Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=MrGogo;2023463] Mongers and working girls walking around holding hands...[/QUOTE]Disgusting.

The exchange rate was 28 pesos and your memories do not jive with the 2004- 2005 reports. I read the reports. Guys had to lock their valuables and worry about girls flipping the scripts just like we do. Oh ya there was also police picking up girls off the streets randomly. Read the reports. They are right here. They were paying 1000 pesos for short term not all night, I have been coming for 5 years and the biggest changes have been the closing of prime spots like Passions and Rumbas. There are more hardcore girls than in the past because the stroll is tougher. In the past the mongers were older and may be more gentle. The younger guys are doing numbers and not interested in GFE. So the girls see this and are into numbers as well. Mongers have created the environment we now have. If Sosua has changed it is because we have changed it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2023654]And besides that it was 1000 pesos for all night instead of this $100 stuff that you routinely hear today. Ray Charles can see how much the place has changed and he is blind...and dead too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrGogo;2023463]Why do you do that stuff, you know Mr Oakie don't want to hear about the Old Sosua. It would have been nice Old Kool if you had posted links to those reports here so we could see what you were talking about. Mr Oakie please let me rebuttal Old Kool and I will crawl back into my hole if you don't mind Sir.

Old Kool said "Nothing has changed much". First off, girls didn't know what an hour fuck was back then. They stayed all night and the deal was sealed with a morning nut and breakfast. Western union was cranking back then as that was the long game hustle. Girls wanted a gringo boyfriend as a prize to take home and show the family. Most girls lived in Puerto Plata, Montellano, and La union, so you had that local flavor that was more personal. Not the Santo Domingo hustlers that are there now. It was more romantic as GFE was the play back then. Mongers and working girls walking around holding hands in love for a weekend, don't see that at all anymore. New gardens, Black Beards, Field of dreams and other hotels always had a Saturday and Sunday bikini show.

Latinos had a horseshoe shaped bar with a disco in the back, Passions was one of a kind with a sex menu, CPB and Club X all gave Classicos competition. What's left? Classicos.

Girls would fuck you and clean your room then sit straight up on the bed waiting to see if you want to keep them. I can only speak of the time from 2006-2011 as the old days for me, but I can only imagine that 15 years ago when it was raw that it was even better. Sure you had a few hardcore girls back then that would flip a newbie, same as today.

If you looking at 15 year old posts Old Kool, maybe it's time for you to book another trip bro.[/QUOTE]Always glad to hear from Mr. GG. A true diplomat, and a true veteran!

Also, anything and everything about our favorite subject, Sosua. The good, the bad and the ugly.

Maybe we can agree that Sosua has, or will change, as we all do.

5 or 10 years in any one place (or one relationship) can get a lot of guys jaded. You are not what you were 10 years ago. Mongers age, mongers change, budgets change, sex drive changes. We all recognize that.

I'm always amused by the contradictions. I go to Sosua to burn off excess sex drive, more easily than I can do it at home. A lot of you are taking enhancement drugs, cialis, viagra in order to perform. The young guys I know always want to give me some pills to bring with me. I tell 'them, I don't know but that sounds the same as Bulimia to me. I haven't got there. Yet!

What is not changing are the number of new, fresh, young, pretty putas who are coming into Sosua, all the time. If that's your thing. You got it!

If you need viagra to handle them, it may be time to find a new way to spend your money!

I see a lot of jaded guys talking about moving to to the "next level". I'm not sure if I'm ready for the ladyboys of Brazil and Thailand, just yet :)

What has happened to Sosua is what happens to all markets. There is more money around these days, so the old jaded monger who expects a GF and a maid for 1000 pesos, is living in the past. There's no 10 cent cup of coffee and no hundred dollar suit anymore.

But I see firsthand with my younger buddy that the mothers of these fresh new chicas still want to "adopt" him, and at least 2 mothers accompanied their daughters, with sister, cousins, and a baby, last time out. They'd like him to stay with them next time, and not waste his money on hotels and restaurants. He's Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny all rolled into one.

A lot of us once knew that feeling.

And when they leave town he brings in another 2 whose mother we have also met!

But at some point he'll start paying attention to his budget, and in a few years he'll be complaining you can't get the whole family loving and cooking for you for 5000 pesos a day.

It's all good cultural fun in the beginning, but now he is just starting the process to ask himself, why he doesn't just get the 2 sisters, without the moms and the rest of the family. Less seats to reserve at the restaurant.

I just watch and lend a hand. I've been there, done that, and now I'm just content to pick my own spots and enjoy the game, which is a lot easier if you have local connections.

Last time I got a newbie who rocked me, and met a non / semi pro with a real job, I'll be looking for next time out.

Oh, and I forgot! It's great place for a vacation, Kick back and chill!

And, as always, can't wait to get back!

[QUOTE=OldKool;2023697]The exchange rate was 28 pesos [/QUOTE]This is half the problem right here. Guys worrying about the exchange rate. In DR 1000 pesos is 1000 pesos is 1000 pesos. It is irrelevant to what 1000 pesos equals in dollars, euro, pounds, shekels, or rubles.

Great post, it's going in my personal archive.

The next level I'm talking about is not another country but it's a mentality after years of growth. You described it well in your post. You are at that next level even as you say you might not be ready for it.

Reading your posts with amusement. .

I've been to plenty of other places but will travel to the DR for the first time later this year. Looking forward to the change of scenery. I don't want to detract from your exchanges but are there not any newbies visiting Sosua these days? I would have expected that there would be at least one or two fresh trip reports interwoven into the last numerous pages of this Sosua thread? I know such things would be pointless to old DR vets like yourselves but for someone visiting for the first time. A thorough trip report from someone that has visited recently (and maybe not been to the DR more than a couple of times) would be very useful.

Anyway, just thought I'd check in here. My vacation isn't until the end of the year so will be stopping by here regularly in between times.

Mr. Enternational,

The majority of women all over the world want to be "taken care of" by men (buy me stuff, show me a good time by taking me places, fix things for me). You are hinting that you want more from the girls in terms of a relationship simply by spending more and more time with them. We buy girls stuff, cook for them, and take them places to try to impress them and prove we are different (not in it for the quick bang). Some girls try it in reverse. Just meeting the girl's friends and family is a sign that you want more in the relationship. True, the DR girls could not care less whether we are American or not. Only if we have money. If we are from America and have time and money to vacation in the DR then all signs point to we have money by default. All around the world women use their bodies to attract men and men use their money to attract women. I know I am nothing special to these women and vice-versa. You think otherwise. If you are correct then why travel to all these other countries to get "normal" women. Just stay in USA. Go pick up on 20 year old there. They want nothing to do with us because American 20 year old do not need our money, already live in America, and most definitely do not want to marry any of us.

Funny example from just last month from here in USA. Two black age 35 women in a poor rural hick town (poorest county in the state) were talking. Julie teases and tells Amanda that she knows a guy who likes Amanda. Amanda asks who but Julie will not tell. Amanda asks 2 more times and then asks Julie if the guy is rich. Not if he is a nice guy, young guy, good looking guy. But a RICH guy! Older women really want money because they know what having to work for a living means and usually have kids to care for. They use the "long game" so not to spook the guy to early and run him away.

[QUOTE=Joe100;2023807]Reading your posts with amusement. .

I've been to plenty of other places but will travel to the DR for the first time later this year. Looking forward to the change of scenery. I don't want to detract from your exchanges but are there not any newbies visiting Sosua these days? I would have expected that there would be at least one or two fresh trip reports interwoven into the last numerous pages of this Sosua thread? I know such things would be pointless to old DR vets like yourselves but for someone visiting for the first time. A thorough trip report from someone that has visited recently (and maybe not been to the DR more than a couple of times) would be very useful.

Anyway, just thought I'd check in here. My vacation isn't until the end of the year so will be stopping by here regularly in between times.[/QUOTE]I was there last month. My Trip Report is post #28253.

Have fun!

1000 pesos back then was $35 american. Today 1000 pesos equates to $25. The going rate today is 1500 pesos that is $31. Exchange rate is very relevant, I am shocked you do not understand that.

it was nice reading the old posts and I will be in the ground in a month

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2228-2005-Archived-Sosua-Reports


[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2023749]This is half the problem right here. Guys worrying about the exchange rate. In DR 1000 pesos is 1000 pesos is 1000 pesos. It is irrelevant to what 1000 pesos equals in dollars, euro, pounds, shekels, or rubles.[/QUOTE]

This is my second attempt at typing up and uploading this report. This time I'm writing a rough draft in gmail so I can just copy and paste in case there is another error with posting on the site again.

My first version was a lot more fun and eloquent. I'll do my best this time around. Sorry for all the grammatical errors.

Here we go.

If you are into choice spirits make sure you buy at the duty free in the states. We were in Miami and bought up a bunch of liquor but since we were there for 4 days we didn't buy enough.

Flew into POP and made our first mistake, we exchanged some cash at the airport at 40. Xx. I read somewhere not to exchange but we did anyways. Turns out all the places we ended up going to used USD at the rate of 47. Scammed number 1.

As we head out the airport a few of the guys with bigger bag got them escorted by the porters, obviously a tip was needed to be paid. It turns out two of our guys had their conversion rate all off and thought 500 peso bill was about 0.40 cents. So he ended up giving him four 500 peso bills. After the rest of the group found out and explained he made a mistake I walked back to the porters with my friend so he can explain a mistake was made. The porter went to his other porter friends and got 3 of the 500 peso bills back. I shook his hand and said "I know you have to hustle but don't hustle us" doubt he understood but in the end he did get "US" for 500 pesos. Getting scammed number 2.

Airbnb host was supposed to have 2 vans for us but they never showed. Supposedly there was traffic, I truly doubt that. There was no traffic to be seen. As we were waiting for the vans to never show up we were constantly hassled by the drivers that were there. Once we realized we needed to secure our own transportation we got a quote to Sosua for 30 USD. And as soon as we were ready to go they asked exactly where we needed to go and since it was "further" it was going to be another 5 bucks per van. Felt like we were getting scammed again. But after 4 nights of taking vans back and forth from the Action to the villa I think the extra 5 was justified, but at the time this was scam number 3 haha.

On the way from the airport to the villa we see first hand the rough exterior of the Sosua in order to get to the even rougher interior haha. From the chica who was sitting mere inches from an overflowing trash bin that had to stink from the afternoon sun, to the chica with soulless eyes who stared down our van and lastly the countless sketchy looking dudes trying to peer into the van as we passed. 2 vans fulls of guys heading towards the "rich" part of town attracts unwanted attention.

We get to the villa, ocean front, right on the shore. No sand beach though, just super sharp lava rock, more on that later. I'm sure yall have seen, been or can at least imagine those big house they got out there right on the water. The place was crazy nice. Best villa I've been in. We chill for a bit and hit Bailees for dinner.

I'm no foodie by any means but I know what I like and I can appreciate technique in the food preparation. I know this restaurant isn't going for a Michelin star so all I will say is that at the time the food was clean at tourist prices. What was worth the price was the view of the street. After seeing about 10-15 chicas walk by there had to be at least 1-2 worth possibly propositioning. Looks like Sosua ha some actions for me.

After dinner we loaded up at Playero Super Market for the groceries our chef will need and snacks for in between. Great store and they take USD.

After getting back to the villa we decide to check out Classico. At first when we roll up it looks crazy sketchy. When we get inside I'm surprised with the talent in there. There had to be at least 4 worth while candidates for myself. Solid 8's 9's and even a few 10's. A local introduces himself and says if we need anything that he is our guys. We had our guard up, I know this type of dude. Same type all over the world. Wants to be your "friend" for "tips" I'm not going to hate on the mans hustle as long as he respects me when I say no.

Local dude recommended we get a bottle and table. We agreed since this what we do back home when out and about. As I watch the chicas, or should I say as they watch us. Every eye in that place was on on us, except a few exceptional chicas who were the cream of the crop. I witnessed a few gents go up to this particular chica and all would leave her after a short convo. I can only assume she was too expensive or super picky with her Gents. Finally one of the previous gents who spoke to her went back and sealed the deal. I wonder how much he paid and for how long.

After about 30 minutes of getting the bottle 5 of the 9 guys in our group have picked a chica for the night and started to head back to the villa. The four remaining including myself headed upstairs to the club. Local guy talks to ticket lady and we pay 200 pesos each. I wonder if he got a cut of that. Anyways, we get upstairs and it's almost completely empty. Maybe 5-10 chicas and more closer to the 5 number haha. We get a few steps in and turn right around.

As we stand outside Classico 2 of us pick a girl and head back. Now it's just myself and one last member of the group without a chica and we decided to go chicaless for the first night. Fine by me. As I get back to the villa the party is in full swing. Not wanting to be the 15th wheel and be in the way I grab my things and head towards my own prebooked room down the street. After a 17 hour travel day sleeping alone was nice. I was excited to wake up for day 2.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2023697]The exchange rate was 28 pesos and your memories do not jive with the 2004- 2005 reports. I read the reports. Guys had to lock their valuables and worry about girls flipping the scripts just like we do. Oh ya there was also police picking up girls off the streets randomly. Read the reports. They are right here. They were paying 1000 pesos for short term not all night, I have been coming for 5 years and the biggest changes have been the closing of prime spots like Passions and Rumbas. There are more hardcore girls then in the past because the stroll is tougher. In the past the mongers were older and may be more gentle. The younger guys are doing numbers and not interested in GFE. So the girls see this and are in to numbers as well. Mongers have created the enviroment we now have. If Sosua has changed it is because we have changed it.
.[/QUOTE]Sustained!

--Rodeo (Sosua Veteran since 2006).

[QUOTE=JamesBlack007;2024161]This is my second attempt at typing up and uploading this report. This time I'm writing a rough draft in gmail so I can just copy and paste in case there is another error with posting on the site again.

My first version was a lot more fun and eloquent. I'll do my best this time around. Sorry for all the grammatical errors.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report JamesBlack. Glad to see you guys self-corrected from being hustled left-and-right very quickly.

Just FYI, sometimes the system logs you out if you are typing a long report. But all you have to do is hit the Login button and your post will still be there (as long as your username and password are pre-filled in).

It usually goes like this:

-Typing a long report.

-Hit "Preview" or "Post" button.

-System says you need to log in.

-Hit "Log In" button.

And you can then preview the post, or will see your post if you hit the "post" button.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2024000]1000 pesos back then was $35 american. Today 1000 pesos equates to $25. The going rate today is 1500 pesos that is $31. Exchange rate is very relevant, I am shocked you do not understand that.

it was nice reading the old posts and I will be in the ground in a month

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2228-2005-Archived-Sosua-Reports[/QUOTE]I can take it back to early 2002 and pricing was very similar. The peso exchange then was about 17 to the dollar and the standard rate was 500ST and 1000 TLN and had been stable at that for a couple years. So about $30ST / $60 TLN. Over time the rate is sticky to round number exchange values so it holds for awhile as the understood price until it shifts to the next even number. Then as now hotter chicas ask more, chicas more desperate settle.

Exchange rates strongly reflect local cost of living. Currently 1500 is pretty old, I'd say the norm now is 2000/4000. 1500 though represents a respectable norm to offer.

In 2002 Sousa had also recently been though a crackdown intended to shut down overt prostitution and improve the tourist image of the place. The whole north coast was hit by a major drop in tourism because of 9-11 and a drop in tourist air travel. Real Estate prices were in free fall.

Then as now outside of a few bars in Sosua and Boca Chica, the country has a player oriented culture that's completely local and isn't much changed by politics and image considerations from year to year.

I do think there's more crime in general now.

[QUOTE=MarcAnthony;2024358]I can take it back to early 2002 and pricing was very similar. The peso exchange then was about 17 to the dollar and the standard rate was 500ST and 1000 TLN and had been stable at that for a couple years. So about $30ST / $60 TLN. Over time the rate is sticky to round number exchange values so it holds for awhile as the understood price until it shifts to the next even number. Then as now hotter chicas ask more, chicas more desperate settle.

Exchange rates strongly reflect local cost of living. Currently 1500 is pretty old, I'd say the norm now is 2000/4000. 1500 though represents a respectable norm to offer.[/QUOTE]When I first went to the DR in February of 2004, it was the dying days of the Hipólito Mejía government and the peso was at 50 to the dollar, and everything seemed incredibly cheap if you had dollars. His presidency had seen major inflation and instability of the peso in 2003 because of the bankruptcy of three major commercial banks in the country due to mismanagement. During his remaining time as president he took action to save the people who had deposits in the closed banks, avoiding a major crisis. At that time power cuts were also very frequent in the recently privatized electricity generating industry, and this was a cause of periodic civil unrest when people had no power for their fans and could not sleep at night. Some nightclubs were lit with candles, which cannot have done much for fire safety. The dollar exchange rate was in the 40's to the dollar when he left office in August 2004. By the winter the exchange rate was 28 to the dollar and the DR did not seem like half the bargain it had been. However since that time the exchange rate has gradually crept up towards 50 again. The exchange rate only stayed at 28 to the dollar for a short time, before heading off into the 30's.

Local produce and labor is pretty cheap, but imported foods and goods have become pretty expensive again, so if you want to get the best value in the DR, local goods and services provided by local labor or built by local labor are still a pretty good deal. The fall in the price of oil has clearly been a boon for the Dominican economy, but the price of air fares to get there seems to have gone up sharply, especially from the US, and the $145 per ticket taxes added on, plus the $10 tourist tax to add insult to injury probably does not help.

Of course fluctuations in the exchange rate do not always have an immediate effect on residents, for example your monthly rent would probably stay the same in a time of fluctuation, but the price of imported foodstuffs might change pretty rapidly. The price of oil might change quickly, but the price of taxi fares would probably stay the same for a while, so people were not always aware of the effects of currency exchange rate changes.