more appropriate term, I haven't heard "snide" in quite a while) , now I have a pretty good handle on what constitutes each category. I will now do my due dilegence to try and locate an establishment that is likely to provide me with an approxiamtely 27-35 yr old willing companion that I will enjoy spending a few hours a day for three or four days in a row.

I have ruled out go go's as I have early mornings every day I am in town and need my beauty rest. LOL.

In all seriousness, I appreciate everyone's contribution. I also appreciate the comments about the hotels, it helped me make an informed decision.

Best,

Sky

I went to Dream Heaven about 5 weeks ago two times. I reported the first time then I went back the next night. I saw two girls. One was named Mo and the other I don't recall her name. The choice was only about 5 girls but they were attractive enough. Service was excellent. We started with a nice shower, then into the tub for a little fun. After the tub the girls took charge in the bed and were great fun and had a great attitude. They did what ever was asked. Mo appears to be about 19 and the other girl seemed about 22. Not sure the real ages. I would go see them again. This was some of the best service I have experienced in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1561187]I'm not very picky about looks (as long as the girl is slim), but I haven't run across anything close to a [i]real[/i] PSE provider for many, many years. That is, since things began their severe decline about 2001-2003.[/QUOTE]The other day I got lucky. Ran into a girl near NEP in BKK who was the best DFK I've ever had on planet earth, whether LOS, Canada or SG. She also did BBBJ with her sexy Angelina Jolie sized lips for a long time, massaged my weiner between her largish tits without even a request for this, & asked what else I'd like. She was kissing me all over & rubbing her knockers everywhere. All that was just the warmup for the main event. Although she was by no means the best looking girl ever, and not my prefered slim body, it was one of the top rated sessions I've ever experienced.

Asking price? You guessed it, the dirt cheap 1000 baht per hour.

Which leads me to ask, what is this PSE you speak of? Something like this:

"Porn Star Experience. A term used to describe a sexual encouter where the partner exibited certain porn-like characteristics. Usually including such things as: Talking Dirty, CIM (cum in mouth) , a general knowledge of sexual positions and willingness to sexually please."

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pse[/url]

Out of the 4 items listed, the last two are of interest to me, though I can think of quite a few others to add to the list & which are preferable & I've often experienced in BKK every year since 2007. Well over 1000 days in all.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1561127]A G-Club is a gentlemen's club. To have access one becomes a member which means pre-purchase bottles of liquor, though one may purchase one bottle to gain access for one night. The G-Clubs are upscale clubs with a bar, lounge, comfortable seating, floor shows and have more attractive ladies who are looking for a steady consensual relationship and stream of cash if not an outright sugar daddy. The patrons will be upper middle class Thai men and expats with a good command of Thai. Generally the ladies speak little if any English and are interested in men living in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]No need for memberships, for example St Moritz (100 yards north of the Presidential Palace Hotel on Soi 11) anyone can access, but you its not cheap. 1000 bahts for first drink and you can hang at the bar if you want. So to just to hang will cost you about 6 times as much as to hang for an hour or two in lets say Rainbow 4. Anything beyond that and you need to be carrying stacks of 1000 baht bills. These are not budget clubs.

Now in regard to St Moritz, its quite luxurious, with probably a 60 foot? ceiling, with an incredible sound system to play the recorded music, which alternates between (sometimes awful) live bands. Certain nights its closed, and some nights the Coyotes do not even dance, (they just hang and do a walk by once in awhile) so you have to make sure ahead of time. I would think at some point with the protests, these clubs are going to be under severe financial stress. G clubs are in some sense like (baseball) farm teams to display and showcase potential talent for ultra rich Thais and Japanese to then recruit for their personal collections, so that may help some keep going longer.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur; 1560673]As another ISG member has already written it, the profit margins are (outrageously) high in the P4P establisments located in popular tourist areas. Moreover, the prices have increased at a much higher pace than how prices have in Thai venues, especially since year 2008.

In Thai venues, the prices have increased and still fluctuate (more or less) following the evolution of the local average monthly income in all kinds of establishments (cheap brothels, karaoke joints and massage parlors of all sorts, etc.). If, for instance, one prestation in a specific establishment amounted about 15% of the Thai average monthly income ten years ago (6754 baht in 2004) , then, it usually still costs about 15% of the current Thai average monthly income nowadays (12163 baht for the most recent data for the last quarter of 2013) and the quality of said prestation has not declined in the meanwhile...[/QUOTE]I'd suggest that with the existence of the internet in YK2, as opposed to the pre internet era, a smaller percentage of punters are ignorant about pricing & "romance scams". In 2014 hobbyists are better informed because of the world wide web than they were in 2004.

I doubt that two week millionaires are any thing new to the scene since it inception decades ago.

By your stats Thai P4P pricing has almost doubled, increased 100 percent, since 2004. You claim the farang market has seen much higher increases & most of these have occurred since 2008. Yet streetwalker rates around NEP have remained unchanged since 2007, with the quality IME being constant, & the HIV rates probably way lower.

HIV rates in Siam among P4P female sex workers was much higher 5, 10 & especially 20 years ago. It hit its pinnacle around 1994, the year some here consider to be the heyday of P4P in LOS. LOL. Back then you also didn't have the advanced testing & meds that are available today. HIV was more or less a death sentence.

[url]http://www.unaids.org/en/Regionscountries/Countries/Thailand/[/url]

[url]http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-thailand.htm[/url]

well i had my fun in bangkok.

this here is a diary of sorts of my 1st day in thailand. its going to be a bit long winded, as most of my frs generally are.

before i begin, i will give a bit of perspective on my fr, by telling about myself. i am what some may call a "management" type. of indian origin.

so i reached bangkok early in the morning and took the public transport to bts nana.

on reaching nana bts, i checked into my hotel, the icheck inn nana.

a bit of review about this hotel. i absolutely loved it. its location is perfect. it is withing 100 mtr of the bts station and right next door to the world famous mongering temples like eden club and dr. bj's. its a newly constructed one and the rooms are clean and modern and for the price, darned good. also, considering that they advertise their hotel as an "adult" hotel, its absolutely gf. but wait, there's more. the bathroom is separated from the bedroom by a sheet of glass. so if you get a girl there, you can always watch her bath from your bed. _.

overall, really impressed with this hotel and it will likely be my regular port of staying whenever i am in thailand.

as a first timer to thailand, i had some fun observations. the roadsides around nana are littered with hawkers selling stuff like viagra, cialis and cheap plasticky sex toys. seeing rows upon rows of dildoes out in the open footpath kinda made me giggle a bit. i am pretty sure i'l be getting a fleshlight as a memento of this trip.

the other observations was about touts. i seem to be some kind of tout-magnet (or maybe i look that sleazy?). it was hard to walk 10 feet without someone promising "hot model massage" on the road. at first i would smile and say no and try to walk past them. later i learned to just tune them out.

anyway, after checking in i rested a while and late noon decided to go say hello to my next door neighbors. i walked into eden club. the guy at the bar asked me if he can help me.

this question fucked me over. i replied " i am here to partake in the activities."

for a surreal moment, i hoped that i could burrow into the ground. the guy just raised his eyebrows.

"i heard i can pick 2 girls here". i tried again. if i had any spaghetti in pockets, this would be the time for them to fall out.

thankfully, the guy (micky) took over then. gave me a short run down of the place and called for the lineup. i chose the prettiest (and nicest body) girl on the bum-bum side of the line. her name was dao.

here micky, thinking me to be the rank novice i was acting like, asked her to choose another girl. she tried choosing one from the no-fun side of the line, before i corrected her and told her to pick from the other side. well she picked a rather older girl who was certainly not a hottie. but since this was my first time there, i decided to go with the flow. her name was pat (phat?)

we retired to the room on top of the bar. its a nice small room, the majority of which was covered by a bed. mirrors hung on the either side of the bed and on the ceiling.

the girls asked me if they can have a drink and i agreed. i also got them to get a smoke for me.

after we had settled down a bit and done 10 mins of chit chat, dao took me into the attached bathroom. there she washed me and then herself. i was soaped all over and my genitelia and my sweet virgin asshole was diligently cleaned. i asked dao if i can "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]" on her and she agreed. i then had the most awkward urination of my since i attained puberty.

once i was dried we went to the bed and pat went in to bathe herself.

i wouldn't detail the action much now but dao gave me a nice blowjob. pat didn't have much to offer lookswise but was clearly more experienced and enthusiastic.

dao had bolted on tits and a nice toned body which i found fascinating. dao also had a tendency to do the fake moans a lot which i wasn't too fond of. both girls were ok with dfk. both also ate my ass which i absolutely loved. overall service was great. i know a lot of people fault these girls to be mechanical in their service, but i found both of them to be very pleasant. it helps if you chit chat with them a bit beforehand. both spoke decent english. and most importantly they were both very nice and willing to accommodate me.

once done i paid my dues at the counter and left the place. wir? yeah. i liked the idea of a place where i didn't have to discuss or negotiate. just plop down the fixed rate and do the deed.

one thing which i didn't like is that the girls took a damned bath after every event. over all they both took 3-4 baths in that 90 mins. started to make me feel very unhygenic. . .

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1561423]The other day I got lucky. Ran into a girl near NEP in BKK who was the best DFK I've ever had on planet earth, whether LOS, Canada or SG. She also did BBBJ with her sexy Angelina Jolie sized lips for a long time, massaged my weiner between her largish tits without even a request for this, & asked what else I'd like. She was kissing me all over & rubbing her knockers everywhere. All that was just the warmup for the main event. Although she was by no means the best looking girl ever, and not my prefered slim body, it was one of the top rated sessions I've ever experienced.

Asking price? You guessed it, the dirt cheap 1000 baht per hour.

Which leads me to ask, what is this PSE you speak of? Something like this:

"Porn Star Experience. A term used to describe a sexual encouter where the partner exibited certain porn-like characteristics. Usually including such things as: Talking Dirty, CIM (cum in mouth) , a general knowledge of sexual positions and willingness to sexually please."

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pse[/url]

Out of the 4 items listed, the last two are of interest to me, though I can think of quite a few others to add to the list & which are preferable & I've often experienced in BKK every year since 2007. Well over 1000 days in all.[/QUOTE]When I moved here 95% of my sessions were that good. And all 1k baht or less.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur; 1560673]The Bangkok sex industry is not limited to the establishments that cater mostly to foreigners (and preferably, the most gullible ones). Actually, I wouldn't regret most of these venues (especially the go-go bars) if they were disappearing tomorrow, because they have now become outrageous ripoffs where only people who have more money than sense can get satisfaction without noticing how their owners and service providers are taking them for ignorant fools!

As another ISG member has already written it, the profit margins are (outrageously) high in the P4P establisments located in popular tourist areas. Moreover, the prices have increased at a much higher pace than how prices have in Thai venues, especially since year 2008.

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Oh, and by the way, well-behaved Westerners are welcome in Thai venues (from low to high-end ones). Of course, you have to know the ropes and it might be difficult if you can't speak at least some basic Thai, but they are not forbidden to the white-skinned, long-nosed visitors. I know some places where Arabs and Indians are not welcome though (yeah, it's xenophobic and based on stupid prejudice) , but I have yet to find a true "Thai-only" establishment. If they exist, they are far than being numerous compared to the large amounts of Thai venues that accept Western guests (and also other foreigners hopefully).[/QUOTE]I, too, couldn't care less if the go-gos, etc, disappeared overnight. They're a hangover from the Vietnam era. And, they tend to be lousy strip clubs, which was sort of their main attraction. Pre-crackdown most go-gos were chock full of nekkid, or nearly so, ladies. Today, not so much.

Stickman had an interview with a famous bar owner a couple of weeks back. He (the owner) stated that the margins today are nowhere near what they were several years ago. It seems most of the increased cost is in the girls' salaries. Of course, he wouldn't discuss the police payoffs, so I have no idea what those have done over the years. The point was that a go-go is no longer a license to print money. Good riddance, I say.

I agree with the Thai venues. Of the few I've been in, farang (not the kee nok variety) were certainly welcome. The only "-only" places I've ever seen in LOS were Japanese-only clubs.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1561563]I, too, couldn't care less if the go-gos, etc, disappeared overnight. They're a hangover from the Vietnam era. And, they tend to be lousy strip clubs, which was sort of their main attraction. Pre-crackdown most go-gos were chock full of nekkid, or nearly so, ladies. Today, not so much.

Stickman had an interview with a famous bar owner a couple of weeks back. He (the owner) stated that the margins today are nowhere near what they were several years ago. It seems most of the increased cost is in the girls' salaries. Of course, he wouldn't discuss the police payoffs, so I have no idea what those have done over the years. The point was that a go-go is no longer a license to print money. Good riddance, I say.

I agree with the Thai venues. Of the few I've been in, farang (not the kee nok variety) were certainly welcome. The only "-only" places I've ever seen in LOS were Japanese-only clubs.[/QUOTE]

Go Go's? Lousy strip clubs? Strip club patrons can only wish strip clubs were anything near as good. And if they disappeared? it would be a major hit to the entire Bangkok P4P experience. More than anything THEY are the (globally recognized) core visual element of the entire industry, the very symbol of Bangkok in terms of the adult entertainment business. Taking them away would be like Disney losing Mickey Mouse.

Strip Clubs in the states, for example even the big ones in New York City, are typically only going to have a very small number of girls on stage at any given time vs Go Go's like Rainbow 4 or Baccarra who routinely have 30 to 40 girls on stage all with a number and virtually all available for takeout, with their stage presence almost overwhelming the senses of the average patron walking in. Even small Go Go's routinely have 8 to 15 girls on stage. Strip clubs are basically just a tease, and attractive strippers also offering FS are few and far between, and will typically cost you 3 to 5 timers the cost of Bangkok Go Go girls, for a session sometimes lasting as short as 15 minutes, and usually behind only a curtain.

Go Go girls are not necessarily good value for FS compared to other Bangkok options like FL's and Oil girls, but in terms of entertainment and the in-club experience, they are hard to match.

Now in regard to the huge numbers of Coyotes now working in the clubs, probably 80% are in fact available for OTC, so they are really (hybrid)"Coyote-take out" girls, Yes, the barfine portion itself will at least be double, but its still cheap compared to the west. Now there are still pure Coyotes, some that don't seem to even dance like the scrawny barely 18 year old (doorgirl) Coyotes working outside the "Arab's" Bars in Soi Cowboy, but that's not really reflective of the larger emerging (hybrid) Coyote trend going on, which if anything is keeping the supply of P4P girls higher than it otherwise might be, as most of these girls once they taste the big money rarely want to go back to normal work, unless they find their rich dudes.

Because they are now running unchecked in the states, with now multiple NFL teams being sued by ex members of their Cheerleading squads, for among other things lack of pay, being made to get weight checks, and a variety of other issues. And here is the Ballbuster lead attorney at the center or all these cases: [url]http://www.levyvinick.com/images/pic_people_vinick.jpg[/url]

Some teams now have decided to just eliminate the squads. The ballbusters just don't want increased pay, or stopping of the degrading "jiggle test" a test clubs do to make sure the girls haven't gained any weight between games and for forth, this is about shutting down NFL Cheerleaders squads completely. In fact it was ballbusters 20 years ago that threatened to boycott advertisers if the broadcast networks didn't limit Cheerleader camera shots to a maximum of 10 seconds per game (true) , which is fact is the rule they all follow now, but I guess that wasn't enough for the ballbusters.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1561612]Go Go's? Lousy strip clubs? Strip club patrons can only wish strip clubs were anything near as good. And if they disappeared? It would be a major hit to the entire Bangkok P4P experience. More than anything THEY are the (globally recognized) core visual element of the entire industry, the very symbol of Bangkok in terms of the adult entertainment business. Taking them away would be like Disney losing Mickey Mouse.

Strip Clubs in the states, for example even the big ones in New York City, are typically only going to have a very small number of girls on stage at any given time vs Go Go's like Rainbow 4 or Baccarra who routinely have 30 to 40 girls on stage all with a number and virtually all available for takeout, with their stage presence almost overwhelming the senses of the average patron walking in. Even small Go Go's routinely have 8 to 15 girls on stage. Strip clubs are basically just a tease, and attractive strippers also offering FS are few and far between, and will typically cost you 3 to 5 timers the cost of Bangkok Go Go girls, for a session sometimes lasting as short as 15 minutes, and usually behind only a curtain.

Go Go girls are not necessarily good value for FS compared to other Bangkok options like FL's and Oil girls, but in terms of entertainment and the in-club experience, they are hard to match.

Now in regard to the huge numbers of Coyotes now working in the clubs, probably 80% are in fact available for OTC, so they are really (hybrid)"Coyote-take out" girls, Yes, the barfine portion itself will at least be double, but its still cheap compared to the west. Now there are still pure Coyotes, some that don't seem to even dance like the scrawny barely 18 year old (doorgirl) Coyotes working outside the "Arab's" Bars in Soi Cowboy, but that's not really reflective of the larger emerging (hybrid) Coyote trend going on, which if anything is keeping the supply of P4P girls higher than it otherwise might be, as most of these girls once they taste the big money rarely want to go back to normal work, unless they find their rich dudes.[/QUOTE]I think the biggest difference between BKK and clubs in the States, or Mexico, or just about any other place, is that the girls in these other places dance. And strip. And at least make things more visually exciting. A bunch of girls standing around in bikinis, doing the Buffalo Shuffle, isn't much of a draw, IMHO. Even if they are available for take-out. Personally, I think the current business model is dying. Business is down all over. Expats seem to be avoiding the go-gos primarily, as you point out, because they are a terrible value. I think their days are numbered.

[quote=phordphan;1561563]i, too, couldn't care less if the go-gos, etc, disappeared overnight. they're a hangover from the vietnam era. and, they tend to be lousy strip clubs, which was sort of their main attraction. pre-crackdown most go-gos were chock full of nekkid, or nearly so, ladies. today, not so much.[/quote]which "crackdown" do you refer to? the biggest crackdown i ever noticed was when thaksin came to power many years ago. bars were required to close earlier, non-thai and **** girls were swept out. since then, things have gradually gone back to normal. the presence of complete nudity has come and gone depending on the police administering the nana plaza, cowboy, and phat phong areas. when i first arrived 20+ years ago, there was no complete nudity in cowboy, nor nana plaza and only in upstairs phat phong. once nudity arrived at nana plaza, e. g. lollipop, pretty lady, voodoo, etc. i was obviously going there in preference. then complete nudity was stamped out in np and later showed up in suzie wong at cowboy and long gun. today there is as much full nudity as ever, i guess. crazy house has girls walking around completely naked as well as dancing naked. suzie wong and long gun still have full nudity, also doll house etc. then there are the numerous look up the skirt clubs, with no knickers (not my preference). at nana, spankies has some full nudity and i am not sure which other clubs. most np clubs don't have full nudity but plenty of g-string type clubs, where little is left to the imagination.

most go-gos are not strip clubs, although long gun clearly does do strip type of shows, and i am sure there are others. stripping is not exciting to me. i just prefer to see girls naked. i was even surprised i got a hard on last time at crazy house where girls have shaved pussies. looking at the girl's bottom, she had considerable gap so that pussy was clearly visible in detail through the gap. dick went up which is unusual for me purely from visual stimulus.

[QUOTE=Western787;1561612]Now in regard to the huge numbers of Coyotes now working in the clubs, probably 80% are in fact available for OTC, so they are really (hybrid)"Coyote-take out" girls, Yes, the barfine portion itself will at least be double, but its still cheap compared to the west. Now there are still pure Coyotes, some that don't seem to even dance like the scrawny barely 18 year old (doorgirl) Coyotes working outside the "Arab's" Bars in Soi Cowboy, but that's not really reflective of the larger emerging (hybrid) Coyote trend going on, which if anything is keeping the supply of P4P girls higher than it otherwise might be, as most of these girls once they taste the big money rarely want to go back to normal work, unless they find their rich dudes.[/QUOTE]I had recently checked out Cowboy 2 Coyote as girls there are BFable, but I did not take one. I think they wanted 2k BF and 6K ST. Maybe I have these numbers slightly wrong now. Bad memory. Maybe I exaggerate. None of them seemed worth it. LOL.

Last night checked out Rio, an "Arab" bar I believe. The reason was simply a girl outside was pretty and had an incredible body. Curvy and muscle toned, perhaps only tall with high heel boots. Once inside I too noticed that most of the Coyote girls on stage were too lazy to dance. Most were rather average looking. Only one or two were really hot. The one I followed tended to keep making ugly expressions on her face when talking to her female friend. I decided despite her beauty, I was not even interested enough to wait and call her for a drink. I was sort of swamped by girls that I did not even glance at, who were of absolutely no interest at all. The girls in Crazy House are better looking, overall even if there are a couple of fat ugly girls.

Very few customers In Rio. It was after midnight so perhaps they have more customers at other times. However I can believe that these bars are not making any money and are there for money laundering purposes. Cowboy 2 is different as it is not owned by the Arab and seems to be more popular.

Last time I was in Deja Vu, a long time ago, it was hybrid of Coyote and Go-go girls. I did not like it as the Go-go girls were below standard. had some LBs too. Meanwhile I think bars like Doll's House are about to go bust. Too many fat girls working in there and bad management with silly rules.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1561555]When I moved here 95% of my sessions were that good. And all 1k baht or less.[/QUOTE]Mine as well, though from 2007-2014.

Although I tend to hang on to great performers & seldom try any new ladies, as they are generally a disappointment. 9 times out of 10. I also usually tip extremely well.

When was your experience, the HIV heyday of 1994, when you were 22? I'm glad you survived it.

BTW congrats on your 1000th post. Keep it up.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1561742]I It was after midnight so perhaps they have more customers at other times. However I can believe that these bars are not making any money and are there for money laundering purposes. Cowboy 2 is different as it is not owned by the Arab and seems to be more popular.[/QUOTE]Arabs do not need to make much money laundry. Unless you refer to those from countries where there is an unstable (or possibly a not so easy) government.

It is other people bringing money in arab countries for money laundry!