Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929262]Thank you. Any person with any common sense would know that Russia gains absolutely nothing by attacking a children's hospital.[/QUOTE]I agree. The children in the hospital are a great source for Russia's effort to reseed its population.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2929182]Just came here to say you are an idiot if you think people get paid by the Russians to troll on this forum. The soon you realise that, the better.

What benefit Russia would gain targeting a children hospital? None. In 2 years Russia has been very careful not to involve or kill civilians. On the contrary Ukraine targeted Russian civilians in the Donbass for year. Not to mention the attack on the Crimea beach. Russian missile strikes have been absolutely precise, and on military targets or infrastructures. Only an idiot could think that Russia deliberately decided to destroy a children hospital. You are out of your mind.[/QUOTE]Complete lies, the lot of this.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929258]Facts based on what I saw in the videos. Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]Based on the facts that I saw in videos, you are wrong. Proved.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929207]Looks like you are failing at reading comprehension. I said if Putin wanted to FLATTEN Kiev (NOT capture, the two are different), he could do it within a day or two. He doesn't. Instead, he has been very patient and hitting military targets only.[/QUOTE]Your adversaries here have little or no education and no understanding of advanced warfare. Threads like this are used as a dumping gorund to contain them. No form of advanced discussion is possible because these bots wil just crap in the middle of it. They are the type of folk one avoids.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2929181]Blood Red is a strong contributor to the UAE / Dubai threads. There's no way he's a paid propagandist. [/QUOTE]Take a good look at all the reinforcements that have arrived here literally overnight, old and new, including the trolls you've never seen here before. Still believe BR just happens to be a selfless, passionate madman who just must defend Russia and Putin against all odds on a mongering forum?

I haven't seen a single serious military expert who would subscribe to Russian lies about Ukraine hitting its own hospital in Kyiv. It's not like Russia doesn't have any number of "experts" in their employ, but this is so implausible that no one wants to back it and lose the remnants of their credibility.

Proof #1. Yes, contrary to the nonsense Questner and RB are spewing, the missile [B]does have the wings[/B]. See the photo.

[URL]https://twitter.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1810686983506735555/photo/1[/URL]

Proof #2. Turbofan motors only belong to cruise missiles like Kh-101, not NASAMS, which are rocket-powered. See the photo.

[URL]https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1810756595329974588/photo/1[/URL]

Proof #3. Bellingcat analysis has conducted a detailed investigation of the attack and proves that it couldn't have been anything but Kh-110 with a plethora of datapoints. See multiple photos.

[URL]https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/07/09/russian-missile-identified-in-kyiv-childrens-hospital-attack[/URL]

I like what this guy says: "Russia's goal not to convince someone in something, their goal is to make so many versions, people will not believe ANYTHING. ".

[URL]https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1810787212440785011[/URL]

Those of you who want to position themselves as Putin's crooks or useful idiots -- who am I to stop you? Keep crying how it doesn't make sense to Putin to kill children, as if he hasn't already killed thousands of them.

Ukraine man no longer approaches stranger Ukrainian man in America. Must be introduced by common friend now like mafia. He doesn't want to hear your thoughts or share his. He wants to live in peace with his family and forget horror story in his country.

Osbourne Cox: And you're my wife's lover?

Ted Treffon: shaking his head No.

Osbourne Cox: Then what are you doing here?

Pause.

Osbourne Cox: I know you. You're the guy from the gym.

Ted Treffon: I'm not here representing HardBodies.

Osbourne Cox: Oh, yes. I know very well what you represent.

Pause.

Osbourne Cox: You represent the idiocy of today.

Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.

Osbourne Cox: Yeah. You're the guy at the gym when I asked about that moronic woman.

Ted Treffon: She's not a moron.

Osbourne Cox: You're in league with that moronic woman. You are part of a league of morons.

Ted Treffon: No. No.

Osbourne Cox: Oh, yes. You see, you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. My whole fucking life. But guess what. Today, I win.

Gun shot.

Russia does not deliberately target civilians in large cities. Hundreds of cases against Ukrainian officers are in prosecution, and other are targeted through reconnaissance or other efforts as information can be bought or supplied. On the other hand ombudsmen on both sides work with Qatar's assistance on separated families. Russian even has a two percent income tax surcharge on higher incomes to pay for rare orphan diseases for children and has very tough laws related to minors and follows international obligations. The suggestion that Russia hit the kids hospital on purpose is preposterous, evil and yes, moronic.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2929348]Your adversaries here have little or no education and no understanding of advanced warfare. Threads like this are used as a dumping gorund to contain them. No form of advanced discussion is possible because these bots wil just crap in the middle of it. They are the type of folk one avoids.[/QUOTE]They have a very low IQ as well.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929207]I said if Putin wanted to FLATTEN Kiev (NOT capture, the two are different), he could do it within a day or two. [/QUOTE]Yes, sorry, I did not catch that correctly. Did not assume, your understanding of ". Breaking the morale of the population. " includes to FLATTEN Kiev. Typical Nazi philosophy.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2929480]Yes, sorry, I did not catch that correctly. Did not assume, your understanding of ". Breaking the morale of the population. " includes to FLATTEN Kiev. Typical Nazi philosophy.[/QUOTE]I was just applying your logic. You seem to think that Russia would bomb a children's hospital to break the morale of the Ukrainian people. I don't think that is the case as Russia is not targeting civilians. I just said that going by your skewed logic, if that were the case, then Russia could just carpet bomb Kiev and reduce a big chunk of it to rubble to break their morale. But Russia has no interest in doing that, despite Ukraine hitting a beach in Crimea with families and killing children. But that's okay in your book I guess.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929505]I don't think that is the case as Russia is not targeting civilians.... But Russia has no interest in doing that, despite Ukraine hitting a beach in Crimea with families and killing children.[/QUOTE]Russia is targeting civilians, it has been proven time and again. They have a keen interest in doing it, why? Because they are Russian and have no morals. Ukraine didn't cause the carnage on that beach, it was the crappy air defence and deployment of. Also even the Z team told people not to go to that beach, but Orcs can't help themselves. Whatever risks I might take, I would not take any family to an active war zone for a beach vacation. Just shows the imperialist mentality of the Orcs.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2929515]Russia is targeting civilians, it has been proven time and again. They have a keen interest in doing it, why? Because they are Russian and have no morals. Ukraine didn't cause the carnage on that beach, it was the crappy air defence and deployment of. Also even the Z team told people not to go to that beach, but Orcs can't help themselves. Whatever risks I might take, I would not take any family to an active war zone for a beach vacation. Just shows the imperialist mentality of the Orcs.[/QUOTE]Your racist crap is disgusting.

Look, I understand why the latest bombing of the Kyiv Children Hospital is seen as an extraordinary event. The pure evil of this premeditated act makes it harder for those Russophiles and useful idiots in the West to look away and come up with their regular bothsider excuses.

But in reality, killing Ukrainian civilians -- including children, women and elderly -- is no big deal for Putin's Russia. They've been doing it for over two years, and they're completely comfortable with their methods. Seriously, what happened on July 8 is nothing extraordinary for those -- hmm, biological entities.

Just look at this war timeline (the sources are below). And keep in mind, it does NOT include any killings in the areas the Russians are currently occupying. That's more than likely going to add thousands upon thousands of victims when Ukraine has liberated its territory.

28 Feb. 2022 - 16 May 2022.

Russian siege of Mariupol: at least 8,034 deaths; likely up to 75,000.

3 Mar. 2022.

Invading Russian forces fire grenade launchers on a column of evacuating civilians between Motyzhyn and Yasnohorodka, killing 37 people.

9 Mar. 2022.

Russian airstrikes on a Mariupol maternity ward and children's hospital kill five people.

11 Mar. 2022.

A Russian tank kills 56 people at a nursing home in Kreminna.

16 Mar. 2022.

Donetsk.

A Russian airstrike on a Mariupol theater kills 300 sheltering civilians.

29 Mar. 2022.

A Russian airstrike on a regional administration building in Mykolaiv city kills 36 civilians.

1 Apr. 2022.

[QUOTE]Since Russian forces were pushed back from Kyiv at the end of March, the bodies of more than 1,000 civilians have been discovered in the Bucha region - many hastily buried in shallow graves. The BBC has learned that around 650 people were shot in what a senior police official has described as executions. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On 8 August 2022, officials released a count of civilian deaths in the town of Bucha alone: 458 bodies419 with signs of shooting, torture, or violent traumaand 39 of apparently natural causes but being scrutinized for their relationship to the Russian occupation. 366 were male, 86 female, and five of indiscernible gender due to their condition. Nine were children. 50 bodies remained unidentified, along with body parts and ash.[/QUOTE]The revelation of massacres of civilians in Bucha, Borodyanka, and Irpin suburbs of Kyiv city ends peace talks.

8 Apr. 2022.

A Russian missile carrying cluster munitions kills 57 people boarding an evacuation train in Kramatorsk.

7 May 2022.

A Russian airstrike kills 60 civilians sheltering at a school in Bilohorivka.

16 May 2022.

Russian forces capture Mariupol.

27 Jun. 2022.

A Russian missile strike on a shopping mall in Kremenchuk kills 20 civilians.

1 Jul. 2022.

A Russian airstrike on residential areas of Serhiivka kills 21 civilians.

9 Jul. 2022.

A Russian artillery strike on Chasiv Yar kills 48 civilians.

14 Jul. 2022.

A Russian missile strike on a concert hall in Vinnytsia city kills 25 civilians.

Unidentified explosion kills over 50 Ukrainian prisoners of war in Russian-held Olenivka.

25 Sep. 2022.

Russian forces kill 50 civilians attempting to evacuate from Kupiansk.

14 Jan. 2023.

A Russian missile strike on an apartment building in Dnipro city kills 46 civilians.

28 Apr. 2023.

A Russian missile hits an apartment building in Uman, killing 24 civilians.

3 May 2023.

Russian shelling of Kherson city kills 24 civilians.

13 Jun. 2023.

A Russian missile strike hits an apartment building in Kryvyi Rih, killing 13 civilians.

27 Jun. 2023.

A Russian missile strike on a restaurant in Kramatorsk kills 13 civilians.

6 Jul. 2023.

A Russian missile strike on a residential building in Lviv kills 10 civilians.

7 Aug. 2023.

Russian shelling of residential areas in Pokrovsk kills 10 civilians and wounds 82 others.

19 Aug. 2023.

A Russian missile strike on a drone exhibition kills seven civilians and wounds 150 others.

5 Oct. 2023.

Russian missile strike kills 59 civilians at a wake luncheon in Hroza.

29 Dec. 2023.

Russian missile and drone strikes kill 32 civilians in Kyiv city and two dozen others across the country.

6 Jan. 2024.

A Russian missile strike on Pokrovsk kills 11 civilians.

7 Feb. 2024.

Russian missile and drone strikes kill four and wound 40 others in Kyiv city.

2 Mar. 2024.

Odesa.

A Russian drone strike on a residential building in Odesa city kills 12 civilians.

15 Mar. 2024.

A Russian ballistic missile strike kills 21 people in central Odesa city.

17 Apr. 2024.

A Russian ballistic missile strike on Chernihiv city kills 18 civilians.

[QUOTE]According to the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU), 703 civilians were killed or injured in April 2024, rising to 864 casualties in May a 31 per cent month-over-month increase in fatalities and the highest level since June 2023.[/QUOTE]8 Jul. 2024.

Kyiv, Kryvyi Rih, Dnipro, Pokrovsk, Kropyvnytskyi Massive attack against several Ukrainian cities including a Kyiv children hospital leaves at least 36 dead, 140 wounded, and the wounded keep dying.

Sources:

[URL]https://www.hrw.org/feature/russia-ukraine-war-mariupol/counting-the-dead[/URL]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/20-days-in-mariupol-filmmaker-q-and-a[/URL]

[URL]https://acleddata.com/ukraine-conflict-monitor/[/URL]#timeline.

[URL]https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/ukraine-situation-report-12-july-2024-enuk[/URL]#.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61442387[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre[/URL]#cite_note-NYT-Gall-94.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre[/URL]#cite_note-WaPo-Sly-95.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2929515]Russia is targeting civilians, it has been proven time and again. They have a keen interest in doing it, why? Because they are Russian and have no morals. [/QUOTE]You're correct that Russian servicemen aren't exactly paragons of virtue. Most come from tough backgrounds and grow up in poverty, far away from big cities. They keep their heads down, follow orders and suck up to their local bosses, so a power trip like this one is intoxicating.

But there's a big difference between killings on the ground and deliberately targeting civilians en masse, like on July 8th. Here, Russia's using a tactic straight out of a terrorist playbook: scare the living shit out of everyone in hope that Ukrainians crack and pressure Kyiv to just give in. A strike on a children's hospital is simply another tool in their arsenal. As I mentioned before, this war's been a nightmare for children from the get-go. The Mariupol theater bombing killed hundreds. So the message they're sending is crystal clear: surrender or keep digging your kids out of the rubble.

Will it work? Probably not. Hitler's Blitz didn't break the Brits, and the Allies bombing Dresden to oblivion didn't make the Germans fold either. If Russia were capable of learning from history, they would know that their extreme brutality will only make Ukraine fight harder.

On the other hand, had they been capable of learning, they wouldn't have started this disastrous war.