Manila

This is so hilarious.

Vic.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2426611]The Philippines is a very strict Catholic country and the people have very high moral standards. They are religious and God fearing and girls generally remain chaste before marriage. Prostitution is also illegal. You will not be able to bring a local girl up to your hotel room unless you can produce a marriage certificate. Please do not offend the hotel staff. Remember, you are a guest in the country so please be culturally aware. Save your sexual adventures for Thailand or other countries where prostitution is acceptable.

The Philippines is safe for foreigners as long as you do not venture on the streets on your own at night. People are desperately poor, and lone foreigners on the streets make for easy mugging victims.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2426611]The Philippines is a very strict Catholic country and the people have very high moral standards. They are religious and God fearing and girls generally remain chaste before marriage. Prostitution is also illegal. You will not be able to bring a local girl up to your hotel room unless you can produce a marriage certificate. Please do not offend the hotel staff. Remember, you are a guest in the country so please be culturally aware. Save your sexual adventures for Thailand or other countries where prostitution is acceptable.

The Philippines is safe for foreigners as long as you do not venture on the streets on your own at night. People are desperately poor, and lone foreigners on the streets make for easy mugging victims.[/QUOTE]Hi Engine Driver,

Could you PM me please, I've tried to PM you but system does not like your username! Thanks.

M.

[QUOTE=Mackapaka;2427222]Hi Engine Driver,

Could you PM me please, I've tried to PM you but system does not like your username! Thanks.

M.[/QUOTE]Before sending a private message on this system you have to:

1. say Three Hail Mary's.

2. Cross your legs.

3. Have been to the local Confessional (Church) and asked for forgiveness for all your past sins.

Note: This website is for clean living, god fearing persons. If you, for example, viewed a porno website in the last 24 hrs you will have difficulty in sending a Private Message, on this holier than thou, ISG PM system.

May the Lord be with You, my friend, May the Lord be with You.

(and all the hot chicks of the Philippines, LOL).

[QUOTE=Mackapaka;2427222]Hi Engine Driver,

Could you PM me please, I've tried to PM you but system does not like your username! Thanks.

M.[/QUOTE]You will need to be a member to have PM access. With one post only to your name, have you paid your annual $20 subscription?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2427412]Before sending a private message on this system you have to:

1. say Three Hail Mary's.

2. Cross your legs.

3. Have been to the local Confessional (Church) and asked for forgiveness for all your past sins.

Note: This website is for clean living, god fearing persons. If you, for example, viewed a porno website in the last 24 hrs you will have difficulty in sending a Private Message, on this holier than thou, ISG PM system.

May the Lord be with You, my friend, May the Lord be with You.

(and all the hot chicks of the Philippines, LOL).[/QUOTE]Yeah. Or, in good Catholic tradition, just pay $25 for membership / redemption. 😁.

Either will work.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2427503]Yeah. Or, in good Catholic tradition, just pay $25 for membership / redemption. 😁.

Either will work.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Said person already has PM facility, and intended recipients PM box is not 'full'. PM definitely available to "said person" and intended 'recipient.'

Hence, being the good Samaritan that I am, I sent said person a sensible clear PM on how to do what he wanted to do.

Having not received a reply and a Christian 'Thank You' from him, I decided on a nonsensical post.

It's not making sense any more, so I will opt out.

Praise be the Lord, praise be the Hookers, and any and all 'said persons' , plus all those Mongers who cop the new virus.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2427412]....

Note: This website is for clean living, god fearing persons. If you, for example, viewed a porno website in the last 24 hrs you will have difficulty in sending a Private Message, on this holier than thou, ISG PM system.

May the Lord be with You, my friend, May the Lord be with You.

(and all the hot chicks of the Philippines, LOL).[/QUOTE]I got banned for a week for watching porn once.

Of course I was getting a BBBJ as well.

If I would not have seen it with my own eyes. I am in LA Cafe right now. 5 Korean guys (4 wearing masks) walked in and sat at the table behind me. Out of nowhere comes like 20 chicks surrounding that table. These were not the chicks that have been here the last 15 minutes that I have been sitting here either. I tried to ask a couple of chicks why everyone is going to that table. They completely ignored me. Then I asked the waitress why all of those chicks are at that table. She said they like Japanese.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429118]If I would not have seen it with my own eyes. I am in LA Cafe right now. 5 Korean guys (4 wearing masks) walked in and sat at the table behind me. Out of nowhere comes like 20 chicks surrounding that table. These were not the chicks that have been here the last 15 minutes that I have been sitting here either. I tried to ask a couple of chicks why everyone is going to that table. They completely ignored me. Then I asked the waitress why all of those chicks are at that table. She said they like Japanese.[/QUOTE]Still better she say "they like Japanese " about the Koreans than "they don't like you".

[QUOTE=Bushes;2429389]Still better she say "they like Japanese " about the Koreans than "they don't like you".[/QUOTE]I thought they were Korean but the waitress knew they were Japanese. I also knew they did not like me because when I spoke they said absolutely nothing. They looked at me like I was an alien and ran away from me to get closer to the Japanese guys.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429118]If I would not have seen it with my own eyes. I am in LA Cafe right now. 5 Korean guys (4 wearing masks) walked in and sat at the table behind me. Out of nowhere comes like 20 chicks surrounding that table. These were not the chicks that have been here the last 15 minutes that I have been sitting here either. I tried to ask a couple of chicks why everyone is going to that table. They completely ignored me. Then I asked the waitress why all of those chicks are at that table. She said they like Japanese.[/QUOTE]Japanese have always been 1st preference for the girls, and remain so today.

Koreans are number two.

We are "left overs" , and they will do biz with us, if there are no Japanese / Koreans.

Reason: Generous with their money. Penis to fit (same / similar as Filipino males).

DIA and WeChat have pretty much dried up. The best action is on Tinder, but the best Tinder chicks do not come cheap. They want 5000 and 6000. I have never given that much for P4P on this planet and I do not think I am about to start now. It is kind of tempting though.

The past few nights I have had 1 WeChat chick, 1 DIA chick, and 1 Tinder chick come stay all night for 2000. One of the WeChat chicks works in the office at a construction company and makes 16,000 pesos per month. I have known her on there for a while but for some reason we could never get together. Fast forward to this trip and she came right over. She lives with 3 other chicks. They did not know 1 of the roomies had a gambling problem. They got home from work and saw the other chick had wiped them out and skipped town. So she needed money.

The DIA chick is a cashier and had to be at work at 11 this morning. Still it seems I had to push her out of the door.

The Tinder chick was hanging out in Makati with her married friends Saturday night. When it was time to leave her friends went home and she came to me. Couldn't get her to leave the next morning either, except her nanny kept blowing up her phone asking where she was.

Pics were sent to me by 2 Tinder chicks that want 5000.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429118]If I would not have seen it with my own eyes. I am in LA Cafe right now. 5 Korean guys (4 wearing masks) walked in and sat at the table behind me. Out of nowhere comes like 20 chicks surrounding that table. These were not the chicks that have been here the last 15 minutes that I have been sitting here either. I tried to ask a couple of chicks why everyone is going to that table. They completely ignored me. Then I asked the waitress why all of those chicks are at that table. She said they like Japanese.[/QUOTE]Mr E,

Please don't feel slighted. You need to think like a Flip hooker to get to the bottom of your problem. If I was a Flip hooker, would I want to be pounded mercilessly for 4-hours, then literally torn apart by that rogue elephant monster cock for only 1,000 pesos? Or would I prefer to hang out with a cool Jap half your age, drink nice tequila and then get paid 5,000 pesos (2-2-5), plus transport money?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429535]DIA and WeChat have pretty much dried up.[/QUOTE]The whole referal / seconder to sign into WeChat killed any new or repeat memberships.

I was a user, changed phone numbers and now cannot open a new account without a current member vouching for me.

Manila does warp some girls' sense of value. I've had serious quotes of 15 k! As I've said before, just go to the source and get the same thing for 1 k straight out of the province.

Enjoy. G.

I have posed the question here a few times about why a lot of these chicks do not have widespread chat apps like Whatsapp. Well the WeChat girl told me that her phone belongs to the company she works for and she can not download anything. The company's owner is Chinese so they use WeChat for all of their group chats.

I went to Robinson's yesterday to meet up with another DIA chick. I walked in and stood at the post in front of Starbucks and Krispy Kreme. A chick came up to me asking if I wanted girls. I told her no that I was waiting for someone. She asked if I liked small, medium, or large. I told her it depends on my mood. She pointed to 3 chicks that were standing closer to Starbucks. I told her that I had been coming here for years and knew the routine of Robinson's girls.

I would not have wanted any of them that were there at that moment, but she insisted I take her whatsapp and message her when I wanted girls. Her name is Stevie. She said like Stevie Wonder.

Hi guys,

Do any of you guys have a good driver / private car hire you can recommend? I'm going down to Puerto Galera for a long weekend and wanted a good driver to take me down to Batangas and do the pickup on return.

Any recommendations appreciated!

Just wondering if anyone here has experienced taking a Smooci girl on vacation somewhere. There is one girl that I like and am thinking about booking her for days. All I want to know is the price scheme. Do I need to pay the full price as per the list in the page, or can I simply contact her privately and try to negotiate?

I do not mind paying a premium for quality but I do not want to empty my pocket doing it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2429601]The whole referal / seconder to sign into WeChat killed any new or repeat memberships.

I was a user, changed phone numbers and now cannot open a new account without a current member vouching for me.

Manila does warp some girls' sense of value. I've had serious quotes of 15 k! As I've said before, just go to the source and get the same thing for 1 k straight out of the province.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Howyadoin G Man? Yes, these manila thrillas are delusional. Country girls are the best.

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2429696]Just wondering if anyone here has experienced taking a Smooci girl on vacation somewhere. There is one girl that I like and am thinking about booking her for days. All I want to know is the price scheme. Do I need to pay the full price as per the list in the page, or can I simply contact her privately and try to negotiate?

I do not mind paying a premium for quality but I do not want to empty my pocket doing it.[/QUOTE]Smoocci lists varying prices usually upto 24 hours. However this would be hella expensive for a multi day holiday.

Assuming you are a repeat customer who treated her ok then just call her private mobile number and put a proposal to her.

Note I said put a proposal to her not ask 'how much?

Also keep in mind that a the girl you hired by the hour is totally different to the girl you can be stuck with for days on end:

[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG.
........

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2429858]Smoocci lists varying prices usually upto 24 hours. However this would be hella expensive for a multi day holiday.

Assuming you are a repeat customer who treated her ok then just call her private mobile number and put a proposal to her.

Note I said put a proposal to her not ask 'how much?

Also keep in mind that a the girl you hired by the hour is totally different to the girl you can be stuck with for days on end:[/QUOTE]You are right about the last sentence. Hence my reason of contemplating. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429623]

I would not have wanted any of them that were there at that moment, but she insisted I take her whatsapp and message her when I wanted girls. Her name is Stevie. She said like Stevie Wonder.[/QUOTE]So maybe she doesn't know how the girls look.

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2429696]Just wondering if anyone here has experienced taking a Smooci girl on vacation somewhere. There is one girl that I like and am thinking about booking her for days. All I want to know is the price scheme. Do I need to pay the full price as per the list in the page, or can I simply contact her privately and try to negotiate?

I do not mind paying a premium for quality but I do not want to empty my pocket doing it.[/QUOTE]My experience is that I have always regretted such arrangements when I have made them. This is mostly because after the first day I find I don't get on at all with the person and I wish they would leave so I can relax or whatever LOL It also tends to be expensive.

When such arrangements have worked it's with someone I have met once or twice before and hopefully a non-pro who just appreciates having a nice break all expenses paid. So I'd always recommend that than chancing it with a pro off Smoochi and being stuck with the results of that gamble for days and being significantly out of pocket. If you have time better to line up some dates etc. In Manila or wherever first then take your favourite off for a few days to Palawan together or whatever your plans is. I have done exactly this repeatedly and been happy with the results!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429623]I went to Robinson's yesterday to meet up with another DIA chick. I walked in and stood at the post in front of Starbucks and Krispy Kreme. A chick came up to me asking if I wanted girls. I told her no that I was waiting for someone. She asked if I liked small, medium, or large. I told her it depends on my mood. She pointed to 3 chicks that were standing closer to Starbucks. I told her that I had been coming here for years and knew the routine of Robinson's girls.

I would not have wanted any of them that were there at that moment, but she insisted I take her whatsapp and message her when I wanted girls. Her name is Stevie. She said like Stevie Wonder.[/QUOTE]I have started avoiding meeting girls at Starbucks. Had it happen in Asia over the years whereby the girls were asked to leave if they did not buy something. WTF. Starting to sound like the US locations.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2429510]I thought they were Korean but the waitress knew they were Japanese. I also knew they did not like me because when I spoke they said absolutely nothing. They looked at me like I was an alien and ran away from me to get closer to the Japaneguys.[/QUOTE]It is like going to a restaurant where the waiters are snootier than you. Could never understand why people keep going back. Same with the pros. Never understood the rationale of a hooker with an inflated ego. I would just move on to another with a better attitude. There are plenty of other girls.

I red some time ago that the mayor of Quezon city closed all girly bars.

And Cubao city is a part of Quezon city as far as my knowledge reaches.

So can anybody confirm all the barfun is gone in Quezon and cubao (and maybe even in Marikina and Antipolo).

I was in all locations 5 years ago. For the average farang it is all to expensive, but the same I say about Pasay and ermita and malate.

I am Dutch so my English is not perfect web administrator, you try type in dutch or Tagalog once.


[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2306694]I've RTFF and know this is in the wrong thread.

I'd appreciate some advice on Quezon City. I'm thinking of spending a couple of nights in QC to check out the scene. Should I be staying along Timog Avenue or Aurora Boulevard, Cubao for better mongering action. I'm not really into KTVs. I'm looking for bars with girls you can barfine, bars with freelancers. Another monger recently wrote about his positive experience at Bang Bang-ali Bar, just off Aurora. I appreciate that patrons will all be Filipinos and understand the risks, but am really curious.

Also, if my international flight is leaving at 8. 00 pm at NAIA, what time should I be leaving QC by cab?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2263353]I'm in the Philippines for 3 weeks, I arrived last Thursday and was in Manila for 4 days, in Makati, at the Lub the hotel (on Makati Ave near the top end of P Burgos), and am now in Cebu. When I left my hotel in Makati on Monday morning at about 10 am, it only took 20 minutes to get to the airport. But there was a massive queue of people lining up outside the Domestic Terminal building waiting to get into the Terminal building where there is a scanner located at the actual entrance. It took just over 20 minutes to get to the entrance where my bags were scanned then I was inside the Terminal building, and then a brief wait at the check-in counter for my airline.

So, last Thursday night I headed out to P Burgos, checked out a few bars, plenty of FLs about, some offering a session for just PHP500 but I did not see anyone who made me feel horny! I met one potential girl in one of the bars and planned to go back to bar-fine her on Friday night. But on Friday night I met someone else at another bar on P Burgos, and ended up bar-fining her, for PHP3900. I invited her to spend the night, until at least noon on Saturday and asked her how much she wanted, but she said 'up to you' and I left it at that. Anyway, she stayed till about 11.30 am on Saturday morning. No problem bringing her into the hotel, no ID was asked for. She is 19 (I am in my early 60's), which is in my preferred age range (18 to 23), slim, and she gave me one of those experiences that I will never forget! I say that as someone who has been mongering for about 40 years. I had planned (before our session started) to give her PHP2000, but ended giving her PHP3000 plus PHP500 for a taxi and a meal, she seemed well pleased. Well worth it, for a truly memorable experience.

The experience was in complete contrast to my trip to Pattaya in November. I had two girls, the first girl I had met on Thai Friendly a few days prior to the trip, we met up on my first night, had sex, and when I went to give her the agreed price of THB1500 for S / T I did a quick count in my wallet, in front of her, and noticed I was THB4000 light! To cut a long story short, I got the 4000 back, then gave her THB1500 and she left. The sex was nothing special.

Two days later I bar-fined a girl out of one of the go-go bars on Walking St, bar-fine was THB1500 and she asked for THB2000 for S / T (I asked for 1 hour and she agreed) and she was not interested in an all-night. She was 20, slim, but with huge natural tits. In the bar she did not object to me fondling her tits and a kiss on her lips, but in the S / T hotel, in Walking St, her mood changed. No kissing, not even a peck on the cheeks, and she objected to my attempt at fondling and licking her tits. And she refused any photos. So, after a quick fuck, she showered, then told me she had to go. I gently reminded her we had agreed to an hour, and that I still had about 30 minutes left, but she was adamant that she had to go. I was not in the mood for an argument so gave her her money and that was it. A very forgettable fuck and a very forgettable experience!

Anyway, here's a few photos of the girl I spent the night with in Manila;.[/QUOTE]Nice catch! Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2263353]I met one potential girl in one of the bars and planned to go back to bar-fine her on Friday night. But on Friday night I met someone else at another bar on P Burgos, and ended up bar-fining her, for PHP3900. I invited her to spend the night, until at least noon on Saturday and asked her how much she wanted, but she said 'up to you' and I left it at that. Anyway, she stayed till about 11.30 am on Saturday morning. No problem bringing her into the hotel, no ID was asked for. She is 19 (I am in my early 60's), which is in my preferred age range (18 to 23), slim, and she gave me one of those experiences that I will never forget! I say that as someone who has been mongering for about 40 years. I had planned (before our session started) to give her PHP2000, but ended giving her PHP3000 plus PHP500 for a taxi and a meal, she seemed well pleased. Well worth it, for a truly memorable experience.

The experience was in complete contrast to my trip to Pattaya in November. I bar-fined a girl out of one of the go-go bars on Walking St, bar-fine was THB1500 and she asked for THB2000 for S / T (I asked for 1 hour and she agreed) and she was not interested in an all-night. She was 20, slim, but with huge natural tits. In the bar she did not object to me fondling her tits and a kiss on her lips, but in the S / T hotel, in Walking St, her mood changed. No kissing, not even a peck on the cheeks, and she objected to my attempt at fondling and licking her tits. And she refused any photos. So, after a quick fuck, she showered, then told me she had to go. I gently reminded her we had agreed to an hour, and that I still had about 30 minutes left, but she was adamant that she had to go. I was not in the mood for an argument so gave her her money and that was it. A very forgettable fuck and a very forgettable experience!

Anyway, here's a few photos of the girl I spent the night with in Manila;.[/QUOTE]Good report Mdemde covering both the highs (Burgos) and lows (Pat) of your recent mongering experiences. I especially liked the photos which lended credence to your reportage. I have just one criticism and that is you neglected to tell us the names of the bars you visited. That information is critical because without it I really didn't need to read what you posted. I already know that certain Burgos Bars have sexy young girls that know how to deliver the goods. Been there, loved it.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2429567]Mr E,

Please don't feel slighted. You need to think like a Flip hooker to get to the bottom of your problem. If I was a Flip hooker, would I want to be pounded mercilessly for 4-hours, then literally torn apart by that rogue elephant monster cock for only 1,000 pesos? Or would I prefer to hang out with a cool Jap half your age, drink nice tequila and then get paid 5,000 pesos (2-2-5), plus transport money?[/QUOTE]This logic is applicable to anyone, not just a Flip hooker.

Would you want a job where you get paid less, work 60 hour weeks and have a boss who makes your ex-wife look like Mother Teresa? Or would you have a nice cushy job, making good money and a boss who knows nothing about what you do and leaves you in peace?

I'd like to talk about privacy and the methods you use to keep yours in this digital world!

I meet a lot of girls in Manila and lately I noticed that almost all girls know my full name there is no privacy anymore. I found myself at disadvantage here because often I don't know the girl full name (then again I don't bother to find out).

Often I send girls a Grab. It presents two advantages, the girls is flattered that you send her a car, and you can monitor where she is, which is such a useful information vs. The girl telling her she's OTW when she's not. But if the girl pays attention, she can see your full name on the phone of the driver.

At the hotel when you go take shower, when you take a nap, the girl will often turn on the TV. In any semi upscale hotel when you turn the TV on, it displays a message like "Hello John Doe, welcome to our hotel blah blah ".

Note that aside from the digital world, when you go take a shower the girl can simply check your luggage tag but if you're smart you can take it off.

When you're in the hallways or at the buffet, hotel staff tend to call by your name especially if you're a regular client or what they consider a (semi) VIP (IE: you're a gold or platinum member in their hotel group loyalty program).

When you're home girls will ask you for 500 pesos to buy rice or whatever. Once in a while with a girl you want to see again, you're inclined to send her. Now the girl are smart they have paypal and of course if you send them a paypal there goes your privacy).

If a girl wants revenge, wants to blackmail you claiming she's pregnant etc. I can see a lot of reasons where the lack of privacy can become a problem. Especially for those fishing on dating sites and making semi fake promises and having girls dreaming of a better future getting brutally dumped after the first date!

[QUOTE=Retgilpo;2430843]I red some time ago that the mayor of Quezon city closed all girly bars.

And Cubao city is a part of Quezon city as far as my knowledge reaches.

So can anybody confirm all the barfun is gone in Quezon and cubao (and maybe even in Marikina and Antipolo).

I was in all locations 5 years ago. For the average farang it is all to expensive, but the same I say about Pasay and ermita and malate.

I am Dutch so my English is not perfect web administrator, you try type in dutch or Tagalog once.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but I never made it to QC. There was simply too much action in Makati. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2432437]I meet a lot of girls in Manila and lately I noticed that almost all girls know my full name there is no privacy anymore. I found myself at disadvantage here because often I don't know the girl full name (then again I don't bother to find out).[/QUOTE]I hope you are speaking for yourself mate. In over 20 years in this hobby, no once have I dropped the ball on my privacy. The girls know me by the name I wish to be known. Sure, your boarding pass, baggage tags, hotel TV display could all give things away, but that is down to how careful you are. Please avoid generalizing this.

As for sending money online, even to girls you know and want to see again, that is a slippery slope. But you know that already.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2432437]I'd like to talk about privacy and the methods you use to keep yours in this digital world!

I meet a lot of girls in Manila and lately I noticed that almost all girls know my full name there is no privacy anymore. I found myself at disadvantage here because often I don't know the girl full name (then again I don't bother to find out).

Often I send girls a Grab. It presents two advantages, the girls is flattered that you send her a car, and you can monitor where she is, which is such a useful information vs. The girl telling her she's OTW when she's not. But if the girl pays attention, she can see your full name on the phone of the driver.

At the hotel when you go take shower, when you take a nap, the girl will often turn on the TV. In any semi upscale hotel when you turn the TV on, it displays a message like "Hello John Doe, welcome to our hotel blah blah ".

Note that aside from the digital world, when you go take a shower the girl can simply check your luggage tag but if you're smart you can take it off.

When you're in the hallways or at the buffet, hotel staff tend to call by your name especially if you're a regular client or what they consider a (semi) VIP (IE: you're a gold or platinum member in their hotel group loyalty program).

When you're home girls will ask you for 500 pesos to buy rice or whatever. Once in a while with a girl you want to see again, you're inclined to send her. Now the girl are smart they have paypal and of course if you send them a paypal there goes your privacy).

If a girl wants revenge, wants to blackmail you claiming she's pregnant etc. I can see a lot of reasons where the lack of privacy can become a problem. Especially for those fishing on dating sites and making semi fake promises and having girls dreaming of a better future getting brutally dumped after the first date![/QUOTE]If you are not a liar, cheat or scammer what's there to hide?

I never understood this "privacy" thing.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2432437]I'd like to talk about privacy and the methods you use to keep yours in this digital world!I meet a lot of girls in Manila and lately I noticed that almost all girls know my full name there is no privacy anymore. I found myself at disadvantage here because often I don't know the girl full name (then again I don't bother to find out).[/QUOTE]I was concerned about them knowing my name for awhile but after thinking about it, not any longer. My name is common (first and last name) so it is useless by itself for anyone to find me. My phone is dedicated to Philippines so all pinay calls are corraled there. Other precautions I take are that I do not ever use Facebook, try hard to avoid getting in photos, and always pay by cash in country avoiding CC identity theft. My phone and laptop are password protected so useless if looked at while I am in the shower or sleeping. Maybe I am too complacent for some gents but I am divorced with no SO to worry about. The biggest hole I see in my privacy is the hotel registration detail made thru a lodging travel site. With inside help from a desk person someone could find out a lot.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2432495]If you are not a liar, cheat or scammer what's there to hide?

I never understood this "privacy" thing.[/QUOTE]I am not concerned either. In 30 years of mongering I have never had a problem with girls knowing my name. Hell, I exchange Line & Viber ID's with the girls I like even after a first night. I exchange email addresses and a lot more with my perennial repeat girls. My favorite girls all know my name. So what ? I am a single/divorced American man. I trust my girls not to do anything real stupid, so as to upset the apple cart and force me to drop them. The worst blowback I have ever received was the occasional sob story and a plea for some wired money.

I would not enjoy this sport half as much as I do if I worried about my ID falling into the "wrong hands", or getting a girl pregnant, or even catching something. It is all part of the game. Use your senses and don't be stupid. That's all. Basically there is nothing to worry about. I might add that I am not a politician's son or a public figure. I got nothing to hide. I am an open book. I like young Asian girls and they kind of like me back in their own way. If anyone has a problem with that they should stay home, get married, eat too much, and never get laid. Ha Ha. Up to you.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2432495]If you are not a liar, cheat or scammer what's there to hide?

I never understood this "privacy" thing.[/QUOTE]What if he has an SO? I know a case where my buddy was screwed by a Filipino free lancer. He helped her get a visa to the US, and she spent a month with him. He got her a hotel room and even took her to Vegas. But she was expecting to stay in the US and marry him. When it did not happen, she wreaked havoc with his life. She managed to get most of his email addresses and passwords.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2432495]If you are not a liar, cheat or scammer what's there to hide?

I never understood this "privacy" thing.[/QUOTE]What if the girl is a liar, cheat, or scammer? Knowing your name is already half the battle. Being from the streets, everybody had a street name and nobody went by their government name. I guess that is where it comes from with me.

Hell, even most hookers or strippers do not use their real names. Sometimes I act like I do not believe they are the age they tell me and in their anxiousness to show me wrong they whip out their ID that has their real name on it.

I will admit that in all these years I don't think there has been an issue, but it is all just a part of covering your tracks. Just like you put your valuables in the safe and hide the minibar stuff, you also give them a fake name.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2432437]I'd like to talk about privacy and the methods you use to keep yours in this digital world![/QUOTE]Some guys take the whole second persona to a whole other level. They are welcome to do this but, in all honesty, I think the only person that they are kidding is themself. You've mentioned several ways that a girl can get a John"s true name etc. I'd also suggest that asians generally have a far broader circle of friends and family than we do in the west. Add in endemic corruption and it would be extremely easy for any girl to get accurate contact details from hotel, transport etc personnel if she wanted.

I keep a second travel phone with it's own contact apps etc and I'm careful that it doesn't cross pollinate my regular home phone and accounts. I certainly don't want difficult to explain messages or friend requests appearing on my civilian FB account for example. This is more for my civilian life's benefit than the girls'.

I tend to treat girls half decently and make it clear that I never send cash while we are not face to face. For these reasons they have an incentive to keep me on side rather than try for extorsion etc.

The very few times that girls have tried to get extra cash from me, I've found that it's very quickly over when they find it won't be forthcoming. I've never had them put any effort into vengeance for it's own sake.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2432495]If you are not a liar, cheat or scammer what's there to hide?

I never understood this "privacy" thing.[/QUOTE]I've visited Manila 3 x to 4 x a year for the past 10 or 12 years. I've had a few problems. Maybe 1% of my "dates".

I'm pretty sure I treat the girl very well, but let's be realistic not every girl that we meet are mentally balanced, and that's a potential issue if a nutjob passes your screening process.

In no particular order I can remember a ladyboy from Tinder that omitted to mention being a LB and not handling rejection too well. He / she threatened that her uncle or whatever worked in the Police or border police and would make my life miserable. Despite my solid experience the level of hysteria made the situation a bit hard to handled. I've had one girl that the pregnancy blackmail 7 or 8 years ago, and another one that demanded money with insistence claiming I gave her herpes or some minor STD like that (she wanted 5 K to pass some dermatological tests at Makati Med), but as I do full STD screen test every 3 months I am more than certain that I have never transmitted any disease to a girl.

I don't mind that all my regular girls have my full details, but I'm not particularly pleased if a bar girl knows my details, potentially share it with her mamasan and coworkers. Then they can google you, find your address, your linkedin profile etc. Being single I'm not too worried but not really pleased either.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2432494]I hope you are speaking for yourself mate. In over 20 years in this hobby, no once have I dropped the ball on my privacy. The girls know me by the name I wish to be known. Sure, your boarding pass, baggage tags, hotel TV display could all give things away, but that is down to how careful you are. Please avoid generalizing this.

As for sending money online, even to girls you know and want to see again, that is a slippery slope. But you know that already.[/QUOTE]I'm sure It's possible. But it's not effortless to have a fully efficient spy routine to hide your identity.

In Angeles it's probably easier than elsewhere because in AC you can be whoever you want pay the hotel in cash. But in Manila and many countries hiding from your digital trail is hard. Most hotels requires Credit card and ID, using taxi vs grab is really annoying, using a shitty Nokia burner with a prepaid SIM is not as pleasant as using an iphone etc.

It's not exactly easy to go to the lobby of the hotel and tell them please change my name from Gunter Schmit to John Doe on the TV screen and make sure the personnel always refers to me as John Doe.

Most (if not all) escorts services requires you to leave a lot of information about yourself. Dating girls online leave a digital trail with your IP, metadatas on your Pc or Phone so that leaves bar girls. Oh wait all bars have CC TV's. So that leaves crack heads in dark alleys.

These days Girls always ask for you FB / whatsapp / viber etc.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2432437]I meet a lot of girls in Manila and lately I noticed that almost all girls know my full name there is no privacy anymore. I found myself at disadvantage here because often I don't know the girl full name (then again I don't bother to find out).![/QUOTE]If you want to know the girls real name just offer to wire her some money. She has to give you her real full name from her ID to pick up the wired cash.

My concern for my privacy is only for Identity theft in a 3rd world country where I don't know anybody important enough to help me out if all my credit cards, bank passwords, and ATM card are frozen. That would be hell in shitsville. I'd be calling a regular and asking if she has space for me to sleep on the floor of her hut.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2432566]What if the girl is a liar, cheat, or scammer? Knowing your name is already half the battle. Being from the streets, everybody had a street name and nobody went by their government name. I guess that is where it comes from with me.

Hell, even most hookers or strippers do not use their real names. Sometimes I act like I do not believe they are the age they tell me and in their anxiousness to show me wrong they whip out their ID that has their real name on it.

I will admit that in all these years I don't think there has been an issue, but it is all just a part of covering your tracks. Just like you put your valuables in the safe and hide the minibar stuff, you also give them a fake name.[/QUOTE]If the girl is a liar, cheat or scammer? Deal with it boys.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2432555]What if he has an SO? I know a case where my buddy was screwed by a Filipino free lancer. He helped her get a visa to the US, and she spent a month with him. He got her a hotel room and even took her to Vegas. But she was expecting to stay in the US and marry him. When it did not happen, she wreaked havoc with his life. She managed to get most of his email addresses and passwords.[/QUOTE]So he was a liar and cheat to begin with. Karma came around and bit him. I am sure there is much more to his story than told to you. He is no victim.

How did She get his email addresses and passwords? He let her get it.

How did she get expectations of marrying him?

My brother introduced me to this hobby close to fifty years ago. The first thing he told me was to never give these girls your real name. I have done that ever since and it has worked well for me. I have no intention of changing that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2433038]My brother introduced me to this hobby close to fifty years ago. The first thing he told me was to never give these girls your real name. I have done that ever since and it has worked well for me. I have no intention of changing that.[/QUOTE]Most of us agree on that. But don't you find it increasingly difficult to achieve in this digital world?

With the world going cashless in the next 10/15 years it will be even more difficult.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2433111]Most of us agree on that. But don't you find it increasingly difficult to achieve in this digital world?.[/QUOTE]In the digital world have 2 phones (just buy a 100 euro 2nd phone) download WhatsApp and set up for using a foreign sim card when you get to your location.

Create a fb account and only access that account on your mongering phone.

Download Wechat, tinder and the other apps you need.

Once you set things up you can change your sim card from different countries without changing your apps, including WhatsApp.

You will need a new Google email for download.

Never put your real SIM in this phone or login to your real fb account.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2433135]In the digital world have 2 phones (just buy a 100 euro 2nd phone) download WhatsApp and set up for using a foreign sim card when you get to your location.

Create a fb account and only access that account on your mongering phone.

Download Wechat, tinder and the other apps you need.

Once you set things up you can change your sim card from different countries without changing your apps, including WhatsApp.

You will need a new Google email for download.

Never put your real SIM in this phone or login to your real fb account.[/QUOTE]Nor sign into Chrome, Apple, hotmail, gmail, Amazon, dropbox. Anything that requires a username / password.

[URL]https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/12/20/coronavirus-philippines-metro-manila-lockdown[/URL]

Per the above, all of Metro Manila is on lockdown.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2433359][URL]https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/12/20/coronavirus-philippines-metro-manila-lockdown[/URL]

Per the above, all of Metro Manila is on lockdown.

GE[/QUOTE]This seems a little draconian to me considering the PI has only 3 new cases of Corona making it 52 total cases since the virus landed. But Duterte, like all other world politicians, wants to be seen by his people as taking a leadership role against this worldwide contagion.

So let me get this straight; international flights from places like the USA and Japan are still allowed, but no domestic flights or travel of any kind from metro Manila to the rest of the PI. Interesting. Total containment. Forget AC. It is time to party in Manila! Welcome to the year of the Corona.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2433377]This seems a little draconian to me considering the PI has only 3 new cases of Corona making it 52 total cases since the virus landed. But Duterte, like all other world politicians, wants to be seen by his people as taking a leadership role against this worldwide contagion.

So let me get this straight; international flights from places like the USA and Japan are still allowed, but no domestic flights or travel of any kind from metro Manila to the rest of the PI. Interesting. Total containment. Forget AC. It is time to party in Manila! Welcome to the year of the Corona.[/QUOTE]My question is upon landing in NAIA from NRT, will there be transport available to AC? Like Genesis bus?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2432555]What if he has an SO? I know a case where my buddy was screwed by a Filipino free lancer. He helped her get a visa to the US, and she spent a month with him. He got her a hotel room and even took her to Vegas. But she was expecting to stay in the US and marry him. When it did not happen, she wreaked havoc with his life. She managed to get most of his email addresses and passwords.[/QUOTE]So you actually believe that a fake name can be used when you are getting visa for foreign countries and they actually visit you in your home? I think in this guys case more research should have been done before bringing a unbalanced person over.

I have nothing to lie about and yes some are unbalanced and have done damage, shit happens. Integrity is important. Treat people as you would want them to treat you!

PP.

You may not be able to completely use a fake name, but you can make it more difficult for them to actually find you and match with your real identity.

Use a variation of your name, some diminutive that you never use. Say your name is Johnathan and you usually go by John. For mongering use Jack or Johnny. It helps if you have a common last name. It may be difficult to match Johnathan Q Smith with Johnny Smith.

Have a dedicated online profile, social media, emails accounts etc. These are easy to set up. Tell a fake birthday, tell a different country if you can get away. I am Canadian buy can easily pass for American. Do not let anyone name tag a picture of you, I keep my real social profile pretty quiet and low key anyway for privacy reasons.

Have a dedicated mongering sim and phone.

Personally I don't bother. I have no reason to hide my real identity, I am divorced so no SO issues to worry about. I have had a couple of girls blow up my phone with messages but simply block them and they go away in a couple of days.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2433387]My question is upon landing in NAIA from NRT, will there be transport available to AC? Like Genesis bus?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. The announcement says that all Domestic travel into or out of MAncla by air, sea or land is banned. Also, Angeles politicians just announced a virtual closure of that city.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2433487]I don't think so. The announcement says that all Domestic travel into or out of MAncla by air, sea or land is banned. Also, Angeles politicians just announced a virtual closure of that city.

GE.[/QUOTE]Are you saying Angeles City will be locked down?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2433495]Are you saying Angeles City will be locked down?[/QUOTE]I looked for the official proclamation that I read yesterday but couldn't find it. As I recall, and I'm old and my memory may be faulty, it's not a complete lockdown, though Koreans and some other nationalities won't be permitted entry. BUT, there's a national proclamation regarding "social distancing" and I'm guessing that even without a lockdown, this will affect the bars and restaurants. As I've mentioned in a prior post today, the AFP has now been empowered to arrest people who do not adhere to the social distancing requirements.

My personal take is that now is not a good time to travel here. Those arriving on international flights at NAIA will not be able to leave Manila for any domestic travel. Those arriving at Clark might be able to get into Angeles but will not be able to drive into Manila.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2433517]I looked for the official proclamation that I read yesterday but couldn't find it. As I recall, and I'm old and my memory may be faulty, it's not a complete lockdown, though Koreans and some other nationalities won't be permitted entry. BUT, there's a national proclamation regarding "social distancing" and I'm guessing that even without a lockdown, this will affect the bars and restaurants. As I've mentioned in a prior post today, the AFP has now been empowered to arrest people who do not adhere to the social distancing requirements.

My personal take is that now is not a good time to travel here. Those arriving on international flights at NAIA will not be able to leave Manila for any domestic travel. Those arriving at Clark might be able to get into Angeles but will not be able to drive into Manila.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks GE.

I can change my flight to come in to CRK for next week and fly out of CRK to home(USA) 2 weeks later. I would hate to be in a lock down in AC and not be able to make a round trip to Tacloban within the 2 weeks.

I have no need to go to Manila.

Btw, I heard Cebu will be going into a lock down. Same for Bohol.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2433823]Btw, I heard Cebu will be going into a lock down. Same for Bohol.[/QUOTE]So I've got Presidential Approval for keeping a girl locked in my room for two weeks and not letting her out? Anywhere else that would be deprevation of liberty.

Got to love the Philippines. 😁.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2433823]I can change my flight to come in to CRK for next week and fly out of CRK to home(USA) 2 weeks later. I would hate to be in a lock down in AC and not be able to make a round trip to Tacloban within the 2 weeks.

I have no need to go to Manila.

Btw, I heard Cebu will be going into a lock down. Same for Bohol.[/QUOTE]Things are changing daily. By next week you many not be able to fly anywhere at all.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2433839]So I've got Presidential Approval for keeping a girl locked in my room for two weeks and not letting her out? Anywhere else that would be deprevation of liberty.

Got to love the Philippines. 😁.[/QUOTE]And you will be locked in there with her? Don't forget that the same thing that makes you laugh can make you cry.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2432555]What if he has an SO? I know a case where my buddy was screwed by a Filipino free lancer. He helped her get a visa to the US, and she spent a month with him. He got her a hotel room and even took her to Vegas. But she was expecting to stay in the US and marry him. When it did not happen, she wreaked havoc with his life. She managed to get most of his email addresses and passwords.[/QUOTE]As a standard I am always using a fake pseudonym with the girls, dating sites, even this site. Currently I have 4 FB profiles at various stages of their life cycle. The oldest profile is down to just one active girl whom will be joined by her new husband next month. The other profiles have different email and contact numbers. I have none of this written down, just remember the associations. I find it convenient to close off the trail of various relationships. Eventually they forget me, and as much as I may want to see again Jen that I met in HiSo in 2012 there are lots of other newbies to meet.

Sometime they will see my login name on my laptop and I just shrug my shoulders.

Happy days.

PP.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2433855]and as much as I may want to see again Jen that I met in HiSo in 2012[/QUOTE]8 years is a lot of time and so much will have changed. I see some chicks that I fucked 8 years ago that I would not fuck with a stolen dick today.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2433844]And you will be locked in there with her? Don't forget that the same thing that makes you laugh can make you cry.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Too true.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2433855]Currently I have 4 FB profiles at various stages of their life cycle..... I have none of this written down, just remember the associations....[/QUOTE]I admire people that have a great memory for a million facts. However, there is no way I would remember which lie I told to which person when I have umpteen girls spread across 4 different personas.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2433843]Things are changing daily. By next week you many not be able to fly anywhere at all.[/QUOTE]Exactly right. Things change daily and the changes aren't always communicated quickly. As of now at NAIA, foreigners from Covid-19 countries with significant community transmission—including the US, Canada and at least half of Europe—aren't permitted into the Philippines. I just read the directive today. The exceptions for foreigners are permanent resident visa holders and a couple of others I don't remember. It's a good idea to check again the day before you debark for the country.

GE.

DOH REPORTS 34 NEW COVID-19 CASES; SEEKS PUBLIC COOPERATION.

Press Release / 14 March 2020.

The Department of Health reported 34 new COVID-19 cases (PH65-PH98), bringing the total number of confirmed cases in the country to 98. The details of these new cases are currently being validated by our teams and will be provided to the public as soon as the information is available and verified by the Department. In addition, we are also verifying reports of additional cases.

"Now it is our turn to do our part in mitigating the spread of the disease. The DOH earnestly asks for everyone's cooperation. Our frontline health workers and medical personnel are risking their safety to respond to the needs of the public, all we ask is for you to do your part: practice preventive measures, go on strict home quarantine if you are experiencing mild symptoms, and help halt the spread of fake news. The success of our measures to contain COVID-19 is hinged on your participation. We will get through this together," the Secretary added.

"At this most trying time, our strongest weapon as a nation is Vigilance, Preparedness, and Solidarity. We are seeing these values at play now as DOH is receiving an influx of support from individuals and organizations who are willing to render assistance in any way they can. Let this be a reminder for all Filipinos to step up to the plate and heed the call for cooperation," Health Secretary Francisco Duque III remarked.

On Health Workers being Reported as PUIs and PUMs.

DOH reported that the Philippine Heart Center (PHC) is limiting its services after several health personnel were exposed to a confirmed COVID-19 case.

The confirmed case (PH37) was the previously announced mortality last March 12 who was admitted at PHC. PH37 was reported to have no history of travel and close contact to a confirmed patient. Several of the PUIs and PUMs were exposed to PH37. Prior to the confirmation of the PH37's diagnosis, healthcare workers were managing the case as a non-communicable case and were unable to wear the required personal protective equipment (PPE).

As of 2 PM today, PHC has 13 patients under investigation (PUIs) - 12 health workers and one (1) non-health person. PHC sent home four patients under monitoring (PUMs) today who were previously quarantined in a restricted area in the hospital, while an additional six (6) PUMs are still quarantined in the facility. They are also currently verifying the number of PUMs in home quarantine.

As of now, PHC is limiting its hospital operations to accommodate in-patient and emergency cases only. Services in the Outpatient Department were temporarily stopped last March 11 and are expected to reopen on March 16. The Catheterization Laboratory where PH37 had her procedure was also closed and disinfected. Hospital services for Z-benefit packages and elective cases are temporarily cancelled until further notice. Currently, the human resource complement of PHC is being realigned by the management to provide continuous service to the admitted patients.

In addition, Rizal Medical Center in Pasig City has also reported several health workers being exposed to the COVID-19 virus. DOH is still verifying data on the exact figures and the updated conditions of the health workers.

"I assure our health workers that you have the full support of the whole Department as we go through this ordeal together. I commend the commitment of our health workers, who amidst the risks they are currently facing, are still serving and saving the lives of our kababayans. Our commitment to safeguard the health and well-being of our healthcare workers remains to be our priority," Health Secretary Francisco T. Duque III said.

On Advice for Travellers from NCR.

DOH advises all travellers coming from the National Capital Region who are without symptoms to undergo strict home quarantine for 14 days. Travellers from NCR who are out of the region will be considered as PUMs. Travellers from Metro Manila with fever and or any respiratory symptoms will be considered as PUIs and are advised to seek medical attention from a health facility.

The DOH reminds the public that all land, domestic sea and domestic air travel to and from Metro Manila will be suspended beginning March 15,2020, 00:01 H. Residents of Metro Manila are advised to stay in their homes and avoid unnecessary movements within the area.

"Let us cooperate with our healthcare workers and local government authorities to stop the spread of this disease to other communities. The Department is issuing guidelines for the health and safety of all Filipinos. In turn, let us follow these stringent infection prevention interventions without fail. Only through the genuine help of all Filipinos will we be able stop this health emergency. " the Health Chief concluded.

Hi Guys,

Anybody know if LA Cafe currently open, will be in Manila for the weekend all going well.

I was there late Saturday night. There was a lively crowd. 50/50 m / f ratio. Mostly (all?) older women with kids. The word at that time was they would reduce hours to 7 am-7 pm starting next day (Sunday). I haven't been there since to confirm this. Frankly I wish I could go home early as the malls are supposed to close, the gym in my hotel is closed as is the buffet, many of the better restaurants are closed and the the 8-5 curfew.

[QUOTE=RodneyRude;2434613]Hi Guys,

Anybody know if LA Cafe currently open, will be in Manila for the weekend all going well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2433886] there is no way I would remember which lie I told to which person when I have umpteen girls spread across 4 different personas.
.[/QUOTE]They are consistently inconsistent. The girls that I target are not Rhodes scholars.

Not a good time to come to Manila. My hotel in Pasay that I booked & paid for 3 months ago is kicking me and everyone else out tomorrow. Yeah for my last night in PH I had to get another hotel. Not sure why some hotels are closing and others aren't. As I write this at 6 pm Tues the pool, fitness center, spa, virtually all restaurants, definitely all bars, are closed for next month. Pretty sure that includes LA Cafe. An hour ago the escort agency that was sending me a girl notified me she was stopped by police while trying to get a taxi and sent home. Do yourself a favor cancel all your travel plans and stay home for the next month.

[QUOTE=RodneyRude;2434613]Anybody know if LA Cafe currently open, will be in Manila for the weekend all going well.[/QUOTE]Definitely closed. Same Burgos.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2426611]The Philippines is a very strict Catholic country and the people have very high moral standards. They are religious and God fearing and girls generally remain chaste before marriage.
[/QUOTE]Something like this?

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2435610]Something like this?[/QUOTE]Yep, that's it. She's on her way to church.

Anyone here still stuck in Manila with nothing to do? If you want to have sex right now and are willing to pay the price, my favorite girl is available right now with a special offer.

[URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/lukpMR[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436608]Anyone here still stuck in Manila with nothing to do? If you want to have sex right now and are willing to pay the price, my favorite girl is available right now with a special offer.

[URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/lukpMR[/URL][/QUOTE]Hahaha 32 yrs old, 7500 php for one pop (which can be as quick as 10mins), 30 kphp per day!

A bank manager earns 30 kphp per month. In the middle of a lockdown, no work and no customers this one is still delusional enough to charge first world prices LOL.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2436755]Hahaha 32 yrs old, 7500 php for one pop (which can be as quick as 10mins), 30 kphp per day!

A bank manager earns 30 kphp per month. In the middle of a lockdown, no work and no customers this one is still delusional enough to charge first world prices LOL.[/QUOTE]Check out the Reviews: coincidence that she's only getting one sucker a month??

Apologies to Paladin. My comments are no reflection on you. Glad to hear you had a great time but I'd agree her pricing is totally over the top. I'm guessing in the current times she would struggle to get 2 - 3 k for an all nighter.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2436786]Check out the Reviews: coincidence that she's only getting one sucker a month??

Apologies to Paladin. My comments are no reflection on you. Glad to hear you had a great time but I'd agree her pricing is totally over the top. I'm guessing in the current times she would struggle to get 2 - 3 k for an all nighter.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Hello fellas,

I have Smooci membership and can see her whole profile and actually, she has more than one review per month! I am stuck in Manila and I think I do want to check her out. She has very interesting reviews and all of them verified too. The only thing that bothers me is she doesn't want to send a photo of her face. I will try. My sorry arse is stuck in Manila for a month might as well play around.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2436786]Check out the Reviews: coincidence that she's only getting one sucker a month??[/QUOTE]Oh there are plenty of suckers out there. Also plenty of gents I would not consider as suckers who think little of tossing this kind of cash for a hottie. The idea that they should comparison shop is not in their head.

Even non-hotties, and that includes some of my regulars, continue to tell me stories of clients who drop large cash on the girl on every visit (in addition to expensive resort trips). I love hearing these tales. Paladin thanks for the price update.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2436806]Oh there are plenty of suckers out there. Also plenty of gents I would not consider as suckers who think little of tossing this kind of cash for a hottie. The idea that they should comparison shop is not in their head.

Even non-hotties, and that includes some of my regulars, continue to tell me stories of clients who drop large cash on the girl on every visit (in addition to expensive resort trips). I love hearing these tales. Paladin thanks for the price update.[/QUOTE]IMO, these guys you talk about should be shunned by all members here. They are selfish b**tards who screw things up for everyone, including the girls.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2426611]The Philippines is a very strict Catholic country and the people have very high moral standards. They are religious and God fearing and girls generally remain chaste before marriage. Prostitution is also illegal. You will not be able to bring a local girl up to your hotel room unless you can produce a marriage certificate. Please do not offend the hotel staff. Remember, you are a guest in the country so please be culturally aware. Save your sexual adventures for Thailand or other countries where prostitution is acceptable.

The Philippines is safe for foreigners as long as you do not venture on the streets on your own at night. People are desperately poor, and lone foreigners on the streets make for easy mugging victims.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahaha, lmfaoff. Visayan translation for catholic: LBFM.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2436755]Hahaha 32 yrs old, 7500 php for one pop (which can be as quick as 10mins), 30 kphp per day!

A bank manager earns 30 kphp per month. In the middle of a lockdown, no work and no customers this one is still delusional enough to charge first world prices LOL.[/QUOTE]At least she is honest about being 32, when girls have the choice to input any age on their profile as they wish. And she does not look like her age, I can vouch for that. I am not the type of guy who noses around a girl's personal life, so I admit I do not really know much about her. On my personal experience, by the way she dresses, speaks and carries heraelf I have a feeling she works in the BPO industry or something like that. Not the typical hooker from the street who always has the single mom left by the boyfriend story.

I am a Filipino so probably I can I say that I can read Pinay girls pretty well. Her English is pretty good, not native level but better than the Philippine average. As I come from Visayas and have a horrible Tagalog accent, we converse in English.

I do not think she is delusional. Demand for sex has gone lower but so does the supply which pretty balance themselves. Besides, she might not really need the money but simply enjoys what she is doing (either she has a longing for sex or she just likes to please guys).

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436816]At least she is honest about being 32, when girls have the choice to input any age on their profile as they wish. And she does not look like her age, I can vouch for that. I am not the type of guy who noses around a girl's personal life, so I admit I do not really know much about her. On my personal experience, by the way she dresses, speaks and carries heraelf I have a feeling she works in the BPO industry or something like that. Not the typical hooker from the street who always has the single mom left by the boyfriend story.

I am a Filipino so probably I can I say that I can read Pinay girls pretty well. Her English is pretty good, not native level but better than the Philippine average. As I come from Visayas and have a horrible Tagalog accent, we converse in English.

I do not think she is delusional. Demand for sex has gone lower but so does the supply which pretty balance themselves. Besides, she might not really need the money but simply enjoys what she is doing (either she has a longing for sex or she just likes to please guys).[/QUOTE]If she doesn't need the money she wouldn't be putting herself and those close to her at risk of getting infected with covid for specially discounted rates 99% of Filipina p4 p girls could only dream of asking.

And if she works in the BPO field or similar, then she'd know how ridiculous the rates she's offering are as she'd probably only make 30 k in a month by working mad overtime 12+ hrs a day 6 days a week. Yet Somehow it's supposed to be worth it paying her that for 24 hrs?

I'm not knocking you for paying for her services, what you do with your money is your choice. I get it, some guys might have a flight upcoming and want a sure thing without wasting time hunting, or some guys are on the company credit card and don't care how the money is spent.

But I will definitely knock her for the overinflated prices she's throwing around, she'd be better off targeting those who know nothing about the Philippines, or those who have KTV Money to burn. Even the big spenders on burgos would laugh at her because burgos offers more bang for the same amount.

As others have said, she only needs a few to fall for the bait.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2436811]IMO, these guys you talk about should be shunned by all members here. They are selfish b**tards who screw things up for everyone, [/QUOTE]Those that we should shun are not usually known to us. They come in several categories:

1) Newbs who would not want to overpay, but do because of a lack of knowing the regular prices.

2) Weekend warriors, who are aware they are paying high-end and don't care.

3) Gents who can easily throw lots of cash around and not miss it. The don't comparison shop. When I need a toothbrush in a hurry, I don't care if I'm buying it from a high-end grocery store for p200, or a cheap Gaisano for p49. First grocery store in sight gets the sale, no wasting time shopping if I see what I need right now.

Maybe other categories also. You and I won't be able to stop any of that.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2436811]including the girls.[/QUOTE]There is some real truth to this. I normally give Wilma (not real name) p2000 for LT. One day she tells me the story of her friend Betty, whose guy game to town, took Betty (and her 2 kids) to a resort for 3 nights, and handed Betty 30 k for the total of 5 nights he spent with her (only 2 nights alone for sex). And that guy is now sending regular large allowance. "Westy why you don't give me like that?" Dunno, maybe Betty has bigger melons?

At times I felt (before) that kind of thing ruins the situation for guys who pay less. I learned to tell the girl she has always been fine with 2 k, be smiling happy with it, or move on. No seller's remorse, please. Later I have an expanded story about a Betty / Wilma situation.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2436811]IMO, these guys you talk about should be shunned by all members here. They are selfish b**tards who screw things up for everyone, including the girls.[/QUOTE]Shunned by other members. BDF! Lmao. Who would care if they were shunned? I wouldn't. Shun me all you want. It's not like I am here to socialize with the shunners. I am here to fuck the sub stunners.

Selfish bastards? Hahahahaha. Who doesn't think about their own dick? Who goes out thinking about someone else's dick? Not you.

Btw, if I was stuck in lock down and she was the only one available and willing to come to my hotel for LT I would probably pay 7500. I would have to change my budget around but it would not be hard becuz I ain’t spending money anyways. If she was good then I would propose a bundle price like 15k for 3-4 visits.

I have a Smooci membership and she has more than one review per month. It seems like if you're viewing her as a non-member you only see the best reviews.

As hobbyist I don't think it is our right to tell providers how much they charge. There's a lot out there for us. There will always be free to 2,000 pussy. Maybe this lady is catering to a different market. From the verified reviews it looks like she has some good business sense, a good skill set on and off bed. It got my attention so now I will try to make a booking. I will report back.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2436842]Shunned by other members. BDF! Lmao. Who would care if they were shunned? I wouldn't. Shun me all you want. It's not like I am here to socialize with the shunners. I am here to fuck the sub stunners.

Selfish bastards? Hahahahaha. Who doesn't think about their own dick? Who goes out thinking about someone else's dick? Not you.

Btw, if I was stuck in lock down and she was the only one available and willing to come to my hotel for LT I would probably pay 7500. I would have to change my budget around but it would not be hard becuz I aint spending money anyways. If she was good then I would propose a bundle price like 15k for 3-4 visits.[/QUOTE]Look at her rates, it's not 7. 5 k LT. It's 7. 5 k ONE POP.

Your 15 k would get you 5 pops in 6 hrs with her LOL. I might consider this after a year of lockdown, MIGHT!

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436608]Anyone here still stuck in Manila with nothing to do? If you want to have sex right now and are willing to pay the price, my favorite girl is available right now with a special offer.

[URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/lukpMR[/URL][/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with her. I'd fuck her.

30 k peso is a drop in the ocean for her target clientele. Well paid Korean and Japanese business executives would think USD 600 for 24 hours would be cheap. Note that she claims to know basic Japanese. The benefit of girls in this price bracket is that in addition to being more forward thinking and knowing how to carry themselves in upmarket surroundings (grooming, dress, conversation), they are less likely to turn on the drama.

Has anyone tried to hire a white hooker in the West for 24 hours? That would cost between USD 2,000 to 6,000, so Miss Erin is indeed a bargain.

The mongers on this board are often not in any position to judge value, nor do they keep abreast of the true situation in the West. It is they who are delusional, not Miss Erin. These mongers hunt at the lower end, and some would think even paying 1,000 peso for LT is too much.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2436832]If she doesn't need the money she wouldn't be putting herself and those close to her at risk of getting infected with covid for specially discounted rates 99% of Filipina p4 p girls could only dream of asking.

And if she works in the BPO field or similar, then she'd know how ridiculous the rates she's offering are as she'd probably only make 30 k in a month by working mad overtime 12+ hrs a day 6 days a week. Yet Somehow it's supposed to be worth it paying her that for 24 hrs?

I'm not knocking you for paying for her services, what you do with your money is your choice. I get it, some guys might have a flight upcoming and want a sure thing without wasting time hunting, or some guys are on the company credit card and don't care how the money is spent.

But I will definitely knock her for the overinflated prices she's throwing around, she'd be better off targeting those who know nothing about the Philippines, or those who have KTV Money to burn. Even the big spenders on burgos would laugh at her because burgos offers more bang for the same amount.

As others have said, she only needs a few to fall for the bait.[/QUOTE]She is an independent. She can set her price to whatever she wants. If she decides to charge a million per minute, it is her right. Whether one would pay or not is another story. But she is not forcing anyone to pay, so she is doing nothing wrong. Probably if nobody is booking her for the prices she have right now, she would be forced to lower them. That is the wonder of free market. I'll be damned if I see socialists here among mongerers. LOL.

Her rates are about the same as cheap, shady escorts in Europe. It is half of typical soaplands in Tokyo. And having experienced those I have mentioned, her quality of services are superior. Otherwise, I wouldn't have posted about her.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2436811]IMO, these guys you talk about should be shunned by all members here. They are selfish b**tards who screw things up for everyone, including the girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2436811]IMO, these guys you talk about should be shunned by all members here. They are selfish b**tards who screw things up for everyone, including the girls.[/QUOTE]Just because someone has more capacity to pay than you in the free market, you would cry foul? Much more, you recruit others to join your cause to shun others. You are funny.

Maybe you should read some Ayn Rand for enlightenment. Because she would explain to you that selfishness is a virtue. If she were alive, she would definitely approve of those rates.

This is not the West, and I'm sure mongers aren't in Manila to pay western rates. If I wanted to hire a white girl I'd go to white man country. If I wanted to pay western rates for p4 p I'd stay in the west. If her clientele are Japanese and Koreans she's wasting her time advertising on an English medium.

I'd fuck her too, just not for 7. 5 k for one shot. Fuck I can get a quickie for cheaper in London with a girl that's just as hot, and no not skanky.

Just for comparison 7. 5 k is a few thousand (2-3) below what a lot of doctors earn per week in Manila.

But each to his own. I salute her if she's actually convincing marks to pay that on those terms in the Philippines

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436878]Just because someone has more capacity to pay than you in the free market, you would cry foul? Much more, you recruit others to join your cause to shun others. You are funny.[/QUOTE]That all depends. Shit is relative. If you fall sick and they tell you there are no corona virus test kits available or they tell you it will cost you $500,000 for the test, would you cry foul when you see all these rich actors and athletes have been able to take the test when they don't even appear to be sick?

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2436628]Hopefully I'm wrong but with testing almost non existent outside Bangkok and here costing 6000 baht which puts it outside the reach of most people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436889]That all depends. Shit is relative. If you fall sick and they tell you there are no corona virus test kits available or they tell you it will cost you $500,000 for the test, would you cry foul when you see all these rich actors and athletes have been able to take the test when they don't even appear to be sick?[/QUOTE]I have no ill feelings towards the actors and athletes you have mentioned. Because if I were in their shoes, I would probably do the same thing. I do not whine like a fuckin loser just because somebody else can afford what I cannot. And if there really is a test kit that is $500,000,there would always be a group of good Samaritan scientists who would try to develop kits at an affordable price assuming some government shitheads would not intervene in the process. Think Dr. Jonas Salk and his polio vaccine.

Anyway, I slightly went out of topic. So I would like to say that if anybody here finds a price of the girl too high, then they should not just avail of her services. No need to bullshit me or any other people who wants her because I have the right to spend money on whatever I want because I have worked for it.

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436878]Just because someone has more capacity to pay than you in the free market, you would cry foul? Much more, you recruit others to join your cause to shun others. You are funny.

Maybe you should read some Ayn Rand for enlightenment. Because she would explain to you that selfishness is a virtue. If she were alive, she would definitely approve of those rates.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=EngineDriver;2436867]
30 k peso is a drop in the ocean for her target clientele. Well paid Korean and Japanese business executives would think USD 600 for 24 hours would be cheap. Note that she claims to know basic Japanese. The benefit of girls in this price bracket is that in addition to being more forward thinking and knowing how to carry themselves in upmarket surroundings (grooming, dress, conversation), they are less likely to turn on the drama.

Has anyone tried to hire a white hooker in the West for 24 hours? That would cost between USD 2,000 to 6,000, so Miss Erin is indeed a bargain.

The mongers on this board are often not in any position to judge value, nor do they keep abreast of the true situation in the West. It is they who are delusional, not Miss Erin. These mongers hunt at the lower end, and some would think even paying 1,000 peso for LT is too much.[/QUOTE]Wholeheartedly agree with the above sentiments.

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436906]Anyway, I slightly went out of topic. So I would like to say that if anybody here finds a price of the girl too high, then they should not just avail of her services. No need to bullshit me or any other people who wants her because I have the right to spend money on whatever I want because I have worked for it. [/QUOTE]Here, here! Could not have put it better myself.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2436888]This is not the West, and I'm sure mongers aren't in Manila to pay western rates. If I wanted to hire a white girl I'd go to white man country. If I wanted to pay western rates for p4 p I'd stay in the west. If her clientele are Japanese and Koreans she's wasting her time advertising on an English medium.

[/QUOTE]Her clientele isn't limited to Japanese and Koreans. There are the businessmen from Europe who do not come to PH for fucking. Instead, in his limited free time during the night he would want a "relaxation" with a nice lady. Also, there are the 'bourgeois' provincial locals who spend a few days in Manila either for business or stopover to go to other countries, like me. Yes, we do exist. Unfortunately, for mongerers coming here they do not have knowledge about the Philippines's middle and elite class people because they only collaborate with girls from poverty class.

In summary, there is enough market for her. And high society Filipinos prefer English to Tagalog so it is not really a waste advertising on an english medium. You may complain about her high rates, but there are other ladies on Smooci with lower feedback ratings but with waaay expensive prices if you try check out.

I have girls from all of the top 5 unis on call, I don't give them 7. 5 k for one pop. I've had a marketing executive, an engineer, actual FHM models and even a journalist on call, I didn't give them 7. 5 k for one pop, some got 7 k for a day while others were happy with the same amount for a week of fun. Some of us who come to PH for the fucking (as well as the natural beauty) have done our homework enough to know the value of what we spend here relative to the environment. I've met enough middle and upper class filipinas who do this for actual fun to know what the value of 7. 5 k is in the Philippines.

I don’t doubt there are local and international mongers who don’t mind dropping 30k for one round or one day of poon. I too can afford to drop that (no, I’m not a millionaire), but it just wouldn’t sit right with me knowing what I know.

Like I said before, I get why some guys might be inclined to pay those rates. I've been in that situation myself but I know well enough to not even bother going with that rate because it will bug the hell out of me knowing the value of service I can get for that by simply opening my contact list.

Again, if she's able to convince guys to pay up under those terms, kudos to her!

I love when guys overpay, it allows them to fuck me for free. That kind of money does not buy respect, quite the opposite. Some of us bathe, brush our teeth and dress and act proper. As was mentioned if she can she can good for her!

PP.

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436878]Maybe you should read some Ayn Rand for enlightenment. Because she would explain to you that selfishness is a virtue. If she were alive, she would definitely approve of those rates.[/QUOTE]Thank God she isn't alive. What she offered was not enlightenment, it was abstract theory totally removed from social context.

[QUOTE=Paladin30;2436608]Anyone here still stuck in Manila with nothing to do? If you want to have sex right now and are willing to pay the price, my favorite girl is available right now with a special offer.

[URL]https://smooci.com/escorts/lukpMR[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey Paladin, did you really expect the ISG reaction would be anything other than what it has been so far? I wouldn't get too perturbed if some BM's think your favorite girl is nothing special or way overpriced. If you like her then that is all that matters.

My opinion is she looks good and she has the kind of body proportions I like, but I do think her price is a couple of thousand over the rate of other girls in her class. I know a few stunners, better looks that your girl, that I have payed a lot more for. Ha Ha. I see she has a high model rating on Smooci so maybe that is why she is worth the premium ie because she really delivers the goods. Or maybe you are getting a better deal than her plain vanilla offering. Who knows? Who cares? But in your original post you say she "is available right now with a special offer. " That lead me to believe there was some give and take in her ask due to the fact there are so few takers in MNL at the moment and she must be aware of it.

Anyway this is all real subjective stuff, so if others disagree with you, don't take it personally or try to defend your girl or your preference for her. Just enjoy the honey and let others enjoy theirs.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2437051]
Anyway this is all real subjective stuff, so if others disagree with you, don't take it personally or try to defend your girl or your preference for her. Just enjoy the honey and let others enjoy theirs.[/QUOTE]Nothing personal. This is just business for the flesh. I have to admit I did not like it though when one asshole wants to shun others for being able to pay a high price, and even recruiting others to join his cause. For all I know, he can have me banned from the forum if he wants to.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2437042]Thank God she isn't alive. What she offered was not enlightenment, it was abstract theory totally removed from social context.[/QUOTE]Anyone who takes Rand seriously after the age of 18 really needs to go back to school. Her writing and her so-called "philosophy" are sophomoric nonsense.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2436842]Shunned by other members. BDF! Lmao. Who would care if they were shunned? I wouldn't. Shun me all you want. It's not like I am here to socialize with the shunners. I am here to fuck the sub stunners.

Selfish bastards? Hahahahaha. Who doesn't think about their own dick? Who goes out thinking about someone else's dick? Not you.

Btw, if I was stuck in lock down and she was the only one available and willing to come to my hotel for LT I would probably pay 7500. I would have to change my budget around but it would not be hard becuz I aint spending money anyways. If she was good then I would propose a bundle price like 15k for 3-4 visits.[/QUOTE]Cannot see the forest through the trees.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2437168]Cannot see the forest through the trees.[/QUOTE]Please, please shun me now. I have already flushed you.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2437242]Please, please shun me now. I have already flushed you.[/QUOTE]Don't even waste time with people like him, friend. They exist in all walks of life. A person who, when dislikes someone else, would recruit others to join his hatred. The type who could not fight his personal battles, the reason why he needs someone else so that he can gang up on those who disagrees with him.

Let us be shunned then. We wouldn't starve to death anyway.

What's the situation in manila like recently? I have a hotel and flights book for end of April that I bought 3 months ago. Can't get in touch with the hotel to cancel or see how the situation is. Who's on the ground?

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2438596]What's the situation in manila like recently? I have a hotel and flights book for end of April that I bought 3 months ago. Can't get in touch with the hotel to cancel or see how the situation is. Who's on the ground?[/QUOTE]No International arrivals into Manila only CRK. VERY limited mobility for you and girls should you actually be able to arrive. Read the last few pages here for an indication of restricted hotel and condo access for girls.

Can you even get a flight into the country and return to your own? Most western countries have banned international departures and arrivals. The same for transit airports. You certainly won't be travelling via Japan, Singapore nor Hong Kong.

Full disclosure: I'm not actually in country now. I was due to be but had my flight cancelled. I've received full refunds or credit vouchers for all flights and hotels so I'm just going to delay my trip. I'd suggest you do the same.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2438596]What's the situation in manila like recently? I have a hotel and flights book for end of April that I bought 3 months ago. Can't get in touch with the hotel to cancel or see how the situation is. Who's on the ground?[/QUOTE]The NCR is in a deep lockdown state. Evening curfew. All malls, sports arenas, churches, entertainment venues (as in: our fav bars), and other gathering places have been closed. Grocery stores, pharmacies, and government offices are open. Most restaurants will be closed, or open for take-out only. Many Residences (condos and apartments) have stopped accepting new tenants during the lockdown period. Many have put a stop to bringing in guests. Someone posted a link here recently of an article online showing thousands of foreigners were expelled from their hotels in the NCR because their reservations had expired; at the end of their reservation the hotels booted them and would not allow them to re-occupy (many were quickly homeless as they would not be accepted at other hotels). Grocery stores are requiring customers to wait outside in a single-file line, social distancing, allowing 1 customer in as 1 customer goes out; it could take you half an hour or more in line to get inside. Get used to seeing the sign: "No mask, no entry". Get used to getting your food delivered from restaurants to your hotel / condo: Foodpanda or such delivery service.

Its possible your hotel is out of business. Google their phone number and dial them directly. Hopefully the lockdown goes away in mid-April.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2438596]What's the situation in manila like recently?[/QUOTE]The situation in Manila is the same as every other place on the planet. There is a PANdemic right now. Maybe you can not get an answer at the hotel because it is closed.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2438596]What's the situation in manila like recently? I have a hotel and flights book for end of April that I bought 3 months ago. Can't get in touch with the hotel to cancel or see how the situation is. Who's on the ground?[/QUOTE]I am. I am in Shangri-la Fort. No restaurants, lounge or room service but Raging Bull is open for take outs. I booked the escort you guys were arguing about but because the hotel won't let new guests in (a guy stands by the elevators and checks everyone coming up) I had to book an AirBnB so I can spend time with her and booking an AirBnB was a pain in the ass too. Had to beg the owner to make it happen as most buildings got a strict policy at the moment. If you are not a guest before the lockdown, you really cannot get in. The AirBnb owner made it look like I was their relative and then I still had to prove to the building administration that I am working in BGC.

Restaurants are slowly starting to open and is available to order through lalafood and GrabExpress. Transport is still unavailable so you need to arrange for a car.

The only escorts I have been able to book are those with their own cars. Erin has a car and a driver so she's the only one I was able to see and another non-pro lady. It's a miserable time to be in Philippines.

Sh! T! Thanks guys for all of the info. Sounds terrible. I booked at the Oxford Makati Palace, I've emailed and even facebook messaged them, but no answer. I'll probably have to contact Agoda or my credit card to get the cancellation. This sucks. I originally planned on going to Thailand and Philippines because I know there won't be any Chinese / Koreans / Japanese driving up the prices and it would benefit me, but looks like I won't be traveling the rest of this year until all of this blows over. Hopefully with the economies recovering afterwards, it will be back to the pre-2000 prices / fun right fellas?

Hi TK,

An optimistic precision is late June, or early Sept to be safe. Since China needed 3 months to come out of it (not fully).

Based in the non-cooperation in other continents by citizens and their country due to ignorance or sheer stupidity, Sept would probably be closer to the reality.

If you decide to go to PH quickly, make sure you book agoda rooms you can cancel.

Be safe,

Vic.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2439103]Sh! T! Thanks guys for all of the info. Sounds terrible. I booked at the Oxford Makati Palace, I've emailed and even facebook messaged them, but no answer. I'll probably have to contact Agoda or my credit card to get the cancellation. This sucks. I originally planned on going to Thailand and Philippines because I know there won't be any Chinese / Koreans / Japanese driving up the prices and it would benefit me, but looks like I won't be traveling the rest of this year until all of this blows over. Hopefully with the economies recovering afterwards, it will be back to the pre-2000 prices / fun right fellas?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2439235]

If you decide to go to PH quickly, make sure you book agoda rooms you can cancel.
[/QUOTE]Check also that visas on arrival (aka tourist visas) are being issued. At present no visas are being issued on arrival.

If flights do start up again on April 15 or 16 you can expect that preference will be given to those who have either a Philippines passport or a permanent visa (like a 39 a / spouse visa).

It hasn't been established yet when visas on arrival will be re-commenced. You'd be wise not to book hotels until the visa aspect is clarified.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2439352]
If flights do start up again on April 15 or 16 [/QUOTE]I hope they do but actually I'm afraid Du30 will extend this enhanced quarantine at least for another 2 weeks till end of April.

I am no expert on contagion, but it seems to me a country, any country, will have to keep their quarantine / lockdown in effect until at least 14 days after the last known occurrence or risk a 2nd flare up or until a cure can be widely distributed. The Z pac is looking ever more promising in this respect. Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2439363]I hope they do but actually I'm afraid Du30 will extend this enhanced quarantine at least for another 2 weeks till end of April.[/QUOTE]I am already preparing for the extension. I don't think there is a chance in hell its lifted before April 30.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2439394]I am already preparing for the extension. I don't think there is a chance in hell its lifted before April 30.[/QUOTE]Seems some law makers think the same.

[URL]https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1252088/solon-seeks-30-day-extension-of-quarantine-in-luzon-story[/URL]

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2439103]I booked at the Oxford Makati Palace, I've emailed and even facebook messaged them, but no answer. I'll probably have to contact Agoda or my credit card to get the cancellation. [/QUOTE]I wouldn't expect you to have any problems when you deal direct with Agoda. When I wanted to cancel all my non refundable bookings with several hotels, I too contacted them direct. I received a universal 'speak to Agoda'. When I cancelled the bookings on the App there was a message saying that all cancellations will be honoured and I received a 100% refund inc taxes and fees.

Just go direct to Agoda (if you originally booked through them).

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2439388]I am no expert on contagion, but it seems to me a country, any country, will have to keep their quarantine / lockdown in effect until at least 14 days after the last known occurrence or risk a 2nd flare up or until a cure can be widely distributed. The Z pac is looking ever more promising in this respect. Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin.[/QUOTE]Absent a cure using readily available existing drugs in some combination (a real long shot BTW) we should look to Wuhan to see how long a strict lock down takes to control the virus.

They were locked down 11 weeks. A leaky lock-down will take longer to eradicate the disease.

My wild ass guess is that some form of lock down travel restriction will extend until June or July. I have resigned myself to not making it home to Canada this year for my annual visit.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2439515]Absent a cure using readily available existing drugs in some combination (a real long shot BTW) we should look to Wuhan to see how long a strict lock down takes to control the virus.

They were locked down 11 weeks. A leaky lock-down will take longer to eradicate the disease.

My wild ass guess is that some form of lock down travel restriction will extend until June or July. I have resigned myself to not making it home to Canada this year for my annual visit.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't look at Wuhan, the Chinese have lied through their teeth and still are. They disappear doctors who try to tell the world the truth. This is going to go on a lot longer than June or July. If you believe Wuhan is virus free I have some lightly used N95 masks to sell you....

With asymptomatic people spreading the disease, there is no waiting until the last known person is no longer infectious, because there will always be unknown infectious people. There will be some level of travel restrictions in place until they have a vaccine.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2439522]I wouldn't look at Wuhan, the Chinese have lied through their teeth and still are. They disappear doctors who try to tell the world the truth. This is going to go on a lot longer than June or July. If you believe Wuhan is virus free I have some lightly used N95 masks to sell you....

With asymptomatic people spreading the disease, there is no waiting until the last known person is no longer infectious, because there will always be unknown infectious people. There will be some level of travel restrictions in place until they have a vaccine.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Even people who have had it and have recovered should be careful. No vaccine will give you immunity for the rest of your life and the same with recovering from a virus. You will have some immunity for a time, maybe. But no one can tell you how long before the immunity wears off.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2439522]I wouldn't look at Wuhan, the Chinese have lied through their teeth and still are. They disappear doctors who try to tell the world the truth. This is going to go on a lot longer than June or July. If you believe Wuhan is virus free I have some lightly used N95 masks to sell you....

With asymptomatic people spreading the disease, there is no waiting until the last known person is no longer infectious, because there will always be unknown infectious people. There will be some level of travel restrictions in place until they have a vaccine.[/QUOTE]The virus is out there. All that can really be done is get prepared with the equipment, medicine and plan to deal with it, allow healthy people to return to their lives and support the at risk for a prolonged period. It is the same family as the common cold, if it were easy to develop a vaccine why do we still get colds?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2439491]I wouldn't expect you to have any problems when you deal direct with Agoda. When I wanted to cancel all my non refundable bookings with several hotels, I too contacted them direct. I received a universal 'speak to Agoda'. When I cancelled the bookings on the App there was a message saying that all cancellations will be honoured and I received a 100% refund inc taxes and fees.

Just go direct to Agoda (if you originally booked through them).

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I'm speaking with Agoda now, but it seems they will try to contact the hotel and work with them on a refund. Should I still try to cancel the booking on the app now? Yours might have been a special case if you booked before a certain period, or your hotel is generous with the cancellations.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2439627]I'm speaking with Agoda now, but it seems they will try to contact the hotel and work with them on a refund. Should I still try to cancel the booking on the app now? Yours might have been a special case if you booked before a certain period, or your hotel is generous with the cancellations.[/QUOTE]Go to the App's cancellation page and read it carefully BEFORE doing the final acceptance. As I said, mine had an instruction that all cancellations would be honoured and I received a full refund, even of supposedly non refundable, cut price bookings. If yours says the same thing then I'd have high confidence you will be the same. If you receive a message that your booking is non refundable then don't finalize the cancellation but talk / email Agoda's Customer reps. Remember that wait times could be quite long as they will be inundated with similar requests.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2439627]I'm speaking with Agoda now, but it seems they will try to contact the hotel and work with them on a refund. Should I still try to cancel the booking on the app now? Yours might have been a special case if you booked before a certain period, or your hotel is generous with the cancellations.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I misread your reply saying that you are already speaking direct to Agoda. I'd still have a look and see what their online cancellation page says, cancel with refund there if it's available, or continue to see if the reps can help you if it's not. Again, expect a wait as they will be receiving 1000's of similar requests.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2439627]I'm speaking with Agoda now, but it seems they will try to contact the hotel and work with them on a refund. Should I still try to cancel the booking on the app now? Yours might have been a special case if you booked before a certain period, or your hotel is generous with the cancellations.[/QUOTE]I would not outright cancel a pre-paid, no show, full penalty Agoda reservation. That is asking for trouble. Be patient and let the system work. Agoda is overloaded with cancellations, but once Agoda contacts your hotel, you will most likely receive a full refund. Anyway, that has been my experience with Corona and a Agoda Hotel full penalty reservation cancellation request.

Meanwhile, I have had much easier cancellations / refunds / point re-bookings with Expedia (easy & fast), Hyatt (seamless & perfect), Marriott (no problem but it took time), Intercontinental (still waiting for one of their expired vouchers to be extended so I can use it, but otherwise good), Scoot (great), and United (no complaints).

My absolute worst experience getting a Corona refund has been with Air Asia. After many tries I finally have 2 Air Asia reservations "in progress" towards receiving a full refund, but it was not easy and Air Asia tells me it may take up to 30 days before the refund hits my CC account. I have a 3rd Air Asia ticket that I wish refunded, but the flyer (guest) is one of my girls - Yangon Sally, and the Air Asia auto refund program kept malfunctioning on the final line of the refund process. So I finally gave up on getting a refund for that ticket after the umpteenth attempt and had to settle for a 365 day flight credit in my Air Asia account instead.

Thus my message to you is be patient, yet persistent with Agoda and I think you will eventually get your refund. But the moral of this story is do not forget who gives you trouble refunding and who is a breeze to work with when it comes time to make your next booking(s).

I just had my go-around with Agoda. On a prepaid, no refund, reservation at Shangri-La in Jakarta.

Here is how it worked for me:

1. I emailed Shangri-La first and they replied in a day that because of Corona they would honor a full refund, but I had to go thru Agoda for the refund.

2. I had 2 email exchanges and a phone call with Agoda. No result.

3. I received a 3rd email from Agoda asking for a copy of the Shangri-La refund email.

4. After sending a copy of the S-L email to Agoda, I got a full refund in less than 24 hours (has yet to post to my CC).

GOOD LUCK.

I am an Agoda VIP whatever that means. For some unknown reason I like to make all bookings hotel, airline, trips etc well in advance. Never had a problem before. Situations like what is happening now upends most plans.

Here on I will book hotels just a few days before going. There is not much difference in prices. Actually sometimes it goes down. I have tried using Agoda price matching guarantee with no clear progress. For my last trip I got refunds only after I called Agoda USA hotline. Initially they say it is already paid for and no refunds. I kept at it and sooner or later I found an sympathetic agent and she arranged my refund after put on hold for a long time. This trip one hotel in Bangkok absolutely refused refund. But I am complato Agoda and hopefully get some Agoda bucks to be used for next booking.

Airline bookings are easier under current situation to get a refund. Air Asia known for stiffing you gave me credit for funds to be used for next booking. Well, Air Asia is the cheapest airline anyway in terms of fares. It is always better to book air tickets six months in advance to get the best fares trans continental.

I'd seriously advise anyone thinking of booking for the Philippines in the next few months to wait and see what the decree is about visas.

At present I believe only PH passport holders and permanent residents (39 A visa holders and others) can enter the country once the restrictions are lifted on or after April 14.

I have a 39 A and a booking to return on April 17 and my travel agent asked for a scanned copy of my permanent ICR card to assure that I wouldn't be bumped off the April 17 flight.

Wait and see when BoI advises that visas-on-arrival (tourist visas) are again being issued.

For those getting the run-around with Agoda, [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] has an option to get full refund on cancellation; part refund on cancellation or no refund. The prices correlate with the options so choose your own risk level.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2439876]I'd seriously advise anyone thinking of booking for the Philippines in the next few months to wait and see what the decree is about visas.

At present I believe only PH passport holders and permanent residents (39 A visa holders and others) can enter the country once the restrictions are lifted on or after April 14.

I have a 39 A and a booking to return on April 17 and my travel agent asked for a scanned copy of my permanent ICR card to assure that I wouldn't be bumped off the April 17 flight.

Wait and see when BoI advises that visas-on-arrival (tourist visas) are again being issued.

For those getting the run-around with Agoda, [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] has an option to get full refund on cancellation; part refund on cancellation or no refund. The prices correlate with the options so choose your own risk level.[/QUOTE]I suspect the lock down will be extended beyond April 14. Just my hunch. Based on the overcrowding condition, lack of nutritious food or any food. We may see a breakdown in law with the people demanding food or their 8 k cash promised by Duterte. There aren't enough hospitals to serve the general population.

Also with roads closed and no transportation for farmers to send their products to markets, we will soon see a complete breakdown in the docile system.

Hope I am completely wrong but I don't see any solutions.

Scientist backs lockdown extension, says PH needs 2-3 months to 'flatten the curve'.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NISIBh-Nvz0[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2439876]I'd seriously advise anyone thinking of booking for the Philippines in the next few months to wait and see what the decree is about visas.[/QUOTE]Many people are commenting on the difficulties in arriving in PI. This is irrelevant to most westerners as our airlines and governments have shut down departure flights anyway.

I know I couldn't get there even if I wanted to and regardless of their VOA situation.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2439882]I suspect the lock down will be extended beyond April 14. Just my hunch. Based on the overcrowding condition, lack of nutritious food or any food. We may see a breakdown in law with the people demanding food or their 8 k cash promised by Duterte. There aren't enough hospitals to serve the general population.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AgentOrange;2439967]Scientist backs lockdown extension, says PH needs 2-3 months to 'flatten the curve'.[/QUOTE]Last Friday, March 27: About 500 cases in Phils. Today April 3, just over 3,000 cases. A six-fold increase in a week. A 'bloom' in session. Things don't bode well for April 14.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2439876]...........For those getting the run-around with Agoda, [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] has an option to get full refund on cancellation; part refund on cancellation or no refund. The prices correlate with the options so choose your own risk level.[/QUOTE]Isn't it easier to get a refund on cancellation if you book directly with the hotel?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2440013]Isn't it easier to get a refund on cancellation if you book directly with the hotel?[/QUOTE]I'm struggling to understand what is so "difficult" about cancelling Agoda bookings. Once I found out I needed to deal directly with Agoda rather than the hotel, it took me about 10 clicks on my phone's app to cancel 4 supposedly nonrefundable bookings. The full refund was in my bank the next day.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2439993]Last Friday, March 27: About 500 cases in Phils. Today April 3, just over 3,000 cases. A six-fold increase in a week. A 'bloom' in session. Things don't bode well for April 14.[/QUOTE]If anything, the quarantines appear to be tightening, and I don't believe, as one who lives here, that there's an immediate end in sight. In Davao, where I live, individual movements become more restricted every few days, and we're now transitioning to an exit pass system that allows one person per household to leave the property to buy food and / or medicine. The only exceptions are for "essential" workers.

GE.

True M. AD,

Realizing the extent of the impact of CORONAVIRUS in the US right now, it is unthinkable that the number of deaths could be as low as it is in China.

Noting that data transparency is not necessarily an obligation, I would give a rough estimate as "much more the the numbers in the current US"!

Be safe friends.

Victor.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2439541]Exactly. Even people who have had it and have recovered should be careful. No vaccine will give you immunity for the rest of your life and the same with recovering from a virus. You will have some immunity for a time, maybe. But no one can tell you how long before the immunity wears off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2440124]If anything, the quarantines appear to be tightening, and I don't believe, as one who lives here, that there's an immediate end in sight. In Davao, where I live, individual movements become more restricted every few days, and we're now transitioning to an exit pass system that allows one person per household to leave the property to buy food and / or medicine. The only exceptions are for "essential" workers.

GE.[/QUOTE]

China and Italy were on very strict lockdowns for 10 or 11 weeks each before they got control over this. Don't expect the current restrictions to end any time soon.

Best get a honey you can spend 24 hours a day with for the next couple of months and spend all your time fucking and sucking.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2440176]China and Italy were on very strict lockdowns for 10 or 11 weeks each before they got control over this. ..............[/QUOTE]Italy's got control over it?

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2440176]China and Italy were on very strict lockdowns for 10 or 11 weeks each before they got control over this. Don't expect the current restrictions to end any time soon.[/QUOTE]China never went on lockdown. Hubei did. In the rest of China, people self selected to stay indoors and minimize contact, but to my knowledge at no point was going outside explicitly prohibited. The timeline of Europe / US will be significantly longer than China's because the population don't listen.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2439522]I wouldn't look at Wuhan, the Chinese have lied through their teeth and still are. They disappear doctors who try to tell the world the truth. This is going to go on a lot longer than June or July. If you believe Wuhan is virus free I have some lightly used N95 masks to sell you....[/QUOTE]This general attitude of 'don't believe China' is ridiculous. As a technicality, yes the number of cases is likely to be an underestimate due to asymptomatic cases and the chaos of the outbreak, but I don't think anyone cares about a few hundred or thousand cases here. I have been back in China for 3 weeks and I have been given 8 tests for Covid19 now. Meanwhile, in my home country, government advice is to self isolate for 14 days if you have symptoms and not to go to hospital to be tested. Which of these methodologies do we think is going to result in an under reporting of cases?

I can't speak to Wuhan, but life in my (very large) city is back to normal apart from constant temperature checks. I went out and ate a restaurant tonight with some friends and I'll be doing the same tomorrow night and going out to some bars afterwards. If the Chinese government were lying and this social behaviour was carrying on, the country would be on its knees by now.

An LA Cafe girl that occasionally sends selfies or memes is barking on WhatsApp that she might be out of work for 2 months can I be her wire transfer sponsor and she'll pay me back (no specifics of $ or services).

If I was made of $$$ I'd think about it but I'm not made of $$$ plus I'm kinda hurting at home too.

This is a first for me.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2440350]An LA Cafe girl that occasionally sends selfies or memes is barking on WhatsApp that she might be out of work for 2 months can I be her wire transfer sponsor and she'll pay me back (no specifics of $ or services).
......[/QUOTE]I have seen a huge increase in the number of regular girls asking for money very soon into the conservation. They are blaming the lockdown and loss of income.

It also appears that the Barangys are not fairly distributing the food parcels, many have not received or have only gotten a kg or so of rice. One girl has complained that it smells bad so may be rotten or contaminated.

The government really needs to address this problem or there wil be serious consequences if social order breaks down.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2440350]An LA Cafe girl that occasionally sends selfies or memes is barking on WhatsApp that she might be out of work for 2 months can I be her wire transfer sponsor and she'll pay me back (no specifics of $ or services).

If I was made of $$$ I'd think about it but I'm not made of $$$ plus I'm kinda hurting at home too.

This is a first for me.[/QUOTE]I tell them that the whole world is in the same boat right now. For some reason people are local visioned and not thinking this thing is affected the entire planet. Well I guess most people don't keep up with the world, only what is immediately around them.

I stopped chatting with the girls. Cannot even say HI before they start asking for money. I say right now USA is in lockdown which they understand. For those who know things about online I say money transfer is not allowed.

For me no point in keeping contact because nobody knows how Long this situation lasts and when the world will get back to normal.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2440404]I stopped chatting with the girls. Cannot even say HI before they start asking for money. I say right now USA is in lockdown which they understand. For those who know things about online I say money transfer is not allowed.

For me no point in keeping contact because nobody knows how Long this situation lasts and when the world will get back to normal.[/QUOTE]The only reason I 'chat' with online girls while I'm at home is to get their WhatsApp number for when I arrive in the Philippines. Anything beyond that is just a waste of both of our time. When I arrive then "Hi, want to grab a coffee in Greenbelt / Ayala?" is much more productive for everyone than reading about her HRD course or my life in suburbia.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2440404]I stopped chatting with the girls. Cannot even say HI before they start asking for money. ....[/QUOTE]I for one am still very active on the dating sites and in contact with my regulars. I am in Philippines and in strict lockdown so I need something to do. This way I will have a stable of good solid new contacts to pick up as soon as movement resumes.

I just follow my usual rule. They ask for money, especially at the start of the chat and GOODBYE.

I get more replies and more money requests but can still have about the same numbers in the pipeline.

May be a waste of time, but I have lots to waste.

I am also finding some old contacts, some going back to 2017 reconnecting to ask for money. That tends to be a very short conservation too.

I have two long term regulars that I will give support to. One I have mentioned before . She is a very quiet shy girl, at the start she would come over and sit with her purse in her lap at my place, it took her a while to relax but now she strips off as soon as the door is closed, kneels down unzips me and starts sucking. She is the Blow Job Queen and wiling to do anything I want. Still extremely shy in public, I have to go sign her in, or pick her up personally, A little hassle but so well worth it. I have put her on a fixed allowance.

The other is the one that arranges most of my 3some, she has arranged more than 2 girls for me several times. She is also great at blow jobs. ( It was fun when she used me a s a teaching aid for an 18 year old who had never had a cock pass her lips.). She has not asked yet but has called me on video chats and masturbated for my viewing pleasure. I am sure a money request will be coming soon.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2440362]
It also appears that the Barangys are not fairly distributing the food parcels, many have not received or have only gotten a kg or so of rice. One girl has complained that it smells bad so may be rotten or contaminated.[/QUOTE]I chatted yesterday with a girl in Carcar, asked her if the government was going to give her any money as I have read on the Phil news that they were giving to everyone poor. She said only single mothers with kids at home, PWD, and over 60 yos were getting anything. She does not qualify because no kids but no work. As she and I go way back and I have a fair measure of trust in her I believe her. It does appear individual Barangys are making up their own rules or the Phil news outlets are wrong about who gets it. The Only way the chieftains can get their corrupt share is to change the rules and take from the pot.

Day 1.

Meet a girl named the. Found on Tinder. Very hot body. DFK, no BJ but came twice. Pay her 2 K pesos pocket money.

Day 2.

Meet a girl named see. Found on PinaLove. She is very sexy and looks at me with fuck me eyes. BBBJ, came twice and paid her 4 K pesos. FYI very bad results from FilipinoCupid. Go to KTV where girl the. From yesterday works. Pay 1. 7 K pesos.

Day 3.

Meet 21 year old cute girl from Tinder and have dinner. She wants to go KTV in Makati for 1.9 K pesos. I decline.

Day 4.

Pick up (mid 20's and cute girl from LA Cafe. CBJ, came twice. Paid 4 K pesos for 2 hours.

Day 5.

Meet see. From day 2 again. Told her to wear stockings. She wants me to rip them. BBBJ. She looks at me seductively when I fuck doggystyle in front of the mirror.

Day 6.

I am top rated on Tinder LOL.

Questions to those on location, when do you think it will be realistic to return to Manila?

I'm think late July / early August at best.

I have to confess I'm getting slightly depressed being unable to travel like I do every couple of months!

I'm worried that Duterte will impose a quarantine on travelers coming from Europe.

Confinement can't last for too long, all the girls are begging me for money.

Some are so desperate that girls I talked to, a couple of years ago and didn't even met are asking!

Being a good boy, I bought all my regular girls a 50 kg rice bag on Lazada.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2443761]Questions to those on location, when do you think it will be realistic to return to Manila?

I'm think late July / early August at best.

I have to confess I'm getting slightly depressed being unable to travel like I do every couple of months!

I'm worried that Duterte will impose a quarantine on travelers coming from Europe.

Confinement can't last for too long, all the girls are begging me for money.

Some are so desperate that girls I talked to, a couple of years ago and didn't even met are asking!

Being a good boy, I bought all my regular girls a 50 kg rice bag on Lazada.[/QUOTE]How much did you pay for a 50 kilo sack of rice?

How did you get it delivered?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2443797]How much did you pay for a 50 kilo sack of rice?

How did you get it delivered?[/QUOTE]He clearly says he ordered it on Lazada. The price and delivery details will come up when you search under "rice". Just giving you the advice you give other mongers on this board.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2443797]How much did you pay for a 50 kilo sack of rice?

How did you get it delivered?[/QUOTE]Lazada is an online shop. Google it.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2443761]Questions to those on location, when do you think it will be realistic to return to Manila?

I'm think late July / early August at best.

I have to confess I'm getting slightly depressed being unable to travel like I do every couple of months!

I'm worried that Duterte will impose a quarantine on travelers coming from Europe.

Confinement can't last for too long, all the girls are begging me for money.

Some are so desperate that girls I talked to, a couple of years ago and didn't even met are asking!

Being a good boy, I bought all my regular girls a 50 kg rice bag on Lazada.[/QUOTE]You might want to confirm when and if those bags of rice will be delivered. There is currently a 4-12 week delay for practically everything being sold on Lazada at the moment.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2443761]Questions to those on location, when do you think it will be realistic to return to Manila? I'm think late July / early August at best.[/QUOTE]What is your rationale for thinking that?

[QUOTE=RainMania;2443880]You might want to confirm when and if those bags of rice will be delivered. There is currently a 4-12 week delay for practically everything being sold on Lazada at the moment.[/QUOTE]I agree as some items that a cutie ordered is yet to be delivered and has been over 6 weeks.

And if it is rice are you sure it will arrive as many will this as an opportunity to feed their families.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2443847]He clearly says he ordered it on Lazada. The price and delivery details will come up when you search under "rice". Just giving you the advice you give other mongers on this board.[/QUOTE]No that answer would be marginally helpful his response would be more like "Limp Richards here have nothing to do but ask about delivery of rice by Lazada. Why? They live a pathetic pussy less life. Meanwhile stiffies will find a way to find it and to insert in some young babe".

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2443847]He clearly says he ordered it on Lazada. The price and delivery details will come up when you search under "rice". Just giving you the advice you give other mongers on this board.[/QUOTE]Understand the question first before giving advise. Is my advise to you.

I know what Lazada is. There are many vendors on the site with different prices and different delivery.

I wanted to know what he paid for a 50 kg sack and the delivery method. I doubt google has that answer!

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2443761]

Some are so desperate that girls I talked to, a couple of years ago and didn't even met are asking!

Being a good boy, I bought all my regular girls a 50 kg rice bag on Lazada.[/QUOTE]Better than sending money, so not a bad call.

An estimated 450 to 500 families, according to the Bureau of Fire Protection, have been displaced by a Saturday morning blaze that razed through a residential area in Happyland, a slum in Tondo, Manila.

The Manila misery index just took another hit. No one is happy in Happyland.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2443761]Being a good boy, I bought all my regular girls a 50 kg rice bag on Lazada.[/QUOTE]Did they receive the rice Fork Truck? Let us know.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2444387]Did they receive the rice Fork Truck? Let us know.[/QUOTE]Escort. Please confirm all received the 50 kgs am interested as if it works it proves that the delivery guys etc are not as corrupt as I think at times LOL.

Fork Truck = sorry my bad LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2445089]Escort. Please confirm all received the 50 kgs am interested as if it works it proves that the delivery guys etc are not as corrupt as I think at times LOL.

Fork Truck = sorry my bad LOL.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that not all received the rice. In normal times it works flawless, Lazada has grown to be an efficient e-commerce plateform in the Phils. These days it really depends of location of vendor and location of the girl.

One girl didn't receive the 25 KG (not 50 KG) bag I bought for me. I got refunded of 1300-ish Pesos. 1300 was the bag + the delivery. Didn't even need to ask automatic refund.

Lazada being a market place some vendors will deliver to certain areas and not others. (she lives near TayTay / Rizal).

You should get your girls to call various vendors and make sure the vendors will deliver. Often I will be educational, girl will learn how to benchmark vendors and various kind of rice in order to seek for a deal with good value for money.

Then I get the girl to msg me her login / pass, all I need to do is log and pay (your card information isn't saved).

It's a good system to make sure the money is allocated to rice and nothing else. And each time she will eat her rice in the next month or two she will remember her kind sugar daddy.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2443761]Questions to those on location, when do you think it will be realistic to return to Manila?

I'm think late July / early August at best.

......

[/QUOTE]No one can be realistic on a possible return date. I am in lockdown in Cebu province so I have a lot of time to surf and read up on stuff. I have a good background and interest in statistics and mathematical models so would be comfortable if I could get some actual technical discussions on these models and have a look at them myself. So far all I can find is superficial discussions.

From everything I have read we cannot expect easy travel until several conditions are met. These include:

1) a vaccine available.

2) a reliable treatment available.

3) Sufficient numbers of people have had the virus so a limited herd immunity will develop.

4) Good screening methods be available to determine if someone has the virus, has had the virus and got has some immunity and who has not had the virus and is at risk.

5) good contact tracking is available to determine who a possibly infected person has been in contact with so that preventative and containment measures can be taken before the virus spreads.

6) sufficient hospital capacity and supplies are available so that a region can handle a localized outbreak of the disease.

Right now we don't know enough about the virus to determine its transmission patterns and methods reliably. We don't have any treatment available except palliative treatments (make the patient comfortable, put them on a ventilator if necessary until the either recover or die). Testing capacity is inadequate in just about every country in the world, there are massive shortages of hospital supplies and the best testing methods take days for results and are not all that reliable.

Now there is some overlap in vaccines and propagation and recovery from the virus in getting herd immunity I see that these conditions are 12 to 18 months away, even giving the possibility of accelerated development of drugs and vaccines.

Even once these are in place, expect that some places will impose 14 or more day quarantine on arrival requirements for visitors from selected places.

I have given up on the possibility of my annual trip to Canada this summer, I am even thinking I may not get home next year. Part of this may be that full travel restrictions will still be in place others are that if I had to do a 14 day quarantine on arrival in Canada plus another 14 days on return here that means my one week family visit will take 5 weeks and I simply will not do that. IMHO, a long weekend mongering trip into the Philippines is not realistic in 2020.

I would actually be happy if they relaxed the local travel restrictions so I could get one (or two) of my regulars here then I would hunker down, be a social hermit and fuck my brains out a couple times a day.

To make a long story short, I am guessing that we will not see a return to anything approaching the old normal in terms of travel and public assemblies of large numbers of people for at least a year, if not two or more. We will not see a return to old travel patterns for disease related reasons. There will also be economic changes in travel, many airlines, hotels and other travel facilities will go bankrupt, people will not be able to afford to travel. The new normal may not be established for a few years.

My hope is that since I am here have sufficient funds independent of working and the stock market performance, that I will be able to live well here. I hope that the surplus of cash poor local girls and the defect of cash rich foreign mongers will make this monger's heaven in a few months.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2445587]

From everything I have read we cannot expect easy travel until several conditions are met. These include:[/QUOTE]7) Donor countries allow Mongers' departure for international travel.

1 thru 6 are irrelevant if Mongers cannot even leave their home town. In many countries that may be well into 2021.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2445596]7) Donor countries allow Mongers' departure for international travel.

1 thru 6 are irrelevant if Mongers cannot even leave their home town. In many countries that may be well into 2021.
[/QUOTE]8) Philippines BoI lifts its ban on tourist visas so that Mongers who are allowed to leave home towns can be admitted to Philippines.

Some hotels like Dusit Thani seems to be accepting reservations from 16th of May onwards. Let's take it as a positive sign.

J.

[QUOTE=TraderJ;2446983]Some hotels like Dusit Thani seems to be accepting reservations from 16th of May onwards. Let's take it as a positive sign.

J.[/QUOTE]Are there any flight and / or Visa changes to go along with the relaxing of the hotel restrictions?

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2447152]Are there any flight and / or Visa changes to go along with the relaxing of the hotel restrictions?

G.[/QUOTE]There is how ever new softened stance from minister of tourism so let's see what next 2-4 weeks bring. For government news I follow the government news agency [URL]https://www.pna.gov.ph/[/URL].

J.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2447152]Are there any flight and / or Visa changes to go along with the relaxing of the hotel restrictions?

G.[/QUOTE]Some carriers have flights available (domestically also) but would you want to jump on the first plane into a country that has yet to control the virus? For many tourism will change forever and for some they won't care and hope they never get infected.

Would you fly to the USA now and holiday? I see that as a good question to ask about the Philippines.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2448399]Would you fly to the USA now and holiday? I see that as a good question to ask about the Philippines.[/QUOTE]I was just asking to gauge how much the PI restrictions are being unwound.

I've no plans on travelling anywhere soon. Firstly, because of the risks that you mentioned would be much higher than where I am now. Secondly, travel restrictions have yet to be relaxed here and I can't drive across town, let alone catch a non essential international flight.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=TraderJ;2446983]Some hotels like Dusit Thani seems to be accepting reservations from 16th of May onwards. Let's take it as a positive sign.

J.[/QUOTE]I think a lot of this is to get cash flow. Ryanair have opened their autumn schedule and are charging a premium. If they have to refund no problem as it will take them many months to do it. Spanish hotels are (supposed to be) opening but they are wasting their time if they cannot get British and German customers. Real chicken and egg stuff. Then we have the bums British Airways gave emergency evacuation flights to complaining there was no social distancing. BA should have left the bums rot.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2448399]Some carriers have flights available (domestically also) but would you want to jump on the first plane into a country that has yet to control the virus? For many tourism will change forever and for some they won't care and hope they never get infected.

Would you fly to the USA now and holiday? I see that as a good question to ask about the Philippines.[/QUOTE]It might be safer to fly from USA to Philippines. At least much more pleasurable in PH than USA!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2448549]Secondly, travel restrictions have yet to be relaxed here and I can't drive across town, let alone catch a non essential international flight.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I would agree with that best keep your leash tight but then when unleashed am sure your balls so big they will explode LOL.

DG. Yes agree and same for UK and some parts of Europe.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2448399]


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Would you fly to the USA now and holiday? I see that as a good question to ask about the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Even without the virus I have no desire to go to the USA.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2447152]Are there any flight and / or Visa changes to go along with the relaxing of the hotel restrictions?

G.[/QUOTE]If you are on your own dime, I would not do anything that requires a credit card or prepayment guarantee. You don't know which companies will be standing and it will be hard to get cash refunds. Even large establishments are trying to pull fast ones, IMHO. It is only going to get worse. And rules can change rapidly.

Some hotels silently closed because confirmed case (s) stayed there and they reopen. Others close to wait out the storm.

Glad to see some posts of people helping out. I just hope my efforts will not get me in trouble. Can support a couple villages and some girls close by but the girls close by are too close. Last thing Ineed is one loose cannon.

There are exemptions but there are over zealous dirty harries who might shoot first.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2448728]If you are on your own dime, I would not do anything that requires a credit card or prepayment guarantee. ......t.[/QUOTE]Usually your agreement with the credit card company is that you have to get something for your money or you can dispute a charge.

That is why when tour operators or airlines went bankrupt people who had not flown were refunded money by the card company. People who had flown one way got something for their money and so were out of luck for the remainder.

You might have a fight to get the money back but if you can demonstrate that you were unable to use the hotel because it was not accepting guests you should prevail in the long run.

Of course that still does not solve the issue of where you will sleep tonight.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2449505]Usually your agreement with the credit card company is that you have to get something for your money or you can dispute a charge.

That is why when tour operators or airlines went bankrupt people who had not flown were refunded money by the card company. People who had flown one way got something for their money and so were out of luck for the remainder.

You might have a fight to get the money back but if you can demonstrate that you were unable to use the hotel because it was not accepting guests you should prevail in the long run.

Of course that still does not solve the issue of where you will sleep tonight.[/QUOTE]A lot depends on where you get the credit card and where you "are". Most Western countries have good consumer protection rules. Some credit card companies are better than others. In the old days, Amex was the gold standard. It also depends on the "level" or color of your card, as in how much, if anything, you pay in membership fees.

Even if you are protected, it can be time consuming and long.

In the current environment, some major companies are playing games and dragging things out.

If possible, I would not give a credit hold. There are plenty of places that would skip a credit card hold. Or use a travel agency.

It is very difficult to travel internationally now and those operators still up are desperate.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2450179]Even if you are protected, it can be time consuming and long.[/QUOTE]No it is not long. You fill out a form with supporting documentation. If you have a legitimate case it takes a couple of weeks. The credit card companies take the money from the bank, the bank of the supplier then deals with the supplier. The credit card companies are international organisations and have consistent rules. They have an issuing bank but you are following Visa or MasterCard etc rules.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2450301]No it is not long. You fill out a form with supporting documentation. If you have a legitimate case it takes a couple of weeks. The credit card companies take the money from the bank, the bank of the supplier then deals with the supplier. The credit card companies are international organisations and have consistent rules. They have an issuing bank but you are following Visa or MasterCard etc rules.[/QUOTE]YMMV. I find different. Even in US. In the good old days, AMEX was fantastic. Worldwide. But nowadays, they are the pretty much same as their competitors. Maybe just a little better.

My caution is don't prepay if you can or use a credit card guarantee that you might need to spend time resolving.

Even on cards with built in insurance, it will take time and money to get your money back if you ever do. With Airplane tickets are are stuck. You need to pay upfront. If the airline cancels your flight, you might be moved to a different flight automatically. But getting cash back even in the best of times is time consuming and expensive.

YMMV. I don't care what you do. I am just sharing my experience.

Is anybody in Manila at this moment?

Since Manila will be in GCQ on June, I'm planning to flight to Manila on June to visit the Canadian Embassy.

So I'm looking for a 4 to 5 nights hotel / condo / airbnb accomodation.

Here in Negros where I am, the hotels and even short hotels are open for new reservations because we are in GCQ already. So will be the same in Manila?

What about girl friendly stays? Am I allow to bring a guest so she can sleep or maybe visit me for afew hours?

I read GCQ guidelines, and domestic flights will be allow from GCQ to GCQ areas, so getting a flight shouldn't be a problem. The accommodation will be the problem for me.

Hopefully a monger who lives in Manila right now can give me some advice.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2454550]Is anybody in Manila at this moment?

Since Manila will be in GCQ on June, I'm planning to flight to Manila on June to visit the Canadian Embassy.

So I'm looking for a 4 to 5 nights hotel / condo / airbnb accomodation.

Here in Negros where I am, the hotels and even short hotels are open for new reservations because we are in GCQ already. So will be the same in Manila?

What about girl friendly stays? Am I allow to bring a guest so she can sleep or maybe visit me for afew hours?

I read GCQ guidelines, and domestic flights will be allow from GCQ to GCQ areas, so getting a flight shouldn't be a problem. The accommodation will be the problem for me.

Hopefully a monger who lives in Manila right now can give me some advice.[/QUOTE]Read the local news and this board as tourist are still not allowed (no visas) and maybe 14 day quarantine likely at your cost.

Best call the Embassy and ask before you book.

Residents who are currently outside the country at present have had flight rescheduled a lot so why think you get in front of them?

So rad the local news and if you RTFF you find some comments form informed mongers on this plus links to news articles saying the above.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2454550]
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I read GCQ guidelines, and domestic flights will be allow from GCQ to GCQ areas, so getting a flight shouldn't be a problem.
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[/QUOTE]I also read that at least within Manila there will not be travel from once GCQ city to another, except for work.

I want to bring a regular from Manila to Cebu and we will hunker down and ride out the second wave but am not fully convinced that inter island travel will be possible.

My landlords wife is in Negros and cannot get back to Cebu. He thinks that there might be a "private ferry" that can bring her over as the inter-island ferries not officially running.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2454550]I read GCQ guidelines, and domestic flights will be allow from GCQ to GCQ areas, so getting a flight shouldn't be a problem. The accommodation will be the problem for me.[/QUOTE]I read today in PhilStar that GCQ to GCQ travel is OK beginning June 1. However too often in the Philippines the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing or even cares. Local Government Units are making power plays and making up their own rules concerning who can go where and who cannot. When you land you might find yourself in a bureaucratic nightmare. Until you make the Journey (and you may be the first ISG guy to try it) you will not know. Good Luck and let us know how you make out. I hope you don't end up like these hapless folks. " At least 24 residents of Barangay Luz in Cebu City who were among the first who tested positive are still at the barangay isolation center (BIC) 40 days after they were put in isolation". You may also have been following the stories about the thousands of returning OFWs put in a 14 day quarantine in Manila who 30+ days later were still in isolation. Took President Du to demand their release to go home and even then he got push back bcuz some mayors didn't want them so they could not get papers. I do not want to be traveling in the Philippines until the dust settles. What a revolting development this has turned into.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2454705]
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Until you make the Journey (and you may be the first ISG guy to try it) you will not know.

.....[/QUOTE]And even once you make the journey you will only know that travel was possible that day and with that particular combination of people manning the check points.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2454698]I also read that at least within Manila there will not be travel from once GCQ city to another, except for work.

I want to bring a regular from Manila to Cebu and we will hunker down and ride out the second wave but am not fully convinced that inter island travel will be possible.

My landlords wife is in Negros and cannot get back to Cebu. He thinks that there might be a "private ferry" that can bring her over as the inter-island ferries not officially running.[/QUOTE]Another example to show the confusion KG and others.

A good friend got stuck in Cebu / Toledo mid March when her ferry to Leyte was cancelled even though was ordered to sail, SO her and 40 others got stuck. After much angst, paperwork etc they were allowed to leave on a ferry yesterday (29 May!) but. Needed extra paperwork to travel to the port! All had twice been tested negative for COVID19, all had 3 sets of documents as demanded buy the LGU (local government unit).

Now in Leyte they have 21 days quarantine of which 14 is in an hotel they pay for. If can't afford they are all poked into small school room, no air no food etc. Only family an bring etc.

As a tourist if you can get a visa (and that is not yet clear) why would anyone want to go there when nothing is clear. Lots of dreamers on the board at the moment. Most mongers I know have written off the Philippines this year as no one cane be sure the place is safe. It is doing a good jib with limited resources but in some areas it is unclear if the cases are decreasing.

It is not flying from GCQ to GCQ it is can you enter the country and get a tourist visa or not without going through what the locals must go through? I doubt it unless a resident who can self isolate at home.

KG. As for the landlords wife. This is being arranged all over the place but can cost a lot and see above for the issue my friend faced. Messy is a nice way to describe it.

I previously visited the Philippines several times, but my daughter convinced me to travel to Vietnam with her for a vacation. I was reluctant due to lack of English and other concerns but she convinced me. It totally turned my thoughts around about travel in the Philippines. I have not returned to the Philippines since. Since then my mongering and dating site visits have been restricted to Vietnam and to a lesser extent Cambodia. I was going to return to Vietnam in February, but cancelled my plans due to the Corona Virus. In hindsight I wish I had gone. Unlike the Philippines, Vietnam immediately totally locked down the country and cities tight and started contract tracing with amazing results. This resulted resulted in only about 350 virus cases, no deaths, and no new transmission infections for over a month. I could stayed there for six months and felt totally safe. Yes they are a Communist totalitarian country, but their resolve to consistently hunt out the virus and not allow exceptions has been perfect in my mind.

When Vietnam opens their boarders again, I hope to be on the first plane back. Unfortunately, their precautions will likely limit my ability to travel to either Vietnam or Cambodia due to my Canadian government's inability to control of the spread of the virus here at home. The Vietnamese web sites state Vietnam will not allow incoming international travelers to enter until the receiving country shows no new infections for thirty days so I think it will be a long time before North Americans to be welcomed without a period of quarantine. This is further complicated by having to connect through Taipei, or Seoul who may or may not be accepting connecting international travelers. In the mean time, Red Kilt who I have been in contact with from time to time, is enjoying his time in isolation mongering in Cambodia trouble free .

In reading about the inconsistent methods of how various mayors and leaders are dealing with the virus and travel, the Philippines would be far down the list of places for me to feel safe to travel to. That plus in Vietnam the food is better, the money goes further, and the ladies are just as lovely. But if your a dating site guy like me there is more leg work involved to get them to your room.

Just my thoughts.

Nut.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2454808].....
It is not flying from GCQ to GCQ it is can you enter the country and get a tourist visa or not without going through what the locals must go through? I doubt it unless a resident who can self isolate at home.

KG. As for the landlords wife. This is being arranged all over the place but can cost a lot and see above for the issue my friend faced. Messy is a nice way to describe it.[/QUOTE]As far as I know the borders are still closed to incoming travelers with limited exceptions. That is returning citizens, permanent residents, spouses and dependents and diplomats. SRRV is NOT considered a permanent resident so if you have an SRRV and are out of the country you cannot return.

Provincial travel is still limited and will still be limited under GCQ. You need a reason to travel or fly inter island. That would have to be work, medical or other essential reason.

Unfortunately the local governments are, out of fear, imposing their own rules on lots of things. I am on another board, general living not mongering, and people there are reporting some pretty strict and changing travel rules. For example they were only allowed to leave home every 3 days, now changed to once a week, Some have day of travel restriction. In one case they can leave M-W-F but the next banguay with the grocery stores and medical facilities only allows people in on T-T-S.

To be blunt, implementation and enforcement of the quarantine, all levels, is a confusing mess of local rules and local interpretation of the national rules.

By "private ferry" I meant a local fisherman in the middle of the night landing on the beaches in isolated places, not a regular charter going from one port to another at high noon.

The PRA heavily requested that the ban on SRRV holders be lifted but to no avail. They promote that visa so hard and now it is nothing more than a tourist visa where you have to put a big deposit in one of their banks. Granted you don't have to deal with the BI every 59 days and it is slightly cheaper than paying for extensions but it will take a long time for it to be financially advantageous. Many SRRV holders are considering cancelling their visa once this crap is over. The SRRV holders that are stranded out of country should be really pissed. If I had it to do over I would not have gotten an SRRV. It is now basically a pretty stamp in your passport.

The quarantine rules are just insane. With the locals given the authority to implement their own restrictions it is impossible to know what is allowed / needed / required. On an upper note at least the Filipinos aren't burning down cities and looting everywhere in a demand for justice. So crazy as it may be being stuck here isn't so bad.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2454917]As far as I know the borders are still closed to incoming travelers with limited exceptions. That is returning citizens, permanent residents, spouses and dependents and diplomats. SRRV is NOT considered a permanent resident so if you have an SRRV and are out of the country you cannot return.

Provincial travel is still limited and will still be limited under GCQ. You need a reason to travel or fly inter island. That would have to be work, medical or other essential reason.

Unfortunately the local governments are, out of fear, imposing their own rules on lots of things. I am on another board, general living not mongering, and people there are reporting some pretty strict and changing travel rules. For example they were only allowed to leave home every 3 days, now changed to once a week, Some have day of travel restriction. In one case they can leave M-W-F but the next banguay with the grocery stores and medical facilities only allows people in on T-T-S.

To be blunt, implementation and enforcement of the quarantine, all levels, is a confusing mess of local rules and local interpretation of the national rules.

By "private ferry" I meant a local fisherman in the middle of the night landing on the beaches in isolated places, not a regular charter going from one port to another at high noon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2454550]
So I'm looking for a 4 to 5 nights hotel / condo / airbnb accomodation.[/QUOTE]I don't know about airbnb or condos for rent.

But today I came along Ayala Triangle and the Peninsular hotel. The hotel was still completely dead and no signs of any activity. No way that it'll open any time soon.

Oh well, I had to cancel my Manila plans because Cebu City change from suppose to be MECQ to GCQ, so since both Manila and Cebu City have Canadian embassy / consulate and both are in GCQ starting today, I rather go to Cebu City since is closer to Negros where I am right now.

I know that there has been alot of stories that you guys also mention here about people getting stuck someplace, but all those stories come during ECQ, I will never travel to another city and even worse to another province during ECQ.

I will only travel because is GCQ, and because they will open the Canadian embassy / consulate on June 1st, and because I have something important to do there, unless of course the mayor of Cebu City change the guidelines which is exactly what he did today.

So from this new guidelines I will only be able to travel to Cebu City by Section 15 CV: "Persons going to the airport for travel abroad. ".

Well, I'm hoping it can apply to me, I will need to find out in the terminal with the CERES buses (maybe ask the soldiers there), that my flight going to Canada is in July from Cebu City (I have proof, I have my airplane ticket already), so I'm going there a month in advance to wait for my flight there. I'm hoping they might let me. The only other option will be to wait until June 15, when they will hopefully change the guidelines and they will allow province traveling. If everything goes to plan they should change from GCQ to MGCQ which should hopefully allow provincial traveling.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2454964]The PRA heavily requested that the ban on SRRV holders be lifted but to no avail. They promote that visa so hard and now it is nothing more than a tourist visa where you have to put a big deposit in one of their banks. .....[/QUOTE]I am still glad that I have my SRRV. It made my claim of being a non resident of Canada for tax purposes bullet proof. In 3 years here I have saved about 6 to 8 times my deposit in Canadian taxes. Even on my Canadian sourced income, I am paying less tax than I would have as a Canadian resident. (Only about $CDN 100 but that still pays for a honey for a night or two.).

I get 1% interest on my deposit less 30% for Philippine taxes so effectively 0. 7% interest. HSBC pays zero interest on my USD account.

There are other reasons than Philippine based ones for having an SRRV, but without the Canadian tax implications it really is just a 3 year easily renewable tourist visa.

I Don't Know. A report pre-Covid.

After 5 months hard slog in the consultancy caper, and no poontang (it was time to shout myself.

Simple plan. A few days in MTown, early December 19, cozied up in a comfy hotel, chubbies at the ready and blow load! Having weaned myself off the alco sauce over 2 years, I was going to forego the Manila bar scene and concentrate solely on internet see* hunt. I actually thought it might be some blessing to NOTstep one foot out of my bayside 5 star. I started pipelining 10 days out, and had lined up the delightfully chunky Maribeth, 26 yrs, for adventure #1. She presented very well online; dressed as an office professional, good attention to an understated make-up routine, and was a little coy, but also a little suggestive, so she had my chain.

Met her for coffee and cake in the foyer, and soon established we were Go! On the way up in the lift she grabbed my cock and balls and cracked me a huge grin. O! Coy! Haha I made a note to later coat her perfect pearly whites with man tube toothpaste. Undressed, I saw Bush through her flimsy white knickers, and in a flash I was munching on salty bearded clam and rogering her back passage knuckle-deep with my middle finger. We reverted to missionary and I fucked her hard and deep as she lay legs splayed wide open and meaty thighs cushioning my thrusts. I came with an almighty roar, and she expertly tweaked my nipples hard on the vinegar stroke. I pumped her until I was completely drained and my cods were about half the size they had been, swollen with anticipation as they were, when I had stepped off the plane. It was a great way to throw off the celibacy of the last 5 months. Of course, she was a highly proficient working girl, as she demonstrated a coupla hours later with a fine display of below-the-belt mouth and tongue work, going the full suck and swallow in the jacuzzi. Thank You, Manila! Day One, done and dusted.

It surprises me that at 62 and with 5 months of yakka behind me and no sex, as soon as I had put one away, I got hornier and hornier. I could root anything, and the whole rest of that trip my libido stirred itself up, and I looked at each and every woman as a potential fuck.

Anyways, I slept like a Trojan and woke with a raging hard on. It is fair to say Maribeth rose to the occasion. With woody sprung, I rolled on top and started on the job. I was going to give it her, and give it hard. Maribeth responded in kind, she met every pump with physical vigour and we were soon bonking like crazy all over the bed. She was some gal. I could feel a huge cum building, and pulled out and unloaded all over her quivering chubby brown belly and big tits. Ah, the very definition of morning glory. We were getting on fine. The rest of the day was GFE, and Maribeth took me to Mall of Asia where we had a real tasty adobo. I was able to explain my project to her and she didn't hesitate to call up her 19 yr old cousin Susie who met us that evening at the hotel. We are talking young, dark and CHUBBY, much to my taste, but also kinda dumb and non-communicative. Cut short, I felt like I was fucking a cup of Aeroplane jelly and she just lay there in unresponsive starfish mode. I pulled out, feeling pissed off and told Maribeth we needed to show her how it was done. MB presented herself doggy and I had another feast at the hairy why. Fucking Maribeth doggy was very good and she twerked like a trooper, then, feeling my rising dander, she barked some Tagalog and Susie jumped over, lay her cheek on MB's ample brown buttock, opened her mouth wide and batted her eyelids at me, aaw, how romantic. Hehe. I obliged, pulling out and hosing my cum shot in to Susie's moist and willing suck hole. She then sat up, opened her gob and let cum and saliva drip out and down her fat norks and bulging coffee-coloured belly, looking me directly in the eye the while. Not a bad piece of porn there I had to admit. Susie was a quick study and came across with a more animated fuck later. We laid some good pipe while I sucked MB's lovely boobies. Day two, cum and gone.

FYI, on travel bookings.

From Forbes.

21,619 views Apr 28,2020, 05:28 pm EDT.

Beware Airlines Selling Tickets For Flights That Will Never Take Off.

Tamara ThiessenContributor.

Travel.

If you happen to be a member of the currently favourite tribe to beat up and persecute, here is what someone forwarded to me.

Chinese students stuck in the US suspect airlines of cash grab as tickets advertised 'for flights that will never take off'.

Many Chinese students in the US looking to return home amid Covid-19 are stuck in a loop of bookings, cancellations and battles to get refunds.

A United Airlines flight attendant says he has seen flights available for booking that were not included on flight schedules and had no crew assigned.

Topic Coronavirus pandemic.

Tamara Thiessen.

Tamara Thiessen.

Published: 5:00 am, 21 May, 2020.

Updated: 6:53 am, 21 May, 2020.

Why you can trust SCMP.

United had always been bad on disappearing flights even before this year. I had fallen into those traps before. The silver tongued Numoz really down plays any problems. Like recently packed planes and passengers not wearing masks on flights. It is their culture.

I feel sorry for those kids. Here is the full article from SCMP.

Shuo Fang is sitting nervously in his student accommodation in Davis in the US state of California, waiting to see if he will be able to board his flight to Shanghai, China, on May 26.

The 22-year-old university student has bought several tickets in recent months in the scramble to flee the coronavirus pandemic.

In the US for the relative safety of home. Every one of those flights, bar the upcoming one – so far – has been cancelled, he says.

Like many other Chinese students in the US, Shuo has faced an uphill battle with airlines to get a refund on those fares.

Studying statistics at the University of California, Davis, Shuo is one of many Chinese students in the US who have been stuck in a loop of bookings and flight cancellations.

Some have bought nine airline tickets or more, he says, and they feel that the withheld refunds are being used in a deliberate cash grab to keep airlines afloat. Some US carriers continue to sell tickets for routes that have been closed during April and May because of China's travel bans and flight restrictions.

Shuo says many of his student friends have been running around in circles since April trying to buy flights, then getting refunds. "I know airlines are not flying right now, but they are selling tickets, so you just have to bet on it," he says. "What choice do we have?

There were an estimated 370,000 Chinese students in the US in the 2018-19 academic year, according to the latest figures available from the Institute of International Education, though the number has fallen in the current academic year.

Many have rushed to escape the Covid-19 situation in the US, where more than 93,000 related deaths have now been recorded.

"You actually give up hope of ever getting the refunds. It's not fair, because the United Airlines website keeps saying the refund request is 'unprocessed' Shuo says.

"Before I got a refund I had no choice but to go ahead and buy another ticket. What are you meant to do? Your flight has again been cancelled, you want to get home. Many people are in the same boat. ".

"I have now been refunded for three flights, but only after waiting four to six weeks. And being left up in the air on the status of my refunds. The airline never until this day contacted me about the cancellations. ".

A United Airlines.

Flight attendant based in San Francisco, who requests anonymity because he is not authorised to speak to the media, says he has seen airlines selling tickets "for flights that will never take off" since the onset of lockdowns in US amid the outbreak.

"I think it's wrongdoing on the airline's part," he says by phone. "I feel terrible for travellers who got stuck overseas and have to pay for multiple tickets wishing one of them actually works. It's not just United Airlines who is guilty of this; Delta, American are the same.

"This whole story started after United suspended flights to China, initially until April 24. A friend contacted me about his flight to Shanghai for May 19, a ticket he bought early in April. He was concerned his flight would be cancelled and that he wouldn't be able to get a cash refund to book and pay for another flight.

"After checking the status, I could see from the flight schedule the company had uploaded for crew that there were no China flights on that date.

"Then I noticed that no pilots or flight attendants were assigned to that trip at all. As a matter of fact, the flight wasn't even included on the May flight plan from the outset."

The flight attendant says that staff memos and flight schedules shared with crew members point to discrepancies between routes offered to the public and those United actually plans to operate.

"At that point I checked our internal booking system, and was shocked to see the May 19 flight SFO to PVG San Francisco to Shanghai still there. That means travellers could still book that flight, even though it was not included in staff flight schedules."

It gives the impression United has been intentionally selling seats on "phantom flights" – with planes that are not planned to ever take off, he says. "On May 2, for example, you could still book June flights from SFO to PVG even though that is not on our internal flight plan.

"Even though our CEO, Oscar Munoz who this week steps aside to become executive chairman, has told us in a memo we will be down 90 per cent on scheduled flights in June, as for May, somehow you can still buy tickets to Shanghai, Singapore, London, Beijing. Yet in our bid packets a computer program for crew scheduling for May, the only two routes operating from our San Fran hub are to Tokyo Narita and Sydney."

United's website is selling tickets for the San Francisco-Shanghai route every day from May 29. United told employees in a memo in early May it would "pencil in four China routes in the June schedule".

Those routes include San Francisco to Beijing, Chengdu and Shanghai Pudong, and Newark to Shanghai, with some tickets selling for US $3,200 one way. "We continue to work out the feasibility of restarting passenger service to China," the memo says.

Yet since March 29, China's Civil Aviation Administration has limited operations to one passenger flight per week.

Into China from any specific country.

United Airlines has yet to respond to a request for comment on these matters, more than a week after email inquiries were sent by the Post.

"For United, as with other airlines currently offering flights to places that are in lockdown, maybe they are betting on the lockdown being over before the plane takes off," says the United flight attendant. "Airlines are therefore guaranteed to have passengers ready to board as soon as the lockdown is lifted."

If lockdowns aren't lifted in time, he says, flights will just be cancelled, with any withheld refunds providing a money bank to cash-strapped airlines.

"Meanwhile they still have their much needed cash revenue, and technically, no regulations can prohibit them doing so for as long as they have those flight landing slots and route licences to operate.

"So it's just a win-win situation for airlines. But I do think they should be more transparent and tell passengers those flight schedules may change due to Covid-19. There are no such warnings when you book. The bottom line is, most people think if airlines are selling the tickets, the plane will take off, but in reality there are some flights here that are just never going to take off."

The United crew member hopes travellers will be able to sue airlines for "misrepresenting, and for damage caused by knowingly selling flights that will be cancelled".

For his part, statistics student Shuo is not confident of finally boarding that plane home this month.

"I heard already that maybe United will not open that route until after May," he says. "I don't know if the flight will actually take off, but I must try. I am aware of the airline situation, I know they are not flying right now. Maybe some routes will reopen. But we don't want to give up. So we just pay for the future. ".

Three days after talking to the Post, Shuo got in contact to say his May 26 flight had also been cancelled. Did the airline tell him? "No, I checked on their website myself. Maybe the next flight is May 28."

Maybe, but Shuo hasn't yet plucked up the courage to rebook.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2450809]YMMV. I find different. Even in US. In the good old days, AMEX was fantastic. Worldwide. But nowadays, they are the pretty

much same as their competitors. Maybe just a little better.

My caution is don't prepay if you can or use a credit card guarantee that you might need to spend time resolving.

Even on cards with built in insurance, it will take time and money to get your money back if you ever do. With Airplane tickets are are stuck. You need to pay upfront. If the airline cancels your flight, you might be moved to a different flight automatically. But getting cash back even in the best of times is time consuming and expensive.

YMMV. I don't care what you do. I am just sharing my experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bushes;2455797]FYI, on travel bookings.

From Forbes.

21,619 views Apr 28,2020, 05:28 pm EDT.

Beware Airlines Selling Tickets For Flights That Will Never Take Off.[/QUOTE]I've been bombarded with offers from Agoda to prebook heavily discounted rooms in cities that I regularly visit.

It's always pay up front, non refundable and use anytime in the next 18 months when travel bans are lifted. Generally 70 to 80% discounts.

I don't even know if half of these hotels will still be around next week, let alone next year. I was fortunate to have all my cancelled rooms and flights refunded when the virus shattered my plans but I'm not about to try my luck a second time.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2455873]I've been bombarded with offers from Agoda to prebook heavily discounted rooms in cities that I regularly visit.

It's always pay up front, non refundable and use anytime in the next 18 months when travel bans are lifted. Generally 70 to 80% discounts.

....[/QUOTE]I am not going to book or even plan any travel until I have a reasonable belief that I will be able to make my trip uninterrupted.

Next morning, I sent them on their way. I was impatient for some variety and paid them out. I was a tad sorry about Maribeth, but I was fair dinkum see* hungry and wanted to play field. Morning by the pool, decent brunch, a snooze and I would trawl the net and see what happened. I was horny going down to the pool, because I had picked up a grand girl poolside there on a previous trip, but not today. That arvo on DIA I came across Celine, 38 yrs. Great pic online. Lovely smooth brown long-ish face, hair up and gorgeous ruby red rouged lips, nice plump kissable lips too. I fancied them on the job downstairs, so chatted her up. After a while mucking around, she works out I am serious and can't quite believe I have invited over to my hotel that day. She tells me she is just a poor washer woman, no education and was I sure I wanted to meet? Get your dark little twat over here! I said. Down in the foyer, she is sitting there, dark-skinned and lips redder than red, in a faded pink dress, really tight across a set of massive bazookas. A cheap pair of crummy shoes hiding hard feet. Def poor, alright. Upstairs, disrobed, her huge tits hang down like a pair of eggplants and I suck on her almost black nipples as she gives me a handjob. My seed pods are a-tingle as we start fucking every which way, for quite a long time and finally she cowgirls me, slow and steady, with one arm back ever so lightly tickling my balls. I methodically humped and leaked a load up into her. Hmmm, not bad. Kind of strange. Celine is very quiet. We get a second one off later in the shower, she is doubled-over and I can really hit her GSpot, and finger fuck her rubbery a- hole. We both cum at about the same time, and she puts on a good show of sighing and gasping. Well done. I am finished for the day, though, and pack Celine off late in the night after she devoured a sizeable room service steak. She also fessed up to being 43, and with a kid and grand kid! Day 3, well into the spree.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2455873]I've been bombarded with offers from Agoda to prebook heavily discounted rooms in cities that I regularly visit.

It's always pay up front, non refundable and use anytime in the next 18 months when travel bans are lifted. Generally 70 to 80% discounts.

I don't even know if half of these hotels will still be around next week, let alone next year. I was fortunate to have all my cancelled rooms and flights refunded when the virus shattered my plans but I'm not about to try my luck a second time.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]It is good you have some sense. I heard some hotels asking for deposit via credit card and pay at hotel. Problem is deposit is for full stay and actually runs through your statement. Reversal, if it ever comes, is at end of hotel stay. In plain English, you pay double for the length of your stay.

The Forbes article again beats up on "foreign" companies while not looking at US domestic transgressions. The Chinese students have great credit limits on their credit cards. If the max price is USD3,000 and he buys 10 tickets, that is USD30,000 max on his credit card for 2 months. Multiply that by a wide body heat, 300, by number of flights at day to Asian destinations. Free money for United regardless of what consumer protection laws say. It is bad to be part of that tribe.

Pool, brunch, snooze, net, nut. Same routine winkles out Josefa, 34 yr old 'massage therapist.' OK, on with the pro show haha. She is crash hot keen to come over. Small and compact, less chubby than I like and a small set of pert tits. Hard bodied, though, in good nick, very good English compared to any of the earlier lasses. Likes the gym, she says. Yeah, I bet. Pump classes. Her main distinguishing feature was a set of little angel wings tattooed on her shoulder blades. Hmmmm, didn't know what to think about that. Not to worry, soon had her on reverse cowgirl after she had gone down on me for about half an hour. Jo worked her twat well, like an internal massage machine. I creamed her muscly love tunnel, and she then flipped me over and gave me a solid massage alright. After, she lit up a ciggie and plonked down to watch TV. What the hell? I bided my time, and then offered her prime erect Aussie sausage roll. She twigged immediately and delivered a very very good BBBJ, t-bag, rim job, fist pump and swallow. Got dressed, put her hand out for cash, and skipped out of the room. Day 4, could I want more?

Well, my break was over. I used DIA all the way and realised I had played quite the generation game; 19,26, 34, 43. Full satisfaction from a host of lbfms. Two good-sized chubbies and some lovely boobs among them. Blew a ton of cum load. Later that week I was back on the terrace up on the Qld Shine coast and a long view down the beach. Now, how would it be to have Maribeth here, butt-naked, oiled up and stropping mulligan to vinegar stroke as I gurgled down a mineral? I have texted her a couple of times. No answer.

All that was 6 months ago and look where we are now. When next can I expect to ride in one of those old white taxis out of Aquino Airport and straight into some warm and welcoming pinay pudenda? Oh, the loss.

Hey guys,

Want to visit Manila but want to know what are the new rules with regards to foreigner arriving at the airport? Please need some advice?

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2456385]
All that was 6 months ago and look where we are now. When next can I expect to ride in one of those old white taxis out of Aquino Airport and straight into some warm and welcoming pinay pudenda? Oh, the loss.[/QUOTE]Nice memories. If you are prepared to skip the taxi and the airport then can I suggest you look for a local on the sunshine coast. Most people seem to think that the local pickup game is off limits at the moment.

At least Filfipina in Brisbane still seem to be horny. If you have time, share some posts over in the Brisbane forum.

I cannot see us sportsmen getting from BNE to MNL until 2021.

PP.

[QUOTE=Bato56;2458940]Hey guys,

Want to visit Manila but want to know what are the new rules with regards to foreigner arriving at the airport? Please need some advice?[/QUOTE]Have you tried a Google search?

[QUOTE=Bato56;2458940]Hey guys,

Want to visit Manila but want to know what are the new rules with regards to foreigner arriving at the airport? Please need some advice?[/QUOTE]Hi Bato56. Great to see you posting again. From your posting history you have been a forum member since Nov 2017. So far all four of your posts have been questions. How about a FR of your previous trips? You must have some great stories if you are so keen to risk covid and go back. Please share.

The latest rules for entry have already been posted so please RTFF.

PP.

[QUOTE=Bato56;2458940]Hey guys,

Want to visit Manila but want to know what are the new rules with regards to foreigner arriving at the airport? Please need some advice?[/QUOTE]You can read the local news online for that information. Simple really and as others said RTFF or Google. Won't take long.

And as you visited in 2017 can't dee the FR as PP said so hopefully that is in draft on the laptop as be good to read it.

[QUOTE=Bato56;2458940]Hey guys,

Want to visit Manila but want to know what are the new rules with regards to foreigner arriving at the airport? Please need some advice?[/QUOTE]Read my post on the PH General Information thread.

Only OFWs and people with 13 A permanent visas are being allowed entry.

OFWs get priority over everyone else.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2459107]Read my post on the PH General Information thread.

Only OFWs and people with 13 A permanent visas are being allowed entry.

OFWs get priority over everyone else.[/QUOTE]RK.

He won't he just asks questions. Now her ahs asked 5 in 3 years LOL.

What are the prices in Manila now? I was there in October and I'm going to come back after the lock in is over. I've been texting some women from Cupid and there so many beautiful girls that want to meet me far more than normal so I was thinking the prices of the girls are less now. I usually go for the hot students who need tuition and shop girls that need extra cash instead of the pros. Are prices lower now that the economy is fucked?

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2459297]What are the prices in Manila now? I was there in October and I'm going to come back after the lock in is over. I've been texting some women from Cupid and there so many beautiful girls that want to meet me far more than normal so I was thinking the prices of the girls are less now. I usually go for the hot students who need tuition and shop girls that need extra cash instead of the pros. Are prices lower now that the economy is fucked?[/QUOTE]Some are less. Some are more. It depends.

For more accurate pricing best to ask the girl you are texting. She might not be aware of the Puki Poon Price index.

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2459297]What are the prices in Manila now? I was there in October and I'm going to come back after the lock in is over. I've been texting some women from Cupid and there so many beautiful girls that want to meet me far more than normal so I was thinking the prices of the girls are less now. I usually go for the hot students who need tuition and shop girls that need extra cash instead of the pros. Are prices lower now that the economy is fucked?[/QUOTE]Asian logic is that prices double when the economy is fucked.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2459332]
For more accurate pricing best to ask the girl you are texting. She might not be aware of the Puki Poon Price index.[/QUOTE]Never, not once, not ever, never 😁 ask a girl how much online before you are even in country or have met. The have heard all the 'coming next month' promises a million times before and place zero credability on them. Do the research yourself and then tell her what you want and how much you pay when you are there.

Use online to collect numbers but not to have negotiations. Here how it plays out:

1/ Him Online: "How much, if I save up my pocket money so I can afford the trip, if I can get time off work, if the flights start up again, if I decide to stay near you, if I don't go to Thailand, if you are not with another guy and if I actually decide to go in 9 months time?

Her: 8000 peso (if she actually shows up).

2/ Him in Town: "I'm in Greenbelt. You up for 1500 for a couple of hours fun?

Her: "Sure. What time?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2459445]Never, not once, not ever, never 😁 ask a girl how much online before you are even in country. [/QUOTE]Plus You are treating her like a Hooker when she considers herself a girl who is getting a little bit of help from a guy she went on a date with or meeting up for some mutual fun.

Hello. I am interested in visiting Cebu for the beach. I'm curious if Cebu has a meat market. It seems a decent size city and quite famous, but I don't see a dedicated forum here for it. Does anyone know? Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2459568]Hello. I am interested in visiting Cebu for the beach. I'm curious if Cebu has a meat market. It seems a decent size city and quite famous, but I don't see a dedicated forum here for it. Does anyone know? Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]There is a link towards the bottom on the main phils page, it has its own separate page for some reason. Here's the link if it works.

[URL]http://internationalsexguide.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?773-The-Philippines-Cebu[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2459539]Plus You are treating her like a Hooker when she considers herself a girl who is getting a little bit of help from a guy she went on a date with or meeting up for some mutual fun.[/QUOTE]A valid point. If she hasn't introduced commercializing the meeting then just play the game, let her think she is a good girl and work with that.

Him: What are you looking for here? I'm just looking for some casual fun.

Her: Oh no, I'd never do that. I'm a princess, as pure as driven snow. I'm looking for a nice guy and a committed, long term relationship.

Him: Great! Are you open to something not quite as serious until you find that guy?

Her: Sure. WhatsApp me on +63 SUCKUDRY.

Enjoy. G.

Haha, so exactly the right dialog! Have you been author for theather?

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2459568]Hello. I am interested in visiting Cebu for the beach. I'm curious if Cebu has a meat market. It seems a decent size city and quite famous, but I don't see a dedicated forum here for it. Does anyone know? Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Some genius in the past thought Cebu deserved its own "country" thread, so go to the Asian section and it's listed under there.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2459570]There is a link towards the bottom on the main phils page, it has its own separate page for some reason. Here's the link if it works.

[URL]http://internationalsexguide.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?773-The-Philippines-Cebu[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you! Happy mongering！.

Thank you Paul.

A dalliance with a Filipino in Brizzo could be quite the go.

I'll check Brisbane forum and let you know.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2459029]Nice memories. If you are prepared to skip the taxi and the airport then can I suggest you look for a local on the sunshine coast. Most people seem to think that the local pickup game is off limits at the moment.

At least Filfipina in Brisbane still seem to be horny. If you have time, share some posts over in the Brisbane forum.

I cannot see us sportsmen getting from BNE to MNL until 2021.

PP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2459568]Hello. I am interested in visiting Cebu for the beach. I'm curious if Cebu has a meat market. It seems a decent size city and quite famous, but I don't see a dedicated forum here for it. Does anyone know? Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]As has been said before many times Cebu is well known as a date and fuck type of meat. Open an account on [URL]dateinasia.com[/URL]. Start chatting with girls who list as Cebu city location. Go straight to the point generally saying you are looking for fun and company. If she agrees Take the conversation to Skype, messenger, viber, WhatsApp etc. Chat cam to cam and make sure you like her because photo in DIA is most often photoshopped. Discuss everything including compensation and have fun.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2461160]As has been said before many times Cebu is well known as a date and fuck type of meat. Open an account on [URL]dateinasia.com[/URL]. Start chatting with girls who list as Cebu city location. Go straight to the point generally saying you are looking for fun and company. If she agrees Take the conversation to Skype, messenger, viber, WhatsApp etc. Chat cam to cam and make sure you like her because photo in DIA is most often photoshopped. Discuss everything including compensation and have fun.[/QUOTE]All very true but the OP should note that if the girls list their location as Cebu, check if this is Cebu City or Cebu Province. If she is in Cebu Province, she could easily be several hours away from Cebu City.

Don't rule these girls out though as many are very happy to bus in or the the OP could go spend a few days at the much better beaches in Bohol or the Visayas.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2461160]As has been said before many times Cebu is well known as a date and fuck type of meat. Open an account on [URL]dateinasia.com[/URL]. Start chatting with girls who list as Cebu city location. Go straight to the point generally saying you are looking for fun and company. If she agrees Take the conversation to Skype, messenger, viber, WhatsApp etc. Chat cam to cam and make sure you like her because photo in DIA is most often photoshopped. Discuss everything including compensation and have fun.[/QUOTE]I'd take it a little further. Do not just settle for the face on skype or other video chat, ask to see her body as well. I've been burnt in the past settling just for video chat, met the girl who had a nice face but did not have a good enough body.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2459444]Asian logic is that prices double when the economy is fucked.[/QUOTE]That's true in some South Asia markets. Not really in East Asia.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2462004]That's true in some South Asia markets. Not really in East Asia.[/QUOTE]Here's a sample of 1.

I went for my regular cup of coffee in a nearby coffee shop in Ortigas today.

I was the only person in the shop.

Regular latte: 175 php.

Choc chip cookie 85 php.

I said "WTF!! You have increased the prices by 30%.

Shop assistant: Yes sir. Corona virus sir. No customers.

I almost said "Cancel the order; this is ridiculous", but I paid and stayed. They just lost me as a customer. What's the logic in such a move? (it's a rhetorical question. Please don't respond).

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462007]Here's a sample of 1.

I went for my regular cup of coffee in a nearby coffee shop in Ortigas today.

I was the only person in the shop.

Regular latte: 175 php.

Choc chip cookie 85 php.

I said "WTF!! You have increased the prices by 30%.

Shop assistant: Yes sir. Corona virus sir. No customers..[/QUOTE]Cebu real estate agent (with very nice legs and figure I may add!) called me said best buy the condo now as we increase prices next month.

I asked "how many have you sold in last 6 months".

She replied "none sir".

I asked " so why increase prices as you sold none and will have less chance if you increase prices, why not drop prices".

Her reply " because this is policy sir".

I never did come back despite me wanting to enjoy her other skills LOL.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462007]I said "WTF!! You have increased the prices by 30%.

Shop assistant: Yes sir. Corona virus sir. No customers.

I almost said "Cancel the order; this is ridiculous", but I paid and stayed. They just lost me as a customer. What's the logic in such a move? (it's a rhetorical question. Please don't respond).[/QUOTE]Spare a thought for her family as they are truly fcked. There are very hard times ahead for those for whom money is an issue.

They are trying to make back the money the "lost" from being closed for 3 months!

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462007]Here's a sample of 1.

I went for my regular cup of coffee in a nearby coffee shop in Ortigas today.

I was the only person in the shop.

Regular latte: 175 php.

Choc chip cookie 85 php.

I said "WTF!! You have increased the prices by 30%.

Shop assistant: Yes sir. Corona virus sir. No customers.

I almost said "Cancel the order; this is ridiculous", but I paid and stayed. They just lost me as a customer. What's the logic in such a move? (it's a rhetorical question. Please don't respond).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2462048]They are trying to make back the money the "lost" from being closed for 3 months![/QUOTE]A few places here in USA have raised their prices too. It is to try and cover the increased cost of a limited and restricted operation. No one has really complained about it. I for one understand it.

Be happy some are still opening up. Predictions are half of the businesses will be closing up or bankrupting soon.

Perhaps some opportunistic western can pick up a place cheap and charge 30% less?

If your going to lose money you don't open up. My point is that you don't raise prices because you have less customers. Raising prices usually leads to guess what? Even less customers. Obviously there's is some optimal price that maximizes your profit. Basic economics. Based on the post I replied to I'm going to assume he just lost a customer.

I'm not thankful for coffee shops staying open at higher prices.

You can be thankful all you want.

I will be thankful when a coffee shop opens up and gives me coffee for free. They will have all my thanks.

Until then I will go to a coffee shop and see the prices and if it's too expensive I will leave. It's a business transaction. These business aren't my friends.


[QUOTE=Dg8787;2462055]A few places here in USA have raised their prices too. It is to try and cover the increased cost of a limited and restricted operation. No one has really complained about it. I for one understand it.

Be happy some are still opening up. Predictions are half of the businesses will be closing up or bankrupting soon.

Perhaps some opportunistic western can pick up a place cheap and charge 30% less?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2462091]If your going to lose money you don't open up. My point is that you don't raise prices because you have less customers. Raising prices usually leads to guess what? Even less customers. Obviously there's is some optimal price that maximizes your profit. Basic economics. Based on the post I replied to I'm going to assume he just lost a customer.

I'm not thankful for coffee shops staying open at higher prices.

You can be thankful all you want.

I will be thankful when a coffee shop opens up and gives me coffee for free. They will have all my thanks.

Until then I will go to a coffee shop and see the prices and if it's too expensive I will leave. It's a business transaction. These business aren't my friends.[/QUOTE]I will defer to your vast business education and experience.

Meanwhile I will be thankful and enjoying my morning coffee even at 30% more.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2462021]Spare a thought for her family as they are truly fcked. There are very hard times ahead for those for whom money is an issue.[/QUOTE]Nothing to do with the shop assistant Pedro. He is doing what management wants (in this case, it's Jollibee who now own Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf.).

You and some others missed the point I was making about the standard Asian business model.

If less people visit your business, you increase the prices to attract them back. Super logic.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462213]Nothing to do with the shop assistant Pedro. He is doing what management wants (in this case, it's Jollibee who now own Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf.).

You and some others missed the point I was making about the standard Asian business model.

If less people visit your business, you increase the prices to attract them back. Super logic.[/QUOTE]SOP in Phils. Just look at the Burgos bars in Makati. Fewer dudes over the years has resulted in higher drink prices and higher EWR prices, reducing the number of drinks sold and EWR's, resulting in even fewer dudes walking thru the doors.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2462258]SOP in Phils. Just look at the Burgos bars in Makati. Fewer dudes over the years has resulted in higher drink prices and higher EWR prices, reducing the number of drinks sold and EWR's, resulting in even fewer dudes walking thru the doors.[/QUOTE]Which begs the question: is there something else going on, some other revenue stream that these bars are tapped into, ie is the bar's main business to sell drinks and barfine girls OR to act as a front for these other operations? I don't think the bar owners and managers are stupid, so there most likely must be an explanation for their otherwise irrational economic behavior. Or not. LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2462280]Which begs the question: is there something else going on, some other revenue stream that these bars are tapped into, ie is the bar's main business to sell drinks and barfine girls OR to act as a front for these other operations? I don't think the bar owners and managers are stupid, so there most likely must be an explanation for their otherwise irrational economic behavior. Or not. LOL.[/QUOTE]NB: Clear your inbox.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2462299]NB: Clear your inbox.[/QUOTE]Box is cleared. It is always good to hear from you.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2462098]I will defer to your vast business education and experience.

Meanwhile I will be thankful and enjoying my morning coffee even at 30% more.[/QUOTE]I am in Cebu province and a coffee addict.

I usually buy whole beans, grind them myself, and brew in a French press.

However I ran out of beans in Apr, I cannot find real coffee here either ground or beans so am stuck with instant.

The local mall sells coffee grinders but when I asked in the grocery section about brewed coffee got a blank look before they answered not available po.

I would kill for some real coffee, I have 6 lbs in a DHL stuck for a few days to clear customs, but once it is delivered in Manila, it will be another two weeks before LBC gets it to me.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462213]Nothing to do with the shop assistant Pedro. He is doing what management wants (in this case, it's Jollibee who now own Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf.).

You and some others missed the point I was making about the standard Asian business model.

If less people visit your business, you increase the prices to attract them back. Super logic.[/QUOTE]Prices in a free market are at the intersection between supply and demand curves.

Cost has nothing to do with price except as it relates to the supply curve.

The lockdowns and social distancing has resulted in both a supply side and a demand side shock.

On the supply side, lower seating capacity and employment restrictions has shifted the supply curve to the right, many places will be unable to operate at a profit and will close.

On the demand side, there is a pent up demand, people have not gotten out to get their sit down coffees, they are willing to pay more.

The net result will be increased prices as the market adapts to the changes.

Of course the average pino does not think this through but thinks need revenue increase prices. It works, people stay and pay the higher price.

I'm no economist, but I would wager that if you only have 1 customer in your cafe, you're probably priced too high. A good strategy to find the right maximal pricing might be to start from something cheap so that your shop is at capacity, then start raising prices until you start losing a few customers.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2462438]Prices in a free market are at the intersection between supply and demand curves.

Cost has nothing to do with price except as it relates to the supply curve.

The lockdowns and social distancing has resulted in both a supply side and a demand side shock.

On the supply side, lower seating capacity and employment restrictions has shifted the supply curve to the right, many places will be unable to operate at a profit and will close.

On the demand side, there is a pent up demand, people have not gotten out to get their sit down coffees, they are willing to pay more.

The net result will be increased prices as the market adapts to the changes.

Of course the average pino does not think this through but thinks need revenue increase prices. It works, people stay and pay the higher price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2462438]Prices in a free market are at the intersection between supply and demand curves.

Cost has nothing to do with price except as it relates to the supply curve.

The lockdowns and social distancing has resulted in both a supply side and a demand side shock.

On the supply side, lower seating capacity and employment restrictions has shifted the supply curve to the right, many places will be unable to operate at a profit and will close.

On the demand side, there is a pent up demand, people have not gotten out to get their sit down coffees, they are willing to pay more.

The net result will be increased prices as the market adapts to the changes.

Of course the average pino does not think this through but thinks need revenue increase prices. It works, people stay and pay the higher price.[/QUOTE]Huh? In many places people have not been working and have far less disposable income. There is not pent-up demand. We are at risk of deflation.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2462438]
On the demand side, there is a pent up demand, people have not gotten out to get their sit down coffees, they are willing to pay more.
[/QUOTE]Some might be.

Others, like me, will forego the exorbitant price in a mall coffee shop and make my own at home using my fancy Breville coffee machine that grinds enough for each shot on demand.

The only reason I stop off for a coffee in the mall is for the social aspect. To meet a couple of mates now and again and watch the world go by. No need for that right now.

Incidentally, I just walked past the coffee shop referred to in my earlier post. Totally empty at 1000 h. As I walked past again on my way home, it was still empty at 1115 h.

Any other time it would be a bustling center of activity. Crazy strategy to apply such price rises.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462481]Some might be.

Others, like me, will forego the exorbitant price in a mall coffee shop and make my own at home using my fancy Breville coffee machine that grinds enough for each shot on demand.

The only reason I stop off for a coffee in the mall is for the social aspect. To meet a couple of mates now and again and watch the world go by. No need for that right now.

Incidentally, I just walked past the coffee shop referred to in my earlier post. Totally empty at 1000 h. As I walked past again on my way home, it was still empty at 1115 h.

Any other time it would be a bustling center of activity. Crazy strategy to apply such price rises.[/QUOTE]For whatever it's worth, things appear to be much the same in Davao. I do not typically frequent coffee shops since, like RK, I can make better coffee grinding my own beans at home. However, the shops that I do pass by, and there are lots of them, are either typically empty or quite sparsely populated. I read an article today by some senior government official (I forget which one), saying that quarantines will remain in effect until at least October 1. If true, this crisis will be the death knell for several restaurants including, perhaps, our own.

GE.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2462481]Some might be.

Any other time it would be a bustling center of activity. Crazy strategy to apply such price rises.[/QUOTE]I believe the strategy would be to maintain the headline item ie coffee at P95 and increase the prices on the add-ONS. Additionally offer a coffee deal at P250 which includes muffin and unlimited coffee refills. People wll bu more food with each refill and hey never drink as much as they think.

I like the "chillis" margarita deal. Unlimted refills for P295 I recall.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2462503],,,,

I like the "chillis" margarita deal. Unlimted refills for P295 I recall.[/QUOTE]You never see a bottomless cup of coffee deal but the all you can during happy hour deals are common.

I need to get out of the country right now. I have a few girlfriends there.

I know people talk up Thailand here. I haven't personally been to Thailand, but I'll tell you, my girlfriends will gladly take it in the ass, pussy, and mouth and say "thank you" afterwards.

I need to go back. My balls are hurting and need to be drained. COVID sucks.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2468617]I need to get out of the country right now. I have a few girlfriends there.

I know people talk up Thailand here. I haven't personally been to Thailand, but I'll tell you, my girlfriends will gladly take it in the ass, pussy, and mouth and say "thank you" afterwards.

I need to go back. My balls are hurting and need to be drained. COVID sucks.[/QUOTE]If you have an SRRV or other long term visa you will be able to re-enter after 1 Aug. However you will need to have prearranged covid test on arrival then quarantine hotel until test results are in. If negative you can go on yo0 ur way but if positive then you are subject to Philippine medical system. No new long term visas will be issued.

Your return flight will be limited as quarantine space is limited and returning Filipinos get priority. Then if you want to go home, the reverse will apply depending on your home countries rules.

I think it would be easier and cheaper to get your blue balls treated at home, paying home prices.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2468888]
I think it would be easier and cheaper to get your blue balls treated at home, paying home prices.[/QUOTE]Or at an intermediate / transit country. Lots of Pinas in Singapore, Dubai, HK etc are very willing to meet. Of course, you also have to be able to get and stay there.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2468999]Or at an intermediate / transit country. Lots of Pinas in Singapore, Dubai, HK etc are very willing to meet. Of course, you also have to be able to get and stay there.[/QUOTE]It has been little reported but there have been 2 major afflictions in the world since the middle of March, they are covid 19 and blue balls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2469062]It has been little reported but there have been 2 major afflictions in the world since the middle of March, they are covid 19 and blue balls.[/QUOTE]Yes, very unfortunate that these have decimated the males populations world wide. Equally brokebargirlosis is the female mutation.

Some have sought mutual but temporary relief with a liberal application of camshowoleum creams but a full recovery is not expected for at least 12 months.

Some have reported good results from seeking local remedies but for others these have caused nausea and panic attacks.

Stay safe.

G.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2468617]I need to get out of the country right now. I have a few girlfriends there.

I know people talk up Thailand here. I haven't personally been to Thailand, but I'll tell you, my girlfriends will gladly take it in the ass, pussy, and mouth and say "thank you" afterwards.

I need to go back. My balls are hurting and need to be drained. COVID sucks.[/QUOTE]Mine are getting bluer than hell!

Du30 open up the border.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2468888]I think it would be easier and cheaper to get your blue balls treated at home, paying home prices.[/QUOTE]You are right. Covid is making me more active in my home town. I've been discovering interesting places and rates for things I didn't know were possible here.

In reality thought we all miss the overnight deep immersive experience of our Philippines trips rather than the pay by the hour experience available in the west.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2470542]You are right. Covid is making me more active in my home town. I've been discovering interesting places and rates for things I didn't know were possible here.

In reality thought we all miss the overnight deep immersive experience of our Philippines trips rather than the pay by the hour experience available in the west.[/QUOTE]Strangely enough I've been spending per month the same as an average trip abroad and having just about the same amount of sex. However, that should be no surprise as the average trip abroad includes airfare, hotel accommodation and eating out whereas at home I cook most of my meals. The difference though is the girls, I much more enjoy banging Asians, Latinas and Europeans than Americans.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2468888]If you have an SRRV or other long term visa you will be able to re-enter after 1 Aug. However you will need to have prearranged covid test on arrival then quarantine hotel until test results are in. If negative you can go on yo0 ur way but if positive then you are subject to Philippine medical system. No new long term visas will be issued..[/QUOTE]This is the report, KG is referring to:

[URL]https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1308469/foreigners-with-long-term-visas-may-again-enter-ph[/URL]

I'm one of those who have a long term visa. I have a flight going to Manila on Aug 22. Beside the doubt that the flight would go at all, there are many open questions:

Quarantine Hotel location:

I'm an Angeles boy and I would rather go to a hotel near Angeles than staying in Manila. But I doubt that they let me. If so, how would I get there? Are there still offers for airport pick up service? Are taxis allowed to go long distance? I doubt they will allow me to use a public bus.

The list of Pampanga quarantine hotels is astonishing:

[URL]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dQ1VRvI0C3GJzUGmYRw-uW0YUJy6Bj2u9b_KVG5tBws/edit[/URL]#gid=2052317914.

None is in Angeles directly, the ones in Mabalacat are low quality hotels (even two are short time hotels) and the ones in Clark are all high priced.

Quarantine hotel Manila:

In case I'm not allowed to leave Manila, I have to stay in a Manila quarantine hotel. There is quite a big selection:

[URL]https://www.thepoortraveler.net/2020/07/doh-accredited-hotels-quarantine-manila/[/URL]

Frankly, I don't have any clue, where I should stay. Maybe a hotel which is most convenient to reach a transportation after quarantine. Any recommendations?

Is Ermita still the place with most freelancers?

Visitors in quarantine hotel?:

Seems I won't be not allowed to leave the room, until test result is confirmed negative. And probably they don't allow visitors. Maybe the guard can be convinced with a tip?

And how will be the situation after test was negative? Are they allowing visitors to those who are healthy even they are a quarantine hotel. Or do I need to change the hotel?

I know, most questions can't be answered by now and maybe I will be the one who answer them after I arrived.

But some thoughts and advises would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2470864]This is the report, KG is referring to:

[URL]https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1308469/foreigners-with-long-term-visas-may-again-enter-ph[/URL]

I'm one of those who have a long term visa. I have a flight going to Manila on Aug 22. Beside the doubt that the flight would go at all, there are many open questions:

Quarantine Hotel location:

I'm an Angeles boy and I would rather go to a hotel near Angeles than staying in Manila. But I doubt that they let me. If so, how would I get there? Are there still offers for airport pick up service? Are taxis allowed to go long distance? I doubt they will allow me to use a public bus.

The list of Pampanga quarantine hotels is astonishing:

[URL]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dQ1VRvI0C3GJzUGmYRw-uW0YUJy6Bj2u9b_KVG5tBws/edit[/URL]#gid=2052317914.

None is in Angeles directly, the ones in Mabalacat are low quality hotels (even two are short time hotels) and the ones in Clark are all high priced.

Quarantine hotel Manila:.[/QUOTE]They announced a tighter quarantine. Have heard some travelers with problems with the labs that ran the tests.

As for quarantine, many don't follow. Some obviously coughing or sick could be suspected of deliberately being unsafe.

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2470864]This is the report, KG is referring to:

[URL]https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1308469/foreigners-with-long-term-visas-may-again-enter-ph[/URL]

I'm one of those who have a long term visa. I have a flight going to Manila on Aug 22. Beside the doubt that the flight would go at all, there are many open questions:


But some thoughts and advises would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Well the idea of "quarantine" is that you are not in contact with the local community. Do the right thing and set an example of a traveller than can fly in and follow the rules. "breaking" the rules doesn't help anyone and you can then encourage others to abide and then keep you safe!

Get yourself the closest hotel to the arrival airport and followup testing. Then when you are cleared, then you can start thinking about girls. (Just don't think too much about they have more cases and infections than where you are now.).

From the Manila hotel list.

81. Richmonde Hotel, Eastwood.

Address: 17 Orchard Road Eastwood City Bagumbayan, Quezon City.

[URL]www.eastwoodrichmondehotel.com.ph[/URL]

Sogos etc are going to be too small for a westerner.

For stringent.

75. Discovery Suites, Ortigas.

Address: 25 ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City.

[URL]www.discoverysuites.com[/URL]

76. Richmonde Hotel, Ortigas.

Address: 21 San Miguel Avenue Ortigas Center, Pasig City.

From the Pamapnaga list I would go for PARK INN BY RADISSON CLARK.

Unless you have to go there for work, I don't think you will be having much fun. Take some rice to give away to girls, they need food.

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2470864]This is the report, KG is referring to:

[URL]https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1308469/foreigners-with-long-term-visas-may-again-enter-ph[/URL]

I'm one of those who have a long term visa. I have a flight going to Manila on Aug 22.[/QUOTE]Am told this morning by one of my Manila regulars, that the NCR has gone back to ECQ today. Not sure how that changes arrivals (who is allowed, and procedures).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2472442]Am told this morning by one of my Manila regulars, that the NCR has gone back to ECQ today. Not sure how that changes arrivals (who is allowed, and procedures).[/QUOTE]Correct. Very strict provisions in NCR now.

I must now stay home as only those under 60 years and with a barangay pass can go to the supermarket.

All barber / coffee shops etc closed again. Ortigas Center is like a ghost town today.

No Grab or taxis running. No MRT or LRT for the next 14 days.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/autos/news/here-s-what-motorists-and-commuters-need-to-know-about-ncr-s-return-to-mecq/ar-BB17u7af?ocid=msedgdhp


Airport taxis might take you directly to your choice of hotel but it's also possible you will have to wait for the official bus / van to take you.

Absolutely no visitors in your hotel. Quarantine means isolation. (I came through NAIA just 1 month ago so I am speaking from experience. Only 13 A visas were being admitted).

If Bamboo Pete doesn't have a 13A visa he probably will not be able to board the Aug 22 flight. SRRV holders are still being denied entry.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2472433]Take some rice to give away to girls, they need food.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it be easier and smarter to just give them money and let them buy what they need instead of assuming they need rice and hauling it half way across the globe? Reminds me of a poster in the Brazil thread that went to a chick's apartment and saw gifts from mongers piled in the corner. We assume this would be good for her when in actuality she can not use it or there is something much higher on her list of needs. They may have rice piled to the ceiling already, but no electricity in the house.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2472354]They announced a tighter quarantine. Have heard some travelers with problems with the labs that ran the tests.

As for quarantine, many don't follow. Some obviously coughing or sick could be suspected of deliberately being unsafe.[/QUOTE]The UK has been a shining beacon of what to do in a quarantine if you are from an influential caste. Cummings drives 400 miles. Health minister goes to weekend country home. Johnson's dad hop scotches to Greece vacation property. The US and Brazilian presidents are not setting great examples either.

IMHO, one should stay in place as much as possible. No need to travel to release the blue head. Just do that closer to where one is staying in place. There is always game around. Just bring ear plugs and paper bag as necessary.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472479]Wouldn't it be easier and smarter to just give them money and let them buy what they need SNIP They may have rice piled to the ceiling already, but no electricity in the house.[/QUOTE]Or shabu. They might be short on shabu. Or Empi. Don't give me that shocked look; it wouldn't be the first time a pinay asked money for one purpose and then used it for another.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2472572]Or shabu. They might be short on shabu. Or Empi. Don't give me that shocked look; it wouldn't be the first time a pinay asked money for one purpose and then used it for another.[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is that she is going to sell the 500 peso bag of rice he brings her for 250 pesos so that she can get high? LOL.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2472433]Well the idea of "quarantine" is that you are not in contact with the local community. ...........[/QUOTE]I'd rather continue banging fat hookers than be quarantined in a hotel in the Philippines for two weeks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472586]So what you are saying is that she is going to sell the 500 peso bag of rice he brings her for 250 pesos so that she can get high? LOL.[/QUOTE]No. I am with you in that it does not make sense to drag gifts across the globe (when they can easily be purchased in-country). However, I have had filipina ask me for money to buy something that they have no intent on buying. The real intent is to purchase party accoutrements. A real tell in discovering her intent is to offer to buy it for her when she asks for money to buy something specific. If she balks, she's lying about why she needs it; a sure indicator she wants the money for an illicit purpose.

Case: Went to the grocery store with two of my regulars, picked up some groceries for the place, and had them delivered, including three 5 KG bags of rice. The next day the front desk rang: Sir, miss Jenny is here. Really, send her up. I thought she was coming back the following day. "Westy can I have p500 for rice? I can get 10 kg in the market". Sweetie we just bought you 2 kg of rice yesterday. "Its gone". Sweetie if you can carry them, take two of my 5 kg bags, the brand that you chose yesterday. My gift to your family. "What?" Take two of mine, I can have more delivered here. "Take the rice?" Yes. "No. Westy. Sh*t. I don't need a rice. I need money!" I will leave it to your imagination as to what she is going to do with the money should I hand it over. Certainly she will not buy rice with it. Drugs quickly come to mind, but it might be as harmless as a need for booze for her boyfie when he plays cards with his buddies tonight. It would have been better if she'd spent some more time with me to earn some cash, with no need to explain a need. But, asking and lying is quicker.

Never seen a pina's home piled to the ceiling with rice. Nor gifts piled in the corner (family will take and distribute or sell those).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2472633]No. I am with you in that it does not make sense to drag gifts across the globe (when they can easily be purchased in-country). However, I have had filipina ask me for money to buy something that they have no intent on buying. The real intent is to purchase party accoutrements. A real tell in discovering her intent is to offer to buy it for her when she asks for money to buy something specific. If she balks, she's lying about why she needs it; a sure indicator she wants the money for an illicit purpose.

Case: Went to the grocery store with two of my regulars, picked up some groceries for the place, and had them delivered, including three 5 KG bags of rice. The next day the front desk rang: Sir, miss Jenny is here. Really, send her up. I thought she was coming back the following day. "Westy can I have p500 for rice? I can get 10 kg in the market". Sweetie we just bought you 2 kg of rice yesterday. "Its gone". Sweetie if you can carry them, take two of my 5 kg bags, the brand that you chose yesterday. My gift to your family. "What?" Take two of mine, I can have more delivered here. "Take the rice?" Yes. "No. Westy. Sh*t. I don't need a rice. I need money!" I will leave it to your imagination as to what she is going to do with the money should I hand it over. Certainly she will not buy rice with it. Drugs quickly come to mind, but it might be as harmless as a need for booze for her boyfie when he plays cards with his buddies tonight. It would have been better if she'd spent some more time with me to earn some cash, with no need to explain a need. But, asking and lying is quicker.

Never seen a pina's home piled to the ceiling with rice. Nor gifts piled in the corner (family will take and distribute or sell those).[/QUOTE]FWIW. I have never been with a Pinay on drugs or addicted to drugs. Most need money as follows.

Rice.

Rent.

Electric.

Water.

Family.

Medicine.

Most have been shy to tell exactly their needs but when questioned about it they are forthcoming. When in town I will get texts "DG po, I need money for xxxxxx, I come boom boom you. What is time good to come? Up to you what you give me. ".

Some will show the bill openly. Keep in mind most live in legal "squatter" homes which do not have separate bills for electric or water. The main metered squatter will verbally pro-rate the bills to them.

The scams usually come in fake hospital bills or other large emergencies.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472479]Wouldn't it be easier and smarter to just give them money and let them buy what they need instead of assuming they need rice and hauling it half way across the globe? ....[/QUOTE]Also (for whatever she does need):

Its going to be cheaper in PI than RWML, and.

She will be able to get it cheaper than you.

Cheers.

G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2472633]However, I have had filipina ask me for money to buy something that they have no intent on buying. ...[/QUOTE]I'm not sure on the PI but in many Asian countries girls are happy to accept in kind gifts as there is very little stigma about products being used or second hand so they retain their value.

In the West, $1000 of jewelry is worth maybe $200 the moment it leaves the store. In many parts of Asia it can be returned to the store or on sold for as little as a 10% loss. Hence, the girls know they can return or on sell their gifts at near full price.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2472669]I'm not sure on the PI but in many Asian countries girls are happy to accept in kind gifts as there is very little stigma about products being used or second hand so they retain their value.

In the West, $1000 of jewelry is worth maybe $200 the moment it leaves the store. In many parts of Asia it can be returned to the store or on sold for as little as a 10% loss. Hence, the girls know they can return or on sell their gifts at near full price.

G.[/QUOTE]I knew a girl that would pawn / loan her same gold necklace every other month for 1. 5 k to pay her rent or electric. As you may know the interest on a pawn / loan is even higher than a 5/6 loan. I asked her why didn't she just sell it? In my mind it wasn't worth redeeming it all the time. She looked at me like I was crazy! After all it was given to her, she couldnt do that!

It worked for me, every few months I would fuxk the hell out of her so she could redeem it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2472669]I'm not sure on the PI but in many Asian countries girls are happy to accept in kind gifts as there is very little stigma about products being used or second hand so they retain their value.

In the West, $1000 of jewelry is worth maybe $200 the moment it leaves the store. In many parts of Asia it can be returned to the store or on sold for as little as a 10% loss. Hence, the girls know they can return or on sell their gifts at near full price.

G.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons for this is that in Asia jewelry tends to be 24 carat gold where in the west jewelry has less real gold content, 18 carat at the most. Thus because of the high gold content the value is based closer on the price of gold. I discovered this once when a Chinese girlfriend of mine requested a necklace, but wanted it in 24 carat gold. Very hard to find in Houston, Texas. Basically have to find an Asian jeweler. Western jewelers don't like to work with 24 carat gold because it is too soft. She didn't get the necklace because I realized she just wanted it to turn around and sell.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2472727]One of the reasons for this is that in Asia jewelry tends to be 24 carat gold where in the west jewelry has less real gold content, 18 carat at the most. Western jewelers don't like to work with 24 carat gold because it is too soft.[/QUOTE]Jewelry in Asia does not tend to be 24 kt. You said it yourself. 24 kt is too soft, so how would it keep as something like a ring? Other metals have to be added to give it stability. 22 kt is common for something like bracelets and charms though.

Since covid, I have been bored here in Asia so I have been having jewelry made. The options are 10 K, 14 K, and 18 K. You pay market price for the gold and you are charged a separate price for labor. I am having 2 rings made. I paid market price for 18 K, $30 each for 2 diamonds and she is giving me one free, and $130 labor for each ring. There was a difference of $210 between the 14 K and 18 K.

I also bought a 23 k (96%) gold bar for my father's birthday to have it inscribed and diamonds put in. The bar for half oz (15.24 g) was market price at $906. I paid $10 commission to the store. I had the back smoothed out, 2 diamonds added, and stuff written on it for $60.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2472669]In the West, $1000 of jewelry is worth maybe $200 the moment it leaves the store. In many parts of Asia it can be returned to the store or on sold for as little as a 10% loss. Hence, the girls know they can return or on sell their gifts at near full price.[/QUOTE]

So when you take stuff back to sell it in a gold shop, you are given market price minus a commission. You are not offered half of what it is worth as would be the case in a pawn shop.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2472653]When in town I will get texts "DG po, I need money for xxxxxx, I come boom boom you. What is time good to come? Up to you what you give me. ".[/QUOTE]When people debate Thailand and Philippines, defenders of the latter always say "They can speak English so at least you can have a conversation. " Is this sort brilliant dialogue what they are talking about?

BTW: In 2012, the United Nations said the Philippines had the highest rate of methamphetamine use in East Asia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472754]Jewelry in Asia does not tend to be 24 kt. You said it yourself. 24 kt is too soft, so how would it keep as something like a ring? Other metals have to be added to give it stability. 22 kt is common for something like bracelets and charms though..[/QUOTE]Asia is a very big continent (and the Philippines is arguably not even in it, since for years they were called "Philippine Islands of the South Pacific" and Filipinos were pacific islanders).

So it depends where you are.

You can absolutely get "24 karat" and it is preferred by most locals. Though when you take it home you might find that it's actually a lower karat.

What they do is get in gold bars and then cut them as they see fit.

For example Thai wedding rings are usually 23 karat. And they're usually misshapen in a week or two. It's not about usefulness though. It's about what the ring is worth. That's why they use high karats.

So "24 karat" which is literally called "gold" in Cambodia is preferred because of resale value. It's used most often for rings, necklaces and big bracelets. The loss when you sell back is around 3 percent. In Thailand the prices have to be publicly displayed by law.

18 karat which is called "platin" in Cambodia sells back at a 5 percent or higher loss. So it is much less popular since people use gold as a store of wealth. A lot of 18 karat gold is made in Vietnam. It's used for things like thin bracelets. It's considered a much inferior product. Again remember that people in Southeast Asia buy gold as a store of wealth, not based on how well a ring holds its shape.

If you go to a place like MBK in Thailand they even have 14 karat gold. If you ask the sellers they will come right out and tell you that they keep this for farang. Farang will buy 14 karat gold and love it. Southeast Asian people don't want it.

Then Japanese people don't want any gold. They considered it gaudy and ostentatious. It looks really bad to wear gold in Japanese culture. Yet Japan is the richest country in Asia.

In Singapore it's easy to find 22 to 24 karat gold. That's what locals want. If you want 14 karat you have to look harder. But you can get 14 karat stuff at places like Cartier and Bulgari where they sell a lesser gold content at a much higher price. This is like the 14 karat gold at MBK in Thailand. It's for people who look at gold differently than most southeast Asians.

Keep in mind the measurements are different in some parts of Asia than what the rest of the world uses too.

Forget the Troy ounce in a lot of Southeast Asia.

In Thailand they sell gold by the Baht. In Cambodia they sell it by the chi and damlung.

You buy gold buy weight in much of Southeast Asia and you can get shaped however you want for a small commission that's like 3 to 20 dollars for most jewelry. But if you're a foreigner who doesn't speak the language you're more than likely going to get charged a lot more than anyone else.

Good luck.

The Kruggerand has the right admixture of copper for a firm wedding ring. That's what I had on hand when the time came. One ounce made two rings. What was it I don't remember 18 or 20 carat.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2455102]Oh well, I had to cancel my Manila plans because Cebu City change from suppose to be MECQ to GCQ, so since both Manila and Cebu City have Canadian embassy / consulate and both are in GCQ starting today, I rather go to Cebu City since is closer to Negros where I am right now.

I know that there has been alot of stories that you guys also mention here about people getting stuck someplace, but all those stories come during ECQ, I will never travel to another city and even worse to another province during ECQ.

I will only travel because is GCQ, and because they will open the Canadian embassy / consulate on June 1st, and because I have something important to do there, unless of course the mayor of Cebu City change the guidelines which is exactly what he did today.

So from this new guidelines I will only be able to travel to Cebu City by Section 15 CV: "Persons going to the airport for travel abroad. ".

Well, I'm hoping it can apply to me, I will need to find out in the terminal with the CERES buses (maybe ask the soldiers there), that my flight going to Canada is in July from Cebu City (I have proof, I have my airplane ticket already), so I'm going there a month in advance to wait for my flight there. I'm hoping they might let me. The only other option will be to wait until June 15, when they will hopefully change the guidelines and they will allow province traveling. If everything goes to plan they should change from GCQ to MGCQ which should hopefully allow provincial traveling.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RickRock;2472779]Asia is a very big continent (and the Philippines is arguably not even in it, since for years they were called "Philippine Islands of the South Pacific" and Filipinos were pacific islanders).

So it depends where you are.

You can absolutely get "24 karat" and it is preferred by most locals. Though when you take it home you might find that it's actually a lower karat.

What they do is get in gold bars and then cut them as they see fit.

For example Thai wedding rings are usually 23 karat. And they're usually misshapen in a week or two. It's not about usefulness though. It's about what the ring is worth. That's why they use high karats.

So "24 karat" which is literally called "gold" in Cambodia is preferred because of resale value. It's used most often for rings, necklaces and big bracelets. The loss when you sell back is around 3 percent. In Thailand the prices have to be publicly displayed by law.

18 karat which is called "platin" in Cambodia sells back at a 5 percent or higher loss. So it is much less popular since people use gold as a store of wealth. A lot of 18 karat gold is made in Vietnam. It's used for things like thin bracelets. It's considered a much inferior product. Again remember that people in Southeast Asia buy gold as a store of wealth, not based on how well a ring holds its shape.

If you go to a place like MBK in Thailand they even have 14 karat gold. If you ask the sellers they will come right out and tell you that they keep this for farang. Farang will buy 14 karat gold and love it. Southeast Asian people don't want it.

Then Japanese people don't want any gold. They considered it gaudy and ostentatious. It looks really bad to wear gold in Japanese culture. Yet Japan is the richest country in Asia.

In Singapore it's easy to find 22 to 24 karat gold. That's what locals want. If you want 14 karat you have to look harder. But you can get 14 karat stuff at places like Cartier and Bulgari where they sell a lesser gold content at a much higher price. This is like the 14 karat gold at MBK in Thailand. It's for people who look at gold differently than most southeast Asians.

Keep in mind the measurements are different in some parts of Asia than what the rest of the world uses too.

Forget the Troy ounce in a lot of Southeast Asia.

In Thailand they sell gold by the Baht. In Cambodia they sell it by the chi and damlung.

You buy gold buy weight in much of Southeast Asia and you can get shaped however you want for a small commission that's like 3 to 20 dollars for most jewelry. But if you're a foreigner who doesn't speak the language you're more than likely going to get charged a lot more than anyone else.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2472433]From the Pamapnaga list I would go for PARK INN BY RADISSON CLARK.[/QUOTE]I have written emails to quarantine hotels in Pampanga, including Park Inn. From those who answered, all said they wouldn't pick me up in Manila. So, I have to look for a hotel in Manila, or a taxi to take me to Pampanga. Are taxis allowed to leave Manila?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2472469]Correct. Very strict provisions in NCR now.

I must now stay home as only those under 60 years and with a barangay pass can go to the supermarket.

All barber / coffee shops etc closed again. Ortigas Center is like a ghost town today.

No Grab or taxis running. No MRT or LRT for the next 14 days.[/QUOTE]This seems to become my biggest problem now. If I stay in Manila quarantine hotel, how do I get out of Manila afterwards?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2472469]If Bamboo Pete doesn't have a 13A visa he probably will not be able to board the Aug 22 flight. SRRV holders are still being denied entry.[/QUOTE]Are you sure about this? There are different kinds of SRRV visas. Some are for spouses, and some are for people who deposit money.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2472442]Am told this morning by one of my Manila regulars, that the NCR has gone back to ECQ today. Not sure how that changes arrivals (who is allowed, and procedures).[/QUOTE]A friend of mine received a cancellation mail yesterday for his flight in September by Qatar Airways to Clark. I wouldn't be surprised if mine would be cancelled too. Aug 22 via Istanbul by Turkish Airline. Don't think many Filipinos flying from there. Maybe I'm not even sad if they cancel it, if I look at the latest figures of new infections.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2472433]Well the idea of "quarantine" is that you are not in contact with the local community. Do the right thing and set an example of a traveller than can fly in and follow the rules. "breaking" the rules doesn't help anyone and you can then encourage others to abide and then keep you safe![/QUOTE]I totally agree. It was just a thought how to sneak a girl in, but I decided already, not to do it. Quarantine would only be 3-4 days and these few days are not worth the risk.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2472433]Get yourself the closest hotel to the arrival airport and followup testing. Then when you are cleared, then you can start thinking about girls. (Just don't think too much about they have more cases and infections than where you are now.).
From the Manila hotel list.
81. Richmonde Hotel, Eastwood.
Address: 17 Orchard Road Eastwood City Bagumbayan, Quezon City.[/QUOTE]What was your criteria to select these hotels? I think, Pasay hotels are closer to the airport. Is it the idea, to get out of Manila by airplane? Would I be allowed to fly from Manila to Clark (via Cebu) after negative test?

[QUOTE=RickRock;2472775]When people debate Thailand and Philippines, defenders of the latter always say "They can speak English so at least you can have a conversation. " Is this sort brilliant dialogue what they are talking about?[/QUOTE]Many, if not most, of the Filipinas that sex tourists interact with are elementary school dropouts. I have quite a bit of formal education but a much smaller Filipino vocabulary than these women's English vocabulary, even though I have been to the Philippines more than 25 times, with visits ranging from two weeks to five months.

I assume Dg's quote from a text message was largely paraphrased, but it did contain 16 or 17 unique English words. I'm not inclined to make fun of their English when I've not been motivated enough to learn their language.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2472896]

I assume Dg's quote from a text message was largely paraphrased, but it did contain 16 or 17 unique English words. I'm not inclined to make fun of their English when I've not been motivated enough to learn their language.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to portray pinas as Rhodes Scholars but I can remember having the same discussions about PNG Highlanders. Most spoke very basic English. Of course, that was often one of 5 national and regional languages that they did speak so who was I to judge. 😁.

G.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2472896]Many, if not most, of the Filipinas that sex tourists interact with are elementary school dropouts. I have quite a bit of formal education but a much smaller Filipino vocabulary than these women's English vocabulary, even though I have been to the Philippines more than 25 times, with visits ranging from two weeks to five months.

I assume Dg's quote from a text message was largely paraphrased, but it did contain 16 or 17 unique English words. I'm not inclined to make fun of their English when I've not been motivated enough to learn their language.[/QUOTE]There's no need to belabor Soapy's point, but it's true that there's a direct and strong correlation between degree of English language capability and education. We should also consider the historical reality that, during the years of the Cory Aquino administration, the Philippines "lost" a generation of English Language teachers because, in a burst of post-Edsa patriotic fervor, she, as mandated a change in the language of instruction in schools from English to Tagalog. Though that mandate has long been overruled by subsequent presidents, the diminution of English Language skills has persisted.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472754]Jewelry in Asia does not tend to be 24 kt. You said it yourself. 24 kt is too soft, so how would it keep as something like a ring? Other metals have to be added to give it stability. 22 kt is common for something like bracelets and charms though.

Since covid, I have been bored here in Asia so I have been having jewelry made. The options are 10 K, 14 K, and 18 K. You pay market price for the gold and you are charged a separate price for labor. I am having 2 rings made. I paid market price for 18 K, $30 each for 2 diamonds and she is giving me one free, and $130 labor for each ring. There was a difference of $210 between the 14 K and 18 K.

I also bought a 23 k (96%) gold bar for my father's birthday to have it inscribed and diamonds put in. The bar for half oz (15.24 g) was market price at $906. I paid $10 commission to the store. I had the back smoothed out, 2 diamonds added, and stuff written on it for $60.



So when you take stuff back to sell it in a gold shop, you are given market price minus a commission. You are not offered half of what it is worth as would be the case in a pawn shop.[/QUOTE]Mr. E your a cool MFer. Love seeing people buying their parents cool shit.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2472896]Many, if not most, of the Filipinas that sex tourists interact with are elementary school dropouts. I have quite a bit of formal education but a much smaller Filipino vocabulary than these women's English vocabulary, even though I have been to the Philippines more than 25 times, with visits ranging from two weeks to five months.

I assume Dg's quote from a text message was largely paraphrased, but it did contain 16 or 17 unique English words. I'm not inclined to make fun of their English when I've not been motivated enough to learn their language.[/QUOTE]Basically her exact words. 99% of the girls I have met can converse in English. They are actually more literate than foreigners. Most of them can read and write in English.

Only one bargirl that has trouble reading texting English but her verbal command is good. But she has quite a tight body, beautiful eyes and fuxks like hell despite having 4 kids and is under 30 years old.

Never had a pinay not understand what and when I wanted it in English. No need for an English major here.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2472957]There's no need to belabor Soapy's point, but it's true that there's a direct and strong correlation between degree of English language capability and education. We should also consider the historical reality that, during the years of the Cory Aquino administration, the Philippines "lost" a generation of English Language teachers because, in a burst of post-Edsa patriotic fervor, she, as mandated a change in the language of instruction in schools from English to Tagalog. Though that mandate has long been overruled by subsequent presidents, the diminution of English Language skills has persisted.

GE.[/QUOTE]One can only imagine what the impact of Covid will have on the educational progress of kids. Millions have not attended school since February. We will know in 10 years time.

Even in my RWML, those to the right are genuinely scared that a six month decline in education standards now will have enormous impact on future GDP. Those to the left don't care because they will continue to receive free money.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2472990]quite a tight body, despite having 4 kids [/QUOTE]LOL! Thanks for the laugh.

No-Go Zones Episode 2.

Its about a place called Quirino and it states that this place is a 100% gang run area and that knife point hold ups are an every occurrence, I don't know how accurate that is. I have never been to this place nor would I want to go for a visit however there is one piece of information this video shed some light on a "New" area I was previously unaware of a few blocks away from that area. They name this area as a area where freelancers look for potential punters. Has anyone been out this way and is it really a red light district or a work of fiction? They look like they set up shop infront the the McDo that I have a street view of in the link down below. It looks like tis in front of the "Gateway Mall" is this a known freelance haunt? There do seem to be some short time hotels near by one called "Clixs Hotel" that seem to cater to a redlight clientele. I'm always open to new mongering grounds if this is in fact an area where freelancers hang out.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ueKx8P4pfAStRdBd7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/No-Go-Zones-Worlds-Toughest-Places/dp/B083P42MY2[/URL]

I've stayed in this area before. Its right near Araneta center. I wrote a post on a night I spent exploring the areae a year or so back. There are a bunch of girlie bars in the area to the east of Gateway Mall on aurora blvd and its side streets. So I could believe that there might be freelancers around, but I've never seen any that stood out.

This is a really busy area as there is a major bus station nearby.

There probably is a lot of crime in this area but I never saw any. My exposure was over the course of a 4 night stay in the area back in 2011 and my 1 night exploring at the end of 2019.

I would say, you could probably find some freelancers in the area, but you'd be I'm not sure that they would be high quality and you might spend quit a bit of time looking for them.

I have heard that the filipino nudie bars in the area are quite good, but a different experience than what you might be used to if your used to angeles or burgos.

If you can read some tagalog, you can learn more about the scene at manilatonight.

Also, I've never heard of this area referred to as Quirino, only as Cubao and sometimes Aurora.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2487831]No-Go Zones Episode 2.

Its about a place called Quirino and it states that this place is a 100% gang run area and that knife point hold ups are an every occurrence, I don't know how accurate that is. I have never been to this place nor would I want to go for a visit however there is one piece of information this video shed some light on a "New" area I was previously unaware of a few blocks away from that area. They name this area as a area where freelancers look for potential punters. Has anyone been out this way and is it really a red light district or a work of fiction? They look like they set up shop infront the the McDo that I have a street view of in the link down below. It looks like tis in front of the "Gateway Mall" is this a known freelance haunt? There do seem to be some short time hotels near by one called "Clixs Hotel" that seem to cater to a redlight clientele. I'm always open to new mongering grounds if this is in fact an area where freelancers hang out.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ueKx8P4pfAStRdBd7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/No-Go-Zones-Worlds-Toughest-Places/dp/B083P42MY2[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2487844]... There are a bunch of girlie bars in the area to the east of Gateway Mall on aurora blvd and its side streets. So I could believe that there might be freelancers around, but I've never seen any that stood out....
...I would say, you could probably find some freelancers in the area, but you'd be I'm not sure that they would be high quality and you might spend quit a bit of time looking for them....
[/QUOTE]I see these bars you are talking about maybe these freelancers try and catch some of the mongers before they get into the bars, thanks for confirming that there is some small redlight district situated here. I sometimes find some diamonds in the rough when off the beaten path but then again after you have been at this for a while the thrill of the hunt is sometimes more fun. I also oftentimes find that girls outside the main red light foreigner districts have lower expectations in general especially freelancers. They don't know yet how to fleece a foreigner, they haven't hit a whale yet, so even their wildest expectations are well below my budget. That's why I try and branch out to a different area every now and then.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2487861]I see these bars you are talking about maybe these freelancers try and catch some of the mongers before they get into the bars, thanks for confirming that there is some small redlight district situated here. I sometimes find some diamonds in the rough when off the beaten path but then again after you have been at this for a while the thrill of the hunt is sometimes more fun. I also oftentimes find that girls outside the main red light foreigner districts have lower expectations in general especially freelancers. They don't know yet how to fleece a foreigner, they haven't hit a whale yet, so even their wildest expectations are well below my budget. That's why I try and branch out to a different area every now and then.[/QUOTE]Thats true. A lot of the girls that will work in these filipino bars won't have had much interaction with foreigners. But theres also a much higher probability that their english will not be up to par. Theres a reason they are not working in burgos. That's been my experience at least. From what I've read in the manila tonight forums, the girls working in these bars can get anywhere between 2 k to 5 k per pop depending on the girl. That's on top of paying for the onnsite VIP room that you need to fuck her in. Also from what I've read takeout is much less common in these filipino bars, and sex is more often on site.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2487844] There are a bunch of girlie bars in the area to the east of Gateway Mall on aurora blvd and its side streets.
[/QUOTE]These are "pinoy-only" bars. All closed at present because of COVID-19.

I was taken out for an evening by my local "team" of 4 filipino guys from my office back in around 2006.

The guys warned me in advance that I would be the only foreigner in the bar but I would be OK as long as I stayed with them.

Cost me a fair bit because I ended up paying for the beers and the polutan.

We didn't buy any girls drinks. We decided that would be a more diplomatic strategy so as not to piss off the locals. We just watched the show.

It was an interesting night, but I can't say I enjoyed it.

No way would I go back there alone. I understand that some bars are still operating but currently closed. I haven't been to Gateway area for a long time.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2487844]I've stayed in this area before. Its right near Araneta center. I wrote a post on a night I spent exploring the areae a year or so back. There are a bunch of girlie bars in the area to the east of Gateway Mall on aurora blvd and its side streets. So I could believe that there might be freelancers around, but I've never seen any that stood out.

This is a really busy area as there is a major bus station nearby.

There probably is a lot of crime in this area but I never saw any. My exposure was over the course of a 4 night stay in the area back in 2011 and my 1 night exploring at the end of 2019.

I would say, you could probably find some freelancers in the area, but you'd be I'm not sure that they would be high quality and you might spend quit a bit of time looking for them.

I have heard that the filipino nudie bars in the area are quite good, but a different experience than what you might be used to if your used to angeles or burgos.

If you can read some tagalog, you can learn more about the scene at manilatonight.

Also, I've never heard of this area referred to as Quirino, only as Cubao and sometimes Aurora.[/QUOTE]That location is also close to the Vista Hotel, pretty nice place to stay in the area. Also, since today is October 1st, it now has been 45 years since the iconic Ali-Frazier boxing match took place, The Thrilla in Manila.

Interesting article.

[URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkynn8/unintended-pregnancies-philippines-lockdown[/URL]

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2488794]Interesting article.

[URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkynn8/unintended-pregnancies-philippines-lockdown[/URL]

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Holy crap:

[I]"The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) has said that the number of women expected to give birth this year could increase by 42% or 751,000 to reach a total of 2.6 million if mobility restrictions stay until the end of 2020."[/I]

Good catch SD. Blame it on WR.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2488753]........... Also, since today is October 1st, it now has been 45 years since the iconic Ali-Frazier boxing match took place, The Thrilla in Manila.[/QUOTE]That was not very long after I started pursuing our hobby. I saw that fight on tv and started becoming interested in Philippine women. I found them so beautiful. The Philippine women now don't look as lovely as those I saw back then.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2488811]Holy crap:[I]"The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) has said that the number of women expected to give birth this year could increase by 42% or 751,000 to reach a total of 2.6 million if mobility restrictions stay until the end of 2020."[/I]Good catch SD. Blame it on WR.[/QUOTE]SHEET! They can't fucking feed themselves as it is! That's 751 k more fathers abandoning their kids.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2488811]Holy crap:

[I]"The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) has said that the number of women expected to give birth this year could increase by 42% or 751,000 to reach a total of 2.6 million if mobility restrictions stay until the end of 2020."[/I]

Good catch SD. Blame it on WR.[/QUOTE]Yes there is probably not much else to do. Although I wonder as many life in tiny living spaces with 6-7 people already. How do they have sex without the other housemates seeing it. Most of these children will suffer extreme poverty and go through hell probably.

Look at it from the bright side for us. A nice future replenishment of available girls 18-19 years down the line.

[QUOTE=CrazyMan;2488899]Look at it from the bright side for us. A nice future replenishment of available girls 18-19 years down the line.[/QUOTE]The impacts of the pandemic will be felt for decades.

For me these additional 376,000 females will be coming online when I'm 80.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2488849]SHEET! They can't fucking feed themselves as it is! That's 751 k more fathers abandoning their kids.[/QUOTE]And next year 751 k more single moms on PL or PC or Tinder looking for a foreigner who will accept them and their kid.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2487831]No-Go Zones Episode 2.

Its about a place called Quirino and it states that this place is a 100% gang run area and that knife point hold ups are an every occurrence, I don't know how accurate that is. I have never been to this place nor would I want to go for a visit however there is one piece of information this video shed some light on a "New" area I was previously unaware of a few blocks away from that area. They name this area as a area where freelancers look for potential punters. Has anyone been out this way and is it really a red light district or a work of fiction? They look like they set up shop infront the the McDo that I have a street view of in the link down below. It looks like tis in front of the "Gateway Mall" is this a known freelance haunt?

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ueKx8P4pfAStRdBd7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/No-Go-Zones-Worlds-Toughest-Places/dp/B083P42MY2[/URL][/QUOTE]The no-go zone in the amazon link is some distance from the McDonalds in the other link. The McDonalds is facing out onto Aurora Blvd. at the North edge of Gateway Mall. It is under the Araneta Center station on LRT2.

Quirino is actually four separate barangays in Quezon City, some distance east of Gateway and immediately north of the Anonas station on LRT2. Anonas station is the station to the east of Araneta Station, a kilometer or two away from Gateway.

I've actually been on foot in one of the Quirino barangays a few years ago. I made the connection after viewing part of the amazon video. I was directed there by Filipino friends to meet some folks in an office a few hundred meters from the Anonas station. A female student from one of the university belt schools in Manila City was sent with me to help translate. She was sort of an innocent type. No translation was necessary, as the Filipinos in the office spoke excellent English. Neither the student nor I had any sense of being in a dangerous area, so I'm a little surprised now after viewing part of the Amazon video. Since Quirino is actually four barangays, it's likely the gang activity is located a little further north from the LRT2 line.

I think the locals-only places RK refers to are just slightly east of Gateway, but not so far away as Quirino. I have heard about other locals-only places along Rodriguez Avenue in Quezon City west of EDSA, and the advice I got was similar to RK's report.

I have been in some locals-only places on the MacArthur Highway, just north of Monumento. There was definitely some take-out talent available, and since I was with a local who knew the owner, it was probably possible. But the one I wanted could not produce ID, and since she was young, I was not going to get caught with her in a hotel room. The string of take-out bars were recently demolished.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2488966]And next year 751 k more single moms on PL or PC or Tinder looking for a foreigner who will accept them and their kid.[/QUOTE]That's a much better timeline than waiting for the kids to grow up.

- Anybody going there I advice you to rent a house instead of a condo if you don't want to have any problems bringing different girls everyday. I bring 2-3 different girls a day many times and nobody said anything, just the people in front of the house would look and smile but nothing else, and the house I rent was only afew houses away to the barangay office, when I saw this I thought it was going to be a problem, but not problem at all, at least in the barangay I was staying in Pasay. I just made the girls come inside the house faster on the days I was bringing more than 1 girl in a day.

- Bars are open until 10 pm, there is curfew at 10 pm BUT you can walk and take a taxi at any time, taxis work 24 hours and also grab, just on some locations grab don't work during curfew, but on main streets they all work. Well at least in the places I was after midnight: Makati, Taguig, Pasay, Ermita, and Mandaluyong.

- I took the train many times, is very safe, never gets full, everyone is sitting down nobody standing up and enough social distance space to be safe, is just quiet, people don't talk much while wearing a mask. I had afew girls coming / leaving by train (Caloocan and Quezon City), a couple of them they didn't want to take a train but when you explain them that the trains are not full anymore like before they will come. If they don't I say bye, no way I'm paying taxi from too far. Well there was one that didn't want to come by train, but because she was one of the hottest on my list, I told her I will go to Caloocan by train and pick her up there, so I went there meet her in the last station and came back with her by train, took me like 15-20 minutes one way by train. It was worth it, not only she was one of the hottest (in face), but she had the best body and she was the best in bed too, she let me fuck her in the ass, I guess because we were both abit drunk.

- Travelling from Negros to Manila and then Manila to Canada wasn't a problem, I guess if you have a good reason to travel (to take my flight back to Canada) is easy to travel within Philippines. BTW from Negros to Manila was easy to get out from the airport, I was out of the airport faster than before, I had to wait for my friend 10 minutes when she pick me up, because it only took me 10-15 minutes to get out of the airport. I heard from Manila to other cities is more harder to get out of the airport and you also need a covid test done, a friend needed a covid test to go to Batangas from Manila, me coming from Negros to Manila I didn't need a covid test. I guess they are not strict if you come from a province with low cases.

- If you leave from Philippines to another country you need to have a covid test done within the last 3 days of your flight, otherwise they won't let you leave, maybe is because I made a stop in Taiwan. The covid test (24 hours result) cost me 8,000 php, you can get it for free in Mall of Asia but the result takes weeks and you have to book an appointment and make a lineup.

Great report Steve.

"I shall return" to Mabuhayland as soon as covid restrictions ends, missing out on the fun and great time with Pinoy girls. For me Filipina are cooperative, adventurous and loves to experiment in bed way more than Thai and Vietnamese girls. Also bar scene in AC / QC and LA Cafe is so lively. Do you know if LA Cafe / Havana still operating?

I always stayed in century park opposite Harrison plaza and never had issues walking in with girls although they have people standing right opposite the elevators. Is there any restrictions on inviting guest into your hotel room or would you recommend house / condo only?

Thanks,

Sexnomad.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2490208]- Anybody going there I advice you to rent a house instead of a condo if you don't want to have any problems bringing different girls everyday. I bring 2-3 different girls a day many times and nobody said anything, just the people in front of the house would look and smile but nothing else, and the house I rent was only afew houses away to the barangay office, when I saw this I thought it was going to be a problem, but not problem at all, at least in the barangay I was staying in Pasay. I just made the girls come inside the house faster on the days I was bringing more than 1 girl in a day.

- Bars are open until 10 pm, there is curfew at 10 pm BUT you can walk and take a taxi at any time, taxis work 24 hours and also grab, just on some locations grab don't work during curfew, but on main streets they all work. Well at least in the places I was after midnight: Makati, Taguig, Pasay, Ermita, and Mandaluyong.

- I took the train many times, is very safe, never gets full, everyone is sitting down nobody standing up and enough social distance space to be safe, is just quiet, people don't talk much while wearing a mask. I had afew girls coming / leaving by train (Caloocan and Quezon City), a couple of them they didn't want to take a train but when you explain them that the trains are not full anymore like before they will come. If they don't I say bye, no way I'm paying taxi from too far.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SexNomad;2494966]Great report Steve.

"I shall return" to Mabuhayland as soon as covid restrictions ends, missing out on the fun and great time with Pinoy girls. For me Filipina are cooperative, adventurous and loves to experiment in bed way more than Thai and Vietnamese girls. Also bar scene in AC / QC and LA Cafe is so lively. Do you know if LA Cafe / Havana still operating?

I always stayed in century park opposite Harrison plaza and never had issues walking in with girls although they have people standing right opposite the elevators. Is there any restrictions on inviting guest into your hotel room or would you recommend house / condo only?

Thanks,

Sexnomad.[/QUOTE]We're all itching to get back to PI here, but you're one of the rare ones who seem to actually enjoy LAC? I was last there in 2018 so maybe it's changed, but my experience was very crowded with girls from 3's to 6's when I went at 7 o'clock on a Friday and again at 5 o'clock on a Tuesday. Girls were friendly, if somewhat pushy about buying them shit, and wouldn't agree to ST for less than 2k. Overall impression was OK to bust a nut in a pinch, but probably wouldn't be my first choice of the night.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2497078]We're all itching to get back to PI here, but you're one of the rare ones who seem to actually enjoy LAC? I was last there in 2018 so maybe it's changed, but my experience was very crowded with girls from 3's to 6's when I went at 7 o'clock on a Friday and again at 5 o'clock on a Tuesday. Girls were friendly, if somewhat pushy about buying them shit, and wouldn't agree to ST for less than 2k. Overall impression was OK to bust a nut in a pinch, but probably wouldn't be my first choice of the night.[/QUOTE]I would say 3 to 4's. Have ventured in a few times and never walked out with anyone. The only one I would have done wanted 6000 for ST. The girls outside Robinsons I would say are somewhat better and I didn't do any of them either. This is in 2019 and 20.

That's not true buddy, I am also stuck outside of Mabuhayland and just like all PI loving fellow mongers itching to get back there. Its been more than a year for me now since I have been to PI. I enjoy LAC for the atmosphere and fun chit chat with girl there, agreed most girl's are between 3's to 6's but you do come across some rare gems who come their once or twice a month. Also you can find some 7's in room upstairs where band plays or the adjoining room.

Being going their at least once on my trips to PI since 2008 (If memory serves right it used to be called Manila bay cafe then) and it first PI club experience. Waiting for flights and borders to open soon, till then stay safe and play safe wherever you are.

Sexnomad.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2497078]We're all itching to get back to PI here, but you're one of the rare ones who seem to actually enjoy LAC? I was last there in 2018 so maybe it's changed, but my experience was very crowded with girls from 3's to 6's when I went at 7 o'clock on a Friday and again at 5 o'clock on a Tuesday. Girls were friendly, if somewhat pushy about buying them shit, and wouldn't agree to ST for less than 2k. Overall impression was OK to bust a nut in a pinch, but probably wouldn't be my first choice of the night.[/QUOTE]

How did you even get in, with the Philippine quarantine? I thought they weren't letting anyone into the entire country? I'm truly amazed that you got in.

And how did you get out on a three day notice of a negative result if it takes two weeks to receive it? Sounds like classic Filipino logic to me XD.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2490208]- Travelling from Negros to Manila and then Manila to Canada wasn't a problem, I guess if you have a good reason to travel (to take my flight back to Canada) is easy to travel within Philippines. BTW from Negros to Manila was easy to get out from the airport, I was out of the airport faster than before, I had to wait for my friend 10 minutes when she pick me up, because it only took me 10-15 minutes to get out of the airport. I heard from Manila to other cities is more harder to get out of the airport and you also need a covid test done, a friend needed a covid test to go to Batangas from Manila, me coming from Negros to Manila I didn't need a covid test. I guess they are not strict if you come from a province with low cases.

- If you leave from Philippines to another country you need to have a covid test done within the last 3 days of your flight, otherwise they won't let you leave, maybe is because I made a stop in Taiwan. The covid test (24 hours result) cost me 8,000 php, you can get it for free in Mall of Asia but the result takes weeks and you have to book an appointment and make a lineup.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SexNomad;2494966]Great report Steve.

"I shall return" to Mabuhayland as soon as covid restrictions ends, missing out on the fun and great time with Pinoy girls. For me Filipina are cooperative, adventurous and loves to experiment in bed way more than Thai and Vietnamese girls. Also bar scene in AC / QC and LA Cafe is so lively. Do you know if LA Cafe / Havana still operating?[/QUOTE]I didn't pass by LA Cafe, BUT I did pass by Cafe Havana, the one in Greenbelt, but it was closed until further notice.

[QUOTE]I always stayed in century park opposite Harrison plaza and never had issues walking in with girls although they have people standing right opposite the elevators. Is there any restrictions on inviting guest into your hotel room or would you recommend house / condo only?[/QUOTE]Guards in hotels and condos might let you bring one girl or two girls during your stay (because of Covid), but I doubt they will let you bring 2-3 different girls a day.

Maybe there is a condo where you can pay the guards, but is a hit and miss. Renting a house will solve that problem. Just remember to rent the house all for yourself, without sharing or having the owner live in the same house.

[QUOTE=Strel75;2498011]How did you even get in, with the Philippine quarantine? I thought they weren't letting anyone into the entire country? I'm truly amazed that you got in.[/QUOTE]I was in Philippines way before the quarantine started, back on January.

[QUOTE]And how did you get out on a three day notice of a negative result if it takes two weeks to receive it? Sounds like classic Filipino logic to me XD.[/QUOTE]If you pay 8,000 php you can get the test result the next day, I got mine exactly after 24 hours. While I was in the airport making a line-up to get in, they email me the result, I just show them the result from my phone when I was check-in my luggages and they let me in.

I have been planning my long pending vacation trip and came across a blog named SwoopTheWorld, the guy there recommended Philippines as the best pussy paradise and I decided to give it a shot and changed location on my tinder to Manila, dude with in 2 hours of me swiping girls my Tinder was going crazy with all the matches. And best part is majority of them were gorgeous and some of them being absolutely drop dead gorgeous and still being head over heels on my white fit body. The girls have very very high sexual drive and I have had very good sexts with lot of girls. I can't wait to visit this paradise once international borders open. Really excited.

[QUOTE=MoskvaDesi;2498777]The girls have very very high sexual drive and I have had very good sexts with lot of girls. I can't wait to visit this paradise once international borders open. Really excited.[/QUOTE]I'm glad to read that you are having a good time and planning your first trip. Just be aware of pinas notoriously low conversion rate from chatting online to actually meeting and sealing the deal. I have litterally arrived with 100 new numbers and chat mates and had none of them work out. Yes, none. Conversely, I've had many many spectacular times with between 2 and 36 hours notice.

Have fun but don't believe everything that the girls promise online.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MoskvaDesi;2498777] And best part is majority of them were gorgeous and some of them being absolutely drop dead gorgeous and still being head over heels on my white fit body. The girls have very very high sexual drive and I have had very good sexts with lot of girls. I can't wait to visit this paradise once international borders open. Really excited.[/QUOTE]Philippine girls have seen plenty of white fit bodies. There were a USA Air Force base and a naval base full of young horny white fit bodies. Most of them enjoyed Philippine girls.

How do you know they have very high sex drive? I guess they told you!

Before you go read all the Philippine forums and field reports and get an idea. There are lots of scams. Make sure you are not fleeced. What they say on chatting does not necessarily come to fruition.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2498909]Philippine girls have seen plenty of white fit bodies. There were a USA Air Force base and a naval base full of young horny white fit bodies. Most of them enjoyed Philippine girls.

How do you know they have very high sex drive? I guess they told you!

Before you go read all the Philippine forums and field reports and get an idea. There are lots of scams. Make sure you are not fleeced. What they say on chatting does not necessarily come to fruition.[/QUOTE]Well as he has 18 FRs Sammon and all asking questions in the Indian forum I think this is a wind up. Reading the other FRs shows questions and the words 'drop dead gorgeous' . Why a wind up? As anyone who reads any news (including the outlets that can barely print facts correctly) all say travel in general is restricted and if he / she has RTFF then the snippet on the continued ban on tourists would have been read also.

Desi. RTFF and type with 2 hands is a better approach to the Philippines.

Will be in Paranaque next year and will be there for a long time. Wondering if anyone knows of full service spa or bar near Moonwalk Village area? Any independents would work also. Will be seeing what I can find and help out other members with info. Trying to avoid going to airport area.

[QUOTE=Bamasam;2501213]Will be in Paranaque next year and will be there for a long time. Wondering if anyone knows of full service spa or bar near Moonwalk Village area? Any independents would work also. Will be seeing what I can find and help out other members with info. Trying to avoid going to airport area.[/QUOTE]Ahhhh, you're going to hook up with Filipina you met online but will look for a little action on the side. Do keep us updated.

[QUOTE=Bamasam;2501213]Will be in Paranaque next year and will be there for a long time. Wondering if anyone knows of full service spa or bar near Moonwalk Village area? Any independents would work also. Will be seeing what I can find and help out other members with info. Trying to avoid going to airport area.[/QUOTE]I do want to be the first to thank you before WR does, for your field report 2 and 1/2 years ago. If you found pussy then you will find it again.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2501588]I do want to be the first to thank you before WR does, for your field report 2 and 1/2 years ago. If you found pussy then you will find it again.[/QUOTE]Was able to get in contact with this one and is still available. Two others have disappeared sadly.

Morsel: G-Point girl.

Hey guys,

Okada Manila has reopened its poker room yesterday and in general is accepting visitors.

Is this a step towards gogos and bars reopening?

Towards accepting tourism?

Has anyone on the ground tried to visit burgos / edsa complex / bars in ermita or on roxas blvd. ? Are we coming closer?

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2509966]
Has anyone on the ground tried to visit burgos [/QUOTE]I can walk through Burgos each day and there is nothing except some V-seller and massage girls. Filling station, Cubana and Cheers are open, but all girlie bars are closed and not opening any time soon. If ever again. They're even trying to sell apartments in Citadel, Makati Palace and Oxford suites with prices way below Makati average. Wonder who will invest in a property in such an old and rundown building.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2510042]I can walk through Burgos each day and there is nothing except some V-seller and massage girls. Filling station, Cubana and Cheers are open, but all girlie bars are closed and not opening any time soon. If ever again. They're even trying to sell apartments in Citadel, Makati Palace and Oxford suites with prices way below Makati average. Wonder who will invest in a property in such an old and rundown building.[/QUOTE]Info from a few bar workers on Burgos Street recently that they were contacted by owners to expect to return to work in January if interested. The COVID situation between now and then I'm sure can change those plans. Fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2510042]They're even trying to sell apartments in Citadel, Makati Palace and Oxford suites with prices way below Makati average. Wonder who will invest in a property in such an old and rundown building.[/QUOTE]Those buildings are below average and their prices are below average accordingly. The brave investors are buying. Things can turn fast as soon as people get optimistic again.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2510042]Wonder who will invest in a property in such an old and rundown building.[/QUOTE]Rundown old people? Chinese?

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2510144]that they were contacted by owners to expect to return to work in January if interested. [/QUOTE]I don't see that happening but lets hope I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=BrizLad]The brave investors are buying. [/QUOTE]I'd say the smart investors are buying now.

Hope every one doing good.

COVID played bad role in mongering.

Came across Facebook groups about women looking for love, single mom looking for foreigners like that.

I am looking for seniors point of view, how is the success rate in FB and any tips to find beautiful chicks in FB, I feel it is safe and it will make our trip more comfortable if we make FB friends before travel.

Thanks in Advance.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2510380]....

I'd say the smart investors are buying now.[/QUOTE]There are definitely some bargains to be had out there. I was offered half interest in a massage place for 200 k. If I had really trusted the seller, I would have invested and just taken the profits in trade.

200 k for a couple massages with extras a week forever does not sound to bad, if you really think you will get that.

Whatever you invest in this country be prepared to lose it, especially if it is a little on the shady side. Lots of locals will make up a story to get you deported so that they can keep your investment.

[QUOTE=HellvelMan;2510490]Came across Facebook groups about women looking for love, single mom looking for foreigners like that.

I am looking for seniors point of view, how is the success rate in FB and any tips to find beautiful chicks in FB, I feel it is safe and it will make our trip more comfortable if we make FB friends before travel.
[/QUOTE]Same girls, same game, FB is just the contact method and you then enter the same circle of ex-BF, unmarried mothers, demanding relatives et etc.

[QUOTE=HellvelMan;2510490]Hope every one doing good.

COVID played bad role in mongering.

Came across Facebook groups about women looking for love, single mom looking for foreigners like that.

I am looking for seniors point of view, how is the success rate in FB and any tips to find beautiful chicks in FB, I feel it is safe and it will make our trip more comfortable if we make FB friends before travel.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Fuckbook and Instagram are no different to any other dating site featuring Filipinas. Go to the Chatroom and Penpals thread and you will get all the information you need. All the candidates are desperately poor and unless you are prepared to start sending them money now, the conversation will end rather quickly. But you won't believe me, so just give it a shot and see for yourself.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2510905]Same girls, same game, FB is just the contact method and you then enter the same circle of ex-BF, unmarried mothers, demanding relatives et etc.[/QUOTE]I thought PinaLove was the bottom of the barrel but those groups really are for the burnt out battle axes. Good luck finding anyone sub 40 or remotely decent looking.

The only possible reason I could see for using the groups would be for guys that are intimidated by good looking young girls or those that specifically prefer older ladies. Most of the ladies there have done the foreigner circuit many times (look with familiarity with English, international money transfers, online phone topups and purchasing property) so anyone playing along should watch his heart and wallet.

Sorry if I'm offending anyone who may be using them. Just calling it as I see it. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2510966]I thought PinaLove was the bottom of the barrel but those groups really are for the burnt out battle axes. Good luck finding anyone sub 40 or remotely decent looking.

The only possible reason I could see for using the groups would be for guys that are intimidated by good looking young girls or those that specifically prefer older ladies. Most of the ladies there have done the foreigner circuit many times (look with familiarity with English, international money transfers, online phone topups and purchasing property) so anyone playing along should watch his heart and wallet.

Sorry if I'm offending anyone who may be using them. Just calling it as I see it. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I don't think there is any ranking system between DIA, FC and PL. They all have the same cross section of equally horrible girls. A girl is not going to think she is so ugly that she will limit herself to PL. Most girls join one of the sites on the urging of their friends who have all struck it rich marrying young, white, alpha-male New York investment bankers with houses in Scarsdale. Hahahaha. The only one which I think has a higher social ranking is Christian Filipina Dating. Any monger banged any hookers from that site yet? [URL]https://www.christianfilipina.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=HellvelMan;2510490]Hope every one doing good.

COVID played bad role in mongering.

Came across Facebook groups about women looking for love, single mom looking for foreigners like that.

I am looking for seniors point of view, how is the success rate in FB and any tips to find beautiful chicks in FB, I feel it is safe and it will make our trip more comfortable if we make FB friends before travel.

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Send me a message and I will point you to the right groups.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2510935]Fuckbook and Instagram are no different to any other dating site featuring Filipinas. Go to the Chatroom and Penpals thread and you will get all the information you need. All the candidates are desperately poor and unless you are prepared to start sending them money now, the conversation will end rather quickly. But you won't believe me, so just give it a shot and see for yourself.[/QUOTE]Yes folks its quite bad in one of our favorite destinations [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/record-hunger-philippines-covid-restrictions-051357664.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2510519]There are definitely some bargains to be had out there. I was offered half interest in a massage place for 200 k. If I had really trusted the seller, I would have invested and just taken the profits in trade.

200 k for a couple massages with extras a week forever does not sound to bad, if you really think you will get that.

Whatever you invest in this country be prepared to lose it, especially if it is a little on the shady side. Lots of locals will make up a story to get you deported so that they can keep your investment.[/QUOTE]Too bad. It seems like you passed upon a sure winner there. LOL. Legitimate business people do not ever invest in massage parlors, brothels, or bars with hookers. Since time immemorial, those businesses have always been controlled by the underworld.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511108]Too bad. It seems like you passed upon a sure winner there. LOL. Legitimate business people do not ever invest in massage parlors, brothels, or bars with hookers. Since time immemorial, those businesses have always been controlled by the underworld.[/QUOTE]She was very vague about what would be buying, what protection there was against competition, who would run the business etc. She would not say if the girls offered happy endings or how the business was protected from the police or official interference.

I never did find out how the building was owned, was it included in the business or just a lease?

All she would tell me was for my 200 k I could have half the profits from the place.

Had she offered me say 3 full service trips there a week for a year or two, I might have gone for it if the trust level was there.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2511161]She was very vague about what would be buying.[/QUOTE]This the Filipino way "vague" and it's unlikely the deal would have withstood your western inquisitiveness for business detail let along an engineers quest for detail!

Had a mate down in Mindanao offered a similar deal in an oyster farm. (oyster being the common thread with the massage business). He put money in and got zero out. Well he was never getting anything out and I think you realized that also.

Even getting the massage commitment would have been interesting as 'pre-paying' anything in Ph soon gets forgotten.

Many hopeful mongers currently sending cash will soon discover that cash this year does not equal pussy on arrival.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2511161]All she would tell me was for my 200 k I could have half the profits from the place.[/QUOTE]You should have taken it. 6 of my buddies and I have half shares too. We can't get there due to Covid but the Manager is sending us photos. Its great. We are just waiting for the profits to start pouring in.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2511161]

Had she offered me say 3 full service trips there a week for a year or two, I might have gone for it if the trust level was there.[/QUOTE]Why many are stuck on one or two girls who promise great service in exchange for money and help now?

Philippines will be a pussy paradise for a while. Just go there find, fuck, pay and leave. And repeat.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2511278]Why many are stuck on one or two girls who promise great service in exchange for money and help now?

Philippines will be a pussy paradise for a while. Just go there find, fuck, pay and leave. And repeat.[/QUOTE]Once upon a time, mongers just flew into town like Georgie Pudding-Pie fucked the girls and made them cry. Then after they sprayed, the mongers ran away. Now, mongers are showing up at the airport with flowers, iPhones, marriage proposals, the deeds to houses, and funding for business start-ups.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2511455]Now, mongers are showing up at the airport with flowers, iPhones, marriage proposals, the deeds to houses, and funding for business start-ups.[/QUOTE]Many are not even showing up at the airport.

"What's your PayPal honey? I have a gift for you".

G.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2511455]Once upon a time, mongers just flew into town like Georgie Pudding-Pie fucked the girls and made them cry. Then after they sprayed, the mongers ran away. Now, mongers are showing up at the airport with flowers, iPhones, marriage proposals, the deeds to houses, and funding for business start-ups.[/QUOTE]And just how many mongers are showing up at the airport now? The very few that are are going straight to quarantine facilities.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2511455]Once upon a time, mongers just flew into town like Georgie Pudding-Pie fucked the girls and made them cry. Then after they sprayed, the mongers ran away. Now, mongers are showing up at the airport with flowers, iPhones, marriage proposals, the deeds to houses, and funding for business start-ups.[/QUOTE]This clearly explains the attitude of girls these days. It is like the song ' what have you done for me lately '. Before although we were sex starved never lost the sense that getting sex either from a bargirl or regular girls is a business transaction where money changes hands after the deed. Never on the promise. Nowadays supply is the same and maybe due to social sites on the internet maybe much more who are willing to drop their panties. Mongers are love struck like the guy in Thailand hoping for love with a bargirl and throwing money away and still expecting for a miracle. Yes, it is true more and more men have found out about sex travel. Only thing they do not know is how to tackle the minefield of how to get cheap sex and not fall head over heels with the first girl who is pretending to be best friend, best companion and best sex.

True monger negotiates, gets the best sex cheap and never fall for scams and protects his money.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2511455]Once upon a time, mongers just flew into town like Georgie Pudding-Pie fucked the girls and made them cry. Then after they sprayed, the mongers ran away. Now, mongers are showing up at the airport with flowers, iPhones, marriage proposals, the deeds to houses, and funding for business start-ups.[/QUOTE]The crazier American girls get the more you will see marriage minded men visiting the Philippines.

I have been playing this game for almost 20 years, sent money 1 time unsolicited and never even met the girl in person.

I have chatted and listened to a couple of thousand women easy maybe more over the years. I have employed (legitimately) maybe 50 over the decades so I know them, their culture, their values and their mannerisms.

I have met maybe 400 and of them 10 that are equal to a smart educated western woman, actually maybe 8.

They view money and earning differently than us. They are like Jackals at a kill on the Savanh. You, the lioness did the work and you will get the most of the meat but they will take whatever and however they can and they won't owe you and they won't feel guilty. After all it was right there for the taking.

I have had 5 real Filipina GFs in addition to the staff they (Filipinas) even do this to each other but all white men are considered rich by default.

They have changed over the last 20 years though now they are far more bold and far more cunning with far less conscience and a big part of this is idiots who send money for nothing. Stop feeling guilty that you worked hard your whole life to earn what you have you earned it.

Most are sadly only ever to be fuck toys and as I age I struggle more and more with this. So treat them well, don't lie and there are still good physical results to be obtained and a rare gem exists. Sadly understand your little head will do most of the thinking so you will indeed fuck up the chance with a rare gem, we from the west have been conditioned for this unfortunately.

So don't ever expect a return on your money and every dollar you send make it worse over there.

I respect prostitutes they actually earn their money because they have to actually do something real and of value. But some person asking for money that does not actually have to feel your cock is a con artist. The first time they get money for nothing is very addictive. They tell allllll of their friends and its not about your great qualities or handsome face its about your stupidity.

Stop sending cash.

Make them actually earn it when you are there! Cash senders are fucking up the women in the Philippines and this is my happy place.

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2512366]
Stop sending cash.[/QUOTE]Agree. Let them work for the money at least a little bit. Even if it's for 5 or 8 minutes only, hehe.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2512366] Stop feeling guilty that you worked hard your whole life to earn what you have you earned it.
[/QUOTE]Hear, hear.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2512646]Agree. Let them work for the money at least a little bit. Even if it's for 5 or 8 minutes only, hehe.[/QUOTE]I thought 3 min max was the norm LOL.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2512366]Stop feeling guilty that you worked hard your whole life to earn what you have you earned it.[/QUOTE]I wish I knew how these people were getting money so that I could get some too. Mine is not as easy to come by for me to be giving it out like that.

Some chick in Dominican Republic just tried to run a sob story on me that she is worried about not being able to go to school next semester because she does not have the money. I told her that I understood her pain. I had to stop going for 6 years when I didn't have the money. Hard times are a part of life and I am not trying to be anyone's savior. Shit, I didn't get one. I got it out the mud. I was eating hot dogs and ramen noodles everyday. Because of hard work and fortitude I am about to tear into this prime rib as I write.

I have now lived and worked in this country for almost 20 years and have met an enormously diverse circle of people. I have met and worked with subsistence farmers with little to no education, who struggle every day to put food on the table. I've worked with extremely intelligent and capable university professors who have earned their doctorates abroad; with engineers, with scientists, with doctors and nurses as smart and capable as any professionals I've ever known. I've worked with hugely successful business people and with those for whom operating a hot dog stand would be a challenge. I know enormously successful people here, and folks from the middle class, and those for whom life has not been kind, and throughout all of those years, and all of those experiences and acquaintances, I've yet to formulate a generalization that would accurately characterize the entire country. Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2512855]

...

Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.[/QUOTE]The worst offenders are those who have only met the underbelly of society on Burgos Street or in AC. They then generalize those experiences to the rest of the country.

Most profound quote ever in the history of this board? Possibly. Either way, I can't wait to get to Burgos, Angeles, and perhaps retire in the country. The charm lies in the details here.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2512855]I have now lived and worked in this country for almost 20 years and have met an enormously diverse circle of people. I have met and worked with subsistence farmers with little to no education, who struggle every day to put food on the table. I've worked with extremely intelligent and capable university professors who have earned their doctorates abroad; with engineers, with scientists, with doctors and nurses as smart and capable as any professionals I've ever known. I've worked with hugely successful business people and with those for whom operating a hot dog stand would be a challenge. I know enormously successful people here, and folks from the middle class, and those for whom life has not been kind, and throughout all of those years, and all of those experiences and acquaintances, I've yet to formulate a generalization that would accurately characterize the entire country. Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2512874]The worst offenders are those who have only met the underbelly of society on Burgos Street or in AC. They then generalize those experiences to the rest of the country.[/QUOTE]I agree. Generalizing about an entire set of cultures and an entire country from random encounters with bar girls doesn't offer much in the way of insight.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2512855]I have now lived and worked in this country for almost 20 years and have met an enormously diverse circle of people. I have met and worked with subsistence farmers with little to no education, who struggle every day to put food on the table. I've worked with extremely intelligent and capable university professors who have earned their doctorates abroad; with engineers, with scientists, with doctors and nurses as smart and capable as any professionals I've ever known. I've worked with hugely successful business people and with those for whom operating a hot dog stand would be a challenge. I know enormously successful people here, and folks from the middle class, and those for whom life has not been kind, and throughout all of those years, and all of those experiences and acquaintances, I've yet to formulate a generalization that would accurately characterize the entire country. Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.[/QUOTE]Excellent, GE. You have a wealth of experience there! Nevertheless, I have learned a tremendous amount of cultural insights, particularly the mind of the Pinay, from watching you-tubers especially a a lady named Filipins Pea.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2512855]I have now lived and worked in this country for almost 20 years and have met an enormously diverse circle of people.......... Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.[/QUOTE]Perhaps the most intelligent and insightful post I have read in a long time.

I'll play Devil's advocate here. Yes, there's probably a trend towards exaggerating how consistently stereotypes apply across individuals. And I agree that statements to the effect that all Filipinas want or do or think X are wrong. If anyone says something like that, go ahead and call them out. But is that actually happening? Mostly people on this board are just sharing their thoughts and theories on patterns they have noticed within the specific group of people they have met in a specific area in a specific context (e. G. , bargirls in Angeles).

I think it's perfectly fine to propose ideas like "Americans are getting fatter", "Filipinos are largely uneducated," or "women prefer people-oriented jobs" and assume your reader is intelligent enough and cooperative enough to figure out what you mean. In other words, that there seems to be a pattern. We can then discuss whether its true and how broadly it applies. But if you are misreading that as a blanket statement about all people when that wasn't explicitly stated, then maybe you're the one with the problem (I. E. , lack of cooperativeness).

Do you really want board members to stick to bland statements that won't offend anyone, and end with pointless disclaimers like "Disclaimer: the opinions above are just my opinions. I could be wrong. I didn't not mean to offend. They are based on my experience. I have not met all Filipinos nor have I travelled to all parts of the country. When I say that I think there's a pattern, I don't mean that it applies to all individuals. I recognize that people differ and there are exceptions. ".

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2513092]I think it's perfectly fine to propose ideas like "Americans are getting fatter", "Filipinos are largely uneducated," or "women prefer people-oriented jobs" and assume your reader is intelligent enough and cooperative enough to figure out what you mean. In other words, that there seems to be a pattern.[/QUOTE]Of course there are patterns. And to ignore them would be asinine. I have been to over 100 countries and I am not prejudice against anyone. But it is impossible to ignore the traits. Every culture has certain general characteristics. If you can not see them then maybe you have been in the midst of them too long and can not see the forest because of the trees.

You are not running off to do business in PI the same way you would do in UK. To say that the critical thinking skills in Germany are the same as those in PI would be plain dumb. What Fortune 500 company is running over to PI getting them to engineer products and processes? None.

But there are companies running over there with tasks they are good at: telling them to follow this step by step. Just make a call to one of the call centers with a problem that is not in that book. They will either transfer you to a person in your country or you will be SOL.

Since March I have been trying to get money or credit for back from Hotelsdotcom because of a covid cancelation. The call center is in PI and for 9 months everytime I call I have been told to wait 48 hours or wait 7 more days and I will be contacted. Nobody has contacted me yet. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2513102]Of course there are patterns. And to ignore them would be asinine. I have been to over 100 countries and I am not prejudice against anyone. But it is impossible to ignore the traits. Every culture has certain general characteristics. If you can not see them then maybe you have been in the midst of them too long and can not see the forest because of the trees.

[/QUOTE]We generalize all the time, and it's OK. In fact it's a survival tool. Actually the very claim that those with a certain view of the PI are biased because of "too much underbelly interaction" in AC is, in fact, a generalization. Which is fully OK, that too. Perhaps there's something to that.

I have also lived in the PI and come across a wide range of IQs. Every country has its own distribution of IQ. The thing is the Philippines' average IQ is at least 10 points lower than most Western countries and more than 15 points below Japan, Korea etc. What we see in the Philippines is largely a result of that. When you're slipping below 80, it gets harder to run even a hot dog stand well, below 70 you cannot always even serve that hot dog properly to the buyer. With an average IQ a bit below 90 (or whatever it is now) Philippines will have an ample supply of below 80/70's.

Nothing wrong with that, but it will show in how the society works. This said I think the Filipinos are masters of working with whatever resources they have. And as for street smarts, most will win out over most westerners any day of the week.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2513128]And as for street smarts, most will win out over most westerners any day of the week.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Who is the greater fool? The uneducated pina or the "smart" westerners handing over their cash? Follow the money. 😁.

In Patts, I was chatting to a bar girl who was struggling to comprehend the rules of Connect4 but could name every vessel in the 7th Fleet and when their compliment will be in town next.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2510973]The only one which I think has a higher social ranking is Christian Filipina Dating. Any monger banged any hookers from that site yet? [URL]https://www.christianfilipina.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I signed up last night. Some lady just called me and said they didn't allow any fucking devils on the site.

Good morning. This is Janine from Christian Filipina. I have seen that you just join our side. And I am so excited to welcome you and help you find a love you deserve. Please give me a call back at 904-516-8924 and ask for Janine and so happy to take your call, but worried. This call will be absolutely free. Phone number is 860 sorry 904-516-8924. Thank you. You have a great day. Talk to you soon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2513269]I signed up last night. Some lady just called me and said they didn't allow any fucking devils on the site.
.[/QUOTE]How do you know? Even real religious Christians worship Devil. You should call and see if it is hand holding only for a year and proposal, marriage and then sex (not naked) . Maybe just lifting the skirt while rest of her body is fully covered.

Let us know. Let us know your experience in fucking a real Christian (By the way Philippines is 98 percent Christian). LOL.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2512855]I have now lived and worked in this country for almost 20 years and have met an enormously diverse circle of people. I have met and worked with subsistence farmers with little to no education, who struggle every day to put food on the table. I've worked with extremely intelligent and capable university professors who have earned their doctorates abroad; with engineers, with scientists, with doctors and nurses as smart and capable as any professionals I've ever known. I've worked with hugely successful business people and with those for whom operating a hot dog stand would be a challenge. I know enormously successful people here, and folks from the middle class, and those for whom life has not been kind, and throughout all of those years, and all of those experiences and acquaintances, I've yet to formulate a generalization that would accurately characterize the entire country. Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.[/QUOTE]You are sounding like a frustrated social anthropologist. There are far better sites than ISG to share your thoughts with fellow learned professorial types. I would add that as you have lived in an expat bubble for 20 years, it is you who has lost touch with the outside world.

Your constant defence of Filipinas and Philippines won't work as you're pitching to the wrong audience. This site is for horny mongers to exchange information on how they can find and fuck Filipina prostitutes on the cheap. It's called increasing their root conversion factor (RCF) hahaha.

All the generalizations that mongers make are correct as they apply to the prostitute class which is poor, uneducated and with little chance of getting out of the slums. The women in this category are all scammers, liars and cheats as that's how they can survive. They are all as dumb as fuck in terms of worldly knowledge. Mongers need to enter knowing these facts so that they don't get scammed. Every monger is viewed as a fat, rich whale ready for the slaughter.

This is no different to the top end of town as the rich in the Philippines are also scammers, liars and cheats. The Philippines did not get its deserved reputation as one of the most corrupt countries on the planet due to the honest and ethical behavior of the educated, political and entrepreneurial classes. The very circle you claim to mix in also has no morals. I would say these people are worse human beings as they actually have choices in life.

Your socialist leanings and admiration of Obama are well documented on this site. Let mongers get on with fucking hookers without trying to turn us all woke.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2513269]I signed up last night. Some lady just called me and said they didn't allow any fucking devils on the site.

Good morning. This is Janine from Christian Filipina. I have seen that you just join our side. And I am so excited to welcome you and help you find a love you deserve. Please give me a call back at 904-516-8924 and ask for Janine and so happy to take your call, but worried. This call will be absolutely free. Phone number is 860 sorry 904-516-8924. Thank you. You have a great day. Talk to you soon.[/QUOTE]So did you call Janine back? Have you met any hot Christian chicks yet?

Engine driver must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. To me GE is one of the most knowledgeable persons we have on this board. He is articulate and has many years of boots on the ground in Phil. He is not a 24 x7 sex machine because he has found someone he wants as a long term partner so that's not a problem is it? ED is certainly entitled to his opinion,but I value GE's opinions and look forward to reading any posts he sends our way. Please no war of words. Just my opinion expressed here as well.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2513543]Engine driver must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. To me GE is one of the most knowledgeable persons we have on this board. He is articulate and has many years of boots on the ground in Phil. He is not a 24 x7 sex machine because he has found someone he wants as a long term partner so that's not a problem is it? ED is certainly entitled to his opinion,but I value GE's opinions and look forward to reading any posts he sends our way. Please no war of words. Just my opinion expressed here as well.[/QUOTE]GE is a long time poster in this forum. He has posted balanced reports. His knowledge of Philippines is enormous. He has willingly helped many of the mongers with good girls he knows. He is not looking for donations but just helping guys to have fun.

And as for he is not a 24/7 sex machine it is debatable LOL.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2513477]So did you call Janine back? Have you met any hot Christian chicks yet?[/QUOTE]Shit man. I am looking for a way to delete the account but I do not see one. Those people have called me 4 times since the first call. 3 other times yesterday and once today. Covid must have them really desperate for money. I think it is like US $280 to talk to chicks on that site.

I had this is Venus from Christian Filipina. I'm calling you today because I see that you've already received a lot of wings and just to name a few months. It's so there's Wings coming from the lady's named JC Grace, and I would like to talk with you about ways to respond to this lady's to create wage better connection with them is this sounds interesting to you. I would love to hear back from you. Please give me a call back at 904-516-8925 or just ask for Eunice, and I will be so happy to take your call. And don't worry. This call will be absolutely free. And I'd also like to offer you a complimentary orientation session for you to become more successful with your search.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2513543]Engine driver must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. To me GE is one of the most knowledgeable persons we have on this board. He is articulate and has many years of boots on the ground in Phil. He is not a 24 x7 sex machine because he has found someone he wants as a long term partner so that's not a problem is it? ED is certainly entitled to his opinion,but I value GE's opinions and look forward to reading any posts he sends our way. Please no war of words. Just my opinion expressed here as well.[/QUOTE]GE said ¨ Yet the many of those writing here, who purport to have profound insights into this country of 7,000 + islands, hundreds of cultures and more than 100 languages appear to have it all figured out. The fact that what you say is largely nonsense doesn't appear to matter.¨

That is bound to touch some nerves.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2513543]Engine driver must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. To me GE is one of the most knowledgeable persons we have on this board. ...[/QUOTE]Personally, I get perverse enjoyment from the cat fights. They add personality and flavour to the board.

I like to think that I'm adult enough to realise that no one side is 100% wrong nor right. I've certainly disagreed with and learnt things from both GE and ED.

I'd hate to return to the recent past where anyone expressing an opinion or personality was immediately redacted or banned.

Box on! G.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2513577]

That is bound to touch some nerves.[/QUOTE]Pretty rude, actually.

If you have a comfy NGO-type salaried job, maybe you can sing Cumbayah all day and go full woke. In my experience it's not a winning strategy in PH if you are spending your own money.

That word salad could be applicable to many diverse countries on earth.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2513381]You are sounding like a frustrated social anthropologist. There are far better sites than ISG to share your thoughts with fellow learned professorial types. I would add that as you have lived in an expat bubble for 20 years, it is you who has lost touch with the outside world.

This is no different to the top end of town as the rich in the Philippines are also scammers, liars and cheats. The Philippines did not get its deserved reputation as one of the most corrupt countries on the planet due to the honest and ethical behavior of the educated, political and entrepreneurial classes. The very circle you claim to mix in also has no morals. I would say these people are worse human beings as they actually have choices in life.[/QUOTE]Folks don't like to hear this, but this is the root cause of many of the ills you see not only in the PI but in other nations including our own. Those who supposedly "know better" really don't and wind up screwing those below them all the while blaming it on someone else. It just so happens that in the USA we have a large enough base of "regular folks" who can sort of make up for bad decisions made by those who supposedly knew better and we can bounce back.

The richest man in the world used to be a Mexican national who owned the phone lines into Mexico, and got his fortunes from those who fled to other countries to find work, and wire money back to Mexico. Heck he even owns one of those prepaid phone companies in the USA. This guy is a billionaire, yet you don't really see him stepping up to helping fighting the corruption down there since that would eat into his business model. Same could be said for the PI. Look at those who own the export agencies for sending foreign workers overseas as well as the remittance companies and see where they fall on the socio-economic ladder, and what they have been doing to foster more economic growth. Heck Imelda had closets full of shoes that are bigger than some of the places people live whom she supposedly is looking out for. Clean up the corruption at the top, maybe it will trickle down and some of the more regular folks would get a chance, but I seriously doubt it. The PI is what it is, and the women (and men) will find a way to separate a fool and his money any time. That being said, it is up to the "fool" to determine how much he is willing to give up, instead of trying to change a society.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2513697]Pretty rude, actually.

If you have a comfy NGO-type salaried job, maybe you can sing Cumbayah all day and go full woke. In my experience it's not a winning strategy in PH if you are spending your own money.

That word salad could be applicable to many diverse countries on earth.[/QUOTE]These NGO-types get unlimited BBFSCIP, BBFSCIA, and BBBJCIMWS just for handing out donated food packets and clean water to desperate native women. Attractive 18 to 26 years-old native women are regularly referred to the "extra food tent."

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2514045]These NGO-types get unlimited BBFSCIP, BBFSCIA, and BBBJCIMWS just for handing out donated food packets and clean water to desperate native women. Attractive 18 to 26 years-old native women are regularly referred to the "extra food tent."[/QUOTE]Isn't it rather ironic that a couple of NGO do-gooder types on cushy salaries come onto a prostitution site and tell mongers on the Philippines thread what they can and can't do? All while fucking the very girls they have been sent to save and preaching about the virtues of socialism. What would their governments and generous donors who pay their salaries think?

Please send me the invite to the canonization of GE. I shall book my tickets to Rome now.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2514045]These NGO-types get unlimited BBFSCIP, BBFSCIA, and BBBJCIMWS just for handing out donated food packets and clean water to desperate native women. Attractive 18 to 26 years-old native women are regularly referred to the "extra food tent."[/QUOTE]It's easy to be holier when the holes come for free.

The baddest SUV in the brothel parking lot is often paid for by the tax payers and squishy donors in the West.

CM draws once again on his vast social anthropological field experience to report on the truths that NGO workers don't want you to know about.

But NGOs can be a lot more fun than he suggests. There were interesting stories coming out of the UK a few years ago about the Middle Eastern and North African refugees in tent camps at the French end of the Chunnel. Seems that adventurous British women were traveling to the Calais camps under the guise of volunteering for NGOs, but were actually there to exercise their jungle fever with men and boys (including those in their tender teen years) from the Middle East and North Africa. Why rain on a parade like that?

[URL]https://www.iol.co.za/travel/world/british-women-go-to-calais-jungle-for-sex-2071956[/URL]

It's also true that Oxfam had a huge scandal from its workers sexually exploiting the locals amidst the onslaught of NGOs that took over Haiti following the 2010 earthquake. Oxfam was founded by Oxford Quakers to relieve famine in Greece during World War II. So maybe the problem isn't the NGOs, it's those damn Brits.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2514172]CM draws once again on his vast social anthropological field experience to report on the truths that NGO workers don't want you to know about.

But NGOs can be a lot more fun than he suggests. There were interesting stories coming out of the UK a few years ago about the Middle Eastern and North African refugees in tent camps at the French end of the Chunnel. Seems that adventurous British women were traveling to the Calais camps under the guise of volunteering for NGOs, but were actually there to exercise their jungle fever with men and boys (including those in their tender teen years) from the Middle East and North Africa. Why rain on a parade like that?

[URL]https://www.iol.co.za/travel/world/british-women-go-to-calais-jungle-for-sex-2071956[/URL]

It's also true that Oxfam had a huge scandal from its workers sexually exploiting the locals amidst the onslaught of NGOs that took over Haiti following the 2010 earthquake. Oxfam was founded by Oxford Quakers to relieve famine in Greece during World War II. So maybe the problem isn't the NGOs, it's those damn Brits.[/QUOTE]How did this discussion evolve into a talk about NGOs? They're fucking hotter girls for free than what mongers are paying for. Is that something you guys like to delve into?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2514261]How did this discussion evolve into a talk about NGOs? They're fucking hotter girls for free than what mongers are paying for.[/QUOTE]Where do I sign up?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2514261]How did this discussion evolve into a talk about NGOs? They're fucking hotter girls for free than what mongers are paying for. Is that something you guys like to delve into?[/QUOTE]The West have been helping out LBFMs for decades.

Previously they were saved from the rampaging Communists and given some good 'ol GI dick to sucky fucky.

Now they are being lifted out of starvation and poverty with Euro stick included. If they are lucky the girls might get to ride in a big new Toyota Landcruiser or visit a $5000/ mo condo.

I bet MSF are making the use of CoVid and the vaccine rollout to ensure hot 19 yos make it to the front of the queue.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=RollAides;2514759]Where do I sign up?[/QUOTE]The pay sucks but the benefits are great. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2514794]The pay sucks but the benefits are great. LOL.[/QUOTE]Not always. My first job that reliably earned well into the 6 figures was with the UN.

And it was tax free at the time too.

How are Indians treated in PH (by local girls)?

Is it same like TH?

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2520865]How are Indians treated in PH (by local girls)?

Is it same like TH?[/QUOTE]Depends on the guy and the girl. A lot of Indian guys are sending those chicks big money.

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2520865]How are Indians treated in PH (by local girls)?

Is it same like TH?[/QUOTE]As a 'class' of monger, Indians do seem to get branded rather harshly. I know some girls will not see Indian nationals.

Here in Australia, local working girls will often include a statement "No Indians" on their advert.

From my limited experience in Bangalore, the local working girl scene works entirely different to the way Ph and western countries work.

[QUOTE=Speed2487;2520865]How are Indians treated in PH (by local girls)?

Is it same like TH?[/QUOTE]In AC and Cebu, the girls certainly know of the poor reputation of Indians. Always bargaining or rude and abusive behavior. In the provinces, the girls would never have met an Indian, so their reputations would not have preceded them.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2520970]In AC and Cebu, the girls certainly know of the poor reputation of Indians. [/QUOTE]I have a good WG friend in Cebu City. She met with an older Indian guy in Lapu Lapu a few months ago. Before the meeting he specified that he wanted bareback anal. She doubled the price and he agreed. She brought lube and used it liberally but his cock was so fat that it tore her rectum. Poor girl left the room bleeding and took about a month to fully recover. She has sworn off Indians no matter what the money.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2521208]I have a good WG friend in Cebu City. She met with an older Indian guy in Lapu Lapu a few months ago. Before the meeting he specified that he wanted bareback anal. She doubled the price and he agreed. She brought lube and used it liberally but his cock was so fat that it tore her rectum. Poor girl left the room bleeding and took about a month to fully recover. She has sworn off Indians no matter what the money.[/QUOTE]A torn rectum is an occupational hazard for a hooker who provides BBFSCIA. Can't say I blame the client. She agreed to his terms.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2521208]I have a good WG friend in Cebu City. She met with an older Indian guy in Lapu Lapu a few months ago. Before the meeting he specified that he wanted bareback anal. She doubled the price and he agreed. She brought lube and used it liberally but his cock was so fat that it tore her rectum. Poor girl left the room bleeding and took about a month to fully recover. She has sworn off Indians no matter what the money.[/QUOTE]Ouch. Sounds like it wasn't a nationality issue. She probably should've just said no anal when it hurt so bad and reduce back to original price or just decline altogether. Poor girl.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2521208]I have a good WG friend in Cebu City. She met with an older Indian guy in Lapu Lapu a few months ago. Before the meeting he specified that he wanted bareback anal. She doubled the price and he agreed. She brought lube and used it liberally but his cock was so fat that it tore her rectum. Poor girl left the room bleeding and took about a month to fully recover. She has sworn off Indians no matter what the money.[/QUOTE]She was lucky. At least there were not 20+ other Indian / Pakistani guys in the room waiting for their turn.

Pinays are fairly naive in sex. My advice, unfortunately, was for them to avoid south Asians. Odds are higher something will go wrong or will get treated badly or without care. I just don't like the groups constant talking and upsell. It is funny when you help pinays pick up guys or communicate with their BF.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2521387]She was lucky. At least there were not 20+ other Indian / Pakistani guys in the room waiting for their turn.

Pinays are fairly naive in sex. My advice, unfortunately, was for them to avoid south Asians. Odds are higher something will go wrong or will get treated badly or without care. I just don't like the groups constant talking and upsell. It is funny when you help pinays pick up guys or communicate with their BF.[/QUOTE]This has sadly happened too many times and even if you warn them they will still go. Some get wise but I know 4 pinays this happened to. And as NG will know the Arabs are also good at that trick (a few stores from Dubai also).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2521252]A torn rectum is an occupational hazard for a hooker who provides BBFSCIA. Can't say I blame the client. She agreed to his terms.[/QUOTE]Who paid the medical expenses incurred to have her torn rectum stitched up so she could shit normally again? Was she compensated for loss of income during her convalescence? If so, who provided this compensation? The Indian client may have been negligent in his failure to warn the hooker that he had a "fat cock" during negotiation of the terms of anal intercourse. If he rammed her tight asshole with wild abandon and intent to cause emotional distress, there are grounds for an intentional tort. The Indian client's tortious acts and his cock were the proximate cause of the Pinay hooker's ripped asshole. She has good grounds for suing the tortfeasor for the injuries and damages suffered.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2521990]Who paid the medical expenses incurred to have her torn rectum stitched up so she could shit normally again? Was she compensated for loss of income during her convalescence? If so, who provided this compensation? The Indian client may have been negligent in his failure to warn the hooker that he had a "fat cock" during negotiation of the terms of anal intercourse. If he rammed her tight asshole with wild abandon and intent to cause emotional distress, there are grounds for an intentional tort. The Indian client's tortious acts and his cock were the proximate cause of the Pinay hooker's ripped asshole. She has good grounds for suing the tortfeasor for the injuries and damages suffered.[/QUOTE]Dear Chocha Monger Esq, thank you for your learned opinion. We are grateful. Unfortunately, as prostitution is an illegal act in the Philippines, there is no legal remedy in this case.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2521990]Who paid the medical expenses incurred to have her torn rectum stitched up so she could shit normally again? [/QUOTE]I've never ripped a hookers arsehole into mince meat but I have inadvertantly hospitalized a couple, mostly through alcohol poisoning of 75 lb newbies. I never saw any claims or threats. Strangely, those that I did see again were quite happy I returned. Some even apologised for disturbing my night.

Go figure. 🤔.

G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2522289]Dear Chocha Monger Esq, thank you for your learned opinion. We are grateful. Unfortunately, as prostitution is an illegal act in the Philippines, there is no legal remedy in this case.[/QUOTE]Dear Engine Driver Esq. Thank you for your unlearned opinion. The fact that prostitution is illegal in the Phillipines is irrelevant. Legal remedies do exist. Armchair lawyers always amuse me.

[QUOTE=Python75;2522401]Dear Engine Driver Esq. Thank you for your unlearned opinion. The fact that prostitution is illegal in the Phillipines is irrelevant. Legal remedies do exist. Armchair lawyers always amuse me.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha. Dear Sir, it's called friendly banter. Don't take everything so seriously. I'm sure Chocha will be back with his acerbic wit.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2521840]This has sadly happened too many times and even if you warn them they will still go. Some get wise but I know 4 pinays this happened to. And as NG will know the Arabs are also good at that trick (a few stores from Dubai also).[/QUOTE]I did not think it was SOP until it started appearing in movies and I started talking to more girls over the years.

I am slow to catch on. I heard of abduction, beating, none payment and other stuff with Indians and Pakisrtanis. It is understandable if you visit their countries and learn and hear more.

Arabs and Africans are a wide group but I have heard some stories too. I know when some are out of country, their behavior do no change.

Before an anal tear, a girl would be in excruciating pain and most likely screaming and resisting. I fail to see how one could continue.

As for non payment as in "eat and run" MO, I have seen that with US military personnel. Our military have done worse and have gotten away with in several conflicts over the decades. Some are haunted and openly admit it. Even when convicted in recent conflicts, they might get presidential pardons. What is sad is that it is usually the white dudes doing the eat and run at restaurants and with prostitutes. In the cases I saw, police were never called. In one case, it would change to rpea if police were involved.

I am currently talking to one Filipina who is offered financial support from an Indian guy in exchange for sex. It is interesting because she is considering it because her friend is going out with one. I know the Japanese and Koreans are much more generous. With nice accommodations included.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2522548]I am slow to catch on. I heard of abduction, beating, none payment and other stuff with Indians and Pakisrtanis. It is understandable if you visit their countries and learn and hear more.

Arabs and Africans are a wide group but I have heard some stories too. I know when some are out of country, their behavior do no change.[/QUOTE]All of those countries (and Japan and Korea) are male dominated and women have limited rights. Prostitutes are considered sub-human in those countries, they have no social status, so are fair game for abuse. The few cases of Pinay and Thai hookers being surprised in the room by six men looking for group action are blown out of proportion. The vast majority of mongers don't behave like that. The isolated cases take a life of their own over time. Most girls on the dating sites tell me that it's the old white blokes who are the problem, constantly sending them unsolicited dick pics and harassing them for sex in the opening line.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2522548]Before an anal tear, a girl would be in excruciating pain and most likely screaming and resisting. I fail to see how one could continue.[/QUOTE]We only have a hooker's word for what happened. They have been known to embellish their stories and generally don't make credible witnesses.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2522548]I know the Japanese and Koreans are much more generous. With nice accommodations included.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. In all my time in AC over the years, I found the Koreans were no better or no worse payers than anyone else. It's a myth to say that the Koreans pay the most. Their salaries are a lot less than in the West and most are just normal salary men sticking to their limited budgets. Girls will tell you what you want to hear. In Puerto Galera, the vast majority of Koreans were young kids in the 18-25 age group on their party tours. These kids were not exactly rich. The most generous mongers are westerners in the 40-60 year age group and they adopt the father figure role with the girls.

As Mr E mentioned recently, and in discussion with various girls, and having seen them in action, the Indians don't hesitate to spend big. I have seen them party in Makati like you would not believe. The girls with them were not exactly complaining. We only hear of the lower end Indians sharing one beer amongst four people in Pattaya, but know nothing of the high end. During this pandemic, many are sending large amounts of money to Pinay and Thai girls, with no prospect of any return.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2522687]All of those countries (and Japan and Korea) are male dominated and women have limited rights. Prostitutes are considered sub-human in those countries, they have no social status, so are fair game for abuse. The few cases of Pinay and Thai hookers being surprised in the room by six men looking for group action are blown out of proportion. The vast majority of mongers don't behave like that. The isolated cases take a life of their own over time. Most girls on the dating sites tell me that it's the old white blokes who are the problem, constantly sending them unsolicited dick pics and harassing them for sex in the opening line.

We only have a hooker's word for what happened. They have been known to embellish their stories and generally don't make credible witnesses.

Not necessarily. In all my time in AC over the years, I found the Koreans were no better or no worse payers than anyone else. It's a myth to say that the Koreans pay the most. Their salaries are a lot less than in the West and most are just normal salary men sticking to their limited budgets. Girls will tell you what you want to hear. In Puerto Galera, the vast majority of Koreans were young kids in the 18-25 age group on their party tours. These kids were not exactly rich. The most generous mongers are westerners in the 40-60 year age group and they adopt the father figure role with the girls.

As Mr E mentioned recently, and in discussion with various girls, and having seen them in action, the Indians don't hesitate to spend big. I have seen them party in Makati like you would not believe. The girls with them were not exactly complaining. We only hear of the lower end Indians sharing one beer amongst four people in Pattaya, but know nothing of the high end. During this pandemic, many are sending large amounts of money to Pinay and Thai girls, with no prospect of any return.[/QUOTE]As a rule, LBFMs will always tell a prospective client that the other monger paid much more. They do this in the hopes of sparking a bidding war and increasing their profits. Hence, they will claim that the other monger sends them P50,000 monthly for chitchat and no roots. Do not fall for the scam. Stick to a fair offer to be paid only after BBFSCIP, BBFSCIA, and BBBBJCIMWS.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2522687]All of those countries (and Japan and Korea) are male dominated and women have limited rights. Prostitutes are considered sub-human in those countries, they have no social status, so are fair game for abuse. The few cases of Pinay and Thai hookers being surprised in the room by six men looking for group action are blown out of proportion. The vast majority of mongers don't behave like that. The isolated cases take a life of their own over time. Most girls on the dating sites tell me that it's the old white blokes who are the problem, constantly sending them unsolicited dick pics and harassing them for sex in the opening line.

We only have a hooker's word for what happened. They have been known to embellish their stories and generally don't make credible witnesses.

Not necessarily. In all my time in AC over the years, I found the Koreans were no better or no worse payers than anyone else. It's a myth to say that the Koreans pay the most. Their salaries are a lot less than in the West and most are just normal salary men sticking to their limited budgets. Girls will tell you what you want to hear. In Puerto Galera, the vast majority of Koreans were young kids in the 18-25 age group on their party tours. These kids were not exactly rich. The most generous mongers are westerners in the 40-60 year age group and they adopt the father figure role with the girls..[/QUOTE]Male dominated societies are a lot worse elsewhere. Maybe I could be part of the problem. But I believe I treat women better than most.

As for abduction and surprised by a group of 6 plus men, I just see more from Indian and Pakistani. Even though they are a small percentage of the population at the locations. Because of legal issues, many go unreported. Like the situations in their country. The Indian girl who got raped on a bus and the young girls found dumped in the trash. Google is your friend if you want to learn more.

As for Japanese and Korean, based on what I see, they setup the planpen very generously. I am jealous because I have seen or heard some similar setups around the world.

As for your South Asian big spenders, I know some. Best to avoid them, for the bar girls too. I am not sure their words or a hookers word are more believable.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2522906]As a rule, LBFMs will always tell a prospective client that the other monger paid much more. They do this in the hopes of sparking a bidding war and increasing their profits. Hence, they will claim that the other monger sends them P50,000 monthly for chitchat and no roots. Do not fall for the scam. Stick to a fair offer to be paid only after BBFSCIP, BBFSCIA, and BBBBJCIMWS.[/QUOTE]Coca Cola is more expensive in the USA than in India. What is a fair price? Do we need a shot caller? Fair price to cum in their faces or else?

Here in civilised land. I can hire a half dead hooker for an hour or a tradesman for a day. One does a good job; the other send her money home to Trike man.

Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]Is this a real romantic meeting hoping for a long term GF/Wife relationship?

Or just for sex?

Just what are your intentions here?

Information about you. Age? Physical shape? Income level?

Need these answered first before anyone can give you any valid advice.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]
Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

[/QUOTE]The girls are very skilled at pretending to be good girls for a newbie and you may find it difficult to recognize the signs. In cases like these I always recommend getting others more familiar to make the assessment. Local girls and guys will know within seconds of meeting her where she stands in the hierarchy:

Does she gravitate naturally and speak freely with "normal girls" or are all her friends hookers with western boyfriends. Who does she speak to and who will talk to her during your stay? Is she comfortable sitting inside a bar? Does she instinctively know where the CR (restroom) is, how to order food and a drink? Can she recommend nice restaurants or how to get back to the hotel? Is she familiar with western menus? Does she know where all the ATMs are and how Western Union transfers work?

Frankly, her suggesting Angeles as a meeting point isn't a good sign. It's an absolute shit hole that westerners only go to to get drunk and fuck hookers. No decent pina would be caught dead in the red light areas (yes there are civilian areas of town too but very few western facilities there).

The ABC is an over the top experience based hotel. Again, designed for mongers to entertain whorres not Fred to meet Sally. Great place if you are looking for in room stripper poles and 5 person jacuzzis. Watch how the girl reacts: hookers have a laugh and love it, a good girl will be appalled.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]I don't mean to be a buzz kill here, but a genuinely good / innocent girl is absolutely not going to meet & stay with a foreigner during their first meeting at his hotel, especially in AC. Although I've never been to AC before, the reputation is well known most everyone.

The genuinely good Pinays that 99% of us foreigners never meet are actually quite conservative and wouldn't be caught dead entering a hotel with a foreign man who is not her husband, ESPECIALLY IN AC. She would most likely insist that you go to her hometown and meet the family. It's only when they migrate to the major cities that they become more liberal.

Maybe that doesn't apply in 100% of all cases, but that's been my overall experience in PI.

Just be careful and think with your big head first. Don't blindly trust that everything she says is true, and watch her actions and how she reacts to other people.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]Goferring's advice is sound, and I suggest you follow it. ABC is, as one respondent commented, an over-the-top pleasure palace designed for guys who want to spend time playing with hookers in Angeles, and its rooms and facilities are designed for this sole purpose. No "good" girl would want to be caught dead there, though I can tell you from extensive personal experience that hookers love the place. As also stated by others, the fact that your girl suggested Angeles as a meeting place should likely be construed as a red flag. The reputation of the place is well known throughout the Philippines and unless she's been spending her formative years in a convent, there's no possibility she would be unaware of this fact. I'the also caution you that two weeks is a grossly insufficient amount of time to decide on whether you've met a girl you want to bring back to the US. No one with zero in-country experience and who has never before met a girl should be making this kind of decision in so short a time. This is not Disneyland, she's not Snow White, and you are not her Prince, so disabuse yourself of fairytale fantasies. I know that sounds harsh, but in my almost two decades here I have watched more guys than I can count willingly dive headfirst into situations that did not turn out well.

If you must meet in Angeles, and want to avoid the more tawdry areas of town (and people), you might want to consider booking somewhere in Clark, which is at least somewhat removed from hooker central and may be more prone to attract "normal" people.

I don't mean to disparage Angeles. It's a great playground and I've enjoyed countless happy days there, most of them at the ABC Hotel. But Angeles is what it is and not, in my opinion a place to pursue a "serious" relationship.

GE.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]You my friend, are what in known among the working women in AC as a "Cherry Boy. " Take the advice of others, if you go there don't get caught up in the hype. She may be a nice girl but the odds are against you in that. Not saying she is a bad person per se, but more than likely you are not going to be the first person she does this to.

If I were you, I would work it this way. Tell her you will be there on the 15th, and actually plan to arrive on the 13th. Just do a walk around of the area and see if you see her out and about. Also, when you get there don't tell her and just contact her a little off the time arraigned and see if she can meet you.

Better yet, just spend your time in Manila the first time, to get you in the know on what it's like in the PI and then maybe venture down to AC later.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well..[/QUOTE]Come to your Pinay sirens. Follow your dick. You need to be fked over. That is why you are here. You will be a senior member here in ten years and you see an dispense advice. You need to be led around, like a goat at Ramadan, and feel the steel blades slice into you. You are an extra Jesus, here to feed the multitude with your flesh and blood. You might enjoy the Crucifixion at San Fernando, if your wallet holds out that long.

If I send you my details, can you wire me 10,000 pesos in real money? I ask as if everyone else is going to get a piece of you, so should I.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?.[/QUOTE]In case you've been living in a cave for the past 13 months, we are in the middle of a pandemic, so how exactly are you going to get to the Philippines by March? Without going into the poor character of Filipinas and their families which others have discussed in detail, let me give you a few other points to think about.

1. If super rich countries like the US and the UK can't get the Wuhan virus under control, what chance does the Philippines, a dirt poor country have? Do you think they can vaccinate millions of people by March so that you can enter the country?

2. The borders are closed for tourists. Unless you have a diplomatic passport or own a business in the Philippines, mongers are not being welcomed.

3. Does your girlfriend have a passport? If not, there are a number of important documents which she must gather before applying. Poor Filipinas have a lot of trouble collecting the necessary paperwork. If she already has a passport, then more alarm bells should be ringing.

4. Does your girlfriend have a visa to the US? I assume she will be travelling on a tourist visa. Is the US Embassy in Manila currently processing tourist visas for girlfriends of mongers? Don't think they won't know your or her intentions.

5. Are you prepared to take all financial liability for your girl while she is in the US?

In my rich country, we only have 13 virus cases today, yet our Secretary of the Health Department (Federal) says no one will be travelling overseas until 2022. I think you should stick to cam shows with your girl and one-handed typing for the time being.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]I just assume you are having a dig at the forum members.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.

I was thinking of staying at the ABC hotel in Angeles City. Any suggestions about where else to stay and information on Angeles City?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Any travel agent recommendations would also be helpful.

Hopefully the travel restrictions will be lifted by March so I can travel.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]I am sure the girl known about Angeles city and it's reputation. Definitely if she lives an hour and half bus ride. Do not know why she would want to meet you there rather than Manila.

Do not get all excited about bringing her to America the girl you still have not met. You might have chatted on cam but in person girls look different. Go slow and do not promise anything. I would suggest get to know her and make couple of more trips before you decide.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2523372]Goferring's advice is sound, and I suggest you follow it. ABC is, as one respondent commented, an over-the-top pleasure palace designed for guys who want to spend time playing with hookers in Angeles, and its rooms and facilities are designed for this sole purpose. No "good" girl would want to be caught dead there, though I can tell you from extensive personal experience that hookers love the place. As also stated by others, the fact that your girl suggested Angeles as a meeting place should likely be construed as a red flag. The reputation of the place is well known throughout the Philippines and unless she's been spending her formative years in a convent, there's no possibility she would be unaware of this fact. I'the also caution you that two weeks is a grossly insufficient amount of time to decide on whether you've met a girl you want to bring back to the US. No one with zero in-country experience and who has never before met a girl should be making this kind of decision in so short a time. This is not Disneyland, she's not Snow White, and you are not her Prince, so disabuse yourself of fairytale fantasies. I know that sounds harsh, but in my almost two decades here I have watched more guys than I can count willingly dive headfirst into situations that did not turn out well.

If you must meet in Angeles, and want to avoid the more tawdry areas of town (and people), you might want to consider booking somewhere in Clark, which is at least somewhat removed from hooker central and may be more prone to attract "normal" people.

I don't mean to disparage Angeles. It's a great playground and I've enjoyed countless happy days there, most of them at the ABC Hotel. But Angeles is what it is and not, in my opinion a place to pursue a "serious" relationship.

GE.[/QUOTE]Concur. I did one of the lovely girls that worked there some years ago. A real sexy fun one that represented the place well. Nice swimming pool and overall ambience.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time? Since we will be meeting at a very nice hotel, which I choose, I believe that it is safer than going to where she lives.[/QUOTE]My experiences and thoughts are much different than everybody elses. I have met several chicks in AC that are not hookers. And they came to the room. And we fucked. And all that other stuff that some seem to think good girls are not going to do. I mean the litmus test is easy. Chick expects money from you, then to me she is not a normal chick.

A few months back I was reading in a facebook group a guy in Pattaya asking how much he should give his girlfriend every month to stay with him. There were guys chiming in that they give their wife x amount or they give their girlfriend x amount. Then there were the smart guys that said if you have to give her money then she is not your fucking girlfriend. Eventually the guy reported back saying he had told her that he would give her like $300 per month or whatever and the chick told him to go fuck himself because that was not enough money. Easy test, was it not? No idea what would make this guy think a chick he was paying was his girlfriend.

A few years ago I reported on a normal chick in AC that came to the hotel, bought me dinner, fucked me well, and stayed until the next morning. Two years ago that same chick came to Pattaya on vacation with her own money and I picked her up from her hotel and took her sightseeeing.

I also find it funny that guys would suggest staying in a different area as if somehow if the chicks realize hookers exist on this planet then that will extinguish their interest in you. Hell, they will probably become even more interested in you. There is no reason to hide and act blind to what is going on in the city. Jump right into it. I have been with regular chicks that have wanted me to take them inside of hooker bars and discos to see what it is like. You are in the car with your girl and you drive past some hookers, you fucking point them out. You do not act like they are invisible.

People can coexist no matter their ocupation. I was in the Dominican Republic last month with a Venezuelan girlfriend (we did not go together; it was coincidence we were there at the same time) of mine that had never been there. We were in the area where all the hookers are. They were walking back and forth peacocking while we were drinking at a bar. She mentioned how pretty the Dominican chicks' hair is. I told her it was not their real hair. She swore it was so I stopped a random hooker that was walking by and asked how much she paid for her hair. She said $200. I said see, told ya. Then they went on to have a conversation and the hooker told her how most Dominicans with hair like that it is not their real hair. So who the hell cares if their are hookers around. Nobody! Stop being so damn ashamed for no reason.

The only red flag that I see is her suggesting you meet in another city whether it be AC or anywhere else. In my experience chicks want you to show up at their front door. They never offer to meet you in another city no matter how deep into the sticks they live. I would say that is usually done at the suggestion of the foreigner. Maybe some guys that ship chicks to the city they are in can chime in on this.

The only circumstances that you should invite that lady to your house in the USA are if she is paying her own way and she is able to get her own visa. Other than that, you leave the rides at the amusement park.

ViperF33.

Don't let them pxss on your parade.

Angeles City is much bigger than the bars. Foreigners only know of the bargirl areas. Filipinos know of the Filipino areas. ABC Hotel would send the wrong message for you. I suggest the Park Inn Radisson Clark Hotel for you. About US $100 a night. It is next to SM Clark Mall. Book it for a couple of nights to see if it works out for you. If it does then stay longer or you can move to other hotels. SM Mall has plenty of dining options and stores to walk around. You should get a good feel for her and decide what to do.

While in AC have her suggest things to do there. You will get an idea if she has been there or not.

Byw, Park Inn is close to the Dau bus station where she would arrive at. Short trike ride to the hotel.

[QUOTE=DCups;2523478]Concur. I did one of the lovely girls that worked there some years ago. A real sexy fun one that represented the place well. Nice swimming pool and overall ambience.[/QUOTE]A slight side story:

A buddy and I were sitting in the old pool bar area pre Tower 2 or what ever the new block is called. We struck up a conversation with a liquor importer. A bit older but still had her looks and very smart. We asked about the waitresses working at the bar. She said those jobs were very sought after and the prettiest girls competed for them as they were exposed to many love struck Romeos and a sure ticket to a marriage and Visa. Very pretty girls at the time.

Enjoy. G.

Thank you for all of the replies. I have been following this girl on Facebook and social media for a few months. She has a college degree in secondary education and has many photos that were taken years ago while she was in college. I also looked at her friends Facebook profiles to verify the information. The posts she has on Facebook were made well before I started talking to her. The social media information I see lead me to believe that she most likely is a legitimate person who is looking for a long term relationship and wants to be a school teacher in the US.

I understand the concerns about Angeles City. However, she actually told me we could meet in Clark and did not say Angeles City. I suggested the ABC hotel after looking on websites. The reason she did not want to meet in Manila initially is because she wants to be closer to her home in the event things do not work out. She told me that until I meet her family she could only stay with me for a couple of days. In fact she wants to bring her sister with her the first time we meet. She and her sister are three years apart and are very close.

I have only sent her around $200.00 to help her pay for internet so we could talk each day. She does not ask for money and she calls and video chats with me several times each day.

Since I want to go to the Philippines to visit anyway I really don't have much to lose. I just want to make sure I won't be harmed and that is why I want to meet her in a hotel that I book.

Based on the responses received I will not book the ABC Hotel and will look into hotels others have suggested. I have no problem paying $200 per night if the hotel is nice and safe.

I understand that 14 days is not enough to take a girl back to the US. However, I think it is enough time to determine if I want to continue to pursue her and eventually take her to the US.

Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the help!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2523623]She said those jobs were very sought after and the prettiest girls competed for them as they were exposed to many love struck Romeos and a sure ticket to a marriage and Visa..[/QUOTE]You missed your chance. You could be a happily married monger and be supporting a trike driver as well.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2523427]Come to your Pinay sirens. Follow your dick. You need to be fked over. That is why you are here. You will be a senior member here in ten years and you see an dispense advice. You need to be led around, like a goat at Ramadan, and feel the steel blades slice into you. You are an extra Jesus, here to feed the multitude with your flesh and blood. You might enjoy the Crucifixion at San Fernando, if your wallet holds out that long.

If I send you my details, can you wire me 10,000 pesos in real money? I ask as if everyone else is going to get a piece of you, so should I.[/QUOTE]This is one of the most hilarious replies I have seen in a long time. ROFL.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]Thank you for all of the replies. I have been following this girl on Facebook and social media for a few months. She has a college degree in secondary education and has many photos that were taken years ago while she was in college. I also looked at her friends Facebook profiles to verify the information. The posts she has on Facebook were made well before I started talking to her. The social media information I see lead me to believe that she most likely is a legitimate person who is looking for a long term relationship and wants to be a school teacher in the US.

I understand the concerns about Angeles City. However, she actually told me we could meet in Clark and did not say Angeles City. I suggested the ABC hotel after looking on websites. The reason she did not want to meet in Manila initially is because she wants to be closer to her home in the event things do not work out. She told me that until I meet her family she could only stay with me for a couple of days. In fact she wants to bring her sister with her the first time we meet. She and her sister are three years apart and are very close.

I have only sent her around $200.00 to help her pay for internet so we could talk each day. She does not ask for money and she calls and video chats with me several times each day.

Since I want to go to the Philippines to visit anyway I really don't have much to lose. I just want to make sure I won't be harmed and that is why I want to meet her in a hotel that I book.

Based on the responses received I will not book the ABC Hotel and will look into hotels others have suggested. I have no problem paying $200 per night if the hotel is nice and safe.

I understand that 14 days is not enough to take a girl back to the US. However, I think it is enough time to determine if I want to continue to pursue her and eventually take her to the US.

Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]Don't listen at all to the jaded mongers here. Get a decent hotel and conduct your business as planned. Meet the sister and family and decide for yourself. You really don't need any advice from this forum. This is cheap sex forum. Not conducive for LTR or loving marriages!

If things go well then go to Manila. There are decent hotels and areas in your price range.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]I have only sent her around $200.00 to help her pay for internet so we could talk each day.[/QUOTE]What, did you pay for her a 5-year subscription? My internet is only 30 cents per day in PI. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2523660]You missed your chance. You could be a happily married monger and be supporting a trike driver as well.[/QUOTE]Missed my chace with whom? ID put the importer ahead of the waitresses: she could probably afford to support me and a couple of trike drivers at the same time. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]Thank you for all of the replies. I have been following this girl on Facebook and social media for a few months. She has a college degree in secondary education and has many photos that were taken years ago while she was in college. I also looked at her friends ......................... to determine if I want to continue to pursue her and eventually take her to the US.

Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]Follow your heart. But listen to the brain from time to time as well. In the end you are the one talking to her and only you can determine what the feeling is.

All I can say is good luck and I hope it works out well!

CM.

Edit also as a counterweight to the all girls are out there to pluck you posts:

So I went to Tanzania in December for work. And had an African girl in Africa for the first time. A true pearl. We have continued whatsapping since then as I had a crust on her from the moment we went from our dinner to my room.

In the beginning she said I like you and want to see you again but you are to old for a relationship with me. She is very early 20s and I am mid 40s only one year younger than her father. But she wanted to continue talking because she felt I had treated her like a gentleman and respected her. She only goes with men irregularly when her shop is doing badly. She told me about how the men she goes with usually look down on her. Because she is African and they consider her cheap meat. The usual remarks she gets is that she is to black to be considered more than a fuck doll. And she hates that. She said the older the men and the richer the more they treat you like trash.

After about 10 days her internet was finished and I decided to spontaneously send her 8 euro to her M-pesa account. She upped internet, called me back and was truly pissed. She said: "why do men always think we need an ATM .... I am talking to you because I like you and want to know you better not because I want your money." Took me a day or so to make up on that. I am used to girls hitting me up for money from day one. Never ever had this reaction.

So around Christmas she told me that I was the most friendly man she ever talked with. Someone whom doesn't talk about sex. Doesn't ask for pussy photos. And doesn't send dick pics (she blocks all of those men and men that ask her to marry them, she has shown me all the requests she gets for that). I talk with her about normal life btw. What her dreams are and what she wants ..... very normal things ...... but according to her no man ever wants to talk with her about that (African, Arab or Muzungu). Also since Christmas we have been whatsapp calling every day and video calling sometimes as well.

At new years day she told me that she had changed her mind. She could now see us having a relationship and if I wanted to marriage. I actually got proposed by a girl. But hse wants to be in her country so she wants me to go there. She wants to build her business and then later she wants to take care of me when I am old (technically I am already). It is nice to actually hear these things from a poor girl whom has never had anything in life and had to fight for everything she has reached so far. She is very proud of herself. And now wants to add an older fat poor muzungu to her list of accomplishments strangely enough.

Basically what is most important to her is that I am kind and respectful. She is telling me honestly what she is up too. Sending me the marriage proposals as they come in from guys (some young and handsome) that she has never met (most of them). She has only slept with one other guy since and wants to not do it anymore until she is sure where she and me are going. She has by now agreed for me to send 8 euro twice a month to pay for the internet for all our voice calling, sometimes up to 3 hours .... and spontaneously send me 2 private photos as well.

So in short although I am hardened myself by many girls after money only. I have finally found an honest hard working one after over 25 years of looking. So it is possible. She has really touched me with her behaviour and I will try to make the best of it with her. Either that or she is the most clever girl I ever met and is playing a very clever game. But every day I get more convinced that she really just wants a man that treats her very nice and talks to her and most importantly ..... simply listens.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2523689]Don't listen at all to the jaded mongers here. Get a decent hotel and conduct your business as planned. Meet the sister and family and decide for yourself. You really don't need any advice from this forum. This is cheap sex forum. Not conducive for LTR or loving marriages!

If things go well then go to Manila. There are decent hotels and areas in your price range.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? We are not jaded just mongers per se. We have been through all these feelings. We have met, fallen in love albeit short time not enough to commit. This forum is not cheap sex only forum. We do discuss lots of things other than sex.

We have enough experience to suggest tread with care. It is one thing to look to marry a girl from Philippines. At the same time this person should know all the facts. So far he has not met the girl and he is already talking about taking her to America. He is open to let the sister come with the girl for meeting. He is already on the hook for sending money. Does not matter his reason for it.

IMHO he should go meet the girl alone. If both hit it off then take one step at a time. Ofcourse girl will gladly accept the chance of going to America to better her life. As we all know the whole family will also benefit. Once in America which takes a long time nowadays there is no guarantee she will stay with him. Definitely for two years because of immigration laws but after who knows.

Why would she meet in Clark? Has she her own chopper? Does she support as trike driver there?

The place to rendezvous is Dau bus terminal and then get a jeepney taxi whatever to San Fernando or further north. Why would you bring a woman and her sister to an open air brothel? Angeles has nothing going for it, only women with exotic sexual diseases and fake Viagra.

What kind of advice would you expect to get here from guys who send dick pics to guys posing as gals on web sites? If she is into eating out go go gals and doing a little hussling and shooting some pool, then Pampanga is for her. What about you? You are travelling half way around the world to tramp through shanty towns to woo her. Deus vult.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]Thank you for all of the replies. I have been following this girl on Facebook and social media for a few months. She has a college degree in secondary education and has many photos that were taken years ago while she was in college. I also looked at her friends Facebook profiles to verify the information. The posts she has on Facebook were made well before I started talking to her. The social media information I see lead me to believe that she most likely is a legitimate person who is looking for a long term relationship and wants to be a school teacher in the US.

I understand the concerns about Angeles City. However, she actually told me we could meet in Clark and did not say Angeles City. I suggested the ABC hotel after looking on websites. The reason she did not want to meet in Manila initially is because she wants to be closer to her home in the event things do not work out. She told me that until I meet her family she could only stay with me for a couple of days. In fact she wants to bring her sister with her the first time we meet. She and her sister are three years apart and are very close.

I have only sent her around $200.00 to help her pay for internet so we could talk each day. She does not ask for money and she calls and video chats with me several times each day.[/QUOTE]

My advice to you, wiithout knowing your exact situation. Do not bring this girl to your home country without living with her in the philippinies for at least 6 months. This is the best advice I can give to anyone considering marrying a filipina. If you can't do that, then you can't afford a filipina girlfriend. No amount of talkinig on the phone or video chatting is going to prepare you for what she truly is: a combination of filipino culture and norms, as well as a product of her own specific background. That said. I wish you the best of luck on your adventure.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]Thank you for all of the replies. I have been following this girl on Facebook and social media for a few months. She has a college degree in secondary education and has many photos that were taken years ago while she was in college. I also looked at her friends Facebook profiles to verify the information. The posts she has on Facebook were made well before I started talking to her. The social media information I see lead me to believe that she most likely is a legitimate person who is looking for a long term relationship and wants to be a school teacher in the US.

I understand the concerns about Angeles City. However, she actually told me we could meet in Clark and did not say Angeles City. I suggested the ABC hotel after looking on websites. The reason she did not want to meet in Manila initially is because she wants to be closer to her home in the event things do not work out. She told me that until I meet her family she could only stay with me for a couple of days. In fact she wants to bring her sister with her the first time we meet. She and her sister are three years apart and are very close.

I have only sent her around $200.00 to help her pay for internet so we could talk each day. She does not ask for money and she calls and video chats with me several times each day.

Since I want to go to the Philippines to visit anyway I really don't have much to lose. I just want to make sure I won't be harmed and that is why I want to meet her in a hotel that I book.

Based on the responses received I will not book the ABC Hotel and will look into hotels others have suggested. I have no problem paying $200 per night if the hotel is nice and safe.

I understand that 14 days is not enough to take a girl back to the US. However, I think it is enough time to determine if I want to continue to pursue her and eventually take her to the US.

Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]I understand that 14 days is not enough to take a girl back to the US. However, I think it is enough time to determine if I want to continue to pursue her and eventually take her to the US.
Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]What do you think you are doing: having an audition to purchase a girlfriend / life mate?

Women are the same the world over. Just go about it as you've done with all the other girls you've met and become friends with throughout your life.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2523851]Why would she meet in Clark? Has she her own chopper? Does she support as trike driver there?[/QUOTE]Maybe she thinks his flight will come into Clark and she will be waiting for him at the airport when he arrives.

She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523657]The posts she has on Facebook were made well before I started talking to her. The social media information I see lead me to believe that she most likely is a legitimate person who is looking for a long term relationship and wants to be a school teacher in the US.

I understand the concerns about Angeles City. However, she actually told me we could meet in Clark and did not say Angeles City. I suggested the ABC hotel after looking on websites.

I have only sent her around $200.00 to help her pay for internet so we could talk each day. She does not ask for money and she calls and video chats with me several times each day.

Since I want to go to the Philippines to visit anyway I really don't have much to lose. I just want to make sure I won't be harmed and that is why I want to meet her in a hotel that I book.

Based on the responses received I will not book the ABC Hotel and will look into hotels others have suggested. I have no problem paying $200 per night if the hotel is nice and safe.

I understand that 14 days is not enough to take a girl back to the US. However, I think it is enough time to determine if I want to continue to pursue her and eventually take her to the US.

Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]Dude, you have already lost. There is a phrase called alpha fucks and beta bucks. Look at how much you are paying. Look at how you are accommodating her. You have let American women get you down to the point where you think of yourself as a loser. Look at what you think is reasonable. $3000 for one trip to accommodate one woman and 2 weeks out of your life? You are already doing everything she wants. Watch this video. Hell, watch all the videos from this guy.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXUP3gTfpn0[/URL]

You have a case of oneitis. You think she could be the one, and there is no such thing!

I was like you, and Mr. E was giving me shit. He was right, and I have changed my tune.

Here is a book you need to read: [URL]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PTFKLP6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o02?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL].

It breaks down what a waste it is chasing women like you are doing (and like I was doing).

The best case scenario is you meet her, have good sex, and she milks you from abroad.

The worst case scenario is you marry her. She moves her family over, and five years later, she screams abuse and has you kicked out of your own home.

I know you are not going to listen to me. Maybe if you get the ROI book on pursuing women you might stop this insanity.

You already have established yourself as a beta, and you have to cut and run and onto the next. You really need to up your game and act like an alpha.

I do not know if you have a thing for Asian women over Latinas, and I do not know Asia that well but $3000 would buy you 3 months of pussy in Bogota or 2 years if you just dedicated it to one woman.

You have let American girls beat your ego down. If you have that kind of scratch and are willing to go to the third world, you are a fucking stud, and you need to start acting like one.

She had to go to the bus terminal to get information everyone has. There is a major bus station at Dau, about 2 km from Walking Street and a jeepney depot beside Walking Street. Her family members and their pet pig could give her that info.

She has no current ID? Right.

Send me $200 so I can drink it on Red Horse. No video chats though but I will refer you to Chaterbate.

"Someone at the Philippines consulate in the US" gave you bum advice. Did they downgrade their embassy?

Here are your relevant links regarding exiting the US on a US passport to LBFM land.

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Philippines.html[/URL]

[URL]https://ph.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/[/URL]

After you send me my money, buy a towel and baby oil.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2523959]Dude, you have already lost. There is a phrase called alpha fucks and beta bucks. Look at how much you are paying. Look at how you are accommodating her. You have let American women get you down to the point where you think of yourself as a loser. Look at what you think is reasonable. $3000 for one trip to accommodate one woman and 2 weeks out of your life?

You have a case of oneitis. You think she could be the one, and there is no such thing![/QUOTE]Shit. If my man Elvis is coming off like this then there must be something to it. My own uncle fucked up like that. He met some chick in Davao online that kept calling him daddy. He ended up divorcing my aunt and hightailing it to PI where he built a house for the chick and her family. He is a carpenter by trade so at least he saved on the labor. Now his ass is back in the States broke.

If he thinks he is serious about this chick though I would advise him to go early to experience other people whether normal chicks or monger stuff. Then after that, meet up with that chick and that will tell it all. Easy to fall like that when you are love and attention starved and some exotic chick comes along whispering sweet nothings. Like I tried to tell my uncle before he ran over there, the country is full of chicks that will call you daddy. That is nothing special or extraordinary. But of course mfs don't listen and have to learn on their own.

There is an endless line of lonely guys who come to poor 3rd world countries looking for love in the form of a marriage and a legal relationship. 99.999% of the time it does not work for obvious reasons. That stat should tell these guys something, but it rarely does because their loneliness is so acute.

All I will advise our current lonely heart is for your own sake take your time. Yes, come to the PI, meet the girl, and see if you click. But fuhgeddaboud any romantic entanglement nonsense you may have in your head and above all else; Do not do anything rash like marry the girl or bring her to your country for a minimum of 2 years after you meet her. A lot can happen in 2 years. You will a lot wiser and more experienced than you are now in 2 years. If the girl still appeals to you after 2 years, then do what you want with her. The odds will still be stacked against the two of you especially if you plan to bring her back to your home country, but at least you will be an informed romantic fool rather than a completely uninformed one.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]There are guys on this board who have married a pina and lived happily ever after just as there are guys who have been severely burnt and lost everything. A couple are literally in jail as we speak. Hence, its no surprise that the advice has ranged from meet her and have a good time through to all girls a whorres to be fucked and forgotten. My guess is that your girl, like many, will fall somewhere in the middle.

At the end of the day, its your life. Go have a good time but be alert for the good and bad signs that everyone has mentioned here and react accordingly. . If it works out, great. If not, have your fun and move on.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2524018]
If he thinks he is serious about this chick though I would advise him to go early to experience other people whether normal chicks or monger stuff. Then after that, meet up with that chick and that will tell it all.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Every new arrival, new or old hand, arrives with some level of blue balls that distorts his perspective. Have some meaningless fun upon arrival then you will be clear headed and the big head will be the one making decisions.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]You are going to do what you will do and Good Luck with that. I've been criticized myself for some of my approaches to dealing with women I've discussed here. But there is one thing you really need to be aware of.

If she has no ID, and the only one is a college ID which has expired, how did she cash the money you sent to her? You have to have some type of ID to get it cashed. So she used a fake ID? Then that means either you are not knowing her real name or she gave you some reason why she used that name that sounded plausible. Or, you were asked to send it to her brother / sister / cousin, etc. To cash it in for her. Though I'm not trying to be suspicious, that sounds a little scammy.

You say you have done well in business and can afford this, well I ask that you use some of that business sense and apply it to this situation. Ask yourself, with the amount of advice and things being brought up to you, would you actually enter a deal for work with the same details?

No ID will catch up to one at the great arbiter, the US Embassy there. When I was going through the process with my current wife, who is a Japanese citizen coming from the land of "organization for organizations sake" we had to present all types of forms, income made, health data, etc. To the Embassy in Tokyo just to get her Green Card submitted. While I was there, there was an American trying to get his Pinay "girlfriend" in the process. It was interesting to watch since it was an open bay area, when the US government person was asking for proof of relationship since they had only been together for a short time and he had to start providing pictures of them from various times to show that he had indeed been knowing her. He was coming in as one of the US citizens working for the bases here, and thought he could get away. I didn't get to see the end of it all but before I left, they were having a "moment of truth" when all of a sudden those youngster who had been his girls nieces all of a sudden came up with a more closer relationship (I. E. They were actually hers) and the Embassy staff started showing him all of the forms that stated if he sponsors her and family he would be liable to support them and they wouldn't be eligible for any public assistance (this was in 2008) which was and still is the law. We were leaving when he had to pull her to the side to get to the bottom line. Wish I could have stayed to see it. Made my long wait time and fees paid well worth it.

If you think this is the right path for you, head down it. But don't come back here 6 months later complaining about what happened. You can do that, expect to get heaped on by the Lurkers, and afterwards we will welcome you into the official club of "Lurkering!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2524085]No ID will catch up to one at the great arbiter, the US Embassy there. When I was going through the process with my current wife, who is a Japanese citizen coming from the land of "organization for organizations sake" we had to present all types of forms, income made, health data, etc. To the Embassy in Tokyo just to get her Green Card submitted. While I was there, there was an American trying to get his Pinay "girlfriend" in the process. It was interesting to watch since it was an open bay area, when the US government person was asking for proof of relationship since they had only been together for a short time and he had to start providing pictures of them from various times to show that he had indeed been knowing her. He was coming in as one of the US citizens working for the bases here, and thought he could get away. I didn't get to see the end of it all but before I left, they were having a "moment of truth" when all of a sudden those youngster who had been his girls nieces all of a sudden came up with a more closer relationship (I. E. They were actually hers) and the Embassy staff started showing him all of the forms that stated if he sponsors her and family he would be liable to support them and they wouldn't be eligible for any public assistance (this was in 2008) which was and still is the law. We were leaving when he had to pull her to the side to get to the bottom line. Wish I could have stayed to see it. Made my long wait time and fees paid well worth it.[/QUOTE]I mentioned before about local 3rd parties knowing instantly where the girl and relationship sit and it would be hard to think of a better qualified group than Embassy Visa staff. They have seen it all and act accordingly. The long term resident with multiple holiday receipts and birthday cards from parents gets a relatively easy ride. Met online, visited for a week or two and now wants to emigrate to the West will receive a deep dive inspection.

I've often heard the visa process described as made so onerous that only the truly committed want to go through with it.

Again, I wish the OP the best but go in with your eyes open. Don't underestimate the costs, time and liabilities involved in the whole process.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]Your girl and her family can't believe their luck that they caught a fat American whale. The fact that you sent the money without her asking for it singles you out as a totally gullible person. And don't they know it. Although it is only $200 to you and you are a wealthy, successful business person so you don't care, that's 11,000 peso to her. That's a months salary in the Philippines. Would you give $5,000 to someone you had never met in the US? Same same here.

Do you really think she is going to spend 11,000 peso on internet? The internet bill for the whole fucking barangay wouldn't come to 11,000 peso. Most poor girls know how to use free wifi. If they can't get wifi, they will spend a few hundred peso on a pre-paid sim (called load in the Philippines), not 11,000 peso. Do you want to know what her family did with the 11,000 peso? Her father, uncle, brothers or her Pinoy boyfriend would have taken about half of it and bought a few cases of Red Horse, got drunk and gambled with the rest. The next day, with whatever money your girl had left, they would have hosted a lechon banquet at their house for their tribe, with more Red Horse to wash that pork down. This would have been to celebrate the girl catching a fat American whale and to show off to their extended family how rich they are.

As someone mentioned earlier, a girl who loves you will do so regardless of whether you send money or not. They are perfectly capable of surviving without a white man's money.

My suggestion to you is to go to the Philippines and just fuck as many hookers as you can. Depending on how old you are and on your Viagra dosage, you should be able to work through two hookers a day. You will learn a lot about the Pinay character and then be in a better position to make an informed decision. Yes, I know that hookers don't represent all Filipinas, but from the lake you're fishing in, it won't matter.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2524093]I mentioned before about local 3rd parties knowing instantly where the girl and relationship sit and it would be hard to think of a better qualified group than Embassy Visa staff.[/QUOTE]Another thing to do would be to tell the girl he wants to come live in PI. I had met a Brazilian chick online and was talking to her for about 1 week. She was adamant about coming to live in the USA. When I kept insisting that I did not think it was a good idea and it would be better for me to move to Brazil, she blocked me.

An expired college ID will get you pretty far in the philippines. I'm not suprised she was able to pick up the money.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2524085]You are going to do what you will do and Good Luck with that. I've been criticized myself for some of my approaches to dealing with women I've discussed here. But there is one thing you really need to be aware of.

If she has no ID, and the only one is a college ID which has expired, how did she cash the money you sent to her? You have to have some type of ID to get it cashed. So she used a fake ID? Then that means either you are not knowing her real name or she gave you some reason why she used that name that sounded plausible. Or, you were asked to send it to her brother / sister / cousin, etc. To cash it in for her. Though I'm not trying to be suspicious, that sounds a little scammy.

You say you have done well in business and can afford this, well I ask that you use some of that business sense and apply it to this situation. Ask yourself, with the amount of advice and things being brought up to you, would you actually enter a deal for work with the same details?

No ID will catch up to one at the great arbiter, the US Embassy there. When I was going through the process with my current wife, who is a Japanese citizen coming from the land of "organization for organizations sake" we had to present all types of forms, income made, health data, etc. To the Embassy in Tokyo just to get her Green Card submitted. While I was there, there was an American trying to get his Pinay "girlfriend" in the process. It was interesting to watch since it was an open bay area, when the US government person was asking for proof of relationship since they had only been together for a short time and he had to start providing pictures of them from various times to show that he had indeed been knowing her. He was coming in as one of the US citizens working for the bases here, and thought he could get away. I didn't get to see the end of it all but before I left, they were having a "moment of truth" when all of a sudden those youngster who had been his girls nieces all of a sudden came up with a more closer relationship (I. E. They were actually hers) and the Embassy staff started showing him all of the forms that stated if he sponsors her and family he would be liable to support them and they wouldn't be eligible for any public assistance (this was in 2008) which was and still is the law. We were leaving when he had to pull her to the side to get to the bottom line. Wish I could have stayed to see it. Made my long wait time and fees paid well worth it.

If you think this is the right path for you, head down it. But don't come back here 6 months later complaining about what happened. You can do that, expect to get heaped on by the Lurkers, and afterwards we will welcome you into the official club of "Lurkering![/QUOTE]

The posts below point to bunch of books about how women drain the energy and life of men. This is actually very old knowledge. Mature societies such as Greece and judaism celebrate same sex friendships for emotional support rather than placing all their eggs in one basket, a woman, which is what western society promotes. A single point of failure. And one that encourages GDP consumption, being a work slave and fleeced by taxes without any reciprocation by corrupt politicians who only listen to their lobbyist paymasters and will not even meet their free constituents. Elections are PR.

Men who fail to develop strong long term friendships (and thus social connection) and robust self esteem are fragile. Looking for a magic carpet ride from a single female to fill this vacuum is doomed to failure. Women also get fucked over building their future on a single point of failure. For men, put down the booze as self medication, work out (this creates potent brain chemicals), sleep well and realize porn is just another monkey brain stimulant. We need to get self-control, good, trusted friends or relatives and be aware of triggers that control us. The brain is a useful tool, but like an aircraft, it will go haywire unless properly managed and we recognize and avoid fooling ourselves with magic thinking, drama, fucked people and fucked economies.

3rd world countries amplify this insane hope a woman will make us whole, because it is transactional. The girls trade looks and sex for security like anywhere, but unlike the west are relative cultural and educational aliens with divided loyalties. They see fat, flabby white men (or fit young ones) as their meal ticket, just as sugar babies in the US do. There is no discrimination by flips on race or age, only money. The long line or honey and lonely men have themselves to blame, and going to Asia to solve the empty self will fail. It is down to YOU to fix the foundations.

By all means go on a diving trip, a nice swim, cold beer, chill, some young women to enjoy, but remember why they hanging out. Don't let monkey brain and oxytocin confuse you. They are garnish. The main meal is you living happily in your own skin.

Viper. I've been thinking about your case much more than I should. I think you should really consider who you are asking advice from by posting on this board. Everyone here was a newb once and got burned somehow by some girl. I feel bad for you, because you seem like a guy who is geniuinely in love and wants it all to work out. Most of the advice you've gotten is overly negative, but completely understandable considering who it is you are asking.

I want to play the other side of the coin for a moment. What you want has about a 1 percent change of working out in my mind. If that's okay for you, then, as a believer in love, you should make a go at it, but be reasonable. And go in knowing that you don't know much about this country or the women of it. You're job is to find out as much as you can. You'll likely be disapointed by this particular woman, I'm sad to say. But there is a chance you won't be and you will live happily ever after.

I know some people have said that choosing clark is a red flag. But in my opinion, clark is a natural choice, if she thinks you are flying in. The red light district of Angeles is pretty small and distinct from Clark. Clark is a legitimate growing business area, at least before the pandemic. Who knows what it will be like after. But it doesn't throw any red flags for me. She's from zambales, Clark is the nearest airport where she can meet you at. It also could be that she just doesn't know that many places.

Theres also some nice hotels in Clark. I believe there is a holiday inn there that is pretty nice.

Some good advice from other board members. Go sow some of your seeds. Do some normal stuff before you settle down and meet her. There are a lot of filipinas out there. I suggest marrying a rich one if you can. You can kill off a whole class of future problems this way. Filipinas are romantics, and fall in love easily. Theres a lot of them without many good marraige prospects. If you're really into getting married and are geniune about it, that's a huge card you have to play.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]Viper, as some have said you're getting a lot of negative comments on this and I hope you understand that most of us here are just telling you what we have seen or done and sometimes wish someone would have told us. But to each his own and if this is the avenue you wish to pursue good luck.

One thing I want to ask is what time do you normally chat with this lady? The reason I ask is if she chats during your daytime that means that it's night time in the PI and if one were to check on those sites like Meet Me, Tagged, etc. You would see those are the busy hours for those young lady's to ply their trade. I've seen them do a complete time zone shift to sleep during the day and lurk at night online. Why is that? One told me the honest truth, Pinoy boys at home don't have the money to buy "gifts" from those sites, so they go where the money is. That means if she is talking to you during your daytime, she is up all night just chatting away where the money is. Just something to think about before going into this.

As others have said, slow it down, take a trip to the PI and just go to tour and then see the lady and make sure that this is something you really want. Not sure how old you are but back in the 80's Eddie Murphy did a comedy stand-up routine in of his earlier films where he was going to marry an African woman because they weren't going to be jaded like American women and once he got her back to the USA the American women taught her a very frightening word: "Half" so when she is ready to divorceafter he makes $100 million and she makes $110 at a store selling gifts she said "I want Half!" I'm sure that type of joke is not PC these days but you get the point. Don't get to the point where after 6 months this lady is going to want her "Half" from you.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2524241]Viper. I've been thinking about your case much more than I should. I think you should really consider who you are asking advice from by posting on this board...[/QUOTE]True. Keep in mind every monger I know (myself excluded, of course. &#128513 is damaged or socially inept in some way. I'm yet to meet an exception. This definitely affects our outlook on life. Joe Q Citizen just doesn't fly half way around the world, or even go live there, to pay to fuck kids 1/3 his age.

The OP should keep this in mind when he reads all the advice about the girls being crazy gold diggers.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2524241]Everyone here was a newb once and got burned somehow by some girl..[/QUOTE]Yes, but most of us have also had some stallar good times too. 😎.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2524241]Viper. I've been thinking about your case much more than I should. I think you should really consider who you are asking advice from by posting on this board. I feel bad for you, because you seem like a guy who is geniuinely in love and wants it all to work out. Most of the advice you've gotten is overly negative, but completely understandable considering who it is you are asking.[/QUOTE]What you ought to consider is who is doing the asking. This could be a guy who's never had a girlfriend in his life, and who can't get laid in his own country. A situation, in other words, that no one here has experienced, or can relate to.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2524270]True. Keep in mind every monger I know (myself excluded, of course. &#128513 is damaged or socially inept in some way. I'm yet to meet an exception.[/QUOTE]I can't verify that opinion as I go to meet girls not other mongers. If a guy even tries to start a conversation with me he gets the ' why the fuck are you talking to me look'. Maybe that is my social ineptness!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2524310]If a guy even tries to start a conversation with me he gets the ' why the fuck are you talking to me look'. Maybe that is my social ineptness![/QUOTE]QED. 😉.

Everybody goes for different reasons. Nothing wrong with that.

Cheers. G.

This pandemic needs to go. You can tell how bored everyone is by how much they're delving into this long distance relationship that's doomed to fail. EVERYONE's telling Viper "NOOOO, don't do it! But he'll probably do it. And we're all addicted to the drama. Because there's really nothing to write about, sadly. Can't wait til the end of 2021!

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2524627]This pandemic needs to go. You can tell how bored everyone is by how much they're delving into this long distance relationship that's doomed to fail. EVERYONE's telling Viper "NOOOO, don't do it! But he'll probably do it. And we're all addicted to the drama. Because there's really nothing to write about, sadly. Can't wait til the end of 2021![/QUOTE]Not only this one.

Now we have GD trying to smuggle hookers thru NAIA to Europe.

When did it get so hard to get laid? 😉.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. If anyone wants them, I've got numerous numbers of unemployed models in Zamboanga City that I can hand out. Nice girls, tired of young studs and lookimg for a kind hearted 70 yo gentleman that they can care for.

Just send me $2000 so I can buy them a phone to chat to you on. 👍 👍.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2524698] Just send me $2000 so I can buy them a phone to chat to you on. 👍 👍.[/QUOTE]You're so kind. Off to Western Union now. Will you use your expired college ID to pick up the 2 K?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2524627]This pandemic needs to go. You can tell how bored everyone is by how much they're delving into this long distance relationship that's doomed to fail. SNIP Because there's really nothing to write about, sadly. Can't wait til the end of 2021![/QUOTE]Move along folks, nothing to see or write about here. Nothing. . .

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2524727]You're so kind. Off to Western Union now. Will you use your expired college ID to pick up the 2 K?[/QUOTE]Detwing,

My gym membership card works fine to receive funds.

I've told the girls and they are keen to chat. Do you by chance use a CPap machine or Oxygen Concentrator? I've found these really make the girls really horny.

They did mention that if you send $3600 each they will be able to afford a iPhone 12 Pro. It has enough camera resolution to include their friend. You remember the lesbian Victoria Secret model that likes your pacemaker scar?

Let me know. G.

[QUOTE=Pcdilwj;2524892]Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.

This list is the total package accommodation, food the price of beer and price of entertainment.

In the last 3 years I have been to all the places on my list.

1. Mtwapa (2 visit).

Meet girls online, beach, on the street everyway also girlie pickup bars food is so cheap here.

The dollars is strong here.

2 kampala (1 visit).

Meet girls on line some great clubs where you can meet non working girls also they have girlie.

Pickup bars cheapest place to drink beer that I've been the dollars is very strong here the best value for.

A all night visit.

3 nairobi (3 visit).

Meet girls one line a lot of clubs to meet normal girls and oh course black diamond to meet working girl.

K1 is a good place to meet women also pro and non pro since its a big city kinda expensive.

......

On my list of place to go is Bali and the unkraine and south africa.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Africa has been on my Places to Try for a while.

Bali is possibly the worst place in Indonesia for mongering. The influx of cashed up short time tourists leads to girls that come from elsewhere just to rack up as much money ASAP. Very hardened and not service focused at all. Jakarta is much better if you want foreigner friendly. You seem to like the less developed places too so try Bandung, Jogjakarta or Surabaya. Sulawesi has some gorgeous girls.

Cheers. G.

Thanks for making this list. What would your list look like for a 40 yr old?

[QUOTE=Pcdilwj;2524892]Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.

This list is the total package accommodation, food the price of beer and price of entertainment.

In the last 3 years I have been to all the places on my list.

1. Mtwapa (2 visit).

Meet girls online, beach, on the street everyway also girlie pickup bars food is so cheap here.

The dollars is strong here.

2 kampala (1 visit).

Meet girls on line some great clubs where you can meet non working girls also they have girlie.

Pickup bars cheapest place to drink beer that I've been the dollars is very strong here the best value for.

A all night visit.

3 nairobi (3 visit).

Meet girls one line a lot of clubs to meet normal girls and oh course black diamond to meet working girl.

K1 is a good place to meet women also pro and non pro since its a big city kinda expensive.

4 cebu (10 visit).

Really focus on the dating sites so many women also can meet at the mall some girlie go go.

Bars but a waste of time. Also they have some nice disco to go but be carefull of the lady boys.

It s easy to get around cebu the the air con taxi are very cheap for a western the dollars is ok here.

5 angeles city (15 visit).

If I was in my 30 or 40 it may be at the top of my list around 100 girlie go go bars you pick a girl on the stage.

Agree on the terms off you go 20 years ago good value now the price and gone up so much.

Also a lot of expats live in angles so whatever country you are from you can find someone from your country.

6 montego bay jamacia (6 visits).

Meet girls on line a couple of good clubs you can meet non pro girls also you can meet some girls at he beach.

Its close to the states so I never have jet lag can hit the ground running only place I don't drink beer the rum is.

Good and cheap I don't really like the beer red stripe also the dollars is very strong here hotels are over priced.

7 pattaya (2 visits).

So many bars and massage parlors like being a kid in a candy store the best value is soi 6 . in all my travels the best value for a nice cheap clean hotel is pattaya the only english the thai women know is shorttimes ehheheh the price of.

Enterainment is high for short time nice to see the girls in the bar dancing in the nude the dollars value not to good.

8 Bangkok (2 visit) it s ok for a short time to visit a lot of streetwalkers some nice girlie go go bars but to many lady.

Boys Nana plaza is ok and soi cowboy is ok dollars is very weak here.

9 manila (10 visit) if you like big crowded cities whit awful tracffic its the place for you.

Meet girls at the mall and online or go to la cafe a huge pickup place.

On my list of place to go is Bali and the unkraine and south africa.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2524899]Thanks. Africa has been on my Places to Try for a while.

Bali is possibly the worst place in Indonesia for mongering. The influx of cashed up short time tourists leads to girls that come from elsewhere just to rack up as much money ASAP. Very hardened and not service focused at all. Jakarta is much better if you want foreigner friendly. You seem to like the less developed places too so try Bandung, Jogjakarta or Surabaya. Sulawesi has some gorgeous girls.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, I been visiting Indonesia specially Jakarta for the past 8 years. It's heaven for foreigners. I only visit Jakarta and have mostly pre-planned bookings with my potential targets.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523278]Hello,

I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time?

This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.[/QUOTE]

The way I see it, you need to ask yourself this question:

How serious are you in finding your soulmate in another country?

Because if you are very serious, 2 weeks is not enough, even 3 months in Philippines won't be enough, I would say you will need to live with her for at least 6 months to really know her and to start thinking of bringing her to your country.

Since you were OK sending her $200 without even knowing her in person, I feel you are aproaching this the wrong way, if you want to meet your soulmate, don't ever send money to a girl you haven't met in person and don't ever meet her in Angeles City.

In fact don't even step in Angeles City if you are looking for a serious woman, either she is a goldigger if she is the one insisting to meet you there or if you are the one insisting you will look bad on her eyes if you ever meet her there, and she will see you as those losers who pay for sex (not offense to anyone here, but that's how good girls see people who go to Angeles City and pay for sex), you don't want to marry a girl who sees you that way so don't hangout in those places.

That's the reason I never step my foot in Angeles City, you will never find good girls there, maybe there are afew, but is like winning the lotto 1 in a million.

Another question you should ask yourself, age difference, if she is 30+ years younger than you forget it!

Go find someone older and closer to your age, less than 20 yrs difference is fine in Philippines.

If I was you I will take my time, visit Philippines many times and only meet normal girls not pros or semi pros, not girls that are expecting money in return, just pay for the date, and if she wants to pay even better.

If you still want to insist in meeting her, then meet her in Manila, if she is very interested in you she will go meet you there, if she don't then you know she doesn't care about you. And make sure to tell her that you are not looking to bringing her to your country until you know her very well, just don't even mention that subject of bringing her to your country.

Like I said you need to make afew trips, and videocam her everyday, know her family, her friends, places she hangout, Goferring gave you good ideas on cues you should look for.

I'm telling you all this from personal experience, and everything I'm telling you is exactly what I'm doing, and finally I met a good girl who I have great chemistry with, I spent 8 months living with her during covid, and trust me 8 months seeing eachother everyday during lockdown is like having a 2-3 years relationship back home. I already know she is a good girl with good intentions, but I'm still deciding if I want to end my single life, I will go back to Philippines at the end of this year for another 3-4 months there, hopefully Covid is gone by that time and I will get to do island hopping with her and spend more time before I can finally make my decision.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2530420]Since you were OK sending her $200 without even knowing her in person, I feel you are aproaching this the wrong way, if you want to meet your soulmate, don't ever send money to a girl you haven't met in person[/QUOTE]I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2530420]The way I see it, you need to ask yourself this question:

How serious are you in finding your soulmate in another country?

Because if you are very serious, 2 weeks is not enough, even 3 months in Philippines won't be enough, I would say you will need to live with her for at least 6 months to really know her and to start thinking of bringing her to your country.

Since you were OK sending her $200 without even knowing her in person, I feel you are aproaching this the wrong way, if you want to meet your soulmate, don't ever send money to a girl you haven't met in person and don't ever meet her in Angeles City.

In fact don't even step in Angeles City if you are looking for a serious woman, either she is a goldigger if she is the one insisting to meet you there or if you are the one insisting you will look bad on her eyes if you ever meet her there, and she will see you as those losers who pay for sex (not offense to anyone here, but that's how good girls see people who go to Angeles City and pay for sex), you don't want to marry a girl who sees you that way so don't hangout in those places.

That's the reason I never step my foot in Angeles City, you will never find good girls there, maybe there are afew, but is like winning the lotto 1 in a million.

Another question you should ask yourself, age difference, if she is 30+ years younger than you forget it!

Go find someone older and closer to your age, less than 20 yrs difference is fine in Philippines.

If I was you I will take my time, visit Philippines many times and only meet normal girls not pros or semi pros, not girls that are expecting money in return, just pay for the date, and if she wants to pay even better.

If you still want to insist in meeting her, then meet her in Manila, if she is very interested in you she will go meet you there, if she don't then you know she doesn't care about you. And make sure to tell her that you are not looking to bringing her to your country until you know her very well, just don't even mention that subject of bringing her to your country.

Like I said you need to make afew trips, and videocam her everyday, know her family, her friends, places she hangout, Goferring gave you good ideas on cues you should look for.

I'm telling you all this from personal experience, and everything I'm telling you is exactly what I'm doing, and finally I met a good girl who I have great chemistry with, I spent 8 months living with her during covid, and trust me 8 months seeing eachother everyday during lockdown is like having a 2-3 years relationship back home. I already know she is a good girl with good intentions, but I'm still deciding if I want to end my single life, I will go back to Philippines at the end of this year for another 3-4 months there, hopefully Covid is gone by that time and I will get to do island hopping with her and spend more time before I can finally make my decision.[/QUOTE]Great advice. For Viper, you need to remember that the greater the disparity in age and wealth, the less likely it is that you end up in a romantic relationship. Also, you have to consider that she might already live (and work) in AC, if she wants to meet you there (even if her family actually lives 90 minutes away). Then consider how you will feel when your friends / family see you with a girl whom I assume is much younger than you and doesn't speak English well. And also what happens when you get tired of sleeping with her and ache for some real companionship with a girl able to stimulate your mind. Finally, it isn't easy getting a Pinay a visa into the US.

Some things are best left to fantasy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2530438]I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.[/QUOTE]Most women in developing countries don't date us for charm, looks and sharp wit. Most men with those qualities not trolling around the developing countries.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2525105]I agree with you, I been visiting Indonesia specially Jakarta for the past 8 years. It's heaven for foreigners. I only visit Jakarta and have mostly pre-planned bookings with my potential targets.[/QUOTE]After reading your comment I researched a little bit about the city Jakarta but I didn't get it too attractive expect the food.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2530420]

Because if you are very serious, 2 weeks is not enough, even 3 months in Philippines won't be enough, I would say you will need to live with her for at least 6 months to really know her and to start thinking of bringing her to your country.

[/QUOTE]The big advantage of being in country for an extended time is that you will also meet normal girls. Yes, they do exist online and in AC but the odds really are against you.

Living a normal life in country, you will bump into girls with similar interests at the store, movies, dive shop etc.

Enjoy. G.

Occasional poster, I thought I'd provide some insight on meeting girls in the Philippines. OK that comes at the end.

My situation. I have been here for a year now in pandemic. I am 57 and I have a serious Philippines girlfriend -- two years now. I did meet her at the bar where she worked, but her situation is very similar to many bargirls, as I explain below. (I have done all the shagging many girls before, threesomes etc etc.).

She came from a poor family, and her father died. Mother and younger brother could not do anything. She has a high school diploma but that is barely enough to get a job. To be a waitress in a good restaurant requires a college education. Ridiculous, I know. But there is such a labor supply.

So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members. Their diet was rice + soy sauce usually. Maybe rice + blood. On the occasion that they did cook, they cooked with a charcoal fire inside their house. This is all true and there are people in her neighborhood who do the same.

Some of the girls in the neighborhood worked at the bar, and had met foreigner husbands. So she decided to try. Did she want to work at a bar. No.

For her, she made a lot of money at the bar with her perspective. And lots of tips from customers.

What does she say about working at the bar? Oh I happy that now my family can have yummy food. How do you feel when someone bar fined you? I feel very happy because I can help my family. This is very typical Filipino attitude.

She definitely liked and formed friendships with some of her customers who treated her well. Of course, lots of the time it was a bummer, but she made some cash. "Many times I did things that I don't want to do".

With working at the bar, her family got their first refrigerator, first stove, first TV. Etc etc. Without the bar, she would likely spend the rest of her life eating rice, getting impregnated by some lazy neighbor with him cheating on her when she is looking a little old. Really, Filipino girls from poor backgrounds, limited education, no money have no options. No hope no future, as we would consider it.

We've been together for 2 years. Do I support her, obviously. My one condition is that her family members try to work and don't just rely on taking handouts from me. The males in her family are construction laborers who make about 500 peso per day.

Per the comments below, I don't think it is fair to judge a girl if she hopes for support from you. Even in the West, most girls of all ages are looking for security / support from their partner. ("no money, no honey".

And to add, I know many bargirls in Makati as friends, given that I am in a relationship with their friend. I would say about half qualify as having a similar situation and hopes as my GF. If you are attracted to heavily tatted, slutty performers, then that is a different group. Again, I did fine meeting my GF at the bar. If you happen to be at the bar and want meet a more genuine one, treat the mamasan well, and ask for a younger one, and one that maybe just started. I can think of several super sexy fun girls that work at the bar, but at the bottom of their hearts they want to meet a foreigner and have a decent life. I haven't tried them out personally but they seem like they would make any man happy.

So yes, to meet loyal normal girls in the Philippines, let's remember that there are a few million to choose from. I would agree that you need to put in the time. If you want to start on the internet, SKYPE with camera every day to chat etc.

On the internet, if the girl is based in Angeles. Consider yourself lucky she is a girl. LOL.

OK where to find girls? They're everywhere! Gorgeous girls working in 711. Gorgeous girls working at supermarkets or department stores. It is incredibly easy. Many girls ask me if I have a wife just in small talk. Hmmm.

If you're really looking for someone, then don't get to sex too fast. But Filipinas are generally romantic and passionate. Won't take hardly any time. Most are pretty serious Catholic, in spirit, so don't be too dirty to start, with a normal girl. And if you want a hybrid experience, real GF and benefits from others. Not a good idea if you are serious.

So yeah, if you can afford the time and money, best to come here for 6 mos.

To each, do what you want. If you want to have 3 girls a day, you can have it. If you want a serious and loyal GF to take care of you, that can be found too.

Good luck!

JC.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2530587]The big advantage of being in country for an extended time is that you will also meet normal girls. Yes, they do exist online and in AC but the odds really are against you.

Living a normal life in country, you will bump into girls with similar interests at the store, movies, dive shop etc.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

I have been married for 44 years to the woman of my dreams. Has been all wine and roses, NO! Now this is another way to meet a pinay. At the time I was in the Navy and had just gotten back to the ship after 18 months in Vietnam and seeing more senseless carnage than anyone should ever see. Ernie had just gotten back to the ship from a school in the sates. We were drinking buddies. I had taken are&are trips from Vietnam to Singapore and the Philippines and had spent many 3 or 4 days with a bar girl for nothing but sex. We got our schedule and was going to spend several week in and out of the Philippines so I told Ernie I wanted to see what the Philippines was like not just a bar trip. Ernie gave me this girl's name and address, then started playing 20 questions and I asked him who this is. Ernie tells me she is his cousin and I told him if that was all I was interested in I would stay in the bars. I wrote her letters and sent her pictures of me, but she never sent any pictures. 3 months before I met her I told Ernie I was going to marry her and his response was "Are you crazy you've never see her what if she is ugly. " I told him "she can't be". Fast forward three months I finally get enough time to go to Manila and Ernie makes sure I make it there safe. I went to the address and she is not there, but her brother is and he takes me to a neighbor hood bar for two reasons. 1 he knew I would pay for the beer. 2. And to see what My intentions were. Surprise, surprise there were working girls trying to get me in the back room. While we were drinking a little kid runs up and says she is back. Her brother and I go back to where they were staying and I'm in the setting room when she comes down the stairs and my jaw hits the floor. She was and still is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Three months later I asked to marry me and three months later we were married. Bottom line if you Filipino friends are wanting to fix you up be open to it and see if they have a picture of that person. You may not be a lucky as me.

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1;2530496]Most women in developing countries don't date us for charm, looks and sharp wit. Most men with those qualities not trolling around the developing countries.[/QUOTE]That is what I thought hookers were for. If I am going to be throwing any money around then it would be towards multiple hookers while I pay as I go, not for 1 uneducated homely chick that I see maybe twice a year.

[QUOTE=BigFun;2530732]So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the thoughtful post. One girl I was dating in Ph told me about her younger years. When she was 19-20 she was commuting to Singapore where she was earning good money as a bargirl. Why did she need the money?- to get her drug-dealer mom out of jail.

That's quite motivating.

In the second year a banker bought her out of the bar and had her as a GF for the next 5 years where they travelled the word together. That relationship eventually ended and she is now happily married to a pinoy. (She is also happy meeting me on my visits.)

Mom is out and clean.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2530438]I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.[/QUOTE]

I agree, don't send her money at all, that's why you got to find someone independent and hardworker with a good career if possible.

The only way I see myself sending money is if she is expecting my baby, which in that case she can not work because she is pregnant.

Only in that case I see myself sending money to her.

Of course you got to make sure you are the father of the baby, only two ways to know for sure is with a DNA test which can be done while she is pregnant or if you had spend the whole 4 - 5 weeks since her last period together and she never slept a night without you, or spend many hours without you.

Hard to do that if you plan to meet multiple girls during your trip, but if you decide to spend your whole trip with just one girl, then it can be possible if you guys go in a 1 month island hoping vacation trip. It will be impossible for her to get pregnant with someone else in a remote island while you guys are vacationing together and spending all the time together.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2530438]I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.[/QUOTE]LOL. With most women, the minute a chick gets money it is hers, and she does not remember where she got it from. It is a very rare woman who can play the long game.

Be aware that you marry the entire family as well so expect continuing requests for money for the sisters college bill, mother needs an operation, father's gambling debts etc.

Many of these girls fall pregnant young and those nieces and nephews she is so fond of might act be her own children which you will only be told about after the wedding.

The Philippine passport ranks pretty low on the visa free index so expect travelling with her to be inconvenient, you may want to take a quick break at short notice and whilst you probably won't need a visa, she probably will.

You can take the girl out of the bar / village but you can't take the bar / village out of her. My wife left the Philippines over 30 years ago but still eats with her fingers given the chance, and prefers to sit on a low stool whilst eating, rather than at the table. When we visit her hometown, she will quite happily sleep in a bamboo hut and can't wait to eat her first balut (duck egg with partially developed embryo inside).

They are more into sex than the Thai girls and want to make sure you enjoy it. I hooked up with a nymphomaniac half my age on Tinder, it was like being fucked by an animal. Plenty of raw energy but I need to refine her skills a bit.

As a westerner, you can afford to be choosy. Look at higher class and younger than you would at home. You can easily find a stunner 10 years younger than you.

Whilst they are English speaking and Christian, underneath they are Asian don't forget that.

The girls have old fashioned values and make good wives if you treat them well.

Try the "LA Cafe" in Ermita if you're in Manila. Full of freelancers and no admission charge or bar fine, you simply negotiate directly with her and leave. The average standard isn't that high so be prepared to spend a while until you find one you like. The rougher and more desperate ones are close to the front door and will grab you as soon as you enter. Better quality can be found in the back or upstairs, small charge if there is a band playing.

A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.[/QUOTE]So you were the "Pinay" in the marriage getting money and help from the wife's family!

[QUOTE=Brisman33;2537236]Be aware that you marry the entire family as well so expect continuing requests for money for the sisters college bill, mother needs an operation, father's gambling debts etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.[/QUOTE]I'm lost here. Why is her family's misfortune his problem?

Guys that loose $150 K only do so because they allow the out flow. Pay the "help" out of her bank account / allowance / part time job and see how long it continues.

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. The girls see a cash cow and would be crazy not to take advantage of it.

Cheers. G.

Goes both ways and same the world over. Think Anna Nicole Smith and Summers. I was with a group of young people in the US recently. One of the guys had a bitchy beautiful gold digger wife. I felt sad for the guy because she was looking at climbing into richer greener pastures. Another cute blond girl was married to a red neck who probably makes a tenth of what she makes.

A few years ago, a US politician divorced his crazy rich Asian wife and sued for Alimony.

A rich professional woman could not wait for the super rich separated husband to die so she could take over some of his property and manipulate the kids who inherited the husband's business.

When I was younger, waitresses, nannies, au pairs, shop assistants were such easy targets. The girls' mental calculator figures out where your are from and your potential net worth very rapidly. It is like in Batman, Cat woman's line to Bruce about what he does for a living. Girls ask that all the time to size up your wallet.

It is the same the world over. Don't let color or location blind you.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2537501]I'm lost here. Why is her family's misfortune his problem?

Guys that loose $150 K only do so because they allow the out flow. Pay the "help" out of her bank account / allowance / part time job and see how long it continues.

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. The girls see a cash cow and would be crazy not to take advantage of it.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Those of us who live here, and others who have spent significant time here have heard and sometimes witnessed variations on this theme for years. And I'm with G; if the infatuation and ability for self-delusion of these suckers is so all-encompassing that they fall for the endless attempts to part them from their money, then the fault is their own. I cannot count the number of naïfs I've tried to warn, mostly in vain, of what was happening to them or, in some cases, what was likely to happen to them. The standard response, invariably is: "I know what you're saying but she is different. " Of course, she never is. The overarching reason for the continued success of the perpetual scam is that most guys who come here seeking "love," are fishing in the wrong pool. But again, I've made this argument for years, and to date no one has paid any attention and I'm now at the point that I no longer try to help those heading for disaster to avert it.

GE.

Yeah, I'm a sucker too. When I spend too much time in PI, I fall into the lets help the girl mentality. Don't affect me when its only 1-2 week trip but when its a month or more, then guessing could be out of boredom.

The last girl I met was a part time freelancer with a 2 yr old girl. She was a very nice person. Not a harden pro. Use to meet up one a week then she wanted to meet more. I asked why as she always insisted she didn't have time to come out more often when I wanted her. She said her daughter has asthma and she was desperate for hospital bills and medicine. She was always trying to be as cheerful as possible when she was with me but always sad and worried just the same.

I tried not to be too sympathetic but it does affect me the longer you know them. I also tried not to let money be an issue but also do find myself giving her a little more than what we agreed on. There was once when she came over and both just got undressed and her phone rang. She started crying as Neighbor said her daughter was having another asthma attack. She got dressed and wanted to leave right away, didn't ask me for any money even though she had to pay transport to visit me. She ran out of my hotel and I caught up to her in the street. I gave her transport money along with what I usually give her for ST and little extra. So she went away with my money and I got absolutely nothing out of it. Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2537550] Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are probably a lot like me. I like to be generous but despise being ripped off.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2537652]You are probably a lot like me. I like to be generous but despise being ripped off.[/QUOTE]ID agree. There is a huge difference between being generous or charitable to those legitimately in need and an absolute sucker. Arguements could even be made that the monger could receive a couple of thousand pesos value in performance or karma. The guy below is never going to see $150 K in value from his pussy for hire.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2537550]Yeah, I'm a sucker too. When I spend too much time in PI, I fall into the lets help the girl mentality. Don't affect me when its only 1-2 week trip but when its a month or more, then guessing could be out of boredom.

The last girl I met was a part time freelancer with a 2 yr old girl. She was a very nice person. Not a harden pro. Use to meet up one a week then she wanted to meet more. I asked why as she always insisted she didn't have time to come out more often when I wanted her. She said her daughter has asthma and she was desperate for hospital bills and medicine. She was always trying to be as cheerful as possible when she was with me but always sad and worried just the same.

I tried not to be too sympathetic but it does affect me the longer you know them. I also tried not to let money be an issue but also do find myself giving her a little more than what we agreed on. There was once when she came over and both just got undressed and her phone rang. She started crying as Neighbor said her daughter was having another asthma attack. She got dressed and wanted to leave right away, didn't ask me for any money even though she had to pay transport to visit me. She ran out of my hotel and I caught up to her in the street. I gave her transport money along with what I usually give her for ST and little extra. So she went away with my money and I got absolutely nothing out of it. Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There's a HUGE difference between supporting someone and their family vs helping someone with a bit. Hopefully, that FL doesn't expect you to be doing this on a regular basis. And you gave it to her out of the goodness of your heart. Even without that money, it won't affect you that much. It's nice to be generous, as long as you're not being taken advantage of. I'd like to think that if I was in a similar situation, I'd do the same thing (I probably would've paid for transport + 50% of ST), as long as it didn't turn into a habit.

It's not even a matter of expecting something in return. Most of us are blessed to be in a good situation. Sharing a small sliver of that good fortune to people who don't expect it, but are grateful for it, just makes you a good human being.

If she starts expecting handouts, shows she's not grateful, or expects more dump her. World's too big to get hung up on a single ungrateful pussy.

Its all about denial and "suspending disbelief" on the part of the guy. I can't blame the girl for trying to raise some cash.

If one truely believes he is someone that young filipinas find attractive and fun to be with then it should not be difficult to hook up with a single filipina in the USA where she has her own money and the playing field is level. If that can't be achieved then you may need to work on some self improvement so you can compete.

I advise against confusing sex tourism with romance.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2537757]There's a HUGE difference between supporting someone and their family vs helping someone with a bit. Hopefully, that FL doesn't expect you to be doing this on a regular basis. .[/QUOTE]The girl with the asthma daughter never hit me for support. But I lost contact with her as I assume she either lost her phone or something else as I can't contact her anymore (her number no longer in service).

But I have been asked many times from various girls I've banged before for handouts. Worse now with the Pandemic as most can't find customers and can't find work as many places either downsized or closed.

I have ignored most request Over the past year and many have already blocked me. Too bad though as many were cute and somewhat decent performers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2537900]The girl with the asthma daughter never hit me for support. But I lost contact with her as I assume she either lost her phone or something else as I can't contact her anymore (her number no longer in service).

But I have been asked many times from various girls I've banged before for handouts. Worse now with the Pandemic as most can't find customers and can't find work as many places either downsized or closed.

I have ignored most request Over the past year and many have already blocked me. Too bad though as many were cute and somewhat decent performers.[/QUOTE]All girls wants money. Now it is due to pandemic. Other times it is typhoon, Buffalo sick, parents sick, hungry, lost job, my cousin once removed need operation well you get my drift. Reason lists are endless.

Need to navigate through all this. Just because they blocked you does not mean anything. If you have other means of communication and you are on the ground they will jump into your bed.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2537990]All girls wants money. Now it is due to pandemic. Other times it is typhoon, Buffalo sick, parents sick, hungry, lost job, my cousin once removed need operation well you get my drift. Reason lists are endless.....[/QUOTE]You guys seem to have hot penises but cold hearts. I can't be like that. Some girls will scam, others will have shit happen to them. I will decide what to do depending on the circumstances. The cash I part with will not hurt me in any way. I'd rather be scammed in that manner than to be hard-hearted.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2540360]You guys seem to have hot penises but cold hearts. I can't be like that. Some girls will scam, others will have shit happen to them. I will decide what to do depending on the circumstances. The cash I part with will not hurt me in any way. I'd rather be scammed in that manner than to be hard-hearted.[/QUOTE]More power to you, and I truly wish, your generosity was genuine and boundless. But I wonder would you be as generous if there wasn't the attached prospect / hope of fucking the ladies you are generous to. I read so many post chiding those of us who pay the minimum or "local price", whether it be 500-1000-2000, claiming we are stingy and how much it is cheaper than Sydney / Vancouver / Timbuktu, as there you cannot get a pretty lady for 200-300 etc so we should be more than happy to pay much closer to the Syd / Van price, but in response when asked if their generosity extends to the lady at the foodcart, or the hotel maid or the tuktuk driver do they also try and pay prices closer to the home price, so as to be more socially equitable they always avoid answering.

Personally if you want to be generous with your money just walk out your hotel door, see little kids drinking from pools of water on Manila walkways, see your jeepney drivers tin shack huts, giving them money will ensure you are helping someone in genuine need, rather than giving money some to girl you met online who is crying poor (genuine or not is not totally unknown). ID rather know I wasn't being scammed and giving money to the genuine poor rather risk being scammed by a girls who I think may one day give me the pussy in gratitude.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2540365]More power to you, and I truly wish, your generosity was genuine and boundless. But I wonder would you be as generous if there wasn't the attached prospect / hope of fucking the ladies you are generous to. I read so many post chiding those of us who pay the minimum or "local price", whether it be 500-1000-2000, claiming we are stingy and how much it is cheaper than Sydney / Vancouver / Timbuktu, as there you cannot get a pretty lady for 200-300 etc so we should be more than happy to pay much closer to the Syd / Van price, but in response when asked if their generosity extends to the lady at the foodcart, or the hotel maid or the tuktuk driver do they also try and pay prices closer to the home price, so as to be more socially equitable they always avoid answering.

Personally if you want to be generous with your money just walk out your hotel door, see little kids drinking from pools of water on Manila walkways, see your jeepney drivers tin shack huts, giving them money will ensure you are helping someone in genuine need, rather than giving money some to girl you met online who is crying poor (genuine or not is not totally unknown). ID rather know I wasn't being scammed and giving money to the genuine poor rather risk being scammed by a girls who I think may one day give me the pussy in gratitude.[/QUOTE]"Personally. ". Yes, you do you. I don't think anyone here's claiming to be altruistic. Nobody's taking a holier than thou stance here, except people calling them out.

Everyone here's here for 1 thing, and that's to get laid. So should it surprise you to hear that a guy's giving some money to a prostitute to get better service? Is it his primary motive for giving money to them? Is it his secondary? Does it matter?

How about you spend money as you see fit and I'll spend mine the way I want to?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2540486]"Personally. ". Yes, you do you. I don't think anyone here's claiming to be altruistic. Nobody's taking a holier than thou stance here, except people calling them out.

Everyone here's here for 1 thing, and that's to get laid. So should it surprise you to hear that a guy's giving some money to a prostitute to get better service? Is it his primary motive for giving money to them? Is it his secondary? Does it matter?

How about you spend money as you see fit and I'll spend mine the way I want to?[/QUOTE]Great, but this is where I have a issue.

If you aren't giving money away altruistically, where do you get off chiding others for "having a hot penis and a cold heart", your heart isn't any warmer when you give money with a ulterior motive, if anything its worse because you are being duplicitous and manipulative. Then to top it off you say "How about you spend money as you see fit and I'll spend mine the way I want to?" What happened to the first part of me paying how I want to.

What's equally humorous, is I recall you asking on the Vietnam thread how much it would cost to live there when you get regular access to 10 dollar spinner 19 yr old hotties posted on the picture thread, which by implication the next question would be how to access these bargain cuties. Notice how across the boards no one is sharing any really good intel how to find bargains and where to find gems? Well the answer may have something to do with guys saying its their money and they can pay as they please at the same time they are asking for good actionable intel for low prices attractive women. Then after over paying calling other cheap Charlie as a justification for overpaying.

This is the reason I will remain tight lipped about a manila massage parlour where FS is available with these girls for 2500, that way Ill pay what I please, and you can go to Kojax etc and pay 6000 for similar girls then claim you can pay how you want to.

FYI not my pics I'm not in country but I'm tight with many parlour mamasons who whatsapp / viber me pics if their current lineup.

Bottom line. We are ALL members of ISG for ONE purpose and ONE purpose only.

To find reliable intel on where to spend our money for our hobby. And while we're at it, to get it for as cheaply (local rates) as possible so we could get it at reasonable price and walk away happy and not feel cheated.

That's my take on this discussion.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2540517]Bottom line. We are ALL members of ISG for ONE purpose and ONE purpose only.

To find reliable intel on where to spend our money for our hobby. And while we're at it, to get it for as cheaply (local rates) as possible so we could get it at reasonable price and walk away happy and not feel cheated.

That's my take on this discussion.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Quite a few members purpose are here to tell us how much to pay, when to pay and who to pay. How much to tip.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2540688]Quite a few members purpose are here to tell us how much to pay, when to pay and who to pay. How much to tip.[/QUOTE]The members who tell others how much to pay are not too well endowed financially and think that other members paying what they think is too much will cause an increase in prices. All human beings seek happiness and my bottom line is to do whatever makes you happy as long as you are not harming others.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2540999]The members who tell others how much to pay are not too well endowed financially and think that other members paying what they think is too much will cause an increase in prices. All human beings seek happiness and my bottom line is to do whatever makes you happy as long as you are not harming others.[/QUOTE]What is often forgotten is that John's often fit into different groups and these are able and willing to pay different rates. A guy in town for 2 days business who wants to get laid tonight views everything completely differently to a Resident who can meet the girl when ever mutually convenient. Of course, the girls recognise this and present themselves at various price points accordingly.

It's not unusual for a 5000 p K-girl to make a quick phone call and accept 500 p from a local dive master when the rent is due.

I don't see any shame in being in either category.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2541040]What is often forgotten is that John's often fit into different groups and these are able and willing to pay different rates. A guy in town for 2 days business who wants to get laid tonight views everything completely differently to a Resident who can meet the girl when ever mutually convenient. Of course, the girls recognise this and present themselves at various price points accordingly.

It's not unusual for a 5000 p K-girl to make a quick phone call and accept 500 p from a local dive master when the rent is due.

I don't see any shame in being in either category.[/QUOTE]There should be no shame in it. What I take issue with is, is the condescending tone with which the board members who pay more use against the board members who pay less. And I'm with mutant chicken on this one. It's usually the guys who pay more who have no patience to do any of their own ground work or even read the forums who come to the board and ask the members who pay less where to go to find hot women. Why even help these types of people? I know MutantChickens playground is Vietnam which continues to be a great place for high quality / price ratios, but its a tough place to crack because not as much info is shared. Good for him. I don't see any incentive for people like MutantChicken who knows the scene there to help people who are going to come in and ruin the game for others.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2541727]There should be no shame in it. What I take issue with is, is the condescending tone with which the board members who pay more use against the board members who pay less. And I'm with mutant chicken on this one. It's usually the guys who pay more who have no patience to do any of their own ground work or even read the forums who come to the board and ask the members who pay less where to go to find hot women. Why even help these types of people? I know MutantChickens playground is Vietnam which continues to be a great place for high quality / price ratios, but its a tough place to crack because not as much info is shared. Good for him. I don't see any incentive for people like MutantChicken who knows the scene there to help people who are going to come in and ruin the game for others.[/QUOTE]Since my name was mentioned I'll add another 2 cents worth of opinion. Firstly someone has to have failed maths, if they think someone paying 1500p as opposed to say for example 3000p (a mere difference of 30 dollars, calculated over the average of say 1 girl a day over 2 weeks vacation) = 420 x 2-3 trips a year = max 1500. So this figure of 1500 per annum translates to the former being "less financially endowed" than the latter?

I put it forward, that the guy paying 1500, refuses to be charged a surcharge, that is more than likely due to be old, fat, clueless, simpering or just being a bad negotiator. Just like if you go into a car dealership and negotiate 10 k off the car, or you hire a plumber and negotiate 1 k off the job price, bargaining has nothing to do whether you can afford it or not is just simply good smart business. Similarly you wouldn't go into mcD and order a 1 dollar burger and then pay 20 dollars just because you can afford it.

Someone is now going to say how a girl isn't a burger or isn't a car and so the same comparisons can't be made, well my answer is these girls survived well before I turned up, they were happy to fuck their local boyfriends for free, they were happy to accept 500 p from the locals for some boom boom or the dive master when bills were due, and they were happy with my 1000 p given the repeats available to me. Any more excuses put forth to counter my points are pure simpering.

I challenge anyone to find posts of mine where I begrudged someone else paying more than me, what I have posted was xyz was available for less, I pointed out the hypocrisy of guys who says girls should be paid more due to some social justice equality BS, when they were unwilling to pay more to locals who weren't available for them to fuck and lastly I posted directly to guys like Blanq and Sinfullykorean, that if they say its their own money and they can pay as they please then why ask questions like how much its costs to live in xyz when you you have the attitude that you will pay as you please etc so if it costs me 1000 p and you will pay as you please how is my budget relevant to you, or why lament that "they wish people would just come here and share good intel".

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2288012]Yeah. I wish that too. But all RR does is talk down other mongers on their choice of girls and the prices they pay. And this is across threads. Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand. Indonesia. You name it. Just wish people would share meaningful intelligence rather than simply play Monday morning quarterback. Nothing personal against RR, but the condescending narrative gets tiring.[/QUOTE]So you tell everyone its your money and you can pay what you want and then you say why don't people share meaningful intel because you are not happy with the overpriced and mercenary women available

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2288012]And we are now left with a half-ass night life with deplorable places like Ipanema when over the hill hookers demand $200 for ST. Sure, the girls are Brix are decidedly better looking and carry themselves well. But with a price tag of over $400 simply does not cut ice with me. Did I tell you about the uber hot chicks at Karaoke joints around town? You might have to drop $1000 just to get started with a girl. Try China Doll if interested.[/QUOTE]

Well said 👏128079;128079;.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2540517]Bottom line. We are ALL members of ISG for ONE purpose and ONE purpose only.

To find reliable intel on where to spend our money for our hobby. And while we're at it, to get it for as cheaply (local rates) as possible so we could get it at reasonable price and walk away happy and not feel cheated.

That's my take on this discussion.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2541749]I challenge anyone to find posts of mine where I begrudged someone else paying more than me, what I have posted was xyz was available for less, I pointed out the hypocrisy of guys who says girls should be paid more due to some social justice equality BS, when they were unwilling to pay more to locals who weren't available for them to fuck and lastly I posted directly to guys like Blanq and Sinfullykorean, that if they say its their own money and they can pay as they please then why ask questions like how much its costs to live in xyz when you you have the attitude that you will pay as you please etc so if it costs me 1000 p and you will pay as you please how is my budget relevant to you, or why lament that "they wish people would just come here and share good intel".[/QUOTE]I'm not quite sure what you're insinuating. I try to put in my DD and RTFF. Sometimes, it's hard to sift through all the BS that goes on and find the relevant info. I appreciate the help when it's given and call out the bullshit from people who aren't helpful.

I've been asking about costs of hobbying and living as a monger in various forums because I'm getting ready to retire. I don't think I've ever said "it's my money, I'll do as I please. " Especially to someone who's trying to be helpful. When I ask about the cost of living, it's to maximize my retirement funds.

Honestly, I was curious as to what you're talking about, so I went back through all my post history and I don't think I've ever posted anything like that after inquiring about living costs.

The one time you might be alluding to is when I made my first trip out to Vietnam 2 years ago on a 3 day trip. I tried the hot tocs, blow job bars, nightclubs, massage shops, etc in the short 3 days. If I stayed longer, as I'm planning on doing in the future, I'll try much harder to play the longer and cheaper game. But I'm sure you can understand the difference in the mindset of a weekend warrior vs a retiree? Also, if it really is from my post 2 years ago. Maybe it's time to let go?

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2540365]More power to you, and I truly wish, your generosity was genuine and boundless. But I wonder would you be as generous if there wasn't the attached prospect / hope of fucking the ladies you are generous to. I read so many post chiding those of us who pay the minimum or "local price", whether it be 500-1000-2000, claiming we are stingy and how much it is cheaper than Sydney / Vancouver / Timbuktu, as there you cannot get a pretty lady for 200-300 etc so we should be more than happy to pay much closer to the Syd / Van price, but in response when asked if their generosity extends to the lady at the foodcart, or the hotel maid or the tuktuk driver do they also try and pay prices closer to the home price, so as to be more socially equitable they always avoid answering.

Personally if you want to be generous with your money just walk out your hotel door, see little kids drinking from pools of water on Manila walkways, see your jeepney drivers tin shack huts, giving them money will ensure you are helping someone in genuine need, rather than giving money some to girl you met online who is crying poor (genuine or not is not totally unknown). ID rather know I wasn't being scammed and giving money to the genuine poor rather risk being scammed by a girls who I think may one day give me the pussy in gratitude.[/QUOTE]I agree 1000% lots of good people can use a hand up in the Philippines.

99% of us here are in pursuit of good pussy are proper prices.

Overpaying a girl ensures her family gets 5% while she gets a new Ipad, iphone another pair of shoes and the ability to brag to her friends while making it a bit more difficult for the rest of us. You ain't doing nothing good but satisfying your own ego that you can. IF you can then give to a church.

The girls do have the ability to separate the over payers from the other guys. Personally I always go with being nice and being clean, being lucid or entirely sober and treating them well as opposed to bribing them.

Look back at your professional lives did you ever enjoy being bribed or forced? Most humans do things willingly and we all justify our actions to get things to get what we want, I go further and do my best to make it enjoyable. As proffered above many freebies, genuine actual freebies have found me and I accept them as I "earned" them and no I would never take from a poor person.

The best story of this was in Angeles a few years back I met a guy who liked to watch others fuck his crush. And he paid to rent the crush. OF course I thought this was fantastic and I fucked his favorite 75 lb pro well one evening.

She stayed the night (he left) I bought her breakfast and treated her like a proper human being. The rest of that trip she would arrive at my door after work 2 - 4 am (no bidding or requests on my part) and spend the night and have sex with me like friends or maybe for a free 100 peso breakfast I guess. We became "friends" but then a rich suitor took her.

Given the opportunity and we all have that opportunity be nice.

I never overpay girls for sex, but I do give on the streets. I tip cabbies (their actual costs there fuel car taxes are the same as we have here but they cost a fraction) but never overpay their no meter BS. I do buy things from the street vendors, tip good hotel staff but again I never over pay for anything.

Easy to do the "right" thing. Every girl I fucked chose to be there, every Girl! And almost all had a good time because I tried to make it a good time. I think 7 to 10 times there was no connection or they lied so they got 2 - 500 pesos and shown the door, never ever ever Pay for shit service ever and if they provide as promised always pay.

Now if you are an unwashed, chain smoking, halitosis breathing alcoholic well then likely you need to pay more and rightfully so that is obvious. But do it willingly as you are hideous to be with at least be honest about that and thank god you can get laid at all.

Sex is my religion its something I love and something I want to do with willing participants so that it is even better, I love making them cum and love when they want more.

If I see trouble I help anyone that is being forced against their will and have.

I think its pretty easy to be a good guy. Spreading good karma begets good karma. Easy to make almost all people smile there other than just bargirls.

And my final judgmental point as I know several families there across the economic spectrum. Don't fucking meet the parents of someone you have no interest in. It is embarrassing for all parties. Trust me good people don't care that you are "rich and not Filipino". No one needs that karma.

PP.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2542427].... I don't think I've ever said "it's my money, I'll do as I please. "....[/QUOTE]Why not? Wouldn't you like to pay a Filipina hooker US $1000 for a night's service a piss off so many guys on this board?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543987]Why not? Wouldn't you like to pay a Filipina hooker US $1000 for a night's service a piss off so many guys on this board?[/QUOTE]I do as I please with my money. I earned it. I spend it. If I don't have enough then I go earn more.

Couldn’t care what someone feels about it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543987]Why not? Wouldn't you like to pay a Filipina hooker US $1000 for a night's service a piss off so many guys on this board?[/QUOTE]Someone definitely is overestimating their impact on others, you aren't anything special that people would get pissed off over, no more so than a fly would. The only thing I would have been pissed about was knowing that my tax was used to to fund a education system that produces grown ass man like you who are unable to do simple addition and multiplication, something that by 12 yrs of age I and many others were experts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543987]Why not? Wouldn't you like to pay a Filipina hooker US $1000 for a night's service a piss off so many guys on this board?[/QUOTE]How would other guys find out? I've never been quoted and definitely never paid 50 k but if I did, I would be too embarrassed to go around bragging about it.

Most girls regard gross over payers as gullible desperates, ripe to be ripped off further. Providing awesome or additional services is the last thing they would be thinking. I'd suggest most mongers would think the same should someone gloat about it. Either that or give her a call and book a 1000 p hook up after she has blown all the money. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543987]Why not? Wouldn't you like to pay a Filipina hooker US $1000 for a night's service a piss off so many guys on this board?[/QUOTE]See what I mean? I have not even done it and have pissed off two mongers already.

Personally I don't care what anyone else does as long as it does not impact me either directly or indirectly.

People overpaying makes it harder for the rest of us to get the old prices, there will be a effect on prices. Once raised they will never come down.

If the going rate is 1500 and some guy comes along and pays 3000 then that girl brags about it and her friends want to be able to brag about getting 3500 and so on.

Now the guy who overpays should be educated about the going rate and how that impacts the rest of us over the long term.

I always want to be treated decently and believe that the best way is to treat people decently first. My target is not the pro and semi pros but the regular girls wanting to make a little extra. I currently have a stable of regular girls, in the province where I am, and give 1000 each visit. If they have a long bus trip to get here I will top that up with bus fare. If they are within 50 kms or so, I will go pick them up, they love that if they can get it.

That 1000 is per visit. I have one who typically comes for 2 or 3 nights each week and she is happy with the 1000 plus 200 bus fare unless I drive her home. She is the most enthusiastic cock sucker I have ever encountered. She will literally suck me raw if I let her.

OPf course meals etc are all on me, a nice restaurant meal is usually great but they really love it if I cook for them.

I make it clear to all that that is the limit of what they will get from me. A long term regular will perhaps get a little extra in an emergency but it will usually be an advance on future visits.

I do help out some long term regulars in Manila due to pandemic but they understand that it is advances on services not an outright gift. I know I will never het it all back in service but still low cost pussy.

When I have a life in, she will get an allowance, usually 7000 to 10000 per month with the understanding that she has to take care of relatives and family not additional from me. I might help a true emergency but do not consider bail, gambling debs or wanting to open a business an emergency. Medical is about all that would qualify and I will be asking how much others are giving too. Education for a deserving and capable family member could be considered but not some rip off school or tourism management courses. I want to see transcripts and will make tuition payments directly, not hand over cash.

My longer term relationships have almost always ended over a refusal to give additional money on demand.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2547568]Personally I don't care what anyone else does as long as it does not impact me either directly or indirectly.

People overpaying makes it harder for the rest of us to get the old prices, there will be a effect on prices. Once raised they will never come down.
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My longer term relationships have almost always ended over a refusal to give additional money on demand.[/QUOTE]Well said Mr Kabul Guy. I think there is a genuine difference in how money is perceived in the Ph v the West.

West: Wow, she gives great service for P1 k, if I give 3 x that price then I will get 3 times the service.

Perceived by her: This guy is an easy touch for extra cash.

Ph: Wow, that guy gave me P1 k for sex which I give away for free / much less to others. He will easily pay P10 k for other random things.

Perceived by me: Fuckoff, I'm paying for sex not other shit.

Confidently handling the monetary different perceptions will allow for a long term life in Ph. There are genuine girls with acceptable attitudes but we also have to be fast to dump the others.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2547568]When I have a life in, she will get an allowance, usually 7000 to 10000 per month with the understanding that she has to take care of relatives and family not additional from me. I might help a true emergency but do not consider bail, gambling debs or wanting to open a business an emergency. Medical is about all that would qualify and I will be asking how much others are giving too. Education for a deserving and capable family member could be considered but not some rip off school or tourism management courses. I want to see transcripts and will make tuition payments directly, not hand over cash.

My longer term relationships have almost always ended over a refusal to give additional money on demand.[/QUOTE]A lesson I had to learn the hard way but glad I did, back in the day while in the Navy I had a Pinay girlfriend (who was still other peoples girlfriend too) and we got into a massive argument about going forward when she said I had to turn over my pay to her and get my allowance. I said nope not going to happen and I got this "the woman is in charge of the household income in my culture, etc" and I said don't matter to me. Lights will be on, food in the kitchen and some savings will hopefully be had but I'm not turning my hard earned scratch over to someone to handle. Plus while out at sea on deployment I would have had to pay for my meals monthly (Officers had to pay each month their meal fees) and of course she blew up saying all I wanted to do was spend it on booze and women (true). Glad I went my own way since even back then she was sending back money from her then husband / boyfriends to support for some niece's tuition, medical bills, or whatever.

I've had a few before the COVID lockdown in Singapore that were some of my kept ladies that I like to see and I don't mind paying for their services, but while laying up and she gets a phone from Otay that she needs to pay her nieces tuition I let them know the night is still young and you may want to go back out to work since I'm not the one for taking care of extended family just because.

Same thing today, with some of my internet women. I will send a few bucks but I expect something in return and one sends some pretty decent selfies and movies and IMO deserves a tip or two. But some have gotten lazy these days by sending you a blurry photo and they claim it's them and expect you to drop coin on them.

Money will make or break any type of relationship it seems. It's not that I'm against giving to play, but not so much for the extended family to mooch off me while there may be able bodied people able to put in a days work but don't want to.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2547895] Same thing today, with some of my internet women. I will send a few bucks but I expect something in return and one sends some pretty decent selfies and movies and IMO deserves a tip or two. But some have gotten lazy these days by sending you a blurry photo and they claim it's them and expect you to drop coin on them.

Money will make or break any type of relationship it seems. It's not that I'm against giving to play, but not so much for the extended family to mooch off me while there may be able bodied people able to put in a days work but don't want to.[/QUOTE]Some would argue getting a few naked selfies is not getting anything in return. Likewise some lonely old man living in Alaska being able to talk to his Pinoy "girlfriend" who he as supported for the last 5 yrs, that little bit of human contact so he can continue his fantasy is well worth the return. To me both activities "enables" these women to try and get money by other ways, ways I would call manipulative to earn money rather than direct fucking. This behavior of men is what allows 40 yr old women to make 4 k usd selling farting vids, or 40 yr old pinoys to make a decent income posting old naked selfies on their alua pages or sending it to horny old men.

I'm still receiving a lot more requests for load than cold hard cash. I haven't investigated but expect the girls are onselling these or returning to the service providers. Most get offended when I say I don't send cash to unknown girls, saying they asked for load not cash.

I'd agree that naked selfies are not something I would pay for. Normally I'm in country pretty frequently so access to the real thing is easy. I receive a small amount free and unsolicited anyway Even at home there is unlimited access to free pina porn. I guess it's more attractive for guys that will never arrive.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2547895]A lesson I had to learn the hard way but glad I did, back in the day while in the Navy I had a Pinay girlfriend (who was still other peoples girlfriend too) and we got into a massive argument about going forward when she said I had to turn over my pay to her and get my allowance. I said nope not going to happen and I got this "the woman is in charge of the household income in my culture, etc" and I said don't matter to me. Lights will be on, food in the kitchen and some savings will hopefully be had but I'm not turning my hard earned scratch over to someone to handle. Plus while out at sea on deployment I would have had to pay for my meals monthly (Officers had to pay each month their meal fees) and of course she blew up saying all I wanted to do was spend it on booze and women (true). Glad I went my own way since even back then she was sending back money from her then husband / boyfriends to support for some niece's tuition, medical bills, or whatever.[/QUOTE]I am surprised that you did not agree to hand over your salary to her as part of the marriage. No Filipina wife is happy unless her foreigner husband hands over his income and financial accounts to her. As she said, it is part of her culture. When you refused to trust her with your salary and bank accounts, she did not see any point in proceeding with the marriage. After all, she can get unlimited squid dick free at any naval port.

Most married expat mongers hand over all of their income to their Filipina wife and she puts them on a small allowance after dividing it up with the extended family. Her mama and papa get the biggest cut of the pork. They will brag to the whole village that you have a big heart. Many expat mongers on here will tell you that they are happier than a pig in shit with this arrangement, as it keeps their LBFM sucking their aged marshmallows.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2548211]I am surprised that you did not agree to hand over your salary to her as part of the marriage. No Filipina wife is happy unless her foreigner husband hands over his income and financial accounts to her. As she said, it is part of her culture. When you refused to trust her with your salary and bank accounts, she did not see any point in proceeding with the marriage. After all, she can get unlimited squid dick free at any naval port.

Most married expat mongers hand over all of their income to their Filipina wife and she puts them on a small allowance after dividing it up with the extended family. Her mama and papa get the biggest cut of the pork. They will brag to the whole village that you have a big heart. Many expat mongers on here will tell you that they are happier than a pig in shit with this arrangement, as it keeps their LBFM sucking their aged marshmallows.[/QUOTE]Not just Pinays. I'm married to a Japanese and some of our biggest arguments have been over money. But I put my foot down a long time ago on the advice of one of my old Captains who was married for almost 20 years to an American woman who divorced him and now gets half his retirement. Keep the money separate. Have a joint account which you both contribute and keep some for yourself. I do this, with me being the only contributor to the joint account but I don't mind since I leave myself more than I need and will adjust my personal money to ensure that the family is first. I've found that with most Eastern women, money (or who controls) is more on their minds than one would think. Wife's family has their own money and I am sure that when it is dispersed out, I'm not going to be told how much it is and really don't care. I've made it this far without their help and will continue to do so.

But some of the stories I have seen guys go through with handing financial control over to the wife would be worse than any horror story you have ever heard or seen. Case in point, I knew of a guy who gave his wife (a Japanese woman who was certified crazy) access to his military pay account so she could actually see his pay and his leave balances and would hound him at every step on when she saw something she didn't like. We went on temporary duty once, and when we got back she came to the base and argued with him in front of us and refused to drive him home because he had lost a receipt to Burger King that we had lunch at one day and she was upset, her thinking that he was spending it on strippers. When I told him he needed to get control and open up a private account he said she had access to his pay account and would find out. Don't want to get into the weeds on how I told him he could overcome this, but I guess he was just resigned to bring his Japanese wife into RWML and this was the cost he had to pay.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2548211]I am surprised that you did not agree to hand over your salary to her as part of the marriage...... Her mama and papa get the biggest cut of the pork.[/QUOTE]Does the trike driver not get a cut?

NCR has moved into a slightly less-restrictive lockdown starting today:

[URL]https://www.cnn.ph/news/2021/4/12/MECQ-guidelines-April-2021-Metro-Manila.html[/URL]

From the article:

[I]Metro Manila (CNN Philippines, April 12) With the announcement of the shift of Metro Manila and several provinces to modified enhanced community quarantine or MECQ starting April 12, confusion also ensued because of the national government's ever-changing guidelines.

SNIP

For now, what is clear is Metro Manila will impose a unified curfew hour from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. Authorized persons outside of residence are exempted from the curfew.

Curfew hours in Cavite will be from 10 p.m. to 4:30 a.m.

Outdoor dine-in with 50% capacity is allowed as long as there are acrylic dividers and diners are seated diagonally, while dining inside restaurants is not allowed. Restaurants can also accommodate takeout orders.

Public transportation will remain limited to authorized persons outside of residence during the imposition of MECQ.[/I]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2544118]How would other guys find out? I've never been quoted and definitely never paid 50 k but if I did, I would be too embarrassed to go around bragging about it..[/QUOTE]In Manila booking with models / car show girls / TV stars etc, at 50 K is a reality. Its a market just like 5/10 K USD / night girls are a market in NYC.

The funny part is that none of the girls client are westerners.

It's mostly rich locals who are willing to pay a lot for beauty trades that most western wouldn't even identify or care for, and a few Chinese / Koreans that are in the high roller circles at Okada / Sun City.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2552504]In Manila booking with models / car show girls / TV stars etc, at 50 K is a reality. Its a market just like 5/10 K USD / night girls are a market in NYC.

The funny part is that none of the girls client are westerners.

It's mostly rich locals who are willing to pay a lot for beauty trades that most western wouldn't even identify or care for, and a few Chinese / Koreans that are in the high roller circles at Okada / Sun City.[/QUOTE]A valid point. I've often said that despite what we may think mongers operate in the middle of the market: too scared of skid row and not invited to the real party.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EscortFan;2552504]In Manila booking with models / car show girls / TV stars etc, at 50 K is a reality. Its a market just like 5/10 K USD / night girls are a market in NYC.

The funny part is that none of the girls client are westerners.

It's mostly rich locals who are willing to pay a lot for beauty trades that most western wouldn't even identify or care for, and a few Chinese / Koreans that are in the high roller circles at Okada / Sun City.[/QUOTE]I would agree with that as some politicians, high rolling Koreans / PRCs would easily pay this. Some would ask to see a few girls and choose the ones they fancy, and pay off those not chosen.

I know a few models / playmates and they easily get 25 k pesos a pop. I don't pay that rate as I get 'mates rates' or even cheaper LOL In the end with the lock down there are less punters around and more sellers IMHO so rates may fall.

I'm 40 yr / old white guy from USA.

I started using Tinder and I get a ton of matches. 100's of them and I can chat with the girls through tinder.

Does anyone know when I try meeting these girls when I can finally fly to Manila. Will these girls actually meet up in person? Do I stand a good chance at having sex with them?

2nd question. Since I'm 40 years old, would you say I should go for the 30-39 or the 20-29 year old girls? Who are easier to meet up with and which ones are more fun to date?

Thanks for advice into this.

Whao Edward5, looks like you never read any reports in these Phil forums.

All posts are about exactly the questions you ask. In all the forums dedicated to phil.

Strange.

[QUOTE=Edward5;2555290]I'm 40 yr / old white guy from USA.

I started using Tinder and I get a ton of matches. 100's of them and I can chat with the girls through tinder.

Does anyone know when I try meeting these girls when I can finally fly to Manila. Will these girls actually meet up in person? Do I stand a good chance at having sex with them?

2nd question. Since I'm 40 years old, would you say I should go for the 30-39 or the 20-29 year old girls? Who are easier to meet up with and which ones are more fun to date?

Thanks for advice into this.[/QUOTE]Some very general comments about Tinder in PI:

It's typically point and shoot meaning she's available and wants to come around now. Forget about a long distance romance to woo her on arrival.

Attention spans are very short. If you haven't got her number in 3 messages she will move in to other prospects. If you like the look of her, get her number and contact her again when you arrive. Obviously, that assumes she hasn't changed her number in the meantime, a regular occurrence with the girls.

Pretty much anyone on tinder will meet and fuck you. Some may have a preference for age but that's the minority. No need to lie about your circumstances.

Of all the apps, Tinder often has better looking girls, more professional and they charge accordingly. 5 k overnight is normal and an outrageous 15 k isn't unheard of.

Many, many ladyboys there but they rarely hide it and will be honest if you are unsure and ask directly.

As always there are exception so give it a try and see if you like it.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Edward5;2555290]I'm 40 yr / old white guy from USA.

I started using Tinder and I get a ton of matches. 100's of them and I can chat with the girls through tinder.

Does anyone know when I try meeting these girls when I can finally fly to Manila. Will these girls actually meet up in person? Do I stand a good chance at having sex with them?

2nd question. Since I'm 40 years old, would you say I should go for the 30-39 or the 20-29 year old girls? Who are easier to meet up with and which ones are more fun to date?

Thanks for advice into this.[/QUOTE]Eddie, you are considered young. Go for 18+. Read the forum.

[QUOTE=Edward5;2555290]I'm 40 yr / old white guy from USA.

I started using Tinder and I get a ton of matches. 100's of them and I can chat with the girls through tinder.

Does anyone know when I try meeting these girls when I can finally fly to Manila. Will these girls actually meet up in person? Do I stand a good chance at having sex with them?

2nd question. Since I'm 40 years old, would you say I should go for the 30-39 or the 20-29 year old girls? Who are easier to meet up with and which ones are more fun to date?

Thanks for advice into this.[/QUOTE]Go for the 30+ yo girls. Leave the 20-29 yo for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2555490]Go for the 30+ yo girls. Leave the 20-29 yo for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Please make sure the girls you are chatiing are real. On Tinder, many of the profiles are fake and you may be chatting with a guy or an ugly girl. Never send any money for taxi first as some will ask and never show up. I have a good friend who lives there many years and learned the hard way.

The funner girls are imn the 20-28 year old range, but a few in their early thirties are attractive. The Filipino girls mature early so at 24 they are are already very mature. Also, age for Filipina women does not matter so as long as you act young and fun, you will have a blast.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555314]Of all the apps, Tinder often has better looking girls, more professional and they charge accordingly. 5 k overnight is normal and an outrageous 15 k isn't unheard of.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Can you explain why you brought up prices?

I thought the girls I meet on Tinder will not charge me money? Are these not regular girls who are looking for a meetup?

How would I know if they are working girls or not? I mean the matches are random and nobody puts on their tinder that they want money?

[QUOTE=Edward5;2555564]Can you explain why you brought up prices?

I thought the girls I meet on Tinder will not charge me money? Are these not regular girls who are looking for a meetup?

How would I know if they are working girls or not? I mean the matches are random and nobody puts on their tinder that they want money?[/QUOTE]If you are looking for girls that don't ask money, you can just put in your profile that not interested in girls asking money.

So you filter off all the service providers.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2555607]If you are looking for girls that don't ask money, you can just put in your profile that not interested in girls asking money.

So you filter off all the service providers.[/QUOTE]Then that would invoke Life rule #1. No money. No honey.

[QUOTE=Edward5;2555564]Can you explain why you brought up prices?

I thought the girls I meet on Tinder will not charge me money? Are these not regular girls who are looking for a meetup?

How would I know if they are working girls or not? I mean the matches are random and nobody puts on their tinder that they want money?[/QUOTE]Q1/ Because Tinder PI is generally regarded as a meat market.

Q2/ They won't mention money. While you are at home and talking about meeting in 12 months time. When you are in a Makati hotel and want to meet tonight they will. Some will quote a rate for services. Others will need "help" with transport, rent or school fees. There are some regular girls but they are in the minority and money very often becomes a topic of conversation or a direct request.

Q3/. If money is brought up then they are working. If you offer money and they accept then they are working. If you offer money and they refuse they are not working. If you didn't pay and they don't want to return they were working.

I've answered your specific questions but I should also say that regular girls and freebies are readily available. Especially so if your not too old, reasonably presentable and treat the girls well. Interestingly, freebies from working girls after a good time are not unheard of. For regular girls, just treat them like home. Be respectful and entertaining, be prepared to meet her with a friend in tow the first time, accept that sex may or may not need a platonic first date.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555624]Q1/ Because Tinder PI is generally regarded as a meat market.

Q2/ They won't mention money. While you are at home and talking about meeting in 12 months time. When you are in a Makati hotel and want to meet tonight they will. Some will quote a rate for services. Others will need "help" with transport, rent or school fees. There are some regular girls but they are in the minority and money very often becomes a topic of conversation or a direct request.

Q3/. If money is brought up then they are working. If you offer money and they accept then they are working. If you offer money and they refuse they are not working. If you didn't pay and they don't want to return they were working.

I've answered your specific questions but I should also say that regular girls and freebies are readily available. Especially so if your not too old, reasonably presentable and treat the girls well. Interestingly, freebies from working girls after a good time are not unheard of. For regular girls, just treat them like home. Be respectful and entertaining, be prepared to meet her with a friend in tow the first time, accept that sex may or may not need a platonic first date.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Outside of US (and may be some Western European countries), Tinder is a PPM platform. I have found non-pros (Filipinos on their holiday Sunday in Hong Kong, Univ girls in Manila / Cebu, single moms in Caribbean / South America) as well as working girls (primarily Macau, DR, Puerto Rico, Colombia, Vietnam. Cambodia, Thailand).

Usually the talk track for money comes up either by them asking (pros get to it quickly, non-pros may hint "what are we going to do?

I suggest you read through the forums as there is a wealth of information about approaching etc.

Kris.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2555682]non-pros may hint "what are we going to do?.[/QUOTE]I always like to give them a guilt free way to confirm the situation: "What would you like to do? Relax? Have some fun? Both?" Invariably it's "Both".

At Ed5: "Fun" online always means sex.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555934]I always like to give them a guilt free way to confirm the situation: "What would you like to do? Relax? Have some fun? Both?" Invariably it's "Both".[/QUOTE]Not me. If they are exhibiting hooker behavior I ask them right out if they are a hooker. And I tell them what made me ask; because only hookers do that shit you are doing.

Funny shit. Laat Sunday afternoon me and my girlfriend were at a restaurant in her small town in Brazil. Some chicks rolled through being led by a butch. One chick had on clear shoes and a redhead chick had on a green dress. There were 2 more chicks as well. I told my girlfriend look at those hookers over there. Why do hookers always wear clear shoes? She said yes, they pretty much look like hookers.

That place closed and we were riding through the next town and saw the chicks get out of an Uber going to a bar. That night when my girlfriend went to sleep, I got on one of Brazil's biggest hooker websites and looked under this small town, suprised they even had listings. One of the 5 ads that I saw was the chick that had the red hair and green dress. I fucking knew it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2555950]Not me. If they are exhibiting hooker behavior I ask them right out if they are a hooker.[/QUOTE]I've never gotten any benefit from this. Any hard core hooker is going to be blatantly obvious (as you showed above), even to the point of telling me her price before even being asked. Any one on the fence / semipro may be scared off or embarrassed to admit it directly.

Generally speaking, I prefer the semis anyway: less hardened and often more fun. That's why I'm happy to play the game that they are "students" or similar.

Enjoy Brazil. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555959]I've never gotten any benefit from this. Any hard core hooker is going to be blatantly obvious (as you showed above), even to the point of telling me her price before even being asked. Any one on the fence / semipro may be scared off or embarrassed to admit it directly.

Generally speaking, I prefer the semis anyway: less hardened and often more fun. That's why I'm happy to play the game that they are "students" or similar.

Enjoy Brazil. G.[/QUOTE]Even a hardened hooker can fool you as a day old virgin LOL!

Pic taken during the April ECQ in Manila. Various compounds, streets, or blocks are cut off from entry / exit due to new case spikes, often for 24 hours, or several days. QC got hit with lockdowns pretty regularly during that time.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2555607]

If you are looking for girls that don't ask money, you can just put in your profile that not interested in girls asking money.

So you filter off all the service providers.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% you must put that you are not looking for Goldiggers and Escorts, I even put it in capital letters so they won't miss it. It does filter most of the goldiggers and escorts. But you will still get afew who you will later on find out they were escorts, but very few mostly the ones who keep in touch with you will be normal girls looking to date and possibly have a relationship with you.

I met alot of freebies on Tinder that way, just be patient, because some of these girls won't meet you right away, so just add them in your fake Facebook account, chat them for afew days and then they are ready to meet. On your Facebook you need to have your real pictures, I have pics of many places I travel before, and I'm always smiling on my pics. The point is that they need to trust you, and that you are real and a good person. You can get hot girls freebies like this, videocalling them is another way to meet them right away.

Just make sure to be honest and tell them that you are not looking for serious relationship after you had the first sex, specially if you notice they are falling for you. You don't want to hurt them because they are good girls looking for serious relationship. Karma will bite your ass if you do that.

Even if the girl is very hot don't be afraid of losing them when you tell them your real intentions. That's why is better if you have hot GF in the side, so you are not afraid of losing the hot girls.

I notice when I was single and I didn't have a hot GF in the side, I will delay telling the hot girls that I wasn't looking for relationship so that I can keep seeing them.

Funny thing is some of the hot girls will still want to meet me even when I told them I have a GF. But very few of them of course. I guess the very few that still wanted to meet me were hoping that I will breakup with my GF and be with them.

But like one of the mongers said, it helps alot if you are young and not too old, I'm 40 and I can easily pass as 29-30 yrs old (when I cut my hair, LOL).

I leave in Nepal and have travelled to Manila couple of times, is one of the best place to my mongering experience. Whenever I have travel towards Pacific, I try to stop by Manila where I have got some of my best experiences in life. It was 12 yrs ago, I was walking in Makati, just popped out of the famous LA Cafe, now Manila bay Cafe, a Taxi driver signalled me towards him and as I leaned down to the window to listen him, "wd you like to try college students Sir?" With a sudden jerk of Fantasy, I dived on his front seat and the driver signalled to keep quiet. He drove me around 25 minutes till we entered a lane around residential area and finally stopped by a 2 storey green coloured house. Upon entering, we were greeted by a man who took me to a hall where I was introduced to a middle aged descent looking lady in the hall. She asked me if I would like to stay at her place or go to my hotel, I said I prefer Hotel and need an overnight company. She just clapped gently and there came around 20 girls in different casual dress ups like students in University and lined up by three sides of the wall. The lady who was bit curvy but nice built, touched my chicks and said, "You are very handsome, all my girls die for you, who you like?" Suddenly, a curvy chick on jeans with beautiful smile popped up and said, "Please take me sir, you are so handsome, I want to stay with you and let you do whatever you like for a month, till I become pregnant, want to have a handsome boy like you" !

I was bit confused and also worried since I had this kind of experience FR the first time however, showed courage and stared on the line 4-5 times, left to right and again back. Girls were all excited to go with me but picked the one, whitish girl with glass who looked most silent and quite. I found her very natural. The lady clapped on me and said, "you know how to choose the best out of girls". I had to pay 7 k pesos FR taking the girl back to my Hotel FR overnight.

Back in hotel, the girl was very sie and this was her 3rd time with a man. She started work to cover her expenses on Nursing studies since her father as Chef's income was not enough. I made her go for shower and there she came back with sparkling whitish body, long hair, sporty legs and flat belley. She was so quiet and followed whatever I said, she had no experience of a blow job but I made her take on mouth and she did just to make me happy. Upon action, black hairy pussy amid whitish skin, she cried a bit when I pressed my dick hard inside, was ok bit later as she started enjoying. That was one of my most memorable moment of mongering. It was good 6-7 minutes of action with a girl who neither moved nor responded but just kept following me in her action and rhythms!

I have been to Manila 4 times after that but never caught by a Taxi driver who CD drive me to similar place. Guys, any of you know what kind of place it is and if they still exist? I would love to plan a holiday specially to visit similar place again!

[QUOTE=TravelTop;2563477]I have been to Manila 4 times after that but never caught by a Taxi driver who CD drive me to similar place. Guys, any of you know what kind of place it is and if they still exist? I would love to plan a holiday specially to visit similar place again![/QUOTE]These are what are called casa or dorms, by locals and guys who have reported this previously on this forum. Your tastes / standards must be considerably lower than mine, as I have been twice, once with a guide and once alone, most recently 3-4 yrs ago. In my opinion and from what I vaguely remember, from the 3 casas I went to, 2 being reasonably near La cafe, the other towards QC near a fire station if I recall correctly. The quality of the girls were very average, I didn't see anyone that really impressed me and I think I was quoted 2 k-2.5 k (alone) and 3 k with a guide. I could be wrong with the exact figure as I recall it was significantly more than prices in AC, and the same as the saunas in manila IE 2-3 k. I didn't ask if the price was for ST or LT as the girls were not attractive enough for me to warrant further investigation.

Two years ago when I was hanging out at some local brothels where the price was 1500-2500ST, I spoke to locals and they told me these casa have all closed down. That could be true or they simply didn't know but anyway, I'm sure if you asked a taxi you will again be guided there for the usual commissions.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;2563477]I leave in Nepal and have travelled to Manila couple of times, is one of the best place to my mongering experience. Whenever I have travel towards Pacific, I try to stop by Manila where I have got some of my best experiences in life. It was 12 yrs ago, I was walking in Makati, just popped out of the famous LA Cafe, now Manila bay Cafe, a Taxi driver signalled me towards him and as I leaned down to the window to listen him, "wd you like to try college students Sir?" With a sudden jerk of Fantasy, I dived on his front seat and the driver signalled to keep quiet. He drove me around 25 minutes till we entered a lane around residential area and finally stopped by a 2 storey green coloured house. Upon entering, we were greeted by a man who took me to a hall where I was introduced to a middle aged descent looking lady in the hall. She asked me if I would like to stay at her place or go to my hotel, I said I prefer Hotel and need an overnight company. She just clapped gently and there came around 20 girls in different casual dress ups like students in University and lined up by three sides of the wall. The lady who was bit curvy but nice built, touched my chicks and said, "You are very handsome, all my girls die for you, who you like?" Suddenly, a curvy chick on jeans with beautiful smile popped up and said, "Please take me sir, you are so handsome, I want to stay with you and let you do whatever you like for a month, till I become pregnant, want to have a handsome boy like you" !

I have been to Manila 4 times after that but never caught by a Taxi driver who CD drive me to similar place. Guys, any of you know what kind of place it is and if they still exist? I would love to plan a holiday specially to visit similar place again![/QUOTE]You are lucky nobody threatened or robbed you. Manila is a big city and there are lots of scams going on. Besides in some cases police are in on it. I have had some taxi drivers / pimps suggest the same. Never had the guts to try. I always look for the safe option. There are plenty of young college girls in dating sites.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;2563477]SNIP Whenever I have travel towards Pacific, I try to stop by Manila where I have got some of my best experiences in life. It was 12 yrs ago, I was walking in Makati, just popped out of the famous LA Cafe, now Manila bay Cafe, [/QUOTE]Overall a good (if way previous) field report. Glad you so enjoyed the place. Phils is a place of wonder, oddity, delight, and danger all at the same time.

Regarding LAC. Was rolling down del Pilar in a jeep a few months ago, early evening, past LAC. The lights were on outside and inside, the two front doors were thrown wide open. Inside I noticed two waitresses, no customers. A few evenings later I waltzed by, the doors were again wide open and a handful of customers were inside. The tables are now socially distanced with plexiglass separating customers. Two late-20's gals, possibly working gals, were chatting at one table without food or drink. Several other customers were sitting alone with drink and food. The waitress came over and explained that its 'food only sir', open 7 am-10 pm. Exact same exciting menu as before. The aircon is on with the doors wide open as I passed by sporadically since then.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;2563477]....I was bit confused and also worried since I had this kind of experience FR the first time however, showed courage and stared on the line 4-5 times, left to right and again back. Girls were all excited to go with me but picked the one, whitish girl with glass who looked most silent and quite. I found her very natural. The lady clapped on me and said, "you know how to choose the best out of girls". I had to pay 7 k pesos FR taking the girl back to my Hotel FR overnight....[/QUOTE]From your description the girls sound quite delicious especially the one you chose. Seems to be a locals only place, we do know that locals tend to keep the best girls for themselves. Would like to sample similar girls when I next visit the Philippines, whenever that may be.

Grab taxi. Shenanigans.

I grab a lot, sometimes several times a day. For the past 2 months, about 1 in 3 drivers has been pulling a gimmick. You have to pay attention at the start of the ride, to make sure the driver sets the meter at flag fall (p40 still). The normal procedure and fare is usually as such: You get charged the metered fare + the Grab fee (lowest Grab fee is p35, highest I think is p60, depending time of day, traffic congestion, route, etc). At the end of your ride, there should be no question about your final Grab ride fare. If the meter reads p140, and the Grab fee is p35, your final fare (receipt) should be p175. If you ask the driver for a receipt, he must produce one, and it will show the 140 metered fare. In the app, when telling the app your originating point (E) and final destination (F), the grab fee is set, and shown to you. Also a range is shown to you in pesos; example p132 - p178. I was not aware of it until I was chatting a driver, but Grab's promise is to not charge you any less than the minimum (p132) or more than the maximum (p178), regardless of the final fare. I confirmed that with several other drivers.

The gimmick is as such: The driver doesn't set the meter. Normally with the meter running, you should know the final fare by adding the Grab fee to the metered fare (if you remember the Grab fee from the app, which Grab hides quickly from you after you hit the button to order your taxi, and makes it difficult for you to find later -- you must contact Grab and ask what the Grab fee is, as they no longer include it in their emailed receipts). However when you reach your destination you notice the meter is off. You ask the driver what is the metered fare. "It is in your app sir, just look". So you look in your app and the metered fare does not show. You hand your phone to the driver and ask him to show it to you on your app, but he can't. "Sir its in the previous screen when you ordered the taxi. Its gone now". Interesting, I don't remember the final metered fare being possible to know when I ordered your taxi, as you had not yet arrived to pick me up. "No sir, you will see it on your receipt later". Actually guy, I will not, they no longer show the separated fare + grab fee in the receipt*.

My good man, I want to know now what is the metered fare. "OK I will show you". He pulls up his Grab app, which is ready for him to fill in the metered fare. The Grab fee of p35 already shows, and can't be changed. On the bottom, it shows the maximum of the previous range (p132-p178), or p178. He must type into the metered fare box a number (pesos) for himself. He then minimizes the app, and opens his calculator. He subtracts, 178-35 = 143. He goes back to his Grab app and enters 143 into his metered fare. "There sir your meter is p143". Before I could balk he hit the SUBMIT button.

What a ripoff! If traffic is heavy, the normal fare for that route would be about p130-150-ish, and a p143 would be fine. But in light traffic, that meter might run at p110. With Grab fee of 35, that's p145 (not p178). Its more for him in light traffic.

Drivers have given several incorrect excuses for this 'maximizing' his fare biz. One of them: "Sir this is Grab car. The amount is set advance. You pay the maximum the range". He is conflating his 'Grab Taxi' (meter + Grab fee) with a 'Grab Car' (fare is always higher than the ranged maximum, is set in advance and agreed to by the customer when ordering the car).

I discovered that contacting Grab to ask about this is very difficult in their 'Help' section. I had to file a driver complaint. In the complaint you MUST fill in a box that asks you how much you were overcharged. If your complaint does not involve an overcharge, you can not complain to Grab. I entered p35 overcharge (was not sure how much to enter, so I used the Grab fee amount). It took several days to receive back the obligatory "We received your complaint. We will look into this" reply. Several days after that, they replied with such: "We have investigated and found the driver is at fault for claiming to be a Grab Car. He has received a strike. You are credited p35 to your credit card".

OK, Grab has done the right thing. However this happened again and again, even during the 1 week that Grab was investigating. I started entering large 'overcharge' amounts, just for fun. I reported many of the drivers, always with the same response: "he has received a strike. You are credited p110 to your credit card". That was for a p155 ride. Grab kept their fee (p35), giving the driver almost nothing. Fascinating; they were taking my overcharge amount and giving it back to me, regardless what I put into the box. BTW, I don't have any remorse for driver's misbehavior in this matter.

Two days ago, I thought the same situation had popped up. A driver picked me up and drove about 1 block when I noticed the meter off. I told him to turn it on. "Not needed sir. This is Grab. You look in your app for the meter part". I was well aware that the final meter couldn't be in the app prior to the drop off, and asked him to turn on the meter. "OK", and he did. A minute later I noticed that the timer was mis-counting seconds, about 4 seconds for each real second. I pointed it out to the driver. "Sir you said to run the meter". Yes, but its running way too fast. He turned it off, then back on. This time it was running to fast again, but at a rate of 2 shown seconds to each real second, still to fast. The driver pulled over and we stared at it. "Hmmmm. What you want to do?" I was tempted to get out and cancel the ride and get a regular taxi. "Wait", he said. He turned off the meter and turned it back on, and the timer was showing normal seconds speed. Off we went. When we arrived, it showed p102 on a meter that should have read p120+, due to our driving initially with the meter off. He entered p102 for himself in the app, and that was it. I reported the taxi for having a bad meter, and the driver for trying to not run the meter. Bad boi!

On another occasion I was taking a ride where the metered fare should have been p80-90 (plus separate Grab fee) for that time of day (early Sunday morning, almost zero traffic). I noticed the driver had not turned on the meter, and I asked him to do so. He gave the same routine: "Sir its set advance in your Grab app". Still guy, I'd like you to run your meter. "Sir apology, I can not. The meter is broken in this car". I see. We were halfway to the destination. OK fella, you can put me out here and we cancel the fare, or we can continue. "OK we go". Once we arrived, he apologized, opened his Grab app to enter the metered fare. It showed the p35 Grab fee, and the open box for entering the meter amount. He pointed to the empty metered fare box and asked: "How much sir? Up to you". Very nice call on his part. I told him 80, which he entered, and that ended it. I reported the attempted use of the maximum price, and he too got a strike. Anyone know what a Grab 'strike' is? How does it effect the driver?

* More Grab shenanigans coming soon.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2573179]Grab taxi. Shenanigans.[/QUOTE]And people think I'm crazy preferring to walk everywhere. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2573259]And people think I'm crazy preferring to walk everywhere.[/QUOTE]I'm with you, I often take a morning and evening walk. But sometimes there is rain, or its just to hot, or too far.

Grab, Part II coming soon. And don't get me started on Waze.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2573179]Grab taxi. Shenanigans.
* More Grab shenanigans coming soon.[/QUOTE]You are an amazing source of information. I like your obsession in researching this.

Grab shenanigans, part II.

Prior to Covid, my emailed Grab receipts always included 1) The metered fare; 2) The Grab fee; 3) The total (meter + Grab fee). Sometime after Covid, in the app, I looked at my 'Activity', which shows all of your previous rides, starting with the most recent, going backwards in time. My Activity reports for each ride simply showed my departure and destinations, a small map of such, and the TOTAL PAID. There was no breakdown of the meter and Grab fee; just the total showed. How much was that darned Grab fee?

I went to my emailed receipts, which show the same things. In addition the emailed receipt showed the distance (km) and the time in minutes. A total, but no metered fare or Grab fee separation. I later filed another overcharge complaint, and this time I asked for Grab to separate out the metered fare and also the Grab fee. Days later, a reply from Grab. Instead of telling me the amounts for the meter and Grab fee, they explained to me how the customer could calculate the amounts. It was infuriating, suggesting: I do maths and figure out the Grab fee. Can you humor me and just look up the metered fare and the grab fee for me? Why is getting the Grab fee for a particular ride feel like pulling teeth?

Days later, they did it, they sent the separate meter, Grab fee, and total. They suggested that the Grab fee was in the app and receipt. No, its not. I screen captured the receipt and emailed it back. Then they confessed that the fee was not there. No sh*t. Now what? A few days later, similar to this: "We are looking into this. It appears we have stopped showing the meter and the Grab fee as separate". You mean, like, 6 months ago, right? Days later, such as: "We don't know how this happened". Really, I am the only one to point this out? Its also happening in my phone app 'Activty', ma'am. Later, such as: "We are working to correct".

Days later I replied: Any success on the fix? I still get email receipts and Activity showing totals only. A week or so later, such as: "They are working on it". Weeks later: Any success on the fix? Days later, such as: "They are working on it".

The Grab fee only shows in the app when the map of your origin and destination points shows when you are ordering a ride. On the bottom, you must choose a Taxi or Grab Car. The Taxi option shows the Grab booking fee (ie, p35 or p50 or such, and in very small font size). But you only see that once, at that time. After you choose the Taxi option and click 'Book A Ride', you will have trouble finding it again. After your ride, you might have trouble finding your metered fare also. One of Grab's email replies implied as much. Yes, sweet lady, I know. But just like at McDonald's, I can see the price of the hamburger on the menu. And later I like to check the receipt to see the individual items ordered, and to see if the total is correctly added. Also I take many Grab rides, its impossible to remember which ride had which Grab fee (p35,50, 75). What if I wanted to check the numbers a week later? Nothing on the Grab receipt or app Activity is itemized. They were suggesting that because the fee was on the app once, they don't need to itemize it on their own receipt.

Shenanigans. I need to prod them again. More Grab shenanigans coming. Given the minutes, the flag fall, KM driven, and the Grab fee, it might not add up to the total that Grab is charging.

Some good news. Just read Muttley's report in the Makati thread about bars being refurbished. In Malate, the same thing has been happening in K-town along Mabini, Adriatico, Bocobo, etc. Several bars have re-opened in the last 2-3 weeks.

It was a bit odd prior to that, as those places were also re-furbishing inside, working at night. You could hear the hammering and such being done indoors when walking by, but not see it. Sometimes the door was open in the daytime and there would be bags of cement piled up. A few weeks later, at night the door would be open and I'd notice a couple of workers putting the polishing touches on, but in the dark or near-dark. Shortly after that, I would pass by to see an open door, a guy standing in the doorway (like a bouncer), the lights would be off (or nearly dark) inside. I would ask if they were open. "No sir, not yet open". The upstairs might be lit with a blue neon light, or one place even a disco-ball light going upstairs, but no noise. It seemed like they were practicing for an opening. That bar would be like that for a week or so. Then one night my girl and I walk by the same place and its the same situation, dark inside, blue neon light coming from the upstairs windows, very quiet, but we could hear a small number of customers inside. Clinking glasses, giggling. Door still open with bouncer. Hey man, can we come in for a drink? "No sir, not open at this time". Check.

It would be another week (about 3 weeks ago) that the place would finally open. I walked in to see socially-isolated tables and no customers. Within a week several other places opened. There are now barkers on the street in the Remedios circle offering to walk you to 'my bar', or showing the old fashioned laminated card with girl's pictures, "I have college girls sir". The bars are socially isolated. Some are dark, some are well-lit. They serve food. There are almost no customers in any of them.

Belagio Square next to Birch Tower is somewhat re-opened. Barkers on the street will want to usher you in. I think there are 3 resto / bars operating. You can sit inside or outside. Had a drink with my girl there last week, sat outside. Loud music was banging away upstairs at that place, don't know how many folk were up there. Guessing dozens from the laughter and noise. But downstairs, inside, the tables were full of pinoy, no plexiglass dividers, seats close together. More of those bars will re-open at some point.

Its a start. Until the next ECQ haha.

ZZYZX in the circle, and the other disco on Adriatico (Illusions?) remain closed. Upstage Gold is a closed KTV, and previously was Bedrock Bar. I think BR burned about 5 years ago. It was a good source of live band / dancing, and I miss the place. Cowboy Grill Remedios is gone.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2573909]Some good news. Just read Muttley's report in the Makati thread about bars being refurbished. In Malate, the same thing has been happening in K-town along Mabini, Adriatico, Bocobo, etc. Several bars have re-opened in the last 2-3 weeks.

ZZYZX in the circle, and the other disco on Adriatico (Illusions?) remain closed. Upstage Gold is a closed KTV, and previously was Bedrock Bar. I think BR burned about 5 years ago. It was a good source of live band / dancing, and I miss the place. Cowboy Grill Remedios is gone.[/QUOTE]I noticed on a Youtuber's walk up Adriatico that line-up of bands was missing on the side of the building that housed Cowboy Grill: too bad, one of my favorite haunts in Malate. Bedrock too was great back in the day. Also, here's one of my favorite ZZYZX girls.

Hello!

53 year old American who arrived in Manila a few months ago. I have one of the visa exemptions that allowed entry into the Philippines.

After clearing quarantine, I set up Tinder. I receive 10-30 "likes" a day, and I have my settings at 18-29 year old females within 10 miles. I contact every single connection. At least 90% respond. We move to text and I quickly advise that I'm only looking for a hook up, nothing serious. About 90% say no thanks. Pass - I'm not that kind of girl.

But then we have the 10% who say yes.

I've had no problem fucking 2-3 different girls every week. I tell them I'm clean with a vasectomy, and every girl so far has told me it's ok without a condom. I've creampied every girl I've fucked except 1, since she was the only girl who asked me not to cum inside. Several of these girls have told me the last time they had sex was 6, 12,18 months ago. They seem incredibly happy to be receiving some good dick. I love licking pussy and 1 girl, 19, told me she's never allowed anyone to do that. I licked that pussy until she was having convulsions and now I get 20 texts a day asking when I'm going to eat her pussy again. A few girls have asked, can you help me with my tuition, otherwise all I've been asked for regarding $$$ is the Grab ride. All of these girls are young, hot, tight, horny as fuck, and bombard me with texts for the next fuck session. Honestly, I'm having a hard time keeping track of all these girls and the stories I tell them.

I just finished fucking a hot Filipina and she's napping while I write this LOL. Life is good my friends!

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2584204]I've had no problem fucking 2-3 different girls every week. I tell them I'm clean with a vasectomy, and every girl so far has told me it's ok without a condom. I've creampied every girl I've fucked except 1, since she was the only girl who asked me not to cum inside. Several of these girls have told me the last time they had sex was 6, 12,18 months ago. They seem incredibly happy to be receiving some good dick. I love licking pussy and 1 girl, 19, told me she's never allowed anyone to do that. I licked that pussy until she was having convulsions and now I get 20 texts a day asking when I'm going to eat her pussy again. A few girls have asked, can you help me with my tuition, otherwise all I've been asked for regarding $$$ is the Grab ride. All of these girls are young, hot, tight, horny as fuck, and bombard me with texts for the next fuck session. Honestly, I'm having a hard time keeping track of all these girls and the stories I tell them.

I just finished fucking a hot Filipina and she's napping while I write this LOL. Life is good my friends![/QUOTE]Great initial field report. Glad you are here to help with the overflow. You've been a good boy, Robert, deserving of a pic. Morsel: Happy afternoon-joy.

I read reports about flooding over the weekend in more than half of Metro Manila's cities. Found this photo from the corner of Taft and Pedro Gil. I have encountered flooding along Taft in the past, but not so deep that locals with planks couldn't bridge you over the high water in the gutters (for a small toll). But not water at this depth. Interestingly, jeepneys can function here when taxis cannot, because they have much higher ground clearance.

The girls will usually report it as rain from the most recent typhoon (Fabian? But heavy rain this time and others is typically the result of a hanging habagat (monsoon), slow moving weather that sucks water up off the South China Sea and deposits it often on Manila and other parts of Luzon. Typhoons do sometimes hold the monsoon in place and enhance the rainfall effects.

Anybody in country have issues getting around during the floods?

Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm willing to spend good money on a gorgeous light skinned Philipina. Is it possible to find one that matches my description over their. Would I need to build connections over their prior?

[QUOTE=Uzer69;2590343]Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm willing to spend good money on a gorgeous light skinned Philipina. Is it possible to find one that matches my description over their. Would I need to build connections over their prior?[/QUOTE]No need to spend good money. Just get yourself into the country and meet some girls. Everyone has a different definition of 'fair' skin. When you do find a fair one, keep her out of the sun, they go brown very quicly.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2590428]No need to spend good money. Just get yourself into the country and meet some girls. Everyone has a different definition of 'fair' skin. When you do find a fair one, keep her out of the sun, they go brown very quicly.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add. Are there some that look a little Spanish who would be available for fun?

P. S I have seen some Phillipina TV shows.

[QUOTE=Uzer69;2590343]Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm willing to spend good money on a gorgeous light skinned Philipina. Is it possible to find one that matches my description over their. Would I need to build connections over their prior?[/QUOTE]Pre-covid, we would tell you to try any of these:

1) Escort services.

2) Burgos gogo bars. Tell the mamasan what you want. Even if she doesn't have one to suit your taste, she can probably find one that does (for a fee).

3) Burgos street girls. For a fee, they also can be properly motivated to do some looking for you.

But, Covid has changed everything. No sure if you can find something that specific / unusual these days.

[QUOTE=Uzer69;2590343]Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm willing to spend good money on a gorgeous light skinned Philipina. Is it possible to find one that matches my description over their. Would I need to build connections over their prior?[/QUOTE]You mean like these?

Wow the first 2 are so beautiful. Are they for real in Phil or photoshop?

[QUOTE=Sammon;2590464]You mean like these?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2590464]You mean like these?[/QUOTE]The girl in blue is a class abv the other 3, imo.

No3 black shot look really pretty pretty.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2590464]You mean like these?[/QUOTE]

Thanks Sammon for posting the small cross section of good girls in Ph. The comments from others show how there is a different girl / look / style that can fit each of our 'gorgeous filipina' requirements.

That's definitely what I miss. A day in Manila, so many different looks, so man opportunities.

There is a new generation of girls that became eligible in March 2020 and have not yet enjoyed the daily parade of us aging overweight foreigners ogling and fucking them. There will be a sex tourist boom after covid.

But as always, the perfect 'looking' girl can soon turn into a tampo pscho. .

[QUOTE=Uzer69;2590432]Forgot to add. Are there some that look a little Spanish who would be available for fun?

P. S I have seen some Phillipina TV shows.[/QUOTE]I'm not too sure what you mean by light skinned Spanish lookers but the Sth American looking girls with chocolate brown skin label themselves "Morena". Many of these girls in the online sites. They don't feature highly as screen or print models as Asians typically favour light skin.

Many high end TV actresses and models are actually mixed Euro-Fil or Fil-Am. A lot are available but at a eye watering price as their usual clientele are very wealthy local businessmen rather than horny foreigners. Most will be very reluctant to be seen publicly with a old white guy as it would seriously damage their career and status. Perhaps set your sights a little lower and target the IG glamour models.

The large cities like Cebu and Manila have a mix of all types of girls so everything is available from statuesque buxom Mindanao girls to 70 lb Lyete waifs.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2590452]Pre-covid, we would tell you to try any of these:
...

But, Covid has changed everything. No sure if you can find something that specific / unusual these days.[/QUOTE]Post Covid, your list (plus online) will still be valid.

During Covid, a monger is either in town or not. That's the only question: anyone who isn't in country ain't going to be seeing anyone in the flesh soon; anyone who is, has "last man standing status" and has access to all the girls that his accomodation and transport options allow.

Enjoy. 😃.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2590685]

There is a new generation of girls that became eligible in March 2020 and have not yet enjoyed the daily parade of us aging overweight foreigners ogling and fucking them. There will be a sex tourist boom after covid.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately 2020 also ushered in a generation of girls who realised that a lot of money can be made with little more than a phone, a SIM card and horny white guys locked in mom's basement. No dancing til 4 am or tolerating drunkards required.

There will always be girls for hire but Covid has fundamentally changed how it's made available and will be sourced.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2590474]Wow the first 2 are so beautiful. Are they for real in Phil or photoshop?[/QUOTE]All before Covid ruined my plan year and half ago. My plan was to go March 2020 , no go, cancelled.

These pics are from October, November 2019.

1. In Cebu. Friendly accommodating.

2. Manila, flew her from the province.

3. Manila local.

4. Cebu, Lapu Lapu.

Was in contact till demands for money went way up with sob stories. I have booked trip in November- Istanbul, Manila, cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok. Ultimately maybe just Istanbul and back if other places do not open up.

Below are some more pictures I have contacted but have not met. First one is a virgin, she claims. But ready to give it up she says. No money demands yet. Works in a restaurant.

Second one from Manila showing off her boobs to get money. I have been with her before.

Others still in talking stage.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2590717] A lot are available but at a eye watering price as their usual clientele are very wealthy local businessmen rather than horny foreigners. Most will be very reluctant to be seen publicly with a old white guy as it would seriously damage their career and status.

The large cities like Cebu and Manila have a mix of all types of girls so everything is available from statuesque buxom Mindanao girls to 70 lb Lyete waifs.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Not everyone is available. You can meet and chat all you want in dating sites or meet in high end bars. Pretty, fair looking girls are sought after and they know it.

Case in point, there was a beautiful model looking Phi-Am girl working at Blue Nile in Angeles as a spotlight dancer. I bought her a drink and asked her. She flatly refused saying she has a rich Korean BF. Fast forward two days. There I was minding my own business. I saw her dancing but did not show any interest. After the dance without warning she comes and sits with me. She asked me where I was staying and room number. I was staying at Royal Amsterdam. She asked me what time I will be in the hotel. I said 11 pm fully knowing she would not come. Happened to go to the hotel at midnight and she was waiting for me. She stayed with me all night and we had lots of fun. She said she is afraid of her boyfriend dumping her if she is caught with somebody. She came the next night also but would not barhop with me.

Another time I met another model looking at one of the clubs in EDSA. She worked part time as a hostess. She said she has a married Philippine boyfriend who is a leading lawyer in Manila. At that time I was staying across the road at Heritage hotel. She also came later directly to my room as Heritage does not check.

Lots of pretty girls in big cities like Manila and cebu have either local or foreigners as sponsors. If they like you they will just come for fun only but no dinner date. But there are other pretty girls who are willing go with old men on vacations, galavanting around town openly.

I have chatted with many beautiful girls over the years. Success rate is only 10 percent. Many vanish into thin air after promising good fun and undying love. I keep trying like they say plenty of pu— —- to catch.

In case you are wondering how much I gave these two girls above? I just put 2000- 3000 pesos in their purse.

Salmon,

I sure miss those days. I had a couple beauties from AC that would secretly meet up in a Manila hotel on the days or nights before I flew home. These beauties had BF giving them monthly allowances. One was an AC bar owner. They never said anything and I never asked. Food had to be take out for them and eaten in the hotel room. They would not go to the SM mall with me. They never asked for money. If I put 1 k in their purse they never complained. Most times I put 3 k in. I always had one of the two come to Manila so I could leave with a happy ending.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2590745]Not everyone is available. You can meet and chat all you want in dating sites or meet in high end bars. Pretty, fair looking girls are sought after and they know it..[/QUOTE]True. There are also different definitions of "available". Some will laugh off a ST romp, only looking for a longer term sponsorship deal or an attractive guy who can improve their social standing.

Sometimes in life you find a piece of gold. A piece of gold that likes to take selfies.

So if things start to open back up. I will be back in the Philippines for work for a month in February.

Is there some type of place or does someone know a woman who will keep my place clean and cook two to three meals a day for me?

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2604272]So if things start to open back up. I will be back in the Philippines for work for a month in February.

Is there some type of place or does someone know a woman who will keep my place clean and cook two to three meals a day for me?[/QUOTE]I will give you vague yes to your vague question.

You might want to give more details and requirements unless you want anyone, any kind of cleaning and any kind of meals.

Manila is kind of a big city. Specific location would greatly help to not waste your time or anyone else's.

List of duties.

Live in or out.

Age range.

Benefits or not.

Salary range.

Type of meals.

Male or female? Trans is ok?

Days off.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2604272]So if things start to open back up. I will be back in the Philippines for work for a month in February.

Is there some type of place or does someone know a woman who will keep my place clean and cook two to three meals a day for me?[/QUOTE]Do you want to fuck her as well?

A trap for new players is to fuck the help. A good maid is far harder to find than a good fuck. Keep them separate. 👍.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2604272]Is there some type of place or does someone know a woman who will keep my place clean and cook two to three meals a day for me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2604494]Do you want to fuck her as well?

A trap for new players is to fuck the help. A good maid is far harder to find than a good fuck. Keep them separate. 👍.[/QUOTE]Question. If Cbear can't f*ck the maid, maybe WR can? Just say "Roger", Roger.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2604272]So if things start to open back up. I will be back in the Philippines for work for a month in February.

Is there some type of place or does someone know a woman who will keep my place clean and cook two to three meals a day for me?[/QUOTE]There are domestic help agencies in most if not all cities. Google might be a place to start.

Or, place an ad on Craigslist (Services / household. Or Jobs / General Labor) or locanto. Some screening for drug addicts and criminals would be advised. Good advice, to not fuck the help. So much temptation! What if she offered you massage, or you required massage as condition of employment? Would you resist the temptation? If she was also nude?

If she is live in, a 2 bedroom condo would be less confusion in the end.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2604595]Question. If Cbear can't f*ck the maid, maybe WR can? Just say "Roger", Roger.[/QUOTE]You just need to steal Roger's stash of sexy costumes any any girl can be a Horny French Maid. 😁.

Just some Manila stuff. See pics. This is how the jabs in Manila are reported, the evening before they happen. The categories I think are A1 (frontliners), A2 (seniors), and the rest are age groups moving down from age 60 by decade.

1) A new Sogo. Back around May I was walking down the street one evening and noticed an old, defunct 3-story building. It looked like it was a hotel or apartment previously. Worse, all the facing was off the building completely. It was just concrete, with all the windows broken out. Moreso it was riddled with small holes, all the way to the roof, giving the appearance of being hit with grenades. A few weeks later, several blocks away, signs started going up: "New Sogo, coming soon". Strange that this would become a new Sogo, but nobody put up a sign at that location (at that time; the sign at the location would go up weeks later).

Re-construction began. The entire face was boarded up. A 4th floor was added (1 month). The boards came down. Work began inside on the rooms. Windows were added later. The facing you see was started a month ago. They are still working inside, but it looks close to completion.

This pandemic period I have seen a greater construction growth rate than at any time in my past. The pandemic seems to be a time when builders are building possibly on the cheap, like mad, hoping to cash in after the pandemic with sales.

2) A resto in Robinson's. Third floor, Pepi Cubano. They sold only a small selection of sandwiches and coffee, and desserts. Only about 6-7 small tables. Before the recent ECQ they were doing fine. When the ECQ hit, all restos in the mall closed including this one. The day prior to the end of ECQ, all the other restos in the mall had personnel cleaning, re-stocking, and readying equipment and tables for the following day. But not Pepi, nobody was there. The day things opened, Pepi stayed closed, even for a few more days. Then one day I walked by and chatted the same two girls who I had seen working there before. They were cleaning everything, I assumed in order to restart operations the next day. Boy was I wrong. A few days later I walk by, and it looks like this. All the tables, ovens, stock, refrigerators and such are gone; wiped clean.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2610664]1) A new Sogo. Back around May I was walking down the street one evening and noticed an old, defunct 3-story building. It looked like it was a hotel or apartment previously. Worse, all the facing was off the building completely. It was just concrete, with all the windows broken out. Moreso it was riddled with small holes, all the way to the roof, giving the appearance of being hit with grenades. A few weeks later, several blocks away, signs started going up: "New Sogo, coming soon". Strange that this would become a new Sogo, but nobody put up a sign at that location (at that time; the sign at the location would go up weeks later).

Re-construction began. The entire face was boarded up. A 4th floor was added (1 month). The boards came down. Work began inside on the rooms. Windows were added later. The facing you see was started a month ago. They are still working inside, but it looks close to completion.[/QUOTE]Sogo did the same thing with the old Korean Hotel in the Burgos area.

[URL]https://app.box.com/s/dq89cpa438jm4vrifpk1vy8m8hnfgrhl[/URL]

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2612315]Sogo did the same thing with the old Korean Hotel in the Burgos area.

[URL]https://app.box.com/s/dq89cpa438jm4vrifpk1vy8m8hnfgrhl[/URL][/QUOTE]When did it become a Sogo?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2610664]1) A new Sogo. SNIP They are still working inside, but it looks close to completion.[/QUOTE]The new Sogo is up and operating, I spoke to the guards last night.

Questions before about renting vs buying. Here's an ad from social media. A one-bedroom condo unit, larger than most at 63 sq meters, for approximately p14 million.

See pic. After you get here (one day), you will need to go home. All airlines are requiring a negative covid test within the 3 previous days of your outbound flight home. Maybe right-click on the picture and 'Save As' in a folder you will remember at that time. This is one of many testing facilities that have sprung up on social media in the past year that provides such service (they will come to your residence, or they have a drive-thru, or you can walk in). Test results advertised 24 hours or less. At the bottom of the pic are 2 phone numbers, an email address, and their website. You can also private message them on social media for an appointment. There are other labs that offer the same service (I am not associated with this organization).

Update: Here are 2 more such labs, see pics.

WC.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2614783]See pic. After you get here (one day), you will need to go home. All airlines are requiring a negative covid test within the 3 previous days of your outbound flight home. Maybe right-click on the picture and 'Save As' in a folder you will remember at that time. This is one of many testing facilities that have sprung up on social media in the past year that provides such service (they will come to your residence, or they have a drive-thru, or you can walk in). Test results advertised 24 hours or less. At the bottom of the pic are 2 phone numbers, an email address, and their website. You can also private message them on social media for an appointment. There are other labs that offer the same service (I am not associated with this organization).

Update: Here are 2 more such labs, see pics.

WC.[/QUOTE]Westie,

Thanks for single handedly keeping the Philippines board alive. Your resilience in staying put there for the past few years is admirable. Not sure mere mortals could have done that. LOL.

I seriously question the sanity of mongers who are planning to visit third world countries at the moment just to chase pussy. All this bureaucratic effort just for a root? Most mongers have excellent options for sex in their own countries, albeit at a higher price. But factoring in the high cost of the airfare, confusing and inconsistent quarantine requirements, loss of income, need to wear all the Covid paraphernalia and loss of tourist atmosphere hardly makes it worthwhile.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2614980]Westie,

Thanks for single handedly keeping the Philippines board alive. Your resilience in staying put there for the past few years is admirable. Not sure mere mortals could have done that. LOL.

I seriously question the sanity of mongers who are planning to visit third world countries at the moment just to chase pussy. All this bureaucratic effort just for a root? Most mongers have excellent options for sex in their own countries, albeit at a higher price. But factoring in the high cost of the airfare, confusing and inconsistent quarantine requirements, loss of income, need to wear all the Covid paraphernalia and loss of tourist atmosphere hardly makes it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]For some, the home country won't entertain the old people in mongering. For them SEA and other third world countries are paradise. Eagerly waiting for the time to begin the reentry.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2615091]For some, the home country won't entertain the old people in mongering. For them SEA and other third world countries are paradise. Eagerly waiting for the time to begin the reentry.[/QUOTE]Looking at those beaches, mountains, rivers, waterfalls. Tropical waters. My lord! And the English speaking nurses that I meet here in the USA are unassuming, beautiful and (most) are sincere. I can't wait. But I will be in Colombia till then. LOL It's closer.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2614980]Westie, Thanks for single handedly keeping the Philippines board alive. Your resilience in staying put there for the past few years is admirable. Not sure mere mortals could have done that. LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your kind words. Re-naming the Phils forums "WestyVille" or such might be appropriate. Kidding.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2614980]I seriously question the sanity of mongers who are planning to visit third world countries at the moment just to chase pussy. All this bureaucratic effort just for a root?[/QUOTE]Yes. Indeed, for less than that, I think. For the possibility of a root. Before the Internet, I had friends drive across states to get to a girl they knew remotely, thinking they were about to get laid. Only to find that she was a ghost, she didn't really live there, or was not the girl she pretended to be. Catfished. Or if not for the poon, he went to 'save' the damsel from her poor life situation (even less than a root).

Can you smell it? Touch it? Feel the Grafenberg spot? Will she go a bit further than 'vanila'? Just the thought of it, rolling around in a man's mind, can make the fever set in. Oh, to be locked away from it. Incels understand this I think.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2614980]Most mongers have excellent options for sex in their own countries, albeit at a higher price. But factoring in the high cost of the airfare, [/QUOTE]There is something to be said for this. There is, I think, a common misconception that we only travel for the poon (somewhat true). But I always had, in my home country, nawty avenues of joy. Some were financial, others just for sport.

Which is better: 1) You spend $3600 USD flying to Phils for 2 weeks, and hammer 12 pinay (great trip). Or 2) You have several college co-ed hotties who are selling it for $300/1-hour session, which you enjoy once a month ($3600 for one year), same, 12 hammers. There are pro / con's for each.

Having said that, I confess that chasing Fiipina is more fun. They drop their panties so much faster. They say and do the craziest sh*t. They are camera crazy. They are better looking. And there's no LAC in my country. Current (and maybe future) reality: There is no LAC here anymore.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2614980]confusing and inconsistent quarantine requirements, loss of income, need to wear all the Covid paraphernalia and loss of tourist atmosphere hardly makes it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]The NCR has gone to 'granular' lockdowns. As I recently posted, less than 30% of Brgy are causing 80% of new cases. Only those places are being hit with the harsher lockdown situation (good news). However, even though my city is not one of those areas, all hotels in this area continue to allow you to have only 1 registered guest. Also, as opposed to a recent AC forum post indicating hotels allowing additional guests, the residences in this area continue to allow you 1 guest registered in total (unless you are renting a unit for, say, 3 persons, in which case you can register 2 guests). There is no tourist atmosphere here.

And because you have been good fellas during the wait, an extra pic goodie or two. Seems the morsel has discovered the joy of a pulsating shower head.

The screw loosens a bit. NCR will go from the current Alert Level 4, down to the milder Alert Level 3, tomorrow. Biz will open up a bit more.

[URL]https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2021/10/14/2134089/metro-manila-be-placed-under-alert-level-3-starting-october-16[/URL]

From the article:

[I]"MANILA, Philippines Quarantine restrictions in Metro Manila will be relaxed this week as the COVID-19 situation in the capital region continues to improve.bThe government's pandemic task force has approved the recommendation to place Metro Manila under Alert Level 3 from October 16 to 31, presidential spokesman Harry Roque announced on Wednesday.

The capital region, the Philippines' economic center, is under Alert Level 4, the second most stringent classification in the government's new quarantine system. The downgrade in the alert level will increase the permitted operational capacity of businesses, allowing business establishments to serve more clients.

Under the alert status, food businesses may operate in full capacity for take out and delivery while dine-in services will be permitted at 30% capacity. Personal care service establishments can also fill in up to 30% of their venue capacity. The same operational capacities will be implemented in closed and crowded venues and close contact activities. However, the allowed capacities for businesses with safety seals may increase by 10%.

The venue capacities will not apply to areas under granular lockdowns. Under Alert Level 4, the allowed operational capacity for dine-in and personal care services and in-person religious activities is just 20%."[/I]

Grab taxi, more (well, old) shenanigans resurfacing. Now that the drivers are encased in the left-front seat by plexiglass or a thick saran-wrap type of plastic, it is difficult (nearly impossible) to see the meter now. It is difficult many times to even be able to tell if it is powered on, as its hidden inside the plastic, hidden from the back seat and the front passenger seat.

1) The driver fails to switch on the meter when you enter the taxi. When he drops you at your destination, you ask him how much is the metered fare. Alternately, you notice part-way into your ride that the meter is not running and you remind him to turn it on, but he balks at that. At the end of your grab taxi ride you ask for a receipt, but he can not produce one because he did not run the meter. "Just you look in your app sir. Its there". No, its not. You show him your app and ask him to find it, but he can not. He might offer to tell you what he thinks the ride was worth, and it will be exorbitantly large. A p130-160 ranged ride might become "Its 250. OK"? You balk, getting nowhere with him. You must go thru the time-consuming process of reporting him to Grab (the app is time-consuming, and limits your reporting of his bad behavior to just a few pre-made options, with little chance to explain what happened). It might take days to hear back from Grab on your status (reply is by email, but initially you can not complain to them via email, only the app).

2) You order a Grab taxi, to pick you up at Robinson's Malate and drop you at your condo in Makati. Your pickup point is on Pedro Gil, main entrance by Starbucks (across from Eurotel). The Grab driver accepts your fare and the map shows him on Taft. He turns west on P Faura, then he turns left again on Adriatico, then he turns left again on Pedro Gil, then into the semi-circle mall pickup / dropoff area. You get into the car. He confirms "You are sir Westy?" Yes, lets go to Knightsbridge fella. He touches the meter, but you can't really see it very well. There appear to be digital lights running on the meter (but you can't make them out). Curious, just 30 seconds and less than 100 meters away from Robinson's, you pull the plastic aside and look at the meter, it says p48 and 4:22 time, and 0. 4 km. That would be impossible, as you have been in the taxi just 45-50 seconds, and traveled just 100 meters (0. 1 km). The driver, on his way to Robinson's, turned on his meter *before* he got to Robinson's, back around the time he turned left off of Faura, on to Adriatico. It can give him a p6-8 time advantage, and later possibly a p13.5 km advantage. Good news: Every driver whom I caught in this gimick has quickly re-set his meter to flagfall, losing the first minute and 0. 1 km on the final fare (or in one case, 4+ minutes and 0. 8 km). Bad news: I reported every driver that did this.

Both of these "golden oldies" have popped up in the past 3 weeks (again).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2616705]Both of these "golden oldies" have popped up in the past 3 weeks (again).[/QUOTE]Again yesterday afternoon. See pic. A Grab driver picked me up at my place. Our destination was 2. 4 km away (Grab's estimate). Just 30-40 seconds and 100 m up the road we came to a stop behind other traffic at a red light. The meter read as you see the pic. Upon bringing this to the driver's attention, he was full of BS on why it was that way, how difficult the trip is during heavy traffic, how far away the destination was, and why he didn't want to re-set the meter. While still sitting at the red light he DID offer to subtract p14 (the 7 minutes) from the final fare, but not the p13.5 (1. 4 km) already on the meter. I stepped out of the taxi, cancelled in the app, reported the driver in the app, and took a regular cash taxi.

As an aside, many drivers are now insisting at your destination that they show you the info they are entering on their phone's Grab app. It requires them to enter on the app the meter setting. The Grab fee is pre-filled in on his app and can't be changed. As an example, if the fare on the meter is p140, then on his app he should enter 140. The Grab fee of p35 will also show, and on the bottom it will say p175 Total Fee. He must then hit SUBMIT, and then a confirmation screen will pop up showing all the details. At that point he must hit the PROCEED button, and he will be rewarded with the amount he will be credited for this ride. Many drivers are now insisting that you watch this process before exiting the car (kudos as it keeps things honest).

Second aside. Grab drivers earn more than the metered fare. Part of the Grab fee goes back to the driver. Using the same example of p140 on the meter, he will enter that in his app at the end of the ride. After hitting SUBMIT, and then confirming by hitting PROCEED, his app will change to a congratulatory screen saying: "You have earned P157", or such.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2617401]Again yesterday afternoon. See pic. A Grab driver picked me up at my place. Our destination was 2. 4 km away (Grab's estimate). Just 30-40 seconds and 100 m up the road we came to a stop behind other traffic at a red light. The meter read as you see the pic. Upon bringing this to the driver's attention, he was full of BS on why it was that way, how difficult the trip is during heavy traffic, how far away the destination was, and why he didn't want to re-set the meter. While still sitting at the red light he DID offer to subtract p14 (the 7 minutes) from the final fare, but not the p13.5 (1. 4 km) already on the meter....[/QUOTE]Clearly I've been out of the loop for too long. What happened to: book a grab online nominating pick up and set down points; fare is auto calculated; driver is assigned who messages when he is outside; you drive to the nominated setdown point; fare is paid in cash or via the app; add a tip if you feel it appropriate??

When did the fare become variable or a negotiation?? Even when the car was a regular taxi, my fares have always been precalculated by the app.

Clearly I'm missing something.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2617501]Clearly I've been out of the loop for too long. What happened to: book a grab online nominating pick up and set down points; fare is auto calculated; driver is assigned who messages when he is outside; you drive to the nominated setdown point; fare is paid in cash or via the app; add a tip if you feel it appropriate??

When did the fare become variable or a negotiation?? Even when the car was a regular taxi, my fares have always been precalculated by the app.

Clearly I'm missing something.[/QUOTE]First there was Grab Car, which is what you are describing. A regular car driven by a regular Jose (like Uber), for a flat up-front fee.

Grab Taxi is a regular white taxi. It has a green emblem "G" sticker on the rear passenger window. The driver picks up regular cash fares on the street like any taxi driver does. He is also hooked into the Grab app. When I hit my Grab app for a ride, I enter my departure and destination locations. On the bottom of my screen is a choice: Grab Taxi, or Grab Car. The fare for the Car is set in advance (say, p210). The fee for the Taxi is an estimated range, including the Grab fee (usually p35, or more in heavier traffic). The Grab taxi range might appear as: P135-P195 (or such).

If I order the Grab Car, I pay p210. If I order the Grab Taxi, the driver picks me up and turns on his meter, like a normal cash fare. At the end of the ride, I pay the metered fare + Grab Fee (p35). If my metered fare is p140, then I pay 140+35 = p175, in cash or it will go to my credit card on file with Grab. The beauty of the credit card is that you should be able to arrive, step out of the car, and both of you and the driver say "Have a good day" and walk away. It is that way with Grab Car or Uber. But letting taxi drivers into the mix is a bit of a spicy move; they are always on the lookout for ways to make a peso.

There should be no haggling in either system, Grab Car or Taxi. The Car fee is set and agreed to in advance. The Taxi has only one variable: the meter amount, determined at the end of the ride (then add the Grab fee).

Grab Taxi started about a year after Grab Car, maybe 3-4 years ago. I have a running, rant-oriented set of emails going back a full year with Grab customer support. They can be difficult to reach, slow to respond, and say the most non-customer-friendly things in their email (like a lawyer). As an example, I would step out of a Grab taxi, and a moment later I would get a BEEP on my app with this message: "Your fare is p145". Seemed fine to me. An hour later I get a Grab email with the official receipt, showing a charge of p156. Why the difference? I contact Grab in the running email, forwarding back the Grab app p145 and their email of p156. Why the difference? "Because sir the 145 is just an estimate. The email p156 is the actual calculated fare, meter + Grab fee. Thank you". OK, that also seems fine to me, the amount. Next question to Grab: Why bother sending the first message of p145 in the app? "Customers expect it". OK!

If you enter your Grab departure / destination and it shows the route map and calculates your cost, you can see the taxi rates if you click the taxi icon on the bottom of the screen: P40 flagfall, p2 per minute, and p13.5 per KM. Just like a regular taxi. Its right there in your app. But strange things happen. Example: You ride for 7 minutes and 1. 7 km on the meter. That should be p40 (flagfall) + p14 (p2 per minute) + p13.5 (over 1 km and under 2 km = p13.5). That should total should be p67.5. That's exactly what the meter read at the end of the ride. I get a message on my app that my fare is p67.5.

But. . . I get an email receipt, saying the charge is p76.95. Why the discrepancy? I write to Grab to ask, explaining p40 + p14 + p13.5 = 67.5. Reply: "Correct sir its p67.5 charge". Then why did the email say p76? Reply (always the replies take days or longer): "Really sir its p40 + p14 + (p13.5 x 1. 7 minutes) = p76". Wait, wait. The last part, the distance. Its distance times p13.5? Or discrete KM times 13.5? Response: "Yes, distance times 13.5". But in your app it says per each KM. In the meter, it only adds 13.5 when the distance kicks over each new single KM. Which is it?

Wait for it. . . Response: "We don't comment on internal policies and calculations. Sorry po". What! New question to Grab: What is the government department in Philippines that licenses Grab to do business? And which department should I direct a Grab complaint to?

No response. A month later I re-sent that last part. No response. A month later I sent it again. I stopped at the Brgy office and explained, and asked where to file a consumer complaint. "Department of Trade on Gil Puyat sir". Done. I found the DTI website. I emailed DTI and didn't hear back. I called the phone number and nobody answered. One day soon I got to taxi (Grab!) over there.

Pic #1. This is what the grab app looks like after you enter your departure and destination points. A map on top, and the different types of car to choose from on the bottom (blue arrows). Clicking on the red box will get you to pic #2, your different type of vehicles. Notice the blue arrow pointing to the Grab Taxi; you will see the Booking Fee (p35) there. A separate complaint here. If you click the Taxi option you are agreeing to the p35 (which is fine), but later after you are off that screen, should you want to double-check the Grab fee (it might be 35,50, 60,75, etc), you might find it impossible to find in the app for your current ride. It will also not show in the Grab emailed receipt. Its difficult to complain that your receipt or charge is incorrect if you don't know (or can't remember, like me, as I can take half a dozen Grabs or more a week) the Grab fee. Emailing Grab and asking for the Grab fee amount for any previous ride is akin to pulling teeth.

Pic #2. The different types of vehicles you can get from Grab. With a Grab Taxi, you get a range, because the meter amount is different based on traffic patterns and congestion. All the other Grab cars have a set amount, determined beforehand.

Hey Westie,

I would rather prefer you fucking and posting pics of your pretty ladies rather than fighting with Grab. LOL.

As you know Philippine mindset is screw the foreigner. They practically never turn on the meter. Always quoting flat fare except very few honest people. I reward the honest with a good tip. Otherwise as a foreign visitor I take the loss and not let it ruin my day.

But ofcourse you live there and need to live like a local.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2617591]Hey Westie,

I would rather prefer you fucking and posting pics of your pretty ladies rather than fighting with Grab. LOL.

As you know Philippine mindset is screw the foreigner. They practically never turn on the meter. Always quoting flat fare except very few honest people. I reward the honest with a good tip. Otherwise as a foreign visitor I take the loss and not let it ruin my day.

But of course you live there and need to live like a local.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Sammon. Several years ago there was a running blog solely devoted to the topic of taxis. I propose that we should go back to that and keep taxi issues out of the Manila section of the ISG. It's not that the issues raised aren't important for the average traveler to Manila, nor that the participants in the taxi discussion aren't otherwise excellent contributors, but it dilutes the Manila section and makes the mongering news and advice harder to find. With the lifting of the travel ban, there is so much for us to learn before making plans to return.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2614980]Westie,

Thanks for single handedly keeping the Philippines board alive. Your resilience in staying put there for the past few years is admirable. Not sure mere mortals could have done that. LOL.

I seriously question the sanity of mongers who are planning to visit third world countries at the moment just to chase pussy. All this bureaucratic effort just for a root? Most mongers have excellent options for sex in their own countries, albeit at a higher price. But factoring in the high cost of the airfare, confusing and inconsistent quarantine requirements, loss of income, need to wear all the Covid paraphernalia and loss of tourist atmosphere hardly makes it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahaha. You are obviously not in USA, a man here over 50 can forget it. Do we have hookers here sure, but what I've seen they would have to pay me. Only hot comparable girls I've seen here was in Vegas and those girls were 1500 to 2000 dollars, they are insane. Younger college types does that happen maybe but if your older and approach them they are likely to call the police. So yes traveling to Asia is money well spent, this country is crap. 18 months now and still waiting. If by some miracle you are in US and there is a place in this country where this is possible, please, please provide location and I will get there.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2617780]Younger college types does that happen maybe but if your older and approach them they are likely to call the police. [/QUOTE]You might want to strategize a sugar daddy-sugar baby arrangement, but I believe it's not cheap. Rep. Matt Gaetz might have some useful digits, but he's probably holding them very close right now as the investigation scales up.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2617780]Hahahahahahaha. You are obviously not in USA, a man here over 50 can forget it. Do we have hookers here sure, but what I've seen they would have to pay me. Only hot comparable girls I've seen here was in Vegas and those girls were 1500 to 2000 dollars, they are insane. Younger college types does that happen maybe but if your older and approach them they are likely to call the police. So yes traveling to Asia is money well spent, this country is crap. 18 months now and still waiting. If by some miracle you are in US and there is a place in this country where this is possible, please, please provide location and I will get there.[/QUOTE]The $1,500/2 k USD hookers are not worth that kind of money. But if you don't mind Asians, they are available in every city in the US at a reasonable price.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2617640]Several years ago there was a running blog solely devoted to the topic of taxis. I propose that we should go back to that and keep taxi issues out of the Manila section of the ISG. [/QUOTE]I suspect there's a reason that blog / thread died: it's a topic that ebbs and flows, not one that continues at a steady pace. I have posted taxi stories in the past, but we had an expat in the forum, an Australian I think, long in the tooth like me, who flamed me and others who posted about taxi problems, insisting that if he didn't experience problems, others must be exaggerating. He reported a story from the news about a new LTFRB Director appointed by then President Noynoy Aquino. Some cab driver tried to cheat him on a fare and he had the guy drive him to LFTRB headquarters, walked the guy inside, and pulled his commercial driving license. Our expat insisted that this guy was going to clean up all the presumed taxi problems. Yet here is Westie, eight or ten years later, describing persistent Grab and taxi problems.

Simply stated, one government official is not going to change these taxi driver behaviors. These problems are embedded in systems and in the culture, and they're so taken-for-granted by average Filipinos that they're almost impossible to raise to the surface and reform.

I think Westie's point is to illustrate that these problems are now related to covid, and specifically that taxi and Grab meters are nearly impossible to monitor because of the new plexiglass shields in cabs. I have read about a paragraph into Westie's Grab and taxi posts, get the gist of the problem, and then move to other posts. But I'm not ready to throw in the towel on these posts because, for those of us focused on covid in the Philippines, they are informative. To me, at least.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2617866]The $1,500/2 k USD hookers are not worth that kind of money. But if you don't mind Asians, they are available in every city in the US at a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I agree with Lefu's point, but in the city where I live, population about 250 K, you can get a massage, table shower and handshake for about $150. If you want the full menu, you need to go to a larger city, a drive of at least two hours for me. And then prices are going to be somewhere between $200 and $300. There are online offerings in my town for that price range, but they're not Asian, and there are significant risks of disease and police entrapment.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2617640]I have to agree with Sammon. Several years ago there was a running blog solely devoted to the topic of taxis. I propose that we should go back to that and keep taxi issues out of the Manila section of the ISG.[/QUOTE]Apology gents. I don't see a taxi section, but maybe 'Stupid Sh*t' would have been a better place. Enough of the taxi for now.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2617860]You might want to strategize a sugar daddy-sugar baby arrangement, but I believe it's not cheap. Rep. Matt Gaetz might have some useful digits, but he's probably holding them very close right now as the investigation scales up.[/QUOTE]True. Better safer and cheaper in the long. Run to just wait for Asia to open. I've not had a American woman in 15 years and from what I've seen lately plus what it would cost ST and the hassle and maybe prosecution. I can wait.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2618102]Apology gents. I don't see a taxi section, but maybe 'Stupid Sh*t' would have been a better place. Enough of the taxi for now.[/QUOTE]The section was dropped years ago, but Westies contributions keep rolling in. He deserves praise for being one of the most informative members on the ISG, not to mention that he set me up with two amazing Filipinas about 8 years ago. So, Westie, please do not stop contributing.

I find WestCoast1's reporting about Grab pricing and customer service informative. We assume that the dawn of digital age makes things transparent and temper-proof. To the contrary, WestCoast1 shows how Grab drivers and the platform deceives customers. As a frequent user of Grab service, I am amazed by his dogged information seeking, analysis and reporting. For some, his report may be a long story about "pennies". For me, it shows how information is hidden and manipulated, to screw the passenger. Compared to other topics in Manila thread, I find his posts accurate and news-I-can-use.

[QUOTE=Pinga98;2618402]I find WestCoast1's reporting about Grab pricing and customer service informative. SNIP For me, it shows how information is hidden and manipulated, to screw the passenger. Compared to other topics in Manila thread, I find his posts accurate and news-I-can-use.[/QUOTE]Pinga 98 for ISG President!

Hi,

Really miss Manila as my last trip is Nov 2018 just months before the COVID.

Not sure when I can travel there again.

[QUOTE=OwnAgeSex;2620226]Hi,

Really miss Manila as my last trip is Nov 2018 just months before the COVID.

Not sure when I can travel there again.[/QUOTE]I hear you, brother. I was lucky enough to leave Manila after 3 weeks early March 2020, my flight home was changed. I got out of there in the nick of time but I'm happy to realize that it literally is the most recent I could've gone!

Grab is shady as F*k in Manila. This would NOT Be a PC post. Grab is run by a Chinese guy from Singapore. They have merely copied the concept from West UBER etc not the Principal behind it as usual everything is re-designed to add into "Asian Greed Index" which never ever crashes. With tech its EASIER to HIDE the GREED.

Being from India, It has become a norm in Manila but since its same as back home, it does not get into my nerves as it would be for a guy from West.

The problem is people "assume" since Asia has adopted western culture, they too would have Imported "Moral Principles" behind what makes west great. 90% of Asians think, west is all about Hip-Hop, Night Life, Hollywood and party all night, they do not understand, the REASON behind West Success is Rooted on Moral Principles. The difference between What is RIGHT and WRONG.

Asian society is still Tribal, instinctive, collective, Live for Today Society. We do not have the concept of REASON or What is RIGHT OR WROUNG. Greed is ingrained in people with IQ around 80 - You need a bit of higher IQ to reason what is right and be RATIONAL about a situation.

We have copied only the Superficial Aspects of West. Not its core principle of Reason and Being Moral. We do not see the way for example as WestCoast See it at a problem. We just want to Fulfill our Immediate Needs right now Ignoring the consequences of our actions which requires Higher IQ. WE LIVE FOR THE DAY.

When people from west "Follow Up" on a complaint in Asia. We have already forgotten about it and "Moved On" - Our Nervous system is surprised to see something being followed up from yesterday BUT when we have been shortchanged we take it as a PERSONAL INSULT and our Tribal Instinct Kick In and we make sure justice is served right there and then with violent consequences like how Tribal Society reacts.

Remember, there was no concept of JAIL in Asia, fair trial. Most Asian's when given power will abuse it and we excuse it by saying NOT ALL Not everyone is like that BUT the majority of people you will deal with in Asia are the ones that will get on your nerves. It all looks good in Asia, until when it comes to fair play.

When I'm in Pattaya I always visit only farang owned bars and restaurants and I never get "Funny bills" even when I'm fully drunk but I make sure a farang boss is around as soon as farang turn his back, the bar ladies would play the trick, In Manila they watch for my Drunk Stability Index before adding the Asian Greed Index Price to the bill.

The surprise is this has gotten far worse since tech was introduced in Asia, things have become corrupt even more in India now. India is now going back to draconian age with tech surveillance. Tyrants have taken over with mere skeleton of Democracy. Tech has given a faster way to make money and go back to tribal instinctive ways.

That is why China has become such a police state so fast than it already was, without a good credit score you cannot even travel outside in China. India is not far behind either. I can promise you being from Asia. Things will get FAR worse when tech is involved when you are dealing with Asians in Asia. I can see the gradual shift to darkness and tribal ways even more in India.

The easiest solution is to "Only Deal with Money You can afford to Lose" because you will lose especially in Plane Tickets, train Tickets, Bus tickets, Airbnb, Condo rent, Condo buying etc. Most of the time. It will not be as PROMISED. It takes forever to get refunds, your voice is even more buried now. We just HOPE You will forget or "GIVE UP" - We do not understand why a farang fights for few pesos is based on his PRINCIPLES not about Money. When you return to Asia after two years of lockdown. You will be surprised that you are now losing even more than before. People are now more desperate + tribal instinct is at an all time high. Survival has kicked in and when a tribal is in a survival mode. Always have your guard up.

Jayant Bhandari has better analysis on West vs The Rest.

Just BE CAREFUL on your Next Trip to Asia. This may sound over exaggeration or racist etc but if you have high moral principle and you were raised a certain way, be ready to be even more surprised.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012;2621961]Grab is shady as F*k in Manila. This would NOT Be a PC post. Grab is run by a Chinese guy from Singapore. They have merely copied the concept from West UBER etc not the Principal behind it as usual everything is re-designed to add into "Asian Greed Index" which never ever crashes. With tech its EASIER to HIDE the GREED[/QUOTE]I agree about their greed and their dishonesty.

I had argue with many taxi drivers and even some motorbikes too.

I think when it comes to taxi drivers and motobikes they do it to anybody not just foreigner also to Filipinos, I had argue with my GF and many of my friends why you put up with this, because they tell me they always do this they always try to over charge you even to local filipinos, I keep telling them is not about money because is just afew hundred pesos, is about their dishonesty and trying to rip you off. I have not problem giving them tips, I actually give tips to the honest ones because is hard to find honest taxi drivers.

I find this the most when they drop you to a short hotel or when they pick you up from a short hotel, taxi drivers will over charge you because they know you are bringing a girl to a short hotel because you are trying to hide her from someone, in my case from my GF and her friends, and for local filipinos hiding the girls from their wife or GF. No wonder short hotels are so popular in Philippines, because you can bring your mistress their.

So most drivers take advantage of that situation and always charge you alot, an extra fee for dropping you inside the short hotel or picking you up from there. When the extra fee is little I don't mind, but when they try to charge you alot, like twice as much as the taxi fee, I get piss, I even told drivers I'm not paying you double, I can pay you an extra fee but not double so some will say OK but I will drop you outside the short hotel not inside, so I say yeah I don't care. I even asked some drivers who were picking us up from the short hotel to go back and drop us back in the short hotel because I'm not paying their outrageous prices, most will lower it, one of them didn't so I force him to drive me back and drop me in the short hotel entrance. He wasn't far anyways.

Some girls will feel embarass at first but at the end they all understand my point of view when I explain them is not about the money is about why they want to take advantage of you, is about the principal and the moral.

I honestly feel bad for most foreigners who don't look like locals, I'm Latino so I will pass as Filipino easily, but the white ones or the black ones or the indians or the koreans, etc. I can see them getting rip-off more than locals, and paying the foreigner price sometimes instead of the filipino price.

Goodie time. Brought by a provider. Cute twiglet with a well-defined derriere. Narcissistic, likes watching herself in the mirror, likes watching herself have sex, and likes being photographed. Has brought me joy multiple times. The Philippine flag: Long may she wave.

Couple of pinoy guys my age were very happy and talkative outside Robinson's next to the Arya resto. As I passed by with my face mask on and face shield in hand, they stopped me. "Sir are you going in the mall?" Yes I am. "Sir you don't need that face shield anymore for inside". Really, that would be a first in a year's time. Thanks fellas. To put it to the test I kept the shield in my hand and not on my head as I entered. The guards said nothing. Others were doing the same. Everyone inside seemed to have a shield, but most were worn on top of their head, or in their hand, not on their face. Possibly this has to do with going to a less-strict Alert Level. Anyway its good news that things are getting back to normal.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2623591]Couple of pinoy guys my age were very happy and talkative outside Robinson's next to the Arya resto. As I passed by with my face mask on and face shield in hand, they stopped me. "Sir are you going in the mall?" Yes I am. "Sir you don't need that face shield anymore for inside". Really, that would be a first in a year's time. Thanks fellas. To put it to the test I kept the shield in my hand and not on my head as I entered. The guards said nothing. Others were doing the same. Everyone inside seemed to have a shield, but most were worn on top of their head, or in their hand, not on their face. Possibly this has to do with going to a less-strict Alert Level. Anyway its good news that things are getting back to normal.[/QUOTE]Copy that, Westie. I think only ugly people like Trainwreck and his basement pal Reacharound should be wearing masks. But that is just my opinion. Hahahahahah.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2623591]Couple of pinoy guys my age were very happy and talkative outside Robinson's next to the Arya resto. As I passed by with my face mask on and face shield in hand, they stopped me. "Sir are you going in the mall?" Yes I am. "Sir you don't need that face shield anymore for inside". Really, that would be a first in a year's time. Thanks fellas. To put it to the test I kept the shield in my hand and not on my head as I entered. The guards said nothing. Others were doing the same. Everyone inside seemed to have a shield, but most were worn on top of their head, or in their hand, not on their face. Possibly this has to do with going to a less-strict Alert Level. Anyway its good news that things are getting back to normal.[/QUOTE]It was released as update today after vote from mayors:

[URL]https://www.rappler.com/nation/face-shield-no-longer-required-manila-except-medical-facilities[/URL]

I don't think it's official policy yet though as mentioned in article. While this is good news and things are moving back to normal, implore you all to be sensible and not get in heated arguments with guards if they insist on shield being needed. Nothing worse than a shotgun to the face.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2623596]Nothing worse than a shotgun to the face.[/QUOTE]I take it back, a bit. Went into two SM Hypermart grocery stores today and was forced to put on my face shield by the guards at both stores before entering. Everyone inside was wearing a shield. Did not get the "shotgun" treatment (that I might deserve).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2623923]I take it back, a bit. Went into two SM Hypermart grocery stores today and was forced to put on my face shield by the guards at both stores before entering. Everyone inside was wearing a shield. Did not get the "shotgun" treatment (that I might deserve).[/QUOTE]Glad to hear it, unless guard is a husband you "know" you should be safe. Haha.

Much confusion reigns on whether shields are required / legal or not:

[URL]https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/11/08/21/palace-tells-public-to-wait-for-final-decision-on-face-shield[/URL]

Appears mayors who have issued executive orders repealing use of shields have done so on basis that they believe president follows what they advise. Roque has said that decision must come from government as executive policy is from president. Only in the Philippines!?

Hopefully it'll be resolved by the weekend.

Hello Brothers,

Can you help me with some info about Manila neighbourhoods? There are pretty good signs that international flights will be allowed again and so I start to plan my trip to the Philippines. I plan to visit few different areas like Cebu / El Nido and Manila. But for Manila I need a little bit of help. Where to book an Airbnb? I made my research and my info so far is that the best areas are Makati (Poblacion is mentioned a lot), Malate and Quezon.

My plans are one week in Manila, then some trip to El Nido or Cebu, then go back to Manila for one more week. For Manila, I'm looking for a neighbourhood with a lot of coffee shops, bars, nice night life (everything except clubs).

I plan to find girls on Tinder and Instagram, so a bars where to look for girls is not a criteria. So far this tactic had great success everywhere in the world and I'm pretty sure it will works here too. Basically I am looking for an area with a lot of bars where I can go when I already have a girl. Just a place (bar, coffee shop, restaurant) where to have a good time. Also I am a big coffee lover so a neighbourhood with a lot of places for a good coffee is very much appreciated.

So what are your recommendations and advices?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2624719]Hello Brothers,

Can you help me with some info about Manila neighbourhoods? There are pretty good signs that international flights will be allowed again and so I start to plan my trip to the Philippines. I plan to visit few different areas like Cebu / El Nido and Manila. But for Manila I need a little bit of help. Where to book an Airbnb? I made my research and my info so far is that the best areas are Makati (Poblacion is mentioned a lot), Malate and Quezon.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of bars in Poblacion but it's one of those areas where the destitute are very close to the ultra wealthy, separated only by big fences. You can find yourself in wrong area easily. It's very close to Burgos street but you've said you're not looking for girly bars so not worth considering for that reason.

It's not on your list of areas, and outside of Makati, but I would consider Bonifacio Global City (BGC). Loads of bars, restaurants and coffee shops, very instagram friendly.

Bear in mind that presently majority of normal bars in Pablacion are closed, by government order for breaking curfews in many instances and a lot have simply closed for good. International flights returning should not be only thinking behind returning, I'm a pretty positive person but I can't see things returning to normal anytime soon. With vaccination rates we could easily be in another lockdown before end of the year.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2624719]For Manila, I'm looking for a neighbourhood with a lot of coffee shops, bars, nice night life (everything except clubs).

Basically I am looking for an area with a lot of bars where I can go when I already have a girl. Just a place (bar, coffee shop, restaurant) where to have a good time. Also I am a big coffee lover so a neighbourhood with a lot of places for a good coffee is very much appreciated.

So what are your recommendations and advices?

Thanks![/QUOTE]The Greenbelt area has everything you have listed. If you stay on the Greenbelt 5 side you are also walking distance to Glorietta. Lots to see and do there, day and night, and many convenient places to meet up.

Obviously, many are closed now but, like everywhere, may reopen by the time you can arrive.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2624719]Hello Brothers,

Can you help me with some info about Manila neighbourhoods? There are pretty good signs that international flights will be allowed again and so I start to plan my trip to the Philippines. I plan to visit few different areas like Cebu / El Nido and Manila. But for Manila I need a little bit of help. Where to book an Airbnb? I made my research and my info so far is that the best areas are Makati (Poblacion is mentioned a lot), Malate and Quezon.

My plans are one week in Manila, then some trip to El Nido or Cebu, then go back to Manila for one more week. For Manila, I'm looking for a neighbourhood with a lot of coffee shops, bars, nice night life (everything except clubs).

I plan to find girls on Tinder and Instagram, so a bars where to look for girls is not a criteria. So far this tactic had great success everywhere in the world and I'm pretty sure it will works here too. Basically I am looking for an area with a lot of bars where I can go when I already have a girl. Just a place (bar, coffee shop, restaurant) where to have a good time. Also I am a big coffee lover so a neighbourhood with a lot of places for a good coffee is very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I usually stay in Malate, lots of everything there.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2624719] Also I am a big coffee lover so a neighbourhood with a lot of places for a good coffee is very much appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Should we assume you don't plan on sleeping much?

"I plan to find girls on Tinder and Instagram, so a bars where to look for girls is not a criteria. So far this tactic had great success everywhere in the world and I'm pretty sure it will works here too. ".

It would be extremely helpful to hear how people here use these apps. What do you say and how do you identify women you think would be interested?

[QUOTE=CubaTourist;2625802]"I plan to find girls on Tinder and Instagram, so a bars where to look for girls is not a criteria. So far this tactic had great success everywhere in the world and I'm pretty sure it will works here too. ".

It would be extremely helpful to hear how people here use these apps. What do you say and how do you identify women you think would be interested?[/QUOTE]Tinder is a dating app so just upload your photos and profile, swipe on the girls you like and wait for the matches to come in. Lots of straight up working girls there and semi pros.

Instagram contains thousands of professional girls who use it as a feeder for their Only Fans account or paid nudes and videos. You can DM them but be aware they are receiving money for essentially nothing when sending a couple of photos so meet up and hookup rates are often eye wateringly expensive. The normal girls can be treated like civilians and asked for a coffee date or more.

Enjoy. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2554881]Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:[/QUOTE]

The Robinson's Malate gals have been back on-site for about 5 months. Just inside the Pedro Gil entrance, in the walking area in the hallway near Starbucks. 2-5 ladies most days. They are not the same gals as before, they are 0. 5 - 1. 0 higher on the 10 point scale than previously. Also outside on the steps in front of Arya resto most nights are half a dozen ladies (and 1 tall bakla sometimes). I have been "Pssst massage sir" from them multiple times, but have not stopped to chat about rates or the price of a nearby ST room. During the ECQ times they disappeared like everything else.

Pic time. Tiny flat-tummy'd thing continually sneaking into my bed.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2617780]Hahahahahahaha. You are obviously not in USA, a man here over 50 can forget it. Do we have hookers here sure, but what I've seen they would have to pay me. Only hot comparable girls I've seen here was in Vegas and those girls were 1500 to 2000 dollars, they are insane. Younger college types does that happen maybe but if your older and approach them they are likely to call the police. So yes traveling to Asia is money well spent, this country is crap. 18 months now and still waiting. If by some miracle you are in US and there is a place in this country where this is possible, please, please provide location and I will get there.[/QUOTE]Toronto has thousands of hookers in all price ranges. I go there several times a year. Check out TERB as a review board. At incall agencies, you can get as low as $120 USD for 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2630124]Pic time. Tiny flat-tummy'd thing continually sneaking into my bed.[/QUOTE]Very nice: reminds me of this one. BTW, do you have any more of that slim, trim morsel?

Nah bruh. Meeting a filippina at a gogo bar or a civi bar, romancing her all night, taking her back to your hotel and having bareback sex with her for hours, and then sending her home in the morning with a kiss and a few bucks, and then repeating the next day with a different girl. That's MY jam.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2630723]Toronto has thousands of hookers in all price ranges. I go there several times a year. Check out TERB as a review board. At incall agencies, you can get as low as $120 USD for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2633057]Very nice: reminds me of this one. BTW, do you have any more of that slim, trim morsel?[/QUOTE]DW: That's effin' hot BTW.

What? Me? Have a naked pic of that little honey in the shower? Me?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2633169]DW: That's effin' hot BTW.

What? Me? Have a naked pic of that little honey in the shower? Me?[/QUOTE]No, no, the question should is a hottie where you don't have a pic or only dressed pic maybe.

Big challenge.

Anyway if you don't succeed to this challenge its very fine & even under shower or anywhere else can be fine too and thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2633197]No, no, the question should is a hottie where you don't have a pic or only dressed pic maybe. Big challenge. Anyway if you don't succeed to this challenge its very fine & even under shower or anywhere else can be fine too and thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Not sure I understood that. However, while I have clothed pics, it is a challenge I can not compete in. Clothes, like tattoos, run the risk of identifying the girl.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2630723]Toronto has thousands of hookers in all price ranges. I go there several times a year. Check out TERB as a review board. At incall agencies, you can get as low as $120 USD for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Prostitution I believe is legal in Canada, yes?

I have commented before about CL and RB, both now de-fanged (by law) and defunct. Thanks the TERB update. That price would be inline with my experiences on RB (CL could be cheaper, with a wider variety of prices -- and fuglies). While RB is dead, the ladies are still out there, conducting as before, just using other electronic methods of getting incall / outcall dates.

A note about such meetings (incall or out). Times set are typically inviolate. When its 1 hour, expect her to be moving you along by minute 59. A few ads would say "I don't watch the clock", or such. This was often true of that girl, but by just 10 minutes after the 1-hour mark, she would be making an excuse as to why I had to depart: She would claim that she had another client coming, or she had to meet some friends for drinks, or such. Never was multiple pops allowed (unless discussed in advance with some extra gift, and even then some girls will never agree to it). Never did I have an experience where the lady and I spent an extra hour just chatting, or going out later for a cup of coffee. You get mostly exactly what you pay for, there is little YMMV. This is also in line with the Mexican system of typically 30 or 60 minutes agreed to in advance (along with every item requested by the customer, otherwise she will ignore it in the room); she will not agree to extend by even a minute (a hotel 'towel guy' will knock on your ST room door 5 minutes prior to your time expiration to remind you to get moving) without a hefty gift increase. A condom in the RB and Mexican system is *always* required. What's that, you want to to extend from 1 hours to two? You pay double. RB gals and the Mejicanas want nothing to do with you when you walk out the door.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2633078]Nah bruh. Meeting a filippina at a gogo bar or a civi bar, romancing her all night, taking her back to your hotel and having bareback sex with her for hours, and then sending her home in the morning with a kiss and a few bucks, and then repeating the next day with a different girl. That's MY jam.[/QUOTE]Haha mine also. Contrast the RB / Mexican model with the asian Phils model of ST being 1-2-2. 5 hours (with multiple pops), easily discussed in advance, where the girl might not care what you do for the time (sex, massage, sex+massage+sex), as long as she stayed for the time and got the gift at the end of her time. Repeat visits will get you a reduced price (she is 'comportable' to you), or extra goodies for the same price. ST girls will often be happy with spending the night for just 30-50% more gift. Phils girls would never try to keep their clothes on during sex and then tell you that you failed to negotiate 'sin ropa' (unclothed) before hitting the room. The condom is rarely mentioned in Phils. Friendships develop with many Filipinas with their customers, they stay in touch in txt or WA or such (an intangible not available in the RB / massage / incall-outcall system, which can be see as either good, or bad).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2633494]Not sure I understood that. However, while I have clothed pics, it is a challenge I can not compete in. Clothes, like tattoos, run the risk of identifying the girl.[/QUOTE]OK, no pr5, I tried a joke but in English is not always easy for me.

Main topic was to say that I like all your pics so continue to post!

[QUOTE=CubaTourist;2625802]"I plan to find girls on Tinder and Instagram, so a bars where to look for girls is not a criteria. So far this tactic had great success everywhere in the world and I'm pretty sure it will works here too. ".

It would be extremely helpful to hear how people here use these apps. What do you say and how do you identify women you think would be interested?[/QUOTE]It's no difference of how you speak to a girl when you meet in real life. Trying to be fun, smart and a little naughty. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I gave up on "identifying" if the girl will be interested. Just try and see what will happens. You will be amazed of the amount of girls willing to have some fun and enjoy a night (or a few) with an exotic stranger. Sometimes you find a real nasty girl with wild fantasies, sometimes a girl that didn't have sex in the last months or even half an year. It's ridiculous. And pretty fun. It was like that in Indonesia, it was like that in Kenya and Uganda, it was like that in Columbia. I bet it will be the same in Philippines.

Wondering what is the current situation in Manila regarding the bars, coffee shops, places to eat. Are they working normally or there are restrictions? I see that the covid cases in Philippines drop significantly so maybe things are going back to normal regarding the places where you can have some good time with a girl? Then of course, go back to the airbnb and have some more good time. Also. Are the people on the streets wearing masks or it's a matter of personal choice? I remember few months ago when I arrived in Bogota and realised that the masks on the streets is mandatory. No good.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2635063]Wondering what is the current situation in Manila regarding the bars, coffee shops, places to eat. Are they working normally or there are restrictions? I see that the covid cases in Philippines drop significantly so maybe things are going back to normal regarding the places where you can have some good time with a girl? Then of course, go back to the airbnb and have some more good time. Also. Are the people on the streets wearing masks or it's a matter of personal choice? I remember few months ago when I arrived in Bogota and realised that the masks on the streets is mandatory. No good.[/QUOTE]I would strongly suggest you pack your bags and get down here right now. You are missing out all that exotic pussy man. The place is well and truly back to normal. The vast majority of the population has been fully vaccinated and many are lining up for booster shots. They mayors all want mongers to return, so all the hurdles have been removed. The place is very safe now and new cases and deaths are very rare. There is no need to wear a mask or use a face shield. No one is checking ID, masks or vaccine passports. There is an 'anything goes' atmosphere here. In fact, you will look like a timid idiot if you wear a mask.

As for the bars, well Burgos Street and EDSA are rocking every night to K-pop tunes. The place is awash with horny Korean mongers. I reckon half of bloody Seoul is here chasing Filipina pussy. The bars have all been fully renovated during the downtime and look terrific. They are full of hot girls from the provinces, usually in the 18-22 range. Bottoms bar the other night had close to 50 gorgeous girls in string bikinis and about 50 Korean mongers. By 8. 00 pm, all girls had been barfined and only the DJ and wait staff were there. The trick is to get there early at say 6. 00 pm. You will need to line up at 5. 30 pm to get in on time. Then go and barfine a hot chick immediately. That's the only way to beat these kimchi munchers. I was with a couple of British mongers and we barfined a chick each at precisely 6. 05 pm and that really screwed the Koreans up. Haha. They were the hottest girls in the bar too.

The only thing that has drastically changed is the pricing. The barfine is now 6,000 peso plus a 6,000 peso tip to the girl the next morning. That includes unlimited BBBJCIM and unlimited shots on goal. All action is bareback. In fact, if you take condoms, the girls will be insulted as it implies she is diseased. Don't even think about condoms.

So by the time you had three or four lady drinks, a few beers for yourself, a steak dinner and cocktails for you and your instant girlfriend, plus the 12,000 fee, you will need about 25,000 peso a night for a good time. But that's still a bargain compared to whatever country you will be coming from.

So in summary, I'd say now is your time. The Koreans are not much competition. In fact, they are timid little pricks, counting every peso. Totally pathetic. Just walk into the bars like you own the joint, flash the cash, point to the hottest chick on stage and she's yours. It's that easy. Then give the Koreans the finger!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2635107]I would strongly suggest you pack your bags and get down here right now. You are missing out all that exotic pussy man. The place is well and truly back to normal. The vast majority of the population has been fully vaccinated and many are lining up for booster shots. They mayors all want mongers to return, so all the hurdles have been removed. The place is very safe now and new cases and deaths are very rare. There is no need to wear a mask or use a face shield. No one is checking ID, masks or vaccine passports. There is an 'anything goes' atmosphere here. In fact, you will look like a timid idiot if you wear a mask.

As for the bars, well Burgos Street and EDSA are rocking every night to K-pop tunes. The place is awash with horny Korean mongers. I reckon half of bloody Seoul is here chasing Filipina pussy. The bars have all been fully renovated during the downtime and look terrific. They are full of hot girls from the provinces, usually in the 18-22 range. Bottoms bar the other night had close to 50 gorgeous girls in string bikinis and about 50 Korean mongers. By 8. 00 pm, all girls had been barfined and only the DJ and wait staff were there. The trick is to get there early at say 6. 00 pm. You will need to line up at 5. 30 pm to get in on time. Then go and barfine a hot chick immediately. That's the only way to beat these kimchi munchers. I was with a couple of British mongers and we barfined a chick each at precisely 6. 05 pm and that really screwed the Koreans up. Haha. They were the hottest girls in the bar too.

The only thing that has drastically changed is the pricing. The barfine is now 6,000 peso plus a 6,000 peso tip to the girl the next morning. That includes unlimited BBBJCIM and unlimited shots on goal. All action is bareback. In fact, if you take condoms, the girls will be insulted as it implies she is diseased. Don't even think about condoms.[/QUOTE]Really? It went from dead city to your description in what a week or two. I pray what you are saying is correct. We got a second opinion on the ground? If so I know some province girls waiting to come back as they thought it was still deadsville.

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Something to soothe the beasties: A 70-lb spinner (the best kind) gettin' busy down there.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2635198]Really? It went from dead city to your description in what a week or two. I pray what you are saying is correct. We got a second opinion on the ground? If so I know some province girls waiting to come back as they thought it was still deadsville.[/QUOTE]Yeah but if reading right a girls about 240 $ now? 6,000 to bar and 6,000 to girl? Am I missing something or the prices correct now?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2638606]Yeah but if reading right a girls about 240 $ now? 6,000 to bar and 6,000 to girl? Am I missing something or the prices correct now?[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's right. It's Covid induced inflation and the Korean owners are looking to clean up. In addition to the 12,000 peso for the girl + tip, also factor in lady drinks at exorbitant cost, beers for your self, plus dinner. These provincial hotties might only eat rice and vegetables back home in their villages, but they develop expensive and sophisticated palates whenever a foreigner is around. You will be up for a nice steak dinner or a hotel dinner buffet. Yep, all up it's going to cost a lot. But it will still be cheaper than wherever you're coming from.

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[QUOTE=RacShack;2638606]Yeah but if reading right a girls about 240 $ now? 6,000 to bar and 6,000 to girl? Am I missing something or the prices correct now?[/QUOTE]Whoa! 6000 bar fine. Girl ok maybe if hot enough but that kind of bar fine is insane.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2638606]Yeah but if reading right a girls about 240 $ now? 6,000 to bar and 6,000 to girl? Am I missing something or the prices correct now?[/QUOTE]Barfines at Go Bananas, Jools, Dimples, Mirrors, Bourbon, and Hollywood were, in February 2020 (just prior to Covid), p3900. Some bars had happy hour prices, afternoon and early evening, half-price on the barfine for ST. LT tip prices were p4-6 k for hotties, half that for lesser girls. Even for a hottie, p3900 BF + p6,000 tip + p600 drinks was about 11 k, $220 USD, so not far off from the $240 mentioned (adding in dinner and / or breakfast and / or bar-hopping with your honey). For lesser girls you could get them to agree to 2000-3500-ish for tip (and, for those interested, I had little trouble convincing them to afternoon ST with me prior to their shift for 2 k). Someone correct me if I am wrong.

There was, for almost a year prior to Covid, a serious decline in the number of gents seen in the bars. That p3900 barfine was set in stone for at least 5 years. Given that you get a hottie all night and get a pop in the evening and morning, and can take her out on a date, for $250 USD, try *that* in your country. Hotties in my country are college-age girls and want up to twice that amount per hour, and come with a list of "No!" conditions that pinay won't utter.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2639009]Barfines at Go Bananas, Jools, Dimples, Mirrors, Bourbon, and Hollywood were, in February 2020 (just prior to Covid), p3900. Some bars had happy hour prices, afternoon and early evening, half-price on the barfine for ST. LT tip prices were p4-6 k for hotties, half that for lesser girls. Even for a hottie, p3900 BF + p6,000 tip + p600 drinks was about 11 k, $220 USD, so not far off from the $240 mentioned (adding in dinner and / or breakfast and / or bar-hopping with your honey). For lesser girls you could get them to agree to 2000-3500-ish for tip (and, for those interested, I had little trouble convincing them to afternoon ST with me prior to their shift for 2 k). Someone correct me if I am wrong.

There was, for almost a year prior to Covid, a serious decline in the number of gents seen in the bars. That p3900 barfine was set in stone for at least 5 years. Given that you get a hottie all night and get a pop in the evening and morning, and can take her out on a date, for $250 USD, try *that* in your country. Hotties in my country are college-age girls and want up to twice that amount per hour, and come with a list of "No!" conditions that pinay won't utter.[/QUOTE]Pre COVID vs now I realize are probably going to be two different environments. Girls and bars need to make up for lost revenue. I visited those same bars you mentioned but most of the time I picked during happy hour and bar fine was 2 k and girl usual 4 or 5 k. Gave myself 3 k to drink and get to know the girl so 10 k tops, still about $200. If I got a late start and saw a honey after happy hour ID just give her my number and say meet me after work. Did this always work, no. Maybe 50% of the time. Did I care, no not really. I lived and worked there so time was on my side. I understand for a monger there for a week or two on vacation this would not be practical was I getting sloppy 2nds or thirds if they showed up. Probably but its not like I'm expecting Mother Teresa. Even a normal hours bar pickup she could have been banging a monger all afternoon, who knows. Nevertheless it will be good to get back after so long. Price at this point is really not going to be a issue after being stuck in US with all these lard asses.

Isn't EDSA complex completely gone?

I was still in PH when mongers were collectively grieving at the closure of its last remaining bars.

I am curious. What chat site were you using?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1254408]the following sequence tells a story. maybe not for the squeamish. names changed to protect identities.

i won't bore you with all the details of meeting, but an online chatmate some years ago wanted to meet up when i was in manila. gina. while i hadn't told her in advance i was coming, when she found i was in manila, she wanted to leave the province (family labored on a pig farm) to come see me in manila. while very small-appearing on cam, she is very cute.

i had been chatting her from a caf, and she was full of repeated requests to meet, but i was a bit uneasy about it, because she appeared physically small / young on cam, and seemed immature. the next day, thru txt, i agreed. i reminded her that antipolo was a long way out, and that she would have to pay her own way. she asked if i would re-imburse her the bus fare. i said yes. she said that if i didn't like her after meeting, she would not ask me for the bus fare. seemed fair enough to me, although i would still give her the round trip bus fare. she said she would be in the hotel lobby at 3pm. at 3pm as i'm heading downstairs to the lobby, she txts: "can i bring my auntie?" since you are already 2 hours on the bus, and already have auntie with you, there is no stopping that.

five minutes later gina and 3 other women walk into the lobby. she brought her aunt, her mom, and her younger sister. the mom and aunt were older, late 40's, fat. gina herself is 4' 6", about 65lbs. other than her shortness, she is stunning. if she were 5' 6", she would be the most perfectly apportioned woman you've ever seen: nice ass, skinny waist, and real boobage, cute face. her younger sister, carol, is even hotter: she looked just like a (poor) supermodel or actress, including her being tall (for pinay) at 5'-7" height. carol appears to be 22-23-24 in age. i almost had to collect my jaw up from the floor. i was polite, we sat in the lobby a bit and chatted, but i was unsure if i should take them to the room. they were all a bit dirty in their clothes.

after a bit, the aunt, who spoke better english than the rest of them, asked if they could see my room."haha we never been on hotel before." looking at gina, she now appeared to be fairly young. i shouldn't have, but i let them come upstairs to the room. by luck, the hotel had upgraded me from a regular room to a deluxe, a corner room with floor-ceiling windows on the adjoining walls where the corner of the building is. amazing view. separate entry room, a sitting room with couch. a large-screen tv in the bedroom. largest kingsize bed i've ever seen in asia. walk-in closet. bathroom with bathtub, and a phone in the can for calling the front desk while you crap. it was clear from their reaction that they've never been in a hotel. the elevator itself kind of freaked them out. they were in awe of the room: "my god! its bigger our house!" they sat on the bed for a bit, all four of them: "haha. whole family can sleep this bed!" they walked around and checked out the suite.

at this point i wasn't sure how to get rid of them. i couldn't take my eyes off either sister. one was small and cute, the other was g-g-gorgeous. carol kept staring at me, she rarely spoke. it was the "come-hither-big-boy" look. i asked if they wanted to go to robinson's next door and get a coffee or juice? yes they did. once in the mall they wanted juice at a restaurant. mostly they wanted dinner. stupidly i got sucked into that one. the younger sister, carol, kept looking at me in the restaurant, with a wisp of a smile (mona lisa like) , kind of the way a cat looks at a mouse under its paw. during dinner i asked auntie how old carol was: "she running 17. just graduate high school. she our only one who graduate high school till now." jesus de christo! 16 years old, looking 23, with a face that kept saying throw me on the table and fuck me in front of everyone. after dinner they wanted to go thru the mall. we strolled, they hinted for stuff, i ignored. finally they said they wanted to go in the grocery store. they grabbed a cart. to cut the damage, i handed gina's auntie a p500 note and said i would give them no more money. they spent (no kidding) , p502, and asked me for 2 pesos at the checkout register.

then they asked to come back to the room for a few minutes. i was about to say no, and get rid of them, when auntie said they must get on the bus soon as it was dark. whew! back up to the room, and right away auntie asks if i can help them with their family problem: her brother, gina's dad, had to pawn his motorcycle to pay some gambling debts. they needed p10k. i said no. they asked if i wanted to keep gina while i was in manila."you keep her. long time if you want. one day two day one week two week if you like. even you can travel with her if you like. up to you. if you happy to her then maybe you give her some peso to our family problem. ok?" i told auntie that gina appeared ****."not ****. she adult. she have i-d even." with that, auntie grabbed gina's purse, opened it, and turned it inside out on the bed. out fell a p20 note, an i-d, a pair of panties, and lipstick. i checked the i-d, it showed gina (who said before she was 23) to have just turned 20. auntie said that i could send gina home anytime i no longer wanted her, and i should give her p500 for bus to get home, and i could send any amount for the family problem that i desired."if you not happy my niece you give her bus money only. if you happy to her you give a more. no worry." i hesitated, which was met with: "you no want gina. you want carol? she 16 only but she make you a happy." i was stunned at the offer. again this must have appeared to auntie as hesitation: "ok. you want both girl? you keep both girl. no worry to you."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;2645282]I am curious. What chat site were you using?[/QUOTE]More importantly, why didn't he check her ID before she got on the bus? It would have saved a lot of the subsequent shennanigans.

[QUOTE=JamesXBrown;2645332]More importantly, why didn't he check her ID before she got on the bus? It would have saved a lot of the subsequent shennanigans.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the age question was commonly ignored by girls. I had a similar experience few years ago. Met a girl 19 years old fairly okay looking and invited her to a hotel I was staying. Hotels at that time did not care and security did not check anybody. The girl came with another girl and knocked on my door. Upon opening the door I was surprised. Before letting them in I asked for both I. D and they did not have any and they promised they are above 18 years of age. Dating site girl wanted to take a shower and went to the bathroom. Other girl laid with me on the bed and started kissing me. I started kissing her boobs. Before I removed her pants I asked her again how old she was. She said 17. I immediately yelled at the girl in the bathroom to finish her shower and get dressed. I told her why she would bring in underage girl. She apologized profusely saying other girl just tagged along looking for some money. She also said it is okay. But I kicked both of them out with some money.

After this I make sure girls have official I. D to stay with me. On chatting if they did not have I have sent them 500 pesos to get one before I come. At that time it cost only 200 pesos get official police I. D. It takes about 6 weeks. Nowadays security always checks I. D if you stay in upscale hotels. They can spot fake I. D.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2645585]Unfortunately the age question was commonly ignored by girls....[/QUOTE]While some girls may be malicious, it's also very common for girls who are "running" 18, ie 18 next birthday, to consider and describe themselves as 18.

Safest to ask first or just focus on those who say they are 20 or above.

Enjoy. G.

Beware, the Philippines authorities will hunt the sex abuser down even he escaped to his home country.

[URL]https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1151722[/URL]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2638772]Yeah, that's right. It's Covid induced inflation and the Korean owners are looking to clean up. In addition to the 12,000 peso for the girl + tip, also factor in lady drinks at exorbitant cost, beers for your self, plus dinner. These provincial hotties might only eat rice and vegetables back home in their villages, but they develop expensive and sophisticated palates whenever a foreigner is around. You will be up for a nice steak dinner or a hotel dinner buffet. Yep, all up it's going to cost a lot. But it will still be cheaper than wherever you're coming from.[/QUOTE]I just was in Thailand. A lot cheaper there.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2646235]Beware, the Philippines authorities will hunt the sex abuser down even he escaped to his home country. [URL]https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1151722[/URL][/QUOTE]A couple thoughts. This guy could have been one of ours. Does anybody come to mind who was active in this forum and then suddenly dropped out of sight about last March?

Second thought: maybe the guy worked for USAID, in which case this reinforces the idea of USAID as a criminal enterprise as another poster has suggested.

But reference to the US Embassy reminds me of a situation from about 15 years ago. I was staying for a few nights at Boulevard Mansion, a run-down hotel on Roxas Boulevard kitty-corner from the Embassy and a three minute walk from LA Cafe. On a Saturday morning I walked across Roxas to the "Baywalk" area. Lito Atienza was Manila mayor at the time and had gotten a bunch of small eateries and other entertainment to set up shop there. A young female approached me and asked if I wanted a massage. She looked young to me but insisted she wasn't underage. I asked if she had ID. She said she didn't but her friend had ID. She pointed to a woman, perhaps 30ish, standing about 20 meters away. This woman was watching us intently. I considered that she might have been a mamasan type, or perhaps part of a team (with the girl) trying to entrap me. I decided the risk wasn't worth it and walked away.

Considering that my situation took place a couple hundred meters from the Embassy is a reminder that even well-placed public servants (maybe even British royalty) aren't immune to the underage problem. It's possible the guy in this news release didn't know she was underage, but he was still very foolish to have taken the risk. If you're not sure, walk away.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2646420] It's possible the guy in this news release didn't know she was underage, but he was still very foolish to have taken the risk. If you're not sure, walk away.[/QUOTE]

He worked at the Embassy Definitely knows the underaged sex laws, how can he be so ignorant to overlook the child's age?

Another Spaniard was also similarly charged, involving the same girl.

I read somewhere the 2 men know each other.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/mb.com.ph/2021/10/29/ex-american-diplomat-cheves-extradition-to-face-criminal-charges-in-ph-depends-on-us-case/%3famp[/URL]

USAID, both in the Philippines and around the world, does not operate its programs directly, and in fact—relative to the size of its programs—has a relatively small staff, most of whom are nationals of the countries in which the agency operates. In many countries USAID does not operate within US Embassy compounds, but has its own offices located elsewhere. Indeed that was the case for decades here in the Philippines, until USAID operations were moved inside of the compound about a decade ago. More importantly, implementation of USAID's programs is performed by contractors—all of them US development companies—selected for specific projects through a highly competitive bidding process. Having worked for 20+ years for one of the larger contractors, and for 10 years prior to that for an even larger contractor, I can state with relative certainty that the engineers, psychologists, sociologists, architects, political scientists and economists with whom I worked over the years, bore no more relationship to the CIA than the OP's contentions bear to reality.

Veering away from the nonsensical conspiracy rankings, it appears that the inexorable Omicron wave is imminent here. MetroManila has now been placed on Level 3 alert, which will likely mean more restrictions on movements and tighter controls on businesses. ICUs in the NCR have begun to fill after a couple of months of relative calm. Here in Davao, where the reported cases of Omicron remain small, Davao Doctors Hospital has just re-opened its COVID ward having closed it a month or so ago, and the city administration has begun a widespread booster campaign.

GE.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2646503]He worked at the Embassy Definitely knows the underaged sex laws, how can he be so ignorant to overlook the child's age?

Another Spaniard was also similarly charged, involving the same girl.

I read somewhere the 2 men know each other.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/mb.com.ph/2021/10/29/ex-american-diplomat-cheves-extradition-to-face-criminal-charges-in-ph-depends-on-us-case/%3famp[/URL][/QUOTE]D, thanks for sharing this. I hope these guys get what they deserve, but knowledge of the law is only part of the story. Knowledge about the girl in the story is the other part, although if she was only 16, it's hard to believe he was unaware she was underage.

Interestingly, the accused American was only in the Philippines for five months. If the two men knew each other, as D suggests, the story provides a cautionary tale about accepting digits from other foreign mongers.

I confess I am disturbed by what's happening in this online version of the Manila Bulletin. The site seems to be totally infiltrated with pop-up advertisements and other junk, and this particular "article" doesn't have much substance to it. Perhaps the problem is that this particular gateway goes through google. I read that the Bulletin has overtaken the Inquirer as the largest circulation English language newspaper in the country. Am I missing something?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2646507] Having worked for 20+ years for one of the larger contractors, and for 10 years prior to that for an even larger contractor, I can state with relative certainty that the engineers, psychologists, sociologists, architects, political scientists and economists with whom I worked over the years, bore no more relationship to the CIA than the OP's contentions bear to reality.GE.[/QUOTE]GE, et al., please understand that I was being totally facetious about the possibility that the accused pedophile worked for USAID. As I pointed out in another thread, the OP's assertion about the CIA as Mafia was sourced from a "news" outlet hosted by the Venezuelan government and initiated by Hugo Chavez in 2007.

Sometimes facetiousness confuses the underlying story. I apologize for accidentally allowing a conspiracy theory to gain traction. Please note that conspiracies are easily hatched from both the political right and the political left.

[QUOTE=Datiao;2646503]He worked at the Embassy Definitely knows the underaged sex laws, how can he be so ignorant to overlook the child's age?

Another Spaniard was also similarly charged, involving the same girl.

I read somewhere the 2 men know each other.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/mb.com.ph/2021/10/29/ex-american-diplomat-cheves-extradition-to-face-criminal-charges-in-ph-depends-on-us-case/%3famp[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting. In the Spaniard's case, his accuser recanted and attempted to desist:

[I]However, Villar said the RTC found the motion unmeritorious, citing jurisprudence which provides that as a general rule, courts view unfavorably affidavits of desistance or a recantation of a victims testimony, since they can be easily be obtained xxx and that such affidavits are viewed with suspicion and reservation

Also, the Presiding Judge stated that the dismissal of a child abuse case is prohibited if made solely on the basis of an affidavit of desistance or recantation submitted by the child and/or the childs family, citing the Protocol for Case Management of Child Victims of Abuse, Neglect, and Exploitation, and DOJ Circular No. 2002-54, she added.[/I]

Question: If ever there is a misunderstanding, extortion on the part of the complainant (in the case of a minor, on the part of the parents possibly), or other thing, how does one put a stop to legal proceedings where the victim recants or says the accused is innocent? While the State might have an obligation to investigate or even prosecute in certain instances where the victim refuses to file a complaint, recanting via affidavit signed in front of Court officers goes further: It would seem to exonerate the accused prior to conviction. One of you legal-minded fellas explain it to me.

G'day gents. Hot little morsel for your perusal; nearly perfectly-formed sub 5-footer. Exactly what you are hoping for here.

Hi all,

OK, long time lurker, time to give something back to this wonderful forum. Hopefully you find my posts, useful, entertaining and informative.

The saga of the blue balls (part 1).

I arrived into Manila in Q3 of 2021, having an impressive set of pandemic induced blue balls that really needed some pressure relief I set out on a mission to try and not explode by the first lady to touch me just to perform another nasal swab! Fate however decided to really test my perseverance, as before I got out of quarantine all of Manila was introduced to alert level 4 for the first time.

For those not here, alert level 4 means all bars and in dining restaurants are closed, this is important as it makes finding ladies to be with all the more difficult (excluding online dating). It also means that hotels and most resident complexes simply don't allow visitors which adds to the challenge.

Luckily I had been to Manila pre-pandemic so still had a few contacts which I had remained in contact with during my time away, which took care of my first challenge.

My second challenge was to find somewhere to find somewhere to have my lady friend take care of my blue balls, this actually turned out initially to be a bit of a problem.

To understand this second challenge, most of my lady friends who worked in and around Makati pre-pandemic, had moved back to their homes (outskirts of Manila) and given the strict approach to lockdown level 4, which included police checkpoints to limit movement, vaccine checks (this was when less than 10% of the population was vaccinated) and the general fear around, when I asked my lady friends for solutions they were unable to provide any.

So, I opted to try and resolve this myself, where I was staying it wasn't allowed for visitors, so hunting online I tried Agoda and AirBnB, along with any suggestions from my lady friends, one of whom suggested a well-known short term hotel Sogo. I called the hotel and was told sure I could book in but would need to be there for 10 days quarantine which seemed a bit excessive for a few hours of fun.

Agoda listed many hotels that you could book for a single night, but after calling 6-10 different ones, the pattern was the same, many were re-purposed into quarantine hotels and that was the only business they were open to at that time, if you were coming from within country you would still need to quarantine (only for level 4).

AirBnB was a lot more interesting, some places simply hadn't updated their status as not being available (didn't want the hassle), some would rent to you, but no visitors allowed, and then we had those who just didn't give a sh*t and wanted to make money. Well, I was desperate, vaccinated and needed relief so I struck a deal with one of the last group and received very detailed instructions on how to just walk by security, what to say if asked was I new, don't check in, go to the door and so on. Very exciting for more than one reason, price for the 1 night was I think around 4 K paseos (yes expensive, but it was all that was available at the time).

With the where and when sorted out, I just needed to secure my lady friend, I was super clear, I explained that I wanted her all night, I would pay a premium (6 K), pre pandemic I used to pay 2-4 K depending on duration and performance, and the deal was struck, she wanted me to tried go with her cousin who looked a bit tempting, I was given two options, one young (about 19-20) and the other older about 25-26 my friend was 22 I think. I chose the younger one and was assured that I would have a great time.

So the day (Friday) same for the deed, I turned up, the taxi with the lady turned up, and. The older cousin got out. WTF. Ah well, blue balls couldn't be turned back at this point, so we then proceeded into the room, which turned out to be a large tower block of small apartments, that was being used by a surprisingly large number of "military" that was drafted in to help enforce level 4 lockdown rules (the irony). So we get to the room, and 45 min later I was in a great mood, the older cousin might actually be a keeper, so feeling a bit hungry I opted to go and get a pizza for dinner before round 2, 3 and so on. Upon getting back and finishing the pizza, just as I was trying to initiate round two, I was informed by the older cousin that she would be going home now. WTF. This was not what was agreed, so needless to say, while a little less under pressure, I was not happy. To be continued.

That night I returned to where I was staying and promptly informed my lady friend that I was very unhappy with the whole cousin setup, I informed her of the hassle I went through to find and book a place and that while the deed was good, it wasn't what I needed to properly take care of my severe blue balls.

My lady friend had the right reaction and immediately begged forgiveness and was willing to do anything to make up for my disappointment. She offered to find a venue and would personally come to take care of me herself, things were looking up, even if I was paying a premium for the experience.

I said OK, come and take care of me, so we arranged to meet near P. Burgos street, close to a famous hotel that is "so good", I turned up and then so did my date on Saturday, she said that she heard that a short term hotel was still in action, so I said OK, let's try, as we walked to the hotel, it must have been obvious from my massive blue balls why we were going there, but before we got to the door we got ushered into a taxi, with an explanation of "no charge, we bring you", so we were dropped extremely close, but back street and then issued into a lobby where I was informed, to present ID, vaccine papers and 3.6 K (I think) for the room which would be for an overnight stay, although we were not going to stay overnight, the 3.6 K included (included 1 k deposit which I would get back if we didn't wreck the room.).

So 5 hours later, after and an excessive amount of energetic sex and several pops, I was finally relieved of the ownership of blue balls (RIP). My lady friend had redeemed herself, and given me faith back in her services, we headed back to reception where I received my 1 K deposit back and was informed that next time I would receive a discount.

And do you know what? I did actually receive discounts in return visits and also free "upgrades", so much so that I honestly thought I was going to get issued a frequent flyer card.

I am not naming specifics too much given that Manila is at high risk of returning to L4 given the current rise in COVID numbers, so I need to keep options open in case I am forced to repeat the above story.

[QUOTE=GhostD;2649015]So 5 hours later, after and an excessive amount of energetic sex and several pops, I was finally relieved of the ownership of blue balls (RIP). [/QUOTE]G: Great boots-on-the-ground reporting.

Gents, this honey is laying-in-wait for the phellas to return. Seems to like multiple vaxxings. Not sure if 'spirited' or 'caliente' is a better descriptor for this mocha sweetie. Hard to shake the smile from her face.

Philippines has just announced that it will start allowing the entry of fully vaccinated foreigners into the country on February 18. Here’s the link: https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1165425?fbclid=IwAR1JoJczKiKIM3hgpU0_XQDw0Yy8KCZv1Rr55oLb3xXxwQpkAH5Cs-gILoo



GE

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2651170] Gents, this honey is laying-in-wait for the phellas to return. [/QUOTE]Double-checking your spelling. Did you mean pfellas or phallus?

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2652042]Double-checking your spelling. Did you mean pfellas or phallus?[/QUOTE]Haha YES I DID!

Evidently, the link I posted, though published by the government, is not entirely clear, and is meant to apply only to those coming for medical visits and urgent / humanitarian missions, though that's not stated in the announcement. Regular "leisure" tourism is still not permitted and there's been no decision yet made on when the country will open again for tourists. I misinterpreted the announcement, and probably should not have posted it until I had sought clarification from those involved in the ongoing discussions. Evidently no one has a firm idea on even an approximate date for opening to tourists.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2652097]Evidently, the link I posted, though published by the government, is not entirely clear, and is meant to apply only to those coming for medical visits and urgent / humanitarian missions, though that's not stated in the announcement. Regular "leisure" tourism is still not permitted and there's been no decision yet made on when the country will open again for tourists. I misinterpreted the announcement, and probably should not have posted it until I had sought clarification from those involved in the ongoing discussions. Evidently no one has a firm idea on even an approximate date for opening to tourists..[/QUOTE]Thanks and don't worry too much, you helped to understand how unclear can be these official statements!

They say foreign, foreigners, and in one place foreign nationals!

That's the key we have to look for in order to understand what they say.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2652097]Evidently, the link I posted, though published by the government, is not entirely clear, and is meant to apply only to those coming for medical visits and urgent / humanitarian missions, though that's not stated in the announcement. Regular "leisure" tourism is still not permitted and there's been no decision yet made on when the country will open again for tourists. I misinterpreted the announcement, and probably should not have posted it until I had sought clarification from those involved in the ongoing discussions. Evidently no one has a firm idea on even an approximate date for opening to tourists.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. I went crazy with blue balls looking for any information. All the girls are eagerly waiting for me or the money although I presume it is the latter.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2652141]I went crazy with blue balls looking for any information.[/QUOTE]Wondering why. . .

Dear Santa,

You forgot.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpnDPDvMec[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2652141]Thanks for the clarification. I went crazy with blue balls looking for any information. All the girls are eagerly waiting for me or the money although I presume it is the latter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2652097]Evidently, the link I posted, though published by the government, is not entirely clear, and is meant to apply only to those coming for medical visits and urgent / humanitarian missions, though that's not stated in the announcement. Regular "leisure" tourism is still not permitted and there's been no decision yet made on when the country will open again for tourists. I misinterpreted the announcement, and probably should not have posted it until I had sought clarification from those involved in the ongoing discussions. Evidently no one has a firm idea on even an approximate date for opening to tourists..[/QUOTE]GE.

I'm not sure how to interpret all of this. "Evidently" is similar to "assuming" or "presuming". I learned a looooong time ago not to assume or presume anything. LOL Yes, "regular leisure tourism is still not permitted". But the announcement states that opening up would be in the middle of February. As demonstrated time and time again, that is plenty of time to reverse course on multiple occasions. FWIW, I tried calling the PI consulate offices in Los Angeles and San Franfreako to get an "official" clarification and was stonewalled with recorded menu messages. There is nothing in the referenced announcement that limits visits (beginning in February) to "medical visits and urgent / humanitarian missions". Since making your original posting, what made you backtrack a bit?

Thanks.

SS.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2652180]Wondering why...[/QUOTE]Either way, certainly "titillating". (adjective. Arousing mild sexual excitement or interest; salacious.).

SS.

I spoke with someone who helped to create the message who clarified it for me. The words you put in quotes reflect the gist of what I was told. I was also told that a decision on when to start admitting tourists is still being discussed and that no decisions have been reached.

GE.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2652299]GE.

I'm not sure how to interpret all of this. "Evidently" is similar to "assuming" or "presuming". I learned a looooong time ago not to assume or presume anything. LOL Yes, "regular leisure tourism is still not permitted". But the announcement states that opening up would be in the middle of February. As demonstrated time and time again, that is plenty of time to reverse course on multiple occasions. FWIW, I tried calling the PI consulate offices in Los Angeles and San Franfreako to get an "official" clarification and was stonewalled with recorded menu messages. There is nothing in the referenced announcement that limits visits (beginning in February) to "medical visits and urgent / humanitarian missions". Since making your original posting, what made you backtrack a bit?

Thanks.

SS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2652345]Either way, certainly "titillating". (adjective. Arousing mild sexual excitement or interest; salacious.).

Was She Cold or Just Excited?[/QUOTE]I can 'assume' that she was not too cold (she is / was vivacious, humorous, happy, and narcissistic). That leaves. . . Well use your imagination.

Here is another one of my gals, also 'titillating' (and not too cold).

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2652299]GE.

I'm not sure how to interpret all of this. "Evidently" is similar to "assuming" or "presuming". I learned a looooong time ago not to assume or presume anything. SNIP Since making your original posting, what made you backtrack a bit? SS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2652557]I spoke with someone who helped to create the message who clarified it for me. The words you put in quotes reflect the gist of what I was told. I was also told that a decision on when to start admitting tourists is still being discussed and that no decisions have been reached.GE.[/QUOTE]Talking to pinoy government officials, whether LGU or above, whether in Phils or in other places, is HIT-and-MISS. I capitalized that on purpose. It can be sketchy information, wrong information (a good bet), or information that they themselves might change on the fly. Getting solid intel from them can be impossible, even for the simplest of requests. For example you go to your Brgy hall and ask how to deal with a situation. The lady there tells you to go to the Dept. Of Trade to deal with your problem. She walks away and you speak to a Brgy guy, and he tells you to talk to the Dept. Of Health. You taxi to the DT and explain your problem, only to be told that they don't deal with your kind of issue, and they direct you to the DOH. You taxi to the DOH and explain your situation, only to be told that they don't handle that kind of problem: "You try the DT maybe". Maybe?

Recently I transmitted to another expat who has lived in Phils much longer than me, a story about how my local Brgy office had effed up a situation for me, repeatedly (specifics not mentioned here). It was one of the worst cases of multiple incompetent LGU and Mayoral personnel, and poorly run systems, that I have ever seen. It threw hundreds (dare I say a thousand) persons into disarray. Multiple Brgy personnel gave conflicting advice on what to do, and the Mayor's office forgot (failed) to publicize the bad situation, and failed to deal with it after it happened. When I wrote and described it to our expat friend, his simple (and completely correct) reply was such as this: "Another disaster, a tragedy. But not surprising, as you are talking about people who could not organize a bake sale". You know the old line: "Its not a bug, its a feature", meaning that this kind of thing is a way of life in Phils.

When GE is describing the situation with the announcement, its very understandable. One government department decided to publicize some upcoming thing (good), but they did it in English (should be good, but not necessarily, translation difficulties). They didn't explain it very well (bad). Leaving everyone confused. Its not a bug, its a feature. Phall in line, phella.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2652299]FWIW, I tried calling the PI consulate offices in Los Angeles and San Franfreako to get an "official" clarification and was stonewalled with recorded menu messages.[/QUOTE]As all government offices are on reduced hours, reduced workforce, reduced clientelle (50% or 30% at any given time, covid-case related), and mandatory online appointment scheduling, its a fair bet that they are doing that at all consulates or Phils government offices the world over. So much for walking into the Phils Consulate on La Brea in LOS Angeles to apply for a visa. And so much for phoning them, you might need to make an online appointment.

Sammon, don't lose your faith in Santa. Keep checking your stockings.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2652218]Dear Santa,

You forgot.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpnDPDvMec[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2652627]Talking to pinoy government officials[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2652627]Talking to pinoy government officials, whether LGU or above, whether in Phils or in other places, is HIT-and-MISS. I capitalized that on purpose. It can be sketchy information, wrong information (a good bet), or information that they themselves might change on the fly. Getting solid intel from them can be impossible, even for the simplest of requests. [/QUOTE]My experience has been that often Filipinos have a difficult time delivering bad news. In those situations they hem and haw and become evasive rather than saying, "Look pal, your shit out of luck."

[QUOTE=TheRose;2653355]My experience has been that often Filipinos have a difficult time delivering bad news. In those situations they hem and haw and become evasive rather than saying, "Look pal, your shit out of luck."[/QUOTE]Yes. They will say "maybe" when the answer is no, because they don't want to deliver bad news. I assume it also explains some lying. They sometimes lie to avoid delivering bad news and / or to avoid they or the other person losing face.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2653211]Sammon, don't lose your faith in Santa. Keep checking your stockings.[/QUOTE]Sammon never loses faith. I suggest he take matters into his own hands when he return. "Grab the bull by the horns", so to speak. If you catch my drift.

Hey, who's taking that picture. . . ?

No outside food? Single person occupancy?

This notice sounds like the disclaimer you get when you book a Pay-to-stay cell in LA county jail the pay-to-stay room at the LA county jail actually sounds more inviting than they make these rooms sound.

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pay-to-stay-jails/[/URL]

Needless to say I canceled that one immediately until they update these policies. Smh.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2657351]No outside food? Single person occupancy?

This notice sounds like the disclaimer you get when you book a Pay-to-stay cell in LA county jail the pay-to-stay room at the LA county jail actually sounds more inviting than they make these rooms sound.

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pay-to-stay-jails/[/URL]

Needless to say I canceled that one immediately until they update these policies. Smh.[/QUOTE]I am guessing that is from one of the NCR's many quarantine-only hotels. I believe I reported previously that all 10 of the NCR's Red Planet hotels (and many other chains) have gone to Q-only. They are not for travelers, they are for persons needing to isolate. That might include returning OFW, or anyone who tests positive.

I dislike saying it, but I think inbound tourists next month are in for interesting times regarding accomodations. PLEASE contact your hotel or apartment manager, or condo host in advance to ask about policies that might be of importance to you (but maybe not covered in the Agoda description). Items such as:

1) Number of guests allowed.

2) Medical requirements for you and your guests.

3) Can the guest come / go (which is what we typically want: F / F / F), or does the residence (owner / host) want the guest to live there (what we don't want)? This information is known the host, residents and Admin, but often not spelled out in the hotel or airbb description. See * below.

4) Is this facility an ROF- or Q-faciltiy (see MM's pic)?

5) Does this area have a curfew (or when was the last time there was a curfew, and what time does / did it start)?

6) Same for alcohol ban.

7) What is the current Alert level? Has this residence been locked down before?

* Side note. Made an Agoda hotel reservation in the NCR, 15 months after the pandemic started. The hotel was nicer than the usual ST places that I had been using so I decided an over-nighter with my lady would be a good change-of-pace. The room has 2 large beds and can be reserved for 1, 2, 3, or 4 persons, with a tiny price increase for the 3- or 4-person option, so I clicked 4 persons. I was considering a 3-some as a possibility. I had one regular gal inbound for the night and was considering contacting a second gal (who had 3-somed with the first gal before). Once at the hotel, checking in at the counter with girl #1, I mentioned to the clerk that 'Jenny' might be joining us later. "No sir. Maximum 2 persons per room. Hotel policy during Covid". Hey, Agoda says 4 persons. "No sir. Last week we were ECQ and it was 1 person per room. Now its not ECQ, maximum 2 persons. Only". The manager came out of the back room and confirmed that info.

Hey, guy, why does Agoda say 4 person? I paid for up to 4 persons. "That agoda is from before the pandemic. Not now". You haven't updated it in 15 months? "No sir". Then I want a partial refund for the 2-to-4 person upgrade. "Yes its fine. But you will not bring additional person here. This is pandemic!" Everything worked out fine with one girl.

** Separately, google map your residence location, and find the surrounding Sogo and Victoria Court hotels. Once your boots are on the ground, ask your door guard if there are other ST hotels in the area.

*** Contacted recently privately by chaps who have apparently not been RTTF. They think that now that they will be allowed in as tourists, that 'the pandemic crap is done'. DO SEND US SOME DESCRIPTIVE FIELD REPORTS once you are BOTG.