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Since I signed, I have to pay. Even if I would get a police report.Are there any websites summarizing how to deal with this kind of issue? Now I'm fucked twice, cc company has my fuckup on record, and I still am broke.

[QUOTE=Somedude31]I've just had a really bad experience in a "all you can drink" Bar in Kabukicho. I paid about 12000 Yen for drinks for a girl, and 10000 for going to a private room. I didn't think i'd get too drunk, since i haven't in 6 years, but i did. After feeling really shit and lying around vomiting, the barguys came and gave me a 140,000 Yen Bill, which they forced me to pay with my cc, despite protesting it was too much. After not getting me out for another 2 hours, they brought me another bill for 90,000 Yen, at which point i kinda woke up. I threatened to call the police, and finally gave them 40,000 Yen and ripped my credit card from that guys hand. Then i went to leave, but they made a photo with me, gave it to me, didn't let go of my hand, and made another photo, which i tried to take from them - but they didn't let go of it. I then went to a taxi, and tried hard to sober up at my hotel. I know i fucked up, no need to preach. Still, they charged stuff i never ordered or consumed. This is blatant theft. Any of you have experience with things like this? I have the one photo with me and the guy, and the first bill over 140,000 Yen. Should i complain to the credit card company? Any chance of succeeding, or would i just be documenting my idiocy? Will they require a lawsuit, or can they just not pay the charge, if they suspect fraud / extortion?[/QUOTE]BTW, the same scam operates in other cities like Paris and London. In Paris, so called life shows in Pigalle operate in the same way as do Soho clip joints in London. RTFF and be safe!

agreed - report this immediately to your cc company! and go to the tokyo police and file an official complaint. these guys do this all the time, and as previous poster mentioned, there's a very good chance they spiked your drinks and the weak blackmail crap is total b$ -- they still think that 'family back home' cares what/where you were.The RULEZ -1) NEVER NEVER GO TO ANY CLUB THAT HAS A TOUT! Especially a Nigerian tout! They are the total scum of Tokyo (and also moving into China) The Nigerians came in as the 'handymen' of the Yaks and now are moving in on the extortion, shakedown, rough-up business. The yaks stay in the background and let all the Nigerian gang members do their dirty work.2) REPEAT RULE 1.Don't worry about their threats and crap - they are illegal in Japan and won't touch you - bringing the police or immigration authority attention is a far worse threat to their 'business'. The police in kabukicho are under more scrutiny these days , and alot less 'on the take' than a few years ago. Especially when it comes to Nigerian gangstas. Their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ant days are numbered.S.

I would file a claim against the actual charge, essentially claiming that you did not buy the services provided and that you were overcharged. It can't hurt. If they put the charge into dispute, at least it will be a total that you don't have to pay until they can confirm you made the purchase. It's worth a shot. Call me naive, but it has worked for me before.LN

And make sure you cancel the card. Otherwise a number of Y99,000 computer purchases at Akihabara will start to appear. It's happened to me...

Folks,RTFF at least the last pages are not encouriging to go out for fun. Anyhow I just have one evening in Tokyo and wish to take a Japanese girl (never had the experience before), but prefer outcall to the hotel and do not speak any Japanese at all. Anyone of you have contacts to legal age but young ladies, with a reliable service and fair rates.Otherwise I better cancel my idea and sleep alone.Thanks for your help folks,Greetings TomP.S.: For those asking if I am a regular contributor please refer to the Dubai, Frankfurt und China section for reports.

I'm California based but in Japan for travel. First, thanks to the preceding tips about Champs and NYNY. Those seem to be places that won't turn their noses up at gaijin. I'll give them a try this week when I'm in Tokyo.Second, I can actually contribute something useful. I was in Tokyo last weekend and stayed in Kokubuji, which is little ways out west. There is a train station by that name. Walking back to my hotel, which was near the station (I think the hotel's name was "New York Decor"), I was asked by a woman in the street if I wanted a "special massage." I didn't take her up on it at the time since I was meeting a friend for dinner, but after dinner when it was late, I found her again and she quoted me 10,000 yen for 1 hour. She then led me to a place a couple doors down from my hotel, up to the 2nd floor. After a shower, I had a young Chinese girl named "Emily" who provided CBJ and FS for the price. The girl was cute and young and gave me her phone number and told me to call her. I haven't yet. The place appeared to be one large room with the different beds separated by curtains so you can hear what's going on all around you. I will be staying in Shinjuku next week so if anyone has any gaijin friendly tips for me (other than Champs and NYNY and George the guy with the Greek accent), I'd appreciate it.My only other experience in Tokyo was in Roppongi a couple years back. I had massages in two places on that main street that runs through Roppongi. The first was from a Korean girl who did lots of touching but not anything more than that. The other was from a Chinese girl who did the same and kept pumping me for more money. I'd call both of those experiences a bust.I'm in Hiroshima now. The reports from the Hiroshima forum aren't encouraging so maybe I'll just have some drinks tonight.I was in Nagoya earlier this week. There are lots of massage joints near the station but none of them seem to want anything to do with gaijin. Is this is a language barrier thing or is it more of an attitude that "you foreigners are not going to fuck our Japanese girls?"

If you read the posts over the last few months, you'll find lots of info about outcall services. The most reliable and highly rated outfits are Asian Mystique and Club Boo. The posts will tell you why in some detail. [QUOTE=Tom2004]Folks,prefer outcall to the hotel and do not speak any Japanese at all. Anyone of you have contacts to legal age but young ladies, with a reliable service and fair rates.

Well, I had a bit of time and money so I thought WTH, why not blow some cash and have some fun in the process.I have now tried both of these establishments and although I can't fairly compare the girls on average (since I effectively left it to chance) I can summarise the two places reasonably well.Asian Mystique is an establishment run by a foreigner to service foreigners. Because of this, they have focus on english language skills (and as you'll notice on the web site, they mention the skill level for each girl.) The guy who answers the calls (presumably the owner) is an american, so there is no difficulty in communication.When I called them (it was some time around 23:00) I had the choice between two girls, and I went with Risa (of course now I can't even remember what the other choice was.) People have covered her quite well already. She really is an OL type... started conversation by saying she'd just come from work and that she had a very bad job. No idea if it's true but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. ;-) English skills are quite good. Moans nicely... quite loudly, as others have already mentioned. Loves to be pleasured, nipples are either really sensitive or she fakes it well. Actually I found more enjoyment in pleasuring her than in her pleasuring me, but that may just be my nature. FS offered without me even asking. I came twice in the two hour session, fitting in massage and cuddling time as well (would have come more if the entire time had been dedicated to sex, of course...) The extra time really does help. Would definitely nominate her for a future session.Club Boo appears to be more of a "typical" DH place, but unlike most of those places they don't shut out foreigners. The Boo Mama has a bit of an accent which made things slightly more difficult to arrange. Also, they insisted on calling my hotel room to confirm that I was in the room (something AM didn't do. Not necessarily bad, just different.)With Club Boo I got Kana, who was fairly new. I don't know how to summarise her... she's younger, smaller, but probably on an equal level of attractiveness to Risa (I've never been good with allocating numbers, I can only compare one against another.) Her English skills weren't as good, but that was expected and my Japanese is still worse than her English and it's not like we would be talking all that much during the session. ;-) Didn't offer FS, but I didn't ask (I actually prefer BJ, honestly.) BJ technique was better overall but when I try to come up with a way of describing it words don't work. :-) Not sure if I would nominate her again, I think if I were going with Club Boo again I would pick someone else to see why people keep saying they're so much better.Anyway, in both situations they handled the peculiarities of my hotel (secure elevator, an annoying feature) well. In retrospect though, I might have been better off paying a small extra cost and getting a love hotel. Actually at this point in time I'm still in the country, and seriously considering using AM again but going to a love hotel. However I should banish these thoughts as it's going to cost me money that could be spent on other things.ijou desu.[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Was in Shinjuku yesterday and decided to stop by Hinomaru around 7:30pm.The price at this time is Y8,000 and addtional Y2,000 if you choose from the picture board. Gaijin freindly. Chose #33, pretty young, cute and nice tits!started off with some small talk then she took off her nightie and allowed me to kiss and fondle her breast was she was stroking me through my pants. Washes you with cold towels but soon was bobbing up and down to get me hard then put a raincoat on me and straddled me but wouldn allow me to get inside her as she continually pointed to the sign "No Sex" all the time teasing me but rubbing my member on her clit and smiling. Iam sure if you are a regular you probably would get FS if you are lucky. Havent been in along time but very enjoyable. the place wasnt busy and ended up having three beers to boot. She gave me her meishi with the days and time she works and it gives you a Y1,000 discount on your next visit.I will return.

I'm not sure if this garners much sympathy here because getting drunk is one of the biggest causes of gaijin skepticism amongst Japanese adult businesses. For those of us who separate drinking from our mongering, which often takes a bit of self-control, it's really frustrating because so many places are closed off to us. Anyway, it sounds like you were victimized by a classic Kabukicho clip joint, the type that anyone with a little common sense can get very bad vibes from during the proposition phase from the tout.One word of advice, if you need to drink and you're in Shinjuku, stick to legitimate izakaya, small taverns and stands and avoid "clubs" which promise you things that sound too good to be true. Most certainly, don't mix mongering with alcohol, you're just ruining it for everyone else. Kabukicho is one of the worst areas to be mongering in, anyway, that's well documented here and it should be common sense just walking around seeing all of the hand-written signs saying, "No Foreigners" and things like that.A long time ago, more than 20 years ago, my Japanese friends warned me about clip joints in Kabukicho, run by the Yakuza, where you will be clipped for as much as they think they can get out of you. They told me to stay away. Now, when I'm there, I just consider all of the tout-infested places to be potential clip joints and it's purely instinctual that I would never consider entering one of those places.Consider this an expensive lesson for all of us.[QUOTE=Somedude31]I've just had a really bad experience in a "all you can drink" Bar in Kabukicho. I paid about 12000 Yen for drinks for a girl, and 10000 for going to a private room. I didn't think i'd get too drunk, since i haven't in 6 years, but i did. After feeling really shit and lying around vomiting, the barguys came and gave me a 140,000 Yen Bill, which they forced me to pay with my cc, despite protesting it was too much. After not getting me out for another 2 hours, they brought me another bill for 90,000 Yen, at which point i kinda woke up. I threatened to call the police, and finally gave them 40,000 Yen and ripped my credit card from that guys hand. Then i went to leave, but they made a photo with me, gave it to me, didn't let go of my hand, and made another photo, which i tried to take from them - but they didn't let go of it. I then went to a taxi, and tried hard to sober up at my hotel. I know i fucked up, no need to preach. Still, they charged stuff i never ordered or consumed. This is blatant theft. Any of you have experience with things like this? I have the one photo with me and the guy, and the first bill over 140,000 Yen. Should i complain to the credit card company? Any chance of succeeding, or would i just be documenting my idiocy? Will they require a lawsuit, or can they just not pay the charge, if they suspect fraud / extortion?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Somedude31]Since I signed, I have to pay. Even if I would get a police report.[/QUOTE]Nonsense! You were coerced to sign for goods or services not rendered. Call your credit card company immediately and dispute the charges, and get the card blocked or cancelled. Those criminals are counting on people being too ashamed to complain.Good luck.

Agreed --- having some experience in this industry:1) Should you EVER fall prey to one of these scams - cancel your CC immediately! This prevents any further liability to you (up to cc agreed limits) of the card, and also 'red flags' it for use by the scammers - for example if they try / succeed to use it in another location. So, in essence you are helping the authorities in nailing the bastards.2) File a police report as soon as you can. There are rules against coercion, and the police know full and well this happens. They also know the clubs that do it - and the names of the companies that are suspect. However, unless YOU file a report and submit it to the CC company it's basically your word against the scammers. Get the police on your side, and the case immediately.3) Every CC allows you to dispute a claim. Once you do this, your charges to the account may be delayed up to <whatever the cc account allows> xxx days, while they investigate the dispute. If the vendor is a known scammer, then a chargeback will be issued and your account cleared. If they are not - then the scammers have a certain period with which to submit evidence of their claim. The evidence is based on similar activites and of course any outstanding disputes by the customer/s.4) You can bolster your case further by returning to the club (or have a friend do it) and surrepticiously photo any menus or claims to charges. For example, many of these clubs list their cover charges and basic charges outside. What you got charged would likely be in complete contradiction to the listed prices - which every service establishment is required by the CC to provide as part of their service agreement.5) It's true that once you sign the check, the responsibility is basically yours to pay. Thats why - if you are coherent enough, simply refuse to sign. Then demand to call the police. There's nothing they can do to force the money from you legally. If the police intervene, then they will attempt a negotiation of fees. Delay this as long as possible. At least you'll have chance to sober up. Or call a friend. Or a lawyer. 12hrs at the Police Station may be a hell of a lot cheaper than $2000 credit card bill! Unfortunately the elements at play here are generally directly associated with being drunk, drugged or largely incoherent. So, you're not on the same playing field as your contenders. People do stupid things when they get drunk or drugged, the scammers know this and they also know that the CC will back THEM up first unless malfeasance can be proved. Luckily, the law side pretty much understands these scams and picks up on them quickly. However you gotta follow the due process to let the system work. If you don't, it's basically greenlighting the scammers.Finally - take this as a hard lesson. There are bad people out there - who will basically do anything to snag your money. So - take conscious note of this BEFORE you get out on the town. Set some limits and protect yourself. I usually carry a 'party card' which has a very low limit - only $300.00 So my maximum risk is that -- AND if I do run up against trouble, fine - they can charge my card to hell and back and get nothing over that - cause it's THEIR responsibility to verify the card, not mine! Also - never carry any of your real ID with you. Just make a photocopy of what's required and carry that in your sock - separate of your wallet.You are lucky you are in Japan. Other countries the bastards will get ALOT more physical. Again, the small limit cards and reduced ID really help. The scammers are after your money , primarily, not a jail sentence for assault or murder. And if they are not native to the country, they know full well their risks in rocking any boats or getting close to the reefs.I've seen some pretty gnarly scenes, been in a few too, and managed to slip through with only a few bruises - mostly to my ego. So, what I say above is combination of direct experience, some industry experience and gleaned from others. I'm sure everyone has, or should have their own safety rules and checklist. If you don't , then I'd suggest taking to heart what happened to our brother 'Somedude' and developing one quickly.Don't think this only happens at the touts. I know personally one friend who was 'emptied' by 2 Fillipina cuties he managed to 'nanpa' out of Motown. They Micky'd his drink, went home - and 24hrs later he found himself in his apartment completely cashless , with half of his apartment belongings ripped off. Ooops! Good case for throwing 'NIMBY' into your safety list.

Soujourn,Very good advice here. I have a little to add. I have a friend who owns a place that pays the local business association fees for protection. He has a phone number to call if there is trouble. The police only show up after the trouble is resolved. They are not in the business of settling disputes, the local business association (i.e. Yakuza) takes care of this. He told me that he has never had a problem that could not be settled by the local association. The police agree with this arrangement and will usually not show up until the local association representative is there taking care of any problems. The police only file a report and move on. At first, I thought he was BS'ing me but another friend confirmed that this is the way that business is done in Japan, mainly because the police are a national police force and not local and therefore answer to the national organization.Additionally, if you're drunk or were drunk at the time the "incident" takes place, don't expect much sympathy or belief in your story. Remember, that the business owners and workers were sober and it's the customer who was drunk and out of line.Lastly, I rarely go out drinking with credit cards in my pocket, nor do I have any ID, other than what's stuffed in one of my socks as you suggest. I usually take sufficient cash to deal with what I have in mind for that evening. If I do go out with a card, I take my low limit card reserved for Internet transactions which I can transfer funds to via e-banking website access. They're not going to nail me for more than 4-man and that's about it. If I get stupid, then 4-man plus my cash is my punishment for getting stupid, end of story.These businesses, although unethical and marginally criminal are in the business to clip you of your funds but they are not suicidal and they have no interest in being closed down. They can easily get started up again down the block but there is a cost associated with doing that so they are averse to trouble.The bottom line is, you drink or do drugs and get stupid, you deserve what you have coming. Plan for it if you can't control yourself and cut your losses before they happen. This is just plain common sense. It's a hostile world out there and there are plenty of evil people trying to get your money. Just remember that and be safe, have a good time and avoid trouble.[QUOTE=Soujourn]Agreed --- having some experience in this industry:You are lucky you are in Japan. Other countries the bastards will get ALOT more physical. Again, the small limit cards and reduced ID really help. The scammers are after your money , primarily, not a jail sentence for assault or murder. And if they are not native to the country, they know full well their risks in rocking any boats or getting close to the reefs.I've seen some pretty gnarly scenes, been in a few too, and managed to slip through with only a few bruises - mostly to my ego. So, what I say above is combination of direct experience, some industry experience and gleaned from others. I'm sure everyone has, or should have their own safety rules and checklist. If you don't , then I'd suggest taking to heart what happened to our brother 'Somedude' and developing one quickly.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong but do foreigners in Japan not have to carry ID at all times? If that is so, would your situation not be worse by not having the ID as the cops would nail you for not having your ID on you in contravention of the law? These place strike me as the same as the Soho London clip joints or soem of the Patpong places in Thailand. Enter at your peril. The cops probably have to live and let live and so they do not come down hard on these places. And the scammers play on this.