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[QUOTE=DCups;1817173]Hi NS, I don't like the bar fine either unless I have to have her right away. Better to get her digits and see her before or after work. I have seen girls get fired, though, for doing this (if someone sees them).

Yes, they very much appreciate a nice gift and or comparable tip. The pi nays are so easy to please and so loving. Well, most of them.[/QUOTE] D cups, I think the secret is to take the girls out of angeles for the trip if you do not want for her or yourself to be seen.

I just cannot see the benifit of paying many days of barfines for the same girl up front to a bar.

The more sensible way if one wants to stay in angeles and see the same girl every day is to just arrange to pay the bar every day not all the money up front, too many things to go wrong.

Picture this, guy pays for 10-15 days barfine up front, girl is fine for first few days, fucks and sucks morning and night, after few days, sorry honey, not feel well, sorry honey have my period, no pussy honey for 7 days, sorry na honey.

As I say don't pay barfine and take girl somewhere else, if she starts to be a problem send her back to angeles on a cheap ferry / bus ticket and move on.

Pay many days barfine up front and wave good bye to our cash if troubles arise.

I have been a little surprised at all the negative vibes lately re Angeles City in general.

Glad to see someone having success and reporting it.

For myself, I am a strong AC beleiber.

Nowhere in the world have I found such easy access to young, sweet, thin f*ing machines.

I have over the years heard many guys on many angeles based boards claim that angeles city is the number 1 destination for GFE.

I have often wondered how this works and why guys believe its only alive and well in angeles or why people feel they need to seek it out.

I have always been of the thought that paying a prostitute to say the correct things, cater to a punters ego. Loneliness, lack of self esteem with terms like honey your so handsome, honey your so young looking, honey your not fat, honey your cock is so big, honey nobody made me cum as much as you etc etc was just that, paying a prostitute by the hour to basically lie to ones self.

its all just a deceipt, a game payed for by hard cash, a game that can be repeated through out asia not only angeles IMHO, all it takes is hard cash.

i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,

thoughts guys ???

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1817288]I have over the years heard many guys on many angeles based boards claim that angeles city is the number 1 destination for GFE.

I have often wondered how this works and why guys believe its only alive and well in angeles or why people feel they need to seek it out.

I have always been of the thought that paying a prostitute to say the correct things, cater to a punters ego. Loneliness, lack of self esteem with terms like honey your so handsome, honey your so young looking, honey your not fat, honey your cock is so big, honey nobody made me cum as much as you etc etc was just that, paying a prostitute by the hour to basically lie to ones self.

its all just a deceipt, a game payed for by hard cash, a game that can be repeated through out asia not only angeles IMHO, all it takes is hard cash.

i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,

thoughts guys ???[/QUOTE]What's not to understand? Most guys here would say you are already paying for GFE with your GF. You are paying for it one way or another.

I don't know if AC is actually #1 in this as I don't have other comparables.

I would further say most Johns paying for it aren't looking for GFE.

Other thoughts guys?

First a disclaimer: I am a long time ISG member, but had to delete my previous account due to a temporary change in personal circumstances. Thus this new account. With that said, would request to please refrain from the RTFF or other noob flames. If at all possible.

I have one (potentially not so simple) question and welcome your suggestions:

I will be in HKG in the middle of January for a week and in KL the following Monday for business. This gives me a weekend (Fri.-sun) to indulge.

The reason for posting this to the AC forum is because AC has been on my bucket list for a very long time. However, reading the posts over the past several months has gotten me very disillusioned. I'm now questioning whether I might be better served (pun intended) heading to Makati (done the EDSA, LA Cafe run before with much success), Pattaya, Macau, Bali, or Singapore instead. Or perhaps even stay in HK or head over to KL a few days early.

Most importantly, I don't want to waste half my weekend traveling and the other half with a hit or miss experience (fwiw, am Hispanic / American).

Welcome your thoughts!

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1817288]
i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,

thoughts guys ???[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1817336]

I don't know if AC is actually #1 in this as I don't have other comparables.

I would further say most Johns paying for it aren't looking for GFE.

Other thoughts guys?[/QUOTE]I should mention that I spend almost all my time with dating site girls, but use bargirls as a backup, when on the road, or entertaining out-of-town visitors. Dating site girls surpass everyone.

The remainder of my comment is about real working girls, bar girls, juicy girls, whatever you want to call them.

In Korea, Japan, Singabore and HK (non Filipino) it's strictly business. Granted, there are gems, but for the most part it's fuck and depart. I found one won't get anything close to a GFE; by GFE I mean friendly, affectionate, very pleasant to be with, fun loving, kissable, and little to no complaining.

Years ago I preferred Thailand to the Philippines because I found the Thai girls a bit more attractive, as GFE as Pinays, and since the English was usually poorer I was less likely to hear stories of woe and misfortune. Today I feel Thais are now less affectionate than Pinays; in all hospitality sectors it seems the Thais have become less welcoming to foreigners. I think they've grown weary of us.

Vietnamese are very good looking to my eye and decent GFE, though they're aggressive. Cambodians (Khmer) are less attractive than Thais, were so-so GFE, and also had an aversion to sucking dick. Poor English, too. Vietnamese in Cambodia are good looking but haughty, did suck dick, and low GFE.

I also do not take the same working girl for extended periods - no more than 2 days - because I'd get bored with them and I like variety. For those inclined to partner up with a girl for a while I think rapport counts for a lot. A so-so fuck with a great attitude and an eagerness to learn and please is a winner in my book. It takes a lot for me to overlook a shitty personality if I have to spend more than a few hours with a person. A great looking starfish does nothing for me.

I've seen two good friends absolutely lose their minds by becoming bewitched by individual AC bargirls. They were utterly obsessed, couldn't spend moments apart, and considered leaving their wives - these were men in their mid-30s. They even brought the girls back to Manila with them for their final day before flying out from NAIA. Puddles of tears from both the girl and the bloke on the terminal floor.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1817336]What's not to understand? Most guys here would say you are already paying for GFE with your GF. You are paying for it one way or another.[/QUOTE]This makes a great point. I think almost all of us would agree with this (paying for it one way or the other). However, while most all of us mongers would probably agree with this, there are quite a few non-mongers that either have never contemplated this, or mouth the words and then argue against it. I have had more than one married buddy (or divorced) who were stuck in terrible marriages (sexless), who ponied-up large dollars to keep their sexless wives happy (both domestic and foreign wives). Following their divorce, and then in the poor house, they don't see what has really happened: They have paid large dollars to not have sex (or have a wife who holds sex in exchange for things, ie living room furniture), while I am paying less to have a lot of sex. Jesus. They often times draw a sharp demarcation: "Your girl is a hooker Westy, even if you are not paying her directly. You buy her stuff. My woman was my wife. There's a difference". [B][I]Really! I am not convinced![/I][/B].

If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1817385]In Korea, Japan, Singabore and HK (non Filipino) it's strictly business. Granted, there are gems, but for the most part it's fuck and depart. I found one won't get anything close to a GFE; by GFE I mean friendly, affectionate, very pleasant to be with, fun loving, kissable, and little to no complaining..[/QUOTE]South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore are what we call the (Asian Tigers), These are very rich countries with a High GDP and a High Standard of Living. You will not get GFE because most girls do not care to leave there home country. In The Philippines The Girls Are willing to offer more GFE because they hope that you will fall in love and hopefully want to marry them and Take them to America / Europe. In a Place like Japan for example its strictly business and its all about money because they don't care to leave Japan. Just like when you get escorts in the USA or Europe You will not get GFE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1817443]If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?[/QUOTE]Your question reaches outside the AC thread so even if I have no biz in AC I am able to answer it me thinks. I have a great GF back home provide we with all the sex I can handle. What she can not provide is the variety of pussy I need. I am a selfpromoted sexaddict and can not handle the same pussy over an extented period of time hence all the girls and change of pukie I am into. After my sprees in Makati or in other parts of the world, returning home to GF's pussy is like starting all over again (ie new pukie) which keeps me happy for a week or two. Its not like I would die without sex a day but its sure is a moodbraker. This year I habe never stayed home more than 3 weeks in a row so its been a good year and I even made it into phils 16 times (3 to 10 days stays).

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1817443]If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?[/QUOTE]Thanks Dg for your reply, I will explain a bit.

The need for paying for sex with a girl that is not my long term girlfriend is just me being selfish, wanting the feel and excitement of the chase and some strange pussy.its not that my girlfriend does not supply me with lots of pussy but just like eating your favourite meal every night for months on end something different is a welcome delight,

Very hard for me to get away with here in thailand without my girlfriend finding out hence on my many buisiness trips to the pi I indulge in my fantasies,its just pure selfish sex for me,nothing more,i know i am paying for that pros time,without the money she would not be there with me,in fact she probably would not even say hello to me if i was not paying her,

As far as guys pay for it one way or the other, it is certainly not true in my relationship, my girlfriend is a professional very well educated,beautiful thai girl with her own company who earns more money per month than myself and needs no funds from me, we both work, we both share living expenses, we both treat each other to meals. Days out and we both buy the other the occasional gifts, I spend the same as her per month roughly and vice versa.

I do fully accept that many good girls, wives expect the guy to always pay just like a prostitute does and many a guy has been taken to the cleaners in divorce from good and bad girls, it just has not happened to me, when I date I date girls who can take care of themselves, when I want some quick fun I pay a prostitute, as I say I do not confuse the two, my girlfriend is for the I love you and cuddling up at night because she means it, my prostitutes are for sex and pure fun, nothing more.

Not trying to be smart or say hey look at me, just trying to be honest, i hope no members take offence.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1817444]Sout Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore are what we call the (Asian Tigers), These are very rich countries with a High GDP and a High Standard of Living. You will not get GFE because most girls do not care to leave there home country.[/QUOTE]This may be true in their home country, but not the case elsewhere. I live in the US and I have met many Korean working girls. They give some of the best GFE and it is easy to connect with them. I have been doing this for 8+ years, and just early this year, I visited a working girl in Seoul. I spent 4 days of bliss with her. She was also my tour guide there, having done the same for her here in the US. Moreover, I have an open invitation to visit Busan from another working girl. I may take her on it once the weather is a bit warmer.

[QUOTE=Mduga;1817355]
I will be in HKG in the middle of January for a week and in KL the following Monday for business. This gives me a weekend (Fri.-sun) to indulge.

The reason for posting this to the AC forum is because AC has been on my bucket list for a very long time. However, reading the posts over the past several months has gotten me very disillusioned. I'm now questioning whether I might be better served (pun intended) heading to Makati (done the EDSA, LA Cafe run before with much success), Pattaya, Macau, Bali, or Singapore instead. Or perhaps even stay in HK or head over to KL a few days early.

Most importantly, I don't want to waste half my weekend traveling and the other half with a hit or miss experience (fwiw, am Hispanic / American).

Welcome your thoughts![/QUOTE]Firstly, I think your arrival time on Friday, which is not mentioned, ought to be considered. If it's the morning then your transportation to AC is less a hassle than a Fri evening rush hour. You might not be hitting bars until late night. Of course your departing flight from Manila ought to be considered. Traffic on Sunday isn't bad, but if you need to leave early Sunday morning to catch your flight that cuts into your fun time.

If it's late Friday arrival and early Sunday departure I'd certainly stick in Manila.

Next, how many girls do you want to hook up with? In Manila you have 24hr LA, but from sunrise to 11 am there are just a handful of girls. You have afternoon options in Burgos and LA starts to fill in the afternoon, especially on weekends. In AC you have a lot more choice for morning and afternoon, and if you quickly join DIA and limit your search to AC you open up another possibility.

Your best option is to fly into Clark rather than NAIA, especially if you can book an outbound flight late Sunday night or early Monday morning. If that's not in the cards then it comes down to hours. If you have 48 hours [B]in AC[/B], say from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, then it's worth the effort.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1817443]If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?[/QUOTE]Variety. Hooking up with a new girl is more exciting. It's the charge of the unknown, the potential. I find it electrifying. Perhaps the GF isn't amenable to certain activities. I love lasagna, but no matter how delicious it is, and even when cooked in new ways, I don't want to eat it everyday. And lasagna won't let me fuck its ass. I love rugby, but rugby isn't going to lick my cum off my stomach and chest and roll it around in its mouth. You wouldn't dare even ask rugby to do that.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1817572]And lasagna won't let me fuck its ass. I love rugby, but rugby isn't going to lick my cum off my stomach and chest and roll it around in its mouth. You wouldn't dare even ask rugby to do that.[/QUOTE]Actually that is how I fell in love with lasagna and rugby in the first place. Otherwise it would have been just like hot dogs and baseball to me and would never have become my favorites.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1817385]I should mention that I spend almost all my time with dating site girls, but use bargirls as a backup, when on the road, or entertaining out-of-town visitors. Dating site girls surpass everyone.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. They are the best.

But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.

Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1816793]You pay one big bar fine to the bar for however many days you want to take the girl. Out. I am here now and doing that now, took a girl from Crystal Palace for ten days. Paid one large sum for all of the days up front to the bar.

Chris[/QUOTE]Amazing. Last time I was there, 4 years ago, my buddy and I both barfined girls one night, had a pow wow the next morning and asked them to stay with us for the next three days. Both of them went back to the bar around noon, came back later and said they were ours for the time we wanted, no discussion of money. When we left for the airport we took care of them and that was it. It was awesome actually. Either things have changed drastically or your game is weak, or both.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1817797]Absolutely. They are the best.

But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.

Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.[/QUOTE]Yeah dating sites are only good if you plan to stay in Angeles City for 1-2 Months or live there. If your there for a week or 2 its not worth it. Too much flakyness and its just a waste of time. I don't mind spending the 1500-2000 pesos bar fine. Save me a lot of time.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1817797]Absolutely. They are the best.

But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.

Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.[/QUOTE]I highly disagree in your last two paragraphs. But again people can have different view but this is in my book very far from the truth. No trouble lining up 3,4 or 5 gurls in one day if I need to. Not now or from 10+ years experience using them. Todays fake FB works a bit the same and even better. No big cost involved if you don't want to.
But ofcourse i dont have experience with datingsitegirls from AC so if they are very different from datingsites elsewhere i rest my case but i highly doubt it..

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1817814]Yeah dating sites are only good if you plan to stay in Angeles City for 1-2 Months or live there. If your there for a week or 2 its not worth it. Too much flakyness and its just a waste of time. I don't mind spending the 1500-2000 pesos bar fine. Save me a lot of time.[/QUOTE]Datingsites can be used with great success for 3 to 10 days stays as well.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1817568]Firstly, I think your arrival time on Friday, which is not mentioned, ought to be considered. If it's the morning then your transportation to AC is less a hassle than a Fri evening rush hour. You might not be hitting bars until late night. Of course your departing flight from Manila ought to be considered. Traffic on Sunday isn't bad, but if you need to leave early Sunday morning to catch your flight that cuts into your fun time.

If it's late Friday arrival and early Sunday departure I'd certainly stick in Manila.

Next, how many girls do you want to hook up with? In Manila you have 24hr LA, but from sunrise to 11 am there are just a handful of girls. You have afternoon options in Burgos and LA starts to fill in the afternoon, especially on weekends. In AC you have a lot more choice for morning and afternoon, and if you quickly join DIA and limit your search to AC you open up another possibility.

Your best option is to fly into Clark rather than NAIA, especially if you can book an outbound flight late Sunday night or early Monday morning. If that's not in the cards then it comes down to hours. If you have 48 hours [B]in AC[/B], say from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, then it's worth the effort.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply!

Unfortunately the earliest I can probably leave is afternoon on Friday. And I absolutely need to be in KL, before 8 am Monday. The flights options in and out of Clark (from Hong Kong) are limited at best. So would likely need to fly into Manila landing around 9 pm and then cab it to AC. Hopefully the traffic has wound down by then. I could take a nonstop from AC to KL Sunday evening.

I would consider 2 girls / day a success. But for the right girl, would also be content with barfining her for the entire weekend.

I guess I'm a bit disillusioned with the last few months of posts here and am wondering if my time and $ would be better spent in wan chai, Manila or heading to KL directly or even Pattaya. But then I recall the bucket list and think. How bad could AC have gotten to pass it up for HK, or KL.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1817797]But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.

Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.[/QUOTE]Before I get into the meat of my comment I want to make sure you understand that the majority of my previous comment covered meeting working girls at their place of work, such as a bar, and the GFE. It certainly wasn't "go to AC and use dating sites exclusively". If that was your take away then our wires got crossed.

Now, on to your comment. In my experience over several years I find the gist of your comment to be untrue, but not a lie. Just a different experience. Since my truth and your truth can be different the cost and ease of meeting dating site girls is debatable. Neither your point nor mine is inarguable.

At first I followed convention and assumed that I'd have to spend a while building the relationship, trust, and rapport, what I understand you to mean by "breaking in the girl". I used a "safe" profile on dating sites talking about meeting for coffee, etc. Conventional. Sure, plenty of women are amenable to that. I was drinking coffee here, there and everywhere. Good thing coffee is a stimulant because dashing to and fro was exhausting. But leaving my condo I was going to meet an "potential", i.e. I'd have to spend my time with her working to entice her to come back to my place. Conventional. Just like dating in the west. There had to be a better way.

What triggered my flip was taking my craiglist's advert, which worked quite well, and using it on dating sites. It was an experiment, and I didn't think it would prove successful. But it was a low-risk experiment; it it blew up in my face I could always go back to my let's-have-coffee-and-a-chat approach, couldn't I?

Two things happened. I received many fewer messages and replies from women. No surprises there. But a good thing happened, too. Of those who still contact me most read the profile, understand it is about sex, and are happy to participate. Yes, some didn't read the profile, so in everyone one of my replies I always verify they understand. "Yes, that's why I messaged you," sums up the girls' replies. In a nutshell I stopped wasting time with everybody and spend my time and effort with fewer women, but they were the women I want to meet. They're looking for sex too. A targeted approach.

Many are quite happy to come over to my condo and have sex on the first meeting. Some require more messages, so they are on-going projects. I don't think it takes a lot of dexterity to meet those who want to fuck immediately whilst at the same time "breaking in" those who need more pre-meeting conversation. I can juggle both. (Many of my comments in 2011 and 2012 cover this in depth.).

As for cost, both financial and physical, I spend much less money and effort having girls come to my place than me running around.

I would never advise one to disregard dating sites entirely, even in AC. From the comfort and convenience of your bed, beside the swimming pool, or even in the gym you can expand your options. It is a good way to fill in available free-to-fuck time, such as the morning and early afternoon.

I wouldn't consider myself an iconoclast, so if you think I'm attacking a cherished belief please be assured I am not. In AC, dating sites may be used in addition to and not in lieu of the bars.

(After posting this I see how long it is. Apologies to those who don't like to read.)

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1817288]I have over the years heard many guys on many angeles based boards claim that angeles city is the number 1 destination for GFE.

I have often wondered how this works and why guys believe its only alive and well in angeles or why people feel they need to seek it out.

I have always been of the thought that paying a prostitute to say the correct things, cater to a punters ego. Loneliness, lack of self esteem with terms like honey your so handsome, honey your so young looking, honey your not fat, honey your cock is so big, honey nobody made me cum as much as you etc etc was just that, paying a prostitute by the hour to basically lie to ones self.

its all just a deceipt, a game payed for by hard cash, a game that can be repeated through out asia not only angeles IMHO, all it takes is hard cash.

i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,

thoughts guys ???[/QUOTE]I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. IN Thailand I have noticed short time to be more hte norm then it use to be Girls want to do multiples a night. DR and CR same thing. Find guy go to room fuck get the money and leave which is fine if that's what guys want. But in the Philippines the guys want the between session time also. Hang out. Go eat. Go bar hop. Play pool or maybe take a side trip to the beach. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1817875]I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. IN Thailand I have noticed short time to be more hte norm then it use to be Girls want to do multiples a night. DR and CR same thing. Find guy go to room fuck get the money and leave which is fine if that's what guys want. But in the Philippines the guys want the between session time also. Hang out. Go eat. Go bar hop. Play pool or maybe take a side trip to the beach. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.[/QUOTE]Plus you have to understand that the girls in the Philippines speak English, so they can more bond with you, because at least you can have a conservation on a human level when your in the room.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1817875]I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy. Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.[/QUOTE]The 'experience' of a lonely thing that just wants someone to be nice to him. Any place where the people are so impoverished they will do anything to survive is a good place where that 'experience' can be procured for cash.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1817896]The 'experience' of a lonely thing that just wants someone to be nice to him. Any place where the people are so impoverished they will do anything to survive is a good place where that 'experience' can be procured for cash.[/QUOTE]Have to agree, any place where girls are shit poor would be a good place to get exactly what ever one is looking for.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1817875]I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. IN Thailand I have noticed short time to be more hte norm then it use to be Girls want to do multiples a night. DR and CR same thing. Find guy go to room fuck get the money and leave which is fine if that's what guys want. But in the Philippines the guys want the between session time also. Hang out. Go eat. Go bar hop. Play pool or maybe take a side trip to the beach. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.[/QUOTE]Not so sure sl.

Was out today in bangkok and tonight in pattaya and must have seen hundreds if not thousands of tourists out holding hands with thai girls, in the restaurants eating, in the mall, having ice cream, in the cinema, funny, most guys had a very big grin on their faces too.

As I say, pay enough cash and most poor girls the world over are willing to play pretend girlfriend to the lonely.



As far as the guys saying english is spoken in the phills, I agree the level of english is probably the best of asia,but still not good,and what exactly is there to discuss with a teenage bar girl that grew up in the outback, living in a hut with no tv, no access to books, newspapers or a school.

Maybe some are willing to discuss with them how to best shit in a hole in the ground,how to get the funds to send to her parents to replace the dead buffalo or where the funds might come from to replace that leaking roof on the parents hut,

sorry guys I am not buying your arguments, more effort please LOL.

[QUOTE=Mduga;1817833]Thanks for your reply!

So would likely need to fly into Manila landing around 9 pm and then cab it to AC. Hopefully the traffic has wound down by then. I could take a nonstop from AC to KL Sunday evening.

I would consider 2 girls / day a success. But for the right girl, would also be content with barfining her for the entire weekend.

I guess I'm a bit disillusioned with the last few months of posts here and am wondering if my time and $ would be better spent in wan chai, Manila or heading to KL directly or even Pattaya. But then I recall the bucket list and think. How bad could AC have gotten to pass it up for HK, or KL.[/QUOTE]You're welcome.

After clearing immigration and customs, change money if needed, and transit to AC you're looking at midnight arrival - 9-10 pm traffic on a Friday night is often still heavy-ish, but it's no longer the rainy season so that's in your favour. Check in hotel, freshen up, and be at the bars by 1 am to start trawling. What remains? Let's say you get a so-so one and have your fun with her. You have Saturday afternoon to pick a decent short time, then get rid of her to hit the bars at 7-8 pm to find an exceptional one. If you find her try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart. If you don't a great one pick up a so-so one for a ST and then return again a few hours later to try your luck again. Try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart.

If you stay in Manila you can be in your hotel by 10 pm. Hit EDSA, Havana or Burgos by 11 pm. If you're really keen after you're done with her go to LA. Saturday afternoon visit Burgos for a ST pickup. Saturday night your choice of Burgos or EDSA for 7-8 pm; Havana isn't worth going to until after 10 pm. Sunday late morning / early afternoon check out of your hotel, go to LA for a last pick up to be done at a hot sheet hotel.

In AC's favour, you have thousands of girls there and they just spent a lot of money during Christmas. Chris Long's FR's are reporting "dimes", which I reckon means 10's. Against AC's favour, the top ones may have received a lot of Christmas money from sponsors and you are in peak tourist season. Of course this is the case for Thailand too.

If you attach a lot of significance to the bucket list then follow your ambition. If you are certain you can swing a less rushed AC trip in the near future then postpone.

[QUOTE=Mduga;1817833]Thanks for your reply!

Unfortunately the earliest I can probably leave is afternoon on Friday. And I absolutely need to be in KL, before 8 am Monday. I would consider 2 girls / day a success. But for the right girl, would also be content with barfining her for the entire weekend.

I guess I'm a bit disillusioned with the last few months of posts here and am wondering if my time and $ would be better spent in wan chai, Manila or heading to KL directly or even Pattaya. But then I recall the bucket list and think. How bad could AC have gotten to pass it up for HK, or KL.[/QUOTE]First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.

Second: Flying into Manila on a Friday night around 9 pm and then cabbing it to AC IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! THE TRAFFIC WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANS! It could take up to two hours just to get out of Metro Manila. On two different Friday night arrivals in Manila, it took me over an hour just to drive to Makati! But all is not lost. Philippine Airlines has flights arriving in Manila from HKG at 10 am, 1:30 pm, and 3:35 pm. These flights would give you the necessary time needed to enjoy AC for all its worth on Friday night. But if you can't book these flights, I would strongly recommend staying in Makati and having a great weekend in Manila. I actually prefer Manila over AC. AC is cheaper. That is its only advantage over Manila. Manila has better girls, better hotels, better restaurants.

Third: Cebu Pacific has a flight from HKG arriving in AC at 11:45 am Friday morning. If you can't make this flight or the early afternoon Manila flight then drop your AC plans for another time. It just won't be worth the trouble and limited time you will have.

Lastly: getting out of AC, Manila, Macau or HKG is no problem. Take a Sunday night non stop flight from any of these locations to KL.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1817896]The 'experience' of a lonely thing that just wants someone to be nice to him. Any place where the people are so impoverished they will do anything to survive is a good place where that 'experience' can be procured for cash.[/QUOTE]Good insight, and the' truth. Hope guys do not kid themselves its something else, LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1818128]First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.

Second: Flying into Manila on a Friday night around 9 pm and then cabbing it to AC IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! THE TRAFFIC WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANS! It could take up to two hours just to get out of Metro Manila. On two different Friday night arrivals in Manila, it took me over an hour just to drive to Makati! But all is not lost. Philippine Airlines has flights arriving in Manila from HKG at 10 am, 1:30 pm, and 3:35 pm. These flights would give you the necessary time needed to enjoy AC for all its worth on Friday night. But if you can't book these flights, I would strongly recommend staying in Makati and having a great weekend in Manila. I actually prefer Manila over AC..[/QUOTE]Thank you as well!

With the most aggressive flight selection, I might be able to swing a 2:30 HKG departure / 4:40 pm NAIA arrival on Friday (Cathay) and a 8:45 pm departure from NAIA to KL on Sunday. Would leaving AC by 4 pm be sufficient to make the 8:45 pm flight from Manila?

Unfortunately since a weekend is likely the most I'll ever be able to swing. Am beginning to lean towards doing the AC run.

Pretty good info to Mduga, who apparently hasn't twenty dollars for membership.

Its Christmas. Thought I'd help out Westie who usually has to remind folks about putting in, LOL.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1818113]You're welcome.

After clearing immigration and customs, change money if needed, and transit to AC you're looking at midnight arrival - 9-10 pm traffic on a Friday night is often still heavy-ish, but it's no longer the rainy season so that's in your favour. Check in hotel, freshen up, and be at the bars by 1 am to start trawling. What remains? Let's say you get a so-so one and have your fun with her. You have Saturday afternoon to pick a decent short time, then get rid of her to hit the bars at 7-8 pm to find an exceptional one. If you find her try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart. If you don't a great one pick up a so-so one for a ST and then return again a few hours later to try your luck again. Try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart.

If you stay in Manila you can be in your hotel by 10 pm. Hit EDSA, Havana or Burgos by 11 pm. If you're really keen after you're done with her go to LA. Saturday afternoon visit Burgos for a ST pickup. Saturday night your choice of Burgos or EDSA for 7-8 pm; Havana isn't worth going to until after 10 pm. Sunday late morning / early afternoon check out of your hotel, go to LA for a last pick up to be done at a hot sheet hotel.

In AC's favour, you have thousands of girls there and they just spent a lot of money during Christmas. Chris Long's FR's are reporting "dimes", which I reckon means 10's. Against AC's favour, the top ones may have received a lot of Christmas money from sponsors and you are in peak tourist season. Of course this is the case for Thailand too.

If you attach a lot of significance to the bucket list then follow your ambition. If you are certain you can swing a less rushed AC trip in the near future then postpone.[/QUOTE]The Chris Long posts are very interesting indeed. Lhexi may be worth looking up.

With regards to AC accommodations, ABC appears to have served many well?

Separate question. It seems like there are a few different pool parties on Saturday. Is Scorebirds the recommended choice for that?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1818128]First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.

Second: Flying into Manila on a Friday night around 9 pm and then cabbing it to AC IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! THE TRAFFIC WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANS! It could take up to two hours just to get out of Metro Manila. On two different Friday night arrivals in Manila, it took me over an hour just to drive to Makati! But all is not lost. Philippine Airlines has flights arriving in Manila from HKG at 10 am, 1:30 pm, and 3:35 pm. These flights would give you the necessary time needed to enjoy AC for all its worth on Friday night. But if you can't book these flights, I would strongly recommend staying in Makati and having a great weekend in Manila. I actually prefer Manila over AC. AC is cheaper. That is its only advantage over Manila. Manila has better girls, better hotels, better restaurants.

Third: Cebu Pacific has a flight from HKG arriving in AC at 11:45 am Friday morning. If you can't make this flight or the early afternoon Manila flight then drop your AC plans for another time. It just won't be worth the trouble and limited time you will have.

Lastly: getting out of AC, Manila, Macau or HKG is no problem. Take a Sunday night non stop flight from any of these locations to KL.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for this! Exactly what I need for planning my next trips.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1818133]Pretty good info to Mduga, who apparently hasn't twenty dollars for membership.

Its Christmas. Thought I'd help out Westie who usually has to remind folks about putting in, LOL.[/QUOTE]But he is a long time poster under a different handle but did not say what the old handle was and if so would know about the subscription.

And if he did a RTFF and was a long time poster he was see the flaws in his FR that I and others can surely see as well.

Thanks for PM,

Sxxxx

[QUOTE=Mduga;1818132]With the most aggressive flight selection, I might be able to swing a 2:30 HKG departure / 4:40 pm NAIA arrival on Friday (Cathay) and a 8:45 pm departure from NAIA to KL on Sunday. Would leaving AC by 4 pm be sufficient to make the 8:45 pm flight from Manila?.[/QUOTE]Arriving at 440 pm on a Friday you will hit an enormous amount of traffic. I'd be surprised if you check into your hotel much before 10 pm. But that still leaves you the rest of the night to get your party on. I would definitely leave way before 4 pm for your Sunday flight. The lines at the airport can be long as well.

I've stayed at the ABC and enjoyed it a lot particularly one of the suites with a Jacuzzi, fairly expensive but I think worth it.

Scoreboards is the best pool party IMO.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1817869]
What triggered my flip was taking my craiglist's advert, which worked quite well, and using it on dating sites. It was an experiment, and I didn't think it would prove successful. But it was a low-risk experiment; it it blew up in my face I could always go back to my let's-have-coffee-and-a-chat approach, couldn't I?

Two things happened. I received many fewer messages and replies from women. No surprises there. But a good thing happened, too. Of those who still contact me most read the profile, understand it is about sex, and are happy to participate[/QUOTE]What was you craigslist advert?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1818128]First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.[/QUOTE]I like to tell you what is coming on Macau. Due to Sheldon Adelson "Sands" involvement in US Presidential elections, his Macau operations came under scrutiny and allowing Chinese organized crime syndicates running operations on his properties are under scrutiny. You may see most of the so called parlors may be closed very soon.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1818382]I like to tell you what is coming on Macau. Due to Sheldon Adelson "Sands" involvement in US Presidential elections, his Macau operations came under scrutiny and allowing Chinese organized crime syndicates running operations on his properties are under scrutiny. You may see most of the so called parlors maybe closed very soon.[/QUOTE]All the more reason to go to Macau now while the good times last.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1818130]Good insight, and the' truth. Hope guys do not kid themselves its something else, LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes. It would be a mistake to think the poverty stricken Filipinos are being genuinely nice to foreigners. There are more than a few down and out stranded foreigners in cities across the Philippines who found out Filipino niceness comes to an end when the foreigner goes to the ATM and gets his cash withdrawal denied due to insufficient funds. In fact, the Bureau of Immigration cannot even be bothered to round these poor souls up and hold them at Bicutan Detention Center pending deportation as there is no money in detaining overstayed foreigners who are now vagrants in the Philippines.

On Christmas Day, I stopped at a bakery on a street corner to buy some Filipino treats. As usual, they did not have change for my crisp 100 peso bill. I guess they do not get many high-rollers at these proletarian establishments. So, I dug into my pockets to scrounge up the grand sum of 9 pesos though it would be beneath the dignity of most high-rollers to be forced to count coins. All of a sudden, there are shouts of "Merry Christmas" and outstretched palms are jammed in my face from all directions inside the bakery. The female teenage beggars were aggressive and demanding to be given money before I even paid for my baked goods. The bakeshop attendant was quite amused by this and laughing. I glower at the mendicants, quickly count out 9 pesos, hand it to laughing hyena behind the counter and make my escape. A stream of verbal abuse follow me out the bakery and across the street. Have a Merry Christmas indeed or more like, fuck you Mr. Foreigner and give us your money because it is Christmas Day.

Filipino beggars believe they have a right to the foreigner's money. They do not ask. They demand! They prepare their insults in advance as they feel righteous in verbally abusing foreigners cheeky enough to refuse them money or, worse yet, give them a sum of money less than what the beggar feels is appropriate for an asshole foreigner. I find this attitude amusing in a country where the foreigner is always wrong and believed to have no rights whatsoever. To them a foreigner is nothing yet he is expected to give generously to local beggars when their fellow Filipinos do not even acknowledge their existence and give them nothing.

These are moments when reality pierces the thin veneer of fake Filipino niceness. Rather than being dismissed as occasional instances of nastiness they should be taken as gentle reminders not to get too lost in the fantasy created while poking that excellent Christmas beaver. It ends when you stop paying.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1818015]Not so sure sl.

Was out today in bangkok and tonight in pattaya and must have seen hundreds if not thousands of tourists out holding hands with thai girls, in the restaurants eating, in the mall, having ice cream, in the cinema, funny, most guys had a very big grin on their faces too.

As I say, pay enough cash and most poor girls the world over are willing to play pretend girlfriend to the lonely.



As far as the guys saying english is spoken in the phills, I agree the level of english is probably the best of asia,but still not good,and what exactly is there to discuss with a teenage bar girl that grew up in the outback, living in a hut with no tv, no access to books, newspapers or a school.

Maybe some are willing to discuss with them how to best shit in a hole in the ground,how to get the funds to send to her parents to replace the dead buffalo or where the funds might come from to replace that leaking roof on the parents hut,

sorry guys I am not buying your arguments, more effort please LOL.[/QUOTE]Those discussions about how best to shit in a hole in the ground can sometimes prove to be entertaining. Some are wonderful storytellers and you may hear tales of how some family member was squatting over a dark hole late at night only to be: bitten on the balls by a venomous snake; stung in the asshole by venomous insects; or bitten on the ass by a rabid rodent. Take a close look at provincial Filipino's ass and you may be amazed by the number of scars and marks on it.

Not all of them shit in a hole in the ground. Some are from more creative households where the residence is built on stilts along the river. In these cases the hole is in the floor of the house. When they shit the projectile free falls for many feet making a spectacular splash in the river below.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1818389]All the more reason to go to Macau now while the good times last.[/QUOTE]Totally agree Natty, but we need to note from your previous post [I]"Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and [b]money is no object[/b]."[/I].

Actually, the main reason for the decline in Macao's fortunes is the Bun Emperor's continued '3 vices' crackdown (since 2013) aimed squarely at his political opponents and appointees who have benefited to the tune of billions of dollars from the Toad Emperor's corrupt practices. One recently 'detained' army official had family property and assets seized to the value of USD37 billion!

Corrupt officials are too scared to go to Macau and splurge millions of yuan, or try and launder money. Eventually, Macau will turn into a resort area full of wholesome family values and entertainment.

Ikksman.

P.S. The 3 vices are prostitution, gambling and drugs.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1817810]Amazing. ... 4 years ago, my buddy and I both barfined girls one night ... and asked them to stay with us for the next three days. Both of them went back to the bar around noon, came back later and said they were ours for the time we wanted, no discussion of money. When we left for the airport we took care of them and that was it. It was awesome actually ... [/QUOTE]Indeed amazing, but I guess these 'good old days' are irrevocably over now, no? Or had anybody got a similar experience with steady barfine in 2015? Just wondering!

Gentlemen, I wish all of you a very happy and successful new year!

Cheers!

Hesekiels.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels;1818699]Indeed amazing, but I guess these 'good old days' are irrevocably over now, no? Or had anybody got a similar experience with steady barfine in 2015? Just wondering!

Gentlemen, I wish all of you a very happy and successful new year!

Cheers!

Hesekiels.[/QUOTE]The thing is now the girls have knowledge and power. The power to say no and the knowledge the mamasan or BM can't make them due to the Raids and HT laws. If a girl makes a complaint to PNP, the bar will be raided. Also salaries for the Top tier Girls, Spotlight and Cultural dancers is 300 p a day. Add in 2 to 4 DLD a day at 50 p commission a drink. Thats another 100 to 200 p a day. That is above avg wage in the PI with salary & drinks alone. So only the ambitious girls BF regularly and the other girls only when and with whom they want. That is what makes AC a different type of location. Money alone is not guarantee of success, Personality can be important.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1818558]Filipino beggars believe they have a right to the foreigner's money. They do not ask. They demand! They prepare their insults in advance as they feel righteous in verbally abusing foreigners cheeky enough to refuse them money or, worse yet, give them a sum of money less than what the beggar feels is appropriate for an asshole foreigner. I find this attitude amusing in a country where the foreigner is always wrong and believed to have no rights whatsoever. To them a foreigner is nothing yet he is expected to give generously to local beggars when their fellow Filipinos do not even acknowledge their existence and give them nothing.[/QUOTE]I experienced this to when I ventured online to try and snag some tail in advance of my trip. The girl constantly begged for money. She even got mad when I sent a picture of me holding a Chinese baozi. Really? Baozi? It is just dough with a little bit of meat inside. LOL! Once she realized there would be no money from me, she hurled some vicious racial insults at me. I ended up having to block her on a few different sites. We are the bad guys because we're foreigners! These are some crazy people, I tell you!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1818558]Yes. It would be a mistake to think the poverty stricken Filipinos are being genuinely nice to foreigners. There are more than a few down and out stranded foreigners in cities across the Philippines who found out Filipino niceness comes to an end when the foreigner goes to the ATM and gets his cash withdrawal denied due to insufficient funds. In fact, the Bureau of Immigration cannot even be bothered to round these poor souls up and hold them at Bicutan Detention Center pending deportation as there is no money in detaining overstayed foreigners who are now vagrants in the Philippines.


These are moments when reality pierces the thin veneer of fake Filipino niceness. Rather than being dismissed as occasional instances of nastiness they should be taken as gentle reminders not to get too lost in the fantasy created while poking that excellent Christmas beaver. It ends when you stop paying.[/QUOTE]I was in Manila two weeks ago and I was going to stay until 27th of Dec. However, I realized that everyone was expecting for some kind of a present or pay for the Christmas. I bailed out 2 weeks earlier. I made my decision to stay away from Philippines during the holidays seasons.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1818560] ............................Not all of them shit in a hole in the ground. Some are from more creative households where the residence is built on stilts along the river. In these cases the hole is in the floor of the house. When they shit the projectile free falls for many feet making a spectacular splash in the river below.[/QUOTE]Yes, and I began staying in a native hut, another country, similar culture, time before, when young. Same. I got a bit uneasy when my cup of tea was made from the same water (hundreds of neighboring native huts with same convenient sewerage system), my clothes washed for me in same water, and everyone was expected to wash themselves in same water, dodging the passing turds. Didn't take long for me to move out, LOL.

And don't forget in Thailand (and maybe Phils too) no toilet paper, scraped off with right hand. Consequently wisened falangs shake Thais left hand with their left hand. Makes ya start thinking about the Cooks employed in the Restaurants, LOL. Enjoy your Christmas dinner?

[QUOTE=LaydeeLover;1818739]I experienced this to when I ventured online to try and snag some tail in advance of my trip. The girl constantly begged for money. She even got mad when I sent a picture of me holding a Chinese baozi. Really? Baozi? It is just dough with a little bit of meat inside. LOL! Once she realized there would be no money from me, she hurled some vicious racial insults at me. I ended up having to block her on a few different sites. We are the bad guys because we're foreigners! These are some crazy people, I tell you![/QUOTE]You tried to fish for free pussy and got denied. Doesn't matter if you are a foreigner, you would have or have been rejected in your home country.

I expect 2016 to be better than years before. I know the "good old days" boys won't agree. With vitamin V and 20 yo's available and a ready supply system in place I Have no need to waste my time comparing.

[QUOTE=LaydeeLover;1818739] ...............................These are some crazy people, I tell you![/QUOTE]Including maybe you too? Whats wrong with paying for services rendered? Especially to people who have next to nil chance of getting a job? We all prostitute ourselves for what we want, one way or another, at times, unless of course we are young and handsome, LOL.

First the service, then the gratuity. Simples. Long live pay for play. Down with those who want something for nothing.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1818738]The thing is now the girls have knowledge and power. The power to say no and the knowledge the mamasan or BM can't make them due to the Raids and HT laws. If a girl makes a complaint to PNP, the bar will be raided. Also salaries for the Top tier Girls, Spotlight and Cultural dancers is 300 p a day. Add in 2 to 4 DLD a day at 50 p commission a drink. Thats another 100 to 200 p a day. That is above avg wage in the PI with salary & drinks alone. So only the ambitious girls BF regularly and the other girls only when and with whom they want. That is what makes AC a different type of location. Money alone is not guarantee of success, Personality can be important.[/QUOTE]Well said, its more than greenbacks. If you have got nothing more to offer than your dick and money, you might struggle nowadays.

Crime does not seem to pay in this town if you get caught. A few days ago an off duty police officer decided to steal a motorcycle parked at Jollibee next to SM Clark. The CDC staff was paying attention and pursued the thief as he tried to get away toward the mall. When the CDC and mall security guards cornered the off duty cop he decided to pull out his weapon. This resulted in 3 shots to the face and the return of the motorcycle to its rightful owner.

In addition, a drug dealer was shot twice in the back on Malabanis street last week in broad daylight by a passing gunman riding tandem on a motorbike. Just another day in beaver town.

Thought I would try this thread.

I was curious if anyone has had the massage service offered in-house at Central Park Tower hotel? And, is it strictly legit?

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1818895]Including maybe you too? Whats wrong with paying for services rendered? Especially to people who have next to nil chance of getting a job? We all prostitute ourselves for what we want, one way or another, at times, unless of course we are young and handsome, LOL.

First the service, then the gratuity. Simples. Long live pay for play. Down with those who want something for nothing.[/QUOTE]He said the girl requested money from him online. Only a fool would send money to someone they have never met. I will tell you though these fools are out there and Filipino women seem to attract them like Sirens in the tragic Greek myth.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1818738]The thing is now the girls have knowledge and power. The power to say no and the knowledge the mamasan or BM can't make them due to the Raids and HT laws. If a girl makes a complaint to PNP, the bar will be raided. Also salaries for the Top tier Girls, Spotlight and Cultural dancers is 300 p a day. Add in 2 to 4 DLD a day at 50 p commission a drink. Thats another 100 to 200 p a day. That is above avg wage in the PI with salary & drinks alone. So only the ambitious girls BF regularly and the other girls only when and with whom they want. That is what makes AC a different type of location. Money alone is not guarantee of success, Personality can be important.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you TG, but the rates you quote are old rates.

Cultural dancers in atlantis 500 p salary per day plus free accommodation,

Commission on dld at 300 p a pop is 100-150 p to the girl depending on what type of drink she ordered, fully expect all girls to go for the higher commission drinks all of the time LOL.

Don't forget all the other commisions on offer from ball throwing, balloon popping, shoulder massage, guys throwing handfuls of cash on stage,tips etc etc.

Even a semi cute girl can earn 1000 p per night salary with commission, the top girls double that, all without fucking anyone.

dont forget most of these girls are also online with various dating apps.sites selling empty promises to the lonely for monthly cash payments,

average wage in phills for an uneducated girls is 150p, college graduate 250p per day thats if she can find any work,

its just a simple fact that cute angeles bargirls have become princesses with high earning potential while doing very little fucking if any at all

[QUOTE=Mduga;1818132]

With the most aggressive flight selection, I might be able to swing a 2:30 HKG departure / 4:40 pm NAIA arrival on Friday (Cathay)[/QUOTE]

Natty is absolutely right that traffic may destroy your plans.

You're arriving as rush hour has already started and will only get worse until 9-10 pm. (On occasion I've experienced horrific jams on the Osmena Highway at 1am.) Yes, you'll arrive in AC at a better time for picking up a girl, but your commute time from NAIA to AC will be longer, likely up to 4 hours - could be more - assuming nothing else goes awry. You're traveling approx. 100 km of which 35 km is in Pasay, Makati, and Quezon City. That's a mess.

[QUOTE=Mduga;1818132]... and a 8:45 pm departure from NAIA to KL on Sunday. Would leaving AC by 4 pm be sufficient to make the 8:45 pm flight from Manila?
[/QUOTE]Sunday traffic is the best of the week. Presuming you plan to check in 60-90 minutes before departure that allows for more than 3 hours to travel to NAIA which is plenty of time and even allows for a bit of safety margin. Make certain you know what terminal your flight is departing.

If your Sat night girl pick up doesn't pan out as hoped, an alternative is leave AC Sunday morning, arrive at LA at noon or 1 pm and find a girl, pick up a short-time room, and enjoy your time until you need to depart for NAIA. You could do the same at Burgos too.

I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".

The questions are. What can they do to him?

Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?

Thanks for any help on this.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1819005]Natty is absolutely right that traffic may destroy your plans.
but your commute time from NAIA ...traveling approx. 100 km of which 35 km is in Pasay, Makati, and Quezon City.[/QUOTE]Construction of the elevated highway getting to the airport: completion date been set? Any chance it will improve transit time.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1819018]I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".

The questions are. What can they do to him?

Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?

Thanks for any help on this.[/QUOTE]First things first, is your friend even sure the girl was pregnant to start with.

By the time lines you give the last time your friend saw this girl she was supposedly 3 months pregnant, I would be very suprised if the girl had any physical signs she was pregnant at 3 months, so nobody knows whether this girl was pregnant or even had an abortion, my gut feeling is she is just bullshitting trying to get a pay day.

the contacting doctor may not be a doctor at all,he could well be the girls pinoy husband,boyfriend etc in on the scam for a cut of cash,

If on the other hand the girl can get a dna sample from the dead baby, apply to a court for a court order to have your friend stopped, supply a dna sample and match it to your friend then he will be held liable for costs, can't see this happening somehow, as I say, most likely just a scam for money, have heard this same story many many times in the phills.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1819018]I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".

The questions are. What can they do to him?

Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?

Thanks for any help on this.[/QUOTE]What can be done to your friend legally? Nothing! He did not contract with the hospital or the doctor for any services. Also, in the Philippines hospitals and doctors just don't take a girl's word that a guy is the father of her baby just because she knows his name. Flip hospitals tend to want their money up front before providing service even for foreigners. It is odd that this girl would have been given care on her word alone that a foreigner fucked her.

Foreigners should keep this fact in mind. Hospitals in the Philippines do not allow unwed mothers of bastard children to list the name of the supposed father. The name of the father in these cases are automatically entered as unknown unless the alleged father appears in person and signs a sworn affidavit of paternity.

Your friend is being scammed for money. If he pays Doctor I-Know-People, he can expect a call from the funeral director next for burial expenses in an even greater amount. Once he is identified as an easy mark the florist will be calling him with a bill and the local lechonera will be demanding payment for all the pork, Red Horse and rice supplied for the wake.

Your friend should probably not return to the Philippines as he set himself nicely for this scam. Maybe he should consider this his free warning. The next one might cost him if he comes back for more. LOS might be safer if he can't quit the mongering itch.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1819018]I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".

The questions are. What can they do to him?

Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?

Thanks for any help on this.[/QUOTE]1. how do they know his passport number.

2. how do they get his phone number. Even if they have, he can change he number.

3. a doctor or any high contact can not do anything. For being stooped at airport the matter should reach to immigration via court or any legal entity.

4. so nothing o worry.

On a good note if he think and want to take care of baby than he can send money.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1819044]First things first, is your friend even sure the girl was pregnant to start with.

By the time lines you give the last time your friend saw this girl she was supposedly 3 months pregnant, I would be very suprised if the girl had any physical signs she was pregnant at 3 months, so nobody knows whether this girl was pregnant or even had an abortion, my gut feeling is she is just bullshitting trying to get a pay day.

the contacting doctor may not be a doctor at all,he could well be the girls pinoy husband,boyfriend etc in on the scam for a cut of cash,

If on the other hand the girl can get a dna sample from the dead baby, apply to a court for a court order to have your friend stopped, supply a dna sample and match it to your friend then he will be held liable for costs, can't see this happening somehow, as I say, most likely just a scam for money, have heard this same story many many times in the phills.[/QUOTE]All that Napa said is distinctly plausible, but it largely begs the question asked by Dg as to whether the situation could cause a problem for his friend. The answer to that question would depend on whether the so-called Doctor really does know so, e "important people" and, if so, who they are. I'd advise the friend to find out the doctor's name, find out the hospital with which he is supposedly affiliated, and try to contact the doc at his office in the hospital. If it's a scam either the doctor whose name has been stolen won't know what the hell the guy is talking about or, more likely there is no such person. In short, before coming back here I would first assure myself that this is a scam.

GE.

That is as ridiculous as it sounds. Pinoy aren't held liable for live babies, but a foreigner will be held liable for an unborn one? Think people. Like CM said the guy did not contract with the hospital for anything. Same as she went and said such and such gave me a cold, he needs to pay the bill. Well biotch we are not treating such and such, we are treating you.

As far as the doctor knowing people, even if he did do you think said people would go around flexing muscle over a lousy 8000 pesos? Just another reason not to give fly by nights your real name or take any pictures with them. And people have the nerve to call Filipinos stupid or uneducated. They may not be able to name all of Jupiter's moons, but they damn sure have enough street smarts to scam foreign marks to no end.

Thanks for all the good answers and replies. According to him, he did confirm her pregnancy with a blood test in the beginning. Whether it is his is another question.

To me, more than likely she is still pregnant and just scamming him. The big question is can he be deny entry or deny exit with a questionable bill outstanding? Looks like no without a court judgement.

Personally I carry extra SIM cards to get rid of pesky texts and callers.

Thanks again and take your breakfast sirs!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1819180]That is as ridiculous as it sounds. Pinoy aren't held liable for live babies, but a foreigner will be held liable for an unborn one? Think people. Like CM said the guy did not contract with the hospital for anything. Same as she went and said such and such gave me a cold, he needs to pay the bill. Well biotch we are not treating such and such, we are treating you.

As far as the doctor knowing people, even if he did do you think said people would go around flexing muscle over a lousy 8000 pesos? Just another reason not to give fly by nights your real name or take any pictures with them. And people have the nerve to call Filipinos stupid or uneducated. They may not be able to name all of Jupiter's moons, but they damn sure have enough street smarts to scam foreign marks to no end.[/QUOTE]I think there are professional skilled scammers with scripts that hang out at the internet shops. It reminds me years ago right after the Haiti earthquake friends of mine would get the same scripted emergency medical requests. Relentlessly they would email the dire requests. It was after comparing the sentence structure, wording, spelling and grammar that you could easily conclude they were written by a few different writers.

They were very good at it, tugging away at the heart strings.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1819044]First things first, is your friend even sure the girl was pregnant to start with.

By the time lines you give the last time your friend saw this girl she was supposedly 3 months pregnant, I would be very suprised if the girl had any physical signs she was pregnant at 3 months, so nobody knows whether this girl was pregnant or even had an abortion, my gut feeling is she is just bullshitting trying to get a pay day.

the contacting doctor may not be a doctor at all,he could well be the girls pinoy husband,boyfriend etc in on the scam for a cut of cash,

If on the other hand the girl can get a dna sample from the dead baby, apply to a court for a court order to have your friend stopped, supply a dna sample and match it to your friend then he will be held liable for costs, can't see this happening somehow, as I say, most likely just a scam for money, have heard this same story many many times in the phills.[/QUOTE]I personally think this is what's going on.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1819183]The big question is can he be deny entry or deny exit with a questionable bill outstanding? Looks like no without a court judgement.[/QUOTE]Again the bill is not questionable. He did not receive any services nor did he sign any papers saying he was liable for any bills. You can not just walk into a place and assign a random person responsibility for your bill. And even if he did, immigration is not a credit / debt enforcement agency. They have bigger fish to fry. Half the world that travels now would not be able to if it was dependant upon whether they had paid an 8000 peso debt or not.

Also a country is not going to hold you hostage if you are not in jail for criminal charges. If they do then you pay a visit to your local embassy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1819200]Again the bill is not questionable. He did not receive any services nor did he sign any papers saying he was liable for any bills. You can not just walk into a place and assign a random person responsibility for your bill. And even if he did, immigration is not a credit / debt enforcement agency. They have bigger fish to fry. Half the world that travels now would not be able to if it was dependant upon whether they had paid an 8000 peso debt or not.

Also a country is not going to hold you hostage if you are not in jail for criminal charges. If they do then you pay a visit to your local embassy.[/QUOTE]This is a scam.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1819032]Construction of the elevated highway getting to the airport: completion date been set? Any chance it will improve transit time.[/QUOTE]It was supposed to be done already, actually before APEC summit. There are two parts to the project and new projected completion is April, so likely September. It links terminals 1, 2 , 3 to the existing Skyway and to each other, so yes commute time within the short distance will decrease. For going to AC from terminal 3 it will matter little and from the other terminals it'll cut time 10-20 minutes.

The important one is Skyway project 3 that will link South Luzon Highway (aka SLEX, Osmena Highway) to North Luzon Highway - I've attached a map. Resorts World (not on map, across street from terminal 3) to Buendia can be as fast as 10 minutes using the Skyway presently. Once project 3 completes one can bypass EDSA and skip all that traffic in Pasay, Makati and QC. Est. completion date is Jan '18, so likely Jan '19.

BTW, the attached map says the transit time from Buendia to Balintawak is 15 minutes, but I don't think that's likely for a taxi without electronic toll payment system installed. There are to be several toll plazas along the route. Likely Uber cars and private hotel transport will have it installed.

Just bit the bullet and booked my flights to NAIA. Given the 6:50 pm arrival time, I am fully prepared for sitting in traffic for several hours. Hopefully I can get into AC before midnight and make the most of the evening!

Met a sweet and charming Filipino October. Among other things she told me she had a 18 months / 2 yrs old baby from a Northern European man, who had signed birth certificate as father, and has been sending P5000 per month baby maintenance since day one. Proudly showed me the photo of her chubby (well fed) daughter. That was already enough for me to decide not to bar fine the charming lady sitting next to me, LOL.

She wanted more than P5000 per month, he did not agree. She organised through a lawyer / solicitor / barrister (take your pick) that this same person be apprehended at Manila airport on arrival upcoming trip, and forced to attend court to discuss the matter. She had a copy of the papers. Well prepared. Possibly legal representative gets a cut of the increased payments, LOL. Poor lad, he didn't know he would be stopped on arrival at the Airport. Walking into an ambush. Was it you?

Your real name and nationality should be kept a secret. Admittedly, hard to do when the Hotel Front Desk insists on passport, to which they photocopy or record basic info. Does anyone have a way around that?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1819183]The big question is can he be deny entry or deny exit with a questionable bill outstanding? Looks like no without a court judgement.
[/QUOTE]Correct and unless the girl is politically connected or has the cash to pay for it she won't get a court to file charges; or "raps" as they're called. And BOI won't otherwise get involved.

The easiest way for your friend (really you?, LOL) to find out if there are any criminal / civil charges filed against him, or if he's been blacklisted, is to apply for a 59 day visa a few weeks before his next visit. The cost is minimal and whether or not he really needs it is irrelevant; it's only to find out his BOI status without drawing attention to himself by specifically asking about said charges.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1819188]I personally think this is what's going on.[/QUOTE]You can tell your friend he has nothing to worry about from the official phils unless he is wanted from the Interpol or sth(but again then he cant travel nowhere). This is simply a scam attempt and nothing else. She most likely tries this out from all her bedders from the certain timespam and who knows, it wouldn't surprise me at all, if someone pays up. I would maybe change my location on my next visit though just so he doesn't run into her as that could be stingy. Next thing i would do for keepin peace of mind was to change my number if texts or calls are to many. Others than that, nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1819308]Your real name and nationality should be kept a secret. Admittedly, hard to do when the Hotel Front Desk insists on passport, to which they photocopy or record basic info. Does anyone have a way around that?[/QUOTE]YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1819367]YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.[/QUOTE]To Mr Enternational.

I left my US passport at office in Manila I told them at Devera hotel at AC I only have my photo HKID and US driver lic, but in any hotel in Thailand or China and many other country they must have a stamp Passport with arrival card.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1819367]YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.[/QUOTE]When you 'get there' They ask for your passport, they do not ask you to fill in card or allow you to fill in card. That is Front Desk personnel job, and it avoids false information. You would have to be lucky to ask Front Desk to hand over card and fill it in for him / her. That would be an exception, not the rule. We are talking 'in general' , 'general practice' here, not exceptions. I have got that exception (filling in card for myself) at one important hotel. But at another favorite hotel in a different province they want the passport, will not hand over check in card.

"they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. "Mostly correct, but they are great paper collectors, and if a chick came to hotel with police / lawyer whatever, chances are the hotel would hand over the filed away check-in card for lawyer / police to read. They keep the records cause something might surface after tenant has left.

The hotels who do not ask for ID, are very much the exception. Mostly short time hotels.

I have got one hotel trained to let me fill in the card (with false information, LOL). Another equally important hotel to me, in another province, does not allow tenant anywhere near the check-in card, always takes yet another copy of my passport. Well trained and. Lucky I do not do anything naughty when staying at 2nd hotel, LOL.

Next time I will try: "Fuck ya, given you the info twenty times before" , LOL.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1819369]To Mr Enternational.

I left my US passport at office in Manila I told them at Devera hotel at AC I only have my photo HKID and US driver lic, but in any hotel in Thailand or China and many other country they must have a stamp Passport with arrival card.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]In Thailand it is a law that when a foreigner checks in to a hotel then they must copy the visa information and report it to immigration, so places like that you can not get away with it.

If the hotel less than 3 star (Agoda / Booking ranking), they don't bother pp copy or any thing. Just ask the payment. It happens hotels in Thailand, or Philippine or China. It is an obvious norm to keep copy evidence of visitor's either PP or ID. But underclass hotels just don't bother.

In China or Vietnam many hotels will not accept foreigners if they are not approved by the respective authority for such kind of hospitality.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1819395]In Thailand it is a law that when a foreigner checks in to a hotel then they must copy the visa information and report it to immigration, so places like that you can not get away with it.[/QUOTE]Philippines. Yes, I have been told by Front Desk in Philippines too, that it is the law to keep the passport info (which incl's visa) and must be shown if they have a visit from a government official, which would include the Police, I should think. Phils keeps passport / visa info as part of their records.

Fortunately my number 1 hotel in Phils does not have a photo copy machine, LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1819367]YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.[/QUOTE]In some countries its a legal requirement to show your passport before being "allowed " to rent a hotel room, think Thailand where they need the entry visa, Saudi and China where they definately want to see the visa and must send copy of your details to another government office, but in Philippines ther is no such law. Its same as in Hong Kong, just a normal practice, byut not a law. If someone tells you its a law, ask them to show you exactly which law. Theres no such law in Philippines. A hotel though does have the right to see ID for various purposes, including in the deadly event of a fire or other life threatening situation they might just to know the names of the people residing in that building.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1819321]The easiest way for your friend to find out if there are any criminal / civil charges filed against him, or if he's been blacklisted, is to apply for a 59 day visa a few weeks before his next visit. The cost is minimal and whether or not he really needs it is irrelevant; it's only to find out his BOI status without drawing attention to himself by specifically asking about said charges.[/QUOTE]Right Pip, that's truly a very smart technique to find out! Thanks for giving us this hint!

Cheers!

Hesekiels.

Dear All brothers.

Been a while away from the philippines. By 2016, I plan to visit Manila and this time wish to spend most of my monger time in Angeles. Want to go wild this coming trip, have been trying to surf around the Angeles city forum and gather more info.

May be some veteran over here can also give your precious guidelines too, which is a plus for me to avoid some ripping places.

I wish to take the best sexperience in this trip starting from a nice location hotels and may be find some gems from the bars or non pro by then. Perhpas may be end up with couple of nice babes joining me during the duration of my stay. Is this advisable? Or changing everyday. Perhaps?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1819773]Dear All brothers.

Been a while away from the philippines. By 2016, I plan to visit Manila and this time wish to spend most of my monger time in Angeles. Want to go wild this coming trip, have been trying to surf around the Angeles city forum and gather more info.

May be some veteran over here can also give your precious guidelines too, which is a plus for me to avoid some ripping places.

I wish to take the best sexperience in this trip starting from a nice location hotels and may be find some gems from the bars or non pro by then. Perhpas may be end up with couple of nice babes joining me during the duration of my stay. Is this advisable? Or changing everyday. Perhaps?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]By the time I finish writing about today it will have changed by tomorrow. Just like everywhere else.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1818895]Including maybe you too? Whats wrong with paying for services rendered? Especially to people who have next to nil chance of getting a job? We all prostitute ourselves for what we want, one way or another, at times, unless of course we are young and handsome, LOL.

First the service, then the gratuity. Simples. Long live pay for play. Down with those who want something for nothing.[/QUOTE]Nah, not crazy brother. I don't mind paying for services but she was a non-pro (allegedly) who got mad over a photo of a dough ball. And saying that because I'm a foreigner, I should help the less fortunate with money. I agree, but not when I have yet to meet you. That's the crazy I'm talking about. LOL!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1818797]You tried to fish for free pussy and got denied. Doesn't matter if you are a foreigner, you would have or have been rejected in your home country.[/QUOTE]Yeah we all get rejected brother. It's just a part of the game.

My second visit to AC at the end of August and beginning of September this year was a very different experience from my maiden voyage in January. True to form I got slightly inebriated on my first night. Everyone I contacted that I knew from my previous trip was either unavailable or did not answer. Staying at the Penthouse hotel made everything of interest close. It was quite late so I decided to go to High Society. Not too many girls available as it was almost closing time. Somehow, I managed to get myself a skinny tiny little spinner. She managed to accommodate my big(her words) member and I had a pretty good session with her. This was a short time session, which I did not mind, being jet lagged, drunk and all. Even though she insisted on giving me her phone number I was not interested.

After my first night with the spinner, I met an 18 year old with whom I connected through the Facebook. She showed up with three other girls ranging in age from 18 (cherry girl, according to her friends) to 21. They ate most of my chocolates before we headed out to the Ultra disco. I did not do any of the girls. Just some harmless fun at this time. I am still keeping in touch with my Facebook contact, so who knows. After the disco fun, they left and I went to Kokomos for a beer and some people watching. Again it was very late and I met one of the freelancers I got to know from my January trip and before I knew it, there were again four girls in my hotel room. Like a scene from a kinky movie, I ended up with a lactating girl, a coke head, strange mature pinay and my friend Sarah who told me where my creampie porn girl worked. Apparently, she went back to work as a bargirl. Two of the girls left and I ended up having a pretty good threesome.

One thing I have learned was that AC is a small place and that just by hanging around the same area I managed to reconnect with some of the girls whose phone numbers I have lost from my first trip including my GFE teenager and the amateur porn star. I did not shag either one of them as I spend eight of my twelve nights with one girl.

During my third night I met up again with Sarah and her cousin (not attractive at all, but according to Sarah, very good at giving head) and went to High Society where a drunk girl from Manila started to talk to me and ended up kissing me and being all over me like we knew each other for a long time. When, she asked me where I met Sarah and I told her on Fields Ave, several months ago, she told me that it was not wise to hook up with girls like that. We left High Society to check out the Voodoo bar which was packed. It was already light outside. Afterwards we headed out to my hotel where the girl turned into a super minx. Once we got in the room she pulled my pants down and started blowing me even before fully undressed and in the shower. I ended up fucking her in a cowgirl position. I was on the shower floor and she was on top of me. Kind of cramped and uncomfortable, but wow. Once we got in bed she started with sucking my toes and I received a major tongue bath before fucking her again. Prior to leaving she asked for money for school supplies (ha). I was disappointed as I thought it was a freebie, since she criticized my friend for working the streets. Gave her 1000 pesos which seemed to satisfy her but she could tell I was disappointed. She kept texting me every day for the next eight nights wanting to see me and have sex for free.

On my fourth night, I returned to Insomnia to see if my favorite teen was there. There were couple of cute dancers and some decent looking waitresses. After wasting way too many pesos, I ended up barfining a happy little Samar 21 year old with a generous rack. Learning from Master Monger I asked her if she had kids to avoid droopy boobs and stretch marks. She said no kids and I ended up with a lovely girl with sizeable chest and rock hard butt. No fat at all on this little country girl. She was superb and horny like hell. Woke me up every four hours for sex. My left foot which I injured during my first night of debauchery became infected and started to swell up. I ended up barfining this girl for a total of four straight nights. I figured I get myself a nurse with special skills. She took me to a clinic to see a doctor as my foot was getting worse and worse. I needed to get some medicine. She stayed with me for additional four nights during which time she did not ask for any money. I could not walk very much but did manage to bang this sweetie countless number of time. We also visited several nearby go go bars and she also managed to take me to a totally nude strip bar. I was the only foreigner there. This girl was really into me and even got a tattoo with my name on it. She cried on and off for almost three nights before I left. We kept in touch for almost three months, before things went south. Of course, predictably it was about money. She wanting money and me refusing to send money. I told her I was not going to sponsor her or her family. Definitely best girl friend experience (whatever different things it means to different mongers), since I was young and single.

I will be returning to AC at the end of January 2016, however, this time I plan to shag as many different girls as possible. This last visit was an excellent and very different adventure. I felt I could do no wrong during this trip. At High Society, pretty girls were giving my high fives and a girl even approached me telling me her friend wants to meet me. I could not as I was with my main girl. I felt older, and more out of shape than ever and yet the girls were super friendly. Tons of opportunities. Go figure. Who knows what experiences I will have next month. Looking forward to i

Sorry, about the long report. Pictures are of the girl I spend with eight wonderful nights.

Conquororval, thanks for your trip report.

I feel it only responsible to point out to you that having a 17 year old girl in your company and more likely in your room is a stupid dangerous mistake, what were you thinking.

She is a minor, even if nothing happened, you are exposing yourself to be caught up in all sorts of problems, some very serious.

Maybe google some of the phills laws that cover foreigners being in the company of minors will shock you into being more responsible in future.

Conquerorval,

Thanks for the private pm and the changes you have made to your report.

Getting ready to bring the New Year in with a bang Filipino style! I have procured the biggest most powerful firecrackers from dodgy pyrotechnic vendors and duct taped them into bundles of four. When they go off every stray dog and yard fowl will flee the barangay in abject terror. Preliminary testing has left behind some impressive craters in the dirt and emphasized the importance of running quickly behind the nearest wall after lighting them. You do not want to try this after Red Horse or San Miguel has slowed your reflexes, hand eye coordination and ability to judge time.

Mongers unaccustomed to loud noises, smoke, flying debris and the smell of cordite should wear Depends and / or carry an extra set of clean drawers if hitting the streets on New Year's Eve.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820206]
Maybe google some of the phills laws that cover foreigners being in the company of minors will shock you into being more responsible in future.[/QUOTE]Like this law? [URL]http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1992/ra_7610_1992.html[/URL].

According to article VI, section B, it is illegal to be in the company of a person below 13 yo OR a person who is at least 10 years younger than you (except when said person is related to you).

If this law is really enforced then it means that almost all of us could be in trouble when we pick up girls in the Phils.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1820363]Like this law? [URL]http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1992/ra_7610_1992.html[/URL].

According to article VI, section B, it is illegal to be in the company of a person below 13 yo OR a person who is at least 10 years younger than you (except when said person is related to you).

If this law is really enforced then it means that almost all of us could be in trouble when we pick up girls in the Phils.[/QUOTE]You have got the wrong end of the stick here. If we play out your assertion then that would mean a 60 year old man could not be with a 48 year old woman as there is more than 10 years age difference and that is absurd.

The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12. Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. To have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 17 there must be no more than 10 years age difference. So a 24 year old man can have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. However as far as many western countries are concerned the age of consent in the Philippines is 18. Thus for example, if you were a 24 year old Australian and had sex with your 15 year old Filipina girlfriend you would be prosecuted.

Sex between 15 year olds and 24 year olds, for example, is best left to Filipino nationals living in the Philippines.

As long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.

[QUOTE=Python75;1820382]You have got the wrong end of the stick here. If we play out your assertion then that would mean a 60 year old man could not be with a 48 year old woman as there is more than 10 years age difference and that is absurd.

The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12. Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. To have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 17 there must be no more than 10 years age difference. So a 24 year old man can have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. However as far as many western countries are concerned the age of consent in the Philippines is 18. Thus for example, if you were a 24 year old Australian and had sex with your 15 year old Filipina girlfriend you would be prosecuted.

Sex between 15 year olds and 24 year olds, for example, is best left to Filipino nationals living in the Philippines.

As long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE]Age of consent varies all over the world. In order to try to eliminate child sex trafficking now the universal standard is 18 years old and above. Even here in USA age of consent varies state to state. Irrespective of what the state says Federal rules state 18.

Generally in many countries locals can do whatever they want but for foreigners it is 18 . More and more countries are getting very strict. Another thing every one should be concerned about is pimping. Pimping is illegal in almost all countries and this does include your trusted GF bringing another girl consent or not. I know this happens a lot but if the other girl gets annoyed, upset or whatever watch out!

[QUOTE=Python75;1820382]You have got the wrong end of the stick here. If we play out your assertion then that would mean a 60 year old man could not be with a 48 year old woman as there is more than 10 years age difference and that is absurd.[/QUOTE]You must be right. I didn't think of that. Stupid of me!

[QUOTE=Python75;1820382]
The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12. Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. To have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 17 there must be no more than 10 years age difference. So a 24 year old man can have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. However as far as many western countries are concerned the age of consent in the Philippines is 18. Thus for example, if you were a 24 year old Australian and had sex with your 15 year old Filipina girlfriend you would be prosecuted.

Sex between 15 year olds and 24 year olds, for example, is best left to Filipino nationals living in the Philippines.

As long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE]The way I understand this law is that you're already committing an offence if you have a minor in your company (if this minor is not related to you, younger than 13 or more than 10 years younger than you). So you don't even need to have sex to get a conviction.

I was aware of the age of consent, which I would not breach under any condition, but I did not know that just in presence of someone younger than 18, I may be committing an offence. What if my 19 year old friend would bring her two year old son to visit my hotel room? Would that be considered an offence?

With my report I was hoping to entice other members to contribute via trip reports their sexual, girl experiences in AC. Too few candid mongering experiences and too many reports that should be filed under general information. Feedback though is appreciated regardless.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1820497]I was aware of the age of consent, which I would not breach under any condition, but I did not know that just in presence of someone younger than 18, I may be committing an offence. What if my 19 year old friend would bring her two year old son to visit my hotel room? Would that be considered an offence?

With my report I was hoping to entice other members to contribute via trip reports their sexual, girl experiences in AC. Too few candid mongering experiences and too many reports that should be filed under general information. Feedback though is appreciated regardless.[/QUOTE]I believe a small child of the 19 yo is ok. A close relative of the girl is ok. But if you have 10-17 yo daughter or sister of GF in the room it could look a little dodgy. It may be legal but can be exploit for someone's gain. Most members concerns are not necessarily the law but being in a blackmail able situation. And your blackmailer might not be the girl but someone else that noticed the situation and sees the opportunity to call their local police person or police impersonator for a jackpot.

This law is the one that deals with minors and its offences, the most important parts are these.


1,(a) "Children" refers to persons below eighteen (18) years.

Of age or those over but are unable to fully take care of.

Themselves or protect themselves from abuse, neglect.

Cruelty, exploitation or discrimination because of a physical.

Or mental disability or condition;.

In this section it clearly states that a minor is a person under 18 years of age.


2) (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a.

Minor, twelve (12) years or under OR who is ten (10) years or.

More his junior in any public or private place, hotel, motel.

Beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or.

Massage parlor, beach and / or other tourist resort or similar.

Places shall suffer the penalty of prision mayor in its.

Maximum period.


This second law is where the confusion comes in, the main word to take careful note of is the word OR in or who is 10 years, it clearly is saying it is an offence to be with someone under 12 and by inclusion of the word or also an offence to be in the company of someone who is 10 years his junior regardless of age, I know this is totally crazy how this law reads but its there should anyone want to use it to their advantage.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1820503]I believe a small child of the 19 yo is ok. A close relative of the girl is ok. But if you have 10-17 yo daughter or sister of GF in the room it could look a little dodgy. It may be legal but can be exploit for someone's gain. Most members concerns are not necessarily the law but being in a blackmail able situation. And your blackmailer might not be the girl but someone else that noticed the situation and sees the opportunity to call their local police person or police impersonator for a jackpot.[/QUOTE]Exactly, most members are concerned of a possible set up for a pay day.

I just can't understand anyone wanting to take the risk of having anyone under the legal age in his hotel room, just don't do it, there is absolutely no reason to do it, ever.

Want to meet your girlfriends kids, her relatives then meet them in a public place, a mall, a public park etc.

Never ever agree to be left alone with a minor how ever innocent you think it is, it could cost you at best large cash, at worst prison.

The crazy part is says in any public or private place. So if I'm walking down the sidewalk and a street kid come up to me and follows me to sell flowers / gum, etc. It sounds like technically that would be illegal as well. I can't imagine anyone is getting prosecuted or blackmailed for the public part.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820526]This law is the one that deals with minors and its offences, the most important parts are these.


2) (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a.

Minor, twelve (12) years or under OR who is ten (10) years or.

More his junior in any public or private place[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820526]
This second law is where the confusion comes in, the main word to take careful note of is the word OR in or who is 10 years, it clearly is saying it is an offence to be with someone under 12 and by inclusion of the word or also an offence to be in the company of someone who is 10 years his junior regardless of age, I know this is totally crazy how this law reads but its there should anyone want to use it to their advantage.[/QUOTE]Yes, but you are missing the point here. Republic Act No. 7610 Is An Act Providing For Stronger Deterrence And Special Protection Against Child Abuse, Exploitation And Discrimination, And For Other Purposes. This legislation relates to child abuse and you should bear that in mind when trying to interpret it. If you had any legal training you would understand. Thus S2 (b) should be taken in context of children and not adults. My original post stands, namely, as long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.

[QUOTE=Python75;1820570]Yes, but you are missing the point here. Republic Act No. 7610 Is An Act Providing For Stronger Deterrence And Special Protection Against Child Abuse, Exploitation And Discrimination, And For Other Purposes. This legislation relates to child abuse and you should bear that in mind when trying to interpret it. If you had any legal training you would understand. Thus S2 (b) should be taken in context of children and not adults. My original post stands, namely, as long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE]With all due respect python who says I do not have a law background and cannot correctly understand the 7610 acts meanings.

You are welcome to your opinions, interpretations of course, as to whether they are right or wrong is another story.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820533]Exactly, most members are concerned of a possible set up for a pay day.

I just can't understand anyone wanting to take the risk of having anyone under the legal age in his hotel room, just don't do it, there is absolutely no reason to do it, ever.

Want to meet your girlfriends kids, her relatives then meet them in a public place, a mall, a public park etc.

Never ever agree to be left alone with a minor how ever innocent you think it is, it could cost you at best large cash, at worst prison.[/QUOTE]This scam is already practiced in AC. The monger's female companion invites a minor to meet them in the hotel room or other residence. The female companion excuses herself for a minute and friendly policemen burst into the room to put the naive monger under arrest. He is then offered the opportunity to ransom himself for a king's ransom. Read back deep into the AC thread for such reports.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820583]With all due respect python who say I do not have a law background and cannot correctly understand the 7610 acts meanings.

You are welcome to your opinions, interpretations of course, as to whether they are right or wrong is another story.[/QUOTE]This is my last post on this matter but it is perverse to suggest that the Philippines, or indeed any other country for that matter, would make it a criminal offence for anyone to be in the company of a woman more than 10 years their junior when both parties are over the age of 18. You have made your point and I have made mine. Let the readers of this forum decide who is right and who is wrong.

[QUOTE=Python75;1820592]This is my last post on this matter but it is perverse to suggest that the Philippines, or indeed any other country for that matter, would make it a criminal offence for anyone to be in the company of a woman more than 10 years their junior when both parties are over the age of 18. You have made your point and I have made mine. Let the readers of this forum decide who is right and who is wrong.[/QUOTE]I fully agree that as the 7610 law is presently written it is absolutely crazy and have clearly stated so in my previous posts.

This does not change the fact that the law says a few simple words.

Or who is ten (10) years or more his junior.

It does not give any explanation as to what ages it refers to, just that a gap of 10 years or more is an offence, so while it reads as it does then buyer be aware.

your claims of it being perverse to have laws regarding people over 18 does not hold ground,in many arab countries,in vietnam etc it is totally illegal to be in a hotel room with a person of the opposite sex of any age who you are not married to or a direct family member,so yes strange laws exist even for people over 18 but exist they do and its up to each person to arm himself with the relevant information and to take care not to break rules if one like his freedom

But hey,if i or any other member ever get arrested with an 18 year old in saudi arabia,phills.vietnam we can always tell the judge in our defence,yes but python 75 of isg forum said it was ok as long as the girl was 18 lol,only joking python

I'm a long- time monger, but not so old. As the Internet matures, I can't help thinking this awesome forum could also be more user friendly.

In the absence of a FAQ or Wiki or more of the fantastic "reports of distinction" updated frequently for this huge thread, perhaps someone that knows can answer. I've spend over 3 years in the PH, and am happy to answer questions in return.

1. I'm very good at the art of the p/u in a place where it's pay 4 play. When you know you'll get laid, your game can go up 4x for best girl at best price. So, I did great with LA cafe when in Manila even though most say it sucks now (I was doing this early 2015). How much better is AC for freelance at a place like LA Cafe if you want girls that are 8 on looks? In LA cafe, 2005, it takes a lot of work to pull an 8 for < P3000. But that's game, and FUN game for me. How about an 8 for P3000- P4000 in AC? Maybe more like a 9 for that price, or maybe an 8 for P3000 no problem?

2. I work remotely when traveling (from laptop), but need 1/2 decent Internet for working. If staying at good hotel, is it OK? Is Skype fairly reliable if I pay good money somewhere for a good connection?

3. What is the current thinking about bar girl prices in the clubs in AC vs. Manila or Cebu? I found all the bar girls in Manila way too expensive for prices I'd experienced in Cebu. 7 years ago I could bone a 9 in Cebu for USD 30. For USD 100 at Arena and the premium bars/bar-girls clubs, many 9's for the taking w/ very little "work" (again, that is "work" I enjoy at the bars and am willing to put in the extra time). I know that doesn't happen now, but also think for a 8-9 in Makati or Manila it's at least 100 USD? True?

Thanks,

WL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820526]

2) (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior.... SNIP

This second law is where the confusion comes in, the main word to take careful note of is the word OR in or who is 10 years, it clearly is saying it is an offence to be with someone under 12 and by inclusion of the word or also an offence to be in the company of someone who is 10 years his junior regardless of age, I know this is totally crazy how this law reads but its there should anyone want to use it to their advantage.[/QUOTE]I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that the other word to take careful note of is the word WHO that comes right after OR. I think this 'who' refers to minor.

So I think this means you have to read it like this:
'Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior....'

And a minor is defined as a person below 18 yo. So I think Python75 has got it right.

Right?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1820617]I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that the other word to take careful note of is the word WHO that comes right after OR. I think this 'who' refers to minor.

So I think this means you have to read it like this:
'Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior....'

And a minor is defined as a person below 18 yo. So I think Python75 has got it right.

Right?[/QUOTE]As not to bore everyone I will try the explanation 1 more time.

The law does not say OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior, it says OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior, no mention of minor after the word or which clearly separates the first part, Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, from the second part, OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior.

The word or is the deciding factor it is where the first part is seperated from the second part.

First part is its illegal to be with a girl under 12, second part its also illegal to be with anyone who is 10 years your junior regardless of age as it clearly does not stipulate an age in the second part.

i do not think that anyone who is 60 in a room with a female who is 40 year old women he met at bingo has anything to worry about but if a 60 year old was in a room with a 19 year old and the police,girl decided they wanted a pay day they could quite easily quote this part of the law to extract pesos,

do not forget also that any working girl regardless of age caught in our room comes under the new human traffic phills laws and carries a mandatory 20 years sentence so if they dont get us with one law there is plenty more to get us with,

Anyways lets move on to more happy subjects now.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820632]As not to bore everyone I will try the explanation 1 more time.

The law does not say OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior, it says OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior, no mention of minor after the word or which clearly separates the first part, Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, from the second part, OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior.

The word or is the deciding factor it is where the first part is seperated from the second part.

First part is its illegal to be with a girl under 12, second part its illegal to be with anyone who is 10 years your junior regardless of age as it clearly does not stipulate an age in the second part.

Anyways lets move on now.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. In your interpretation the word 'who' in the second part refers to nobody. If it said 'or A PERSON who is ten (10) years or more his junior' then you would be right.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1820617]I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that the other word to take careful note of is the word WHO that comes right after OR. I think this 'who' refers to minor.

So I think this means you have to read it like this:
'Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior....'

And a minor is defined as a person below 18 yo. So I think Python75 has got it right.

Right?[/QUOTE]I am a lawyer and although NappaSlappa means well he is misinterpreting the statute. It is a very badly worded piece of legislation.

Politicians write the legislation and the courts interpret it. The legislation is in relation to CHILD abuse, under 18's. Why would the politicians include a one liner relating to adults in child abuse legislation? If the Philippine government wanted to criminalise fraternisation between over 18's who have an age difference greater than 10 years then separate legislation would cover that and not be hidden in legislation concerning child abuse. No such legislation exists.

The legislation needs to be read in its proper context which is child abuse, not adult abuse as well which NappaSlappa would have us believe. NappaSlappa is taking a literal interpretation of the legislation which is incorrect.

Besides, does anyone on this forum know of anyone who has been prosecuted in the Philippines for being with a girl aged over 18 and the age gap is greater than 10 years?

[QUOTE=Python75;1820669]
The legislation needs to be read in its proper context which is child abuse, not adult abuse as well which NappaSlappa would have us believe.

Besides, does anyone on this forum know of anyone who has been prosecuted in the Philippines for being with a girl aged over 18 and the age gap is greater than 10 years?[/QUOTE]Thanks Python, this makes a lot more sense to me.

However I'm still worried a little bit. One of my regulars has 2 kids, both younger than 13, who love to come to my hotel to swim in the pool. But never alone, they are always accompanied by their mother. Usually we sit in my room for a while to have a chat and a drink before we head to the pool. I have also visited her and her kids in her home a couple of times.
Can I be prosecuted for this, in a worst case scenario?

And another scenario: you're visiting a bar where, without your knowledge, some 16 or 17 yo girls are working. One of them keeps you company for a while and you buy her a few drinks. To you she looks 18+, it's often hard to tell as we all know. Can you be prosecuted for this?

[QUOTE=Python75;1820669]I am a lawyer and although NappaSlappa means well he is misinterpreting the statute. It is a very badly worded piece of legislation.{S N I P}[/QUOTE]Agreed! I am not a lawyer but have had the need to interpret legal contracts for many decades. I clarify the usual lengthy sentences by applying simple grammatical rules, without changing any of the words or the sequencing of words (and then of course the lawyers claim that what I write is not correct legalese haha).

Interesting to note that all posters who read the legislation (except me of course haha) automatically mentally corrected the following error without realising it: [I]"who in (10) years"[/I] should have read [I]"who is (10) years"[/I].

[I][blue](b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor:
1/ twelve (12) years or under, or
2/ who is ten (10) years or more his junior
in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places {S N I P}[/blue][/I]

And the meaning is now clear.

Ikksman

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1820680]Thanks Python, this makes a lot more sense to me.

However I'm still worried a little bit. One of my regulars has 2 kids, both younger than 13, who love to come to my hotel to swim in the pool. But never alone, they are always accompanied by their mother. Usually we sit in my room for a while to have a chat and a drink before we head to the pool. I have also visited her and her kids in her home a couple of times.
Can I be prosecuted for this, in a worst case scenario?

And another scenario: you're visiting a bar where, without your knowledge, some 16 or 17 yo girls are working. One of them keeps you company for a while and you buy her a few drinks. To you she looks 18+, it's often hard to tell as we all know. Can you be prosecuted for this?[/QUOTE]With respect mogwai you are actually asking for legal advice from a group of guys on a mongers board?

Members may claim they are lawyers, members of the elite delta squadron, the british sas etc etc.

I could claim to be related to the queen of england or to be father Christmas who is to say what is true and what is utter bullshit or who is who,

For us mongers who like being in a 3rd world shit poor countries so that we can have our wicked way with the maidens comes with many risks, the law is what the police tell you it is should you be unfortunate to come in contact with them and they are out for a pay day.

One has only two choices pay quickly to make the problem go away or spend the next 3-5 years in a stinking jail awaiting for your case to come before a judge, think this does not happen, think again.or ask the innocent visitors to the phills who have recently had live bullets put into their luggage by phills customs officers,

Best advice, trust nobody, don't ever let your guard down, if the police come a knocking then pay up and get the fuck out, asking for legal advice from a group of mongers who claim they are x,y or z will not protect ones ass

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1820680]Thanks Python, this makes a lot more sense to me.

However I'm still worried a little bit. One of my regulars has 2 kids, both younger than 13, who love to come to my hotel to swim in the pool. But never alone, they are always accompanied by their mother. Usually we sit in my room for a while to have a chat and a drink before we head to the pool. I have also visited her and her kids in her home a couple of times.
Can I be prosecuted for this, in a worst case scenario?

And another scenario: you're visiting a bar where, without your knowledge, some 16 or 17 yo girls are working. One of them keeps you company for a while and you buy her a few drinks. To you she looks 18+, it's often hard to tell as we all know. Can you be prosecuted for this?[/QUOTE]In the first scenario there really is nothing to worry about because it will be interpreted as a normal family setting. I have a regular GF some 22 years younger than me with 2 kids. Both kids are under 12 and they often stay in the hotel with me. It would be incredibly hard for any court to prove that any offence under the legislation has occurred.

The second scenario is different and unfortunately you and the bar could get in trouble, the bar more so.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1820694]With respect mogwai you are actually asking for legal advice from a group of guys on a mongers board?
Members may claim they are lawyers, members of the elite delta squadron, the british sas etc etc. [/QUOTE]Hmm yeah, that includes you LOL!

I think the answers I got speak for themselves. For me it's quite clear which answers I can trust more than others. But I agree I cannot be 100% sure.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1820683]
Interesting to note that all posters who read the legislation (except me of course haha) automatically mentally corrected the following error without realising it: [I]"who in (10) years"[/I] should have read [I]"who is (10) years"[/I].[/QUOTE]I realized it haha! I saw this error. It comes with my job to pay attention to details.

[QUOTE=Python75;1820695]In the first scenario there really is nothing to worry about
SNIP
The second scenario is different and unfortunately you and the bar could get in trouble, the bar more so.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Python!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1820728]Hmm yeah, that includes you LOL!

I think the answers I got speak for themselves. For me it's quite clear which answers I can trust more than others. But I agree I cannot be 100% sure.[/QUOTE]I was 100% including my good self in my comments LOL.

Great academic discussions here regarding the written law for mental masterings. But when it comes down to the actual situation the police person or police impersonator is not going to give a crap about how the law is written or your interpretation of it.

Just don't get yourself into a possible situation. If you do, be prepared to accept the quickest peso resolution at the lowest bailable level.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1819773]Dear All brothers.

Been a while away from the philippines. By 2016, I plan to visit Manila and this time wish to spend most of my monger time in Angeles. Want to go wild this coming trip, have been trying to surf around the Angeles city forum and gather more info.

May be some veteran over here can also give your precious guidelines too, which is a plus for me to avoid some ripping places.

I wish to take the best sexperience in this trip starting from a nice location hotels and may be find some gems from the bars or non pro by then. Perhpas may be end up with couple of nice babes joining me during the duration of my stay. Is this advisable? Or changing everyday. Perhaps?

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]Once again advise for questions like this can not possibly be given due to the fact you failed to mention what your budget was. Sounds to me you may have a unlimited budget which is pretty much no budget and that you can spend has much money has it take to max out and your fun time. If this is the case I advise you take the VIP room at the ABC hotel and go to the higher end bars like Atlantis crystal palace or dollhouse and EWR some of the top model girls they have. This will cost you a pretty penny But you will have a great time while in AC.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1820773]Great academic discussions here regarding the written law for mental masterings. But when it comes down to the actual situation the police person or police impersonator is not going to give a crap about how the law is written or your interpretation of it.

Just don't get yourself into a possible situation. If you do, be prepared to accept the quickest peso resolution at the lowest bailable level.[/QUOTE]

Exactly,the police if on the scam care nothing except the pay day, always pay the first person,the more people who get involved the higher the get out price becomes,

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1820588]This scam is already practiced in AC. The monger's female companion invites a minor to meet them in the hotel room or other residence. The female companion excuses herself for a minute and friendly policemen burst into the room to put the naive monger under arrest. He is then offered the opportunity to ransom himself for a king's ransom. Read back deep into the AC thread for such reports.[/QUOTE]Thanks chocha for your post, yes I am fully aware of this common scam, many have reported this here and on many angeles based boards.

I posted in the Makati section too.

I went to AC for 3 days on the Swagman bus. Both this bus and the southern cross bus are old buses. For the expensive fair, I would think it would be primo service. And the Swagman bus forgot to pick us up at the wild orchid, we had to get a lift over to the Swagman hotel. Not good service.

From a few years ago, things are really booming in AC. There are high rise condo and hotel towers going up, and I think they are taking the prices with them. Massages were expensive. I didn't bother to barfine a girl. I took a massage girl off of walking street and it was 500 and she wanted 3 k to screw, wouldn't BBBJ, and wanted 500 for topples HJ. I agreed, then when she balked at letting me tits F her, I gave her 100 p tip and kicked her out.

I got a BBBJ at one of the remaining BJ bars. It is always good there. The girls are older usually, but always good service. What was 750 is now 1000 p though. Again with the inflation. I expect prices to keep rising. And I hope the town doesn't keep on clamping down on the P4 P scene if it wants to fill those high rise towers it is building. Who is to be all those rooms except single guys wanting cheap fun for the night?

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1820683]Agreed! I am not a lawyer but have had the need to interpret legal contracts for many decades. I clarify the usual lengthy sentences by applying simple grammatical rules, without changing any of the words or the sequencing of words (and then of course the lawyers claim that what I write is not correct legalese haha).

Interesting to note that all posters who read the legislation (except me of course haha) automatically mentally corrected the following error without realising it: [I]"who in (10) years"[/I] should have read [I]"who is (10) years"[/I].

[I][blue](b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor:
1/ twelve (12) years or under, or
2/ who is ten (10) years or more his junior
in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places {S N I P}[/blue][/I]

And the meaning is now clear.

Ikksman[/QUOTE]All these quotes about the law & legislation in the Philippines are nonsense. Bottom line is that the police in the Philippines are a part of the criminal class, whether it relates to scamming foreigners (and Filipinos), putting bullets and white powder into travellers bags in NAIA airport or stopping cars for traffic violations (so called).

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1821021]All these quotes about the law & legislation in the Philippines are nonsense. Bottom line is that the police in the Philippines are a part of the criminal class, whether it relates to scamming foreigners (and Filipinos), putting bullets and white powder into travellers bags in NAIA airport or stopping cars for traffic violations (so called).[/QUOTE]Thank you. This is the only post in this endless repetition of legalese that shows any understanding of the reality on the ground. Foreigners here don't get to parse legal phraseology. If scammed they pay or they go to jail.

GE.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1820997]I posted in the Makati section too.

I went to AC for 3 days on the Swagman bus. Both this bus and the southern cross bus are old buses. For the expensive fair, I would think it would be primo service. And the Swagman bus forgot to pick us up at the wild orchid, we had to get a lift over to the Swagman hotel. Not good service.

From a few years ago, things are really booming in AC. There are high rise condo and hotel towers going up, and I think they are taking the prices with them. Massages were expensive. I didn't bother to barfine a girl. I took a massage girl off of walking street and it was 500 and she wanted 3 k to screw, wouldn't BBBJ, and wanted 500 for topples HJ. I agreed, then when she balked at letting me tits F her, I gave her 100 p tip and kicked her out.
[/QUOTE]So basic consensus is guys from countries like S. Korea and the Middle East have now totally ruined the party for us that are in Europe or US? I've seen it, but now this seems to be the case EVERYWHERE in SEA? No more getting super hot girls from clubs or bars, because those have now increased prices 2 X. Our only options now as the low men on the totem pole, since we don't pay stupid prices, is pulling from what used to be the 2nd string locations?

Makes me want to spend less time on the hobby and just focus on GF in SEA. Middle Eastern & Korean guys are not what girls want for a real BF.

WL.

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1821345]So basic consensus is guys from countries like S. Korea and the Middle East have now totally ruined the party for us that are in Europe or US?[/QUOTE]IMO, I would put it this way. The hordes of tourist from Korea, Japan, US, Europe, and Australia have ruined the party for the BUDGET tourist.

Some people on this board blame the Koreans for the girls not wanting to do LT, wanting tips, being selective, and even double lady drinks. These are points for debate.

But there are good points for the hordes of tourist. Remember the mid-2000 (talking to the non-fakes out there). A lot less girls; less mega-clubs. Quality of the girls was lacking. Good looking girls (IMO) did not want to come to Angeles for half of the approx. 1200-1800 peso barfine. There are more better looking girls now than in 2003 (of course you have the same marginal looking girls (which many guys like...which is great).

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1821345]Korean guys are not what girls want for a real BF.[/QUOTE]Another point for debate. IMO, many girls like / prefer the Koreans because they say they're more culturally similar. But of course, what most of the girls want for a REAL boyfriend is the green or the green card (US term).

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1821541]Some people on this board blame the Koreans for the girls not wanting to do LT, wanting tips, being selective, and even double lady drinks. These are points for debate.
[/QUOTE]I experienced AC from '92 on. This was certainly before the Koreans arrived but after the Yanks left. Several bars open, but you could find a lot of bars with few girls and no customers. There were also a lot bars that had gone bust and remained shuttered. LT was the deal. Little pressure for lady drinks.

By the mid 90's AC had picked up. Koreans were going Cebu at this time. It was more business friendly for investors and considered safer. I think the first major Korean investment in AC was the purchase of the Chicago Park Hotel. Boracay becomes a honeymoon destination for Koreans.

In '97 was Korea's economic meltdown. Many younger Koreans who had been going to the States and Canada to study English shifted to cheaper locales. The Korean economy was in the doldrums for a few years but Koreans started investing in Ermita and later AC.

Mid to late 90's the rise of the Internet makes places like Pattaya and AC better known. Prior it was word of mouth.

By mid noughties Korean penetration into AC and Puerto Gallera really picked up. A lot of development of AC clubs. Korean economy had recovered and more Koreans visit the Philippines for golf, sex and English.

The these-girls-are-for-Koreans-only thing is indeed a Korean thing. It was a common practice is Korea's RLD outside those that service foreigners such as Itaewon and the camp towns; Koreans had the notion that foreigners were AIDs carriers, so as you wandered around there Korean blokes would shout out "AIDs" as you passed by. The girls in the windows would turn their backs to you. A place gets the stigma of catering to foreigners and the Koreans will shun it.

In the Philippines the Korean model is quite different from the Japanese model. The Japanese by and large developed their own places and pretty much patronised them exclusively. The Koreans enter existing places, take them over to a degree, and then expand in the area. Places that remain blended have a distinct two-tier vibe. If a girl who caters to Koreans gets the rep of going with non Koreans this can lose her business. Some do, but they tend to be discreet about it. Get her mobile number and arrange to meet outside away from Korean eyes.

For about two decades now the rising and now major player in AC has been the Koreans. They're the investors and the customers. Changes, good or bad, have been most influenced by them. Korea doesn't have a tipping culture except for a few businesses such as the bath house if you get a scrub, the gold course caddy, and the sex business, and tips there can be large.

Since the late noughties there have been more Indians and Chinese making their way to the Philippines and AC. Maybe 10 years from now the Koreans will be complaining about them.

Since '92 what has changed in the region? The Japanese economy lost at least a decade. Korea blossomed. China rose. For the punter, he has lost Korea - except for the Japanese punter it was never major foreigner draw, but it was quite good, and by the early noughties most of the bar girls working in foreigner-patronised places were Russian and Filipino. Cambodia and Vietnam both came on the scene. In Thailand Hua Hin developed. Bangkok's Soi 33 rose, but it's declining nowadays. Nana Plaza has really boomed; it was there in the early 90's, but it didn't get the huge number of customers as today. Manila lost the Ermita bars and Pasay gained the EDSA International Complex. Burgos pretty much the same. AC has grown. Cebu's bikini bars I found in the early 90's are gone. I can't speak much for China as I've only partied there a couple of time, and it seems quite good, but it is not the easily accessible places we find in Thailand, the Philippines and Cambodia. It'll be interesting to see how Burma develops.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1822208]The these-girls-are-for-Koreans-only thing is indeed a Korean thing.[/QUOTE]It's also a Japanese thing in some places in Tokyo (from what I've heard).

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1822208]If a girl who caters to Koreans gets the rep of going with non Koreans this can lose her business. Some do, but they tend to be discreet about it. Get her mobile number and arrange to meet outside away from Korean eyes.[/QUOTE]I've talked to many of the popular girls in Angeles. Many of them only go with East Asians. I ask them why. Many will say I don't know. Some will say, culturally similar or easier, or small dicks. I still haven't gotten into the head of the Filipina's mind.

In Angeles, assuming most of the popular girl's cliental are tourist. Assuming the girl's reputation will not be known to most of the tourist. Not sure how big the Korean ex-pat market is.

Also, the popular girl's reputation (if she goes out with non East Asians) won't matter on how much business she gets because she gets barfined every single day, with her choice of customers (her choice on ethnicity).

Above statements apply to the popular girls, working on the larger bars on Fields. Some of the smaller, mainly Korean-only cliental bars, with Korean owners and managers might be different. Hence, Hutsori's above comments might be more accurate for these bars.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1822402]

I've talked to many of the popular girls in Angeles. Many of them only go with East Asians. I ask them why. Many will say I don't know. Some will say, culturally similar or easier, or small dicks. ........................[/QUOTE]The world does not stand still, it changes. We have got to innovate to survive.

Filipinos think short time. If they thought long term, they might change their attitude towards Western man, cause a lot of them have married Filipinas in the past, giving the girls long term stability. That was our lure in days of old, the prospect of marriage. I don't see any evidence of the Koreans marrying Filipinas. Will the Filipinas come to their senses and secure their long term future? No point waiting to see. Innovate to get a date. Upgrade your modus operandi, as best you can. Don't forget the K's they admire are quite often half our age. Maybe a major investment in plastic surgery? LOL.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1822402] I still haven't gotten into the head of the Filipina's mind.[/QUOTE]Me neither but as long as it's so damn easy to get into their pussies I don't care, LOL!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1821541]IMO, I would put it this way. The hordes of tourist from Korea, Japan, US, Europe, and Australia have ruined the party for the BUDGET tourist.

Some people on this board blame the Koreans for the girls not wanting to do LT, wanting tips, being selective, and even double lady drinks. These are points for debate.

But there are good points for the hordes of tourist. Remember the mid-2000 (talking to the non-fakes out there). A lot less girls; less mega-clubs. Quality of the girls was lacking. Good looking girls (IMO) did not want to come to Angeles for half of the approx. 1200-1800 peso barfine. There are more better looking girls now than in 2003 (of course you have the same marginal looking girls (which many guys like...which is great).

Another point for debate. IMO, many girls like / prefer the Koreans because they say they're more culturally similar. But of course, what most of the girls want for a REAL boyfriend is the green or the green card (US term).[/QUOTE]Super useful response, GreenBud. My knowledge is an A on some of these topics, but you filled some gaps where I'm a C grade. I haven't heard others say that with quantity of guys more girls stepped in to the scene both for p4 P or GF with foreigners: at least not in a way that is any better now for Westerners OR those from Korea. Guys seem to complain 10 years ago in Angeles or elsewhere in PH was much better. I will say, from my experience, Cebu of 2006 vs. LA Club or Club Havana or good bar scene in Manila circa 2015 was 2 X better. Would LOVE to go back to Mango Ave, Cebu of 2005 vs. Manila of 2015. I worked there 1/2 the year, but also was in Manila working in 2015 for shorter time. Manila did not impress vs. 2006 Cebu!

As for the GF w / westerners vs. Japanese vs. Korean, I think it goes both ways. Some PH girls like Asian guys, other PH girls like Western guys, both w/ bars and GFs.

I'd just say it's hard to deny the P4 P scene is worse for those on a budget AND w / more money now because of more Asian tourists from the now wealthy countries on the continent like S Korea. I think they've also brought up prices for what used to be a 100 USD BF and is now 200 USD for a 9, a decade later. The Interwebs changed everything, but I wonder if they brought more girls to the hot-spots for those of us that travel to meet women or if they mostly just brought more guys and a higher price-tags, less good looks/personality, GF or otherwise.

WL.

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1822920]Super useful response, GreenBud. My knowledge is an A on some of these topics, but you filled some gaps where I'm a C grade. I haven't heard others say that with quantity of guys more girls stepped in to the scene both for p4 P or GF with foreigners: at least not in a way that is any better now for Westerners OR those from Korea. Guys seem to complain 10 years ago in Angeles or elsewhere in PH was much better. I will say, from my experience, Cebu of 2006 vs. LA Club or Club Havana or good bar scene in Manila circa 2015 was 2 X better. Would LOVE to go back to Mango Ave, Cebu of 2005 vs. Manila of 2015. I worked there 1/2 the year, but also was in Manila working in 2015 for shorter time. Manila did not impress vs. 2006 Cebu!

As for the GF w / westerners vs. Japanese vs. Korean, I think it goes both ways. Some PH girls like Asian guys, other PH girls like Western guys, both w/ bars and GFs.

I'd just say it's hard to deny the P4 P scene is worse for those on a budget AND w / more money now because of more Asian tourists from the now wealthy countries on the continent like S Korea. I think they've also brought up prices for what used to be a 100 USD BF and is now 200 USD for a 9, a decade later. The Interwebs changed everything, but I wonder if they brought more girls to the hot-spots for those of us that travel to meet women or if they mostly just brought more guys and a higher price-tags, less good looks/personality, GF or otherwise.

WL.[/QUOTE]They have brought: higher prices; bad attitudes; preference for short-time; more rookie mongers; more be and see grade girls; more attention from anti-mongering organizations and corrupt extortionist authorities. For Westerner mongers with a decade or more in the hobby, the hot-spots have definitely declined.

The hot-spots will continue to evolve into something very different from what it was before the Korean tsunami struck. Perhaps they will keep moving towards the KTV show bar model where Asian mongers make it rain pesos to impress their friends and associates while running up huge lady drink tabs. Some be and see quality venues will still be available for Western mongers but they will continue to be less and less of a priority as more of the K-pop crowd arrive shoving aside Westerners.

This trend is probably more of an issue for oldsters. Younger Western guys do not seem to be interested in the hobby and Flip girls in general. In the past couple months I have seen numerous young Western male tourists in the Philippines and with few exceptions they were with quite attractive Western girls. Rising airfares, new economic realities worldwide, and worsening security conditions in the Philippines will make it less appealing as a mongering destination for new Western hobbyists. The Philippines department of tourism has announced that its new strategy is to focus on attracting tourists from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Iraq. This shift to generating tourism from Third World and conflict zones occurred after the recent bullet planting scam and warnings from Western embassies to their citizens to avoid areas in the Philippines that were previously considered safe. It seems that the government has given up on trying to attract tourists from civilized industrial countries.

In any part of the world once the mongering spot becomes well known everything changes. All mongers are guilty of overpaying, causing shitty attitudes from prostitutes etc. When the girls learn they can get away by demanding lots of money they will use that knowledge. As far as we are concerned we can look for the best girls possible but there will be failures. Cannot blame any of this on certain group of people.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1823858]Cannot blame any of this on certain group of people.[/QUOTE]Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1823858]In any part of the world once the mongering spot becomes well known everything changes. All mongers are guilty of overpaying, causing shitty attitudes from prostitutes etc. When the girls learn they can get away by demanding lots of money they will use that knowledge. As far as we are concerned we can look for the best girls possible but there will be failures. Cannot blame any of this on certain group of people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1823905]Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.[/QUOTE]

Everyday hundreds of planes land at Swampy and Ninoy Aquino bringing in more and more horny, lonely guys from all over the world. I blame the internet for making it so damn easy for guys to learn about SE Asia and get over their reticence about trying something risky and unknown. Before the internet, travel was for the adventurous and information was spread person to person and mouth to mouth. You had to be somewhere already before you would likely hear about some club or bar with sexy girls worth checking out. Most of these new types of travelers would never have even contemplated coming to a place like AC, MNL, BKK or Pat before the internet. The pre-internet days were the golden era of punting worldwide. It is only going to get worse from here in out unless the world goes into a severe global depression lasting a decade or more. I am sorry to sound so pessimistic. I would love to be wrong.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1823909]Everyday hundreds of planes land at Swampy and Ninoy Aquino bringing in more and more horny, lonely guys from all over the world. I blame the internet for making it so damn easy for guys to learn about SE Asia and get over their reticence about trying something risky and unknown. Before the internet, travel was for the adventurous and information was spread person to person and mouth to mouth. You had to be somewhere already before you would likely hear about some club or bar with sexy girls worth checking out. Most of these new types of travelers would never have even contemplated coming to a place like AC, MNL, BKK or Pat before the internet. The pre-internet days were the golden era of punting worldwide. It is only going to get worse from here in out unless the world goes into a severe global depression lasting a decade or more. I am sorry to sound so pessimistic. I would love to be wrong.[/QUOTE]Well again it all comes down to supply and demand. Back in the 90's they were few mongers coming to Angeles city so the girls were more willing to do GFE and were looking for a long time sponsor because they did not know when they might get there next costumer. Fast forward to 2016 and with the age of the internet, There are so many tourist coming to Angeles city, So they can afford to give a shitty attitude and poor service because if a girl is attractive enough she can get bar fined everyday.

Even me as a monger I have changed when it comes to women. I have more options to fuck so many beautiful women from Brazil-Asia sleeping with 100's of women every year, That when I come back to the USA, I treat these westernize women like shit and they like me a lot more because I have I don't give a fuck attitude and are not sweating them or putting them on a pedestal, like so many guys in the America. It shocks them when you treat them like shit and are not putting up with there attitude.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1823905]Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.[/QUOTE]Seriously? What is 1000 p to us (maybe half an hour work if you earn like average). And don't blame me I wouldn't stick my feet anywhere close to AC.

If we look at it from the girly angel ofcourse I would prefer earning money from drinks rather than spreading them legs every now and then (multiple times a day). I encourage all girls to skip barwork, become good girls so we can join forces through various fake FB's (joking lang).

Gents,

I know there are a few pervs out there this board LOL. Some very kinky and terribly naughty also who like to taste preggy girls.

I know one, very pretty, about 4-5 months now who is keen to meet pervs.

I know her, she is very good, pretty and sexy plus at times she likes Greek.

And looks very good in heels and lingerie.

PM me if there are any naughty boys in AC who like this perversion LOL (I don't as I am a good Catholic LOL).

[B]Continued from Manila thread.
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[B]December 30 (Day 4: Wednesday)
[/B]We had booked a taxi with Roy from Manila to AC for the second time. Thanks Goodenough for sharing this contact earlier. This trip Roy charged us 2700 pesos one way which was 100 lower than last trip. As expected he was on time at the Hotel. Clean, new car with comfortable seats. It was a smooth traffic free ride to Lewis Grand Hotel in Angeles, approx. 2. 5 hours. I had booked a Deluxe suite at approx. 95 USD a night for 4 nights from [URL]booking.com[/URL], eventually after adding taxes it worked to be same as the rate offered by Hotel directly I. E. 116 USD per night.

While checking in at the Hotel I was upgraded to a Pool side Jacuzzi Suite without any additional charges. It was a welcome delight. This room was quoted at USD 175 per night. I couldn't have asked for more as a New Year gift. Settled in and immediately moved on to Ponytails.

There were approx. 25 odd girls between two changes. Got a good shoulder massage while identifying potential. Didn't see any so moved on to Eruptions. It was extremely sad with 3 girls on the front floor and another 3 or 4 inside. Decided to go back to Hotel and hit Walking Street in the evening.

Bars visited on WS are as follows:

[B]Kings Landing: [/B]Decent selection of girls, approx. 15+ with 2 changes. I got talking to the waitress and found her quite sexy and to my liking. I barfined her, 2400 pesos LT. She told me her name was Maria. She was 5'2', A+ sized breasts, decent body, lovely smile and extra cattiness.

[B]Vikings: [/B]Great collection of girls, Approx 40 + between two changes. Some real cuties and PYTs. Definitely one of the best bars on the strip.

[B]Stardust /Carnival: [/B]Dead with just 4 or 5 girls on the floor. Main floor was closed. Girls were standing upfront near the sofas, easily can be given a miss. Liked one waitress here but would try another day if possible.

[B]Shipwrecked: [/B]Average selection. Approx 6 to 8 girls. Nothing interesting. The waitress were extra fun and were flirting for drinks. Didn't oblige them.

I was not aware that doorgirls or waitresses could also be barfined as I had liked a lot of girls on my earlier visit and had never asked them. This trip I was going to ask any girl I liked and not miss the opportunity.

We got back to the room, had few drinks. Maria was super charged and extremely funny. She was having a good time. We were carrying a bottle of Tequila alongwith Scotch. Few drinks later it was bed time. The cat in Maria was out on the bed, she liked to play around and was enjoying herself. The few shots of tequila seem to have added to her vigor. Good kissing and a decent BBBJ. She had a Bush. Slow sex in missionary and we continued to finish in doggy. We dozed off after that, Next thing I remember is Maria waking me up at 7 am. She wanted to leave as she had to get home early for New Year preparations with her family. What a bummer as I did not even have morning wood. I let her go with a 100 peso tip.

Overall experience: 6.5/10 as she bailed out in the morning without any prior indication.

[B]December 31 (Day 5: Thursday)
[/B]Started our day with breakfast at Kokomos at 12 pm. Quantity had reduced and quality has gone downhill for sure. Not worth the 300 pesos I spent. This was one change I was not expecting.

The shuttle dropped us at the bars beginning on perimeter Road. We went into the below mentioned bars:

[B]Night Moves: [/B]Average selection of girls. 6+ on the floor. Nothing caught my fancy. We moved on.

Another bar in between, forgot the name, nothing interesting so moved next door.

[B]Candy: [/B]7+ girls on the floor, good collection. I liked a girl and called her for a drink. Her name was Rachel. We immediately connected. She was a sweet and lively girl. I immediately bar fined her. 1600 pesos. She was going to stay till 7 pm as she had to return to Manila for New years with her family. I was ok with that. We got back to hotel. Blanqui also found his girl at Candy.

We chatted and had a beer while watching the pool. Rachel could not swim so we couldn't partake and enjoy the warm and sunny afternoon weather. What a bummer. None the less we were back inside, shower and onto bed. Rachel had a superb curvy arse. It was not so obvious when she was dressed and from her small and petite body. We started kissing and slowly warming up. Rachel responded very well and I could already see her getting wet as my fingers reached her inside. She had a Bush. We didn't waste time and I got her to do WOT. Few minutes and I could see her shuddering. I rolled her over into missionary and could see the grin on her face stating that she had come. I continued for few minutes and had to turn her over for that sexy arse. I entered her from behind and lifted her up holding her A+ sized breasts. I came within a minute with her also finishing the second time. We were completely satiated. It had been one of the best sessions of this trip. I wanted to meet her again the next day but she had taken few days off and would be back on 2nd or 3rd of January. There was nothing I could do but let it go. Rachel left around 6. 30 pm with a 500 peso tip. It had indeed been great session with her.

Overall experience: 8.5/10.

We went to Walking Street around 7 pm. I wanted to get a girl early as we had anticipated a thin crowd across bar considering it was New Years eve. We were carrying enough booze and wanted to spend the evening in the hotel itself.

We visited bars as below:

[B]Champagne: [/B]Good selection of girls. Easily one of the best bars after Vikings. As soon as I entered my eyes caught a girl standing near the bar. She was not dressed in clothes the girls on stage were wearing hence I was not sure if she was working in the bar or visiting with a customer. She was hot and my eyes were continuously glued to her. I had lost interest in the girls on stage. Before I could make any move the waitress approached her and whispered something. The girl then walked towards a Korean guy and got herself seated. What a bummer. She was indeed working in the bar and I had delayed unnecessarily. Her street clothes had put me off track. We moved on.

[B]Superstar: [/B]Average selection. We moved on.

[B]Hot Lips: [/B]Average selection. We moved on.

[B]Club Salambo: [/B]Average selection. We moved on.

[B]Angelwitch / Roadhouse: [/B]We were in a mood to listen to rock music so this was the best bar to get into. Add to that Blanqui wanted to take his chances with meeting a hottie from a previous trip at Angelwitch. The girls here are slightly pushy for drinks but the music makes up for everything else.

Finding none interesting I decided to peek into Roadhouse as it's connected to Angelwitch through a curtained entrance near the pool table. I had chatted with a girl around 6 months back on FB and wanted to check out if she was there. When I entered I immediately noticed her seated beside on a sofa. I walked to her and started chatting with her. She also remembered me but we had never met and this was the first time. I told her that I was seated in Angelwitch with a friend and she could join me for drinks there. Her name was Ivy. We instantly clicked and felt like old friends catching up. Wasting no time further I barfined her. 3000 pesos. Meanwhile Blanqui had got lucky too.

We were off to our room to celebrate new year's. This time I invited Blanqui & his girl over to ring in the new year. We called in for food from the Hotel and the drinking started. We were having good fun listening to music and chatting. We came out briefly when the year changed and the fireworks went up on display. We were back inside the room within minutes. Everyone seem to have got high. The tequilas had done their magic on the girls but somehow we were holding the scotch. Alcohol incidentally is not so expensive in AC in stores hence we had now learned that we could avoid carrying the same unless it was for a specific age or brand which we would not get here. The girls got knocked off in the next hour and we had to put them to bed.

Now Blanqui and myself were left with two knocked out girls on bed in my room sleeping on the bed and nothing to do. We decided to hit Walking Street again for some fun. It was approx. 2 am. We took the shuttle within minutes after putting up a "DND" sign outside my room.

We went to:

[B]Champagne: [/B]I was not able to get the Champagne girl out of my head so we went back there. Unfortunately she was not there and must have been barfined by the Korean customer I thought. Few girls on stage and nothing interesting we moved out.

[B]Equus: [/B]There were approx 3 girls on stage and looked extremely tired. We had to move on.

[B]Voodoo: [/B]No girl on stage but the bar was full. All girls had been taken. We waited for 5 minutes but none came to take our order. Everyone seemed busy and drunk in the new year's. We moved on.

[B]Club Adriatico: [/B]As soon as we entered the waitress told us that there were closing in 5 minutes. No luck here as well.

We didn't want to go to High Society as it seemed extremely crowded so we went back to Hotel. Blanqui woke his girl up and took her to his room. I showered and went to sleep. When I woke up in the morning Ivy was cuddled up to my back. She was now sober and had cleaned herself up. I had my morning wood so we started kissing. She tasted sweet. I wondered if she would have been awake last night maybe I would have been able to have more fun. Ivy was slightly heavy on her lower body and bearing two children had done the damage to her stomach and thighs. Her be sized breasts were saggy and she was clean shaven. It wasn't so bad and I continued. We started in missionary and I finished in doggy soon after. Good kissing and BBBJ. It was a decent session. I let her go with a 200 peso tip shortly.

Overall experience: 6.5/10.

[B]January 1 (Day 6: Friday)
[/B]I was up by noon and wanted to check out the Perimeter road bars. I had Foxy, Honey Kos and Firepit on my mind. I started walking towards Friendship jeepney terminal. All the bars barring a few were closed. I saw Afterskool open and went in. There were 3 girls on stage and they also looked tired for the earlier evening party. I moved to Roadies beside. There were 4 girls on stage. One looked good but I was not really convinced on taking her. I moved on to check if other bars would be open. I hiked upto the Friendship Highway where I felt as if I had accidently entered a Korean village. All shops and restaurants seemed to have a signboard in Korean. I turned back because it was like walking in a dead street. Everything was closed. On the way back I thought of going back to Roadies and picking up the girl. I was late. A convoy of Korean men had come and picked all 4 girls. The bar was closing down due to no girl being available now. What a New Year bummer.

I came and lazed around for a while. By 3 pm Blanqui was up and about. We headed to Bierkeuche Snack House in the afternoon near Josephville Sub-division 1. Amazing assortment of German craft beers and some hearty German sausages. We tanked ourselves up till we could not drink and eat anymore. Tried all the beer available. Also met the master brewer Michael who spoke to us for a while about his passion in beer brewing. It was a great afternoon. We had to walk our way back to the Hotel because we were so full. Definitely recommended.

We were back to Walking Street in the evening and visited these bars:

[B]Champagne: [/B]Started our evening hunt. I opted for a coffee as I was too full from the large meal in the afternoon. Few girls compared to earlier evening. None floated my boat so we moved on.

[B]Shipwrecked: [/B]Blanqui had identified a girl whom he wanted to BF from the last visit so we went here. I fooled around with the waitresses. Mary looked extremely horny and was asking me to take her. She had my hands on her big melons before I could realise. There weren't any girls on stage interesting for me so I held back. Blanqui took his girl and left for the hotel.

[B]Monsoon: [/B]It started pouring so I went in for a drink. Couldn't sit for more than 15 minutes there.

[B]Stardust: [/B]I wanted to check if the waitress was there as she seemed to be a bubbly and fun girl. She was on leave.

[B]Bunker: [/B]I got out as soon as I entered.

[B]Arcadia: [/B]I got out as soon as I entered.

[B]Champagne: [/B]I went back to Champagne as it was really pouring now and I didn't want to be out soaking myself. Once inside I got a seat near the entrance. I immediately saw the PYT girl getting up on stage. I got the waitresses to immediately call her over before someone else got her. She was seated beside me within minutes. Apple flavoured beer ordered for her. We got talking. Her name was Rowena. She was a sweet and petite girl with a lovely smile. When I asked her if she barfined she dropped the nuke on me. She was a cherry girl. If I remember it well I thought she went with a Korean guy a couple of nights ago. I didn't pursue further. But looking at her body I was doubting that she was a cherry girl. But I am not an expert nor God.

[B]Shipwrecked: [/B]I went back and barfined Mary. 2400 pesos.

Took her to the Hotel. She was a mature girl with Jollibee loaded in all the right places but had a good vibe. As far as I had a good fuck I did not care. We got settled with a drink. She went for a shower and got on to bed. She was a great kisser. Experience does come with its benefits. She also gave me a great BBBJ. She has be+ sized breasts and was sporting a Bush. We had a good fucking session starting with doggy, spoon and ending in missionary. I was happy with the session.

Overall experience: 7/10.

A few hours later by around 1 am I got a call from Blanqui that he had let his girl go and wanted to go out again. I was happy with one session hence rather than keeping Mary waiting I let her go. A mistake in hindsight. We went to Kings Landing where Blanqui got another gal. Again, someone he had eyed the previous night. I just didn't feel like hitting bars again so decided to retire for the night. I should have asked Mary to stay back but it was too late now.

[B]January 2 (Day 7: Saturday)
[/B]We went to Neop Quad, Blanqui's girl in tow. We wanted to visit Bifs Smoke and Grill. Though the hotel shuttle dropped us there they charged us 420 peso. We should have negotiated with a trike guy instead. The food was worth the visit. We had some amazing Pork Ribs, Steak and Burger. Washed it down with a Corona. Blanqui's gal negotiated with a trike guy and dropped us back to hotel in 250 pesos. The same trike took away Blanqui's girl too.

After lazing for some time we went to Perimeter Road around 4. 30 pm:

[B]Patches: [/B]First bar we went to. Quite a big bar with nice decor. Pity there were only 4 girls on stage and none of them interested me.

[B]Honey Kos: [/B]Average gals, we were out soon.

[B]Ice Bar: [/B]Average gals, we were out soon.

[B]Firepit: [/B]Good selection of girls. I was wondering why we didn't visit here earlier. Almost 20+ girls between 2 changes. I liked one and got her to my table. She told me her name was Angel. I doubted but it didn't matter. Angel had a seductive smile and I was already enjoying having her beside me. She had this long gaze in her eyes which were quite inviting and I wanted to get back to the Hotel as soon as I could. Bar fine was 1500 and she had to return by 9 pm. I had almost 3 hours on hand.

Called for the shuttle and we were inside the room in 10 minutes. As soon as we entered Angel went to get a shower. I followed. We were on bed and kissing in no time. She had good be sized breasts and I loved sucking on them. She was smelling sweet and was extremely horny. She came when I was kissing and fingering her. Looks like I had got the quintessential horny Pinay girl that I had heard always about. She was adept at BBBJ and gave an excellent one licking my balls and the entire genital area. She then feasted herself on my nipples while wanking me. I stopped her and entered in missionary. Few minutes later she asked her to pick her up which I obliged. She enjoyed fucking in the sitting position with her legs wrapped around my back. I couldn't hold this way longer so I went on my back. She seemed to enjoy the WOT and was almost ready to make me finish. I had to stop her and turn her over to doggy and finish. We lay there panting for few minutes. She cleaned me and came back, cuddled up to me. I needed a smoke as it has been a really good fuck.

I got ourselves beer and we lay there chatting and knowing about each other. We must have talked for 15 minutes when her hand was already on my dick and she was trying to get it up. Well she seemed like a magician. I was hard again soon. We started kissing and enjoying each other. Continued fondling and sucking each other's lips for some time. She had a Bush and I didn't feel like DATY so didn't try. She went down of me and was giving me a good licking. I had to stop her and entered her sideways face to face. Her right leg on my back. We did this way for some time then she turned over and I entered her from behind. She liked this position as well as I could get a handful of her breasts while kissing and thrusting her from behind. I eventually finished in missionary. It had been an hour into the room and we were already done with two sessions. I now needed a break so switched on the TV. Tried to talk to her. She went and cleaned herself, came back and lay beside me. We conversed for a few minutes when her hand was back on my dick. I was shocked. The girl wanted another pop. I just was not in the mood. I had never met such a horny Pinay till date. I told her that I need to rest for some time and she can watch TV or go and take a swim in the pool. She wasn't interested in either and started kissing me. I had to request her to stop which seemed to put her off. I didn't care. She was a nymphomaniac raring to go for multiple sessions without a slight hint of tiredness. I was no match for her.

By 8 pm I got a call from Blanqui that we need to hit the bars being our last night in AC. I had to let Angel go anyways at 9 pm so I decided to leave her early. I gave her 300 peso tip and thanked her for her company. I was also wondering if she would have stayed the entire night I might have got hospitalized the next day due to exhaustion. Not met any working girl till date who would want 3 pops in 90 minutes. She was indeed a sweet gem.

Overall experience: 9/10.

We were out to Walking Street around 9 pm. Bars we went to were:

[B]Viking: [/B]I had liked a girl from Viking during my earlier visit but could not take her as I was already accompanied. I wanted to BF her on the last night. We got in and seated ourselves. The Bar manager, a Kopino gent was pushy for us to select a girl. We deferred and waited for the change when I didn't see her on stage. There were approx. 30+ girls but most of them suited for Korean taste. Small and petite, doll like features, lots of surgery presumably. Meanwhile Blanqui had his first rejection of his trip. When the girls changed I could see the girl I had come to the bar for. I showed the Manager the girl I wanted. He went and came back. My first rejection of the night. Girl was not feeling well and didn't want to go out. Why the hell was she on stage than. We knew why she didn't want to to go. We settled our tab and moved on. We also now got a first-hand experience of the collective wisdom shared on this forum about girls not wanting to shag customers.

[B]Champagne: [/B]We had started to like the ambience and vibe of this bar. We went in for a drink. The waitress got friendly with us as she had stayed in Singapore few years back and we got chatting. Meanwhile I saw Rowena walk up to a customer for drink. I asked waitress about her. She also told me that Rowena was a cherry girl. It didn't make sense to me but I ignored.

[B]Club Ra (Grand Pharoah): [/B]We had been walking everyday past this bar and because funnily a Korean restaurant named "Tarana" had opened on the ground floor we thought the club was history. Also, it wasn't lit up with neon signs like other bars. But this night a door girl was standing and she called us in. Up the lift we entered Club Ra on level 3. The place was huge like Atlantis. It was full. Some really hot girls on stage, approx. 20+. We were greeted by the owner, an Aussie gent. We settled onto a sofa near the side of the stage. We got a good view of the girls standing on two levels from here. I immediately had my eyes on 3 of them and was evaluating mentally which one to pick. Two of the girls got called out and went to the tables. I called for the 3rd girl before she was also picked by someone else. Jackie was beside me in minutes. She was extremely cute. She must have been 5' with be sized breasts. We got talking when the show started. There were almost 3 or 4 set of dancers each set consisting of 4 girls if I remember well. The show went on for a full 30 minutes. The advantage of Club Ra as we saw was that while the regular girls were 3000 peso the dancers were also available for BF. Their prices were 3600 pesos. This immediately doubles the choice for anyone wanting to choose. But after what we have seen at Atlantis, it is possible that the girls BF but don't partake in sex. Yes, this is possible.

We settled the tab and were back to Hotel. We had few drinks and ordered some room service as all of us were famished. It was almost 1 am by the time we decided to split. I wanted to pack up before we slept and avoid the morning rush. Jackie went in for a shower. I told her where the towels were. She came back and lied on the bed. I told her that I needed to pack and will join her in some time. I finished my packing in the next 20 minutes and went to take a shower. When I entered the bathroom I could hear the Jacuzzi motor running. It seemed that Jackie had missed the separate shower area and had bathed herself in the Jacuzzi shower. I thanked my stars for the motor not conking off as the tub was dry. It would have been a mess and a large bill to settle in the morning if I would have also gone to sleep with her.

When I came back on bed Jackie was fast asleep. I tried to shake her but she seemed tired so I went to sleep. I had a very wonderful 2 sessions in the evening and dint want to push it further.

[B]January 3 (Day 8: Sunday)
[/B]Jackie woke me up at 8 am. She was saying boom boom time. I told her to go to sleep and we would get at it later. She then told me that she had to go early as she needed to pay her electricity bill. I was not in the mood for a pop and didn't want to hold her back so I let her go with a 100 peso trike tip. I went back to sleep.

Overall Experience: 0/10.

We checked out at 12 am. Roy was there on time to take us to NAIA.

[B]Despite fears regarding the quality and quantity of girls this trip to Philippines had been really amazing. I met some really good gals and enjoyed their company. There were few rejections but nothing to dampen our spirits. We took them in stride and moved on. There were tons of girls available in Manila and AC. I was too picky as usual but every time I found someone to my taste.
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[B]I will return because "Its definitely more fun in the Philippines"
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Very nice, thorough reports and I thank you for taking the time to write them. I'm also glad you were satisfied with Roy's service. He's a really good guy and I hope you'll pass his contact information to others who may need safe and efficient transportation between Manila and Angeles.

GE.

I was out last night on Fields ave at around 10:30 pm and I've never seen so few mongers out. It was a Sunday night, but even so. I would have expected more people.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1823905]Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.[/QUOTE]Would there be an Angeles City w / out the bars? Mr E forgets where is bread is buttered. Angeles City would not be Angeles City unless there were guys willing to buy a BG a drink.

Guys who buy LDs are only responsible for supporting the AC scene. Guys on vacation want to live it up, they want what they want. You can find your freelancers because there is a thriving AC bar scene. You should be grateful to the mongers who patronize the bars. Now over tipping is another story, that's not cool LOL!

As Natty said before, "it's the internet". If you want to point fingers go to the mirror. We all benefit from the internet and we'll suffer the consequences of it too.

Cheers Bro.

[QUOTE=DonaldSucks;1824113]Seriously? What is 1000 p to us (maybe half an hour work if you earn like average). [/QUOTE]I know Norway is a rich country but even there I think 1000 PhP (about 21 USD or 19 EUR) for only half an hour work is way above average.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1824515]I know Norway is a rich country but even there I think 1000 PhP (about 21 USD or 19 EUR) for only half an hour work is way above average.[/QUOTE]Yes average wage in Norway is quite lower. Based on a Google search "In Norway, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 33,492 a year". This is $16.75 per hour. So yes his number is a gross overestimate.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1824515]I know Norway is a rich country but even there I think 1000 PhP (about 21 USD or 19 EUR) for only half an hour work is way above average.[/QUOTE]I agree I did only write this with airing my thumb. US17 per hour is the minimum anyone can get paid in Norway according to law. But I know gvmnt official like police and custom officers earning like 2000 pisos per hour (not high ranking) and that's pretty normal jobs ID think. But again your right, I am sorry.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1824515]I know Norway is a rich country...[/QUOTE]I'm afraid Norway ain't no rich country anymore with $30 oil. If this continues Skogis may have to start shopping for value beaver along with the Aussies.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1824269]Very nice, thorough reports and I thank you for taking the time to write them. I'm also glad you were satisfied with Roy's service. He's a really good guy and I hope you'll pass his contact information to others who may need safe and efficient transportation between Manila and Angeles.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks GE for spending the time to read them. Really appreciate it.

Roy is an absolute gentleman. We were very impressed with his punctuality, patience and driving skills. Extremely safe and efficient. I would always recommend to avail his services if two or more people are travelling between Manila and AC. He sure will pick you on time no matter where you are staying. Its simply worth it.

I have been sharing and will continue to share his nos whenever asked for a recommended transport between Manila & AC.

Continued from Manila thread.

December 30 (Day 4: Wednesday).

Took Roy's great taxi service and reached AC just in time for the check-in. Now while Illusion's room was upgraded, I got screwed. I had clearly asked for a smoking room and they offered me a non-smoking room and apologized saying there was no smoking room currently available. To add insult to injury I was given Room # 414. Those who know the LGH will concur that this room is really at the back of beyond and can take a full 5 minute walk to just get to the lift. I was seething, but I had little choice. The pretty girl at the reception Jhovey said she would change the room for me the next day. I nodded and took the key card.

The good thing is that most of the hotel staff remembered me from the last lvisit and were very friendly and courteous.

My first job was to take my used clothes and get it to a laundry. There is one called Fields Laundry Service just up the road after ABC Hotel. The sweet aatey took my clothes and processed them and gave me a receipt for 173 P (roughly SGD 6). Now back home in Singapore this would have cost me at least SGD 50. What a country!

Next I joined Illusion at Ponytail. 1 drink was enough to get out of there. My fears of AC having no quality & no quantity were resurfacing. Soon we were back at the hotel for a nap and then we hit Walking Street by 8:00 pm. Illusion has provided an excellent coverage of all the bars we visited, I may have done 1 or 2 less and then 1 or 2 more over the next 4 days. The ones I covered in addition to what is already mentioned were Camelot & Lune Time. I did not venture out to Afterskool & Roadies, as I was busy in my room at that time. So I will cut to the chase on my picks over the next 4 days.

I got my girl Caren at Kings Landing. 24 yo, 1 kid, superbly maintained body, not an ounce of fat anywhere except for the right places. Great firm boobs and pert ass. I was amazed at this girl's body. She came up on stage in the 2nd rotation and our eyes met. I knew this was the one I wanted. Barfine of 2400 P + 2 drinks for mme + 1 LD each for the mamasan and Caren.

Back in the room, Caren was near perfect GF material. Spoke less and did more. Very accommodative and cooperative. Tried everything I wanted to. She even lit up a smoke for me after we were finished with the first round. As I lay spent, she got a wet towel and cleaned me up. I was quite tired from the day before and the travel so I decided to sleep early for a change. I was asleep by 1 am.

I woke at 8:00 am and I saw Caren was up and about in the bathroom. I went and joined her in the shower for some real steamy shower sex.

We came back and lay on bed for a while and cuddled and talked. She was now opening up and she shared a lot about herself, her family and her kid, her ex-boyfriend who got her pregnant and then dumped her. It is quite painful to hear these stories of despair but then I have now heard so many that it fails to make any deep impact. I knew it was time to send her off. By now it was 11:00 am and I saw a text from Illusion about wanting to visit the Perimeter bars that open by noon. So I tipped this lovely girl 500 P and sent her away with a big new year wish. She was delighted and asked me to pick her again the following night. I nodded and sent her on her way.

Overall experience: 8/10. Maybe a repeat too.

December 31 (Day 5: Thursday).

After Caren left I called Illusion and we headed to Kokomos for our meal. I called for my favorite eggs benedict and coffee. Terrible food. Something has changed at this place and I don't like it.

We then headed to the bars on Perimeter Road. We went into the below mentioned bars:

After scouting a few bars I found this real cute spinner at Candy's. Juliet was only 18 yo and had started working only a month ago, had been barfined only twice, both by Kimchi boys. The first one apparently took her cherry for 20,000 P. Wonder how much she got to keep of that money. She admitted she was a bit scared that I might hurt her, but she gamely agreed upon the coaxing from Illusion's girl. 1500 P barfine, how bad can it be? Very bad as I found out.

Back in the room by 3:30 pm things started well with some kissing and fondling. This girl had a lovely taut body and I was getting really hard. But when she set her eyes on my tool she turned pale and started shaking. She was visibly terrified. Now I am not exactly hung like Tarzan but I can hold my own in a pissing contest. Now I took pity on this poor girl, fresh off the farm and told her to give me a good blowjob. Which she tried in all earnest but she simply did not have the experience or the skill. She used both her hands to move up and down the shaft while she really only kissed and licked and half-mouther the head. Maybe the whole thing went into her buccal cavity a few times but it came out fast. No real sucking. I lost interest and told her to stop and get going. Gave her a 100 P tip and sent her packing.

Overall experience: 4/10 only because she had a really nice body.

Thankfully, to keep my mind occupied away from this disaster, I got a call from the hotel reception about my room change. They had upgraded me to a bigger room on a smoking floor. Small pleasures, well received. But still a long walk from the lift. Now by the time I moved rooms and got myself set up in the new room it was almost 6:30 pm. Time to shower and hit the bars on Walking Street. Illusion wanted to be early in picking a girl, so that we could spend the New Year back in the hotel with company, away from the maddening crowds. Kids on the street were boisterous and reckless with their firecrackers. I agreed, I wanted to take no chances.

After a couple of bars on Walking Street I had a brainwave. In my last visit I had met a firecracker at Angelwitch and I wondered if she would be around. If so, I was prepared to barfine her without much thought. So I spilt to Angelwitch and called for a beer and started scanning the place for Maria Fe. Actually she found me after 20 minutes when she came up on stage. She had changed her hair style and her make up made her look very different. She waved to me from the stage and I waved back in a circumspect manner, thinking who this could be. After a while she came down and sat next to me. That is when I recognized her. The moment of connection was intense. We started kissing and making out right there in the bar. 3000 P barfine + 2 drinks for me + 2 LD for Maria Fe. In the meantime Illusion had also done well for himself. We set off to the hotel by 10:30 pm. Rather early, but that was the plan.

Illusion called us over to his room to partake in the new year celebration. I thought it would be a great idea to get the girls into the mood. But as things would turn out, both girls got knocked out after half a dozen tequila shots. Of course by then the calendar had changed over to 2016 and fireworks had gone off and I was horny. So I suggested to Illusion to go back to Walking Steert for some more fun. We left the girls in Illusion's room and headed out. Bad decision, most bars were empty or shutting down. We returned in an hour and decided to go to bed and address matters in the morning.

So I took my girl Maria Fe with me to my room and put her to bed and also slept myself. Come morning by 10 am as I woke Maria Fe also was stirring. I put my arm around her and hugged her. She responded well with a kiss and started playing with my chest and nipples. What followed was sweet love. The passion and hunger in doing someone you have been thinking about for a while is simply out of this world. Maria Fe was equally turned on and we both matched move for move and our bodies moved in rhythm. Finally I exploded inside her and lay coiled after for a long time. This! I did not want to go anywhere, neither did Maria Fe. I saw Illusion's text about heading towards Friendship Terminal to check out bars there. I politely declined and went back to cuddling Maria Fe which was followed by another round of great sex. I love to watch Maria move when she is riding me reverse cowgirl and cowgirl. I finished in that position. I finally let her go only by 3:00 pm, as she had to start work by 6:00 pm. I gave her a big 500 P tip and she was smiling & shining like a star atop a Christmas tree.

Overall experience: 8. 5/10.

January 1 (Day 6: Friday).

Illusion and I headed to Bierkueche Snack House by 4:00 pm near Josephville Sub-division 1. Great beers, rock bottom prices and fantastic German food. Tried every beer brew available and ate like hogs. We walked back to the Hotel to burn off some of the ingested food. Highly recommended.

After a short while we hit the bars again on Walking Street. This time I picked a cute girl named Samantha from Shipwrecked. 2400 P barfine + 1 drink for me + 1 drink for Samantha. I went back to the hotel to start my business with Samantha, while Illusion was still hunting for his quarry.

Back in the room Samantha had everything going right for her. Started with a nice deep kiss all the way in, followed by an excellent BBBJ. Then I started to kiss and fondle her boobs. After that things went sour as I moved down south from her boobs. Smelly pussy. I was turned off. So I got the condom on banged her mercilessly in missionary and doggy, finished up and asked her to leave. She could not understand what happened. But then with a tip of 200 P she did not stick around long to satisfy her curiosity.

Overall experience: 6. 5/10.

Here is where I think I screwed Illusion's plans a bit by calling him. I should have headed back to Walking Street on my own as it was still only 1 am. Illusion, being the dude that he is, let go of his girl and joined me on the hunt at WS. I went straight to King's Landing and picked my girl Caren. 2400 P barfine + 1 drink for me. Illusion looked around a bit but could not find anyone else. Disappointment for him.

Needless to say, the rest of my night went very well with Caren. I asked her to stay for lunch. She agreed.

January 2 (Day 7: Saturday).

We went to Nepo Quad, to visit Bif's Smoke and Grill. Now I am a burger guy and I can easily say this was among the best ever burgers I have eaten. The baby back ribs were also stupendous. My girl Caren tucked into a junior burger too. More points for her. I love a girl who can eat a messy burger and not be bothered about her fingernails.

We returned to the hotel by 3:00 pm and I sent Caren away after much hugging and kissing. What a sweet girl. Certainly worth keeping in touch with.

After lazing for some time we went to Perimeter Road around 4. 30 pm:

After visiting a rash of bars starting with Patches, we settled in at Firepit where I picked a cute farm girl named Amy. 1500 P barfine. Took her back and went straight for a shower as I was feeling quite hot and sweaty from the walk. After I showered and got out Amy wen tfor her shower. I sat down outside in the balcony and enjoyed a smoke. Amy soon joined my in the balcony. I soon found out this was no shy farm girl. She dropped to her knees quickly and gave me an expert BBBJ right there in the balcony. We only had our bathrobes for modesty. After a thorough blowjob that lasted well over 25 minutes I staggered back into the room with Amy and bent her over the writing table for a good pounding from behind. She loved every bit of it as she kept squealing and moaning and beckoning the Lord. The act moved to the bed in missionary and then I finished with her on top. I let her go after that by 7:30 pm with a 200 P tip. She was gleaming as she left.

Overall experience: 8/10.

Last night in Angeles, so I called Illusion and soon we were at the bars on Walking Street by 9:00 pm. Illusion looked really happy this time around and I knew he had spent some good time with his girl from Firepit. Highly recommended bar.

Back to Walking Street, I had my first rejection in AC at Viking, where the girl said she did not feel too well. Why the fuck was she on stage then?

After a few more bars we finally landed up at Club Ra. This was previously named the Grand Pharaoh and recommended by several members on ISG. I went in only because the cute door girl Maila called out to me. I immediately knew I wanted this gem. An ass to die for, I took Maila with me upstairs for a drink and started talking to her as the other girls strutted their stuff on stage. Then came the "show". Energetic girls gyrating to fast paced music. Pure eye candy. And then I saw something I had only seen East Asians do before. A couple of black guys went up on the balcony level and made it rain in cash. There was major excitement all around. I would say the blokes blew around 5000 P. Chump change for them I guess, going by the heavy gold chains around their necks and fat rings on every finger of their hands.

Now the collection was excellent at Club Ra with more than 20 girls on stage for each rotation.

After a couple drinks for me and Maila she agreed to come with me. 3000 P barfine.

We settled the tab and were back to Hotel. We had couple of drinks and ordered some room service as all of us were quite hungry. So we spilt at 1 am. I went back to my room and showered with Maila and got her ample bosom and delicious ass into my hands. I decided I will do this girl exclusively in doggy style. One round right after the shower and the second round in the morning.

January 3 (Day 8: Sunday).

Maila was a sweet girl. She helped me pack my baggage as I had to check out by noon for my trip back to Manila. Roy was there on time to take us to NAIA. Smooth flight and back in Singapore at 9:40 pm. End of the winter break.

In summary, the fears regarding the quality and quantity of girls in Angeles were partly true. Someone spending a load of money and flying in from the US should think about this and plan accordingly. A week will not give you return on your investment. But stay longer and you will go insane, as there is nothing to do in AC after the first few days. The food continues to be the worst in the SEA region, although the tiny restaurants we visited were absolute delights. Pinay logic continues to baffle me. Pinay pussy continues to enthrall me.

I will definitely return soon. Thanks for reading.

Big thanks to both Blanquicelese and Illusion for their recent trip reports it was nice to read a report instead of the normal debates and arguments.

AC does seem to have slipped a little to me in talent during my last visit in October 2015 and there is also some decline overall in the girl's attitudes but there are still plenty of attractive girls that will stay all night and into the afternoon if they are having a good time with you. Yes there isn't much to do during the day and nighttime to for that matter besides the gogos. But AC is still a very good place to monger in. Intra-Asia airfare is normally pretty cheap my suggestion for those flying half way around the world is to not just hit AC but combine it with Pattaya or Bangkok or Phuket or Vietnam or KL and make it a 2-3 week trip.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1824606]Thanks GE for spending the time to read them. Really appreciate it.

Roy is an absolute gentleman. We were very impressed with his punctuality, patience and driving skills. Extremely safe and efficient. I would always recommend to avail his services if two or more people are travelling between Manila and AC. He sure will pick you on time no matter where you are staying. Its simply worth it.

I have been sharing and will continue to share his nos whenever asked for a recommended transport between Manila & AC.[/QUOTE]Great reports. More of these is what the forum really should have. Agree that AC can be both challenging and enthralling and that is what makes it special. Was there in October and visited most of the places mentioned. Fire pit was great as was Ra. The girls come in all shapes and sizes and finding one to your taste is not that hard. I will be there again around the 24th of Jan and look forward to checking out some of the other places mentioned. Thanks again for the reports.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1824540]I'm afraid Norway ain't no rich country anymore with $30 oil. If this continues Skogis may have to start shopping for value beaver along with the Aussies.[/QUOTE]Hehe, A lot of my money is invested in swiss franc (that's turned out well as it used to be around 4 nok for swiss franc but now its around 9 nok for a single swiss franc). So I will hang in there quite some time Is the aussies known for beeing particulare cheap? Then its the same, only for fun, we have aginst the swedish people.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1824671]Big thanks to both Blanquicelese and Illusion for their recent trip reports it was nice to read a report instead of the normal debates and arguments.

my suggestion for those flying half way around the world is to not just hit AC but combine it with Pattaya or Bangkok or Phuket or Vietnam or KL and make it a 2-3 week trip.[/QUOTE]Thank you Soldier, appreciate you reading the FR. Regarding visiting AC as a standalone destination IMHO as they say "Do whatever floats your boat".

[QUOTE=Axiata;1824792]Great reports. More of these is what the forum really should have. Thanks again for the reports.[/QUOTE]Always welcome Axiata. Hope you have a great time in your trip. Be safe and happy Mongering.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1824671]Big thanks to both Blanquicelese and Illusion for their recent trip reports it was nice to read a report instead of the normal debates and arguments.

AC does seem to have slipped a little to me in talent during my last visit in October 2015 and there is also some decline overall in the girl's attitudes but there are still plenty of attractive girls that will stay all night and into the afternoon if they are having a good time with you. Yes there isn't much to do during the day and nighttime to for that matter besides the gogos. But AC is still a very good place to monger in. Intra-Asia airfare is normally pretty cheap my suggestion for those flying half way around the world is to not just hit AC but combine it with Pattaya or Bangkok or Phuket or Vietnam or KL and make it a 2-3 week trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks Soldier for you kind words. You are correct about finding at least one bang for your buck every day in AC. Also, you are right about things to do, or rather the lack of it, while in AC. This is true for Manila as well. As for someone flying halfway around the world, IMHO 2 to 3 weeks also does not justify the costs. I would say plan a 2 month vacation and check out 3 countries in SEA. When you are on a longish kind of trip, you simply cannot expect to score every single night. You will run out of cash and energy soon.

There are some emerging models in SEA & North Asia, where agencies & independent operators offer "travel companions". Read some posts on the China thread for more information. If I were to plan such a visit I would pick Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia & Philippines. For a more seasoned traveller, I would suggest China, Taiwan, HKG & Macau. For the traveller seeking a higher quality experience I would suggest Korea & Japan with some more China thrown in. I think all these places offer good P4 P options and also "things to do during the day" while one is not mongering. With the proliferation of the internet and dating sites & apps, one could even plan ahead by chatting up with literally hundreds of potential travel companions and narrowing it down to a select few in each country.

Wait a sec. I am rambling, I need my coffee. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825147]For a more seasoned traveller, I would suggest China, Taiwan, HKG & Macau. For the traveller seeking a higher quality experience I would suggest Korea & Japan with some more China thrown in. I think all these places offer good P4 P options and also "things to do during the day" while one is not mongering.[/QUOTE]Living in this Part of Asia I totally agree about the "things to see". It should be mentioned though that the P4 P options, while generally available, are highly priced, for example in China. Taking out a standard girl from a bar in Shanghai or Beijing easily sets you back 150-200 USD. And that doesn't mean the quality is any better than your 40 USD girl some place in South East Asia. Many of us living in China or Korea have completely given up mongering here because of the value for money.

I have been away fro quite a while with the Philipines area, I wonder what I have read here is the usually for the bar, you pay Bar fine then that include the girls service for LT, just only give her tip after that? Because in Thailand the BF is just only for the bar to take the talent out but the so called service charge for the LT or ST is not inclusive. Furthermore, the different rate of BF is depend on each bar or depend on each girl within the same bar? How you differ between ST ro LT BF in this regard? Hope you guys enlightend me on this.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1825277]I have been away fro quite a while with the Philipines area, I wonder what I have read here is the usually for the bar, you pay Bar fine then that include the girls service for LT, just only give her tip after that? Because in Thailand the BF is just only for the bar to take the talent out but the so called service charge for the LT or ST is not inclusive. Furthermore, the different rate of BF is depend on each bar or depend on each girl within the same bar? How you differ between ST ro LT BF in this regard? Hope you guys enlightend me on this.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]You ought to clear your PM box. Here is my rough pm to you, that could not get through. Normally I do not post my rough PMs but here goes:

"Bar fine is determined by bar management.

Do not be optimistic about 'all night' , lots of Angeles girls leave after ST. If really likes you, stays LT.

Girl normally gets half of the BF and officially that is all she is entitled to. There is no other payment.

But 75% or more of guys give a tip, especially if she stays LT. Usually P200/500 tip. Up to you how much.

Girls who say LT but only stay ST get NO tip. She will have to be happy with her half of the bar fine. Regardless of her story she will most probably go back to the bar and try and get another bar fine. Makes more that way (promising LT but only doing ST with a story about "baby to be fed" bullshit story, LOL).

Better exchange rate in Phils too = sex can be cheaper in Phils.

History. With lots of police raids before (not now) some bars are worried that a new face / stranger could be working for cops. If you walk into a bar as stranger talk straight away about bar fine then they might be suspicious of you = say they do not bar fine.

On and on it goes, so much to pass on to a newbie, that will do for me. Goodbye"!

Hello folks,

I've spent a total of about a year living in Angeles City and stayed out of the bar scene until I broke up with a girlfriend and decided to venture out to Fields Avenue. I ended up going out nearly every night over a six month period. After a few months I began finding it very difficult to find a bar that offered that exciting, welcoming, entrance that I felt when I first started venturing the bars. I even started feeling like the bars knew who I was and would warn the girls that I wasn't a real visitor in Angeles.

The real purpose of my post is to propose an answer to all the negative articles I recently stumbled upon in a Google search. A small Angeles City news source cited an article from one of Harry The Horse's monthly posts. The article mentioned that there were huge 'wins' for some nameless (probably bogus) anti-trafficking group. The article quoted one of the reader's submissions to the effect of "Angeles bars are not what they used to be and are dying", and "The end of Fields Avenue". Other recent forum posts highlight lack of quality and action on the street.

I believe--but I could be wrong-- that these folks who are filling the internet with quality and quantity discrepancies are suffering from the same issue I had encountered after becoming too much of a known individual. Being a tourist in Angeles is much different than being a resident of Angeles City.

Salamat

I was wondering why Aussies (and some Norwegians) fuck, fight and drink themselves to death in short order after arriving in the Philippines. At first, most of the blame was attributed to currency collapse due to a fall in commodity prices. Then the Antechinus was discovered in Australia raising the possibility that Aussie mongers are genetically programmed to fuck, fight and drink themselves to death.

Scientists from the Queensland University of Technology (QUT) in Australia have discovered two new species of antechinus. A genus of tiny carnivorous marsupials whose males are wiped out each spring after mating themselves to death.

The antechinuses have become famous for their strange sexual habits. Each year, all the males in the species go on a mating and fighting rampage, which only ends when they're dead.

"The breeding period is basically two to three weeks of speed-mating, with testosterone-fuelled males coupling with as many females as possible, for up to 14 hours at a time," lead researcher Andrew Baker explained in a press release. "Ultimately, the testosterone triggers a malfunction in the stress hormone shut-off switch; the resulting rise in stress hormones causes the males' immune systems to collapse and they all drop dead before the females give birth to a single baby."

[URL]http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-find-new-species-of-marsupial-that-mate-themselves-to-death[/URL]

Like Aussies in AC, the antechinus is an endangered species. At a later date Brit behavior in Beaver Town will be analyzed using hog weed bonking beetles.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;1825277]I have been away fro quite a while with the Philipines area, I wonder what I have read here is the usually for the bar, you pay Bar fine then that include the girls service for LT, just only give her tip after that? Because in Thailand the BF is just only for the bar to take the talent out but the so called service charge for the LT or ST is not inclusive. Furthermore, the different rate of BF is depend on each bar or depend on each girl within the same bar? How you differ between ST ro LT BF in this regard? Hope you guys enlightend me on this.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]As long as I can remember Angeles City bars always made you pay the Bar Fine at the bar, which included the lady's "fees". Tips, as always, continue to be optional. Earlier, one could be in and out of a bar with a girl without spending on a single drink, but that is pretty much over now. The minimum investment is a bottle of water for yourself and a drink for the lady you choose.

Now over the years due to raids, law enforcement, etc there are bars which do not accept the Bar Fine (which includes the lady's fees) at the bar. They tell you give it directly to the lady accompanying you. This was what I experienced at Angelwitch on my recent trip 2 weeks back.

The range in AC has always been lower prices at Perimeter Road (after Lewis Grand) and higher prices on Walking Street. Potentially, 2 reasons:

1. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars are perceived to be less pretty or hot as compared to their Walking Street sisters.

2. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars almost, always have to go back to their homes, or wherever they live by 10 pm or midnight. So it ends up being short time, so to speak.

I never got the logic. You pick a girl at 2 pm in the afternoon and let her go by 10 pm in the evening, you have spent 8 hours. Yet, this is considered short time. But you pick a girl from a club at 2 am in the morning and she has to go at 8 am next morning. That is only 6 hours, but it is still considered long time. Who the fuck thought about this concept? I would like a friendly word with him. 5555.

Bars on Perimeter usually have one single price for the bar fine, ranging from 1500 P (Candy's Night Moves, FirePit) upto 2500 P (Patches). Ponytails starts at 2500 P and has 2 categories of girls. Most of the bigger bars on Walking Street have 2 or sometimes 3 different categories for Bar Fine prices. These will usually be segregated as Door Girls / Waitresses, Stage Girls and Dancers. You might come across the ultra hot door girl who does not know her true worth. Read my report, you will see what I mean. Dancers command a premium simply because they appear sexier when they are dancing. I have never understood the logic.

Finally, ST or LT. Back in the day the concept of ST did not exist. It is a relatively new phenomenon in AC, possibly adopted from the Thailand business model.

P.S. - The Makati model is most lucrative. Bars like Bottoms on Burgos charge 3900 P as Bar Fine + 3000 P for the girl to stay till 7 am in the morning. Whoa!

Angeles City—An American hotel owner here has been missing since Nov. 7 last year, and his business friends expressed fear he has been abducted or killed.

The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.

Concerned.

Some expatriates on Fields Avenue, the city's entertainment district, have expressed fear that he may have been abducted or killed, said a concerned American who contacted the Inquirer.

Others thought he went hiding for reasons they could not say, the source said.

A material science engineer from California, Yakich came to Angeles City more than 10 years ago. He is said to be in his early 40's.

The United States Embassy in Manila, through its spokesperson, Kurt Hoyer, declined to comment on the case of Yakich, citing privacy concerns.

Yakich's relatives in the United States have informed the embassy of his case, the American source said.

Passport.

Police said Yakich's Filipino girlfriend is keeping his passport, indicating he has not left the Philippines.

The website [URL]3Dprint.com[/URL]'s last post about the businessman was on Sept. 8, citing his use of 3 D printing for the hotel's expansion.

Yakich has not been involved in any criminal or civil case in Angeles City, police said. Tonette Orejas, Inquirer Central Luzon.

Read more: [URL]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/753489/cops-clueless-on-american-hotel-owners-disappearance[/URL]#ixzz3 x9 DKzy2's.

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1;1825440]The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.

[/QUOTE]The hotel is a lovely property and I dread to think what would happen to it without the owner looking after daily affairs. Leave it to the locals, they will run it to the ground and bury it. Paradise lost!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825147]Thanks Soldier for you kind words. You are correct about finding at least one bang for your buck every day in AC. Also, you are right about things to do, or rather the lack of it, while in AC. This is true for Manila as well. As for someone flying halfway around the world, IMHO 2 to 3 weeks also does not justify the costs. I would say plan a 2 month vacation and check out 3 countries in SEA. When you are on a longish kind of trip, you simply cannot expect to score every single night. You will run out of cash and energy soon.

There are some emerging models in SEA & North Asia, where agencies & independent operators offer "travel companions". Read some posts on the China thread for more information. If I were to plan such a visit I would pick Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia & Philippines. For a more seasoned traveller, I would suggest China, Taiwan, HKG & Macau. For the traveller seeking a higher quality experience I would suggest Korea & Japan with some more China thrown in. I think all these places offer good P4 P options and also "things to do during the day" while one is not mongering. With the proliferation of the internet and dating sites & apps, one could even plan ahead by chatting up with literally hundreds of potential travel companions and narrowing it down to a select few in each country.

Wait a sec. I am rambling, I need my coffee. Cheers![/QUOTE]I read for years about Angeles cities reputation for having nothing to do besides the bars. Most will say that you can do much of what needs to be done in the city in 3-4 nights. I like to say that If your intentions are to party hard drink fuck and not sleep Then any party town (Las Vegas Bangkok Ect Ect) will beat you down after 3-4 days. What a long term stay in AC allows you to do is move at much slower pace.

AC is very centrally located to move about the island of Luzon in either direction 2 hrs and you will find almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes. The problem is a lot of people just stay in a 1 mile strip an don; t venture off fields. A long term stay allows you to also waste a few days looking for that special girl in the bars. No way you can fully hunt more then 4-6 bars a night so with 40 good bars to pick from at least you need at least 2 weeks to fully vent them all.

Don't underestimate the long term stay value.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825360]As long as I can remember Angeles City bars always made you pay the Bar Fine at the bar, which included the lady's "fees". Tips, as always, continue to be optional. Earlier, one could be in and out of a bar with a girl without spending on a single drink, but that is pretty much over now. The minimum investment is a bottle of water for yourself and a drink for the lady you choose.

Now over the years due to raids, law enforcement, etc there are bars which do not accept the Bar Fine (which includes the lady's fees) at the bar. They tell you give it directly to the lady accompanying you. This was what I experienced at Angelwitch on my recent trip 2 weeks back.

The range in AC has always been lower prices at Perimeter Road (after Lewis Grand) and higher prices on Walking Street. Potentially, 2 reasons:

1. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars are perceived to be less pretty or hot as compared to their Walking Street sisters.

2. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars almost, always have to go back to their homes, or wherever they live by 10 pm or midnight. So it ends up being short time, so to speak.

I never got the logic. You pick a girl at 2 pm in the afternoon and let her go by 10 pm in the evening, you have spent 8 hours. Yet, this is considered short time. But you pick a girl from a club at 2 am in the morning and she has to go at 8 am next morning. That is only 6 hours, but it is still considered long time. Who the fuck thought about this concept? I would like a friendly word with him. 5555.

Bars on Perimeter usually have one single price for the bar fine, ranging from 1500 P (Candy's Night Moves, FirePit) upto 2500 P (Patches). Ponytails starts at 2500 P and has 2 categories of girls. Most of the bigger bars on Walking Street have 2 or sometimes 3 different categories for Bar Fine prices. These will usually be segregated as Door Girls / Waitresses, Stage Girls and Dancers. You might come across the ultra hot door girl who does not know her true worth. Read my report, you will see what I mean. Dancers command a premium simply because they appear sexier when they are dancing. I have never understood the logic.

Finally, ST or LT. Back in the day the concept of ST did not exist. It is a relatively new phenomenon in AC, possibly adopted from the Thailand business model.

P.S. - The Makati model is most lucrative. Bars like Bottoms on Burgos charge 3900 P as Bar Fine + 3000 P for the girl to stay till 7 am in the morning. Whoa![/QUOTE]I have found LT much easier to obtain on perimeter then fields at a much better value. 2 pm pick ups LT gets you a longer long time for a much better price. Its also my observation that while the picking may be a bit thinner in a perimeter bar to find a good looker I have found pretty good talent there and they are a much better likelihood for GFE with them over the fields bar girls.


My advise is if you want ST go fields girls if you want LT go perimeter. The perimeter bars are run for expats and they are slower paced. Fields are for the party like a rock star mongers.
Agree on the hot door girl concept They are just has hot has any dancer in the bar a lot of the times they just don;t know it. Nothing better then unwrapping one of those presents and striking gold

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825801]I read for years about Angeles cities reputation for having nothing to do besides the bars. Most will say that you can do much of what needs to be done in the city in 3-4 nights. I like to say that If your intentions are to party hard drink fuck and not sleep Then any party town (Las Vegas Bangkok Ect Ect) will beat you down after 3-4 days. What a long term stay in AC allows you to do is move at much slower pace.

AC is very centrally located to move about the island of Luzon in either direction 2 hrs and you will find almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes. The problem is a lot of people just stay in a 1 mile strip an don; t venture off fields. A long term stay allows you to also waste a few days looking for that special girl in the bars. No way you can fully hunt more then 4-6 bars a night so with 40 good bars to pick from at least you need at least 2 weeks to fully vent them all.

Don't underestimate the long term stay value.[/QUOTE]Streetlooker, what you state is indeed a very well-informed and knowledgeable point. Perhaps, as a long term resident, one comes to embrace the place and also has the time and motivation to explore what place has to offer. Surely, there is a reason why there are so many elderly men settled here in AC.

The point I was making was purely from a travel perspective. When someone is flying half the way around the world for a few weeks or even a couple of months, one would like to pack in as many things as possible in that trip. I am always amazed how fast time is spent while on holiday. And then once back home, time crawls till your next trip out. In that context, you will agree that having "things to do or see" makes a big difference in choosing a destination.

P.S. - I must look up information on what you said about "almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes" 5555.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825805]I have found LT much easier to obtain on perimeter then fields at a much better value. 2 pm pick ups LT gets you a longer long time for a much better price. Its also my observation that while the picking may be a bit thinner in a perimeter bar to find a good looker I have found pretty good talent there and they are a much better likelihood for GFE with them over the fields bar girls.


My advise is if you want ST go fields girls if you want LT go perimeter. The perimeter bars are run for expats and they are slower paced. Fields are for the party like a rock star mongers.
Agree on the hot door girl concept They are just has hot has any dancer in the bar a lot of the times they just don;t know it. Nothing better then unwrapping one of those presents and striking gold[/QUOTE]I don't know if its easier or harder to find LT on Perimeter v / s Fields. Its about the perception of what constitutes at LT. And I have to agree about finding a great girl on Perimeter. In a recent report IllusiionHeart shared about a couple of goldmines he found on perimeter. I found one too in that same trip.

Very true about the design of bars on Fields v / s Perimeter. Built for speed v / s built for comfort.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825805]I have found LT much easier to obtain on perimeter then fields at a much better value. 2 pm pick ups LT gets you a longer long time for a much better price. Its also my observation that while the picking may be a bit thinner in a perimeter bar to find a good looker I have found pretty good talent there and they are a much better likelihood for GFE with them over the fields bar girls.


My advise is if you want ST go fields girls if you want LT go perimeter. The perimeter bars are run for expats and they are slower paced. Fields are for the party like a rock star mongers.
Agree on the hot door girl concept They are just has hot has any dancer in the bar a lot of the times they just don;t know it. Nothing better then unwrapping one of those presents and striking gold[/QUOTE]The fun in LT is not the length of time together. It is sleeping together all night. Some girls are so horny or sometimes you are so horny, wake up each other to have sex. Of course morning woody is taken care of as well. One time I took a nice girl from one of the perimeter bars at about 2 pm. I usually wait till at least 9-10 pm. After we did the deed took a nap. Another round and we went for dinner and bar hopping. Came back to the room and had one more round. By this time we are tired of each other although the agreement was LT.

It is easier to take the girl at night and some stay till next afternoon.

Short trip report, perimeter road and fields ave, 8th-9th January 2016.

Friday 8th was a daytime bar hop on perimeter road, 5 guys started near petron / candy bar and ended up at mirrors, taking in some 15 bars.

Candy bar, walked in, walked out,8 girls on stage, not worth even one drink, this pattern was the same for the first handful of bars.

Best bar out of all was mirrors by a long way, good air con, tasty food,15-18 girls on stage,good dance routines,1 girl cute if not stunner, very cold beer, good wait staff, stayed for 2 beers, called the cutie over, mary anne,20 from davao, she proceeded to sit close, hand on my thigh and big smile on her face, first thought, this could be promising, after some chat and giggles from her it was established that in fact mary anne was a cherry girl / virgin, damage only 1 lady drink but looked like I would be heading home alone.

To sum up perimeter bars and admittedly we did not enter all bars, out of 15 bars entered we had just the 1 beer in 6 bars,2 beers and food in mirrors, the rest we walked in and walked back out, girls numbers well down in all bars, some bars just 5-6 girls on stage, mostly older, chubby, some bars no customers at all.

Field avenue bar report to follow in next few days,dont worry i do finally get laid.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825708]The hotel is a lovely property and I dread to think what would happen to it without the owner looking after daily affairs. Leave it to the locals, they will run it to the ground and bury it. Paradise lost![/QUOTE]Blanquiceleste,

You're right, Lewis is a genius when it comes to running that hotel and I hope he returns soon. The other co-owners are excellent as well. Hopefully if he doesn't come back those folks can carry on in his legacy. It's sad to think about him being gone, he is such a great person, thoughtful and very selfless.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825838]Streetlooker, what you state is indeed a very well-informed and knowledgeable point. Perhaps, as a long term resident, one comes to embrace the place and also has the time and motivation to explore what place has to offer. Surely, there is a reason why there are so many elderly men settled here in AC.

The point I was making was purely from a travel perspective. When someone is flying half the way around the world for a few weeks or even a couple of months, one would like to pack in as many things as possible in that trip. I am always amazed how fast time is spent while on holiday. And then once back home, time crawls till your next trip out. In that context, you will agree that having "things to do or see" makes a big difference in choosing a destination.

P.S. - I must look up information on what you said about "almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes" 5555.[/QUOTE]List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.

1. 24 HR go go bar.

2. movie at the mall.

3. casino gambling.

4. hike up a volcano.

5. Go to the Zoo.

6 ride go carts.

7. shop at the open market.

8 swim in hotel pool.

9. go to dinosaur park.

10 sleep in with your honey ko.

11. Watch sports world wide at phillies sports bar.

12 Play poker at the international pub.

13. Get a 2 HR message (happy ending optional).

14. Jet ski

15 kick it on the beach

[QUOTE=Sammon;1825865]The fun in LT is not the length of time together. It is sleeping together all night. Some girls are so horny or sometimes you are so horny, wake up each other to have sex. Of course morning woody is taken care of as well. One time I took a nice girl from one of the perimeter bars at about 2 pm. I usually wait till at least 9-10 pm. After we did the deed took a nap. Another round and we went for dinner and bar hopping. Came back to the room and had one more round. By this time we are tired of each other although the agreement was LT.

It is easier to take the girl at night and some stay till next afternoon.[/QUOTE]Girls from the perimeter bars will sleep all night till the next day with you. Take them at 3 in the afternoon send them back opening of the bar the next day most likely about 2 the next day do it all the time. Of course you must agree to terms beforehand.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1825879]Short trip report, perimeter road and fields ave, 8th-9th January 2016.

Friday 8th was a daytime bar hop on perimeter road, 5 guys started near petron / candy bar and ended up at mirrors, taking in some 15 bars.

Candy bar, walked in, walked out,8 girls on stage, not worth even one drink, this pattern was the same for the first handful of bars.

Best bar out of all was mirrors by a long way, good air con, tasty food,15-18 girls on stage,good dance routines,1 girl cute if not stunner, very cold beer, good wait staff, stayed for 2 beers, called the cutie over, mary anne,20 from davao, she proceeded to sit close, hand on my thigh and big smile on her face, first thought, this could be promising, after some chat and giggles from her it was established that in fact mary anne was a cherry girl / virgin, damage only 1 lady drink but looked like I would be heading home alone.

To sum up perimeter bars and admittedly we did not enter all bars, out of 15 bars entered we had just the 1 beer in 6 bars,2 beers and food in mirrors, the rest we walked in and walked back out, girls numbers well down in all bars, some bars just 5-6 girls on stage, mostly older, chubby, some bars no customers at all.

Field avenue bar report to follow in next few days,dont worry i do finally get laid.[/QUOTE]I absolutely can not stand when I pick a girl out of all the girls on stage and she is cherry. I am picking them cause I want to fuck them Huge disappointment when I find out I can't. Kills my mood on going back to that bar again for that trip also.

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1;1825440]Angeles CityAn American hotel owner here has been missing since Nov. 7 last year, and his business friends expressed fear he has been abducted or killed.

The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.

Concerned.

Some expatriates on Fields Avenue, the city's entertainment district, have expressed fear that he may have been abducted or killed, said a concerned American who contacted the Inquirer.

Others thought he went hiding for reasons they could not say, the source said.

A material science engineer from California, Yakich came to Angeles City more than 10 years ago. He is said to be in his early 40's..[/QUOTE]He sleeps with the fishes. The new powers are taking over and he did not want to cooperate. These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year. The construction site right before you enter fields was to have been a new gogo bar but the new powers did not want it. Look for a Starbucks opening on that site soon.

Chris

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825924]I absolutely can not stand when I pick a girl out of all the girls on stage and she is cherry. I am picking them cause I want to fuck them Huge disappointment when I find out I can't. Kills my mood on going back to that bar again for that trip also.[/QUOTE]In several cases, the virgin cock block is simply an easy way of refusing to shag a customer. Read IllusionHeart's report about a hottie in Champagne. We saw her go out with a Korean gent one night and the next night she says she is a cherry girl. On the third night the waitresses concurs that she (the girl in question) is a cherry girl. WTF! I don't think she went to play poker with the Korean.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825921]Girls from the perimeter bars will sleep all night till the next day with you. Take them at 3 in the afternoon send them back opening of the bar the next day most likely about 2 the next day do it all the time. Of course you must agree to terms beforehand.[/QUOTE]Could be my luck or my negotiation skills. I have never been able to get a Perimeter Road girl to stay over night. Each one of them had one reason or the other to go home or wherever they were headed to latest by midnight. Cinderellas all of them! Then again I have never paid a bar fine + tip of more than 1800P for any of these girls.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825918]List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.

15 kick it on the beach[/QUOTE]More info please. A real beach or the ABC?

Depends on the girl (as always). What a whiner, the guy who buys drinks for virgins. I absolutely adore those few minutes with the so-called virgin. If she is or isn't, what business it is of ours?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825972]In several cases, the virgin cock block is simply an easy way of refusing to shag a customer. Read IllusionHeart's report about a hottie in Champagne. We saw her go out with a Korean gent one night and the next night she says she is a cherry girl. On the third night the waitresses concurs that she (the girl in question) is a cherry girl. WTF! I don't think she went to play poker with the Korean.[/QUOTE]With all due respect you are totally wrong in your claims.

Many asians and especially koreans barfine cherry girls because they want to show off in front of their friends, be seen in the clubs, bars, out to dinner with an attractive girl, lets face it, although I do not think cherry girls should be in bars period they do happen to be the most attractive, younger, slimmer girls of most bargirls.

A very good friend of mine and a well known angeles bar owner repeats constantly on angeles based boards that cherry girls are some of the highest earning girls he employs, many guys like them, I have seen many asians barfine cherry girls over the years.

mary anne of mirrors offered to give a blow job and let me suck her pussy if I wanted to barfine her but I was not interested, both the mummy and the bar owner confirmed that mary anne was in fact cherry but is popular and goes out on barfines, not surprised, she was the only girl we saw on perimeter that was slim / young and cute.

Hello guys,

I am a complete newbie to "mongering" (I guess it means sex tourism) and I am trying to obtain all the possible information before going somewhere. You guys on these forums are a real help and I have been reading forums and trying to obtain any kind of information as much as I can, but I have finally decided to post my first message and ask you guys for some detailed help. I have chosen Philippines to be my first destination, as far as I understand there are really only 2 cities worth exploring (unless I have missed something) - Angeles city and Manila, very confused on which is better for some very sexy week. Could anyone here give a detailed guide for a total newbie on where, when to go and how do you proceeded with everything, literally what is the best option after you have check in into the hotel, where can you go, when can you go and how exactly do you proceed after you have spotted the girl you like till banging her in your hotel room.

Thank you guys in advance.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1825972]In several cases, the virgin cock block is simply an easy way of refusing to shag a customer. Read IllusionHeart's report about a hottie in Champagne. We saw her go out with a Korean gent one night and the next night she says she is a cherry girl. On the third night the waitresses concurs that she (the girl in question) is a cherry girl. WTF! I don't think she went to play poker with the Korean.[/QUOTE]The Koreans monger in a totally different way then we do. Cherry girls will go out with you but its for barhopping only they might even say with you overnight just no sex. I hate the cherry girls your either game or you should not be in the bar however like the napaslapper post below this they are interested in making a impression with their peers more then they are interested in sex with the girl They seem to have no problems with the sleep only concept of the deal It is the ego boost that they go for.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1825960]He sleeps with the fishes. The new powers are taking over and he did not want to cooperate. These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year. The construction site right before you enter fields was to have been a new gogo bar but the new powers did not want it. Look for a Starbucks opening on that site soon.

Chris[/QUOTE]If this is to be the case this is truly sad news for the mongering world.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1825960] These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year.

Chris[/QUOTE]I am not arguing with you Chris since I don't know who your sources are but I find this very hard to believe. The gogo bars are like cockroaches they won't go away. For those that don't remember or forgot this was said emphatically back when Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay Naval Station were closed. Clark was at the time the largest Air Force base in the world. We are talking thousands of young men ten minutes away with nothing on there mind except fucking and plenty of pesos to do it with. Closing the base was supposed to be the end of AC and its seedier side. The government was going to clean up AC and the loss of 5000+ horny young clients would ruin any bar trying to hold on.

20+ years later the gogo haven't disappeared at all but been replaced with new ones. So I highly doubt AC will be without gogo bars 12 months from now. I'm not trying to bust your balls but I just don't see this prediction coming true and god knows I certainly hope it does not.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1825960]He sleeps with the fishes. The new powers are taking over and he did not want to cooperate. These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year. The construction site right before you enter fields was to have been a new gogo bar but the new powers did not want it. Look for a Starbucks opening on that site soon.

Chris[/QUOTE]That site is big enough for a dozen Starbucks. Angeles is the worlds biggest Brothel and will soon be the worlds biggest Starbucks. WOW. Just thinking. If the GoGos are gone, who will be drinking coffee at SuperStarbucks. ? Hrrmm.

I just spent over a week with some higher ups connected politicians back in November. The politicians do not make much money from their salaries but every other sources. They will not allow the hand (s) that feed them to be cut. If money is to be made of go-go, strip bars, they will not close them but may relocate. There is money in prostitution and officially they may say all the right things especially near elections but will continue to keep the back door open. City officials, Barangay chiefs, police need the money. If there is a Starbucks project, there is money to be made as the politicians get a cut of the project and the strip bars will relocate.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825918]List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.

1. 24 HR go go bar.

2. movie at the mall.

3. casino gambling.

4. hike up a volcano.

5. Go to the Zoo.

6 ride go carts.

7. shop at the open market.

8 swim in hotel pool.

9. go to dinosaur park.

10 sleep in with your honey ko.

11. Watch sports world wide at phillies sports bar.

12 Play poker at the international pub.

13. Get a 2 HR message (happy ending optional).

14. Jet ski

15 kick it on the beach[/QUOTE]I would love a few recommendations of spas for massages, happy ending optional. However, real shower massages or good body to body massages would be awesome.

[QUOTE=WolfieXXX;1826113]Hello guys,

I am a complete newbie to "mongering" (I guess it means sex tourism) and I am trying to obtain all the possible information before going somewhere. You guys on these forums are a real help and I have been reading forums and trying to obtain any kind of information as much as I can, but I have finally decided to post my first message and ask you guys for some detailed help. I have chosen Philippines to be my first destination, as far as I understand there are really only 2 cities worth exploring (unless I have missed something) - Angeles city and Manila, very confused on which is better for some very sexy week. Could anyone here give a detailed guide for a total newbie on where, when to go and how do you proceeded with everything, literally what is the best option after you have check in into the hotel, where can you go, when can you go and how exactly do you proceed after you have spotted the girl you like till banging her in your hotel room.

Thank you guys in advance.[/QUOTE]You have chosen your destination well. All you need to do is to read a dozen posts in the Report of Distinction (ROD) thread and you will start to get a general idea about places to go to and prices to pay. Almost all hotels in Metro Manila (comprised of several districts) and every single hotel in Angeles City is girl friendly, that means you book for 2 persons and you check in alone, but you can bring back a visitor to your room at any time. Some hotels will maintain a register to record details of the girl with you for security purposes. Don't object, this is for your safety. A look up at the hotels thread will give you a sense of comparison on hotel locations, amenities, quality of services, tariff, etc.

There are two fundamental models (freeelancers and bar girls)

Manila Freelancers can be found in the world famous LA Cafe / Malls / Havana and few others. In Angeles they are usually on the street or in malls. The internet is another great source for freelancers. Again the ROD posts will come to your rescue on which cafes / bars entertain freelancers.

Bar girls can be found inside bars. There are primarily Go Go bars, while there are a couple of alternate designs. Don't tlet this distract you. Inside a bar all girls are fair game, unless you are specifically advised otherwise with waitresses or the mamasan (female pimp). Modus Operandi is fairly simple. If you spot a girl that you like, either call her over directly to join you for a drink or ask the waitress to call her over. Once she with you, exchange pleasantries and offer to buy her a drink. This will allow you to spend some time with her to get to know her a bit better. These girls have seen it all, so don't be shy in asking questions. Make sure you tell her about what you are looking for and make sure she understands and agrees to provide those services. If the girl is in agreement ask her if she is OK to be barfined right away. Now barfine practices vary a lot, so read up again. If in doubt, ask the mamasan or the waitress. Buying them a drink is optional but is advisable for a newbie. Helps people relax all around. Once the transaction has been agreed on, the girl you picked will ask you to let her go change into street clothes. Sometimes this change process can take inordinately long and you may wonder if the bird has flown the coup. Relax, she will return, there is money at stake.

Once out of the club ask your girl to find you a taxi to get back to your hotel. Do not try to walk it up, unless the gotel is right across the street (like the Best Western) on Burgos. Walking on streets is not safe entirely. Insist on the taxi driver plying on metered charges. If he refuses, simply take another taxi, do not argue.

Once back in the room it helps to have a drink and talk a while. Follow it up with a shower. Depending on the chemistry you could shower together. Do not be shy to ask if you can join her. Remember, you are in charge. But do not force the girl, do not be an asshole. Usually the shower will heat up things between you two and you should be able to take it from there. After that I am sure you don't need much guidance.

Remember this. Everyone goes with a plan but those plans fail sometimes. Do not take anything personally, do not let it hurt your ego, do not let it spoil your entire evening, do not let it throw you off balance. Stay calm, stay pleasant, sport a smile, look clean, dress well, smell good and behave confidently. You will have a good time.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1826161]I am not arguing with you Chris since I don't know who your sources are but I find this very hard to believe. The gogo bars are like cockroaches they won't go away. For those that don't remember or forgot this was said emphatically back when Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay Naval Station were closed. Clark was at the time the largest Air Force base in the world. We are talking thousands of young men ten minutes away with nothing on there mind except fucking and plenty of pesos to do it with. Closing the base was supposed to be the end of AC and its seedier side. The government was going to clean up AC and the loss of 5000+ horny young clients would ruin any bar trying to hold on.

20+ years later the gogo haven't disappeared at all but been replaced with new ones. So I highly doubt AC will be without gogo bars 12 months from now. I'm not trying to bust your balls but I just don't see this prediction coming true and god knows I certainly hope it does not.[/QUOTE]Right now there is a turf war going on over Angeles, you and I and the people on this board don't notice it and it does not affect us. However for certain people Angels is a very dangerous place right now. The Koreans are lining up with the local Philippine "Wise Guys" and in Angeles the "Wise Guys" and the political elite often share the same dinner table at night as well as the same last name. The native aristocracy does not like the image or the openness that Angeles is and would like to see it changed into a more subtle form something the Koreans say they can offer.

Lewis was dirty he was heavily involved in the drug trade mostly in and out of China which made him very rich he also had a serious sweet tooth for the candy. This however, is not why he was waked. There is a turf war going on and certain forces want to take things over and change its image and he was in the way. There is another owner who is in their cross hairs but does not know it yet. He will have to roll over play ball or meet the same. Personally I would not bet on his "Doll House".

The truth about Angeles at the upper levels where the real money is made makes Vegas and the Mob look like Sunday School, its a Tuff, Tuff, world in Angeles and the stakes are high.

Chris

Guys,

I was in High Society on Tuesday night and I saw 2 gays trying to steal bags of the girls I was with. I confronted one and.

Pushed him away telling him to f-off. The girls were quite upset as well and were telling him something similar in Tagalog.

A few minutes later the gay friend came over and punched me hard in the cheek (bruise is showing now). The bouncer grabbed.

Him and threw them both out. I didn't see whether the bouncer gave him a roughing up or not but the bouncer came and.

Talked to me later and then disappeared with a determined look on his face, so I can only hope. I expect they are banned.

From High Society but my friends told me they saw the gays in the walking street the next night in a gay gang.

I don't have a photo of these gays but can describe them so you can avoid them:

1. Height 5' 5" (165 cm) , Light Brown hair pointy hair, evil eye contact lenses and a mouth constantly running bullshit.

2. Height 5' 5" (165 cm) , Light Brown hair flat over hair, bigger that first guy, with batliff (star trek Klingon weapon) like tattoo.

On his upper left arm.

Normally gays are not allowed in High Society as they don't buy drinks and they cause trouble.

Snow.

Often when I call down the stunner, the mamasan warns me that she is cherry. Yep, disappointing, but I've alway purchased the drink. Often they have more conversation than some of the others. Get the digits.

Nevertheless, telling someone that they "are totally wrong" is, of course, totally wrong. I'm pretty sure that I've had at least one bogus virgin claim.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1826018]With all due respect you are totally wrong in your claims.

Many asians and especially koreans barfine cherry girls because they want to show off in front of their friends, be seen in the clubs, bars, out to dinner with an attractive girl, lets face it, although I do not think cherry girls should be in bars period they do happen to be the most attractive, younger, slimmer girls of most bargirls.

A very good friend of mine and a well known angeles bar owner repeats constantly on angeles based boards that cherry girls are some of the highest earning girls he employs, many guys like them, I have seen many asians barfine cherry girls over the years.

mary anne of mirrors offered to give a blow job and let me suck her pussy if I wanted to barfine her but I was not interested, both the mummy and the bar owner confirmed that mary anne was in fact cherry but is popular and goes out on barfines, not surprised, she was the only girl we saw on perimeter that was slim / young and cute.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1826143]The Koreans monger in a totally different way then we do. Cherry girls will go out with you but its for barhopping ... They seem to have no problems with the sleep only concept of the deal It is the ego boost that they go for.[/QUOTE]In some cases, the cherry girl deal is a scam, but indeed it is possible that a few, actually, are indeed virgins. I'm no expert, and the taste might be one to acquire, but I actually had a good bit of fun with a couple "cherry girls" a few years back. One, selected with the assistance of another girl (non-cherry), ended up to be quite enthusiastic in trying out her fellatio skills, and did some nice masturbation alongsideside as I plowed her newfound friend. Her English was nonexistent, but did report to the other girl the following morning that she rather enjoyed my DATY skills. A lovely ego boost.

Satisfied with that encounter, the following night I hired another "cherry girl", who simply could not get enough of being eaten out. My neck was sore for two weeks from the riding. The slippery side, rubbing her pussy vigorously agagainst my cock, and she pointed to her special spot requesting the cumshot there, was not out of bounds, either. As we bathed, she requested a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] (the first and only request for this service I've come across).

We remain good FB friends, and she's looking better than ever. I may well return to the Phils to see how she's graduated to bigger and better things.

The point being. Cherry girls. Go figure.
Addendum: a little spray of a different sort seems to be verboten here. whatevs!

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1;1825440]Angeles CityAn American hotel owner here has been missing since Nov. 7 last year, and his business friends expressed fear he has been abducted or killed.
The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.
Concerned.
Some expatriates on Fields Avenue, the city's entertainment district, have expressed fear that he may have been abducted or killed, said a concerned American who contacted the Inquirer.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. This explains why I did not see him on my last trip. I assumed he was just busy or away on vacation or something. His properties are always my first choice of stay. He always comes over to say Hi.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1825960]He sleeps with the fishes.
Chris[/QUOTE]Sadly, if there has been no ransom demands, etc. This is very possible.

[QUOTE=SalamatPo;1825887]Blanquiceleste,
You're right, Lewis is a genius when it comes to running that hotel and I hope he returns soon. The other co-owners are excellent as well. Hopefully if he doesn't come back those folks can carry on in his legacy. It's sad to think about him being gone, he is such a great person, thoughtful and very selfless.[/QUOTE]I believe he has very competent management team, some of them expats. When I arrived on my last trip he had been missing for at least a week according to the report and none of the staff alluded to the fact that anything was out of the ordinary.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1825918]List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.

1. 24 HR go go bar.

2. movie at the mall.

3. casino gambling.

4. hike up a volcano.

5. Go to the Zoo.

6 ride go carts.

7. shop at the open market.

8 swim in hotel pool.

9. go to dinosaur park.

10 sleep in with your honey ko.

11. Watch sports world wide at phillies sports bar.

12 Play poker at the international pub.

13. Get a 2 HR message (happy ending optional).

14. Jet ski

15 kick it on the beach[/QUOTE]16. Learn diving (subic only).

[QUOTE=Osuul;1826379]16. Learn diving (subic only).[/QUOTE]Wtf! Adults need daily activity lists.

17. Lay in bed holding little Richard reminiscing last night.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1826622]Wtf! Adults need daily activity lists.

17. Lay in bed holding little Richard reminiscing last night.[/QUOTE]18. Stop at Brettos and get one of the best sandwiches in the world.

[QUOTE=Osuul;1826379]16. Learn diving (subic only).[/QUOTE]17. Play golf (a few good courses around).

18. Water Park (like Fortuna).

19. Decawake Clark Cable Water Ski Park.

[QUOTE=SalamatPo;1826646]18. Stop at Brettos and get one of the best sandwiches in the world.[/QUOTE]Good sandwich but far far from best in the world!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1826622]Wtf! Adults need daily activity lists.

17. Lay in bed holding little Richard reminiscing last night.[/QUOTE]It just makes me wonder why people say there s nothing to do in the daytime in AC when there is lots to do actually.

With all due respect sl, I have to disagree.

People, and I am one that claim there is very little to do in angeles are correct IMHO.

Most of your list of things to do are in subic not in angeles, scuba, water park, jet ski, visit beach, not only are they 1.5 hours by road outside of angeles they are all of very low quality when compared to nearby countries.

The beach at subic is a mud flat, the sea is filthy and the diving zero visibility, the shopping, infastructure and other high end activities are non existent.

So lets get on to angeles itself.

Casino, cinema, small mall, that's about it for things to do outside of things that involve females and getting drunk, again these few things are small and of low quality when compared to nearby countries.

The main problem for most people not wanting to venture out is the terrible air, pollution, filthy broken side walks, beggars everywhere, bad, expensive transport, personal safety of walking anywhere especially at night, pickpockets, card scam guys, totally corrupt police etc etc.

Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years.

Now, don't get me started on the terrible restaurants / food and the bargirl want to be princesses.

As can be seen by the endless empty bars, hotel rooms, streets, most punters have skipped angeles the last few years altogether, too little quality pussy and too little to do may be the reason IMHO.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827042] ...............People, and I am one that claim there is very little to do in angeles are correct IMHO.
...........The main problem for most people not wanting to venture out is the terrible air, pollution, filthy broken side walks, beggars everywhere, bad, expensive transport, personal safety of walking anywhere especially at night, pickpockets, card scam guys, totally corrupt police etc etc. ............[/QUOTE]Correct, and yet we still keep coming back, for the time being at least. The Indians being kicked out of Thailand, now migrating to Phils, might add a new aspect to the AC game also. Although I came across a group of them in an AC bar not that long ago. They were from Malaysia. Mama-san and girls liked them, and said they are different to Indians from India itself. In the meantime lads, we will soldier on, until the bitter end, LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827042]
The beach at subic is a mud flat, the sea is filthy and the diving zero visibility, the shopping, infastructure and other high end activities are non existent.
[/QUOTE]When did you last visit Subic? Shopping has improved much with the new malls in Olongapo. Barrio Baretto has a laid back atmosphere and the muff diving is still allright. It's the 3rd world, man, and it will be for sometime. Thank god.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1827046]When did you last visit Subic? Shopping has improved much with the new malls in Olongapo. Barrio Baretto has a laid back atmosphere and the muff diving is still allright. It's the 3rd world, man, and it will be for sometime. Thank god.[/QUOTE]Manila and cebu are 3rd world too but have large malls, world class diving (cebu) and many many activities / excursions to pass ones time.

All I am saying is that angeles and subic are tiny, dustly, shitholes with very little quality anything, by all means visit for some pussy but visit for things to do is a stretch of the immagination.

I can spend weeks in cebu. Manila. Davao without getting bored at all,2-3 days in angeles or subic and I am bored to death and ready to move on.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827049]I can spend weeks in cebu. Manila. Davao without getting bored at all,2-3 days in angeles or subic and I am bored to death and ready to move on.[/QUOTE]To each their own. Personally I like Davao and Cebu is OK-ish, Manila gives me headaches!

You didn't answer my question when you visited Subic last. It has improved much. The SM Mall in AC has recently been expanded quite a lot, and I wouldn't call it a small mall anymore. Also the Marquee (Ayala) mall nearby is OK. What are you missing in those malls?

I lived in AC before the SM mall was opened. Way back then it was pretty much a dusty s-hole, I will agree to that.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1827054]To each their own. Personally I like Davao and Cebu is OK-ish, Manila gives me headaches!

You didn't answer my question when you visited Subic last. It has improved much. The SM Mall in AC has recently been expanded quite a lot, and I wouldn't call it a small mall anymore. Also the Marquee (Ayala) mall nearby is OK. What are you missing in those malls?

I lived in AC before the SM mall was opened. Way back then it was pretty much a dusty s-hole, I will agree to that.[/QUOTE]PN, I already answered that I was in angeles and subic last week.

Comparing sm angeles or marquee to mall of asia (manila) ayala cebu or the brand new sm on cebu waterfront is black from white, I was in and out of sm angeles within 40 minutes and had walked everywhere and seen most shops of interest, mall of asia or ayala cebu are like small cities, one can spend days there and not see it all, on top of that the eye candy in the malls of manila / cebu is mind blowing, yes most are not working girls but great fun to sit and look, saw very little eye candy in sm angeles and even less in the whole of subic.

Yes you are right though that angeles and subic does now have some shopping,a cinema,i too was there before theses,but in all honesty walk 10 meters out from the mall and it is still that same old dusty,dangerous,shit hole it was all those years ago, in fact most things are far worse than back then,

Any ways, I am happy for you that you see and find things to do in angeles, subic, just bores the hell out of me, everyone is different I suppose.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1827045]Correct, and yet we still keep coming back, for the time being at least. [/QUOTE]Not too long back there was a post comparing AC to a bad marriage. You get abused, beaten, driven out of your home and all that, but when you start to itch you will go back to get it scratched. Because no one else will put up with your shit. LOL. I still love AC for what it is and I try to ignore what it isn't.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827049]Manila and cebu are 3rd world too but have large malls, world class diving (cebu) and many many activities / excursions to pass ones time.

All I am saying is that angeles and subic are tiny, dustly, shitholes with very little quality anything, by all means visit for some pussy but visit for things to do is a stretch of the immagination.

I can spend weeks in cebu. Manila. Davao without getting bored at all,2-3 days in angeles or subic and I am bored to death and ready to move on.[/QUOTE]You know the old joke about why the Philippines is still a 3rd world country? Because no one has developed a 4th world category. Today, it took me 3 tries to call another cell phone in Manila from Davao, and we still could not hear each other clearly. I just upgraded my home Internet to a "blinding" 16 Mbps amd streaming from Netflix is still somewhat choppy. The point of all this is that in all important respects--physical infrastructure, corrupt, incompetent political system, education and IT infrastructure to name but a few--this is and will remain a third world country that will ultimately be eclipsed by almost every other country.

The differences between and among cities exist only along the edges. I like Davao, for example because it's safe, has some very good restaurants and is an easy place to live. This doesn't make it any less third worldly, but for me it makes it more livable. I like my bi-weekly visits to Makati because I can pretend for a few days twice a month that I'm in a real country, as long as I can ignore the endless congestion and the lack of any meaningful public transit. The challenge here is to find a place and a lifestyle that is suitable for you and inevitably that involves making some serious trade-offs.

To me, Angeles is a slum with crap food, marginal hotel accommodations (I always stay at ABC) and endless chances to get laid by young, fairly attractive women, and in the interim speaking to some fairly boring, often drunk and wholly uninteresting expats. Two days is about what I can tolerate. Others love the place, so I guess whatever it is they find there meets their needs.

Figure out what's best for you and recognize that what's good for you may not be a perfect solution for others.

GE.

Do movie theaters show movies in English? Do they have tagalog subtitles?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827059]

Yes you are right though that angeles and subic does now have some shopping,a cinema,i too was there before theses,but in all honesty walk 10 meters out from the mall and it is still that same old dusty,dangerous,shit hole it was all those years ago, in fact most things are far worse than back then,

Any ways, I am happy for you that you see and find things to do in angeles, subic, just bores the hell out of me, everyone is different I suppose.[/QUOTE]And I'm glad you found bliss in the megamalls of Manila, personally I'm not going to Phils for shopping.

For the record I do think AC is the a-hole of PH, but that's not because of the bad shopping. Dangerous YES (much more than most casual visitors can grasp). Boring? NO.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1827123]And I'm glad you found bliss in the megamalls of Manila, personally I'm not going to Phils for shopping.

For the record I do think AC is the a-hole of PH, but that's not because of the bad shopping. Dangerous YES (much more than most casual visitors can grasp). Boring? NO.[/QUOTE]I don't get.

Why people are complaining AC seems to be the norm for most mongering destination I've been very much like Sousa in Dr a block with clubs not much else beggars etc, doesn't bother me at all.

In fact I like AC better more things to do.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827042]With all due respect sl, I have to disagree.

People, and I am one that claim there is very little to do in angeles are correct IMHO.

Most of your list of things to do are in subic not in angeles, scuba, water park, jet ski, visit beach, not only are they 1.5 hours by road outside of angeles they are all of very low quality when compared to nearby countries.

The beach at subic is a mud flat, the sea is filthy and the diving zero visibility, the shopping, infastructure and other high end activities are non existent.

So lets get on to angeles itself.

Casino, cinema, small mall, that's about it for things to do outside of things that involve females and getting drunk, again these few things are small and of low quality when compared to nearby countries.

The main problem for most people not wanting to venture out is the terrible air, pollution, filthy broken side walks, beggars everywhere, bad, expensive transport, personal safety of walking anywhere especially at night, pickpockets, card scam guys, totally corrupt police etc etc.

Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years.

Now, don't get me started on the terrible restaurants / food and the bargirl want to be princesses.

As can be seen by the endless empty bars, hotel rooms, streets, most punters have skipped angeles the last few years altogether, too little quality pussy and too little to do may be the reason IMHO.[/QUOTE]Just because Angeles cities daytime activities are not up to the standards of other places in the world does not mean you can not do them. Play golf, play basketball, work out, play tennis, swim in the pool, go to casino go to mall go to zoo plus many other things can be done in AC or near it. Is the casino big nope but you can still play black jack slots or poker. Is the golf course of PGA quality Nope but you can still play golf. Nothing to do in the daytime is your choice.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827059]Any ways, I am happy for you that you see and find things to do in angeles, subic, just bores the hell out of me, everyone is different I suppose.[/QUOTE]I am in the same boat as you. When my girlfriend took me to Subic in February I was like this place was a waste of a van ride. I am always amazed when posters give a glowing review of the place. I guess it is in the eye of the beerholder after all.

When people ask about AC I tell them eat, sleep, drink, and fuck. If you want anything else then you are going to the wrong place. After the first time I said I would never go back. Then I started catching that Tiger Air flight to Bangkok out of there, so the place kinda grew on me for very short trips. I have never spent more than 3 days there. Maybe I will shoot for 4 days in March.

You said it all with this 1 sentence: "Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years."

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1827202]I don't get.

Why people are complaining AC seems to be the norm for most mongering destination I've been very much like Sousa in Dr a block with clubs not much else beggars etc, doesn't bother me at all.

In fact I like AC better more things to do.[/QUOTE]AC and Sosua are both shit holes. I do still enjoy AC and try to visit it at least once a year.

I don't agree though that most mongering destinations have the same lack of options as AC does. Some of the best mongering places on earth are among some of the most interesting and cosmopolitan cities of the world IE Rio, Bangkok and Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1827436]Just because Angeles cities daytime activities are not up to the standards of other places in the world does not mean you can not do them. Play golf, play basketball, work out, play tennis, swim in the pool, go to casino go to mall go to zoo plus many other things can be done in AC or near it. Is the casino big nope but you can still play black jack slots or poker. Is the golf course of PGA quality Nope but you can still play golf. Nothing to do in the daytime is your choice.[/QUOTE]Going by your logic sl I could also rent a 500 p a night room in angeles/subic,I don't get a hot water shower, I don't get air con, I don't get cable tv, I don't get free wifi, i dont get clean sheets, I don't get 24 HR security etc etc, I do still get a single matress on the floor,a squat toilet, a barrel of cold water and a cup to shower with,yes I can still sleep and clean my body in that 500p room just like i do at the Lewis grand but who wants to put up with those conditions.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827516]Going by your logic sl I could also rent a 500 p a night room in angeles/subic,I don't get a hot water shower, I don't get air con, I don't get cable tv, I don't get free wifi, i dont get clean sheets, I don't get 24 HR security etc etc, I do still get a single matress on the floor,a squat toilet, a barrel of cold water and a cup to shower with,yes I can still sleep and clean my body in that 500p room just like i do at the Lewis grand but who wants to put up with those conditions.[/QUOTE]Thou I and a few others just listed at least 25 different things to do in the daytime in AC. I am going to concede to your declaration and declare you correct. The is Nothing to do in Angeles city in the daytime. Why are you budget mongering in AC anyways? You can get the best pussy on the planet in Las Vegas New York Dubai Macau etc etc and there is quality things to do in the daytime also. I,m a poor SOB with very little money that' why I monger in AC over those places more bang for my buck. Its also why I play golf on public courses and not pebble beach and I stay in the motel 6 and not the Ritz Carlton.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1827566]Thou I and a few others just listed at least 25 different things to do in the daytime in AC. I am going to concede to your declaration and declare you correct. The is Nothing to do in Angeles city in the daytime. Why are you budget mongering in AC anyways? You can get the best pussy on the planet in Las Vegas New York Dubai Macau etc etc and there is quality things to do in the daytime also. I,m a poor SOB with very little money that' why I monger in AC over those places more bang for my buck. Its also why I play golf on public courses and not pebble beach and I stay in the motel 6 and not the Ritz Carlton.[/QUOTE]You should know better than to question the more experienced and knowledgeable mongers. Hopefully your waving of the white flag is graciously accepted. Then we can move on to other board discussions regarding behaviors of Indians!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1827117]You know the old joke about why the Philippines is still a 3rd world country? Because no one has developed a 4th world category. Today, it took me 3 tries to call another cell phone in Manila from Davao, and we still could not hear each other clearly. I just upgraded my home Internet to a "blinding" 16 Mbps amd streaming from Netflix is still somewhat choppy. The point of all this is that in all important respects--physical infrastructure, corrupt, incompetent political system, education and IT infrastructure to name but a few--this is and will remain a third world country that will ultimately be eclipsed by almost every other country.

The differences between and among cities exist only along the edges. I like Davao, for example because it's safe, has some very good restaurants and is an easy place to live. This doesn't make it any less third worldly, but for me it makes it more livable. I like my bi-weekly visits to Makati because I can pretend for a few days twice a month that I'm in a real country, as long as I can ignore the endless congestion and the lack of any meaningful public transit. The challenge here is to find a place and a lifestyle that is suitable for you and inevitably that involves making some serious trade-offs.

To me, Angeles is a slum with crap food, marginal hotel accommodations (I always stay at ABC) and endless chances to get laid by young, fairly attractive women, and in the interim speaking to some fairly boring, often drunk and wholly uninteresting expats. Two days is about what I can tolerate. Others love the place, so I guess whatever it is they find there meets their needs.

Figure out what's best for you and recognize that what's good for you may not be a perfect solution for others.

GE.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with the overview of AC. Bottom line, it is a place for those with bottom budgets who are either addicted to cheap fast turnover sex or trying to be important and 'big time' on a shoe string budget. But I guess that is better than being taxed to death and frigid in a so called advanced country. Everyone has to set their own balance. I do however get great entertainment when losers start talking about love scams, true love with a bar girl, talking about marriage and believing the stories spun by the girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1827491]

You said it all with this 1 sentence: "Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years."[/QUOTE]Exactly. But some of us are looking for a place where 1) we can have some (great) pussy but 2) we can have some other fun, and 3) we can convince our friends / family / acquaintances we went on a cultural mission (my Mission --should I accept it-- is to determine the difference in sweetness between Pinay, Thai and Chinese poontang).

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1825284]You ought to clear your PM box. Here is my rough pm to you, that could not get through. Normally I do not post my rough PMs but here goes:

"Bar fine is determined by bar management.

Do not be optimistic about 'all night' , lots of Angeles girls leave after ST. If really likes you, stays LT.

Girl normally gets half of the BF and officially that is all she is entitled to. There is no other payment.

But 75% or more of guys give a tip, especially if she stays LT. Usually P200/500 tip. Up to you how much.

Girls who say LT but only stay ST get NO tip. She will have to be happy with her half of the bar fine. Regardless of her story she will most probably go back to the bar and try and get another bar fine. Makes more that way (promising LT but only doing ST with a story about "baby to be fed" bullshit story, LOL).

Better exchange rate in Phils too = sex can be cheaper in Phils.

History. With lots of police raids before (not now) some bars are worried that a new face / stranger could be working for cops. If you walk into a bar as stranger talk straight away about bar fine then they might be suspicious of you = say they do not bar fine.

On and on it goes, so much to pass on to a newbie, that will do for me. Goodbye"![/QUOTE]Thanks my Friend for the info.

I never know my PM box was full not until you reminded me here. Will try to clear some of them after checking, as I nromally store some info for future use in that said mail box.

Very informative indeed specially for me a long time never been back to Philippine mongering areasd like AC. I am planning this year around April or may for a relaxing trip to RP and wish to stay wholly in AC as I want to find some nice time there. But I think base on your info, bar girls plays trick, same as in Bangkok that most girl don't. Want to stay LT as they wish to be back to the bar to gain more customers for the night. It is really hard to find nice gem in NEP in Bangkok for LT.

Hopefully to find some nice Filipina girls there and perhpas I can have them stay with me for the duration of my stay in the coming trip. Always wanting to find couple of nice and good performance talent but most of the time, it is just like hit and miss even in any where we go.

I will be researching a lot in this thread for my forthcoming trip to RP.

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=Cool;1827121]Do movie theatres show movies in English? Do they have tagalog subtitiles?[/QUOTE]Generally Philippine (Local) movies are in Tagalog and Foreign movies are in English.

Check out the SM Cinema guide here [URL]http://www.clickthecity.com/movies/theaters/sm-clark[/URL].

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;1827602]Exactly. But some of us are looking for a place where 1) we can have some (great) pussy but 2) we can have some other fun, and 3) we can convince our friends / family / acquaintances we went on a cultural mission (my Mission -should I accept it-- is to determine the difference in sweetness between Pinay, Thai and Chinese poontang).[/QUOTE]For sure, Errol Flynn, never had to pay for pussy, LOL.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1827578]You should know better than to question the more experienced and knowledgeable mongers. Hopefully your waving of the white flag is graciously accepted. Then we can move on to other board discussions regarding behaviors of Indians![/QUOTE]DG, your wish is my command, lets move on.

Here's my take on Indians from India visiting thailand.

Generally Indians in every day life are non aggresive, pleasant people, who visit mostly pattaya in family groups for few days and have zero interest in the gogo bars.

Where Indians do let themselves down is when the small numbers of younger single males visit pattaya, these groups have every intention of going out drinking in the bars and trying to get laid from beach road to soi 6 or the gogo bars.

They are mostly low class, can't handle their drink and will try to barter for absolutely everything including pussy,5 guys all wanting to have turns in fucking the same 1000 baht beach road girl for 200 baht each or trying to get soi 6 girls to accept 500 baht instead of their standard 1000 baht.

Groups of guys entering a gogo bar and ordering one drink to share between them and wanting to fondle the girls for the price.

The bartering goes on just the same in the restaurants,5 guys enter, sit down, order 2 portions of fries and a coke,5 lots of cutlery and five straws, when finished sharing they want a 50% reduction on the bill.

Most thais want nothing to do with these type of mongers, girls refuse service, restaurants refuse service, most if not all gogos have barred them, but they just do not get the hint, the bartering mentality goes on regardless.

Now on to Malaysian Indians in angeles.

Most are of indian origins but have lived for generations in Malaysia, single males mainly travel over on cheap flights from kuala lumpur just for a short weekend, I have been in bars when Malaysian indians have been there too, they seem friendly, speak excellent english, are willing to buy drinks both for themselves and the girls, most pinay bargirls seem to accept them and will treat them just the same as other westerners.

I have honestly not seen any Indians from India in angeles,i would take a guess and say travel between main land india and angeles is not straight forward and probably expensive.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;1827602]Exactly. But some of us are looking for a place where 1) we can have some (great) pussy but 2) we can have some other fun, and 3) we can convince our friends / family / acquaintances we went on a cultural mission (my Mission --should I accept it-- is to determine the difference in sweetness between Pinay, Thai and Chinese poontang).[/QUOTE]Interesting conversations about AC and things to do compared to other places. Having traveled a lot throughout Asia over the years I can say that each major capital city or smaller ones have their goods and bads. Jakarta, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Bangkok, KL, HCMC all have a lot more to offer but are more expensive and traffic can destroy your fun. Singapore is just ridiculous for P4P and too western for me. I spent a lot of time in China, especially around CP and it was a little like AC. Not a lot to do during the day, aside from spas and keeping your lady friends busy.

Recently tried the Phnom Penh, Vietiane and Yangon offerings. All are unique and although not large cities, they all have challenges around the volume of mongering places and what they offer. The women are great, but just not enough places and they are spread around anyway.

Let's face it, P4P is what we want when we travel. While AC is small and not the most attractive place in the world, the girls are what it is all about. So IMHO, AC offers a lot of girls, in a lot of bars and clubs, in a place that is easy to navigate, cheap to be in, and for the short time that we visit, pretty stress free. Most girls speak English as well. Air Asia, Tiger and Cebu Air make it easy to fly into and get out of if you get bored.

As an older guy I can think of nothing better than spending 4 days or more in the company of some very cute girls lying around a pool or drinking in bars. I can ski, watch movies, golf fish or whatever when I get back home. Why would I waste precious mongering time doing tourist things in places I want to monger in? In AC, the girls are much cheaper than the outrageous costs we have to put up with back home. Compare AC to having to pay $400 for 45 minutes of shit service back home. AC is fine for what it is and it is not everyone's taste. Then again, that is what makes the world what it is, we are all different.

Mongering is supposed to be fun. I know I enjoy it, even in 3rd world places!

Happy hunting.

Completely agree with you Napa. Being from the mainland, I have seen it and sometimes detest from going where a lots of these low class guys go unfortunately that meant bye bye to Thailand. Am a regular at AC and have been treated well there.

As you put it, the travel is not straight forward and a bit more pricey compared to Thailand.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827623]DG, your wish is my command, lets move on.

Here's my take on Indians from India visiting thailand.

Generally Indians in every day life are non aggresive, pleasant people, who visit mostly pattaya in family groups for few days and have zero interest in the gogo bars.

Where Indians do let themselves down is when the small numbers of younger single males visit pattaya, these groups have every intention of going out drinking in the bars and trying to get laid from beach road to soi 6 or the gogo bars.

They are mostly low class, can't handle their drink and will try to barter for absolutely everything including pussy,5 guys all wanting to have turns in fucking the same 1000 baht beach road girl for 200 baht each or trying to get soi 6 girls to accept 500 baht instead of their standard 1000 baht.

Groups of guys entering a gogo bar and ordering one drink to share between them and wanting to fondle the girls for the price.

The bartering goes on just the same in the restaurants,5 guys enter, sit down, order 2 portions of fries and a coke,5 lots of cutlery and five straws, when finished sharing they want a 50% reduction on the bill.

Most thais want nothing to do with these type of mongers, girls refuse service, restaurants refuse service, most if not all gogos have barred them, but they just do not get the hint, the bartering mentality goes on regardless.

Now on to Malaysian Indians in angeles.

Most are of indian origins but have lived for generations in Malaysia, single males mainly travel over on cheap flights from kuala lumpur just for a short weekend, I have been in bars when Malaysian indians have been there too, they seem friendly, speak excellent english, are willing to buy drinks both for themselves and the girls, most pinay bargirls seem to accept them and will treat them just the same as other westerners.

I have honestly not seen any Indians from India in angeles,i would take a guess and say travel between main land india and angeles is not straight forward and probably expensive.[/QUOTE]

AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1827760]I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.[/QUOTE]Why feel sorry for them? With all the stories floating around they should know better. And if you would not marry a prostitute back home then why would you go overseas where the territory and culture and language is less familiar to you and do it? I guess they think the same as many on this board: Well they only do it for food, mother's medicine, to buy a new cow, to pay for school, or to fix the roof. The truth is that there are millions of other people who need these same things with no money to get them, but they do not go out and prostitute themselves.

[QUOTE=JingleBells99;1827686]

As you put it, the travel is not straight forward and a bit more pricey compared to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Huh? How is Angeles more pricey and more complicated than Thailand?

Two examples from 3 months ago where I took one of the hotter gogo dancers in both Thailand and Philippines. Not comparing a Soi 6 girl with a top gogo; and not comparing a girl pulled from a Perimeter bar in AC vs. A top gogo. Top gogo vs top gogo.

I am in Pattaya and find one of the hotter girls in Alcatraz, she is an agency girl so Bar fine was 1500. I then had to negotiate with her how much she wants for ST vs. LT. She starts with 4000 and I negotiate her down to 3000.

So total cost for overnight is- 4500 baht /36.2= $124.30.

A month later I am in AC and take one of the featured dancers from Atlantis. Her Bar fine is 3000 and of course since this is AC that is all-inclusive and no need to waste time negotiating how long she will stay.

So total cost for overnight is 3000 pesos /46.7 = $64.23.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827623].......................Now on to Malaysian Indians in angeles.

Most are of indian origins but have lived for generations in Malaysia, single males mainly travel over on cheap flights from kuala lumpur just for a short weekend, I have been in bars when Malaysian indians have been there too, they seem friendly, speak excellent english, are willing to buy drinks both for themselves and the girls, most pinay bargirls seem to accept them and will treat them just the same as other westerners.[/QUOTE]This is what I alluded to in a previous of mine. Malaysian Indians are different. Proves my friends saying: "We are a product of our environment". Different countries of origin, different environment (behavior etc).

But I did come across the Indian 'peasant' variety in expensive / exclusive Arena Show Place, Cebu City. Quite funny, turned the corner to go to toilet and there they were, outside the toilet, about 7 of them in a huddle, discussing their modus operandi. Most probably deciding who would approach the girl, how much would be offered, and who of the seven would have sex first with her, whilst the others waited for their turn to have sex with the same girl, for the one 'bulk buy' price, LOL.

Another time came across a distinguished looking Indian chap, who had bailed up the top lady at the same expensive place, Arena, a 9 to some (myself) , an eleven to others. He had corralled her out of view of everyone, negotiating. Don't know what happened there.

The Indians are coming to Phils, no doubt about that. Whether they earn the very bad reputation they have in Thailand, time will only tell.

In the mean time its 'puki' time, until we Caucasians are swamped by all manner of Nationalities (eg Chinese Mongers yet to invade in numbers). Survival. Figure out ways to survive lads, I have, LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1827787]Why feel sorry for them? With all the stories floating around they should know better. And if you would not marry a prostitute back home then why would you go overseas where the territory and culture and language is less familiar to you and do it? I guess they think the same as many on this board: Well they only do it for food, mother's medicine, to buy a new cow, to pay for school, or to fix the roof. The truth is that there are millions of other people who need these same things with no money to get them, but they do not go out and prostitute themselves.[/QUOTE]Mr E,have to totally agree with you again and I have wrote about this some months ago.

Prostitutes the world over are of low morales and in it for the big, easy, money.

Girls with high morales would not sell their pussy to guys old enough to be her grandfather full stop.

Talk to most middle class teen age girls in the phills and they want the same things as teenage girls the world over, go to college, go to university, get a decent job, find love with her own kind and of her own age group, etc etc.

The last though on their wish list would be to be selling their pussy to strangers every night.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1827807]Huh? How is Angeles more pricey and more complicated than Thailand?

Two examples from 3 months ago where I took one of the hotter gogo dancers in both Thailand and Philippines. Not comparing a Soi 6 girl with a top gogo; and not comparing a girl pulled from a Perimeter bar in AC vs. A top gogo. Top gogo vs top gogo.

I am in Pattaya and find one of the hotter girls in Alcatraz, she is an agency girl so Bar fine was 1500. I then had to negotiate with her how much she wants for ST vs. LT. She starts with 4000 and I negotiate her down to 3000.

So total cost for overnight is- 4500 baht /36.2= $124.30.

A month later I am in AC and take one of the featured dancers from Atlantis. Her Bar fine is 3000 and of course since this is AC that is all-inclusive and no need to waste time negotiating how long she will stay.

So total cost for overnight is 3000 pesos /46.7 = $64.23.[/QUOTE]I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.

Now on to pussy.

Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.

There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.

There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,

Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.

you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.

many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,

not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827904]I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.

Now on to pussy.

Comparing thai agency girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white.

There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.

Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.

Want a top looking thai gogo girl then get them on their time off, in the discos after work, in the malls before work at half the price they quote at work and zero barfine too.

you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is fraction of the price of thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a dangerous shit hole,etc etc,i could go on for pages.

not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.[/QUOTE]I disagree with almost everything you said. But its just my opinion and you have yours. You will notice how I don't just come out and call your comments STUPID or whatever it was on some of your other responses to others guys and their opinions on other matters. Why? Because I don't think your comments are stupid and even if I did I wouldn't say that. I just disagree with them.

1-I think one of the top girls at Atlantis can stack up against a top girl in Pattaya period. You don't agree that's fine. Princess attitude? I didn't see that in the featured dancer I took in October, not at all. Not to say if I took her friend maybe I would have gotten it but the girl I took didn't have any of that.

2- I know their are Soi 6 girls that could work in Atlantis, and that once you go below the top 10% of the Filipinos you are really going downhill in quality. But again within two weeks I took a high priced dancer from Pattaya and one from AC and that's what I was comparing. Not the overall quality of the 300 girls in Atlantis vs the overall quality of 100 girls in angel witch.

3-yes I know there is the chance to get a top Thai gogo after hours at Insomnia or on their day off, just the same as I took AC girls on their days off. But again not the point of my comparison.

4- I didn't "conveniently" forget to mention anything. I wasn't commenting on airfare, hotel prices, food or any of that crap because AGAIN I was only comparing the prices and ease of top gogo vs. Top gogo.

5- No where did I say that Thailand wasn't a good place or I didn't like it. In fact when I come to Asia I generally spend about 75% of my time there and the rest in PI. Again my post was what readers? Just a comparison of top gogo in Pattaya costs vs. Top gogo in AC costs.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1827566]Thou I and a few others just listed at least 25 different things to do in the daytime in AC. I am going to concede to your declaration and declare you correct. The is Nothing to do in Angeles city in the daytime. Why are you budget mongering in AC anyways? You can get the best pussy on the planet in Las Vegas New York Dubai Macau etc etc and there is quality things to do in the daytime also. I,m a poor SOB with very little money that' why I monger in AC over those places more bang for my buck. Its also why I play golf on public courses and not pebble beach and I stay in the motel 6 and not the Ritz Carlton.[/QUOTE]My earlier response was somewhat in jest. I agree with you that there are things to do in AC and not to everyone's likings.

I have been here a week now and after a walk last night thru WS, the sights of old pooriengers and there drunken behaviors can get rather depressing. A little over a week in AC is enough for me. I then travel to Cebu or elsewhere for a break. Usually I meet up with former AC girls in the other cities. Or they will make an introduction for me.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1827760]AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.[/QUOTE]FP, you are correct to believe the words of the locals.

Truth can be a damn ***** at times though.

Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,

as they say,you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl lol

So long story short go to Thailand first and then go to Phil?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827904]I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.

Now on to pussy.

Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.

There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.

There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,

Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.

you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.

many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,

not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827943]Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,[/QUOTE]We all have am sure NE time or another maybe unknowingly LOL.

Why ashamed as this is the way of life there.

I was with one when her daddyko called, another when daddyko (aka moneyko) did a Skype chat, other times she was doing a cam show for him while I watched then shagged her after. Happened many times and many also had pinoys on the side.

One AC bar girl had 4 European / American monkeyko to whom she always said "you are the only one etc" and her husband would drop her off at times to the guy's hotel. She was an excellent 3 holes as well. She was earning around 100-125 k pesos a moth from her collective moneykos before other tips from AC punters etc.

Is more fun in the Philippines as they say LOL.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1827933]My earlier response was somewhat in jest. I agree with you that there are things to do in AC and not to everyone's likings.

I have been here a week now and after a walk last night thru WS, the sights of old pooriengers and there drunken behaviors can get rather depressing. A little over a week in AC is enough for me. I then travel to Cebu or elsewhere for a break. Usually I meet up with former AC girls in the other cities. Or they will make an introduction for me.[/QUOTE]Actually one of the best things to do in AC is watch the stupid drunks stumble past Phillie's or Kokomos barely able to walk with little brown honeyko in tow trying there best to hold them up. Pure Entertainment at its finest Of course I also like the show at big dogs Nana also a great drunken show spot. Sometimes I think there is good money to be made rolling these drunk fuckers.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827943]FP, you are correct to believe the words of the locals.

Truth can be a damn ***** at times though.

Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,

as they say,you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl lol[/QUOTE]Greatest power trip I can get is banging the shit out of some other dudes sponsored girlfriend. I fucking love when they talk to them on the phone naked in my bed 5 minutes after we just got busy. Sometimes I like to talk in the back ground see what happens.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1828005]Greatest power trip I can get is banging the shit out of some other dudes sponsored girlfriend. I fucking love when they talk to them on the phone naked in my bed 5 minutes after we just got busy. Sometimes I like to talk in the back ground see what happens.[/QUOTE]One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fiancé on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827943]FP, you are correct to believe the words of the locals.

Truth can be a damn ***** at times though.

Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,

as they say,you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl lol[/QUOTE]No need to feel ashamed about it, the girls are very skilled scammers. Hopefully those who read this forum will understand this and save themselves a lot of time, money and heart ache. Hopefully those who are about to sign a legal Filipino document of marriage to a bar girl think carefully. Then stop and THINK yet again.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1828001] Sometimes I think there is good money to be made rolling these drunk fuckers.[/QUOTE]Actually, some of the bar girls make good money by doing that. According to one of my regulars anyway. She's a FL who's bar hopping with her customers frequently and she notices quite often that girls go through the pockets of drunk customers.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1828060]No need to feel ashamed about it, the girls are very skilled scammers. Hopefully those who read this forum will understand this and save themselves a lot of time, money and heart ache. Hopefully those who are about to sign a legal Filipino document of marriage to a bar girl think carefully. Then stop and THINK yet again.[/QUOTE]Good advice FP, unfortunately few will actually take it imho.

I have almost fallen out with good buddies when I have told them to think carefully before marrying a bar girl.

They mainly took offence, with replies of mine is different, she loves me etc etc, only to come crying a few weeks / months / years later when their my one is different girl has broken their heart and taken their money.

Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,

Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828105]Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,

Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone marry when there are lots of young and beautiful filipinas, most of them not bargirls, who would cheerfully move in with you for a personal allowance of three thousand pesos a week? Indeed, the more chaste they are, the cheaper they come. You can tell a bargirl by how much she asks and how quick she is to ask it.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1828121]Why would anyone marry when there are lots of young and beautiful filipinas, most of them not bargirls, who would cheerfully move in with you for a personal allowance of three thousand pesos a week? Indeed, the more chaste they are, the cheaper they come. You can tell a bargirl by how much she asks and how quick she is to ask it.[/QUOTE]Yes one could probably get an attractive low educated non bargirl who has very little chance of employment to accept a monthly income to live with us.

Unfortunately that agreed monthly amount comes with add ONS.

Buffalo died need new one, parents house destroyed in storm need new one, brother had motorbike accident and is in hospital need big money or brother die, lost or broken phones / laptops, the lies go on and on mostly egged on to tell us those lies by her greedy family.

Don't forget when we take on younger pinays we take on their family problems as well and that includes their extended family problems.

It is however possible to meet an educated pinay from a good family who holds down her own job and does not ask for monetary contributions but she will not accept a large age differences, maybe 10-15 years at best.we would have to be to her tastes looks wise and have to romance her just like any western girl,

Unfortunately most guys who visit the phills are 50-60-70 and want to have pinay girlfriends/wives that are 18-25, thats when the large problems occur

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1827760]AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.[/QUOTE]This is a fact. The majority do have Filipino boyfriends. The ones who do not are encouraged to do the same by those who do. Bar girls often tell each other 'use your head not your heart' when it comes to foreigners. The boyfriends are not always from AC. Many are boyfriends from their province who follow the girls once they become established in the bar and have enough money to send for the boyfriends to pay the RORO fare. The leaching of the foreigner is not limited to Filipino boyfriends. Entire families follow the girls to AC. Often selling pussy is a family affair with sisters and cousins working in the bars. The parents, uncles, and aunts follow them to AC to manager their careers. That includes managing you, their foreigner. There is a reason why the girls say 'my poriner' because walking ATMs are seen as property not persons.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828105]Good advice FP, unfortunately few will actually take it imho.

I have almost fallen out with good buddies when I have told them to think carefully before marrying a bar girl.

They mainly took offence, with replies of mine is different, she loves me etc etc, only to come crying a few weeks / months / years later when their my one is different girl has broken their heart and taken their money.

Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,

Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.[/QUOTE]Adding to that, I know one guy who married a bar girl. Bought a house. Went on vacation to Europe to see his family. Came back, house sold without him knowing, with contents, even sold the dog. Wife vanished, money vanished. Another fella, conned into thinking pregnancy was his fertilisation as bar girl claimed on the bible, got married, out popped a 100% Filipino. Now in denial, being milked for money and a so called "cousin" has moved in the house as a 'driver'. No prizes for guessing who is the Dad of the kiddie!! Another fella falls totally in love with a bar girl, agreed to marry, goes back abroad for a few weeks to get organized, returns and finds her already married to another customer. Yet another marries a bar girl, gets her US citizenship, has two kids, she goes to the US and disappears leaving him in Philippines liable for child support under Philippine law. But you are right, each newbie thinks they have found the diamond in the dirt!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1828172]Adding to that, I know one guy who married a bar girl. Bought a house. Went on vacation to Europe to see his family. Came back, house sold without him knowing, with contents, even sold the dog. Wife vanished, money vanished. Another fella, conned into thinking pregnancy was his fertilisation as bar girl claimed on the bible, got married, out popped a 100% Filipino. Now in denial, being milked for money and a so called "cousin" has moved in the house as a 'driver'. No prizes for guessing who is the Dad of the kiddie!! Another fella falls totally in love with a bar girl, agreed to marry, goes back abroad for a few weeks to get organized, returns and finds her already married to another customer. Yet another marries a bar girl, gets her US citizenship, has two kids, she goes to the US and disappears leaving him in Philippines liable for child support under Philippine law. But you are right, each newbie thinks they have found the diamond in the dirt![/QUOTE]I am staying in an apartment in KL. So one day the guard suggested me that a pinay girl is looking for part time job. Wow I was like lets try pinay on Malaysia. The girls comes and offers cleaning of my apartment and charge 600 myr 15 times a month. I thought wow may be I am lucky to taste a pinay pussy here. First day she comes anf the clean the house, offer me massage for 100 extra. I was like wow. Go on. She does massage and when I try to do some play she start saying me all the sad stories, my family, I cry for them, they have no money to eat bla bla. Now instead of feeling horny I felt so sorry as if I will cry. Story goes on and nothing happened. I paid 200 just to say her don't cry. Now she everyday says the same thing. One day she invites me for a party and I buy almost 12 beers, wine scotch and some food amd reach their house. To my surprise they were eating and only two people at home. I asked where your BF and other friends, she says they will come. OK I am already bored and leave the place. In night I just ask that if they are done with party or no. She says no party. Why the fuck she asked me to buy so much stuff if no party. Now next day she says I can give my house key to her so that she can come once I am at work clean. I thought OK. One day I come early and to my surprise she with her friends and BF all having gala times in my apartment. I was shocked, she says they all came to use wifi, as my place got wifi.

Not things are triggering, again same sad stories about family and boy friend bla bla. Now I am getting hints what a happening. Till now no pussy. One day I went to swimming pool to my surprise using my access card her BF and she both are enjoying the pool. Now I was so angry I just old her to fuck off. And paid her money. Li used to think how can be people so stupid to marry pinays but now I realized when you are sensible and they have enough to cry, you make mistakes any how I just escaped spending almost 1500 myr without even a glimpse of puky. Anyways lesson learn are more than money.

As we have jumped from subject to subject in the last few days I wanted to point out a few things to the first time phils visitor looking for a wife / girlfriend or live in sex partner.

Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.

Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.

Having said that there is a tiny number of pinays with low morales who turn to prostitution, look for guys to exchange a little pussy for money or would consider living with/ marriage to an old guy in exchange for money, again these are a very small numbers of girls.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828188]Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.

Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.[/QUOTE]Nothing illustrates this point better than the number of virgins (cherry girls) working in the various venues who would not consider doing the 'see above'. However, encounter one of these girls experiencing some sort of for real money crisis (family, accident, etc.) and all bets are off. Here becomes a situation where an old guy foreigner of low morale, bad character, and not god-fearing and who dreams of buying pussy by the hour can take advantage.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828188]As we have jumped from subject to subject in the last few days I wanted to point out a few things to the first time phils visitor looking for a wife / girlfriend or live in sex partner.

Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.

Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.

Having said that there is a tiny number of pinays with low morales who turn to prostitution, look for guys to exchange a little pussy for money or would consider living with/ marriage to an old guy in exchange for money, again these are a very small numbers of girls.[/QUOTE]Nanaslapper,

First you decide which side you are. Your most informations are not clear enough. May benif you were true Philippine forum was not so happening.

My goodness the god of morale please drink some scotch and let the devil come out.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1828193]Nothing illustrates this point better than the number of virgins (cherry girls) working in the various venues who would not consider doing the 'see above'. However, encounter one of these girls experiencing some sort of for real money crisis (family, accident, etc.) and all bets are off. Here becomes a situation where an old guy foreigner of low morale, bad character, and not god-fearing and who dreams of buying pussy by the hour can take advantage.[/QUOTE] I think you will find that most girls working in gogo bars cherry or not are already of the low morale type imho.

Look back a few pages to my trip report where a cherry girl was more than willing to give a blow job and let me eat her pussy if I bar fined her, no extra payments needed.

,most supposed cherry girls are only cherry until they find the client willing to pay enough to take their suposed cherry, they entered the bar buisness knowing that probably they would be selling hand jobs, blow jobs,sucking pussy and eventually they will be probably selling pussy for money too.

girls of good morales would not be seen dead working in a gogo bar cherry or not, they go out get educated or work long hours for very little pay but would rather that than be seen any where near a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828216]I think you will find that most girls working in gogo bars cherry or not are already of the low morale type imho. girls of good morales would not be seen dead working in a gogo bar cherry or not, they go out get educated or work long hours for very little pay but would rather that than be seen any where near a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]OK, that's a point you've made clear enough: some girls are good, some girls are bad, end of story.

As for certified cherry girls working in go-go bars: we believe there is a broader cross-section in play. A lot has to do with how they are recruited and what their expectation is for the actual work -- initially. Once in action, it's then a slippery slope. Factor in the incentive to consume alcohol, peer pressure, money, etc. And morality adjusts -- situational determinism. You can project your own morals unto the girls: keep in mind they can do the same for you.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1828041]One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fianc on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.[/QUOTE]It is a common occurance if you visit Philippines often and date normal girls from dating sites. They meet many online and as I understand quite a few support these girls without having never visited.

I have had few girls answer their phones when I am with them. It is a game they play. It is not confined to only Philippine girls. Even for the occasional visitor having a young GF comes with lots of trust issues. Girl is not going to sit and home twist her thumbs watching tv waiting. More so if she gets money every month. She is going to go out meet boys and fuck.

These days I see only normal girls through DIA. After being with them I tell them do not expect any support till I see them next time. Next time I will have new girls lined up but may see one or two of my previous favorite ones. Previously I have supported some girls through school and glad to say they got good jobs. At the same time I am fully aware of trust issues. What I do not see does not bother me. I have told them to go out and have fun if they want. But as you can imagine none has confessed and I do not expect them to either.

All stories are duly noted. Please note they are all just STORIES, told by second hand and one sided and/or pure speculation. No reports here by bar girls, girl friends, wives or victimized online contacts or personal meet ups to tell the other side.

Could it be that good girls feel they have no other options to feed their family?

Could it be that the "victimized" sponsor, boyfriend, husband and what ever is just merely a volunteer?

[QUOTE=Sammon;1828373]These days I see only normal girls through DIA. After being with them I tell them do not expect any support till I see them next time.[/QUOTE]Why would you tell them that? The normal girl that I see do not ask for support and I do not give them any support.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827904]I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.

Now on to pussy.

Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.

There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.

There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,

Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.

you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.

many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,

not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.[/QUOTE]Totally agreed! I've been to both Phil and Thai, and I couldn't agree more with everything here. Of course, everyone has there own preferences and opinions depending on what your looking for.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1828392]All stories are duly noted. Please note they are all just STORIES, told by second hand and one sided and/or pure speculation. No reports here by bar girls, girl friends, wives or victimized online contacts or personal meet ups to tell the other side.

Could it be that good girls feel they have no other options to feed their family?

Could it be that the "victimized" sponsor, boyfriend, husband and what ever is just merely a volunteer?[/QUOTE]We build knowledge through our own experiences and noting experiences of others. One can make strenuous efforts to go into denial and / or dismiss such experiences, it is your life. Good luck to you. Equally, you are right in that some girls are mistreated by men. Then they have to build on their own knowledge and experience. My message is that it is dangerous to jump into the swimming pool before checking that there is water in the pool! Especially marrying bar girls, be very very careful. There are other options than bar girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1828438]Why would you tell them that? The normal girl that I see do not ask for support and I do not give them any support.[/QUOTE]Well, some do think it is ok to ask for money saying usual things. Whenever we talk on skype or ym they come out with stories. I ignore them saying I cannot send money. I will help only when I come there next.

Last cute 18 year old I spent time with was very nice. She works in a factory and is the eldest in family of 5 with no father she says. In the evening she helps her mother sell Balut. Totally romantic. When I was leaving she said she will use part of the money I gave to buy a bag for sister to take to school. Immediately I took her to a store and got the bag. Some small things light up their life.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1828041]One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fianc on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.[/QUOTE]It is this knowledge that allows me to easily say no to a girl on line when the request for money comes. Some of these girls I really do like But they will not be getting money from me unless I am actually physically there with them. Sometimes I get the urge to grab the phone when these guys call and say Wake the fuck up dude she's playing you like a fiddle.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1828671]Sometimes I get the urge to grab the phone when these guys call and say Wake the fuck up dude she's playing you like a fiddle.[/QUOTE]I would never be the type to bust up a girl's hustle; especially if I didn't plan to step up and replace what she would be losing. I had to get on my cousin about that once. We were having a get together at my place in Thailand and the chick that my cousin was banging boyfriend called. She went out on the balcony and my cousin wanted to go out there and make all kind of noise. I told him if he didn't plan on taking care of her then shut up and know your role.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1828688]I would never be the type to bust up a girl's hustle; especially if I didn't plan to step up and replace what she would be losing.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Imagine if a working girl interrupted me during my phone conversation with my wife. Similar thing. Don't do it.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1828471]We build knowledge through our own experiences and noting experiences of others. One can make strenuous efforts to go into denial and / or dismiss such experiences, it is your life. Good luck to you. Equally, you are right in that some girls are mistreated by men. Then they have to build on their own knowledge and experience. My message is that it is dangerous to jump into the swimming pool before checking that there is water in the pool! Especially marrying bar girls, be very very careful. There are other options than bar girls.[/QUOTE]I doubt if I am in denial about such terrible 2nd party experiences but to accept them at face value would be nuts.

Also to label "AC bargirls" as a terrible bunch to marry is absurd. Same advice to be very very careful to marry bargirls would apply to any group of girls. I haven't seen any real statistics that bg divorcee rate is higher than any other groups. I doubt if the bg divorcee "jackpot" is any higher than another group's.

In America the divorcing spouse by law is entitle to only HALF of the assets and earnings accumulated from the DATE of marriage unless there is a written agreement stating other terms and conditions. Assets acquired prior to marriage can be kept and maintained as Sole and Separate Property provided it is not supported by "community property" during the marriage. Even if supported by community property it can remain sole and separate by written agreement with the spouse. Best not to co-mingle pre-marriage assets with community property assets. Even if co-mingling occurs it is still possible to sort it out during the divorce proceedings. Costly but possible.

Given these laws, I don't know how someone can become victimized! Especially more by a bg than another good girl.

If someone puts the wife's name on title, he volunteer.

If someone buys her a house, he volunteer.

If someone opens a bank account in her name, he volunteer.

If someone makes a loan, he volunteer.

Disclaimer. I am not an attorney nor am I dispensing legal advice here. I am merely disputing some of the "victim mentality" and stories here.

My advice: Consult an attorney prior to marriage.

Good for you. Your cousin maybe thought he'd be helping out the guy, but it was probably his own green-eyed monster in play. I have to admit I took an ego hit shortly after arriving in a Moalboal, Cebu love nest when a gal took a call which ended with, "I love you too. ".

I milk those incidents for all they're worth by teasing the girl afterwards. I get her in bed and ask her for all the naughty details. Tell her I'll have to punish her. Tell her she better give me better than what he got.

Disclaimer: I like naughty talk in bed. Tell the gal you'll treat her like a princess outside the room, but you want her to be a sult in the bed. It usually works.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1828688]I would never be the type to bust up a girl's hustle; especially if I didn't plan to step up and replace what she would be losing. I had to get on my cousin about that once. We were having a get together at my place in Thailand and the chick that my cousin was banging boyfriend called. She went out on the balcony and my cousin wanted to go out there and make all kind of noise. I told him if he didn't plan on taking care of her then shut up and know your role.[/QUOTE]

Hi there,

I'm new to this. I'm interested in having someone take me under there wing. Show me around. Any help would be much appreciated I'm hope to do my first trip early this year.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=XMan;1828830]Disclaimer: I like naughty talk in bed. Tell the gal you'll treat her like a princess outside the room, but you want her to be a **** in the bed. It usually works.[/QUOTE]I like this idea. I am definitely going to try this on my next pick up, no matter where it is.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1828769]

My advice: Consult an attorney prior to marriage.[/QUOTE]Sage advice. In addition, if a guy does get a prenup then consult a Filipino attorney, have it drawn up in English plus in Tagalog and, if applicable, in the girls own native language as well (ie Bisaya). Otherwise the prenup could be thrown out of court as she could claim she didn't understand it. This has happened in the USA.

[QUOTE=XMan;1828830]SNIP


Disclaimer: I like naughty talk in bed. Tell the gal you'll treat her like a princess outside the room, but you want her to be a sult in the bed. It usually works.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1828900]I like this idea. I am definitely going to try this on my next pick up, no matter where it is.[/QUOTE]It frequently works quite well, I've done it many times. Something else along the same lines to try if you're into it is asking her to be your sex slave when your in private. I'm in AC now and one of the girls staying with me readily agreed. The other two girls and I are having great fun with our "slave". She'll get a very generous tip when we're done.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1829259]Sage advice. In addition, if a guy does get a prenup then consult a Filipino attorney, have it drawn up in English plus in Tagalog and, if applicable, in the girls own native language as well (ie Bisaya). Otherwise the prenup could be thrown out of court as she could claim she didn't understand it. This has happened in the USA.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Also make sure she has an attorney representing her and signs off stating she / he has represented her in this matter.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1829261]It frequently works quite well, I've done it many times. Something else along the same lines to try if you're into it is asking her to be your sex slave when your in private. I'm in AC now and one of the girls staying with me readily agreed. The other two girls and I are having great fun with our "slave". She'll get a very generous tip when we're done.[/QUOTE]Thanks Pip, looks like you are having a ton of fun with 3 chicks all in one go. Ride them hard!

I guess I will stop at ****. I am not into the slave thing or any other fetishes. 5555.

I don't know what's going on in this thread, but there hasn't been any reports in the past few pages. Can we get back on track, fellas?

Anyways, I'm reporting on my adventures from last night. This is my first time in this city and country, and chose angeles because it's basically the pattay of ph. I'm staying at Devera, which is conveniently located near fields and everything is within walking distance. I got a pretty good deal on agoda. The room is small, but it gets the job done. I started the night by walking around fields ave and walking street, but even on a Saturday night, things seemed to be dead. Having read some reviews on other sites, and my own good experience in Bangkok, I decided to go into Angel witch first.

It wasn't busy at all, I was able to grab a seat next to the DJ close to the front. Man, I was totally disappointed by the selection here. I couldn't tell if most women were pregnant or just fat. There were 3 decent looking girls on stage, but the rest I wouldn't even do a double take in public. After a few drinks and looking through 3 rotations of women, I opted to go with the prettiest one. However, the mamasan brought me the wrong girl, although the girl she brought me was the 3rd prettiest. By the way, they don't barfine here, you have to negotiate with the girl. Also, beer and lady drink prices have gone way up, not just here, but everywhere. The bar raids and crappy economy are taking it's toll, as well as the meteoric rise of the US dollar. Her name is "Lisa", and we chatted over a few drinks, but nothing came of it, she was dull and uninteresting. She wanted 3000 for short time, which is until 5 am (it was 11 pm at the time). I sent her away and told the mamasan to bring me who I originally asked for, but she was occupied by another gentleman (figures, just my luck). During this time, a coyote dancer goes on stage and destroys it. She was very beautiful, flexible, and has a nice body, but on the older side, probably late 30's. I considered barfining her, but I'm sure she would want a hefty fee, which you would get your moneys worth in bed. I opted not to as she was also occupied by another gentleman. I pay my tab and head out.

Walking up and down walking street, the atmosphere just isn't comparable to how Thailand is. You can feel fun, excitement, and energy in the many walking streets in thailand, but here, it's just depression and desperation. I noticed some beautiful women in front of Q bar, and head in there. Wow, the selection is 500% better here, and even the waitresses are beautiful. I chat up the waitresses, and they help me pick out a girl to barfine. The rates here varies between regular girls 2400-3000, to spotlight girls 3000-3500, I presume for LT. I ended up having one girl come to drink with me, but she was young (19) and uninteresting. The waitresses were fun, funny, beautiful, energetic, and sexy, I started to joke around about barfining them, but then the conversation turned real. I've never took a girl out who wasn't meant to be taken out. I wanted to see if it's possible (this was pretty new and exciting for me). After a few drinks, and some hard negotiating, I was able to barfine a waitress (her name is Trixie, she just started here and has never barfined with someone before, and hasnt had sex in 4 months, all of these pretty much reveals itself later in the night), at a heft price, 4000 LT or 2 pops, whichever comes first. I paid the tab and we head to high society, which is a nice and I believe the only discotheque. We get some more drinks, dance and grind for about an hour, revving up my engine. We head back to my hotel in a trike (BTW, if you're tall these things are a fucking nightmare to sit in).

We get back to my room, do some light french kissing and fingerbanging, she tasted very sweet. She has a nice body with bcup boobs. She's a starfish, and resisted doing many things like kissing or give a BJ. I missionary her hard for a bit and then I pop. She wanted to rest for 5 minutes until round two, but we were both pretty exhausted and drunk. We ended up sleeping the night and woke up at 7 am, where I started getting in the mood again. This time she doesn't kiss me at all and refuses to give me a BJ (said I should have asked for it earlier, she doesn't like doing it, especially first thing in the morning). Oh well, she gets on top and rides, but makes me do all of the work between grinds, so I get on top and drill her for every penny I paid. I blast inside of her, clean ourselves up, and she leaves.

It was a pretty expensive and disappointing night to be honest. I'm here for one more night, let's hope my second time around is better. I told the other waitress I might come back tonight to barfine her, she was gorgeous, but given my experience of barfining a waitress, it might not be worth it. I want someone experienced at doing this and knows how to please a man, even if it's p4 p. With that said, I feel like Trixie was willing to sex me because I fulfilled her criteria enough for a one night stand, but because I barfined, it took away the willingness factor and turned her into a working girl. We live and we learn, right?

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1828471]We build knowledge through our own experiences and noting experiences of others. One can make strenuous efforts to go into denial and / or dismiss such experiences, it is your life. Good luck to you. Equally, you are right in that some girls are mistreated by men. Then they have to build on their own knowledge and experience. My message is that it is dangerous to jump into the swimming pool before checking that there is water in the pool! Especially marrying bar girls, be very very careful. There are other options than bar girls.[/QUOTE]Is there any compelling reason for a monger to marry a Filipino, bar girl or not? Getting married in the Philippines would quickly put an end to the cheap fun that brings mongers there in the first place. Nothing is more pathetic than a monger who willingly takes up legal obligations that prohibit him from mongering only to go sneaking around on tiptoes trying to find a way out of it. All a foreigner gets out of marriage in the Philippines is the legally enforceable obligation to financially support the Filipino and her family. The foreigner still cannot own real property in his own name. His Filipino wife, on the other hand, can now own and has rights to the foreigner's assets in his homeland. In the event of the foreigner's untimely demise she may be entitled to survivor's benefits from his pension, social security, life insurance, etc. He may actually be unwittingly creating an incentive for his wife, her family, and her Flip lover to murder him in order to gain full access to his assets and benefits.

Even girls who never set foot in a bar get approached by Flips looking to use her as a means of tapping into the foreigner's money. They see the marriage as purely a financial arrangement and the foreigner does not get any respect. In fact, he worsens his position by marrying a native. The wife and her relatives will now keep him under close observation. If he is caught fucking other girls, she can now invoke Philippine laws on adultery which carry a jail term for the foreigner.

The wife is now entitled to his money so he can no longer keep it from her and her relatives. If he does not hand it over she can get a Flip attorney and bring suit for insufficient spousal support, and fleeing the country is out of the question since this means he will not be able to clear immigration due to pending legal action. So, there is nothing to be gained for the foreigner by marrying a Filipino but there is a lot to lose. Why go there?

I'm not sure how sexual peccadillos can be "off track" for the AC thread. Nevertheless, thanks for the report.

Hope you got lucky on your last night. BTW, AC waitress are generally fair game and sometimes the door girls too. I've had good luck with waitresses, so don't judge your entire AC adventure on one dud. I'm not sure why the EarlyWorkRelease (that you paid) was more than a spotlight gal.

SkyTrax is the other dance club, but not as nice as HSociety.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1829479]I don't know what's going on in this thread, but there hasn't been any reports in the past few pages. Can we get back on track, fellas?

Anyways, I'm reporting on my adventures from last night. This is my first time in this city and country, <<SNIP>>

It was a pretty expensive and disappointing night to be honest. I'm here for one more night, let's hope my second time around is better. I told the other waitress I might come back tonight to barfine her, she was gorgeous, but given my experience of barfining a waitress, it might not be worth it. I want someone experienced at doing this and knows how to please a man, even if it's p4 p. With that said, I feel like Trixie was willing to sex me because I fulfilled her criteria enough for a one night stand, but because I barfined, it took away the willingness factor and turned her into a working girl. We live and we learn, right?[/QUOTE]

She "readily agreed"? Bless her naughty heart. Can I have her phone number!

I don't think I could stomach getting a gal to crawl around like I've seen in some videos. But a few playful restraints, a spanking, and some naughty talk would make me a happy camper!

I'd ask for more details, but if you are enjoying an AC harem, you'd probably be best to stick to business. Have fun!

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1829261]It frequently works quite well, I've done it many times. Something else along the same lines to try if you're into it is asking her to be your sex slave when your in private. I'm in AC now and one of the girls staying with me readily agreed. The other two girls and I are having great fun with our "slave". She'll get a very generous tip when we're done.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1829502]I'm not sure how sexual peccadillos can be "off track" for the AC thread. Nevertheless, thanks for the report.

Hope you got lucky on your last night. BTW, AC waitress are generally fair game and sometimes the door girls too. I've had good luck with waitresses, so don't judge your entire AC adventure on one dud. I'm not sure why the EarlyWorkRelease (that you paid) was more than a spotlight gal.

SkyTrax is the other dance club, but not as nice as HSociety.[/QUOTE]All I'm reading is about marriage, and legal / financial obligations of it. I'm here for / about mongering, I think if you want to discuss things not directly related to mongering, there are other websites and forums for that.

I've never been able to get a waitress or doorgirl in any country, must be different here in the PH. I paid higher because she said no to all of my offers until it was enticing enough, everyone has a price, hers was pretty high I guess.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1829572]All I'm reading is about marriage, and legal / financial obligations of it. I'm here for / about mongering, I think if you want to discuss things not directly related to mongering, there are other websites and forums for that.

I've never been able to get a waitress or doorgirl in any country, must be different here in the PH. I paid higher because she said no to all of my offers until it was enticing enough, everyone has a price, hers was pretty high I guess.[/QUOTE]Those things are directly related to mongering. Because some guys go to mongering places and since they can't get laid at home or get attention to women, they fall in love with the first girl that treats them decent. Next thing they want to spend their entire vacation with them, go back home and contemplate how they can get the hooker to their country or when they can go back and spend more time with her. The next thing you know they are married and getting taken for all they have. Or they are sending monthly remittance to hookers. So it is directly related.

Surprising you have never been able to get a door girl or waitress. What countries were these? Hell, in a lot of places I will go in and fuck the mamasan. And it cost you more? The door girls and waitresses command less than the girls on the stage. Maybe the girl just didn't like you at first then you gave her a price she could not refuse.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1829493]Is there any compelling reason for a monger to marry a Filipino, bar girl or not?[/QUOTE]Or marry anyone for that matter? The thing I have figured out is that many guys are serial monogamists. I have many friends and family members who go from one marriage or long term relationship right into another. A few months back an old Navy and college buddy hit me on facebook saying that he had broken up with his wife of 20 years, his college sweetheart. They have 5 kids together. 2 that are in college now. I was thinking yeah we can hang like the old days when we were stationed in San Diego or in school in Atlanta. We could take a trip to Thailand or Philippines to kick it. Next thing I know this guy gets on cam saying this is my new Korean girlfriend. I'm like man what the fuck.

I see absolutely no reason for me to get married. And when I explain it to women they agree. I come and go as I please. I have money. I cook. I clean. How is getting married going to make my situation any better than it is now? I am not a young guy who is looking to build a life and have kids with someone. My daughter is an adult now and I have my eyes set on retirement. I can have a different chick everyday whether she is of the paid or non-paid variety. So what is getting married going to do for me?

A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)

Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".

For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information.

Yes, AC has changed in the last ten years, especially in 2012 and 2013 it happened a lot in this regard. Now the situation has somewhat stabilized. So why do mongers keep coming back here if it's less good than before. Two reasons: 1. Other destinations habe also decline in quality. 2. AC has a special style that no other place have (which makes up the love-hate stuff).

Come here if you want: 1. to have unpretencious fun. 2. to expect the unexpected. 3. to have lots of good sex PSE. 4. to have exiting and non-commiting (NSA) GFE sex. 5. to have fun for a relative small amount of money, OR spend a lot of money (depending of your likes or budget). In short: this is a place for many different interests and type of mongers. And it's EASY to get and it's found in a COMPACT area.

BUT, it is not a destination for all. Don't come here if you MUST HAVE this: 1. the most beautiful girls. 2. varied non-mongering activities. 3. clean and hassle-free streets. 4. serious / Long-term relationships. Then other places are better for you, but remember that one place is not better than the other, just different, that's why the best you can do is to visit all the main monger places in Asia.

Bottom line: AC is still a great place for the horny male.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1829682]Or marry anyone for that matter? The thing I have figured out is that many guys are serial monogamists. I have many friends and family members who go from one marriage or long term relationship right into another. A few months back an old Navy and college buddy hit me on facebook saying that he had broken up with his wife of 20 years, his college sweetheart. They have 5 kids together. 2 that are in college now. I was thinking yeah we can hang like the old days when we were stationed in San Diego or in school in Atlanta. We could take a trip to Thailand or Philippines to kick it. Next thing I know this guy gets on cam saying this is my new Korean girlfriend. I'm like man what the fuck.

I see absolutely no reason for me to get married. And when I explain it to women they agree. I come and go as I please. I have money. I cook. I clean. How is getting married going to make my situation any better than it is now? I am not a young guy who is looking to build a life and have kids with someone. My daughter is an adult now and I have my eyes set on retirement. I can have a different chick everyday whether she is of the paid or non-paid variety. So what is getting married going to do for me?[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with every single point you have mentioned here. It is like looking into the mirror. #Respect.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1829572]I've never been able to get a waitress or doorgirl in any country, must be different here in the PH. I paid higher because she said no to all of my offers until it was enticing enough, everyone has a price, hers was pretty high I guess.[/QUOTE]As mentioned in some responses, doorgirls, massage girls, even mamasans are all fair game. At least they will certainly not get offended if you ask them. They may refuse but tthat can come from a girl on the stage too.

Read a few pages back to reports by IllusionHeart and myself about our joint New Year holiday in Manila & AC. Illusion got two waitresses over a 4 day period and 1 got a door girl on my last day. Neither of us paid anything more than the usual price for other regular stage girls. The only ones that ask for a higher price are the spotlight girls / cultural dancers / show girls or whatever shit they choose to classify them lasses.

But you are right about everyone having a price. And if that floats your boat, who is to argue?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1829703]A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)

Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".

For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information.

Yes, AC has changed in the last ten years, especially in 2012 and 2013 it happened a lot in this regard. Now the situation has somewhat stabilized. So why do mongers keep coming back here if it's less good than before. Two reasons: 1. Other destinations habe also decline in quality. 2. AC has a special style that no other place have (which makes up the love-hate stuff).

Come here if you want: 1. to have unpretencious fun. 2. to expect the unexpected. 3. to have lots of good sex PSE. 4. to have exiting and non-commiting (NSA) GFE sex. 5. to have fun for a relative small amount of money, OR spend a lot of money (depending of your likes or budget). In short: this is a place for many different interests and type of mongers. And it's EASY to get and it's found in a COMPACT area.

BUT, it is not a destination for all. Don't come here if you MUST HAVE this: 1. the most beautiful girls. 2. varied non-mongering activities. 3. clean and hassle-free streets. 4. serious / Long-term relationships. Then other places are better for you, but remember that one place is not better than the other, just different, that's why the best you can do is to visit all the main monger places in Asia.

Bottom line: AC is still a great place for the horny male.[/QUOTE]Have to disagree with most of your post.

Just like your claims of some members commenting on what is not so good in angeles we have some members that post only positive mainly to bang the angeles drum and to try to put some bums on their empty bar seats, it works both ways,

What I get from this forum is information, good and bad, it is up to each of us to read through and make up our minds as to which posts ring true and which posts are saying the same things, unfortunately for angeles most of the posts have been negative for some time, some like yourself are mostly,if not all positive posts, one could argue why they are,could there be an agenda?

Your claims of people keep coming back to angeles is very debatable, not sure when you were last in angeles but I have been there twice in the last couple of months and as most if not all members are reporting angeles is dead,the streets are dead, bars are dead, hotels are struggling, restaurants have little custom, most of my friends who live here in thailand who would be regular angeles visitors some years ago refuse to visit now,i myself would not visit any where near as much as i do for pleasure only,my regular visits are firstly on buisness and family purposes with some bar hops thrown in for something to do in the evenings,

Yes I fully agree that a first time want to be visitor should not be put off by by negative reports if he is adamant he wants to try angeles, but at the same time many 1st time visitors visit angeles after reading glowing reports posted by the few members with an agenda and empty bar seats only to be left very disapointed as has been pointed out in the many trip reports recently,it works both ways.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1829847]Have to disagree with most of your post.

Just like your claims of some members commenting on what is not so good in angeles we have some members that post only positive mainly to bang the angeles drum and to try to put some bums on their empty bar seats, it works both ways,

What I get from this forum is information, good and bad, it is up to each of us to read through and make up our minds as to which posts ring true and which posts are saying the same things, unfortunately for angeles 90% of posts are negative, some like yourself are 100% positive, I wonder why?

Your claims of people keep coming back to angeles is very debatable, not sure when you were last in angeles or if ever but I have been there twice in the last couple of months and as most if not all members are reporting angeles is dead, bars are dead, hotels are struggling, restuarants have little custom, most of my friends who live here in thailand who would be regular angeles visitors some years ago refuse to visit now,i myself would not visit any where near as much as i do for pleasure only,my regular visits are firstly on buisness and family purposes with some bar hops thrown in for something to do in the evenings,.[/QUOTE]People been telling me Angeles City is dead and not the same since I started going way back in 2012. My Advice is too see for yourself. Take what people tell you with a grain of salt. I'm heading back in April. At the end of the day Walking Street has thousands of girls so don't think its so bad that your not going to get laid and can't have sex. Plus the world economy is in Recession and in a free fall right now, so that should be good for USA mongers. Last time I was in Angeles City for every $100 I was only getting P4100 Pilipino Pesos now its almost P4750 now. Also for you mongers complaining about girls turning you down at the bar. Who cares just move on, life is too short to stress, new 18 year old pussy is coming to the market everyday. I rather have a hard time and get turn down at the bar then she acting funny when we are in the bedroom and I just wasted my bar fine.

Angeles City.

Some people like it.

Other people don't like it.

The end.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1829853]Angeles City.

Some people like it.

Other people don't like it.

The end.[/QUOTE]I like it.

Have to fully agree that asking door girls / waitresses / mamasans if they will spend some time with us does not hurt, some will, some won't,just like the dancers.

Some of my best girls / memories have been with door girls / waitresses.

Only one thing to be careful of is that most door girls / waitresses wear a cover up uniform which restricts being able to see what's underneath, if you are like me and want non mummies with great bodies and no stretch marks then ask the girl first if she has children again she will not take offence.

All things posted here are quite debatable. As all mileage may vary on a whole lot of factors. I personally am happy with my mileage. Of course each girl responds differently and may vary on each meeting. Most girl I have met usually move on within 6 months, either they move back to the province or find a boyfriend.

Lots have been written about how bad relationships can be with bgs. I will say that I have seen MANY old codgers limping around on canes and in wheelchairs with much younger dutiful wife's or girlfriends taking care of them. Last week I saw the same 90+ year old lanky old man who resembled Dennis Rodmans dad eating dinner at the new Brettos on fields. His 40 year wife was taking good care of feeding him. I have seen them around a few times together.

So not everything is set in concrete.

[QUOTE=XMan;1829509]She "readily agreed"? Bless her naughty heart. Can I have her phone number!

I don't think I could stomach getting a gal to crawl around like I've seen in some videos. But a few playful restraints, a spanking, and some naughty talk would make me a happy camper!

I'd ask for more details, but if you are enjoying an AC harem, you'd probably be best to stick to business. Have fun![/QUOTE]It started out as a joke and went from there. Was all in good fun, nothing overly sadistic. Although I will say she enjoyed a good spanking which was actually delivered by one of the other girls.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1829479]

I started the night by walking around fields ave and walking street, but even on a Saturday night, things seemed to be dead.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't exactly say it was dead on Saturday night or Sunday either, but it was no where near what it was like just 2 years ago when I was here about the same time. At about 1 am High Society was packed. Most of bars seemed fairly empty. Crystal palace at about 12:30 was nearly empty. Dollhouse had only about 8-10 customers, but the vibe was good. Left after one drink with my girls as they wanted to dance.

Between the last three nights I don't recall the names of all the bars I went into, but I will say that with very few exceptions that each place did have several, if not many, very attractive girls. By attractive I mean tight bodies, tall and short, light to darker skinned. Some the exceptions with low quality (chubby, older, etc) I recall: Angel Witch, Vikings, Geckos, Asia and Shooers. Caveat: I was there between 9 pm and 3 am, so there is a chance that the hotties were already gone.

Spent a few nights last week people watching on Fields. What was really noticeable was the groups of Asian men and women together walking around taking group selfies. Just like it was a tourist spot like Amsterdam!

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1829703]A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)

Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".

For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information.

Yes, AC has changed in the last ten years, especially in 2012 and 2013 it happened a lot in this regard. Now the situation has somewhat stabilized. So why do mongers keep coming back here if it's less good than before. Two reasons: 1. Other destinations habe also decline in quality. 2. AC has a special style that no other place have (which makes up the love-hate stuff).

Come here if you want: 1. to have unpretencious fun. 2. to expect the unexpected. 3. to have lots of good sex PSE. 4. to have exiting and non-commiting (NSA) GFE sex. 5. to have fun for a relative small amount of money, OR spend a lot of money (depending of your likes or budget). In short: this is a place for many different interests and type of mongers. And it's EASY to get and it's found in a COMPACT area.

BUT, it is not a destination for all. Don't come here if you MUST HAVE this: 1. the most beautiful girls. 2. varied non-mongering activities. 3. clean and hassle-free streets. 4. serious / Long-term relationships. Then other places are better for you, but remember that one place is not better than the other, just different, that's why the best you can do is to visit all the main monger places in Asia.

Bottom line: AC is still a great place for the horny male.[/QUOTE]Agree with your post.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1829847]angeles is dead,the streets are dead, bars are dead, hotels are struggling,[/QUOTE]Another one of your many dubious (incorrect) speculations with incorrect facts (incorrect exaggerations?). Fields Ave during high season is "dead"?...Ridiculous. It's not Pattaya Walking Street, but no one can say it's dead. Someone must be going to the bars, because there's still many girls working. Someone is building something huge next to Phillies, where that old house was, so some investors think Angeles is not dead.

Some bars are struggling, but many bars are not. It's survival of the fittest. Two of the popular hotels (Amsterdam, Walkabout) aren't full everyday during high season like before, but it is still full of customers.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1829911]Agree with your post.

Another one of your many dubious (incorrect) speculations with incorrect facts (incorrect exaggerations?). Fields Ave during high season is "dead"?...Ridiculous. It's not Pattaya Walking Street, but no one can say it's dead. Someone must be going to the bars, because there's still many girls working. Someone is building something huge next to Phillies, where that old house was, so some investors think Angeles is not dead.

Some bars are struggling, but many bars are not. It's survival of the fittest. Two of the popular hotels (Amsterdam, Walkabout) aren't full everyday during high season like before, but it is still full of customers.[/QUOTE]Did not expect anything else from you greenbud, flames and little input are all you are good for IMHO.

Read back many posts, many recent trip reports, most if not all members reporting angeles dead,angeles very quiet, angeles not as before etc etc.

the latest trip report was from board member thomcat,he clearly states angeles not busy at all,angeles was expensive,i was disapointed by my trip

Are you saying we are all blind,we are all ridiculous, we all give incorrect facts,that thomcats trip report is lies and only your perception of things counts or is the truth?

anyways as not to bore fellow board members please feel free to pm me and i will gladly discuss your views,what you claim to see and why you would want to claim such with you in private,

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1829911]Agree with your post.

Someone must be going to the bars, because there's still many girls working. Someone is building something huge next to Phillies, where that old house was, so some investors think Angeles is not dead.
[/QUOTE]The new construction to which Greenbud refers will include a small strip mall and a nightclub designed to compete with and outshine the two alternatives that are currently available. The nightclub will, according to the people building it, be of a much higher class than its competitors such as High Society and far less raucous, with softer music and conversation pits. It should prove to be a much needed addition to the current scene and will be intended for a different type of clientele than those frequenting High Society.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1829940]Are you saying we are all blind,we are all ridiculous, we all give incorrect facts,[/QUOTE]If you can comprehend English, I am saying you (only you) are giving some incorrect facts.

Some of the things you write are correct. Some of your speculations (which it seems you think are facts) I disagree with, but I'm not going to comment on it because the discussion will be endless.

But you have written incorrect facts to support your speculation. You have never answered or replied to the incorrect mis-statements I wrote about in your previous posts.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1829989]If you can comprehend English, I am saying you (only you) are giving some incorrect facts.



private pm sent to you greenbud.maybe now you will stop your constant whining/flaming, baseless accusations.

sorry to all the other board members for having to put up with this crap

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1829981]The new construction to which Greenbud refers will include a small strip mall and a nightclub designed to compete with and outshine the two alternatives that are currently available. The nightclub will, according to the people building it, be of a much higher class than its competitors such as High Society and far less raucous, with softer music and conversation pits. It should prove to be a much needed addition to the current scene and will be intended for a different type of clientele than those frequenting High Society.

GE.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a refreshing change from High Society. If it also has no smoking it will be perfect.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1829981]The new construction to which Greenbud refers will include a small strip mall and a nightclub designed to compete with and outshine the two alternatives that are currently available. The nightclub will, according to the people building it, be of a much higher class than its competitors such as High Society and far less raucous, with softer music and conversation pits. It should prove to be a much needed addition to the current scene and will be intended for a different type of clientele than those frequenting High Society.

GE.[/QUOTE]If this is in fact true GE then it is welcome news.

Few times I visited high society it was too loud and smoky for my liking.

I will look forward to trying this new place out, any news on how long it will be till ready?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830035]If this is in fact true GE then it is welcome news.

Few times I visited high society it was too loud and smoky for my liking.

I will look forward to trying this new place out, any news on how long it will be till ready?[/QUOTE]I forgot to ask when the projected opening will occur, but I suspect the construction won't take very long. I'll try to check on the prospective opening and, if I find out anything new, I'll post the information here.

GE.

Wow,

I'm highly surprised at the responses from my original trip report. It basically goes to show you the polarity of Angeles as a mongering destination. I have never seen such animosity in any other threads. Thanks to everyone for replying and contributing your opinions, I think the purpose is to help newbies and veterans get to know the going ONS about each specific city and its scene. For me, I browsed through the threads to get some insider information and tips on how to navigate AC, since it's my first time in the PH and AC. I hadn't formed an opinion about the place or allowed anyone's bias to affect me. I came with an open mind with no expectations, so my trip report and opinion are based on someone's first time experiences there.

I was always under the assumption that only the gogo girls were for sale, I never thought everyone was. Although to be perfectly honest, why would you go for someone who's not on stage? They do it for a living, willingly (for the most part), experienced, and their bodies are on display. Everyone else is not experienced, bodies arent revealed, and can't be too sure of their experience level. As a caveat to all of this, I've never considered barfining waitresses, staff, or mamasans because I probably never thought they were attractive enough, until I got to AC. It's also probably because the gogo girls were lacking and I needed other options.

As mentioned earlier, I paid higher for Trixie because I was her first customer to do so, EVER. I don't think she ever had any intentions to do it, unless it was a perfect storm of circumstances to convince her (she wanted an attractive body and face, fun, funny, and nice, and a high enough price). For the fact that I couldn't have her, is why I was willing to pay more, it made her more irresistible and I had to have her. I later found out that everyone is available, I ended up barfining the other waitress, at the regular price of 2400, full report to come soon.

Personally, and this is my opinion, AC is not my cup of tea. But I did want to see and experience it. I think there are better options out there. I'm still young (33 now) and am travelling the globe to find the best destinations for my 60 year old self. I have mongered in 20 countries / places thus far, with 2 more within the next month. I'm still learning, even though I have half a decade of experience, although that pales in comparison to you fellas who probably have a quarter of a century or more. I'm grateful for this forum, and hope that we can keep it civil and share information whenever we can, after all, we're brothers in this community, are we not?

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1829703]A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)

Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".

For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information. .[/QUOTE]Thank you for putting the current state of this forum up to the light.

Over the last few months the disrespect for AC and it's inhabitants (by a few posters) has been running wild. They are wrecking the fun of reading this board and pushing their ugly idea of what this hobby about. I can barely stomach it. The constant put down of the sex workers, the preaching of morals, (who has them and who doesn't).

I'm hoping these guys get tired of posting and eventually disappear otherwise this forum will be worthless. The god fearing exhortations and the detailed vulgar well written descriptions of the working locals in AC (or elsewhere) are worthless to fun loving mongers. Why some here patronize these losers is beyond me.

I am planning a trip to the Philippines / AC in 2016 and July seems to be an easy month to go, due to circumstances at work.

However, the weather in the Philippines is reportedly bad (= lots of rain) during this month. Anyone who have lived in AC or been in the city during the "wet season" of the calendar who have any insight or advice? Shortly, is it a deal-breaker?

I know, we are obviously not going because of the weather, but I would appreciate some comments from anyone with more experience than me.

Thanks in advance!

FredB

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1829889]I wouldn't exactly say it was dead on Saturday night or Sunday either, but it was no where near what it was like just 2 years ago when I was here about the same time. At about 1 am High Society was packed. Most of bars seemed fairly empty. Crystal palace at about 12:30 was nearly empty. Dollhouse had only about 8-10 customers, but the vibe was good. Left after one drink with my girls as they wanted to dance.

Between the last three nights I don't recall the names of all the bars I went into, but I will say that with very few exceptions that each place did have several, if not many, very attractive girls. By attractive I mean tight bodies, tall and short, light to darker skinned. Some the exceptions with low quality (chubby, older, etc) I recall: Angel Witch, Vikings, Geckos, Asia and Shooers. Caveat: I was there between 9 pm and 3 am, so there is a chance that the hotties were already gone.[/QUOTE]The saying YMMV could not be more relevant. AngelWitch / Roadhouse and Gekos are my two favorite bars in AC. Sure, some are a little chubby but all are happy and smiling and great fun to have a drink with. It may be all about fucking but it should be all about fun as well.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1830126]Wow,

I'm highly surprised at the responses from my original trip report. It basically goes to show you the polarity of Angeles as a mongering destination. I have never seen such animosity in any other threads. Thanks to everyone for replying and contributing your opinions, I think the purpose is to help newbies and veterans get to know the going ONS about each specific city and its scene. For me, I browsed through the threads to get some insider information and tips on how to navigate AC, since it's my first time in the PH and AC. I hadn't formed an opinion about the place or allowed anyone's bias to affect me. I came with an open mind with no expectations, so my trip report and opinion are based on someone's first time experiences there.

I was always under the assumption that only the gogo girls were for sale, I never thought everyone was. Although to be perfectly honest, why would you go for someone who's not on stage? They do it for a living, willingly (for the most part), experienced, and their bodies are on display. Everyone else is not experienced, bodies arent revealed, and can't be too sure of their experience level. As a caveat to all of this, I've never considered barfining waitresses, staff, or mamasans because I probably never thought they were attractive enough, until I got to AC. It's also probably because the gogo girls were lacking and I needed other options.

As mentioned earlier, I paid higher for Trixie because I was her first customer to do so, EVER. I don't think she ever had any intentions to do it, unless it was a perfect storm of circumstances to convince her (she wanted an attractive body and face, fun, funny, and nice, and a high enough price). For the fact that I couldn't have her, is why I was willing to pay more, it made her more irresistible and I had to have her. I later found out that everyone is available, I ended up barfining the other waitress, at the regular price of 2400, full report to come soon.

Personally, and this is my opinion, AC is not my cup of tea. But I did want to see and experience it. I think there are better options out there. I'm still young (33 now) and am travelling the globe to find the best destinations for my 60 year old self. I have mongered in 20 countries / places thus far, with 2 more within the next month. I'm still learning, even though I have half a decade of experience, although that pales in comparison to you fellas who probably have a quarter of a century or more. I'm grateful for this forum, and hope that we can keep it civil and share information whenever we can, after all, we're brothers in this community, are we not?[/QUOTE]Thomcat, thanks for your trip report and your views, I thought they were well balanced and truthful.

Yes you are correct about the animosity from the same handful of members on the angeles threads.

There is a reason for this, and its monetary, no body in buisness especially a failing buisness likes to see anything negative said, yes, they will gang together, try to discredit/silence any member who dares tell the truth, or who dares post anything remotely negative about angeles.

Anyways, I am sorry angeles was not your cup of tea, at least you have tried it now and can look for new places to monger.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1830126]I was always under the assumption that only the gogo girls were for sale, I never thought everyone was. Although to be perfectly honest, why would you go for someone who's not on stage? They do it for a living, willingly (for the most part), experienced, and their bodies are on display. Everyone else is not experienced, bodies arent revealed, and can't be too sure of their experience level. [/QUOTE]Well 1 out of 4 is bad! Yes the girls on stage may have their bodies displayed but that says jack shit to their experience. How many guys have barfined a girl from the stage only to find out she was shit in the sex department? Everyone else in there does not have their bodies displayed but they do IT for a living as well and are possibly more experienced than the girls on the stage. In Thailand the waitresses wear numbers the same as the girls on the stage. I am not sure if this is true for PI as well. Showing a body does not mean anything. There was a day when Blow Row was a bustling side street. None of the girls there showed their bodies (instead they were inside their bars with normal clothes on) but in the bed they would knock your socks off.

I agree 100% with BeachBoy that it should be fun as well. Some guys concentrate too much on finding their dream girl. There is a poster in the Pattaya section who just said he went all over the city and couldn't find the kind of girl he was looking for. When he finally found one that he was happy with and took her back she turned out to be a starfish. So he finally found what he was looking for, but was it worth it in the end? I am so glad that I am not as picky as a lot of the guys on the board. I can walk into almost any place with the intention of having a good time and find someone that I will fuck. Even if she is not the best looking thing on the planet, if we are vibing and getting along well then I am down. I have fucked plenty of 10's over the years. These days having fun is what I am out for.

[QUOTE=FredBratten;1830193]I am planning a trip to the Philippines / AC in 2016 and July seems to be an easy month to go, due to circumstances at work.

However, the weather in the Philippines is reportedly bad (= lots of rain) during this month. Anyone who have lived in AC or been in the city during the "wet season" of the calendar who have any insight or advice? Shortly, is it a deal-breaker?

I know, we are obviously not going because of the weather, but I would appreciate some comments from anyone with more experience than me.

Thanks in advance!

FredB[/QUOTE]If you are planning to travel extensively in the phills or to dive, beach, sports, treck etc etc then obviously its not the best time to visit, it does not rain in the phills it pours down,sometimes for days, December to febuary would be ideal.

Now if you are planning just an angeles mongering trip, drinking, fucking and sleeping then it is very easy to do these things without any problems, best advice stay in a hotel that provides free limo service, it will take you out to the bars and pick you and your girls up at will without getting wet.

So, no need to cancel an angeles trip because its rainy season IMHO.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1830126]



Personally, and this is my opinion, AC is not my cup of tea. But I did want to see and experience it. I think there are better options out there. I'm still young (33 now) and am travelling the globe to find the best destinations for my 60 year old self. [/QUOTE]Thom nice reports.

In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.

Angeles is best for Peter Pan-ish men like myself old enough to be your father and beyond who want young girls to treat them like thier first teenage BF. Its shallow as hell but that's AC. Myself at 33 would have laughed at the whole scene frankly, and not be as diplomatic as you in my analysis.

Thats just one mans view, I personally appreciate AC and realize its not everyones cup of tea for sure. Honestly I would be curious about why any young western man would like the place.

First time in AC and I'd like to post my first day thoughts as well as some questions for the rest of my trip. By the way I'm in AC until Feb 5th so PM me if anyone wants to meet up.

I got to AC around 3 pm. My hotel was right next to Fields, 1 minute walk. The first thing I did was walked around Fields and seeing how nothing was open around that time (3:30 pm) I decided to take a nap at the hotel. At 6 pm, after dinner, there was a lot more activity. Reading the experiences of the more experienced members, I visited several bars and walked out when I did not see anyone attractive. You had to do this I think because the waitresses will hound you as soon as you get in to buy a drink for yourself. This was annoying thing #1 for me. Before I even have a chance to see whether the place was worth staying in or not, I was being asked to pay 100-150 p for a drink which I didn't need. I walked out of several bars feeling guilty that I didn't buy a single drink for the minute that I was in there checking out the girls.

In one of the early bars I visited, I did see a fairly attractive lady and called her over and got her an LD. I was kind of surprised at the LD costs 240-300 each. I guess this is a "double LD" and it seems to be the standard order nowadays. Anyways the girl was kind of shy but we had a decent conversation. I eventually asked to BF her but she was on her period. Big fail right there. I dunno why these girls are even on stage, but lesson learned.

After a few bar hops, at around 7 pm, I landed at Icarus where as soon as I walked in, there was a girl on stage smiling at me. I called her over, got her a drink (240) and again was hounded by waitresses for drinks for me / them which I ignored since I was only interested in the girl I picked. Her English was passable and even though we didn't quite click I figured that I already spent some time looking I decided to BF her. Total price to take her out was about 2700. We walked back to the hotel, and the first thing she said was that she's hungry. So we walk all the way back to Icarus which has a restaurant next to it. I ate already and just ordered for her. Total damage was about 400 or so. Getting back to the hotel, after watching some Tagalog TV, we fucked for about 10 minutes, the experience wasn't too bad. But afterwards, we had no words for each other. She said she was bored and wanted to go barhopping. I didn't find any value staying with her for another several hours, so I said she can go back to her bar. Tipped her 200, which I don't even think was worth it for ST.

At 9:30 I was horny again. First bar on this second going, there was a pretty attractive dancer at Rhapsody I think it was. I called her over, 300 p LD, we talked a bit and found she's been in AC for 5 years. We never really had an interesting conversation, and learning from my previous girl, I didn't ask for the BF.

Right next door was La Bamba. The atmosphere seems a lot more alive than any other bar I've been in thus far. I was asked to sit, and a pretty hot waitress came by and immediately offered herself for 3000 p. She was quite energetic so I tried to negotiate for 2500 but she didn't want to. I decided to check out the girls on the stage. The waitress then introduced a pretty new dancer to sit with me. This dancer wasn't as attractive, but she had her hands on my body the whole time so I decided to get her an LD. Meanwhile the original waitress and another who came by were hounding me to get drinks for them. My think was if she didn't want to go with me then why would I pay for any of their drinks? Anyways I ignored them for the most part and continued talking with the shy dancer girl. We had a decent conversation and it sounds like she's my type of girl. Eventually I BF'd her for something like 2400. But when we got back to the hotel, she figured out her period just started. Obviously I was very disappointed at this time. I said we should go back to the bar and I'll talk with the mamasan. She didn't want to do that so I gave her an option to stay and do it despite her period. Which is safe from a health perspective. She refused initially but eventually we settled on that option. Not much else to say about that. Sent her back without a tip.

Overall my impressions thus far is that there's a big upfront cost with the multiple LDs and potentially waitress tips just to get a girl. I never ended up tipping the waitresses, but even then my average thus far has been around 700 p per girl. One of the main contributors to the upfront cost is the uninterested attitudes of a lot of these girls, leading to potentially boring experiences back at the hotel.

Here are my questions:

1. Is there a way to avoid double LDs.

2. Is is rude to not tip the waitresses?

3. Should I just be generally less accommodating to all the working girls on Fields. Like making sure the girl and I have chemistry before paying for her LD? The upfront costs just seems like a waste.

Thanks!

I was 20 when I first went to the Philippines. It was a different era, but I now appreciate the great lesson that was Subic Bay, the chaos, the sex, the stink of shit river bridge, the mirage of gals standing in boats under the bridge asking for coins, the tattoo parlors, the endless row of live bars (full on bands) and the sleazy and sleazier.

Yea, it's kind of hard for an old guy like me to relive dancing with go go girls to the beat of the be-52's, the crazy house parties, and the live-in harems of the barrette beach bars.

And I fully agree with Pantot. Don't even think about visiting the Philippine until your are 50 or 70. Unless you are 20! LOL X.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1830315]Thom nice reports.

In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.

Angeles is best for Peter Pan-ish men like myself old enough to be your father and beyond who want young girls to treat them like thier first teenage BF. Its shallow as hell but that's AC. Myself at 33 would have laughed at the whole scene frankly, and not be as diplomatic as you in my analysis.

Thats just one mans view, I personally appreciate AC and realize its not everyones cup of tea for sure. Honestly I would be curious about why any young western man would like the place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredBratten;1830193]I am planning a trip to the Philippines / AC in 2016 and July seems to be an easy month to go, due to circumstances at work.

However, the weather in the Philippines is reportedly bad (= lots of rain) during this month. Anyone who have lived in AC or been in the city during the "wet season" of the calendar who have any insight or advice? Shortly, is it a deal-breaker?

I know, we are obviously not going because of the weather, but I would appreciate some comments from anyone with more experience than me.

Thanks in advance!

FredB[/QUOTE]No one has ever died from rain in 25 degree celsius warm weather. A typhoon is a different matter, then you get a girl for a few days and hunker down.

1. Say single drink only.

2. Waitress could be your friend in sorting out the girls. I usually tip them.

3. Yes.

Thanks for the answer Dg.

One other thing I wonder about is how you guys have been able to I guess make LT even worthwhile. I find the conversations with the girls thus far to be pretty unexciting and we get bored of each other quickly. Their limited English certainly makes any deeper subjects off-limits. 2 out of the 3 girls I've been with wanted to go back to the bar after the first round anyway, possibly because I was BF'ing those two at 7-8 pm. Are you more experienced guys getting LT frequently and how are you actually spend your time together so you don't bore the fuck out of each other?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1830523]1. Say single drink only.

2. Waitress could be your friend in sorting out the girls. I usually tip them.

3. Yes.[/QUOTE]Just returned from Subic Bay and Angeles City after spending a week there. Encountered some girls on their period like Tass but was informed after buying them a lady drink and moved on. Your comment about the waitress's being your friend is excellent advice that I employed during my stay. They can sort out which ones have kids, can't do LT, etc. Without having to buy Lady drinks and finding out on your own. There are so many girls available you really need some help sorting them out when a waitress can narrow it down for you. And yes the waitress's should be tipped for their assistance when taken. Good advice.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1830315]Thom nice reports.
Honestly I would be curious about why any young western man would like the place.[/QUOTE]Because a young Western man may want an endless amount of pussy in very short time without having to jump through hoops for it you idiot.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1830353]First time in AC and I'd like to post my first day thoughts as well as some questions for the rest of my trip. By the way I'm in AC until Feb 5th so PM me if anyone wants to meet up.

I got to AC around 3 pm. My hotel was right next to Fields, 1 minute walk. The first thing I did was walked around Fields and seeing how nothing was open around that time (3:30 pm) I decided to take a nap at the hotel. At 6 pm, after dinner, there was a lot more activity. Reading the experiences of the more experienced members, I visited several bars and walked out when I did not see anyone attractive.

After a few bar hops, at around 7 pm, I landed at Icarus where as soon as I walked in, there was a girl on stage smiling at me.

First bar on this second going, there was a pretty attractive dancer at Rhapsody I think it was.

Right next door was La Bamba.

Here are my questions:

1. Is there a way to avoid double LDs.

2. Is is rude to not tip the waitresses?

3. Should I just be generally less accommodating to all the working girls on Fields. Like making sure the girl and I have chemistry before paying for her LD? The upfront costs just seems like a waste.

Thanks![/QUOTE]In the afternoons before the bars on Fields open up you can go to Perimeter Road bars like Firepit, Night Moves, etc. Read back a few pages and you will get the information that can save your life in the day time.

The names of the bars you visited and picked girls from are fairly uncommon. People often talk about bars like Atlantis, Viking, Voodoo, Kings Landing, Shipwreck. This is a refreshing change. Good to see someone go off the beaten path.

As for the questions, here are my 2 cents:

1. You could ask for the single LD but the amount you save is insignificant. You don't want the girls in the bar to think you are a Cheap Charlie.

2. Tip generously if the service is good. Most waitresses can be helpful in filtering out the girls for you. Considering it payment for information.

3. There is not right or wrong answer to this. As long as you have fun you should be willing to pay for it, If it seems like harassment then put your foot down. Remember, customer is king.

Tass, thanks for your trip report so far and welcome to the new angeles.

First things first, most girls will order a dld as standard, yes you could insist on just a single drink for the girl which she could refuse or accept but put you firmly in the tight catagory of guys she is not interested in, don't forget prostitutes are there to earn money not to save us money, buy the dld if you like her enough and want to try to get laid.

Short time is the standard from any girl that is young, slim, attractive and in high demand, that's if she barfines at all of course, accept this if you want these type of girls, of course if your not fussy and chubby. Older, fugly is ok then these girls will normally accept long time as they have little chance of getting multiple high commision drinks bought for them by staying in the bar.

As far as conversation, don't forget that angeles bargirls mainly come from the outback, jungle, village, they have very little education if any at all, don't expect to hold meaningful conversations with these girls, less talking and more fucking is my advice.

Do not fall for the pressure sales from waitresses, bargirls, mamasans to buy everyone a drink, tip everyone, spend what you feel ok with not what they are ok with, as you have found out already buying drinks is no guarantee of getting laid in angeles, far from it. buy only the 1 dld and only for the girl i am interested in and nobody else in is how i roll in angeles,

Sorry to hear your trip is not going too good at the moment,your not the only one,

I think the best advice to give you is to be very patient, yes a high majority of pretty / slim bargirls have no intention of barfining with anyone or they are very selective on who they will barfine with, accept this fact, if you want these type of girls then the only way to get them is to take the chance of buying them at least one drink, if they make excuses not to barfine then move on to the next, yes I know its a very frustrating and expensive way to do buisness but that is the new angeles city for you, no other choice where bars are concerned unfortunately.

Want pinays that fuck for a living then Manila is a much better and a much easier choice but also much more expensive IMHO.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1830353]First time in AC and I'd like to post my first day thoughts as well as some questions for the rest of my trip. By the way I'm in AC until Feb 5th so PM me if anyone wants to meet up.

I got to AC around 3 pm. My hotel was right next to Fields, 1 minute walk. The first thing I did was walked around Fields and seeing how nothing was open around that time (3:30 pm) I decided to take a nap at the hotel. At 6 pm, after dinner, there was a lot more activity. Reading the experiences of the more experienced members, I visited several bars and walked out when I did not see anyone attractive. You had to do this I think because the waitresses will hound you as soon as you get in to buy a drink for yourself. This was annoying thing #1 for me. Before I even have a chance to see whether the place was worth staying in or not, I was being asked to pay 100-150 p for a drink which I didn't need. I walked out of several bars feeling guilty that I didn't buy a single drink for the minute that I was in there checking out the girls.

In one of the early bars I visited, I did see a fairly attractive lady and called her over and got her an LD. I was kind of surprised at the LD costs 240-300 each. I guess this is a "double LD" and it seems to be the standard order nowadays. Anyways the girl was kind of shy but we had a decent conversation. I eventually asked to BF her but she was on her period. Big fail right there. I dunno why these girls are even on stage, but lesson learned.[/QUOTE]1.) I never buy a double ladies drink the first time. Maybe its just superstition on my part but every time I buy a double ladies drink its bad luck, the girl almost always says she's on mens or has some other excuse not to bar fine. (maybe she feels she making enough money on ladies drinks and doesn't have to bar fine) I always order a single ladies drink the first time and every time I do they almost always agree to bar fine with me,(maybe she feels she's not making enough on ladies drinks so wants to bar fine to make a little more) and I tell the girls this as well that it is bad luck to order a double ladies drink the first time with a girl.

(I never sit down stairs in Atlantis, maybe its my own superstition but every time I sit down stairs the girl I call over is never willing to bar fine. I always sit up stairs and to the right. Every time I sit up stairs and to the right I have 100% success rate on being able to bar fine the girl I want).

2.) I always tip the waitress as some have said here its good to have a good waitress on your side when trying to bar fine a girl. However, if the girl I call over has some excuse not to bar fine than I don't leave a tip for the waitress or any one else. (develop the psychology that the girl who agrees to bar fine means a tip and bringing a girl who will not bar fine means no tip. The waitress is more likely to make sure the girl is willing bar fine with you).

3.) I always make it perfectly clear before I call a girl over for a drink that she has to be willing to bar fine. I ask the waitress or the mamason to ask the girl if she is willing to bar fine with me and if so have her come over for a drink. There is no point in wasting time or money if I'm calling a girl over its because I have intentions of sleeping with her so I want it understood right from the beginning that she has to be willing to bar fine before we even start talking.

Chris

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1830589]Just returned from Subic Bay and Angeles City after spending a week there. Encountered some girls on their period like Tass but was informed after buying them a lady drink and moved on. Your comment about the waitress's being your friend is excellent advice that I employed during my stay. They can sort out which ones have kids, can't do LT, etc. Without having to buy Lady drinks and finding out on your own. There are so many girls available you really need some help sorting them out when a waitress can narrow it down for you. And yes the waitress's should be tipped for their assistance when taken. Good advice.[/QUOTE]Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.

Firstly who is to say that waitress knows any of the girls or is friends with any of the girls,some bar groups employ hundreds of girls who mostly switch and change bars regularly, the waitress could have just started work that same day in the bar or last week and know very little of what goes on or who does what,of course if you offer to buy her a drink she will accept and maybe lie/bullshit,its all about the easy money she can earn not the welfare of the punter imho

Of the long serving waitresses/mamasuns I am very friendly with and speak openly with, most will steer customers to the few bargirls where she gets most commision whether that be a cut of the girls lady drinks commisions or barfine, she will mainly tell the customer what he wants to hear, it might not be factual at all just where she earns most money,nothing to stop her saying yes so and so will do xyz only for the girl to find an excuse not to,i have seen many waitresses/mamasans call girls over to a punter,introduce them,5 lady drinks and a couple of mamasun drinks later the punter is left with his dick in his hand lol,

Have never found the need for waitresses, mamasans to lead me towards girls, see the girl you like, buy her a drink and ask if she fucks, its not rocket science. The girls the waitress / mamasan says go out may not be my cup of tea or not want to go out with you or I,its the girls choice what she will accept and what type of customer she will accept not the waitress or mamasans regardless of what they might claim.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1830552]Thanks for the answer Dg.

One other thing I wonder about is how you guys have been able to I guess make LT even worthwhile. I find the conversations with the girls thus far to be pretty unexciting and we get bored of each other quickly. Their limited English certainly makes any deeper subjects off-limits. 2 out of the 3 girls I've been with wanted to go back to the bar after the first round anyway, possibly because I was BF'ing those two at 7-8 pm. Are you more experienced guys getting LT frequently and how are you actually spend your time together so you don't bore the fuck out of each other?[/QUOTE]1. There really isn't any common interests both of you will have for a conversation other than the weather. The weather is always hot and it is either raining or not. She and / or her family is trying to survive day to day. You obviously are beyond at least month to month survival and have extra money for travel and pussy. Certainly you are not going to have more than an elementary conversation about politics, corruption and a few other things. Also your frame of reference is completely different from hers. Example: AC is a shithole to you. To her, AC is a modern city with bus runs (jeepneys) supermarkets (JJ market) and mega malls like SM Clark.

How ever you can still have a cordial conversation with the girls.

2. To break the ice, I usually let them use my tablet for Facebook after the first boom boom. After a few minutes they will be giggling and laughing at some of the posts. Then they will have a conversation showing you their family or friends and / or their homes.

3. I always stock combs, toothbrushes, shampoo and hair conditioner and tell them up front before they shower. One I hate the cizgarette smell in their hair and it makes them feel welcome for LT.

Also do not keep your air con lower than 23. They will be freezing and want to go home.

Also let them watch one of their favorite educational shows on TV like Sponge Bob.

Good luck and boom boom on.

Tasss,

One few questions about whether you can get LT or not.

Are you in decent physical shape?

Do you smoke? A lot? Are you coughing and hacking in the room?

Are you mostly drunk?

Their are some posters here that will say none of this will make a difference. But I totally say BS to that.

DG8787.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830740]Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.
[/QUOTE]Agree with most of what you said, especially in the larger bars, but even in the smaller bars they will usually steer you towards their friends or a girl who has not been bar fined in while (and consequently will give the waitress or mama a larger commission). About the only time I consult a mama or waitress is if I want something specific like a bi girl (lesbian as they call them here) or a 3 holer.

As to conversation, it's a crap shoot, but as others have said the majority are uneducated province girls with a lot of space between their ears.

At Tass.

One tatic for checking out the talent in some of the smaller bars is to simply tell the door girl who escorts you in or the waitress that you're looking for your friend. Then take walk thru the bar and check out the girls.

If you see some you like then buying yourself a drink, even just a soda or juice, is pretty much a given. To get rid of the pesky waitresses or bar girls who want to sit with you then you and want you buy them LD's then you need to learn a simple phrase: "In a while". In Pinay speak that can mean anything from a few seconds to never, LOL. Simply ask them to leave and tell them "maybe in while".

I always tip the waitress who brings my drinks, but then again I'm not a koripot budget traveler.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1830315]Thom nice reports.

In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.
.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with the 'patronizing' treatment. They make you feel like a king, fold your clothes, wash your back, polish your balls, swallow, carry bags, buy Globe load.

I find it is best to have a life outside of relying on them for conversation though.

Chris long,

Your idea of only buying single lady drinks to girls who say they will barfine is not fool proof IMHO, here's why.

Most bars have very few girls that are slim attractive or are my type, the type of girls I am attracted to have many choices, many asian guys willing to buy them many dld, s,

Now if one wants to stand a chance of maybe getting the top girls to barfine I find buying at least 1 dld is a good start.most top girls just do not accept sld,s even if they are the barfining type,its all about the money,top girls want guys that buy many dlds and show their willing to spend big,

After all, why would a top looking girl want to spend her time with a punter who only wants to buy a sld when she can sit with others that are willing to buy dld, s,tip her large, buy ballons. Make it rain etc etc, I know if I was a prostitute where I would spend my time.

As for buying drinks only for girls that promise of barfining, what's to stop the girl accepting the drinks, excusing herself to go to the loo and returning to claim she is sorry but she had started her period, or she has developed a stomach ache,a headache etc etc or even worse accepting the barfine and claiming she has mens back at the room when its to late to get any cash back,

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]I think the best advice to give you is to be very patient, yes a high majority of pretty / slim bargirls have no intention of barfining with anyone or they are very selective on who they will barfine with, accept this fact, if you want these type of girls then the only way to get them is to take the chance of buying them at least one drink, if they make excuses not to barfine then move on to the next, yes I know its a very frustrating and expensive way to do buisness but that is the new angeles city for you, no other choice where bars are concerned unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I think most all girls in the bar barfine even the young hot ones slim whatever. The entire culture there is conditioned to make you think if they don't want you it because they don't want anyone. Its simply not true. If you have game you can get the girls to go. If they don't want the whole system is evolved to let you down gracefully and not let you / them lose face. I suppose if you live there and are a denizen that gets to know the culture initmately on a daily basis for months on end you might be able make that judgement. But all almost all young hot tight girls are there to move to the next level of they find a possible 'Mr. Right".

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]Do not fall for the pressure sales from waitresses, bargirls, mamasans to buy everyone a drink, tip everyone, spend what you feel ok with not what they are ok with, as you have found out already buying drinks is no guarantee of getting laid in angeles, far from it. buy only the 1 dld and only for the girl i am interested in and nobody else in is how i roll in angeles,[/QUOTE]Yes they are used to getting rejected, buy the drinks for the girls you want to get to know better only. The loud waitress or mamsan will only inhibit you from getting toknow the girl you want to actually fuck better.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]Want pinays that fuck for a living then Manila is a much better and a much easier choice but also much more expensive IMHO.[/QUOTE]AC girls are 90% amatuers which is what I want very true.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.

Firstly who is to say that waitress knows any of the girls or is friends with any of the girls, she could have just started work that same day in the bar or last week and know very little of what goes on or who does what,of course if you offer to buy her a drink she will accept and maybe lie/bullshit,its all about the easy money she can earn not the welfare of the punter imho [/QUOTE]This is 100% true. How can any waitress know what I like? The girls are actually closely tight lipped about thier personally predilictions in the sack. Its a very conservative culture even in the bars. I suppose for example if you are obsessed with anal and one girl was famous for it or 3 somes etc it could help you. For me I am hopelessly conventional and no waitress / mamsan could know what makes me and a specific girl click.

Finally just an observation on the whole AC bargirls aren't like what they used to be and don't want to get barfined riff, its overblown. Is there a minute percentage that think thier shit doesn't stink or are kept women by some foriegner? Yeah but its so tiny. If they were truly taken care of they wouldn't be in AC. They will go with the right guy, just because its not you doesn't mean its no one. Maybe it was you 10 years ago but not you now. My game is on its waning crescent for sure. I still sometimes get 18 to 21 yo fresh girls where they all say, waitresses and mamsans, wow she doesn't go with anyone! But I know that won't last and often its BS. Its all alot of bullshit I know one day sooner rather than later they will run from me. Enjoy it while it lasts -to paraphrase cesaer, I think? The fault lies not in the bargirls dear brutus but in oursleves.

Panlot,

agree with some of your post and respectfully not with other points.

Claiming anyone who has game can get the lookers to go is not my experience and not the experience of many of the younger / fit / good looking guys I have barhopped with in angeles.some only in their late 20s early 30s with all the good looks and game in the world,

Hell, some times the guys i was with were prettier / younger with better bodies than the bargirl and still got shot down.

What I and many are saying is that many of the better looking girls have worked out that they can earn far more cash staying in the bar and earning high drinks commisions, tips etc than to take the often much lower paid barfine option.

I know top angeles girls that are close friends that earn large amounts per month without fucking anyone, combining their salary, commisions and the love sick that insist on sending / giving monthly payments by western union mostly without even meeting the girl and they do very nicely indeed,

Girls not accepting barfine or making excuses not to barfine is a very wide spread problem in angeles as had been reported in almost all recent trip reports by members.

Yes I agree that guys should be clean, well mannered, brush their teeth, not be drunk etc etc but to the girls that have the looks and the body to earn large sums by not barfining this means very little, it is not a personal thing, she goes where the easy / most money is, after all she is a working girl so to be expected to chase the easy money IMHO.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830848]Girls not accepting barfine or making excuses not to barfine is a very wide spread problem in angeles as had been reported in almost all recent trip reports by members.
[/QUOTE]Again, if this is the new normal in AC, then I don't know why you guys put up with it. In Manila, better looking, friendlier, and more savvy girls are just waiting for punters to walk into their bar so they can show you a good time, unless you are a troglodyte or something else is seriously wrong with you.

So IMHO, it sounds like the AC bar culture has gone to the shit house if what you, NapaSlapper, and others are saying is correct. I don't know because I was last in AC in 2014 and had a pretty good time with a few great gals I met in Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile), La Bamba, and Shipwrecked (then One Eyed Wench). I always preferred punting in Manila even back then because I like hanging out in the big city over a small town. There is more to do and I like the anonymity in big city landscapes. I never much liked Atlantis or Dollhouse. Even in 2014, it seemed to me that Atlantis and Dollhouse girls had their heads up their asses and all but a few of their girls were actually that good looking and worth it. I hate the MC guy too. He reminds me of an AM radio DJ circa the 60's and the Vietnam War.

Prior to the year of the raids, AC used to be one of the great watering holes in Asia. It has always been a sleazy one horse town, but it was our town and a lotta fun, with very accommodating girls and prices that were the lowest in Asia except for Phnom Penh. It's interesting to note that the P4P scene has also deteriorated sharply in Phomn Penh since 2010 with many hostess girls on their "mens" when it gets time to barfine them. Thank Buddha that Manila, BKK, Pattaya, and Jakarta are still great although prices in these places keep going up.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1830929]Again, if this is the new normal in AC, then I don't know why you guys put up with it. In Manila, better looking, friendlier, and more savvy girls are just waiting for punters to walk into their bar so they can show you a good time, unless you are a troglodyte or something else is seriously wrong with you..[/QUOTE]Its not the new normal in AC. This bizarre new narrative that a healthy percentage of the hottest AC bargirls don't barfine is just BS.

Are they more selective than the past? Hell yes that's a good thing. Its a sign of progress when girls actually choose to fuck guys they want to and not because they are obligated by the bar.

It sounds like guys making defensive excuses about why them and thier adonis buddies get rejected. Hey sometimes you are not the girls type. Young old asian, white, buff, slovenly, well dressed, incredible game whatever. Remember your game may not be thier ideal goal. Don't make excuses and blame the girls attitude. The waitresses mamasans will all tell you what you want to hear to soothe your ego I don't care how much you think you are an insider. You are not unless you are a filipino.

Look I have no agenda to promote AC. I have no vested interest. I don't have skin in the game but I go there quite a bit for many years. Recently there was a back and forth here where someone concluded Christmas and New Years was the wrong time to visit because the place was 'dead'. Ok then don't go. I don't know what dead means. The bars were all open exactly as any day of the year. The girl to monger ratio didn't change. The weather is much more temperate in that time of the year although this year it did rain quite a bit. But I'm not there to play golf and they have umbrellas so who cares?

AC is not for everyone but 98% of the girls are available, but maybe not to you so don't take it personally. Thats life in 2016 and thankfully the girls have choices and excercise them.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1830743]1. There really isn't any common interests both of you will have for a conversation other than the weather. SNIP


2. To break the ice, SNIP

3. I always stock combs, toothbrushes, shampoo and hair conditioner SNIP

[/QUOTE]4. As pointed out in another thread, chocolates are a great way to keep the girl around for long. I usually pile up some Toblerones and Hersheys Kisses on the study table. Girls squeal in delight when they see it and I tell them they can take some of it when they leave in the morning (thereby implying that she needs to stay for long time). Some girls don't get the hint and then I have to explain clearly that the chocolate is an incentive for staying long time. Other stuff like chips, peanuts, etc could also be used as bait, but none of these are as effective as chocolate.

As for conversation I have always found food to be a great ice breaker. Although I will opine that Filipino food is among the worst cuisines I have come across, it still makes interesting conversation. Also, you can talk about music if you are into it. Most Pinays are good with music. You could ask her to dance in private for you and applaud her on every move, she will love it.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1830949]Its not the new normal in AC. This bizarre new narrative that a healthy percentage of the hottest AC bargirls don't barfine is just BS.

Are they more selective than the past? Hell yes that's a good thing. Its a sign of progress when girls actually choose to fuck guys they want to and not because they are obligated by the bar.

It sounds like guys making defensive excuses about why them and thier adonis buddies get rejected. Hey sometimes you are not the girls type. Young old asian, white, buff, slovenly, well dressed, incredible game whatever. Remember your game may not be thier ideal goal. Don't make excuses and blame the girls attitude. The waitresses mamasans will all tell you what you want to hear to soothe your ego I don't care how much you think you are an insider. You are not unless you are a filipino.

Look I have no agenda to promote AC. I have no vested interest. I don't have skin in the game but I go there quite a bit for many years. Recently there was a back and forth here where someone concluded Christmas and New Years was the wrong time to visit because the place was 'dead'. Ok then don't go. I don't know what dead means. The bars were all open exactly as any day of the year. The girl to monger ratio didn't change. The weather is much more temperate in that time of the year although this year it did rain quite a bit. But I'm not there to play golf and they have umbrellas so who cares?

AC is not for everyone but 98% of the girls are available, but maybe not to you so don't take it personally. Thats life in 2016 and thankfully the girls have choices and exercise them.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Pantot. I was in Manila from 27 Dec to 30 Dec and then in AC from 30 Dec to 04 Jan. I have reported both stays in respective threads and I had an absolutely rocking time in AC. Not one day did I got to bed without a girl, not one morning did I wake up alone. Not one afternoon did I take a peaceful nap, LOL. Barring ONE girl in Viking who refused to barfine, every other girl I picked in any bar on Fields and Perimeter was willing to fuck for money. If the narrative was true then my rejection rate should have been higher.

I hope the damn law of averages doesn't catch up with me the next time I am there.

I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)

As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831159]I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)

As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?[/QUOTE]To Mr Enternational.

Eurotel try to do that to me also they will tell you that 1200 p is a Pinoy rate and the small room with no window is sold out, I just said good bye and walk out and told them I am going to Devera next door.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1831180]To Mr Enternational.

Eurotel try to do that to me also they will tell you that 1200 p is a Pinoy rate and the small room with no window is sold out, I just said good bye and walk out and told them I am going to Devera next door.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831159]

SNIP He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. SNIP The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. SNIP When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?[/QUOTE]Mr. E. you've been coming to the Phils often enough to know how math works here. Maybe you were tired and forgot, so I'll break it down for you as well as for the newbs:

1 day plus 1 night = 2.

2 x 1,200 pesos = 2,500 pesos (sorry sir, no small money for change so we just round up{ever notice how they never round down?

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1831195]Mr. E. you've been coming to the Phils often enough to know how math works here. Maybe you were tired and forgot, so I'll break it down for you as well as for the newbs:

1 day plus 1 night = 2.

2 x 1,200 pesos = 2,500 pesos (sorry sir, no small money for change so we just round up{ever notice how they never round down?[/QUOTE]Quite possibly as simple as the desk clerk was cuzsin to trike driver.

Might help to change Asian name from Fuk Yu.

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1830263]The saying YMMV could not be more relevant. AngelWitch / Roadhouse and Gekos are my two favorite bars in AC. Sure, some are a little chubby but all are happy and smiling and great fun to have a drink with. It may be all about fucking but it should be all about fun as well.[/QUOTE]Go to Angel Witch for the best 70/80's Rock Music. None of that heavy OOMPA shit. Girls are very friendly and the manager Chris is a very hospitable guy.

I have great fun at Gekos. Head straight to the table right down the end. The girls will fuck off if they are resting there. Some great things happen at that table, mostly wandering hands under it. Last time I bought a drink for two girlsAnd after 2 minutes one said"Can I see your little chicken" Well of course baby. Out came my cock and she kept it warm for about an hour, only stopping for reverse body shots. Took her home $2500 for the best GFE sex. These bars are great places to have many laughs. The girls love a happy smiling guy. They really get into it.

BTW I have no connection with these places. Just make them my first port of call every trip. BB.

Again, lots of good advice and opinions on this board. To answer a few questions from before regarding no LT, I'm in my early 30's, not in bad shape but on the thinner side.

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Yesterday was Day 3 which was more interesting. I went over to Perimeter Rd. Despite the reports that Perimeter has no lookers, I found a couple to my liking at After School. There was a fit 24 yo on stage, avg to slightly above avg looks. I asked her if she has a friend and she introduced me to another girl. We chatted up and ended up BF'ing them both.

After our 3-some session at my hotel, I was ready for them to tell me they want to leave, but they decided to stay. We had dinner, went barhopping a bit, went to KTV. Pretty good fun. But when we went back to the hotel around 12 midnight, no more sex. No sex the next morning either. Slightly disappointed with the single shot on goal. I thought multiples was a given with LT but apparently I was wrong. Next time I guess I'll just have to be straightforward during negotiations!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1830968]I have to agree with Pantot. I was in Manila from 27 Dec to 30 Dec and then in AC from 30 Dec to 04 Jan. I have reported both stays in respective threads and I had an absolutely rocking time in AC. Not one day did I got to bed without a girl, not one morning did I wake up alone. Not one afternoon did I take a peaceful nap, LOL. Barring ONE girl in Viking who refused to barfine, every other girl I picked in any bar on Fields and Perimeter was willing to fuck for money. If the narrative was true then my rejection rate should have been higher.

I hope the damn law of averages doesn't catch up with me the next time I am there.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, Nobody is saying that guys cannot get laid in angeles period

What we are saying though is that its very difficult to get laid by the better looking,slim,younger girls,

I get many not so attractive angeles girls. Chubby angeles girls, older angeles girls offering their services, I just am not interested in these type of girls at all, not even for free.

I am how ever genuinely happy for you that you are managing to find YOUR type of girl easy to barfine.

But remember YOUR type of girl might not be my type of girl or other board members type of girl.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1831267]Again, lots of good advice and opinions on this board. To answer a few questions from before regarding no LT, I'm in my early 30's, not in bad shape but on the thinner side.

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Yesterday was Day 3 which was more interesting. I went over to Perimeter Rd. Despite the reports that Perimeter has no lookers, I found a couple to my liking at After School. There was a fit 24 yo on stage, avg to slightly above avg looks. I asked her if she has a friend and she introduced me to another girl. We chatted up and ended up BF'ing them both.

After our 3-some session at my hotel, I was ready for them to tell me they want to leave, but they decided to stay. We had dinner, went barhopping a bit, went to KTV. Pretty good fun. But when we went back to the hotel around 12 midnight, no more sex. No sex the next morning either. Slightly disappointed with the single shot on goal. I thought multiples was a given with LT but apparently I was wrong. Next time I guess I'll just have to be straightforward during negotiations![/QUOTE]Wow, things are obviously worse than I thought in angeles.

Let me get this straight, you paid barfine for 2 slightly older, average looking perimeter road girls, took them out to eat, paid for drinks all night in the bars and KTV clubs at probably great expense and the girls refused to give more than 1 pop between them, Wow, don't tell me you tipped them too.

I could understand this behavior by the want to be princess walking st girls but perimeter girls, seriously.

And some on this board swear blind that angeles is the go to place for maximum fun LOL,

Anyways, keep smiling, it surely can only get better from here on.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1831306]With all due respect, Nobody is saying that guys cannot get laid in angeles period

SNIP

But remember YOUR type of girl might not be my type of girl or other board members type of girl.[/QUOTE]If I understand correctly, your previous posts do not have the same drift. At least I do not see it that way. You are absolutely right about one man's meat being another's poison. So let us move on with this discussion of whether people can get laid in AC or not. There are plenty of fish in that ocean for all of us to eat. Unless you want fresh deer meat on a boat in the middle of the sea.

Hi,

Can peeps please confirm the blowjob bars in Santos Street are still 800 PhP per pop?

Thanks kindly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831159]I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)

As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?[/QUOTE]With the stunt they tried to pull on you I would not of used a charge card to pay for the room as they may try to charge you the 2,500 per night on your card somehow.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1831267]Again, lots of good advice and opinions on this board. To answer a few questions from before regarding no LT, I'm in my early 30's, not in bad shape but on the thinner side.

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Yesterday was Day 3 which was more interesting. I went over to Perimeter Rd. Despite the reports that Perimeter has no lookers, I found a couple to my liking at After School. There was a fit 24 yo on stage, avg to slightly above avg looks. I asked her if she has a friend and she introduced me to another girl. We chatted up and ended up BF'ing them both.

After our 3-some session at my hotel, I was ready for them to tell me they want to leave, but they decided to stay. We had dinner, went barhopping a bit, went to KTV. Pretty good fun. But when we went back to the hotel around 12 midnight, no more sex. No sex the next morning either. Slightly disappointed with the single shot on goal. I thought multiples was a given with LT but apparently I was wrong. Next time I guess I'll just have to be straightforward during negotiations![/QUOTE]If your looking for a girl to do LT with I suggest you try taking one at a time and hopefully you will click with one that wants to stay with you. When you asked the 24 year old if she had a friend, she chose one of her best friends and they partied at your expense. During my stay last week in the Philippines I had a hard time getting rid of the girls, they all wanted to stay and would me send me texts / call to repeat.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1831433]Wow, things are obviously worse than I thought in angeles.

Let me get this straight, you paid barfine for 2 slightly older, average looking perimeter road girls, took them out to eat, paid for drinks all night in the bars and KTV clubs at probably great expense and the girls refused to give more than 1 pop between them, Wow, don't tell me you tipped them too.

I could understand this behavior by the want to be princess walking st girls but perimeter girls, seriously.

And some on this board swear blind that angeles is the go to place for maximum fun LOL,

Anyways, keep smiling, it surely can only get better from here on.[/QUOTE]Did not tip them. I figured the meals and KTV were enough payment. I mean I enjoyed their company, but the main event was cut in half or less.

Obviously I have no personal experience with AC from several years ago. But a guy who's been here for several years told me before that there was a lot more excitement even two years back. According to his words, it's a lot more commercial than before and the girls are here mainly to pay their bills. I can personally observe that a lot of the dancers just seem really bored and I wasn't sure if that was the norm.

[QUOTE=KrumLov;1831451]Hi,

Can peeps please confirm the blowjob bars in Santos Street are still 800 PhP per pop?

Thanks kindly.[/QUOTE]There's not that many of them but yes other than WoW bar which is 1000 PhP.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1831267]Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. [/QUOTE]Is there now a ST option? I still have not heard anybody mention one. How much is it?

I was in Shipwrecked with some friends who live here this afteroon at 3 pm. The BF there is 2400 pesos. I asked one girl how long she would stay for that and she said LT. I said yeah but how long is that? She said until tomorrow morning at 11 am. So 18 hours for 2400 pesos. For you Americans, that is $2.79/hour for some ass. That is less than it costs to park your car in many metropolitan areas. Maybe some guys just are not doing something right.

FYI: This girl is from Leyte and said her cousin who works at another bar is the one who got her to come to AC to work. She said she makes 3 bfs/month and gets 1000 from each one. Her lady drink comission is: SM Light 100 pesos, mixed drink 50 pesos, tequila 100 pesos. She didn't know why she got paid so much for the tequila.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1831474]Did not tip them. I figured the meals and KTV were enough payment. I mean I enjoyed their company, but the main event was cut in half or less.

Obviously I have no personal experience with AC from several years ago. But a guy who's been here for several years told me before that there was a lot more excitement even two years back. According to his words, it's a lot more commercial than before and the girls are here mainly to pay their bills. I can personally observe that a lot of the dancers just seem really bored and I wasn't sure if that was the norm.[/QUOTE]Tasss, let me first say, I don't think you are doing much wrong, as I said to you before welcome to the new angeles.

When I am there I look on all encounters as short time 1 pop because that is mostly what all the young pretty girls want these days, if the girl decides to stay long time or give more than 1 pop then I take this as an unexpected bonus.

Regardless of what the girl agrees to in the bar there is no way one can force a girl to stay or to do the xyz she said she would in the bar.

Yes who ever told you Angeles way way better few years ago was correct, angeles was also noticably much better before all the major bar raids started some 5-6 years ago,

Back before the raids long time was the standard from all girls with multiple pops even from the best looking girls,Blow jobs dished out in most bars while you enjoyed your drink,some times by multiple girls,lock in parties where it was a free for all, as you have found out this no longer is true by any stretch of the imagination,

Best advice I can give so that you make the most of your trip is to accept todays reality,those past years are gone,

As I said keep smiling there is little you can do to change the new angeles,go with the flow,yes i know its not ideal, above all don't listen to the guys that will tell you it could not possibly be the girls fault it must only be 100% your fault,

Keep us posted.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831577]I was in Shipwrecked with some friends who live here this afteroon at 3 pm. The BF there is 2400 pesos. I asked one girl how long she would stay for that and she said LT[/QUOTE]How are you able to be in Colombia and Philippines at the same time?

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1831678]How are you able to be in Colombia and Philippines at the same time?[/QUOTE]I am not. I left Colombia 12 days ago. I arrived in Philippines 2 nights ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831577]Is there now a ST option? I still have not heard anybody mention one. How much is it?[/QUOTE]I don't think there's really such an option. So far it's just between what the girl and I want to do. ST tips are simply less than LT tips.

It's kind of unexpected, but right now I think I'm enjoying the ST experience better than the LT. I think if you've got things to occupy yourself with when you're not with a girl, the ST route may be more suitable. It might be silly but I find that staying at the hotel, conversing with friends online, watching a movie etc beats having to deal with long awkward moments of silence and the girl playing with her phone all the time.

Thanks Vader. It's funny how WoW bar charges 1,000 and not 800 PhP. Any idea why they're more expensive?

[QUOTE=DarkVader;1831569]There's not that many of them but yes other than WoW bar which is 1000 PhP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1831306]With all due respect, Nobody is saying that guys cannot get laid in angeles period

What we are saying though is that its very difficult to get laid by the better looking,slim,younger girls,

I get many not so attractive angeles girls. Chubby angeles girls, older angeles girls offering their services, I just am not interested in these type of girls at all, not even for free.

I am how ever genuinely happy for you that you are managing to find YOUR type of girl easy to barfine.

But remember YOUR type of girl might not be my type of girl or other board members type of girl.[/QUOTE]Just finished a tour of AC and read some of the reports of walking street girls and the perimeter bars. In short I had 4 days to try both the day and night action.

The daytime bars have good pickings and I found ice bar and fire pit to be the most lively and most girls. Took girls from fire pit and both were ST and both performed. Left at 8 pm which suited me fine. Only had one rejection from fire pit. She claimed she was already bar fined by long time customer!

I also got some daytime LT action from Ponytails. There was a good selection of girls when I got there and their attitude was great. Girl was great fun with excellent attitude and good performer.

The walking street action was very mixed. Most of smaller bars had average girls and few customers. Shipwrecked has got a lot more girls but attitude is not good. Kings Landing had better girls and they were more fun and accommodating. A few small bars I tried I did get a no bar fine response from what I would call average girls. They were just not interested yet the bar was empty and they still said no. Strange but I just moved on.

Q bar was not good but I did find a real gem in Red Bar. Took her for a long time and we had a great night that ended up with two fabulous sessions. Unexpected as Q bar was not on my radar to visit. Did not enjoy being in it on my last trip but this time it was better.

Ra Bar is tricky. Good looking girls but the waitresses are too pushy for drinks. Tried a few other bars Bar Hopping and the one next to it. Both had few girls but Bar Hopping the girls were at least enjoying their work.

Not at lot of punters around but still a lot of girls. Visited High Society as well and it was pumping by 2 am. Lots of girls giving guys a good look. Did not take any girls from there as I had my own with me. Did see a lot of hook ups taking place though.

So in summary. The girls on perimeter were good fun and IMHO just as good as the ones on walking street. In the end if you are prepared to hunt then there is quality to be found. If you want 9's and 10's, not sure that there are that many around. Then again, I did not go to all the bars in AC!

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Axiata;1831801] Shipwrecked has got a lot more girls but attitude is not good. [/QUOTE]Word on the street is that Shipwreck recruited the mamasan and the whole busload of girls from Arcadia following a spat between the manager at Arcadia and the mamasan. Possibly they came with the same lousy attitude.

In response Arcadia raided Equus leaving that bar a bit dry.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1831474]But a guy who's been here for several years told me before that there was a lot more excitement even two years back. According to his words, it's a lot more commercial than before and the girls are here mainly to pay their bills. I can personally observe that a lot of the dancers just seem really bored and I wasn't sure if that was the norm.[/QUOTE]When was AC even non-commercial? Everything had a price, the only difference being the girls did not have other alternative sources of income. That has changed for sure and this change is here to stay.

About bills, the girls worked at the bars 10,8, 6, 4 years ago to pay their bills. Except that the bills have got bigger thanks to inflation and lifestyle choices. More mouths to feed too. 10 years back the population was around 80 mn and now its crossed a 100 mn.

All this said I think there is still plenty of opportunity to get laid every single day on a holiday with a different girl. If not, one should review your expectations and actions.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1831845]

All this said I think there is still plenty of opportunity to get laid every single day on a holiday with a different girl. If not, one should review your expectations and actions.[/QUOTE]We are going around in circles, yes we know that its possible to get laid in angeles every single day if one is willing to review (lower) their expectations as you suggest.

Its also possible to get laid at home by lowering ones expectations, mostly for free.

[QUOTE=Axiata;1831801]Shipwrecked has got a lot more girls but attitude is not good.[/QUOTE]And see this is the exact reason why you must go experience for yourself. Two posters (me and Axiata) with opposing views on the same place. I had a blast in Shipwrecked with the mamasan, waitresses, and the dancers who came to sit and talk. And I bought a grand total of 0 lady drinks and was never asked to buy one. All I had was the usual 1 Gatorade for I think 50 pesos. I tend to make my own fun and do not wait for fun to find me.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1831859]We are going around in circles, yes we know that its possible to get laid in angeles every single day if one is willing to review (lower) their expectations as you suggest.[/QUOTE]I agree that we are going around in circles. And I still don't understand the guys who say there is no quality. I know they want a 20 year old that is skinny to the bone with no kids and flat stomach. I still do not see a shortage of girls fitting that description for those of you who fancy that. And even if you guys can't find that particular girl there is still no reason to act like all the women in AC are absolutely horrid.

I don't go in like Inspector Gadger searching for a particular type girl. I just go to have fun and let the chips fall where they may. To me that is what AC is about. If you are so anal about a particular type then it may be best to search the internet for hookers from the comfort of your own recliner until you come up with the one that suits your taste. I find it a damn shame if you can come to AC and not be able to find at least 1 nice girl to fuck each day. I'm seeing a countless number that I would not mind fucking.

As I have said before the bars should introduce two tier bar fines. BF for ST and BF for LT. ST / LT length and pops dictated by bar. The first bar to do this will be very popular, cause its what the punters want right now (clarification).

Then other bars will follow. Bars and girls will make more money and guys will be happy, that is, its clear what they are getting (ST or LT). Legitimate refund of LT fee portion, if girl decides in room she is now ST.

Or is this too honest a system, and never work, LOL. An honest trader, basing his bar, on the above, would have a very busy and prosperous bar indeed. Angeles would have a resurgence, and everyone would be happy.

I have a dream.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831935]I agree that we are going around in circles. And I still don't understand the guys who say there is no quality. I know they want a 20 year old that is skinny to the bone with no kids and flat stomach. I still do not see a shortage of girls fitting that description for those of you who fancy that. And even if you guys can't find that particular girl there is still no reason to act like all the women in AC are absolutely horrid.

I don't go in like Inspector Gadger searching for a particular type girl. I just go to have fun and let the chips fall where they may. To me that is what AC is about. If you are so anal about a particular type then it may be best to search the internet for hookers from the comfort of your own recliner until you come up with the one that suits your taste. I find it a damn shame if you can come to AC and not be able to find at least 1 nice girl to fuck each day. I'm seeing a countless number that I would not mind fucking.[/QUOTE]With the greatest of respect Mr E.

If my memory serves me right You have previously made clear that your girl standards are mostly not the highest, I think you even commented recently that you would even fuck the angeles mamasans LOL.

Thats fine, that's what you like, so be it.

Most guys I know want to fuck the best looking girls in life though, the ones they can't get for free back home, after all they are travelling at great expense, paying ever increasing bar fine rates,hotel rates etc etc

Nobody is how ever saying that there are not a few pretty girls in angeles,some will fuck some refuse to fuck, so if one is willing to enter many bars, buy many lady drinks and hunt high and low all over angeles then it might be possible to find a girl for the night, especially if one is willing to lower their expectations with every refusal,

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1831946]As I have said before the bars should introduce two tier bar fines. BF for ST and BF for LT. ST / LT length and pops dictated by bar. The first bar to do this will be very popular, cause its what the punters want right now (clarification).

Then other bars will follow. Bars and girls will make more money and guys will be happy, that is, its clear what they are getting (ST or LT). Legitimate refund of LT fee portion, if girl decides in room she is now ST.

Or is this too honest a system, and never work, LOL. An honest trader, basing his bar, on the above, would have a very busy and prosperous bar indeed. Angeles would have a resurgence, and everyone would be happy.

I have a dream.[/QUOTE]Sxxxx, you know as well as I do st rates are never going to happen, which buisness owner the world over accepts less cash for the same product.

As far as refunds, prostitution is 100% illegal in phills as you already know, which bar owner in their right mind is going to admit he sells pussy by offering refunds.

Unfortunately, we are left with the present system, but like you I also have your dream.

Hey fellas,

Sorry for the late report, been on the road. Anyways, here's the follow up to my second night in Angeles. I ate dinner at the taqueria on walking street, which wasn't a smart idea, I also had a beer with it. My stomach started to feel funny, so I went to the pharmacy and bought some imodium, which I didn't take because I took a dump and my stomach felt much better. Anyways, I said I was going to go back to Qbar to barfine the other waitress, but I also wanted to see if there was a better selection in the other bars I have not visited yet.

I head into Champagne bar first. 6 girls, 2 or 3 lookers. Maybe 5 customers. I like that the place plays latin music and has dance videos that the girls try to mimick, at least they're getting exercise! The next rotation was in 30 minutes, not quick enough for me to stay.

Into salamdo bar. I'm starting to like the variety many of these bars have, instead of the lazy shuffle on stage. The girls here dance around in rotation, which is good because I can see the front and back of all the girls. Also the girls seemed to be having a lot of fun here, although not many lookers, I'd say out of the 15+ girls, I thought maybe 1 or 2 were good looking. There were a good amount of customers here, and they kept throwing the bucket of balls onto stage and even pulling on the rope to release the balls from top. I stayed long enough for two rotations.

Next stop, lollipop. Wow oh wow. So many beauties in here. At least half of the girls were good looking. I did see two girls who were on the heavy side though, but I'm sure some of you guys like that, or barfine them because the service must be exceptional right? I saw one girl with an amazing tight and hot body, and her face was pretty, I didn't want to lady drink her just yet until I saw the rest of the selection. There were a decent amount of customers in here. Right when I was about to lady drink the first girl I saw, the most beautiful girl walks in front of me and onto the stage. Her body is fantastic, she's the one. I'm going to lady drink her, but I couldn't find my waitress, and by the time I get her to get the girl, some other guy gets her! DAMN! If you hesistate, someone else will take her away. Oh well, just go back to my original choice. Her name is Sherry Lou, 18. She was really fun and flirty, but she doesn't do CIM, which is a deal breaker for me. Barfine is 3000 for ST. WTF? I noticed a lot of koreans in the PH. These fuckers are jacking up the prices of everything because they don't know how to monger properly. Someone start an ISG but in Korean please!

Well, I keep having bad luck, so I'm just going to head back to Qbar and barfine that waitress. I go in, she sees me and chats with me. Trixie from the night before also comes over and starts talking about our session. I complain that she didn't kiss me (the second time around) nor sucked my johnson. She said she's new. Whatever, so the waitresses name is Jenny, but she barfines all the time, so she's definitely experienced. Barfine is 2400, LT (3 pops), will kiss, BBBJ, and CIM. It's a done deal. We head to Skytraxx because another member here suggested it's another discoteque, but the place sucks. Music's too loud, no one dancing, super smoky. High society is much better. We leave after one drink as my stomach is getting restless from all the beer I've been drinking from the past 2 days.

Get to my hotel, and we get down to business. She has no breasts to speak of, but a nice tiny butt. She's 26 with a kid, but you can't tell from her body. We kiss, she bbbjs me, but doesn't like to be looked at because she's shy, whatever, all the same. She puts the hat on, rides me for awhile, and then I take over and put her in mish. While I'm pounding her, she looks at me deeply in the eyes with her big round doe eyes, moaning and panting, my goodness, this drives me insane. She also sounds like a japanese pornstar, where she's in pleasure from the pain. She's soaking wet, and I pop. Unfortunately, my stomach is in knots from all of the beer and shaking. I'm in massive pain. There's no way I can continue and really don't care about the morning as well, so I asked her to leave and she's very thankful. I give her a nice tip (for what she would have provided) and sent her on her way.

I can understand why people love Angeles, it's cheap, fun, convenient, and not so in-your-face like thailand. Like I've said, it's not my cup of tea. Having been to Manila, I much prefer it more, although the prices are higher, but the selection so much better. I don't see myself returning, unless it goes back to its former glory days, which it won't.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832010]With the greatest of respect Mr E.

If my memory serves me right You have previously made clear that your girl standards are mostly not the highest, I think you even commented recently that you would even fuck the angeles mamasans LOL.

Thats fine, that's what you like, so be it.

Most guys I know want to fuck the best looking girls in life though, the ones they can't get for free back home, after all they are travelling at great expense, paying ever increasing bar fine rates,hotel rates etc etc

Nobody is how ever saying that there are not a few pretty girls in angeles,some will fuck some refuse to fuck, so if one is willing to enter many bars, buy many lady drinks and hunt high and low all over angeles then it might be possible to find a girl for the night, especially if one is willing to lower their expectations with every refusal,[/QUOTE]To me that is what is throwing us in circles. One person saying AC sucks and the next person saying AC is great. People come on talking about quality but post no examples. Even if they did, quality is subjective so what one monger thinks is a stunner, the next monger may not touch with a 10 foot pole. If we had a picture chart then I think everyone could come to a better conclusion. In AC you will find girls like A,B,C. In AC you will not find girls like D,E,F. That way people would know what to expect and would not go to AC looking for the chick who won Miss Universe and be disgruntled when they did not find her.

Dropped my things at the hotel and went out to High Society. It was a Wednesday night and there was no cover charge. I walked in and went to the bar to buy a rum and coke for 120 pesos. As soon as I turned around from the bar I saw the girl I was taking. I went right over and sat on the box next to her and started talking. She said her friend was at the bar buying a drink and she was waiting for her to come back. I said that is fine but we will be leaving together as soon as I finish this drink. Her friend came over with 2 drinks and handed her one. I didn't get it because she was not even half finished the drink that she had. So she sat the new one on the table.

She spoke to her friend in Tagalog and told her that she would be going with me. The friend kept telling me to take care of the girl I was talking to. I said you need to tell her to take care of me. The friend said she would leave and go home when she finished her drink because she didn't want to stay there alone. And let me tell you this friend looked like a fucking model. I told her if you did stay then you wouldn't be alone for long. But she soon finished her drink and left.

My girl had on high heels. I asked her if she had other shoes in her bag and she said no. I told her that she is going to have a long walk back to the hotel. When we got to the hotel it was on and poppin as usual. She looked like a midget without the heels. I could not beat this girl off of me. She even slept with my dick in her hand. I woke up about 8 and started looking at shows on my tablet. When she opened her eyes and saw me awake she jumped right on top of my dick. She had me pulling the damn sheets off the mattress. After I skeeted she kept on like she was riding off into the sunset. I finally told her that was enough and she said that she didn't cum yet. I told her well you better be faster next time. We went back off to sleep.

I woke up at 11 and started getting ready because I had to meet up with friends at noon. After I was fully ready I woke her up and told her that I was about to leave. She went and took a shower and I slipped 1500 pesos into her purse. As soon as she came out of the shower she went over to her purse and opened it and saw the money. She was happy. She put her club clothes back on and we left out together. She went her way and I went to meet my buddies at Kokomo's. I started to tell her to send her friend to me later on, but the best part of mongering to me is going out for the hunt.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831930]And see this is the exact reason why you must go experience for yourself. Two posters (me and Axiata) with opposing views on the same place. I had a blast in Shipwrecked with the mamasan, waitresses, and the dancers who came to sit and talk. And I bought a grand total of 0 lady drinks and was never asked to buy one. All I had was the usual 1 Gatorade for I think 50 pesos. I tend to make my own fun and do not wait for fun to find me.[/QUOTE]Where is that LIKE button?

Mr. E for President!

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832010]
Most guys I know want to fuck the best looking girls in life though, the ones they can't get for free back home, after all they are travelling at great expense, paying ever increasing bar fine rates,hotel rates etc etc

[/QUOTE]And after spending so much money just to get to AC and stay here, what is better? Find a girl to fuck. Or complain about the poor quality and rising prices and diva attitudes of the girls and sleep with your cock in your hand? What is better?

Well, everytime I have my dick in my hand, I save about $40-$600 (depending on girl and country). I've never had a problem barfining a girl. Personally, I date pretty hot women. So if I'm paying for it, she better be the best looking one in the entire place. So yes, I came looking for gorgeous women, and I will hunt all night until I find her/them. The periods or "mens" excuse has never happened to me, *knock on wood, my wood* haha.

I did notice filipinas have really bad teeth. Many have braces. They also get super bored on stage. I feel most of the women are thinking "I just want to go home and not have to bang anyone".

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1831845]When was AC even non-commercial?[/QUOTE]Let's not mince words here, you know what I mean. More "commercial" meaning there are no extras to the service, not as much excitement and friendliness. Besides it's someone else's words, and like I said I have no frame of reference whether that's true or not. I report as I see it and if I use someone else's words I'll point that out.

Last night met with a fellow ISGer (won't say who for privacy reasons), and we went to High Society at the end of the night. My friend ended up with a girl in his arms while I was scouring the club so I left him to his thing. In the meantime I found a pretty gorgeous freelancer myself who was entertaining to talk to for once. Highlight of my trip thus far.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1832161]And after spending so much money just to get to AC and stay here, what is better? Find a girl to fuck. Or complain about the poor quality and rising prices and diva attitudes of the girls and sleep with your cock in your hand? What is better?[/QUOTE]With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.

Congratulations on your high achievement.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832186]With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Easiest solution for a monger is accept that angeles is hard work and move on to Manila where there are many many more choices and the girls all fuck for a living.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1832187]Congratulations on your high achievement.[/QUOTE]Been on the bottle again I see X LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832186]With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are too young too appreciate the girls of Angeles?

Since you are there I'm assuming you like purebred Pinays in general? You arent going to find any who look like the ones on the TV Novellas. The girls in the bars are usually all pure pinay or an ugly duckling half foreigner abandoned girl. The ones in TV and the movies virtually all have foriegn blood and are probably more spoiled than western women, if that's what you are searching for you will not find it in AC bars. Maybe you can find high priced call girls like that in Manila I don't know it never interested me.

For me the young girls from the Visayas are much more attractive then the TV Movie types. Thats the majority of AC bar girls. Petite clear brown skin flat nose big dark eyes black long hair small tits small round ass. I never made it 12 hours in AC without dipping the wick. I have always went for the 18 to 24 yo with no kids tight body and never had a problem finding what I want there in the bars.

I know you mentioned you could get what they offer for free at home, well I can't that's for damned sure. I was born when JFK was in the White House, and although I'm in decent shape I'm not Brad Pitt and pretty college age girls arent going to want too be with me in my country or anywhere in the west for that matter. Thats why I go to the Phils.

Back in the late '80's and early '90's my much older brother used to go to Thailand often and told me about the girls and showed me pictures and I just wasn't impressed. Hell I could still nail young fresh girls at home so I didn't see the point. Time and aging had a way of changing my attitude.

AC is a place for older and just plain old men.

If prostitution is illegal, why do bar girls have to do health checks?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1832389]If prostitution is illegal, why do bar girls have to do health checks?[/QUOTE]To make you feel good about barfining.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1832413]To make you feel good about barfining.[/QUOTE]I always wondered how thorough those health checks are? Here in the worlds most expensive, best (cough cough) health system in the world it takes a week+ to get back a result on a simple comprehensive STD test. By then a popular bargirl could be a typhoid Ma.

But I have to say I am the one of the worst offenders when it comes to safe sex, well I'm not into anal so maybe not that bad, but I have never got an STD from a bar girl. I think. I attribute all my maladies I have contracted to local AC girls picked up in the streets or through friend of a private mamasan etc. I don't think any of the AC bargirls gave it to me. Same for non pro girls in the provinces, I never caught anything from them in them.

I can't be sure this is not an exact science but that's my best guess. When I stuck to bargirls and GF's and province non pros on a trip I always came home clean. The only time I came home infected was from AC street meat or local sluts. I almost never monger in Manila if I can avoid it so that isn't part of the mix.

Everybody here knows that I am a cheapskate. I am not buying any lady drinks. I am not buying any ping pong balls. And I am not paying "going rate" for any ass.

Yesterday I was sitting at Kokomo's with my friend who has been living in AC over a year. A man came through selling NFL jerseys and my buddy told the guy that he was never buying anything from him again. See a couple of days earlier my buddy had bought a Jersey from him for 1000 pesos. He got mad because afterwards the man sold a Jersey to another friend of ours for 700 pesos. I said dude I would not have paid that much for it. 300 is the most I would pay. The guy commenced trying to sell me one for 700. I told him no and he finally walked off.

Later on in the day when I left my hotel and was on the way to Kokomo's again, I ran into the same guy. He still wanted me to buy a Jersey for 700. I told him no, only 300. He said okay but do not let anybody know. When I got down to Kokomo's I asked who wanted to buy the Jersey for 500. I told my friend that there is no reason to get angry with the guy. This is Asia and you are expected to bargain. If you fail to do that because you do not know how or you do not want to seem like a cheapskate then that is on you. I didn't want to buy a freaking Jersey. I just bought it for the principle to show that you are supposed to fucking bargain.

It is the same with women. Another guy asked me how much a particular girl charges (I met her as a FL, but turns out she works in a gogo - report later). I said how much does she charge or how much do I give her? Because I don't ask any prices I just give them what I want (between 1000 and 1500) the next morning. And I have not heard a complaint yet and many have come back again.

[quote=pantot;1832352]maybe you are too young too appreciate the girls of angeles?

Since you are there i'm assuming you like purebred pinays in general? You arent going to find any who look like the ones on the tv novellas. The girls in the bars are usually all pure pinay or an ugly duckling half foreigner abandoned girl. The ones in tv and the movies virtually all have foriegn blood and are probably more spoiled than western women, if that's what you are searching for you will not find it in ac bars. Maybe you can find high priced call girls like that in manila i don't know it never interested me.

For me the young girls from the visayas are much more attractive then the tv movie types. Thats the majority of ac bar girls. Petite clear brown skin flat nose big dark eyes black long hair small tits small round ass. I never made it 12 hours in ac without dipping the wick. I have always went for the 18 to 24 yo with no kids tight body and never had a problem finding what i want there in the bars.

I know you mentioned you could get what they offer for free at home, well i can't that's for damned sure. I was born when jfk was in the white house, and although i'm in decent shape i'm not brad pitt and pretty college age girls arent going to want too be with me in my country or anywhere in the west for that matter. Thats why i go to the phils.

Back in the late '80's and early '90's my much older brother used to go to thailand often and told me about the girls and showed me pictures and i just wasn't impressed. Hell i could still nail young fresh girls at home so i didn't see the point. Time and aging had a way of changing my attitude.

Ac is a place for older and just plain old men.[/quote]preach brother preach! !

[QUOTE=Pantot;1832352]Maybe you are too young too appreciate the girls of Angeles?

Since you are there I'm assuming you like purebred Pinays in general? You arent going to find any who look like the ones on the TV Novellas. The girls in the bars are usually all pure pinay or an ugly duckling half foreigner abandoned girl. The ones in TV and the movies virtually all have foriegn blood and are probably more spoiled than western women, if that's what you are searching for you will not find it in AC bars. Maybe you can find high priced call girls like that in Manila I don't know it never interested me.

For me the young girls from the Visayas are much more attractive then the TV Movie types. Thats the majority of AC bar girls. Petite clear brown skin flat nose big dark eyes black long hair small tits small round ass. I never made it 12 hours in AC without dipping the wick. I have always went for the 18 to 24 yo with no kids tight body and never had a problem finding what I want there in the bars.

I know you mentioned you could get what they offer for free at home, well I can't that's for damned sure. I was born when JFK was in the White House, and although I'm in decent shape I'm not Brad Pitt and pretty college age girls arent going to want too be with me in my country or anywhere in the west for that matter. Thats why I go to the Phils.

Back in the late '80's and early '90's my much older brother used to go to Thailand often and told me about the girls and showed me pictures and I just wasn't impressed. Hell I could still nail young fresh girls at home so I didn't see the point. Time and aging had a way of changing my attitude.

AC is a place for older and just plain old men.[/QUOTE]Pantot, thanks for your reply, some interesting points.

I am mid 40's so not that young, ok I am luckily tall, in good shape with a full head of hair, I live full time in thailand so getting free or paid pussy has never been a problem here.

What I am saying though is that I have been visiting the phills for coming up to 20 years, mostly buisiness but pleasure too, so I was in my mid 20's when I first visited, back a few years bars were full of 18-19-20 year old very attractive girls, I had no problem finding easily many girls in all bars that I would be more than happy to barfine, and did, mostly several times per day, so I don't think its a case of me not liking normal pinay bargirls.

In the last 3-5 years I have found that angeles bars have struggled to attract nice looking women to work there, I know many angeles bar owners that constantly tell me, if you know any girls that want work send them to me, they all say, its so hard to get slim attractive girls to work here and if I do they are soon off.look at most angeles bars,most have huge signs outside them saying girls desperately needed,top salaries paid,

Where walking st bars once employed hundreds of girls each and perimeter bars all had 50+ girls each they now have much smaller numbers of girls each so obviously its much harder to find the better looking girls out of few girls employed.

Many would be bargirls now have many more choices than not to enter the bar, freelancing in the discos is very popular, cam work is highly paid and popular, girls working the internet to find lonely men to send monthly payments is big and highly paid etc etc.

All I am saying is that with every year angeles has fewer and fewer good looking younger girls working in the bars, at the moment if one is even the slightest bit fussy then having to search many bars to find that one girl you like is normal as has been reported by many recent trip reports.

So in summing up,I know for me I always liked the look of pinays, what I am looking for in the bars has never changed, years ago I was like a kid in a candy shop now most times I am left frustrated, annoyed at the lack of pretty girls and mostly their princess attitude when you do find one, why do they develop princess attitude is that in todays angeles many many guys, especially asians are desperately chasing those few girls that look good, throw countless drinks at them, throw hanfulls of money over balconies at them, tip them for even sitting with them, throw balls, poppers and most time the asians won't even barfine the girls because their type of fun is mostly had in the bar, hence the princess was born, not trying to bash angeles, just trying to be honest in what I see and experience.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1832423]I always wondered how thorough those health checks are? Here in the worlds most expensive, best (cough cough) health system in the world it takes a week+ to get back a result on a simple comprehensive STD test. By then a popular bargirl could be a typhoid Ma.

But I have to say I am the one of the worst offenders when it comes to safe sex, well I'm not into anal so maybe not that bad, but I have never got an STD from a bar girl. I think. I attribute all my maladies I have contracted to local AC girls picked up in the streets or through friend of a private mamasan etc. I don't think any of the AC bargirls gave it to me. Same for non pro girls in the provinces, I never caught anything from them in them.

I can't be sure this is not an exact science but that's my best guess. When I stuck to bargirls and GF's and province non pros on a trip I always came home clean. The only time I came home infected was from AC street meat or local sluts. I almost never monger in Manila if I can avoid it so that isn't part of the mix.[/QUOTE]Pantot, on other angeles boards it has recently been reported by a bar owner member that the girls weekly hygeine is only a farce to earn the city extra cash.

At no time is blood taken from the girls during these tests, now I am no doctor but I do know for sure to test for aids or any std, s then blood is the only way of checking.

I did once go to hygeine with a girls in angeles, she was in and out in less than 2 minutes, she said the nurse takes a pap smear with a cotton wool bud (cancer check) only, she was always petrified of needles and if that was required believe me she would have never gone for hygiene LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832452]Pantot, on other angeles boards it has recently been reported by a bar owner member that the girls weekly hygeine is only a farce to earn the city extra cash.

At no time is blood taken from the girls during these tests, now I am no doctor but I do know for sure to test for aids or any std, s then blood is the only way of checking.

I did once go to hygeine with a girls in angeles, she was in and out in less than 2 minutes, she said the nurse takes a pap smear with a cotton wool bud (cancer check) only, she was always petrified of needles and if that was required believe me she would have never gone for hygiene LOL.[/QUOTE]Had a similar experience on my last trip. Girl said that she had to go for a smear, although she was clear it was a smear, not sure if she was altogether knowledgeable about what the smear was for. Interesting to know what the so called health checks that are performed actually are. With so many girls and so many bars I cannot see how the bars are keeping track of the girls that get infected or infect someone. Punters who get infected also would have little idea of which girl infected them let alone the girls who are shagging a lot of guys unprotected would know which guy infected them. In the end, it comes down to a punters own gut feelings about the girl and whether bareback is worth the risk. While on tour we all fall victim to the lure of bareback. Inevitably we will catch something but hopefully a shot in the arse is all we need to learn our lesson!

Happy and safe hunting.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832446]Pantot, thanks for your reply, some interesting points.

I am mid 40's so not that young, ok I am luckily tall, in good shape with a full head of hair, I live full time in thailand so getting free or paid pussy has never been a problem here.

What I am saying though is that I have been visiting the phills for coming up to 20 years, mostly buisiness but pleasure too, so I was in my mid 20's when I first visited, back a few years bars were full of 18-19-20 year old very attractive girls, I had no problem finding easily many girls in all bars that I would be more than happy to barfine, and did, mostly several times per day, so I don't think its a case of me not liking normal pinay bargirls.

In the last 3-5 years I have found that angeles bars have struggled to attract nice looking women to work there, I know many angeles bar owners that constantly tell me, if you know any girls that want work send them to me, they all say, its so hard to get slim attractive girls to work here and if I do they are soon off.look at most angeles bars,most have huge signs outside them saying girls desperately needed,top salaries paid...[/QUOTE]I have been in Thailand for 8 years, then 2 years in the Philippines. I did obersve the same trend. Things are going downhill rapidly. The world population is aging and that is probably the first factor. Not sure if the second factor is due to wages improving of diversification of sources such as internet. But its definitely a fragmented scene now to the point I wonder of I still want to spend so much energy on this. Also I enjoy sex a lot, I know other enjoyable things to do. The best fucks I had in the Phils where girls I met in the street or using a intermediary girl. Its about network. The bar is already downstream and girls quickly have some attitudes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1832389]If prostitution is illegal, why do bar girls have to do health checks?[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal to keep the business in hand of a few which make money out of it.

You have to read 'prostitution is illegal' outside of the official tracks which have to give fakes added values such as HIV tests and customer.

Protection. Now its all consistent.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832446]
In the last 3-5 years I have found that angeles bars have struggled to attract nice looking women to work there, I know many angeles bar owners that constantly tell me, if you know any girls that want work send them to me, they all say, its so hard to get slim attractive girls to work here and if I do they are soon off.look at most angeles bars,most have huge signs outside them saying girls desperately needed,top salaries paid,

Where walking st bars once employed hundreds of girls each and perimeter bars all had 50+ girls each they now have much smaller numbers of girls each so obviously its much harder to find the better looking girls out of few girls employed.

All I am saying is that with every year angeles has fewer and fewer good looking younger girls working in the bars, at the moment if one is even the slightest bit fussy then having to search many bars to find that one girl you like is normal as has been reported by many recent trip reports.

[/QUOTE]Napa, I completely agree with Bars in AC struggling to find Slim & Young girls. I came across one in Champagne, she had come to AC to work in the bar basis comfort of a girl from her village / province working there. It was her braces which put me off but she was a slim and young 20 yr old girl, 2 months in town and barfined only couple of times mostly by Koreans / Japanese. She told me that she was here for the money. I didn't question aything as I was not interested in bfining her.

She knows her objective and within a short time will find out other means (FL, Internet, etc) to fulfill that. I don't think I will see that girl again on my next trip. Coming back, yes there is an effort to find slim & young gals. Same issue in Bangkok or Pattaya as well. But as mongers we need to take that in stride and adopt new ways of hunting.

My only hope is that things don't evolve in AC to the extent like Bangkok. I have completely avoided gogos during my last visits. Fortunately Bangkok does indeed have a vibrant alternate scene in terms of Soapies, Oilies and Discos which definitely is missing in AC. Now that would be a real issue for me. But the way things work in philippines I have comfort that things won't change so much so soon.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1832587]Napa, I completely agree with Bars in AC struggling to find Slim & Young girls. I came across one in Champagne, she had come to AC to work in the bar basis comfort of a girl from her village / province working there. It was her braces which put me off but she was a slim and young 20 yr old girl, 2 months in town and barfined only couple of times mostly by Koreans / Japanese. She told me that she was here for the money. I didn't question aything as I was not interested in bfining her.

She knows her objective and within a short time will find out other means (FL, Internet, etc) to fulfill that. I don't think I will see that girl again on my next trip. Coming back, yes there is an effort to find slim & young gals. Same issue in Bangkok or Pattaya as well. But as mongers we need to take that in stride and adopt new ways of hunting.

My only hope is that things don't evolve in AC to the extent like Bangkok. I have completely avoided gogos during my last visits. Fortunately Bangkok does indeed have a vibrant alternate scene in terms of Soapies, Oilies and Discos which definitely is missing in AC. Now that would be a real issue for me. But the way things work in philippines I have comfort that things won't change so much so soon.[/QUOTE]I have a similar experience indeed. Well even in Bangkok, there are very few good looking FL in soy Nana. The mute girls are but they provide disastrous service. (quick and boring).

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1832587]Napa, I completely agree with Bars in AC struggling to find Slim & Young girls. I came across one in Champagne, she had come to AC to work in the bar basis comfort of a girl from her village / province working there. It was her braces which put me off but she was a slim and young 20 yr old girl, 2 months in town and barfined only couple of times mostly by Koreans / Japanese. She told me that she was here for the money. I didn't question aything as I was not interested in bfining her.

She knows her objective and within a short time will find out other means (FL, Internet, etc) to fulfill that. I don't think I will see that girl again on my next trip. Coming back, yes there is an effort to find slim & young gals. Same issue in Bangkok or Pattaya as well. But as mongers we need to take that in stride and adopt new ways of hunting.

My only hope is that things don't evolve in AC to the extent like Bangkok. I have completely avoided gogos during my last visits. Fortunately Bangkok does indeed have a vibrant alternate scene in terms of Soapies, Oilies and Discos which definitely is missing in AC. Now that would be a real issue for me. But the way things work in philippines I have comfort that things won't change so much so soon.[/QUOTE]It is all about the money. It was obvious to me and most people I spoke to in bars agreed that the number of punters in AC was down. Girls need to make money and if punters are not spending at bars they need to find other ways of extracting the cash. I do not blame them if they prefer Internet or FL over standing in bars for hours on end and not making any coin.

No money no honey.

Does anyone know of an OK coffee / café shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

Thanks

[QUOTE=KrumLov;1832656]Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

Thanks[/QUOTE]If you are looking for high end coffee and pastry etc, then try the pool area of the ABC hotel which is just a 5 minute walk from Margarita Station. Other than that, coffee shops like Starbucks don't exist there.

So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.

I ended up reporting the details to the police station. Not sure what they can do about it but I felt it had to be done. The doorman was extra helpful throughout this so I tipped him 50.

Anyways it was about 4 am at that time and pretty much Fields has shutdown. I didn't want to waste the night, so the only option was something like Hi So again or Skytraxx maybe. So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500. She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave. I was about to call the front desk on her if she didn't but I figured 10 USD extra isn't worth bothering the front desk twice in one day. By the way if my prices are off, let me know and I can adjust my expectations. And also if I should negotiate prices prior to leaving HiSo, let me know that as well because most people are reporting just tipping when she leaves.

I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds) and I thought that was relatively expensive already. But much less than today's tab. Overall today's damage was a bit over 8 k or 160-ish USD. Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.

Stay cautious everyone.

[QUOTE=KrumLov;1832656]Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Grand Central Hotel; on walking street; it's on the right a little past Kokomo's as you're walking towards MacArthur Hwy. They also have a decent selection of pastries, cakes, etc.

Bretto's Sports Bar (formally Paradise Beer Garden) is also not bad.

Regardless of where you get your coffee be sure to ask for fresh brewed, otherwise you'll likely get instant or, even worse, you'll get that instant 3 in1 crap.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyBaby;1832597]I have a similar experience indeed. Well even in Bangkok, there are very few good looking FL in soy Nana. The mute girls are but they provide disastrous service. (quick and boring).[/QUOTE]Last time I looked the freelancers around Nana were mainly ladyboys and the lower end of girls, it is an area for the 1st time visitor that does not know better.

Want attractive thai girls, top gogos like Baccara, soapies, freelancers in discos, and hundreds on mobile apps.

[QUOTE=KrumLov;1832656]Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station? [/QUOTE]Gustav Cafe, the one with the little Eiffel Tower out front.

Tasss,

By your post you are not sure if you either lost 5 k or a few K's to your FLer. It is best to keep track of the money in your pocket and once in the room put any excess amount over the agreed amount in your room safe. Lock the safe. Rookie mistake to volunteer your money like that but I am sure her family appreciates it.

There is no standard posted price for FL. There is no standard posted price for FL. Contrary to other comments there are no standard price. The price is up to you and the girl. Your fault for not getting agreement on it up front.

Never go to the police to report a crime of which you were involved in with the first crime by hiring the FL. You are lucky they didn't charge you with a "report filing fee" or a contribution to the retirement fund.

Btw, no need to carry your wallet with you. You only need to carry the current night's cash budget. I have not seen any FL or BG taking credit cards. That day might be coming soon with smart phones and apps but not for now.

Boom boom on sir.

DG8787.

[QUOTE=KrumLov;1832656]Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

Thanks[/QUOTE]For a great cup of coffee go to the RBI Steakhouse in the Queens Hotel. You can enjoy your coffee poolside or inside.

I came across this posting on an AC thread on FB. Another one bites the dust.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.[/QUOTE]The first rule of mongering is to lock your shit up.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500.[/QUOTE]Where did you read this? I JUST recently started giving them 1500 for LT. Before I had always given them 1000 LT. As a matter of fact the same girl that I gave 1500 2 nights ago, came over the next night at 9 pm and stayed until 5 am when I left AC and I gave her 1000. And I am already tired of her sending me messages and pictures.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave.[/QUOTE]It looks like she did think you were a mark, but you had her right where you wanted her. I thought you were a man of my own heart until you gave her more. Why did you give in?

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds)[/QUOTE]The girl I mentioned before is a super hot door girl as well. And it looks like I spent less than half on her for 2 days than you spent on yours for 1 day.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.[/QUOTE]The prices of one place should never be compared to those of another. Do people from London go to Las Vegas and say well it was cheaper than back home? Or what do guys say when they go to places that are more expensive than home?

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.

I ended up reporting the details to the police station. Not sure what they can do about it but I felt it had to be done. The doorman was extra helpful throughout this so I tipped him 50.

Anyways it was about 4 am at that time and pretty much Fields has shutdown. I didn't want to waste the night, so the only option was something like Hi So again or Skytraxx maybe. So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500. She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave. I was about to call the front desk on her if she didn't but I figured 10 USD extra isn't worth bothering the front desk twice in one day. By the way if my prices are off, let me know and I can adjust my expectations. And also if I should negotiate prices prior to leaving HiSo, let me know that as well because most people are reporting just tipping when she leaves.

I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds) and I thought that was relatively expensive already. But much less than today's tab. Overall today's damage was a bit over 8 k or 160-ish USD. Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.

Stay cautious everyone.[/QUOTE]Isn't this the classic rookie mistake? Why would you trust a total stranger with anything valuable in your room? Before I go out, all of my stuff is locked up. When we get back to my room, all of the valuables in my clothes are put into the safe: phone, and money. You don't need to bring anything else.

I don't know about you guys, but for the people who brings a girl back to their place, fucks them, and then slips them money (whatever they felt was fair) into their purse is such a chump move. Seriously, you're being a big ass chump for doing this. ALWAYS NEGOTIATE FIRST, it will save you headaches and hassles later. If they fail to provide the services that they offered, renegotiate. See how when Tasss tried that shit and it didn't work? Guess what Tasss, you probably picked up a way hotter chick than most of these chumps that only slips 1500. I guarantee you that they are OVERPAYING these girls at 1500 because no hot girl will accept 1500 to bang a old and fat guy, unless they are desperate or bottom of the barrel types.

You spent a lot of money, but did you have a good time? Do you in your mind think it was worth it? Then don't give a fuck what other people think, it's your money, you do what you want with it. This forum is an informational site, not a purchasing guide. Don't let these cheap mofos bring you down, we all have different standards of beauty and service and different levels of comfort as far as spending is concerned. I really hate how almost everyone on this website makes everyone else feel bad for not paying the absolute minimum to every working girl.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1832960]I came across this posting on an AC thread on FB. Another one bites the dust.[/QUOTE]I had heard Harry the Horse owned a piece of that place. He had a stroke several months ago so I'm sure if he is an owner he's looking to get out. The dining there is a forgettable experience, not to mention having lady boys gawking at all the customers.

Tasss is a good guy, with good reports coming out of China for several years. His honest report is an indication of what happens when an experienced monger tries a new country on for size. Sometimes even experienced guys will make every newb mistake in the book (I have made one or two myself).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1832976]

It looks like she did think you were a mark, but you had her right where you wanted her. I thought you were a man of my own heart until you gave her more. Why did you give in?[/QUOTE]I will respectfully disagree. One of the drawbacks of FL as opposed to bargirls is that with bargirls, if there is a disagreement, the bar will intervene on behalf of both parties (usually you don't fare well here economically because of your own stupidity -- but that is fine). You can always take the girl back to the bar, or just go back there yourself. OTOH the FL has you by the nads. Just give her what she's asking for. Its a win-win for her if she waits you out. She wins if you call hotel security. She wins if you don't. Tasss' giving her 1-2000 extra to get her out of the room would be prudent. If she tells hotel security you did something wrong (ie hit her or raped her -- and proof is irrelevant), you might wish you'd given her 10-20 k to get rid of her.

ThomKatt is right: every newb mistake was made here, especially not negotiating with the FL first.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1832979]See how when Tasss tried that shit and it didn't work? Guess what Tasss, you probably picked up a way hotter chick than most of these chumps that only slips 1500. I guarantee you that they are OVERPAYING these girls at 1500 because no hot girl will accept 1500 to bang a old and fat guy, unless they are desperate or bottom of the barrel types.[/QUOTE]Or maybe Tasss IS the old fat guy that no decent woman would accept 1500 from and is forced to pay more, but other people who have no problem with hot women repeatedly accepting 1500 are not. We are talking about the Philippines here, not Paris:

My ex-girlfriend pays 2000 pesos/month to rent her house in AC.

A whole cooked chicken costs 140 pesos.

A haircut costs 100 pesos (price recently increased). The barber would have to cut 30 heads to make the 3000 pesos that guys think a bar girl should have for a few hours. (In Dumagette a haircut cost me 40 pesos.)

It costs 360 pesos to get from Manila airport to AC.

Four hours in a professional spa in AC costs 1200 pesos.

If you think I am bad for paying 1500, a lot of the expats around there are giving girls 500 pesos.
[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1832979]This forum is an informational site, not a purchasing guide. Don't let these cheap mofos bring you down, we all have different standards of beauty and service and different levels of comfort as far as spending is concerned. I really hate how almost everyone on this website makes everyone else feel bad for not paying the absolute minimum to every working girl.[/QUOTE]It is not about making anyone feel bad. It is about passing on information like you said. When I pass on information that it really does not take that much money then you are welcomed to take it or leave it. Most people do not post pictures on this site along with their reports so you do not know what price is garnering what level of beauty or service. Guys may be paying 3000 pesos for total dogs. My experience is along the lines of Master Monger who has posted plenty of pictures and plenty of prices along with his reports. As with many other things YOURMMV.

First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.

Here's the thing in this thread, I've thread through tens and tens of pages of reports before coming here and none of them mentioned getting cheated and money stolen and things like that. So when I lose money like this, it's my fault for not using common sense, which can happen especially in new places. BUT if there were reports of this happening, then it's my fault for not using common sense and not RTFF which is an even worse mistake. Like in the China forums, you see new guys get robbed by touts out of literally hundreds or even thousands of USD, even with all those warnings as on the forums. Like every few pages on the Shanghai forums there's some warning about touts because it happens to an ISGer once every few months. These guys didn't RTFF. So here it is, a report that if newbies read, they won't have an excuse later.

Anyways as Westcoast alluded to earlier, I'm used to mongering in China and some in the states where most girls are coming from some kind of establishment. BBSs and saunas in China. In the US, the Korean AAMPs is an established location and non-GFE sessions with other providers are usually located in a hotel where they have the girl's ID. So for me, it's the first time I've had experience with a FL who I don't know where she'll be like 10 minutes later.

Regarding negotiations, I'm trying to "follow the culture" if you know what I mean. Again I RTFF before I do anything, and no one mentions negotiating with HiSo girls, just posts about how little they paid the girl relative to a BF. If you're making posts to brag, then it's not helpful as a more honest picture of what happens in HiSo. If it's the norm, then I'm at least providing a report where the girl is asking for a higher than normal tip. It actually worked out the first time though. The first girl I took from HiSo only asked for transportation money and was really good looking. For me though, next time I'm negotiating.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1833025]Or maybe Tasss IS the old fat guy that no decent woman would accept 1500 from and other people who have no problem with hot women repeatedly accepting 1500 are not. We are talking about the Philippines here, not Paris:[/QUOTE]Troll post, but sure I'll bite. No, I'm early 30's and not fat.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1832989]I will respectfully disagree. One of the drawbacks of FL as opposed to bargirls is that with bargirls, if there is a disagreement, the bar will intervene on behalf of both parties (usually you don't fare well here economically because of your own stupidity -- but that is fine). You can always take the girl back to the bar, or just go back there yourself. OTOH the FL has you by the nads. Just give her what she's asking for. Its a win-win for her if she waits you out. She wins if you call hotel security. She wins if you don't. Tasss' giving her 1-2000 extra to get her out of the room would be prudent. If she tells hotel security you did something wrong (ie hit her or raped her -- and proof is irrelevant), you might wish you'd given her 10-20 k to get rid of her.

ThomKatt is right: every newb mistake was made here, especially not negotiating with the FL first.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you.

For those that are saying I just give the freelance girl what I want in the morning without negotiating a price, you are playing with fire.

A well known angeles ex pat use to boast of the same thing, one day there was a knock on his door by station 4 police, he paid $5,000 us dollars and spent 2 nights in the cell for his little problem to go away instead of the extra $50 the girl was demanding in the first place.

Never forget, we have very little rights as foreigners in the phills, pay the first person because the more you resist the more expensive it gets.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833031]Have to agree with you.

For those that are saying I just give the freelance girl what I want in the morning without negotiating a price, you are playing with fire.

A well known angeles ex pat use to boast of the same thing, one day there was a knock on his door by station 4 police, he paid $5,000 us dollars and spent 2 nights in the cell for his little problem to go away instead of the extra $50 the girl was demanding in the first place.

Never forget, we have very little rights as foreigners in the phills, pay the first person because the more you resist the more expensive it gets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1832989]I will respectfully disagree. One of the drawbacks of FL as opposed to bargirls is that with bargirls, if there is a disagreement, the bar will intervene on behalf of both parties (usually you don't fare well here economically because of your own stupidity -- but that is fine). You can always take the girl back to the bar, or just go back there yourself. OTOH the FL has you by the nads. Just give her what she's asking for. Its a win-win for her if she waits you out. She wins if you call hotel security. She wins if you don't. Tasss' giving her 1-2000 extra to get her out of the room would be prudent. If she tells hotel security you did something wrong (ie hit her or raped her -- and proof is irrelevant), you might wish you'd given her 10-20 k to get rid of her.

ThomKatt is right: every newb mistake was made here, especially not negotiating with the FL first.[/QUOTE]I'm the first to agree you have to be very careful in the Phills but OTOH don't let them intimidate you too easily. Try to stick to your guns first. Depending on the girl and the situation of course. Only if things really get out of control you can give her what she wants.

Last time I was in Manila I picked up this good looking massage girl on Burgos and took her to my hotel. She was very friendly, fun and accomodating and I already thought I had found myself a real gem. Naturally she offered me the well known extra's after she gave me massage for about 15 minutes. Normally I always negotiate with a massage girl but this time I skipped negotiating because I thought: "She's such a nice girl and we get along so well, we will work it out. " Big mistake!
When we were done she took a shower and I slipped 1500 PhP into her purse. When she came back and saw the money she said she wanted 3000. I laughed and said 'No way. 1500 is normal. It's a good price. ' She said 'I know, but I want 3000. I'm not like other girls. You can ask the other girls. They will say I want 3000'. And more BS like that.
She was very persistent and didn't want to leave without the extra 1500. I was stunned. I hadn't expected this at all from such a nice girl.
She made a phone call but it wasn't answered so maybe that was just bluff. After about 10 minutes of fruitless discussion I called reception to ask for security but they didn't pick up the phone.
Then she said she wanted me to go downstairs with her to talk to security. I said 'OK' and put on my shoes. When we were heading for the door I made sure she was in front of me. I could tell she was not as confident anymore as before. She walked out the door and I pretended to come right behind her but instead I slammed the door behind her back and locked it.
Problem solved. She didn't make a scene. She just left and didn't say or do anything anymore and I was not visited by security, police, pimp or whoever.
All I got was a text message: 'I wait you in the lobby'. Yeah right. (We exchanged numbers right after I banged her, so before the problems began).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1833061]I'm the first to agree you have to be very careful in the Phills but OTOH don't let them intimidate you too easily. Try to stick to your guns first. Depending on the girl and the situation of course. Only if things really get out of control you can give her what she wants.[/QUOTE]But why on earth would you ever let yourself be in a situation like that in the first place? You got lucky that time, but you may not be so lucky the second time. You are a guest in their country, they don't give a shit about you and your rights. Negotiate first, enjoy later.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1833025]Or maybe Tasss IS the old fat guy that no decent woman would accept 1500 from and is forced to pay more, but other people who have no problem with hot women repeatedly accepting 1500 are not. We are talking about the Philippines here, not Paris. [/QUOTE]This MAY be true. Then again, what I originally said could be true as well. Perhaps people lie about the price they pay to keep the general prices down or force the market downwards. I don't know people's true intentions, I tell the honest truth because I use this site for my own benefit, and it's my civic duty to return the favor. I believe in karma. From my own experiences, the hottest girls will give me a discount because I'm young, fit, and handsome, but I have never gotten anywhere near the prices many of these board members claim. I'm no slouch when it comes to negotiating, my jobs are all contract based. Nor am I foolish with my hard earned money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1833025]A haircut costs 100 pesos (price recently increased). The barber would have to cut 30 heads to make the 3000 pesos that guys think a bar girl should have for a few hours. (In Dumagette a haircut cost me 40 pesos.)[/QUOTE]What you're doing here is placing a price on these things, but you're underlining the value. Tell me, would you rather cut hair for 30 heads, or fuck an old fat guy for a couple of hours? I can tell you, I will choose barber every time. I don't have to give up my dignity, body, self worth, or even my safety to make a few dollars.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1833025]YOURMMV.[/QUOTE]Totally agreed. But don't say someone was a "mark", or don't know how to negotiate, or making someone feel like an ass for not paying the bare minimum or less than the minimum. You have to agree, you've done this numerous times, consciously or subconsciously.

I have never been to a country that tries to rip you off so badly as the PH. Seriously, everyone tries to fuck me over one way or another. From taxi drivers, trike drivers, tour guides, bar girls, everyone. Also the level of service is really bad. Service in restaurants has been shit, they see me in there, but don't bring me a menu or come over and take my order. This is definitely NOT the country to let your guard down. It's a poorman's Thailand.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1832988]Tasss is a good guy, with good reports coming out of China for several years. His honest report is an indication of what happens when an experienced monger tries a new country on for size. Sometimes even experienced guys will make every newb mistake in the book (I have made one or two myself).[/QUOTE]I have to agree with this, and Tasss is neither fat nor old. Quite the opposite.

I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped off, and I've never much worried about the "face" I need to wear in a bar.

Since the older I get the less I appreciate what passes these days for popular music, I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. Though I don't always succeed in fi, nding what (who) I'm looking for, I usually do and I'm rarely disappointed. Now it may be, though I don't think so, that in my advancing years my standards have lowered. I do find however that if I just treat the girls as I would like to be treated, I have good experiences. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax.

GE.

Good read on Harry the horse news letter this month, Harry and new partner/writer are angeles buisness owners and are 100% pro everything angeles normally.

In their second column they clearly state that all angeles bar owners are having a horrid time trying to secure good looking girls to work in the bars.

Now if these guys are saying this then the reality is probably a 1000% times worse.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1833029]First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.[/QUOTE]It is not a waste of time at all reporting your experience. It is good to see when / how things go wrong and what defenses can be used to get out of it. To me it is a much better report because it can be learned from. Nobody has ever learned from things going perfect all the time.

A couple of years ago I posted reports in the Dominican Republic thread where I negotiated with a girl who another board member had taken several times before. She not only tried to do a runner on me but wanted double than what was agreed to. She wanted to get the police involved and despite my warnings to her that she did not want to do that she did it anyway. The police ended up threatening her with jail if she didn't leave and go home. But it goes to show that even when you negotiate things can go wrong. You could be doing everything in good faith, but in this hobby we are not dealing with people who are known to be the most upstanding citizens.

I am in the same boat as Good Enough. In the Philippines I relax and have a good time and treat the girls like human beings. I don't negotiate first (unless the girl brings it up) and have never had a problem. I deal mostly with FL (and you will even see guys here saying you should only deal with bar girls) and have never had a runner that was FL or from a bar. It all depends on your personal comfort level as to how you deal in AC. I am not sure why people would go through the trouble of reporting fake prices though. With as many posts as I have, I believe in the integrity of the board. I would sure hate to research and constantly see that prices are in one range but when I got there it turned out to be double. Less I can deal with.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832452] on other angeles boards it has recently been reported by a bar owner member that the girls weekly hygeine is only a farce to earn the city extra cash. LOL. [/QUOTE]A couple of years ago, during an avian flu epidemic, a mayor of a large Chinese city falsified the numbers he gave to the WHO. Cooking the books was evidently traditional practice for government officials in China. However he was dealing with an international agency which was responsible for cross-national efforts to stem a pandemic. When WHO discovered the lie, a scandal ensued in China which was unaccustomed to international rules of play. Much was at stake besides losing face. If China did not conform to WHO rules, automatic sanctions would kick-in which would restrict Chinese international trade and travel. This was to protect rather than punish. The mayor committed suicide in disgrace.

That being said, the Philippine government dare not lie about the STD figures in the PI. If AIDS spiked in the PI the negative impact on tourism would be catastrophic. Everyone in the AC bar industry has a vested interest in checking AIDS and other STD's. If WHO learned that there was a sham testing program which reported false info, the negative consequences for all stakeholders would be enormous. Right now, the incidence of AIDS in the PI is about the same as Japan. That's pretty remarkable. But the best advice is when getting your end wet during uncertain weather, wear your rubbers.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1833135]I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped off[/QUOTE]Damn Goodenough you are a magician and probably have some otherworldy knowledge of pinay psyche and possibly mind control elements. You should write a book heheh. To have lived in the Phils 11 years and never been ripped off is a monumental achievement. Honestly I can't last 2 days there without getting ripped off in by some pinoy in some small or medium manner but I'm just a frequent visitor not a resident.

Hats off to you! How do you suffer us mere mortals here in ISG?

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1833397] Everyone in the AC bar industry has a vested interest in checking AIDS and other STD's. If WHO learned that there was a sham testing program which reported false info, the negative consequences for all stakeholders would be enormous. Right now, the incidence of AIDS in the PI is about the same as Japan. That's pretty remarkable. But the best advice is when getting your end wet during uncertain weather, wear your rubbers.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, if everyone in the bar industry had a vested interest in checking their girls for aids. Std, s why is it not being done?

clearly no checks for aids / stds are made at all, how could they be, no blood is taken, unless you know of a way to test without taking blood?

The hygeine test that is carried out weekly at the moment is a pap smear test only (smear) which is charged at 20 p per time.

A full blood test for aids and stds at any angeles hospital costs 2000 p per time, do you honestly think it is viable for bar owners to pay out this amount daily to check each and every girl?

as far as country/world numbers for aids they could only be considered accurate if 100% of the population was to be tested which obviously they are not so the figures produced by certain organisations are not worth anything and a total farce imho

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833489]
as far as country/world numbers for aids they could only be considered accurate if 100% of the population was to be tested which obviously they are not so the figures produced by certain organisations are not worth anything and a total farce imho[/QUOTE]The numbers for HIV infected people might indeed not be accurate because not all of these people are sick (yet).
However I think the numbers for AIDS are more accurate (certainly not a total farce anyway) because these people are clearly sick and seek medical care.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1833522]The numbers for HIV infected people might indeed not be accurate because not all of these people are sick (yet).
However I think the numbers for AIDS are more accurate (certainly not a total farce anyway) because these people are clearly sick and seek medical care.[/QUOTE]Mogwai,

The people infected with either hiv or aids but have not gone for testing could be in the many millions more,

Many might have full blown aids with mild symptoms they put down to something else and might not go for testing,some might have an idea they have aids but deny it to themselves and to others and refuse to be tested,we can speculate many different ways,

My own cousin died of aids and up to the last few days he looked fine,nobody in the family had a clue he was sick with aids, his death was at a time before meds to keep people alive,

until 100% of the world population is forced to be tested every 3 months only then will we have accurate figures as to who has hiv/aids imho

I can't agree. You're not decades older than me. And, I like some of the pop music.

And by all means, develop a strategy (for yourself). Meet people, have fun, make contacts, have meals with someone, and please get laid. And then get laid again. X.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1833135]I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped off, and I've never much worried about the "face" I need to wear in a bar.

Since the older I get the less I appreciate what passes these days for popular music, I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. Though I don't always succeed in fi, nding what (who) I'm looking for, I usually do and I'm rarely disappointed. Now it may be, though I don't think so, that in my advancing years my standards have lowered. I do find however that if I just treat the girls as I would like to be treated, I have good experiences. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax.

GE.[/QUOTE]

Thanks everyone for your recommendations.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1832941]For a great cup of coffee go to the RBI Steakhouse in the Queens Hotel. You can enjoy your coffee poolside or inside.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833489]With all due respect, if everyone in the bar industry had a vested interest in checking their girls for aids. Std, s why is it not being done? clearly no checks for aids / stds are made at all, how could they be, no blood is taken, unless you know of a way to test without taking blood? The hygeine test that is carried out weekly at the moment is a pap smear test only (smear) [/QUOTE]I agree with you when you said that we are not MD's. However the cost of HIV testing is much less than it was say 15 years ago. You can purchase an over the counter kit in Thailand for probably under $5 US. Perhaps they are now being sold in the PI as well. Some kits use saliva so there is no need for blood. Other STD's can be tested by using vaginal swabs or by testing any exudate from the external urethral meatus, male or female. But what about that nasty chancre sore on the roof of the mouth? Are they testing for herpes and related dermatologic STD's? Are you kidding? But watch out for DFK unless you can fit your tongue in a condom and kiss with that. Oh, BTW, I would not put much stock in what you hear from these girls; they are not MD's either.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1833135]I've been reading these reports with some bemusement because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the behaviors lots of posters described. I'm decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax. GE.[/QUOTE]I have been reading your posts here and on another "worldly" forum for many years. I can recall when you were in Vietnam. I imagined you to be large and formidable. You command a lot of respect-indeed lionized-on the forums and although that is not entirely your doing, it is my nature to react against anyone who is the object of such obsequiousness. That is an apology for any of my posts which may have challenged your points of view. You wrote not so long ago that you were in a "satisfying and fulfilling relationship. " Now it sounds like you are an active monger. Oui ou non? I, like you, like to get the hell out of the bar as quickly as I can. But I fear that makes me seem too eager to get laid and scares away some otherwise likely prospects. Oh, BTW, you were in Vietnam and Mindanao for business. It is none of my beeswax, but are you a mining engineer? Oui ou non? That would be my guess. Me? I am a wastrel for a living.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1833029]First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.[/QUOTE]

You didn't waste your time and your report is appreciated. Ignore the trolls. Your post served as a good reminder that we need to keep our guard up and follow basic mongering rules. It's possible that its happened to others, but they were too embarrassed to report it or they don't have "thick internet skin" and were afraid of the admonishment they were likely to receive.

[QUOTE]Here's the thing in this thread, I've thread through tens and tens of pages of reports before coming here and none of them mentioned getting cheated and money stolen and things like that. So when I lose money like this, it's my fault for not using common sense, which can happen especially in new places. BUT if there were reports of this happening, then it's my fault for not using common sense and not RTFF which is an even worse mistake. [i]SNIP[/i]. So here it is, a report that if newbies read, they won't have an excuse later.[/QUOTE]When you did your research you didn't find anything about getting ripped off by a FL (or even a bargirl) because it rarely happens; at least in AC or Cebu, although it's likely to happen more often in MNL. I've literally been with hundreds of FL's here and never had a major issue like what you described. Sure I've had girls snatch a candy bar, bottle of soda, tube of toothpaste, bottle of shampoo, etc. , but I've never had a girl take money out of my pocket (s). OTH, I do lock up any extra cash and when I go out I only take what I need for the night. Upon returning to the room with a girl I put my cash in the safe (or lock it in my suitcase if no safe).

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1833740]I have been reading your posts here and on another "worldly" forum for many years. I can recall when you were in Vietnam. I imagined you to be large and formidable. You command a lot of respect-indeed lionized-on the forums and although that is not entirely your doing, it is my nature to react against anyone who is the object of such obsequiousness. That is an apology for any of my posts which may have challenged your points of view. You wrote not so long ago that you were in a "satisfying and fulfilling relationship. " Now it sounds like you are an active monger. Oui ou non? I, like you, like to get the hell out of the bar as quickly as I can. But I fear that makes me seem too eager to get laid and scares away some otherwise likely prospects. Oh, BTW, you were in Vietnam and Mindanao for business. It is none of my beeswax, but are you a mining engineer? Oui ou non? That would be my guess. Me? I am a wastrel for a living.[/QUOTE]Didn't want to bore a lot of the guys here by responding with some personal details, so sent you a PM answering some of your questions. You surely owe me no apologies for anything written in response to anything I've posted. I've always figured that any of our posts are fair game for those who disagree.

I didn't realize that I was the object of any obsequiousness, and if I was, it's surely undeserved. My points of view are merely personal opinions and no more worthy of special treatment than the posts of anyone else.

I think that because I've lived for so long in so many third world countries the endless pursuit of the ladies ceased to fascinate me long ago. It really doesn't take long for the ready availability of girls young enough to be my daughter, and now perhaps granddaughter to lose its novelty which is, I suppose, why I don't write about it much. For me, the equation is quite simple: this is a poor country with a lousy educational system that creates few opportunities for its young people. Conversely the pressure on young women to provide sustenance for their families is relentless. Ergo, many of those from poor families do what they do because it's the only way they can provide for their families given that the government does nothing to ameliorate their poverty. For the most part, guys who delude themselves into thinking otherwise--that is, believing that these young women love them because of their charm or looks or personalities-- need to go check the mirrors in their hotel rooms.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833154]Good read on Harry the horse news letter this month, Harry and new partner/writer are angeles buisness owners and are 100% pro everything angeles normally.

In their second column they clearly state that all angeles bar owners are having a horrid time trying to secure good looking girls to work in the bars.

Now if these guys are saying this then the reality is probably a 1000% times worse.[/QUOTE]I used to read Harry the Horse every month, but now no longer reading since Harry stopped his newsletter. Now it is concluded between ads and rambling.

Robb.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1833734]I agree with you when you said that we are not MD's. However the cost of HIV testing is much less than it was say 15 years ago. You can purchase an over the counter kit in Thailand for probably under $5 US. Perhaps they are now being sold in the PI as well. Some kits use saliva so there is no need for blood. Other STD's can be tested by using vaginal swabs or by testing any exudate from the external urethral meatus, male or female. But what about that nasty chancre sore on the roof of the mouth? Are they testing for herpes and related dermatologic STD's? Are you kidding? But watch out for DFK unless you can fit your tongue in a condom and kiss with that. Oh, BTW, I would not put much stock in what you hear from these girls; they are not MD's either.[/QUOTE]I had previously bought a thai aids kit it was about $50 us, the problem with these is their accuracy, It clearly states on the packaging that if a positive reading is given then go for a blood test to make sure, so by the manufacturers own admission their kit is not as accurate as a blood test.

Yes new type oral tests are also available in some countries but again not as reliable as blood testing.

[URL]http://www.aidsmap.com/Rapid-HIV-test-performance-poorer-with-oral-fluid-than-blood-especially-when-prevalence-is-low/page/2228132/[/URL]

But at the end of the day it does not come down to what is available it comes down to no girls in angeles are tested by their bars for anything which is crazy considering that most angeles bargirls think its normal to have multiple sex partners from all around the world bareback.

I think that if the bar owners were actually concerned for their girls health then they should at least educate the girls on the dangers of unprotected sex, I won't hold my breath LOL.

I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?

(on a side note, as someone who likes to RTFF I would agree that more TRIP reports is always a good thing as every part of life is YMMV. The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time. Also as we have seen with various cities- things change. What was true in 2015 might be different now and trip reports can give people an idea of what can be "expected" but obviously you have to temper your expectations.).

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833934]I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?
[/QUOTE]If I were you I would still go to AC. The proximity of everything is a big advantage over Manila, most certainly when it's your first time around. It's true that AC is far from it's peak but 'very, very far' is an exaggaration IMO. You can still have a good time there but it just might take a little longer to find girls to your liking. And beside that: if you don't go there you 'll never know if AC is your cup of tea or not.

Central Park is indeed very close to fields. It's a 2 minute walk to Kokomo's restaurant which is roughly in the middle of fields. It's no problem at all to walk with a girl to this hotel, it might even be safer than taking a trike LOL!

Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833975]Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing![/QUOTE]I agree with what has been said, you have to come try it out to see if you like it. Don't let other's opinions affect yours, but keep them in mind though. I avoided coming into this thread prior to my trip so my opinions and expectations don't get swayed. It's not my cup of tea, I like Manila a lot more, but to each their own. I still had fun and got my dick soaking wet and that's all that counts

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1833995]I agree with what has been said, you have to come try it out to see if you like it. Don't let other's opinions affect yours, but keep them in mind though. I avoided coming into this thread prior to my trip so my opinions and expectations don't get swayed. It's not my cup of tea, I like Manila a lot more, but to each their own. I still had fun and got my dick soaking wet and that's all that counts[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. Having traveled throughout SE Asia I never had AC on my radar. Now after two trips I am hooked. Do not know about the peak but if you are looking for an easy place to get around with day and night action, then AC is a must. It may not be the biggest, cleanest or have the best looking girls, but it has a lot of girls and lots of bars. It is also cheaper than a lot of other places. Try it and see if you like it. I know that I do! The girls are fun and finding the gem is part of the adventure!

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833975]Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing![/QUOTE]You might want to try Subic as well, a totally different place than AC and more economical than AC. If your not a beach person though you probably won't like it much.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833934]The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time.[/QUOTE]The thing with AC is that it only has about 2 blocks of monger use. So sure it is a city, but you will probably see only 2 blocks of it. And everyone walks everywhere. I usually stay at Central Park. It is only 1 block from Fields. Everything will come into view for you once you arrive. It is hard to get the total picture by only reading reports and looking at maps.[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833975]Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing![/QUOTE]That is a great attitude to have!

What is up with mongers wanting to walk down the street holding hands with their hookers? I was sitting at Kokomo's and watched a punter reach for his girl's hand. The girl clearly showed that she did not want to hold hands with him. However he literally forced this girl to hold his hand. Some of these cats are funny. Love and affection.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833975]Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing![/QUOTE]Some would say that Angeles City's peak was Pre Mt Pinatubo. Having been there then (1985-1990) I would have to agree. Totally nude dancing, sex shows. BJs right at your table. NO cell phones or computers. Total unfettered drunken debauchery. I am so thankful I have those memories. But its sad they can't be duplicated today.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1834163]What is up with mongers wanting to walk down the street holding hands with their hookers? I was sitting at Kokomo's and watched a punter reach for his girl's hand. The girl clearly showed that she did not want to hold hands with him. However he literally forced this girl to hold his hand. Some of these cats are funny. Love and affection.[/QUOTE]Its a part of the GFE.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1834181]Its a part of the GFE.[/QUOTE]Usually the ones that you can get from High Society are all with the hand holding and GFE.

Doesn't make him soft. He wanted what he paid for. It's his vacation and his money.

I personally prefer Blow Row find them fuck them forget them.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833934]I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?

(on a side note, as someone who likes to RTFF I would agree that more TRIP reports is always a good thing as every part of life is YMMV. The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time. Also as we have seen with various cities- things change. What was true in 2015 might be different now and trip reports can give people an idea of what can be "expected" but obviously you have to temper your expectations.).[/QUOTE]I was in the same situation, researching my own trip about 3 months ago. I had the same concerns, but in the end, chose differently then you. I decided to skip AC.

The reason? Threefold. First, there were too many people complaining about getting rejected by girls. Secondly, I read some reports about the lower state of hygene and overall presentation of the girls. Including several people mentioning head lice. They also uniformly agreed that the girls in Manila were just better looking. Thirdly, short on time. AC was too far. I wanted to spend some time seeing other areas of Manila and the PI. It seemed there were more things to do in Manila in the daytime.

How do I feel now that I am back? Overall pretty glad, though I do have this "itch" that I never saw AC. That being said, even though prices are lower in AC, I thought the attractiveness of the girls in Manila were just average overall. Definitely pretty girls here and there, but average overall. I wouldn't want to go a notch lower.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1834181]Its a part of the GFE.[/QUOTE]Correct, and holding hands in public, referred to in his post, should be part of the "Terms of Engagement" , sorted out back at the bar.

Possibly an appropriate time for a member to type out, on this thread, proposed "Terms of Engagement", to be used by hobbyists.

Then we could exercise our 'rights' viz: "But its in the Terms of Agreement, honey"!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1834188]I was in the same situation, researching my own trip about 3 months ago. I had the same concerns, but in the end, chose differently then you. I decided to skip AC.
Definitely pretty girls here and there, but average overall. I wouldn't want to go a notch lower.[/QUOTE]I agree skip AC. Stick with Manila. No doubt about that.

AC is all about quantity. If you have 2 to 5 days to spend don't venture outside Manila.

1. No traffic.

2. Lots of choice and lots of interesting characters.

3. Easy to find good food.

4. Cleaner.

5. Same Hotel room in angeles is 20% cheaper.

6. There are some good people there!

But for the most part it is pros only!

PP.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1834173]Some would say that Angeles City's peak was Pre Mt Pinatubo. Having been there then (1985-1990) I would have to agree. Totally nude dancing, sex shows. BJs right at your table. NO cell phones or computers. Total unfettered drunken debauchery. I am so thankful I have those memories. But its sad they can't be duplicated today.[/QUOTE]I did not see angeles till the mid 90's,but even then all the things you describe were the same.

,I too think back at those memories with a big smile on my face, and yes angeles of today is alas a shadow of what it once was.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1834203]I agree skip AC. Stick with Manila. No doubt about that.

AC is all about quantity. If you have 2 to 5 days to spend don't venture outside Manila.[/QUOTE]Have to fully agree.

Would say that if one wants a quantity of mainly plain looking girls then there are plenty in AC.

If one wants many more pretty/ slimmer girls then Manila is your place although more expensive.

As for the guys claiming the food is good in angeles I would say this, The food sucks badly in both angeles and manila.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1834173]Some would say that Angeles City's peak was Pre Mt Pinatubo. Having been there then (1985-1990) I would have to agree. Totally nude dancing, sex shows. BJs right at your table. NO cell phones or computers. Total unfettered drunken debauchery. I am so thankful I have those memories. But its sad they can't be duplicated today.[/QUOTE]I have only been going there for 10 years. I have heard the stories of pre 2006 and pre pinatubo and they have some allure. I wasnt there so I can't comment directly. I'm not a prude but I don't have much interest in watching some monger getting his junk serviced in a public place. Also I like the more recent development that the girls have choices and can turn you down. Seems alot more safe and appreciative of their services.

I have been in the bars when the guys are grappling the the girls in public over the past decade, obviously not like days of yore but I'm not impressed. I'm not an orgy kind of guy. Half the time the girls are somewhat horrified and the many of the guys look like ogres and and would not want to be thier sloppy seconds the following night.

I am not crapping on your memories streetlooker I am sure they are great.

My favorite part of AC the past 10 years is you can find a very sweet young girl at a bar to go with you for a GFE 18 to 24.

For me now is the golden age.

The prices are higher no doubt but still 40 to 50% of crazy Makati prices as best can ascertain. I pay less than I did 10 years ago in P burgos bars at the end of the day. I can still attract the young ones some how. Hell it may not last very much longer I am aging. I love the fresh province girls I don't need some expert prostitute. The young Pinays are malleable like fresh clay and can be trained quick.

In AC bars 2016 you can still get the freshest cream of the crop from the visayas Samar, Leyte Biliran etc but its may take a little more exploration 2 to 3 more bars and a few more beers or bottled waters.

We all were more successful when we were young but my focus is moving forward. The available pussy is literally found no where else in the english speaking world at the price offered.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1834122]The thing with AC is that it only has about 2 blocks of monger use. So sure it is a city, but you will probably see only 2 blocks of it. And everyone walks everywhere. I usually stay at Central Park. It is only 1 block from Fields. Everything will come into view for you once you arrive. It is hard to get the total picture by only reading reports and looking at maps.That is a great attitude to have![/QUOTE]Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. If you are 'usually in central park' its barely a 1 year old hotel. Usually takes more time than that to be a settler. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards. If you have a company expense account then god bless you and good luck. It was barely finished this year.

AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1832960]I came across this posting on an AC thread on FB. Another one bites the dust.[/QUOTE]Fear not all you doom boosters out there, Phillies is not biting the dust. It is being sold to dissolve a partnership. Don't know how much but it will be plenty.

[QUOTE=WSJ3;1834187]Usually the ones that you can get from High Society are all with the hand holding and GFE.

Doesn't make him soft. He wanted what he paid for. It's his vacation and his money.

I personally prefer Blow Row find them fuck them forget them.[/QUOTE]While the girls there are not always the best lookers. They do know what they are there for. Bar girls can be hit or miss sometimes Not always going to get what you want.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1834329]I have only been going there for 10 years. I have heard the stories of pre 2006 and pre pinatubo and they have some allure. I wasnt there so I can't comment directly. I'm not a prude but I don't have much interest in watching some monger getting his junk serviced in a public place. Also I like the more recent development that the girls have choices and can turn you down. Seems alot more safe and appreciative of their services.

I have been in the bars when the guys are grappling the the girls in public over the past decade, obviously not like days of yore but I'm not impressed. I'm not an orgy kind of guy. Half the time the girls are somewhat horrified and the many of the guys look like ogres and and would not want to be thier sloppy seconds the following night.

I am not crapping on your memories streetlooker I am sure they are great.

My favorite part of AC the past 10 years is you can find a very sweet young girl at a bar to go with you for a GFE 18 to 24.

For me now is the golden age.

The prices are higher no doubt but still 40 to 50% of crazy Makati prices as best can ascertain. I pay less than I did 10 years ago in P burgos bars at the end of the day. I can still attract the young ones some how. Hell it may not last very much longer I am aging. I love the fresh province girls I don't need some expert prostitute. The young Pinays are malleable like fresh clay and can be trained quick.

In AC bars 2016 you can still get the freshest cream of the crop from the visayas Samar, Leyte Biliran etc but its may take a little more exploration 2 to 3 more bars and a few more beers or bottled waters.

We all were more successful when we were young but my focus is moving forward. The available pussy is literally found no where else in the english speaking world at the price offered.[/QUOTE]To be honest with you My 52 yr old self might be a bit turned off by orgies and sex shows on stage. I to am not interested in seeing another dudes junk being servced while I try to drink my beer. . BUT my 22 yr old self loved the debauchery if the 80's and was a willing participant in any and all the orgies. My 22 yr old self wanted to fuck for hrs like rabbits. My 52 yr old self want to make love ha ha ha! Then have a nap.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1834338]Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. If you are 'usually in central park' its barely a 1 year old hotel. Usually takes more time than that to be a settler. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards. If you have a company expense account then god bless you and good luck. It was barely finished this year.

AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.[/QUOTE]In it's present form Central Park was finished over a year ago. I stayed there twice during the final construction and it cost me 2000/day. Now that they are finished I think it is over 3000, hence my reason for staying at Eurotel this time around. Central Park itself is not new though. They tore down the old one to build the new one. When I first went to AC years ago, I asked here on the forum and people recommended Pacific Breeze. When I tried to make reservations they were full, so they recommended the sister hotel the next street over. Central Park. It was my hotel of choice until they tore it down. It was in no way in bad condition at the time. I guess they just had a vision to build new and make more money. The 2 times that I stayed at the new construction I have seen Filipino families and businesspeople staying there as well as mongers.

AC bars are in 2 locations, Fields (which the 4 Blow Row bars can be included in) and Perimeter. It is easy to walk the ones around Fields up to Insomnia Bar outside of the Walking Street section. As a matter of fact how else would you get around to them at night since the street closes to motor vehicle traffic? And in the daytime you would look kind of silly taking a trike the short distance from one end to the other. If you are not lazy then you can walk to the ones at Perimeter or catch a trike and walk them from the first bar where you are dropped off. They are not spread out at all. What other locations in AC do you know with bars catering to foreigners?

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1834354]To be honest with you My 52 yr old self might be a bit turned off by orgies and sex shows on stage. I to am not interested in seeing another dudes junk being servced while I try to drink my beer. . BUT my 22 yr old self loved the debauchery if the 80's and was a willing participant in any and all the orgies. My 22 yr old self wanted to fuck for hrs like rabbits. My 52 yr old self want to make love ha ha ha! Then have a nap.[/QUOTE]Yeah that was kind of my point.

Its all about the place and who you are and at what age and financial situation you are in and monetary limitations and past views, experiences etc.

The past heyday was organically developed as a place for young US servicemen of the pre internet days. Porn was limited to playboy and huslter magazines and 8 mm movies that were grainy and rare as sasquatches. Nowadays we have seen everything live and in HD thank you very much.

Plus we are older and I'm slightly older than you. While the prices were better 10 years ago+ for me now is the heyday of AC for my mid 50's self. If I were a penisoner on a limited budget stuck there in my late retirement years I'd be alarmed at the cost and the selectiveness of the younger girls. Its all about perspsective. For me at my age AC is in a golden age. There are more bars and establishments than ever by far. Less crowd sucks if your a bar owner or love a racuous atmosphere. I don't need that. I'm still not too old believe it or not that I can get the young ones fresh and clean from the provinces to go with me and usually stay for the night and multiple rounds. Do I get runners after 1 pop? Yes but I don't get offended or wish for more subserviant girls. I'm glad I'm not fucking sex slaves who feel 'no' and 'I have to go' is an option. When the girl says she wants to go, the reason is irrelevant. Its her choice and I respect it whether its true or not I don't care. She is free to change her mind just as you and I were always free to kick her out. I chalk everything up to human experience and respect for the girls.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1834949]Yeah that was kind of my point.

Its all about the place and who you are and at what age and financial situation you are in and monetary limitations and past views, experiences etc.

The past heyday was organically developed as a place for young US servicemen of the pre internet days. Porn was limited to playboy and huslter magazines and 8 mm movies that were grainy and rare as sasquatches. Nowadays we have seen everything live and in HD thank you very much.

Plus we are older and I'm slightly older than you. While the prices were better 10 years ago+ for me now is the heyday of AC for my mid 50's self. If I were a penisoner on a limited budget stuck there in my late retirement years I'd be alarmed at the cost and the selectiveness of the younger girls. Its all about perspsective. For me at my age AC is in a golden age. There are more bars and establishments than ever by far. Less crowd sucks if your a bar owner or love a racuous atmosphere. I don't need that. I'm still not too old believe it or not that I can get the young ones fresh and clean from the provinces to go with me and usually stay for the night and multiple rounds. Do I get runners after 1 pop? Yes but I don't get offended or wish for more subserviant girls. I'm glad I'm not fucking sex slaves who feel 'no' and 'I have to go' is an option. When the girl says she wants to go, the reason is irrelevant. Its her choice and I respect it whether its true or not I don't care. She is free to change her mind just as you and I were always free to kick her out. I chalk everything up to human experience and respect for the girls.[/QUOTE]Well said. It all comes down to what each of us is prepared to accept and do. Just as all girls are different so are we. I also am in my early 50's and with life experience and a lot of Asian experience and IMHO this is the best time to enjoy the hobby. I used to go 100 miles an hour with lots of girls and lots at the one time. Now it is more about enjoying the time and finding those gems that are out there. Enjoying the bar hopping, drinking and socializing with the girls. They all have something to offer and it is really about the moment as to what we accept. Have been in AC only a few times, but it is exactly what guys like me look for in terms of a short break. Four or five days of fun away from the big cities, traffic, and high costs. Yes we get runners, star fish and girls playing games. But the hobby we have chosen has these as a consequence. For every one bad experience there is a good one.

I remember the hey days of Changping and AC reminds me of that place except it has bars instead of karaoke clubs. Changping is now a distant memory, but thank goodness for places like AC. Small, cheap and easy to get around with lots of girls.

Happy mongering.

I had a few days in AC in January, with three nights in Subic in the middle. First night I was in the Penthouse Hotel (review on hotel thread) and whilst it was just one night with late arrival, I was able to find a really cute little spinner in the street close to the Margurita Station, who eventually agreed to come back with me. She said she was on her way home from Monsoon, though a bit early I thought (about 11 pm) Anyway she wanted to walk to the hotel, and we came to the Rodeo bar, so she wanted to go in for a drink. There was live music and dancing in there, so we stayed a while and she even got up and sang with the group. Very well, and well supported by the other customers too, one even buying us both a drink! Eventually we reached to hotel, and she was hungry so we went to the rooftop pool / bar for another drink and food. Its a great spot, but we were the only ones up there, apart from the staff! Anyway, so to bed, and she was a real raver between the sheets. She happily stayed all night, we had a couple of pops before sleep and another in the morning; she loved having her pussy licked, and I loved to do that, so it worked out pretty well! She left at 11.30 when I checked out, 2000 better off. I took her number to catch up later in the week when I returned, but unfortunately we didn't manage to do that. I will definitely try to find her again. Her name is Annabel, in case anybody finds her. Lovely girl, quite short (like me haha).

Back at home now after 2 weeks in AC and hopefully I can summarize my thoughts and opinions in a way that's constructive to this forum, especially for those new to AC and the Philippines like I was. Obviously my opinions will be biased by on my past experiences and expectations before I came. Those expectations were adjusted after I came of course so hopefully I'm giving a complete picture of my experience.

Staying in AC:

I chose Pacific Breeze as it's moderately priced at 2500 per night, is clean, and is a 1 minute walk from Fields. Most bar girls and freelancers knows this and so they don't get scared if you name a hotel they're not familiar with. I've spoken to others who have stayed here a bit longer and they've picked hotels a couple of blocks further than PB. The price they said is half what PB charges, but I feel you might get girls who'll get apprehensive about going there. I don't know this for sure. If you run into this problem though you're not stuck there and you can move. If you feel like splurging a bit, ABC Hotel is close to Fields and is much nicer for about twice the price of PB (big rooms and nice furnishing).

Getting to AC:

I arrived through Manila instead of through Clark. The price ended up being about $300 US less than if I flew into Clark alone. If you have luggage, it's probably best to get a private van as I did, which my hotel charged 2700 p x 2 trips for. That ends up being $100 US so I save $200 which is 3-4 barfines if that matters to you. Also note you will spend about a total of 6 hours on the road between AC and Manila. Besides price another advantage is that you have more arrival / departure options if you go through Manila.

Getting around the bar areas:

There are 2 main bar areas, Fields and Perimeter. You can walk all of Fields easily. Along Perimeter, I ventured only as far as Lost in Asia and backtracked eastwards by walking. From Fields to Lost in Asia it's a 100 p trike ride. Some trike drivers will try to charge you 150 but tell them you know it's 100. My first ride ended up being 150 but later one of the bar girls I took back got the "local price". It's not a big difference but I get annoyed by locals trying to shortchange visitors. Happens everywhere obviously. I haven't 100% figured out how to use the jeepneys. I think you wave them down and when you want to get off you just tell the driver. Much cheaper but the savings aren't worth it for me at least.

Foreign exchange:

I was recommended Norma's when I first came but there are plenty of options along Fields with all fairly close exchange rates. The rates differ by about 0. 2% so it's literally next to nothing. I ended up always exchanging at a place near Jollibee. The center of this map [URL]http://www.acmap.com/map.aspx?mapID=f17[/URL] Norma's is actually a bit off of Fields and they're also not 24 hrs. The one I pointed out is 24 hrs.

Food:

Lots of options along Fields. A lot of Filipino, Korean and burger / pizza places there. There's also an Indian restaurant, a Mexican place, and some Chinese options. There's a newly opened Arabic / Persian place that I recommend people trying right next to Norma's. It's called Azor and it's also a good place to meet people. I also went to Chowking, which is a Chinese-style fast food chain, and Kokomos a bunch of times. Niji's is a well known Japanese restaurant quite a bit away from Fields (price is more expensive, I paid about 800 p per person). A 150 p trike ride will get you there. If you stay on Fields though, most meals will cost you under 400 p. The fast food options like Chowking and Jollibee's will be under 200 most of the time. Lots of places are open until very late, like 3-4 am, or 24 hours even. Basically it's cheap and will get you full. Some restaurants are decent, but you're probably not coming to AC for the food right?

Safety:

As with other developing countries, expect to be nickel and dimed, but the damage is not that heavy, unless you're like me. I had money stolen from me by a free lancer (look at one of my earlier reports). So as others have stated, use the safe in your room to lock up your money and phone. Also girls have told me they've been robbed and it's best to stay in lighted areas at night. Generally though along Fields at night and Perimeter during daytime, I felt pretty safe walking alone.

The bars:

I'll go into detail about Perimeter vs Fields later so this is just a general segment about picking up from bars. Typically I've seen the gogo bars having two rotations of girls. They dance for 30 minutes at a time, then switch. So when you walk in the bar you're only looking at one rotation unless you actively go around seeking out the other one. Problem is that the bars expect you to sit down and buy a drink immediately after you go in. The waitresses will get in your face as soon as you enter. They'll also remind you that you're not supposed to sit there and watch the girls without paying, although they give you like a 3 minute grace period about. I think the waitresses, especially the older / fat ones, are pretty annoying, but you have to understand a lot of their income is coming from tips. You can skip the up-to-30-minute wait period to see the next set of girls by looking around the bar for girls who are resting. But I thought that was kind of creepy, so I didn't do that. One of my problems early on was that I spent a bit too much on drinks for myself going between the different bars before I found a suitable girl to BF. I caved too often to the pressure from waitresses. It's not that much, even 4 drinks is only 400 p or about $8, but it's a fee that's avoidable and I feel like I'm paying for nothing. In addition to that, in the beginning I'll end up buying LDs for a girl who was either really closed up or has no real interest in me. Each LD is 250-300 (double LDs are standard now). Again not too expensive, but it's paying for nothing if the girl doesn't go back with you. Next section I'll talk about how I tried to avoid these stupid upfront costs, but first I'll mention what I'm looking for. In the first couple of days in AC, I was looking for just any pussy which is easy and not a challenge at all. But later on naturally I got a bit picky. I needed a girl who was at least half decent looking face and body-wise AND had a good attitude. I can compromise a little bit on the looks side if she was enthusiastic.

My in-bar interview strategy:

Now to avoid those upfront costs, my strategy was to go inside a bar, take 20-30 seconds to look through the current lineup. During this time, the girls also have a chance to look at me. If one or more of them met my looks requirements and she's making eye contact with me, is smiling AND is kind of dancing somewhat, she's a potential candidate. I've probably cut my upfront costs by more than half by doing this. It's more work but I end up wasting less money and especially time. I think time is actually the bigger saving in this case. If a girl is a candidate, then I sit down, get a drink, make eye contact with her some more, smile at her and see how she reacts. If she's responding well, then I call her down. I ask a few basic questions before getting her an LD. The answers themselves are not really that important. It's more about how they respond. You can filter out girls who are really closed up and uninterested very quickly. I think you need to do this because sometimes their attitude when they sit down and when they're on stage can be very different. The girls get money and a rest from the stage when you get a drink for them, so there's an incentive for them just to sit down with you. At first I thought it's somewhat deceptive, but if you see it from their perspective, you'll understand. They're up there for several hours a day, wearing next to nothing in an air conditioned room, music blasting non-stop. I do have one question where the answer does matter, which is whether they have had a boyfriend or not in the past. If they didn't it could mean they're a cherry girl and that's not what I'm going for on this trip. The cost is something like 30 k to pop their cherry. I didn't ask for details, but this is what I read from the forums. Now if the girls pass the interview phase, I get them a drink and talk to them some more. If they seem interesting after a 10 minute conversation, I can pretty much decide to take them back. However I've gotten caught with the "I'm on mens (period)" thing at the stage where I'm about to BF them. So it might be a good idea to ask them at the beginning? I don't know how you would ask that question though without sounding like a pervert. I mean, yes everyone knows you're here for pussy, but I notice that girls do get a little turned off if you ask that question. So up to you I guess, YMMV. Perhaps if you ask it correctly, it has no long term consequences. For me I never asked the question and paid maybe 3 LDs, or about 800-900 p, that I didn't need to pay.

Negotiating services with bar girls (not including freelancers):

I negotiated with a bar girl maybe once or twice because I wanted something specific (photos) or multiple pops. But other than just unenthusiastic service, which I explained before how I would avoid in the future, by the second week of my trip I never had a case where I didn't get what I expected. During my first week however I was expecting LT to be the default, but then I almost always would get ST from the girls. I ended up preferring ST though. During my first week, the girls would leave immediately after one pop or one pop plus half an hour of watching TV or playing with their phone, and I'd wonder whether it's something I did wrong. By the second week of the trip I'd actually prefer most of them to go, except a few really nice looking and enthusiastic ones where I specifically asked for 2 pops. I already mentioned this in another report, but I don't find conversations with the girls to be very interesting due to their limited vocabulary and I prefer sleeping alone. I can adjust the temperature as I want, I'm a light sleeper, and I like having space in bed. Your preferences may be different but this is what I want. Also getting ST means being able to get a different girl afternoon and night which is a plus.

That's all I'll write today and I'll continue this half-report half-guide tomorrow.

I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one. Anyway, afternoon of my return from Subic I needed a few things, so walked over from the Central Park Tower to the mall. Bought what I needed, walked around looking longingly at the sweet young things in there, without any return of interest. I decided a drink was needed so went to the open plan Starbucks right in the middle on the ground floor. I got a drink and sat down, just watching the passers by. Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. I glanced at her, she just waited there, so after a few minutes I caught her eye and smiled at her. She smiled back, so I gestured her to come and sit down. She said she had been waiting for a friend, but hadn't managed to meet up. I bought her a coffee, chatted a bit, and long story short, invited her back to my room, to which she readily agreed! We went outside and took a trike back to CPT. We got to the room, and turned out that she could do massage, so I gave her a bit of cash and she went out to get some oil etc. I gave her a 500 p, and she left her phone and handbag, so I wasn't too worried that she wouldn't return. So a really good professional massage, which of course led on to the inevitable. She stayed about three hours altogether, and we had a very nice, relaxed time. We exchanged numbers, with a view to her coming back, but I had other things in mind, and in the end didn't see her again. Looking back, that was a mistake, she was very nice girl and we had a great session, but plenty more fish in the sea! She didn't ask but I gave her 2000, which she was delighted with. Of course, reception called as she was leaving to be sure everything was ok. First time I have stayed there, but the doorman remembered me from Pacific Breeze, which is same owner and where many of the staff have come from, and he even remembered that I had had some money stolen 2 years ago! Its that sort of hotel and I will return.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;1835840]I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one... Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. I glanced at her, she just waited there, so after a few minutes I caught her eye and smiled at her. She smiled back, so I gestured her to come and sit down... She stayed about three hours altogether, and we had a very nice, relaxed time. We exchanged numbers, with a view to her coming back, but I had other things in mind, and in the end didn't see her again. Looking back, that was a mistake, she was very nice girl and we had a great session, [/QUOTE]Great reports Threadbare. To me this is what it is all about, not hunting down 18 year old, tall, light-skinned girls. Sure sometimes I get criteria of a certain type of chick that I would like to find and take for the night, but I do not get obsessed about it. I just go out with an open mind and see what I can get into.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;1835840]I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one. Anyway, afternoon of my return from Subic I needed a few things, so walked over from the Central Park Tower to the mall. .....

Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. ....
invited her back to my room, to which she readily agreed!
.....

She stayed about three hours altogether, and we had a very nice, relaxed time. [/QUOTE]These chance encounters are the most memorable hookups of my life. Too easy to pick up P2P girls but catching one 'normal' girl from the mall is priceless.

I posted on here a few months ago for some information regarding AC at Easter. Most replies were negative, and I have since had second thoughts about coming. I have a one way flight booked Bangkok to Manila ($150) on Saturday March 26th. Then going AC on Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. Subic Bay for 2 days, then back to AC for another 2 days, back to Manila before going home on Sunday April 3rd. Serious Question. Shall I not take my flight to The Philippines and stay in Thailand?. Or can a good time still be had. Please be honest.

Sorry for the late trip report. My best friend KC and I started this trip with 2 days in Macau (See report in Macau thread). 5 days in AC and then 13 days in Pattaya (Report to follow). It's our first time in philippines so we were very excited. Here goes our experience -.

Landed at Manila airport around 1 pm. Devera hotel sent a taxi to pick us up for 2700 Php. Coming out was a breeze. Driver was waiting with a sign. We left Manila airport pretty quickly but as expected, a lot of traffic. Took us 4 long hours to get to AC. Very tired by the time we got to Devera Hotel. 2 beautiful young girls at the reception. If this is any indication, we are going to love AC. Check in was a breeze. Our rooms were small but adequate. Very clean and seemed like recently renovated. Staff was extremely courteous and helpful. 1400 Php is not a bad price.

I don't want to write every minute of our 5 days there but here are some observations and experiences. YMMV. You may even read it as a comparison to Pattaya, where we go every year.

Walking street in AC is lot smaller than the walking street in Pattaya but still a decent no. Of go go bars, with quite a few girls available.

After the first night, we never went back to Perimeter bars. There were no girls to our taste there.

Thai girls are prettier than filipinas IMHO. Nonetheless, there were a few good looking, young, slim girls available in AC. Can not compare AC with a few years before since this was our first time but there weren't too many girls to our liking. Kinda glad that we only booked for 5 days.

Quality and variety of food is Hundred times greater in Pattaya than AC.

Lot more to do in the day time in Pattaya compared to AC.

We went to almost every go go bar on walking street. We had a really good time in go go bars in AC but the girls in Pattaya are a lot more fun to talk to, to play with, get dirty with etc. Girls in AC seemed a little bit shy compared to their Pattaya counterparts.

To their credit, AC girls seemed a lot less professional about their work than the Pattaya girls. They were more interested in LT. Meanwhile, most pattaya girls are looking for ST.

AC is about 20%-30% cheaper than Pattaya when comparing drinks, girls costs etc. I don't mind that.

Each of us took a girl every night. So, 5 girls for me for 5 nights. 2 girls stayed until 2 in the afternoon. Other 3 stayed until 10-11 in the morning. All were nice and eager to please. 1 from High society had a bit of an attitude but once she was told who the boss was, she was no problem for the rest of the night. I find that in AC or in Pattaya, or in most places around the world, taking charge is not only necessary, it's expected. Subtle reminders to her keep her in line.

We didn't pick anybody over 22 so it was a bit of work to find cute, young, slim girls but it was doable. Many go gos weren't even worth spending any time in since there were no girls to our liking.

I picked 2 girls from Club Ra (3000 Php each), 1 from Doll house (3000 Php), 1 waitress from Q bar (2400 Php) and 1 from High society (1500 Php). Club Ra was our favorite to pick a girl fom. Doll house and Crystal palace were more fun to hang out.

Now the big subject of Rejection. At Doll house, Crystal palace and 1 dancer girl at Club Ra refused to bar fine. All saying that they just started a few days ago and do not go out with any customer. They were all nice, courteous and polite. After a bit of persuasion and involving waitress and mamasan, 2 agreed to go out for fun but no sex. Do you think I was going to agree to that? I don't think so. 3rd dancer girl indeed had a bad attitude from Club Ra. I bought each of them a drink but I had fun with them in the club so I'm not complaining for a $3-$4 drink. So, in all, I lost like $10-$12. Think I can afford that. I quickly chose a new girl who was more than happy to bar fine.

Spoke with many waitresses and Mamasans. When you call a girl over, you are fully entitled to ask her if she bar fines or not, before buying her a drink. This is for people who do not want to buy lady drinks to the potential nay-sayer. I personally don't mind it. Since, I will usually get my drinks worth by having fun with her, kissing her, fondling her etc.

I'm always nice and chatty to the waitress and mamasan as soon as I enter. Sometimes, they can help you. It doesn't necessarily mean buying them a drink. You can always refuse nicely. If the waitress is cute and willing to have fun, I will buy her a drink. But you don't want to be too friendly either otherwise, they keep pestering you for drinks and also, annoy you when you are sitting with a girl. Totally ignore them at your convenience. Just do it tactfully.

As soon as you enter the bar, waitress will be all over you and will try to seat you down where she wants. Do not get rushed. Look around, walk around the club, find a seat to your liking and sit down. Don't let them tell you where to sit.

Another thing to do is to go in a bar, take a slow stroll to cover the entire bar before sitting down. While walking, look at all the girls on the stage and sitting around, if you do not like anybody, there is no point in sitting down and wasting time and money on drink. Don't let them rush you. Stand your ground and if you don't like anybody, move on to the next bar without spending any money. You are welcome to come back to this club tomorrow.

Also, if you get the waitress to call a girl over, she will immediately ask you to buy her a drink. If you call a girl over yourself or if she comes to you on her own, waitresses are usually not all over you to buy her a drink. Gives you a few minutes to pre-screen her.

Kokomo's food was below par. For breakfast, there was a bakery we liked which was 2 doors down from our hotel. We ate there everyday. Decent breakfast and good selection of baked goods. We found it to be busy at all times.

Did attend Scorebirds weekly Pool party. Nothing special but not bad for 1 time. 500 Php included for food and drinks. Pretty reasonable price.

Every manager and owner we talked to in AC, complained of slow business. This high season being more like low season. Some blamed world economy, some blamed falling currency rates and some blamed Manila airport horror stories.

Overall, we had good time. No complains. Will we visit again? Definitely. When? Not sure. There are many other places to visit but we wouldn't hesitate going back. We really like Germany and Latin America especially Brazil. But whenever we are in Asia, we will go back to AC.

Luckily, our flight was 8 in the morning so leaving AC to reach Manila airport was a breeze. No traffic. We got there in an hour and a half. No problems at the airport. Off to Pattaya for the rest of our trip. Will post in Pattaya thread soon.

SexMachine1.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1834519]In it's present form Central Park was finished over a year ago. I stayed there twice during the final construction and it cost me 2000/day. Now that they are finished I think it is over 3000, hence my reason for staying at Eurotel this time around. Central Park itself is not new though. They tore down the old one to build the new one. When I first went to AC years ago, I asked here on the forum and people recommended Pacific Breeze. When I tried to make reservations they were full, so they recommended the sister hotel the next street over. Central Park. It was my hotel of choice until they tore it down. It was in no way in bad condition at the time. I guess they just had a vision to build new and make more money. The 2 times that I stayed at the new construction I have seen Filipino families and businesspeople staying there as well as mongers.

AC bars are in 2 locations, Fields (which the 4 Blow Row bars can be included in) and Perimeter. It is easy to walk the ones around Fields up to Insomnia Bar outside of the Walking Street section. As a matter of fact how else would you get around to them at night since the street closes to motor vehicle traffic? And in the daytime you would look kind of silly taking a trike the short distance from one end to the other. If you are not lazy then you can walk to the ones at Perimeter or catch a trike and walk them from the first bar where you are dropped off. They are not spread out at all. What other locations in AC do you know with bars catering to foreigners?[/QUOTE]Once you get past Insomnia there are still quite a few bars though they are not clustered like fields. The prices are generally lower barfines and ladies drinks and your drinks. There is a little cluster of bars around Eruptions and then further down past Petron and Sunset Garden Hotel there is a group of about two dozen bars around Garfields. That is what I always thought of the perimeter. This past New years I picked one up from Ice House bar my very last night a few girls I would have taken and it was cheap. Two scotches and 2 LD and my total bill including the BF was like 2400 it seemed too low. I forget what the exact barfine was. I never remember shit like that unless I write it down and I don't.

Past that according to this map I picked up at the hotel lobby there is another small cluster but I think that's the beginning of Korea town I don't have first hand experience. Then down to frienship is full blown Koreatown. I have been driven past it but never stopped. I am sure Koreans are pulling girls out of those KTV places but its just a guess.

Its funny this map appears to be pretty recently printed but its already out of date with the rate of change in AC. Miss Magic is no longer a bar its a Steakhouse amongst other changes.

This is probably impossible to decipher here due to the scale. If you PM me I could try sending it for any interested members. I scanned it and pieced it together in photoshop. It has a weblink but I couldn't find this map online. Its a pretty cool map and is available probably at all the listed advertisers. Sorry for the quality I suck at Photoshop and compression etc and by the time I got it small enough to upload it will likely be blur. Its called City Guide Angeles City Entertainment Center and the red dots are bars and most all are named. I hope this upload isn't a total fail but you get the idea.

Sunset Garden has an excellent outdoor restaruant by the way ever meal I or my gal ever had was superb. Its always empty for some reason the prices are pretty high so the cheap hotel guests cheap guys like me, don't eat there as much as you would think.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;1835840]I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one.SNIP Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. I glanced at her, she just waited there, so after a few minutes I caught her eye and smiled at her. She smiled back, so I gestured her to come and sit down. She said she had been waiting for a friend, but hadn't managed to meet up. I bought her a coffee, chatted a bit, and long story short, [b]invited her back to my room, to which she readily agreed! [/b]SNIPShe didn't ask but I gave her 2000, which she was delighted with.SNIP[/QUOTE]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.

Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1835855]These chance encounters are the most memorable hookups of my life. Too easy to pick up P2P girls but catching one 'normal' girl from the mall is priceless.[/QUOTE]Is that to say that the P4 P girls (and I include bar girls as well as semi-pro's and pro FL's) are abbynormal? Good thing the girls are mostly petite and not 7 and a half foot long, fifty-four inch wide gorillas.

Please define normal.

Sexmachine1,thanks for your angeles trip report, it seems to be pointing out exactly what I and many others have found in the new angeles.

I have also read today your Pattaya trip report and in all honesty it is black from white.

Angeles bar owners take note.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1836023]Sexmachine1,thanks for your angeles trip report, it seems to be pointing out exactly what I and many others have found in the new angeles.

I have also read today your Pattaya trip report and in all honesty it is black from white.

Angeles bar owners take note.[/QUOTE]I've been to AC once, and decided not to indulge in some of my fetishes. Being unsure on how it would be perceived but now my second time there.

Curious as how that plays out meaning do I pay more do they laugh call you weird and all the girls refused to go with ever if you say they don't have to do it anymore. I've rtff and didn't find much.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1836019]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.

Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substantially and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be their ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1836019]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.

Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you're right PJ, I can live with that. It was still an unplanned and enjoyable experience. She certainly didn't need much persuading to come with me!

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1836068]I've been to AC once, and decided not to indulge in some of my fetishes. Being unsure on how it would be perceived but now my second time there.

Curious as how that plays out meaning do I pay more do they laugh call you weird and all the girls refused to go with ever if you say they don't have to do it anymore. I've rtff and didn't find much.[/QUOTE]There is nothing you could say to most bargirls (within reason) that they have not heard before, so do not be shy but be nice about the way you ask.

Some might refuse (nicely), some might be willing to do your fetishes for the right price,

You will never know unless you ask.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836080]Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substatianlly and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be thier ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.[/QUOTE]Pantot, with all due respect, any young girl who is accepting cash payments in exchange for providing pussy is a prostitute regardless of how one dresses it up.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution[/URL]

Most pinays i know that made it through higher education,college,university did it by some help of family members that are working abroad and also the girl working a night job themselves,usually in a restaurant,mall etc,

They would not have dreamed in a million years of selling their pussy to an old guy in exchange for payment to help them,

once that idea enters their head then they are alas the same as any bar girl (prostitute) selling her pussy by the hour.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1835784]
Getting around the bar areas:

There are 2 main bar areas, Fields and Perimeter. You can walk all of Fields easily. Along Perimeter, I ventured only as far as Lost in Asia and backtracked eastwards by walking. From Fields to Lost in Asia it's a 100 p trike ride. Some trike drivers will try to charge you 150 but tell them you know it's 100. My first ride ended up being 150 but later one of the bar girls I took back got the "local price". It's not a big difference but I get annoyed by locals trying to shortchange visitors. Happens everywhere obviously. I haven't 100% figured out how to use the jeepneys. I think you wave them down and when you want to get off you just tell the driver. Much cheaper but the savings aren't worth it for me at least.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for your nice comprehensive report!

Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. Even when you're with a local the trike drivers will quote you the 'foreigner price'. Hell, some bar girls have complained to me that even when they are alone they are quoted 100 p. In the Fields area anyway.

Yes, you can wave down the jeepneys. You pay the driver during the ride (so not when you get off like in Thailand). If you're sitting too far away from the driver to hand over the money then the passengers sitting between you and the driver can take care of that. In the same way you will get your change back, if applicable.
To let the driver stop you say out loud: para!

Jeepneys are uncomfortable for most of us tall westerners but for me they are worth the savings. For a short ride anyway. And trikes are not that comfortable either.

At the trike lineups, they all are watching. If you are farther down the road and talk to a drive by himself, you can negotiate 50 with some of them. I personally never get into a trike when the driver shouts, "TRIKE, TRIKE" to me. Annoying.

The tricycles seem to have different designs in different geographic areas of the Philippines. Oddly, AC trikes, with a long history of dealing with big and tall customers, seems to have the smallest trike. Someone please explain that. Who makes these machines?

I was surprised in Biliran to see full size bicycle trikes, whereas you usually find smallish bicycle tricycles in most other areas. BTW, what is the proper Filipino name for a human / pedal powered tricycle. I've ridden the many times, but the vocabulary gets confusing.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1836182]Thanks for your nice comprehensive report!

Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. Even when you're with a local the trike drivers will quote you the 'foreigner price'. Hell, some bar girls have complained to me that even when they are alone they are quoted 100 p. In the Fields area anyway.

Yes, you can wave down the jeepneys. You pay the driver during the ride (so not when you get off like in Thailand). If you're sitting too far away from the driver to hand over the money then the passengers sitting between you and the driver can take care of that. In the same way you will get your change back, if applicable.
To let the driver stop you say out loud: para!

Jeepneys are uncomfortable for most of us tall westerners but for me they are worth the savings. For a short ride anyway. And trikes are not that comfortable either.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1836182]Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. [/QUOTE]So how much do you pay or how much is the local price? My expat friends tell me the price is 70, but they will try to get you for 100. I thought that was a little excessive seeing that I only give them 80 to and from the bus station. That is usually as much as I take a trike, but I was running late to meet a girl at the mall the week before last and hopped into one. When we arrived at the mall I asked him how much and he said 100. I laughed amd said nice try and handed him 70. It seems I remember it being 120 from my exgirlfriend's house which is about 15 minutes away.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1836019]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.[/QUOTE]Not sure about whether the girl was a FL, but it did sound a little too easy. You know what they say about when something appears too good to be true.

Ignorance is certainly bliss. I've picked up a girl outside Mcdo and a girl working in a laundry mat. But it was too easy getting them into my room. I doubt either of them were never involved in P4P.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1834338]Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards.
AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.[/QUOTE]Which Philippines hotel is not overpriced? Never found a good deal for a Philippines hotel.

And I cannot believe that Mr. E says AC is covered in only 2 blocks.

Perimeter alone is more than 2 blocks. But guess he was referring to guys who stick to Fields.

Around Fields the trike price is 100. It is the same for locals unless maybe they catch one driving by and bargain. There is some orderly method that they line up and take their turns. Most trikes will want 100 as they will have to line up again and wait their turn.

Outside of the bar and hotel areas trike prices are lower and possibly based on distance. An example is at the end of of the jeepney run in Friendship the locals pay 30 pesos for a ride to their home.

I personally don't advise getting into a trike and tossing 70 or 80 pesos to them at arrival of your destination. Get the agreed price up front. The implied price is 100. Always get the agreed price up front. These drivers have a great memory. I usually don't take a trike from the stand at Manson drugs but on a few occasions that I have lately, the trike drivers remembered me and my hotel from a year ago.

Sometimes I meet a girl for lunch or dinner at SM Mall and usually together we take a trike back and she gets off around perimeter and I go on to my hotel. I tell the driver there is a stop for the girl to get off and we continue to my hotel and confirm the price is 100. Last month I did the same and had the girl tell the trike driver she would be getting off at Mason Drugs. I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument and the hotel guard came out, took the 100 pesos from my hand and threw it at the driver and grabbed my arm and dragged me into the hotel. He lectured me to always walk away from a fight in AC. About an hour later after I calmed down I realized he was right.

Get the agreed price and your destination up front.

Around Fields the trike price is 100. It is the same for locals unless maybe they catch one driving by and bargain. There is some orderly method that they line up and take their turns. Most trikes will want 100 as they will have to line up again and wait their turn.

Outside of the bar and hotel areas trike prices are lower and possibly based on distance. An example is at the end of of the jeepney run in Friendship the locals pay 30 pesos for a ride to their home.

I personally don't advise getting into a trike and tossing 70 or 80 pesos to them at arrival of your destination. Get the agreed price up front. The implied price is 100. Always get the agreed price up front. These drivers have a great memory. I usually don't take a trike from the stand at Manson drugs but on a few occasions that I have lately, the trike drivers remembered me and my hotel from a year ago.

Sometimes I meet a girl for lunch or dinner at SM Mall and usually together we take a trike back and she gets off around perimeter and I go on to my hotel. I tell the driver there is a stop for the girl to get off and we continue to my hotel and confirm the price is 100. Last month I did the same and had the girl tell the trike driver she would be getting off at Mason Drugs. I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument and the hotel guard came out, took the 100 pesos from my hand and threw it at the driver and grabbed my arm and dragged me into the hotel. He lectured me to always walk away from a fight in AC. About an hour later after I calmed down I realized he was right.

Get the agreed price and your destination up front.

[QUOTE=XMan;1836226]BTW, what is the proper Filipino name for a human / pedal powered tricycle. I've ridden the many times, but the vocabulary gets confusing.[/QUOTE]The human-powered thing is a pedicab.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1836329]I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument [/QUOTE]Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836404]Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.[/QUOTE]Concur, with one exception. The trykes on Walking street, the ones that line up, the drivers tend to tell you 100 before they will agree to take you anywhere. If you try to haggle, they will not budge down. For most any other trykes, they are not stuck on the amount, unless they can convince you of that after the ride. If you and he made no prior agreement, then handing the driver 70 (or 50) instead of 100 will not break his piggy bank today. However, most gringos are afraid of a loud tryke driver.

The exception: If I pay p10 for a tryke ride in AC, while Mr E pays p100 for the same ride (possibly to the same driver), Mr E did not get ripped off. That's only a $2 difference, and meaningless to most of us. For most of us spending a week in AC, you're only going to be in a tryke 5-10 times. Even if you pay the extra $2 each time, that's only $20, and means you walked much less than you had to. I think we often get caught up in trying to *not* pay the gringo price, when usually in totality it is small.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836404]Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.[/QUOTE]20 or 30 pesos is not worth it to me. Maybe to someone else but not to me. Most trike drivers are skilled drivers and get me to my destination safely. Hardly have any not known some of the out of the way locations I have gone to and the long ways around the traffic areas. Most know the exact location of pot holes on every street.

I don't come to AC to change the trike charging policies.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836080]Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substatianlly and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be thier ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.[/QUOTE]May as well stick to the standard English language definition: "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit". The drive could be poverty, supporting kids, drugs, pimping control, marriage contract, visa, foreign passport etc. Definition is still the same.

Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines. I use jeepneys as policy and only use trikes where jeepneys are not practical (eg routing). I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Exactly. In Dumaguete it was 10 pesos for a trike to take you to the other side of the city. And they were big and comfortable.
[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.[/QUOTE]And the bad part is that you will not even see it coming.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]May as well stick to the standard English language definition: "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit". The drive could be poverty, supporting kids, drugs, pimping control, marriage contract, visa, foreign passport etc. Definition is still the same.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you and Napaslapper for providing us the dictionary and Wiki definitons of prostition. Still un clear what semi pro means.

My original response was to Threadbare saying he met a girl in SM Clark who was about 30. A 30 yo female in AC or anywhere in the Phils who s not smoking hot is considered middle aged by themselves not just me. She never asked money and he offered 2000 after it was all said and done was the was the quote. She didn't beg for it or even say, 'you will help me right?' sometime before having sex. Sure if he was SM Davao instead of SM Clark then assuming she's a 'prostitute' would be less likely. I don't know Threadbares age or game or relative attractiveness to 30 year old random mall Pinays. But he seems like a nice guy. If she's a pro her method of giving it all and then without any hints him giving her money at the end well that's unlikely.

The fact in getting girls to fuck in the Phils is incredibly easy compared to the entire english speaking world. If you are in reasonably good shape and behave well finding 30 year olds for a 50 to 60 year old western man is pretty easy. Me I go for younger so of course I almost always pay but I have landed free sex usually with 25+ or moms.

If you are a foriegner and find a girl in the Phils and she not your age and from the upper class then I suppose they are all Semi pros we fuck or visit as short term or long term GF's.

Same with wife of Donald Trump etc. Its a world of semi pros as opposed to the virtuous pinays Napaslapper knows intimately enough to know they would never dream of it heheh.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines. I use jeepneys as policy and only use trikes where jeepneys are not practical (eg routing). I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.[/QUOTE]I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Trikes in all of the rest of the Phils are 1/3 to 1/4 pesos of Fields and most of AC.

I usually walk to all of Fields, Perimiter, SM Clark, Macarthur screw the trike drivers. Unless you have serious mobility problems or its hot as hell or rainy the Fields to SM Clark is an easy walk. And walking is safer then trikes. Half the time I meet meet pinoys with huge scars its 'trike accident'. I use the Main Gate. Jeep alot. I even last month got adventurous and took a jeep from Metro Mall to Main Gate it got on the Nylex and cost P14 instead of P8.

Hell we could nearly all use the excercise. The main times I am forced to use the trikes is from the Dau bus terminal to my perimeter hotel because of the roller bag luggage issue or from Clark Airport. Or also whenever I barfine a girl. Once I have selected that girl I am too damned impatient to get her naked to walk. And only because my hotel is in the perimeter. If my hotel is in Fields I would rarely use the overpriced trikes.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836569]Thanks to you and Napaslapper for providing us the dictionary and Wiki definitons of prostition. Still un clear what semi pro means.[/QUOTE]Pro: A girl who makes her living from selling her body. Often. LA Cafe, G-Point, gogo bargirls, mall girls, streetwalkers -- they are there for one reason only, to make money from it every chance they get. She will never sex and then fail to insist on remuneration. Rarely shy.

Semi: Girls who sell themselves on occasion, to supplement regular income or supplement family monies. She may have enough food to eat, but she might also have an upcoming "tuition fee" of 1500 to pay, and no way to pay it, other than to find a gringo. Semi's are often more shy, and may be more picky in choosing a date. She may be selling it just a few times a year (or giving it) to a visiting foreign boyfriend, in hopes of money. She may never ask for money directly (too shy) from any customer (hence, the gent who picked up the girl in the mall may well have gotten a semi). Think about that mall girl: No self-respecting non-p4 p ('regular') pinay meets a stranger and goes directly to his hotel room to have sex (before meeting her family -- are you crazy?) She was on the take. Many dating site girls will bang you on a first date when you are in town, in hopes of you giving her some money in the morning (it may kill her to walk out the door with nothing, to afraid to ask you for the pesos that you did not give her). This girl-next-door type is semipro.

Married: This girl seems to get a lot of money, while having very little sex. [I] Its still prostitution.[/I].

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836569]I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Trikes in all of the rest of the Phils are 1/3 to 1/4 pesos of Fields and most of AC. [/QUOTE]Or 1/10 or 1/12. All trykes in Butuan are required (city ordinance) to not charge more than p8 per person.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836569]I usually walk to all of Fields, Perimiter, SM Clark, Macarthur screw the trike drivers. Unless you have serious mobility problems or its hot as hell or rainy the Fields to SM Clark is an easy walk. [/QUOTE]We are alike. Wherever I'm at in Phils, I walk every morning (and again some evenings, just for fun) roughly the distance from Phillies to the Perimeter bars, and back (unless there is a whipping rainstorm). Have gotten into a number of pickup hoops games at the outdoor sports area east of the SM and Main Jeep gate (towards Macarthur) early in the mornings. Sometimes there would be hundreds of pinoy out there playing hoops, jogging, walking, etc. One time the basketball game was 12-on-12 (I tried, unsuccessfully as an outsider, to get either team to take their shirts off and the other team to put their shirts on, as there are no uniforms); which was madness, nobody knew who was on his team. At the same time, I cannot bar hop, as I can't stand spending more than a minute or two in a bar. Isn't that odd? To go to AC to exercise and stay out of bars? Yet I still get plenty of exercise and bargirls.

Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.

Some of the stuff that gets endlessly discussed here never ceases to amaze me.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1836641]Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.

Some of the stuff that gets endlessly discussed here never ceases to amaze me.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE, as you have quoted, everywhere in the phills has some very poor people, Angeles trike drivers are not amongst them, they do very nicely indeed from high fares and all the other side line services / products they supply visiting westerners.

On every other phills island I have visited (some 30 odd) the trike drivers always charged me the correct fare, same fare as pinoys, most times a whole journey is only 10-20 pisos.

Yet when we enter angeles city and have to deal with the trike bandits there we are robbed blind, same journey in angeles cost 10x as much, same for taxis from the airport (clark).

I refuse to give angeles scum trike drivers 1 piso same for the angeles taxi cab mafia.

its not about the money its about the principle and not getting taken advantage of.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1836641]Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.
[/QUOTE]And that is the mentality that drives the trikes drivers to charge the high prices and continually try to push up the prices.

Just like Double Ladies Drinks, despite all the complains about the prices, as long as there are people who willingly pay, it will always exist.

I personally avoid trikes and DLD as much as I can. I'd think that if they followed the price matrix, or just halved their asking prices, I'd probably take the trikes more often. Thankfully most things around fields and perimeter are within walking distance. Only problem is when it rains.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1836616]Pro: A girl who makes her living from selling her body. Often. LA Cafe, G-Point, gogo bargirls, mall girls, streetwalkers -- they are there for one reason only, to make money from it every chance they get. She will never sex and then fail to insist on remuneration. Rarely shy.

Semi: Girls who sell themselves on occasion, to supplement regular income or supplement family monies. She may have enough food to eat, but she might also have an upcoming "tuition fee" of 1500 to pay, and no way to pay it, other than to find a gringo. Semi's are often more shy, and may be more picky in choosing a date. She may be selling it just a few times a year (or giving it) to a visiting foreign boyfriend, in hopes of money. She may never ask for money directly (too shy) from any customer (hence, the gent who picked up the girl in the mall may well have gotten a semi). Think about that mall girl: No self-respecting non-p4 p ('regular') pinay meets a stranger and goes directly to his hotel room to have sex (before meeting her family -- are you crazy?) She was on the take. Many dating site girls will bang you on a first date when you are in town, in hopes of you giving her some money in the morning (it may kill her to walk out the door with nothing, to afraid to ask you for the pesos that you did not give her). This girl-next-door type is semipro.

Married: This girl seems to get a lot of money, while having very little sex. [I] Its still prostitution.[/I].

Or 1/10 or 1/12. All trykes in Butuan are required (city ordinance) to not charge more than p8 per person.

We are alike. Wherever I'm at in Phils, I walk every morning (and again some evenings, just for fun) roughly the distance from Phillies to the Perimeter bars, and back (unless there is a whipping rainstorm). Have gotten into a number of pickup hoops games at the outdoor sports area east of the SM and Main Jeep gate (towards Macarthur) early in the mornings. Sometimes there would be hundreds of pinoy out there playing hoops, jogging, walking, etc. One time the basketball game was 12-on-12 (I tried, unsuccessfully as an outsider, to get either team to take their shirts off and the other team to put their shirts on, as there are no uniforms); which was madness, nobody knew who was on his team. At the same time, I cannot bar hop, as I can't stand spending more than a minute or two in a bar. Isn't that odd? To go to AC to exercise and stay out of bars? Yet I still get plenty of exercise and bargirls.[/QUOTE]Westcoast1,I do not see a difference, pro-semi pro, same same.

The semi pro as some call them has also accepted in her mind that she willl be giving up her little young pussy to some guy old enough to be her grandfather to be paid or in the hope of getting paid for it.

As I have already said, the girls that are not prostitutes would never even have that thought,or that thought would revolt them, they will work themselves, often very long hours just so they do not have to try to earn pisos by selling their pussy/hope to sell their pussy to anyone, not even the once,

the word prostitute is any girl willing to accept that she will give pussy in exchange for money/possible money,even if the guy refuses to pay her she is still a prostitute because she thought/expected she would be paid,

there is absolutely no difference in the girl who expects/gets payment only a few times of the girl who has done it many times,from that very first time both are prostitutes,same same.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1836709]Westcoast1, I do not see a difference, pro-semi pro, same same.

[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's a distinction without a difference. I'm not quite sure what gave rise to its use; words and expressions are to convey meaning. As the barriers to entry, such as training and skills, are practically non-existent for a prostitute it really isn't a profession. More a job, I think.

A better, more accurate expression for semi-pro is part-timer, a girl who does this from time to time. Perhaps semi-pro is intended to be a euphemism, but part-timer isn't too harsh or blunt an expression in and of itself.

Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1836697]GE, as you have quoted, everywhere in the phills has some very poor people, Angeles trike drivers are not amongst them, they do very nicely indeed from high fares and all the other side line services / products they supply visiting westerners.

On every other phills island I have visited (some 30 odd) the trike drivers always charged me the correct fare, same fare as pinoys, most times a whole journey is only 10-20 pisos.

Yet when we enter angeles city and have to deal with the trike bandits there we are robbed blind, same journey in angeles cost 10x as much, same for taxis from the airport (clark).

I refuse to give angeles scum trike drivers 1 piso same for the angeles taxi cab mafia.

its not about the money its about the principle and not getting taken advantage of.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1836741]Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.[/QUOTE]X man, instead of asking me to explain, why did you not, easy to see how you got to those few thousand posts without saying much useful LOL.

Any ways, if you had paid attention to the forum you would know that just a few posts back a member has already given a full explanation on jeepney use, how much it costs and how to pay.

For me, I always stay at the lewis grand, great rooms and to also have the limo service 24/7 so that one does not have to take the risk of getting robbed / pickpocketed on the angeles jeepneys, take ones life in ones hands by sitting in a tiny angeles trike while being fleeced.

[QUOTE=XMan;1836741]Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.[/QUOTE]Easy to use. You get on and get off where you want to.

Jeepneys run a certain route and return the same way. Like from checkpoint to friendship and return from friendship to checkpoint. I believe the cost is 8 pesos still. You can get on or off at any point of the route or at the station.

At the station you buy a ticket at the official ticket stand and get on the next available jeepney. The ticket collector will collect the tickets and off you go. When it is within 50 feet of your stop you yell out "para po", don't worry if the driver doesn't hear you, the passengers will chorus your para po. Squat and drag your ass off the jeepney. If you miss your stop like I did the very first time then you just get on the return jeepney and pay another 8 pesos.

If you get on between stations then you just pass your 8 pesos up to the driver.

Best to keep your major funds in your back pocket and sit on it. I keep my cell phone in my front pocket and have my hand or elbow on it to avoid pickpockets.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1836832]Jeepneys run If you get on between stations then you just pass your 8 pesos up to the driver.[/QUOTE]I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.

You guys are hilarious. Well, some of you are. One guy continues whining.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836857]I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1836727]As the barriers to entry, such as training and skills, are practically non-existent for a prostitute it really isn't a profession. More a job, I think. SNIP [/QUOTE]Thanks. Completely missed that angle. I was not thinking of it in terms of professionalism at all. Was thinking of it more from the viewpoint of the ladies (and certain gents). Ladies in LA Cafe, Atlantis, and High Heels understand they are puta (pro's, full-timers, call it what you want). They even on occasion talk about providing sex acts as their job. "Of course I sex you no condom. Its my job" (exact quote in Body Shop). "You don't f*ck my ass. Or you give 1000 more for that" (another exact quote recently in a Burgos bar). There is no confusing these women as sex providers for money.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1836727]A better, more accurate expression for semi-pro is part-timer, a girl who does this from time to time. Perhaps semi-pro is intended to be a euphemism, but part-timer isn't too harsh or blunt an expression in and of itself. [/QUOTE]Part-timer might be a more accurate description than semi-pro. These girls may (or may not) think of themselves as prostitutes (whether they are or they are not is another matter).

In my mind, there is a clear distinction between these two types of women. A rose is a rose. For the full-timers mentioned from the quotes above, you wouldn't hesitate (the first time you met her) to say something like: Can you swallow for an extra 500? OTOH, imagine a DIA girl you meet for the first time in CDO. She might have been fully willing to sleep with you the first time you met her, and hoping you would put 1000 pesos in her purse in the morning. However once those words about swallowing for 500 leave your mouth, you've got 2 seconds to get your face out of the way of her swinging hand. She doesn't consider herself puta, even though you are the third foreigner she's slept with (for money) in the last year. Of course, by definition, she's a prostitute. But she might not see it that way (and BTW, some gents don't see it that way either).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836857]I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.[/QUOTE]You might have to wait a week for the change. Not that someone would pocket your money on the way to the driver. If I remembered right the driver pays 400 pesos a day for jeepney rental plus fuel cost and possibly some kind of payment to the stations. He is lucky if he gets 4 round trips a day with 14 passengers out of the chute each time. Not a whole lot of pesos there.

I am kind of surprised you would be carrying a 1 k note! Jk.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1836641]Apropos of the "trike" discussion............[/QUOTE]The problem with trike drivers in Angeles is that there are too many of them. Although they get more per ride than anywhere else in the PI, they are not as busy. This probably causes them to be cutthroat. If you visit the hinterlands, trike drivers are different. A ride in Dumaguete is about 20 pesos. The issue with the AC trike drivers is not the extra pesos that they are shaking you down for but rather the unrelenting nickle and dimeing and where are you going to draw the line. Sometimes I feel like the people in the PI want me to unload my money as quickly as possible upon arrival and don't come back until I have some more. But as for me, I ride the Jeep whenever possible just to avoid the aggravation with the trike drivers. Sometimes I take a jeep even with a girl that I am taking back to my hotel. If the trike driver changes the terms after the ride is over, I just give him what was first agreed on and walk away. Finally, you have to have some sympathy and understanding for these guys; what a way to earn a living. Many sleep in their trikes rain or shine. Not much future or upward mobility in that job.

[QUOTE=XMan;1836923]Orchid Inn - before and after.[/QUOTE]I quite liked the earlier "tree through the roof" version, but I guess that's progress.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1837011]I quite liked the earlier "tree through the roof" version, but I guess that's progress.[/QUOTE]Actually, even the "tree through the roof version" shows a type of Philippine "progress. " Throughout Metro Manila and other quickly urbanizing settings you see where they have paved a sidewalk or courtyard right up to the trunk of some tree that had the misfortune to have grown there. Then, since no water can get through to the tree's roots, the tree dies a slow death, one major branch at a time. Then they cut off the major branches a little above where they branch off from the main trunk. When the tree falls or can be pushed over easily, progress is complete. This appears to be the approach that was taken with this unfortunate tree.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836857]I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.[/QUOTE]And then you get 992 one-peso-coins as change? LOL.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1836968] The issue with the AC trike drivers is not the extra pesos that they are shaking you down for but rather the unrelenting nickle and dimeing and where are you going to draw the line. [/QUOTE]Not just the trike drivers who try to nickel and dime you, but just about everyone you deal with in the Phils. And that includes the government.

[QUOTE]Sometimes I feel like the people in the PI want me to unload my money as quickly as possible upon arrival and don't come back until I have some more. [/QUOTE]That about sums it up! But I still love it here. After all: "It's More Fun In The Philippines"!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1837089]And then you get 992 one-peso-coins as change? LOL.[/QUOTE]Well a few things to note and lets see if anyone agrees.

I have never been squeezed by a Jeep driver, the price is fixed. AC and bumfuck Visayas or Mindanao its sort of a national law.

I think the pick pocket thing is crazily overated when it comes to us foriegners unless you are very clumsy. Here is why. 99% of the jeeps I ever piled into I was by far the largest person in there. And I'm only 5'10" and 175 pounds 80 kilos right? I keep Nothing in my back pocket as I would guess most seasoned third world travelers observe as well. Once you are in that jeep often you are packed in like sardines. Nobody could squeeze anything out of your body without you noticing.

The only way you can get picked is getting in and out. The severe crouch of getting in and out leaves only your back pockets exposed.

Any world traveler who keep anything of value in his back pocket is crazy. Jeep street etc. I guess if your trousers are so tight that it would take a crow bar to pry your wallet out of your ass pocket then go for it. I'm too old to wear the ball crushing style.

If you are a much bigger than me guy and / or not younger or more agile I would avoid the jeep experience. Its a f-ing tight fit designed for a relatively small or young populace.

Once you get inside a jeep its the best of the Phils culture honestly. Everyone moves around to let everyone fit in. You just hand your money as long as your arm extends and the change comes back its never a haggle and the fellow passengers pass it on its natural all learn from birth is like breathing air. Just tell the driver where you want to go and he will tell you if he goes by there. The jeep is a unique Phils experience and so local that even in a place like AC its clean. You just bang on the ceiling wherever you want to get off or say hey boss right here and he hits the brakes. The pinoy jeep drivers are the hardest working most honest guys in the entire country especially in AC.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1837366]Well a few things to note and lets see if anyone agrees.

I have never been squeezed by a Jeep driver, the price is fixed. AC and bumfuck Visayas or Mindanao its sort of a national law.

I think the pick pocket thing is crazily overated when it comes to us foriegners unless you are very clumsy. Here is why. 99% of the jeeps I ever piled into I was by far the largest person in there. And I'm only 5'10" and 175 pounds 80 kilos right? I keep Nothing in my back pocket as I would guess most seasoned third world travelers observe as well. Once you are in that jeep often you are packed in like sardines. Nobody could squeeze anything out of your body without you noticing.

The only way you can get picked is getting in and out. The severe crouch of getting in and out leaves only your back pockets exposed.

Any world traveler who keep anything of value in his back pocket is crazy. Jeep street etc. I guess if your trousers are so tight that it would take a crow bar to pry your wallet out of your ass pocket then go for it. I'm too old to wear the ball crushing style.

If you are a much bigger than me guy and / or not younger or more agile I would avoid the jeep experience. Its a f-ing tight fit designed for a relatively small or young populace.

Once you get inside a jeep its the best of the Phils culture honestly. Everyone moves around to let everyone fit in. You just hand your money as long as your arm extends and the change comes back its never a haggle and the fellow passengers pass it on its natural all learn from birth is like breathing air. Just tell the driver where you want to go and he will tell you if he goes by there. The jeep is a unique Phils experience and so local that even in a place like AC its clean. You just bang on the ceiling wherever you want to get off or say hey boss right here and he hits the brakes. The pinoy jeep drivers are the hardest working most honest guys in the entire country especially in AC.[/QUOTE]This whole discussion is an eye opener for me, even after 11 years here, during which time I've never ridden on a public jeepney. It is however, an experience I would prefer to have vicariously. And I leave it to you younger, more agile and adventurous guys to keep writing about it. I'm a strong advocate of real mass transit, but unless and until this country actually has any, I will stick to Uber and other private cars.

GE.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1837366]I think the pick pocket thing is crazily overated when it comes to us foriegners unless you are very clumsy. Here is why. 99% of the jeeps I ever piled into I was by far the largest person in there. And I'm only 5'10" and 175 pounds 80 kilos right? I keep Nothing in my back pocket as I would guess most seasoned third world travelers observe as well. Once you are in that jeep often you are packed in like sardines. Nobody could squeeze anything out of your body without you noticing.[/QUOTE]I have used jeepneys on many occasions and neither I nor anyone I know well have been pick pocketed in a jeepney. The reason is simple. People who ride jeepneys are not high rollers. So a much more lucrative target is somebody who is exiting a Western Union or Moneygram facility. "Holdappers," as Filipinos call them, are more likely to work in pairs and figure out a way to trap and strongarm somebody who has just exited such a business, such as when they are walking toward a jeepney stop. There are of course purse snatchers, including those riding as passengers on loud under-powered motorcycles, and those who snatch jewelry and the like from unsuspecting passersby. But these are easier to accomplish in a mall or busy area where the getaway is easier than it is from a jeepney. I have been told about thieves who carry knifes and slit packs and purses in jeepneys to get at valuables. But unlike Pantot's description of the barriers to getting at a rear pocket, these things are more vulnerable because they are out in the open. But I have only heard of these events in second hand accounts.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1837380]I have used jeepneys on many occasions and neither I nor anyone I know well have been pick pocketed in a jeepney.[/QUOTE]Was picked once only, walking on Fields in AC, but an old lady. Have taken, and continue to take, all forms of transport. You know, in many provincial cities, there are simply no taxis. One spends a week in Surigao and you jeep / tryke several times a day. If you are worried about getting picked, make sure you divide your money and keep several sources on you (some in this pocket, some in that pocket, some in a sock). A mere p50 remaining on your body will get you to your hotel no matter what city you are in. Try cargo pants or those that have zippers on the pockets (very hard to open quietly on a vehicle that rocks to and fro).

OTOH there are guys in Manila / Cebu who will rob an entire jeep at knifepoint as it sits stopped in traffic.

Went to church in downtown AC. On the way back the guy next to me was squirming. While he distracted me, the guy one over pulled out my wallet. Maybe I didn't pray hard enough.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1837380]I have used jeepneys on many occasions and neither I nor anyone I know well have been pick pocketed in a jeepney. The reason is simple. People who ride jeepneys are not high rollers. So a much more lucrative target is somebody who is exiting a Western Union or Moneygram facility. "Holdappers," as Filipinos call them, are more likely to work in pairs and figure out a way to trap and strongarm somebody who has just exited such a business, such as when they are walking toward a jeepney stop. There are of course purse snatchers, including those riding as passengers on loud under-powered motorcycles, and those who snatch jewelry and the like from unsuspecting passersby. But these are easier to accomplish in a mall or busy area where the getaway is easier than it is from a jeepney. I have been told about thieves who carry knifes and slit packs and purses in jeepneys to get at valuables. But unlike Pantot's description of the barriers to getting at a rear pocket, these things are more vulnerable because they are out in the open. But I have only heard of these events in second hand accounts.[/QUOTE]

I liked it too The security guy liked it too. He says it's a lot hotter now. No shade.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1837011]I quite liked the earlier "tree through the roof" version, but I guess that's progress.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1837419]Try cargo pants or those that have zippers on the pockets (very hard to open quietly on a vehicle that rocks to and fro)[/QUOTE]Yeah, those are OK, but button the flaps on the cargo pants. A mate's wallet was nicked from his leg pocket by a street seller or accomplice right by Amazonia in Manila. The MO is to get close and distract you with flowers, viagra, whatever. Don't fool yourself that there's safety in numbers; there were four of us close together when the pickpocket struck. The most brazen are the street kids who swarm in groups.

Part 1 here [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1835784&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1835784.

Fields vs Perimeter:

The two biggest differences between Fields and Perimeter are 1. Price and 2. Open and close times. Fields BFs tend to be 2500-3000 while Perimeter ranges from 1500-1800 as far as I can tell. There are a few bars in between Walking Street and where the Perimeter bars sort of formally start, like Eruptions. I think the further you move away from Fields the cheaper it is generally. As far as looks go, the girls generally are no worse looking in Perimeter. You'll also find 18 year olds there. However, the rare stunners I've seen were all spotted at Fields, especially at the "show bars", which are the ones with a big stage. Examples of these show bars are Atlantis, Carnival and Dollhouse, although I didn't see any standout girls when I visited Atlantis. The hottest girl I laid was a door girl from Carnival, so I recommend giving that one a peek inside. The show bars' BFs are all 3000. Regarding open and close times, the Perimeter bars open earlier, like 2-3 pm and close earlier as well, some at 12, some earlier. The Fields bars are open until about 3 am.

Raymond Street ST bars:

There is a small collection of 2 or 3 small bars at the end of Raymond Street near Orchid Inn. I walked by once in the afternoon and there were maybe 8 girls outside who will wave at you to come by. The selection is clearly very limited and I saw just one girl who's not fat or ugly whom I took for 800 p. Service is about as expected, one pop, not much chatting, very much a business transaction. Worth a shot if you just need something very quick. There's no buying LDs or anything like that. You pay and go to your hotel.

Freelancers:

For me, the freelancers were the most interesting part of the trip because of the variety of results I got. Around AC I believe you can find FLs in many places as described by others on the forum, but are most concentrated around Fields walking around and in the clubs like Skytrax and High Society. I've heard many of them are off-duty bar girls, but among the FLs I've taken, none of them fit that profile. Some of them were ex-bar-girls, some just seemed like they needed extra money and never formally worked in the industry. Regarding the clubs, Skytrax and HiSo, I prefer the latter because it's bigger, has a decent sized dance floor, and I feel that the male-to-female ratio is lower at HiSo. I dropped by Skytrax twice and it was kind of a sausage fest both times and so didn't stay. They also get started around 11 pm and are quiet earlier. HiSo seems to have a 200 p cover charge during weekends but it's free to enter during the week. I do feel that the freelancers are on average better looking than the bargirls, probably because without a stage, they have to compete for customer's attention for the 2 seconds they're looking at their direction. I didn't see many fat or ugly looking ones during my trips to High Society.

Since it's difficult to generalize the FL experience it's better to actually talk about them to give people an idea of what that's like.

1. First time in HiSo and I wasn't sure whether I had to do any filtering to see if the girls are working or not. I just decided to go for it an talked to a very cute girl who's with a friend and asked her to dance. She agreed and we had a good time on the dance floor. At this point I wasn't quite sure whether she was a working girl, partly because of how good looking she was, but a friend of mine who has been living in AC for several years just happened to come by. I asked him if she was a working girl, he said yes, which got me over this newbie hump of worrying whether she'd go home with me. However she was still having a lot of fun in HiSo, and so was I, but around 2 am I asked if she wants to go back, and she wasn't ready yet. More doubts now in my mind about getting laid tonight, but she wasn't putting any pressure on me to buy drinks for her or anything so I just went along with it. Around 4 am I asked her again and she said OK. We had a really good sex and a few hours later (7 am) she had to leave. She only asked for transportation money but I gave her 2500 anyway. As a HiSo newbie, the uncertainty of whether I'd get her to go home with me was part of what made this exciting, even though later successes taught me that my chances were probably pretty good to begin with. The other part was that the FLs actually seem to be having fun in the club so it felt less like a business transaction.

2. I was going to HiSo one night and around where Oppa Restaurant is, a girl who was sitting next to the road with a couple of others waved at me to come by. She was actively soliciting herself so no doubts about what'll happen afterwards. She was slim and kind of cute, so we negotiated for 1500. Her friend, who as kind of chubby, asked if I wanted a 3-some and I declined. But she came along anyways. I made the mistake this time of not locking up my stuff when I was showering, but nothing bad happened this time (it will be bad on a separate occasion). They were fortunately two honest girls who were just trying to make some money and could have easily stolen from me. I had a good ST experience with the one girl and she left afterwards. Tipped her 500.

3. I met the girl from #2 again another night I was going to HiSo but declined to take her this time. Instead I got in the club, and after a while another girl was trying to get my attention. I ignored her a few times, but eventually since I didn't find any other suitable candidate, I went back to her. It turns out this is the one who stole money from me while I showered. You can refer to one of my earlier posts for this report.

4. Same night as #3 since I didn't want to waste that night, I went back to HiSo again. I didn't see the girl from #2 this trip back but as soon as I got in the club, I looked around and a decent looking girl was playing with her phone near the back of the club. Being pretty sure she was working, I asked her straightforwardly whether she wants to go back, and she said yes. Not much effort involved this time and neither did I want to spend much effort since it's 4 am. However I should have negotiated the price before we left as she wanted 3000 for ST. We eventually settled on 2500 after stalemating for about 15 minutes. Two lessons learned that night: negotiate with FLs beforehand and keep your belongings safe.

5. Walking to HiSo again, a girl walking the opposite direction stopped me and solicited her services. I declined, started walking away when the same girl from #2 saw me and waved at me again. I went to talk to her but excused myself anyway. Looking for fresh meat that day. In HiSo, I was being a little picky and observed the dance floor for like 30 minutes when I saw a good looking slim girl. I went down there and asked her to dance. Seeing that she's pretty responsive and doesn't mind me grinding her, after a while I proposed she leave with me for 1500, which she accepted. Turns out she used to be a spotlight girl at Salambo. Good ST experience in bed and tipped her 500.

6. My final experience at HiSo wasn't much to talk about. I basically walked in there at 12 and after 4 hours of walking in and out of the club I found nothing worth pursuing. This was near the end of my trip so I was being way too picky probably. One girl looked good from a distance but up close was less than expected. Another one I danced with but was kind of cold. I excused myself but she followed me for a bit until she realized I wasn't interested. Another one I simply got rejected by. Went home empty handed that night, but the point is that if a person wasn't picky, High Society offers plenty of interesting options.

Conclusions:

I was satisfied by my first experience in AC. By the end of 2 weeks it did get a little monotonous, so I think maybe 10 days would have been better. I believe if you're kind of introverted like I am, you may find the times between the hunt to be pretty boring since you have very little to talk about or do with the girl. For people like me, finding a monger buddy can be a really great since you can hang out and actually discuss things you wouldn't talk about outside of this city. I was fortunate to meet a fellow ISGer during my trip who made my 2 weeks more interesting. In fact if you look at the Koreans coming to AC, they're almost always in groups because most of them have a hard time communicating with the girls in English. I seriously have seen like two or three lone wolf Koreans out of the hundreds walking around. However if you like the dating experience, including spending money on the girl for non-sexual experiences, I think AC can be an easy place to get that. Compared with what I'm used to in China, the experiences are more varied and things are less organized here. The girls definitely get closer to you at a personal level. I feel how much you enjoy AC depends so much on how active you are in looking for what you want and how patient you are, something I honestly wasn't used to. I'll be back for sure but not clear when that would be.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1837419]OTOH there are guys in Manila / Cebu who will rob an entire jeep at knifepoint as it sits stopped in traffic.[/QUOTE]I recall such an incident from a few years ago somewhere on the east side of Metro Manila, maybe Pasig City. Two guys with knifes worked their way through the jeepney lifting watches, wallets, and jewelry--until they got to a guy who was an off-duty pulis. He pulled out his service pistol and killed one of them on the spot. The other holdapper took off running, others on the jeepney caught him and nearly beat him to death before other pulis arrived.

[QUOTE=XMan;1837463]Went to church in downtown AC. On the way back the guy next to me was squirming. While he distracted me, the guy one over pulled out my wallet. Maybe I didn't pray hard enough.[/QUOTE]Moral of the story: don't go to church. What you got was karma for the hypocrisy of showing up in church after all your sinful behavior.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1837380]But unlike Pantot's description of the barriers to getting at a rear pocket, these things are more vulnerable because they are out in the open. But I have only heard of these events in second hand accounts.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I was unclear about barriers to a rear pocket. The rear pocket is the one most vulnerable when entering or leaving a jeep as it is exposed up in the air I tried to say that but I guess my language was clumsy. The front pockets are entirely inaccessble in the severe crouch position entering and exiting the jeep as well as sitting with our long legs. I was blessed with a severe sciatic nerve ass issue in my late 20's where anything in my rear ass pockets beyond a slip of paper cause me severe agony.

The main pocket vulnerable is the right leg open holster pocket of the old dad jeans and shorts of which I have too many I guess. For the past 15 years it has been the location of my cellfone in my hopelessly out of date baggy jeans / shorts style.

I had my first pickpocket issue ever after many trip all over and it was a little beggar kid who bugged me for half a block around Margarita Station and he grabbed my Samsung S3 Mini Globe fone from my holster jean pocket and bolted backwards. Luckily a intrepid young lady of about 22 ish intercepted him 10 feet behind me and snatched it back with her equally quick lightning reflexes and handed it to me and called me sir in one of those incredible acts of kindness you get which restores your faith in humanity. I thanked her and she seemed upset that the little kid robbed a tourist. She was more angry than me.

But Jeeps everywhere are the best of the Phils acting in a communal nature they welcome the obvious foriegners and apprecitate them rubbing elbows and every other part of your lateral anatomy literally with the common people. Someone will try to help you find wherever you are going and they will love to show their english skills and local knowledge to get you where you want to go. Thats the one and maybe only 1 part of AC honestly that is just like the provinces and its why I really appreciate it. Its just the regular simple people crammed into a common space and working together to get from eaches particular point A to point be. I have taken that Main Gate terminal towards Friendship Jeep many times day or night and if any jeep route in AC would be grounds for trouble that would be it but in my experience no.

Keep in mind I am not commenting on the Metro Manila jeep system I don't have experince nor do I wish too. Just AC and every province I have ever been to. Its always "sir you need to get out here" by some other passenger usually a middle aged lady.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1837532]Part 1 here [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1835784&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1835784.

Fields vs Perimeter:

The two biggest differences between Fields and Perimeter are 1. Price and 2. Open and close times. Fields BFs tend to be 2500-3000 while Perimeter ranges from 1500-1800 as far as I can tell. There are a few bars in between Walking Street and where the Perimeter bars sort of formally start, like Eruptions. I think the further you move away from Fields the cheaper it is generally. As far as looks go, the girls generally are no worse looking in Perimeter. You'll also find 18 year olds there. However, the rare stunners I've seen were all spotted at Fields, especially at the "show bars", which are the ones with a big stage. Examples of these show bars are Atlantis, Carnival and Dollhouse, although I didn't see any standout girls when I visited Atlantis. The hottest girl I laid was a door girl from Carnival, so I recommend giving that one a peek inside. The show bars' BFs are all 3000. Regarding open and close times, the Perimeter bars open earlier, like 2-3 pm and close earlier as well, some at 12, some earlier. The Fields bars are open until about 3 am.

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Conclusions:

I was satisfied by my first experience in AC. By the end of 2 weeks it did get a little monotonous, so I think maybe 10 days would have been better. I believe if you're kind of introverted like I am, you may find the times between the hunt to be pretty boring since you have very little to talk about or do with the girl. For people like me, finding a monger buddy can be a really great since you can hang out and actually discuss things you wouldn't talk about outside of this city. I was fortunate to meet a fellow ISGer during my trip who made my 2 weeks more interesting. In fact if you look at the Koreans coming to AC, they're almost always in groups because most of them have a hard time communicating with the girls in English. I seriously have seen like two or three lone wolf Koreans out of the hundreds walking around. However if you like the dating experience, including spending money on the girl for non-sexual experiences, I think AC can be an easy place to get that. Compared with what I'm used to in China, the experiences are more varied and things are less organized here. The girls definitely get closer to you at a personal level. I feel how much you enjoy AC depends so much on how active you are in looking for what you want and how patient you are, something I honestly wasn't used to. I'll be back for sure but not clear when that would be.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the summary about AC.

Travel is so time consuming in the PI, that on my last trip, I decided to skip it. I don't regret it, but I do have this nagging dissatisfaction that I didn't check it out. Something seems wrong about visiting the PI and not checking out AC.

Now that Zika is spreading through much of the world, I am considering a return trip. Maybe combining AC with Palawan / El Nido and Sinulog next year. Hmmmmm.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1837532]Part 1 here [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1835784&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1835784.

6. My final experience at HiSo wasn't much to talk about. I basically walked in there at 12 and after 4 hours of walking in and out of the club I found nothing worth pursuing. This was near the end of my trip so I was being way too picky probably. One girl looked good from a distance but up close was less than expected. Another one I danced with but was kind of cold. I excused myself but she followed me for a bit until she realized I wasn't interested. Another one I simply got rejected by. Went home empty handed that night, but the point is that if a person wasn't picky, High Society offers plenty of interesting options.

Conclusions:

I was satisfied by my first experience in AC. By the end of 2 weeks it did get a little monotonous, so I think maybe 10 days would have been better. [/QUOTE]Good summarisation of your experience Tass.

I am an introvert myself and would agree that things start to get monotonous post the 7th day mark unless you have a wingman or a girl whom you want to spend time with holed up in the Hotel room (Seriously doubt that) or travel around somewhere.

I visited Hi-So during my first trip. Few nights alone and few with the girl I had bar fined. On the nights alone I didn't find a single girl I wanted to take back. Most of them were hard core or appeared so and didn't incite any interest for me. I guess maybe I am also picky and don't mind paying top dollar for the top girl. In my second visit I skipped Hiso completely and didn't feel the need to go in there. Too many good options in bars. Just to mention I have never skipped visiting discos on any night in any of my visits in Pattaya.

However the fun within the 7 day window remains unbeatable cost and qualitywise in AC and is surely worth repeat visits. People will have different opinions and I respect that but to decide VFM / T is upto an individual. AC is VFM / T for me.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830287] If you can comprehend English, I am saying you (only you) are giving some incorrect facts.

private pm sent to you greenbud.maybe now you will stop your constant whining/flaming, baseless accusations.

sorry to all the other board members for having to put up with this crap. [/QUOTE]There are different opinions. But that bars are empty and Ac dead is not stating an opinion. It is incorrect and it is a lie.

You are reminding me of M. McCobb again. Which make me speculate you have an agenda of your own. Or of your organization.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1830353]Here are my questions:

1. Is there a way to avoid double LDs.

2. Is is rude to not tip the waitresses?

3. Should I just be generally less accommodating to all the working girls on Fields. Like making sure the girl and I have chemistry before paying for her LD? The upfront costs just seems like a waste.

Thanks![/QUOTE]1. Yes, say you want to buy a single. (You can also ask her if she goes out before you buy drinks at all.).

2. What is "rude"? It is to you what you want to tip. They expect tips, BUT you decide. A small tip of 10 p is ok.

3. Not sure what you mean. But the general advice is to only buy drinks and take out if she seems friendly towards YOU.

Remember that YOU are the customer, YOU have the money, YOU are the king. And don't tip if you are not satiesfied, that gives the impression that you are easily fooled.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1830552]Thanks for the answer Dg.

One other thing I wonder about is how you guys have been able to I guess make LT even worthwhile. I find the conversations with the girls thus far to be pretty unexciting and we get bored of each other quickly. Their limited English certainly makes any deeper subjects off-limits. 2 out of the 3 girls I've been with wanted to go back to the bar after the first round anyway, possibly because I was BF'ing those two at 7-8 pm. Are you more experienced guys getting LT frequently and how are you actually spend your time together so you don't bore the fuck out of each other?[/QUOTE]
Yes, the amount of runners have increased. For me it has been 1 of 3 runners for the last three months. Probably less compared to you because I try to screen them out about before buying SLD as well as during the "interview".

To decrease the number even further you can ask before you BF: "How long time do you stay?" You can even ask before you even buy her the SLD: Then just ask in a more general manner, like: "Do you go ut with customer? Do you go longtime?" This way you can get the rejections after buying drinks down to 0. Runners maybe down to 1 of 5 or lower.

Regarding talking: Remember that fucking is the main thing here, and that is what we have in common with the girls. Still, what I like abut AC is the Long Time-option , not only for a second round, but for the hugging and sleeping together. And you can talk about simple things. Why do you want to talk Einstein? Try to make her learn you some Tagalog phrases.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1830589]Just returned from Subic Bay and Angeles City after spending a week there. Encountered some girls on their period like Tass but was informed after buying them a lady drink and moved on. Your comment about the waitress's being your friend is excellent advice that I employed during my stay. They can sort out which ones have kids, can't do LT, etc. Without having to buy Lady drinks and finding out on your own. There are so many girls available you really need some help sorting them out when a waitress can narrow it down for you. And yes the waitress's should be tipped for their assistance when taken. Good advice.[/QUOTE]True, waitresses can be helpful, so best to make them your friends. What they know about the girls vary a lot though, mamasans know more.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1832186]With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.[/QUOTE]Then why do you write on this board if you don't like the place.

Stop bothering us!

[QUOTE=Tasss;1832888]So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.

I ended up reporting the details to the police station. Not sure what they can do about it but I felt it had to be done. The doorman was extra helpful throughout this so I tipped him 50.

Anyways it was about 4 am at that time and pretty much Fields has shutdown. I didn't want to waste the night, so the only option was something like Hi So again or Skytraxx maybe. So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500. She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave. I was about to call the front desk on her if she didn't but I figured 10 USD extra isn't worth bothering the front desk twice in one day. By the way if my prices are off, let me know and I can adjust my expectations. And also if I should negotiate prices prior to leaving HiSo, let me know that as well because most people are reporting just tipping when she leaves.

I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds) and I thought that was relatively expensive already. But much less than today's tab. Overall today's damage was a bit over 8 k or 160-ish USD. Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.

Stay cautious everyone.[/QUOTE]1. Keep all money in a safe place.

2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838699]Then why do you write on this board if you don't like the place.

Stop bothering us![/QUOTE]Bothering us?, who is us?, oh you mean the very few angeles bar owners like yourself who only want to hear what suits your pocket.

Boards like this one are here to exchange information between mongers/visitors on any given destination, members want honest / unbiased opinions,good and bad, or what they saw/experienced on their last visits,

I am sorry that our honest posts/ trip reports do not sit well with you,i wonder why.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838708]1. Keep all money in a safe place.

2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Why would you advise visitors to not go to the angeles discos when the discos have far better looking, slimmer girls at half the cost of angeles bars.

This has been reported by many in their trip reports lately and I too found it to be 100% true.

Yes not good news for the angeles bar owners but very good news for the visiting monger who finds what he wants and saves lots of pisos too.

For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used.

You are sitting on a jeepney,3 or 4 pick pockets get on and sit close to you, usually 1 on each side and opposite, don't forget jeepneys are small and are not built for westerners so sitting close is normal.

While the jeepney is moving the pick pockets opposite to you drops a handful of small coins on the floor, you being the gentleman lean down to help pick them up, its now while your mind is occupied that the pickpockets sitting next to you will strike.

Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.

My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838708]2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]What is so interesting about a bar? A lot of guys here would even say that when they go into the bars most of the girls seem bored. Women in a disco have a party attitude. I would advise that since you went all the way to AC, why not check out everything and decide for yourself what works best for you.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838708]

the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I'd love to know what you think is "interesting" about the bars. To me they seem like desperately drab, unengaging places with mostly fairly unattractive girls gyratjng lethargically to ear-shattering music that precludes most conversation. For the most part, the drink hustling is becoming increasingly annoying, and the entire Walking Street is a fourth world imitation of its analog in Pattaya.

Many guys I know don't bother at all with the bars and use previous contacts established in Angeles to meet new contacts, thereby avoiding bar fines and the general seediness of the street, as well as circumventing the viagra sellers, the peanut vendors and other assorted annoyances. Another alternative is the disco, which at least allows one to avoid lady drinks and bar fines. I'd advise newbies to give the bars a once over and then to use one of the alternative venues.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743]Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.[/QUOTE]This is an old trick used in inner cities against men who carry wallets in their back pockets. You cut the bottom of the pocket and the wallet eventually falls out while the guy is walking. If you carry only bills tucked down in your front pocket then you will not have this problem. I have friends that also walk the streets overseas with full wallets and I can not understand why.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1838802]I'd love to know what you think is "interesting" about the bars. To me they seem like desperately drab, unengaging places with mostly fairly unattractive girls gyratjng lethargically to ear-shattering music that precludes most conversation. For the most part, the drink hustling is becoming increasingly annoying, and the entire Walking Street is a fourth world imitation of its analog in Pattaya.

Many guys I know don't bother at all with the bars and use previous contacts established in Angeles to meet new contacts, thereby avoiding bar fines and the general seediness of the street, as well as circumventing the viagra sellers, the peanut vendors and other assorted annoyances. Another alternative is the disco, which at least allows one to avoid lady drinks and bar fines. I'd advise newbies to give the bars a once over and then to use one of the alternative venues.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE, have to fully agree with everything you said here.

The only thing I would add is for newbies to be very careful of freelance girls in the discos / online who look young.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743]For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used.

You are sitting on a jeepney,3 or 4 pick pockets get on and sit close to you, usually 1 on each side and opposite, don't forget jeepneys are small and are not built for westerners so sitting close is normal.

While the jeepney is moving the pick pockets opposite to you drops a handful of small coins on the floor, you being the gentleman lean down to help pick them up, its now while your mind is occupied that the pickpockets sitting next to you will strike.

Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.

My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL.[/QUOTE]This is an absolutely absurd and a paranoid scenario. What Angeles jeep route did this occur in? Have you actually been in a Jeep in AC? The people are stuffed in like sardines as I said. Unless you weigh about 100 pounds you can't lean over and pick up coins off a jeep floor and expose your ass. This tiny foriegner would have to be drunk out of his mind to allow this while some one carves his back pocket with a razor?

How tall was 'your friend'? 5 flat and 80 pounds? Thats the only way his ass could have been exposed in a jeep. Being a gentleman we help the pinays with heavy lifting and reaching things up high not picking up coins. When the carved out his wallet did they also pull the hayseeds out?

Anyone who wears his wallet in his back pocket stuffed with cash in a third world country deserves to have his pocket picked. The chance of it happening in the open street is 1000 x greater than the tiny confines of any Phils jeep.

Think how absurd your wacky scenario sounds in a practical sense of keeping your money tucked into your moneybelt on night on the town in AC? So you reach for your money inside your underpants everytime you want to pay your bartab? Just keep the night banknotes in your front pants pocket. Moneybelts are great for intercity or international travel not barhopping in a jeep for a night.

Why would anyone even carry a wallet on a night on the town in a third world country? Who carries their money in their back pocket in the 21st century? No need for elaborate schemes and moneybelts. If you have been to AC you will know that a night on the town is mostly all cash transaction. When you leave the hotel your wallet and valuables should be in the hotel safe in your room or the front desk safe if you know the place.

Simply keep your cash and cellfone and maybe one CC and a photocopy of your passport in your FRONT pockets. All mens attire have this nifty feature and will make it impervious to any pickpocket who does not hit you a full on frontal assault in the street. The FRONT pocket is IMPOSSIBLE to reach on a man in a jeep in any scenario. You are in a fetal crouch position the entire time unless you are a child or a circus midget.

Napa your advice on Angeles City is pretty off base usually for anyone who actually enjoys the place. Ok we get it you don't like the place. The fact that you spent many nights with your dick in your hand in AC says alot more about you than AC itself. Angeles is what it always was. The bars are staffed with a representative proportion of a crossection of young poor brown pinays from the lower classes from all throughout the archepelago. Its not a place to find a girl that looks like a star of a GMA soap opera. There are no university graduates with which to discuss the meaning of mans existense in the galaxy.

Its the simplest quickest cheapest place on earth to find a cute simple little brown girl to spend the night with you and treat you like she's your teenage GF even though you are twice her age. If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. If you don't fit this description then your advice is useless for those of us who enjoy the place. Its for shallow older men who want young girls who are from the typical pure pinay look who speak decent enough english as most all of them do.

You come off as a guy in a beer drinkers forum who doesn't drink beer. Ok we get it, you are FORCED to be in AC for whatever reason. You seem to go out of your way to post negatively about the place from every angle possible.

The story of getting your money carved out in an Angeles jeep takes the cake hats off to you 'common'? Give us a break. This is a tall tale for the ages and patently absurd to anyone who has take one trip in a jeep. Stop trying so hard to be negative about the place.

Pantot, have to fully disagree with you yet again.

Who is not able to bend down while sitting in a jeepney, maybe you or a guy who is 150-200 kg and can't bend down anywhere in life but certainly not me (95KG and average height) or many foreigners I have seen in jeepneys.

The jeepney coins trick has been reported by many on many angeles boards over the years so not sure why you are so unbeleiving.

Money is normally taken from guys rear or side leg pockets, yes would be hard to take money out of front pockets while a guy was sitting down of course.

As for my money belt, I am sorry you take such offence, it works well for me and is a good tip to pass on IMHO,they are after all sold in most phills/thai department stores so i am sure i am not the only one using them,they are designed especially thin to be worn under clothing for protection,

When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.

As far as my opinions, they are my opinions, what I experience on my many angeles visits,things i see with my own eyes,

If you do not agree with my posts for your personal reasons (monetary, desperate bar owner, rose coloured glasses member or you have never visited angeles then please use the ignore button after all its there for a reason.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1838856]

Anyone who wears his wallet in his back pocket stuffed with cash in a third world country deserves to have his pocket picked. The chance of it happening in the open street is 1000 x greater than the tiny confines of any Phils jeep.

Think how absurd your wacky scenario sounds in a practical sense of keeping your money tucked into your moneybelt on night on the town in AC? So you reach for your money inside your underpants everytime you want to pay your bartab? Just keep the night banknotes in your front pants pocket.

Why would anyone even carry a wallet on a night on the town in a third world country? Who carries their money in their back pocket in the 21st century? No need for elaborate schemes and moneybelts. If you have been to AC you will know that a night on the town is mostly all cash transaction. When you leave the hotel your wallet and valuables should be in the hotel safe in your room or the front desk safe if you know the place.

Simply keep your cash and cellfone and maybe one CC and a photocopy of your passport in your FRONT pockets. [/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more on this. I carry what I need for a day or night's entertainment in my front right jean pocket. I carry my cell phone in my left front pocket. Never had a problem. Moneybelts are counterproductive and a pain in the side. They really mark you as a newbie and a target if you open it in public. I have a "travel" belt made by Patagonia that has a hidden zipper running down the inside length of the belt where I can stash up to $1200 in 100 dollar bills. The belt looks and operates exactly like a regular belt so no one knows I am carrying. Perhaps I should not be giving this secret away. Ha Ha. I never take money from it unless I am alone. Again, I keep all my nightly spending money and a CC (if needed) in my right front pocket.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1838856]
AC is the simplest quickest cheapest place on earth to find a cute simple little brown girl to spend the night with you and treat you like she's your teenage GF even though you are twice her age. If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. If you don't fit this description then your advice is useless for those of us who enjoy the place. Its for shallow older men who want young girls who are from the typical pure pinay look who speak decent enough english as most all of them do.
[/QUOTE]Here I disagree with you. AC and places like it (Pattaya) are for men of all ages, but for different reasons. I wish I had known about and had such easy access to 100's of girls when I was young. I would have learned more about the real value of pussy and what to do with it than I learned in 4 years at college. I think an AC trip or two should be considered mandatory for all young men as part of their higher education and introduction into manhood. I met my first working girl in Jamaica over spring break when I was 19. Hazel, what a great girl. She shagged me for free and taught me doggie. I will never forget her.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1838856]If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. [/QUOTE]That is not true at all. My youngest brother was 23 the first time I took him to AC and the second time he was 25. Me and my dad had to pry him away from the place so as not to miss our flight to Bangkok. My brother next to me is now 34 and his first time going was 2 years ago. He loves it as well. And I know many more younger guys who like the place. What about all the young US Air Force guys who used to be stationed at Clark; you do not think it was the place for them? I have heard many first hand accounts that it was. You must be trying to keep them away so you can have all the girls to yourself.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838708]2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838724]Bothering us?, who is us?, oh you mean the very few angeles bar owners like yourself who only want to hear what suits your pocket.[/QUOTE]Some confusion: NP are you usaying John Traveller is an AC bar owner? Or just suggesting it?

JT?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743] For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used. [/QUOTE]Never once been bothered on a Jeep. I routinely ride jeeps and trykes.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743]My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL. [/QUOTE]Just my opinion. Interesting that we all seem to not want to get picked of what is often small amounts. Like all of us, I don't want to lose my money either. I put bills in several different locations on my person when I go out: right-front pant pocket, left thigh pocket (cargo pants that zip), in a sock, in a shirt pocket sometimes. Unless I'm out for an evening of fun, I usually limit the total to a small amount (as in a few hudred pesos). No kidding, in Cebu last year I went out one night to meet a member for dinner at a nice resto. I took a credit card for the meal, but I had p400 cash for the night with me. I taxi'd across town to enjoy his company, then taxi'd to the Vikings bars to meet a different buddy for a beer, then jeeped back to my hotel (short hop, could have easily walked the mile to my hotel). Still had change left from the 400. Started with 200 in two different pockets. I got some food poisoning that night, and I remember feeling lousy in bed the next morning, but laughing to myself at how cheap it is in phils, and how little money one needs to actually have on him to get back to his hotel: no matter where you are, no matter the city you're in in phils, you only need a max of about 30 pesos in your pocket to get back to your hotel. One jeep? Two? Hence I keep a small bit of money in separate pockets, in case I lose (or have stolen) from another pocket. When going out at night, I rarely take more than p1500 with me (often p1000), even with no CC. I take more if I intend to barfine, but otherwise, that's plenty for transport, a few drinks and dinner.

I choose not to worry about being picked. Was picked only once, on the street in AC, because I let my guard down (I think p800 or so, I reported it here previously) and let someone touch me. This is so rare, that its not worth worrying about (its part of doing biz or vacationing anywhere). A related story. In Body Shop a few years ago was a fairly inebriated large Aussie. He wasn't obnoxious, he was just drunk and being a bit loud and having fun. When he paid his bar tab to leave he pulled out of his right-front shorts pocket a wad of p1000 notes (he's a fat guy and he had to stand up to get into his own pocket) and peeled one off to give to the waitress. The was must have been at least 20-30+ notes. He shoved the remainder into his same pocket while the waitress made change. When she brought the change he pulled out his wallet from his left-rear shorts pocket and shoved the change bills into that. Your first thought is: that's not smart, to let everyone see that kind of coin on you (an easy target, not only the amount, but the specific pockets). A bit later I was walking down Real St and noticed the same gent at the muslim clothing stalls. I too stopped there to look for a 1-piece girls bathing suit. The gent bought something, again pulling out the large wad of bills and paying for it. Again one might think: Not so smart, fella, to flash that kind of cash on the street. He walked away a happy man in punani heaven. I would guess that he's never been picked. While its a problem, especially in dodgy sections of Manila, it probably has never happened (often) to most of us. Like him, I prefer not to let the thought worry me. If some pickpocket gets my full money on a barfine night, in advance I'm going to let it go.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1838803]I have friends that also walk the streets overseas with full wallets and I can not understand why.[/QUOTE]Ya. Been discussed here before. Always get a kick out of guys who make a target of themselves by toting a wallet that's visible in the pocket. It falls into the same category as jewelry (please, leave it all somewhere safe). Money in your various pocket is invisible till you pull it out (no picker will have any idea what pocket to hit if he does not know what pocket to look in).

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.[/QUOTE]Not to inflame, but IMHO the idea of going to the CR to get at money when paying a bill seems a bit much. OTOH, in AC bars there have been times when I've stepped into the loo crapper stall to be out of eyeshot, just to count. Confirm my money.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1838886]I have a "travel" belt made by Patagonia that has a hidden zipper running down the inside length of the belt where I can stash up to $1200 in 100 dollar bills. The belt looks and operates exactly like a regular belt so no one knows I am carrying. SNIP Again, I keep all my nightly spending money and a CC (if needed) in my right front pocket.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Must look into that type of belt (for general traveling, not for going out at night). I stopped carrying a CC / ATM in phils unless I know before I depart the hotel that I will need it for a specific purchase.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]Pantot, have to fully disagree with you yet again.

Who is not able to bend down while sitting in a jeepney, maybe you or a guy who is 150-200 kg and can't bend down anywhere in life but certainly not me (95KG and average height) or many foreigners I have seen in jeepneys.

The jeepney coins trick has been reported by many on many angeles boards over the years so not sure why you are so unbeleiving.[/QUOTE]Bending down while on the sitting does not expose your ass pockets in anyway. At 95 kilos you should know this. You cannot raise your ass more than 1 milimeter. It is wedged up against the back of the crude jeep communal bench. Reading things on the net and then claiming it was your friend kills your credibility. I am 80 kilos so smaller than you and I cannot imagine the actual physical possiblity of a razor attack on me un noticed while I'm sitting as you say.

I seriously doubt your have ever been in a jeep to say these things. Most foriegners haven't. If you haven't that's fine and no crime but just stick to personal experiences here and not hearsay and net reports as there are so many people who have first hand experiences that can seperate the fact from paranoia. Crimes would be simple snatches of carry on items jewelry bags on the floor hand held etc.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]Money is normally taken from guys rear or side leg pockets, yes would be hard to take money out of front pockets while a guy was sitting down of course.

As for my money belt, I am sorry you take such offence, it works well for me and is a good tip to pass on IMHO,they are after all sold in most phills/thai department stores so i am sure i am not the only one using them,they are designed especially thin to be worn under clothing for protection,

When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.[/QUOTE]Ok sorry for being too harsh here in that aspect. I apologize.

I can relate to a level of concern that may cause one to keep ones 1000 notes money in the money belt while out in the Bars but Westcoasts advice to keep various bills in different wad in front and zippered pockets works for me that's what I do. Cellfone and small notes in one pocket and big notes for the eventual barfine and a hankie in the other pocket along with a debit card just in case. I probably should always carry a photocopy of my passport some where on my person and did for years but have gotten lazy lately. We should all do it if only to make it easy to identify the corpse in a timely manner and notify our love ones in the worst case scenario.

I bought a moneybelt many years ago and still use it for all my trips where I carry a passport and serious money but not for a simple night out but I respect your decision to use it always.

As far as my opinions, they are my opinions, what I experience on my many angeles visits, things I see with my own eyes.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]If you do not agree with my posts for your personal reasons (monetary, desperate bar owner, rose coloured glasses member or you have never visited angeles then please use the ignore button after all its there for a reason.[/QUOTE]I think the level of detail I provide in all my posts establishes my bona fides. I never quote friends or what I read in other boards or even here. I give actual accounts of a place I visit often and know intimately. When I post in places I have never visited in ISG I just ask questions.

Westie, thanks for you input and views.

I think where we differ and why I wear a money belt is the amounts of money I carry / spend.

Although I visit Angeles very regularly my chances to meet with friends / family to go out to a nice restaurant and to barhop is limited to usually 1 or 2 nights per trip.

I like to often treat my close friend/family to a restaurant meal and a few nice bottles of wine, I will often then head out on barhops, buy drinks, buy some lady drinks, maybe barfine so I can easily spend 10,000 pesos on a complete night out, some times more.

Yes fully agree that if one only takes out a couple of hundred pesos then just putting them in pockets is normal and not much to worry about if stolen, but when it comes to carrying much larger sums in order to enjoy the things I enjoy then my hidden money belt is a very sensible thing to use IMHO.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1839041]Westie, thanks for you input and views.

I think where we differ and why I wear a money belt is the amounts of money I carry / spend. ....................[/QUOTE]Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1838922]That is not true at all. My youngest brother was 23 the first time I took him to AC and the second time he was 25. Me and my dad had to pry him away from the place so as not to miss our flight to Bangkok. My brother next to me is now 34 and his first time going was 2 years ago. He loves it as well. And I know many more younger guys who like the place.[/QUOTE]Sorry for being unclear. I was not contesting that no young modern western man cannot enjoy Angeles or the Phils or the easy sex places of SEA in general. My point was that if you go there and its not your cup of tea it may be because you are too young and too proud of your game at your age to appreciate. The vacuous minds of young province Pinays would have left me wanting at their age. Now they are a welcome respite the emotional baggage of the females I could land and reel in in my country at this stage of my life.

These days I would guess 95% of the white guys I see in AC are 30+ at least. The other non white foreigners trend younger.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1838922]What about all the young US Air Force guys who used to be stationed at Clark; you do not think it was the place for them? I have heard many first hand accounts that it was. You must be trying to keep them away so you can have all the girls to yourself.[/QUOTE]Thats a whole different world. I wasn't there. Pinatubo exploded 25 years ago. The internet did not exist. Clark was likely the premier world station for getting easy pussy I agree. I was the age of young airmen in the '80's but not in the service. I was getting all the young pussy I wanted at home in normal everyday life. If I were stationed at Clark in the 80's I would have thought I had the best posting in the world.

I am not contending young men cannot like young pinays of AC. I am just saying if some here think its meh then one reason may be they are too young to fully appreciate it like I would have at that age. Its not geared toward young servicemen or young men in general anymore. Hence the repeated refrain I here lately about the bars being 'boring'. If I were young I would think they were boring too and very monotonous cookie cutter. I am just thier to extract a cute fresh young brown female and the atmosphere is all just background noise good bad or indifferent.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1838886]Here I disagree with you. AC and places like it (Pattaya) are for men of all ages, but for different reasons. I wish I had known about and had such easy access to 100's of girls when I was young. I would have learned more about the real value of pussy and what to do with it than I learned in 4 years at college. I think an AC trip or two should be considered mandatory for all young men as part of their higher education and introduction into manhood.[/QUOTE]Yes but would we have fully appreciated it at the time? Thats my point. Plus I wasnt about to fly halfway around the world on my own dime back in the day to get laid. Thats all there is to do in AC these days. Back in the day the bars served a younger military crowd I'm guessing. Now they are geared toward an older crowd.

One distinction about posters and why we disagree is where we are in life and why we go there. If you are young and / or there for business purposes have expense account etc its a completely different perspective than for a middle aged guy like me there to have fun strictly and visit GF all over the country, snag some BG's etc.

Then you have Phils residents expat retirees who have a whole different set of concerns. Also fluent native language speakers versus those if us stuck in english. If every poster listed his reason for being there in a shorthand bio there it would all be less contentious here but their are privacy concerns so its understandable.

I don't want to keep anyone away! And I don't have a business interest. In the phils my money goes one way. Out of my pocket.

I regularily take tricycles and jeepneys.

Because I am a tallish porinner, I always go 'backrider' on trikes, sitting behind the driver. Can't fit into the damn things or I always end up banging my head so hard on the metal rod roofs. You can also see where you are going if you sit behind the driver.

For jeeps, I always (contrary to local tradition) go sit right behind the driver. You have to do money duties, but it is fun to engage. This way my legs are not in the way of passengers getting on and off and I can talk to the driver about my exact location. Near the driver you are not quite as susceptible to snatchers if you sit right by the door. It is also a little bit safer because you also only have 1 person on 1 side of you rather than both sides.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1839047]Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.[/QUOTE]A stainless steel cylinder in the back pocket would frustrate pickpockets but make negotiating airport and mall security a bit more interesting.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1839040]Bending down while on the sitting does not expose your ass pockets in anyway. At 95 kilos you should know this. You cannot raise your ass more than 1 milimeter. It is wedged up against the back of the crude jeep communal bench. Reading things on the net and then claiming it was your friend kills your credibility. I am 80 kilos so smaller than you and I cannot imagine the actual physical possiblity of a razor attack on me un noticed while I'm sitting as you say.

I seriously doubt your have ever been in a jeep to say these things. Most foriegners haven't. If you haven't that's fine and no crime but just stick to personal experiences here and not hearsay and net reports as there are so many people who have first hand experiences that can seperate the fact from paranoia. Crimes would be simple snatches of carry on items jewelry bags on the floor hand held etc.

Ok sorry for being too harsh here in that aspect. I apologize..[/QUOTE]Pantot, please read fully what me and other board members have posted before replying.

I have clearly stated I have been on jeepneys many times, I have clearly stated that I had clear knowledge my friend had been pickpocketed on the jeepney by having his pocket cut,(it 100% happened regardless of what you claim)

I then separately stated that if you were an unbeleiver that pickpockets target jeepneys then there were many reports on the net / boards of guys saying they have been pick pocketed on jeepneys.

Please show me where I first read reports on the net and then claimed it was my friend, the two are totally separate if you had cared to read.

please feel free to continue to reply to my posts but please read what I have actually said before you reply and wrongly accuse,thanks

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1839047]Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.[/QUOTE]Sxxxx, although I like to protect my money a steel tube in my ass may be a step too far LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1839523]Pantot, please read fully what me and other board members have posted before replying.

I have clearly stated I have been on jeepneys many times, I have clearly stated that I had clear knowledge my friend had been pickpocketed on the jeepney by having his pocket cut,(it 100% happened regardless of what you claim)

I then separately stated that if you were an unbeleiver that pickpockets target jeepneys then there were many reports on the net / boards of guys saying they have been pick pocketed on jeepneys.

Please show me where I first read reports on the net and then claimed it was my friend, the two are totally separate if you had cared to read.

please feel free to continue to reply to my posts but please read what I have actually said before you reply and wrongly accuse,thanks[/QUOTE]Half or more of the women I know have claimed to have lost a phone or purse on a Jeepney. My GF back was stolen from us in a McDonalds in Makati WHILE WE SAT AT THE TABLE, we were shocked and there was a Security guard 18 feet away.

Shit happens here!

Be prepared!

PP.

1. Bring 2 Credit cards never carry then together.

2. Empty your wallet of the useless cards Costco, Scene etc BEFORE you come here.

3. Carry 2 k in your wallet the other cash in your front pocket.

4. No exposed jewellery, your nipple rings are ok, I got my necklace grabbed in Pasay.

5. don't get drunk (I never do in a foreign land) and if your drunk take a cab. Have some one you TRUST with you. 75% of trouble starts with drinking to much. Trust me you don't need liquid courage to get laid here and everything is better sober!

6. Order and install my KidnappedApp which can protect you in case you are abducted. [URL]www.kidnappedapp.com[/URL] [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kidnappedapp.kidnapp[/URL].

Good luck be nice stay sober and FUCK YOUR WAY TO GOOD health.

PP.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1839533]Sxxxx, although I like to protect my money a steel tube in my ass may be a step too far LOL.[/QUOTE]To execute that one, you need 'steely resolve' , LOL.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1839921]Half or more of the women I know have claimed to have lost a phone or purse on a Jeepney. My GF back was stolen from us in a McDonalds in Makati WHILE WE SAT AT THE TABLE, we were shocked and there was a Security guard 18 feet away.

Shit happens here!

Be prepared!

PP.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

Not that any Pinays read ISG but the main danger in jeeps is of snatch and grab stuff you expose that they can simply swipe and run out the back. If I or laid my bag of serious valuables on the jeep floor or started counting my 1000 pesos notes while licking my fingers and a wiry little 90 pound kid grabbed it and ran, It would be gone forever. I could never catch them in 1 time out of 1000.

If your valuables are in your front pockets you are fine. Every experienced ISG voice on this board noted that was his practice. All of us who admitted to many jeep experiences, None of us have ever noted a problem on a jeep in this latest discussion.

Every story of jeep horror stories in Angeles (? Maybe its never specified) occurs to some one I know or girl who lost the cell maybe the guy paid for. No girl I ever bought a cheap cellphone for ever dropped it in a puddle or left it somewhere or ever had the nephew fling it across the room and kill it or had it stolen by a cousin. It was always snatched! In public by a stranger.

I doubt many mongers carry man purses on jeeps those of you who do. Stop it. You are warned!

I have yet to hear one first person account here of any monger who had his valuables extracted from his core front man pockets while seated on a jeep. This is 3rd world travel 101.

As was noted if you are hammered don't take a jeep. The tight confines will make you bump your head and step on passengers feet entering and exiting much less make you are target of opportunity.

I am not saying jeeps are oasis of safety in the Phils. But they are safer than the streets. Your main exposure is entering or exciting of your ass or side pockets. Your front pockets are so secure in any jeep due to the crouched nature of it. Its not a bus. I am 5'10 and I can't sit completely upright in most AC jeeps. In province jeeps or multicabs sometimes they have headroom. The tight nature makes our core secure while exposing the relatively tiny locals I. E our girls to true 'pick pockets' who literally pick thier body pockets which they can due to them as opposed to us whom rather they can only grab our openly exposed valuables.

This AC jeep paranoia for us mongers is wildly overblown I'm sorry. The street is your most open place to be taken advantage of of by far.

And in addition as far as safety is concerned I will for once refer to anecdotal evidence of the girls over many years. I break my rule of trying to provide first hand accounts only as evidence to you guys but when ever I notice a large scar on a girls legs etc that's noticeable usually the response is 'trike accident' I don't recall many if any answer of 'jeep accident' though I am sure they occur and of them all log in millions of more hours of both modes than any of us and Jeep mileage for the poor bar girls over their young lives outnumber trike mileage by a factor of 10 or 100 or a 1000.

Don't get me started on exhaust fumes at trike street level as well I crowded streets especially.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1840033]Exactly.

Not that any Pinays read ISG but the main danger in jeeps is of snatch and grab stuff you expose that they can simply swipe and run out the back. If I or laid my bag of serious valuables on the jeep floor or started counting my 1000 pesos notes while licking my fingers and a wiry little 90 pound kid grabbed it and ran, It would be gone forever. I could never catch them in 1 time out of 1000.

If your valuables are in your front pockets you are fine. Every experienced ISG voice on this board noted that was his practice. All of us who admtted to many jeep experiences, None of us have ever noted a problem on a jeep in this latest discussion.

Every story of jeep horror stories in angeles (? Maybe its never specified) occurs to some one I know or girl who lost the cell maybe the guy paid for. No girl I ever bought a cheap cellfone for ever dropped it in a puddle or left it somewhere or ever had the nephew fling it across th romm and kill it or had it stolen by a cousin. It was always snatched! In public by a stranger.

I doubt many mongers carry man purses on jeeps those of you who do. Stop it. You are warned!

I have yet to hear one first person account here of any monger who had his valuables extracted from his core front man pockets while seated on a jeep. This is 3rd world travel 101.

As was noted if you are hammered don't take a jeep. The tight confines will make you bump your head and step on passengers feet entering and exiting much less make you are target of opportunity.

I am not saying jeeps are oasis of safety in the Phils. But they are safer than the streets. Your main exposure is entering or exciting of your ass or side pockets. Your front pockets are so secure in any jeep due to the crouched nature of it. Its not a bus. I am 5'10 and I can't sit completely upright in most AC jeeps. In province jeeps or multicabs sometimes they have headroom. The tight nature makes our core secure while exposing the relatively tiny locals I. E our girls to true 'pick pockets' who literally pick thier body pockets which they can due to them as opposed to us whom rather they can only grab our openly exposed valuables.

This AC jeep paranoia for us mongers is wildly overblown I'm sorry. The street is your most open place to be taken advantage of of by far.

And in addition as far as safety is concerned I will for once refer to anectdotal evidence of the girls over many years. I break my rule of trying to provide first hand accounts only as evidence to you guys but when ever I notice a large scar on a girls legs etc that's noticeable usually the response is 'trike accident' I don't recall many if any answer of 'jeep accident' though I am sure they occur and of them all log in millions of more hours of both modes than any of us and Jeep mileage for the poor bar girls over thier young lives outnumber trike mileage by a factor of 10 or 100 or a 1000.

Don't get me started on exhaust fumes at trike street level as well I crowded streets especially.[/QUOTE]Again you are not reading what others are posting before ranting on and on.

Pinaypounder has clearly stated that jeepneys are the walmart for pickpockets = (many pickpockets on jeepneys or many tagets on jeepneys for pickpockets).

Pinaypounder also clearly says that he knows many that have claimed to have things taken on the jeepney,he did not say how they were taken yet you read this to mean no one can ever get pickpocketed on the jeepney or that no one can have things taken from their pockets, he did not say that yet you clearly twist things to try to prove your point.

Just because pick pocketing has not happened to you does not mean it does not happen, as I said google jeepney pickpockets angeles and you will see a whole heap of guys / girls claiming to have been pickpocketed, I have witnessed pickpockets on jeepneys, know 1st hand of guys that have been pickpocketed in jeepneys so your argument hold no ground.

I have also travelled hundreds of times on malaysia airlines, my flight has never crashed/gone missing, it has never been shot out of the sky by a missile that does not mean it did not happen or that some 600 people did not lose their lives it just means it did not happen to me,

You also recently claimed to all this board that certain southern parts of mindanao were totally safe to travel to, everyone here disagreed with you, most if not all world governments disagree with you and have categary 1 warnings against visiting yet you still carried on with you posts of its totally safe, even to the point of falling out with senior members, maybe you should tell the people who were recently kidnapped in mindanao that its totally safe because you say so,i think you will find they will disagree stronly with yourself,

if you Want to comment on the jeepneys then saying something like I have never been picked, or I have not heard of pickpockets is fine and correct, claiming it is impossible and that other members must be lying / mistaken is not correct or in keeping with the harmony of this board imho.

While these endless posts on where to stash money and valuables while riding in one of the world's least comfortable means of transport are doubtless fascinating to some, none addresses the larger question of why anyone would ride them when other modes of transport are available. Jeepneys, like Bush taxis in Africa, are the apotheosis of third world development and their attraction for foreigners is beyond my limited comprehension. As an alternative in Angeles, I'd suggest hotel cars, often offered gratis to guests or, all else failing, one of the iniquitous trikes, which are equally uncomfortable but allow one to circumvent any threat of being robbed.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1840089]While these endless posts on where to stash money and valuables while riding in one of the world's least comfortable means of transport are doubtless fascinating to some, none addresses the larger question of why anyone would ride them when other modes of transport are available. Jeepneys, like Bush taxis in Africa, are the apotheosis of third world development and their attraction for foreigners is beyond my limited comprehension. As an alternative in Angeles, I'd suggest hotel cars, often offered gratis to guests or, all else failing, one of the iniquitous trikes, which are equally uncomfortable but allow one to circumvent any threat of being robbed.

GE.[/QUOTE]Precisely GE.

I cannot understand why you pend SP much cash to arrive in AC then take a 8 pesos jeepney when some hotels offer free rides to the main places, or if you really must trike it.

Crap happens all over the world if you don't look after your wallet etc. Friend was robber di Addis a while back by street urchins and he did not feel a thing, mates in Cebu are careful when they wander around Colon (or Mango at night).

My advice is don't ride Jeepneys as most of the girls I know have lost cash, mobiles on them (as PP said) and a westerner is a sitting target IMHO.

But some like the thrill etc is fine YMMV but some pay thousands of USD and then don't look after valuable when outside carefully? Is like the Japanese tourist I have seen wandering on Copacabana with the expensive cameras hanging from their neck and flashy expensive watches on the wrists. And they wonder why they are robbed LOL.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1840089]While these endless posts on where to stash money and valuables while riding in one of the world's least comfortable means of transport are doubtless fascinating to some, none addresses the larger question of why anyone would ride them when other modes of transport are available. Jeepneys, like Bush taxis in Africa, are the apotheosis of third world development and their attraction for foreigners is beyond my limited comprehension. As an alternative in Angeles, I'd suggest hotel cars, often offered gratis to guests or, all else failing, one of the iniquitous trikes, which are equally uncomfortable but allow one to circumvent any threat of being robbed.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE, you are correct, enough about the jeepney pickpockets.

As I posted recently I stay at the Lewis grand which has a 24/7 limo service so that I no longer have to use the stinking / uncomfortable jeepney.

Here's the problems I find with using Angeles trikes.

Scum bags for drivers, high chance of them being drunk or on yabba,10 x the cost of trikes anywhere else in the phills but most of all its much too small, its also very low to the ground so that one is at the height of the tail pipes and exhaust fumes of surrounding vehicles,

But the main concern has to be safety, being that low to the ground in an accident I could easily see a real risk of a passenger being decapitated.

yes its a bit more expensive to stay at a hotel that offers car service but money very well spent imho,

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1840112]



Here's the problems I find with using angeles trikes.

Scum bags for drivers, high chance of them being drunk or on yabba,10 x the cost of trikes anywhere else in the phills but most of all its much too small, its also very low to the ground so that one is at the height of the tail pipes and exhaust fumes of surrounding vehicles,

But the main concern has to be safety, being that low to the ground in an accident I could easily see a real risk of a passenger being decapitated.

yes its a bit more expensive to stay at a hotel that offers car service but money very well spent imho,[/QUOTE]Agreed. I stay at ABC which provides drop-off and pick-up service to its guests. You're also correct about the trikes, but given that I've never had a ride that lasted longer than 10 minutes, I'm willing to put up with the discomfort from time to time. Last week for example, because of a balloon festival, streets were clogged amd I didn't want to wait for a hotel car, so I coped with the discomfort of a trike ride to ABC amd didn't really care much if it cost me an extra Php20 or 30.

I'm not much attracted to the sleaziness and noise of the bars--though I get it that some are--so I like to strike early, strike quickly, and then get back to the relative serenity of the hotel.

GE.

Me too, GE. Looking forward to meeting up again next month.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1840135] I like to strike early, strike quickly, and then get back to the relative serenity of the hotel.

GE.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1840135]Agreed. I stay at ABC which provides drop-off and pick-up service to its guests. You're also correct about the trikes, but given that I've never had a ride that lasted longer than 10 minutes, I'm willing to put up with the discomfort from time to time. Last week for example, because of a balloon festival, streets were clogged amd I didn't want to wait for a hotel car, so I coped with the discomfort of a trike ride to ABC amd didn't really care much if it cost me an extra Php20 or 30.

I'm not much attracted to the sleaziness and noise of the bars--though I get it that some are--so I like to strike early, strike quickly, and then get back to the relative serenity of the hotel.

GE.[/QUOTE]Of course the private cars are virtually useless in traveling the monger areas of AC from ABC or Lewis Grand which are in the perimeter. I don't see how they factor in to the discussion at all for most daily or nightly travel. If you take a private hotel car from those hotels to Fields what hat I don't understand is how they help you with a barfine. Those hotels don't have fleets of private cars waiting to drop you off and pick you up. Where do they have a stand to hover outside of walking street to get you for a barfine? OK honey now the iron is hot and I'm ready to strike so lets call my hotel and wait for the car to navigate that road at walking speed and get us back to my exclusive hotel.

This forum is not just for mongers who stay at the the few AC hotels which offer a limited car service which makes you wait on both ends coming going etc. Some of us just want to get there when we want to at the whims of our desires we are savvy and don't have a great fear of the regular local people. We don't mind rubbing elbows with them in their world. We don't live there so we don't get tired of the bullshit over the course of a visit.

If you take a private car from LG or ABC, to SM Clark, I could in many cases beat you there simply walking just walk down the Perimeter, cut through the Jeep terminal, jump the wall to the extreme left of the terminal and walk to the Mall. Its a low grassy area so much less susceptible to muddy or dirty paths of that big desert where all the pinoys go.

Getting into a car for in city travel in AC monger areas is a monumental clusterfuck and I hope you love sitting in traffic. As soon as the traffic stalls get out and walk the rest of the way. Its not far.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1840450]Of course the private cars are virtually useless in travelling the monger areas of AC from ABC or Lewis Grand which are in the perimiter. I don't see how they factor in to the discussion at all for most daily or nightly travel. If you take a private hotel car from those hotels to Fields what hat I don't understand is how they help you with a barfine. Those hotels don't have fleets of private cars waiting to drop you off and pick you up. Where do they have a stand to hover outside of walking street to get you for a barfine? Ok honey now the iron is hot and I'm ready to strike so lets call my hotel and wait for the car to navigate that road at walking speed and get us back to my exclusive hotel.

This forum is not just for mongers who stay at the the few AC hotels which offer a limited car service which makes you wait on both ends coming going etc. Some of us just want to get there when we want to at the whims of our desires we are savvy and don't have a great fear of the regular local people. We don't mind rubbing elbows with them in thier world. We don't live there so we don't get tired of the bullshit over the course of a visit.

If you take a private car from LG or ABC, to SM Clark, I could in many cases beat you there simply walking just walk down the Perimeter, cut through the Jeep terminal, jump the wall to the extreme left of the terminal and walk to the Mall. Its a low grassy area so much less susceptible to muddy or dirty paths of that big desert where all the pinoys go.

Getting into a car for in city travel in AC monger areas is a monumental clusterfuck and I hope you love sitting in traffic. As soon as the traffic stalls get out and walk the rest of the way. Its not far.[/QUOTE]Without overly belaboring the point, if cars are useless coping with e traffic, then why are Jeepneys, which stop to let off and take on passengers any more efficient? And as to pick-ups to get back to the hotel, I call about 5 minutes before I need a car, and once I walk outside it's usually there, or ready to meet me at the beginning of Walking Street. And yes, the hotel does have a fleet of cars.

I'm not trying to start a class war and I'm not going to respond to any additional posts on this inane subject. My point is writing originally was not to denigrate those who take Jeepneys, but to point out that for those who are apprehensive about getting robbed while riding them, there are alternatives.

In my younger days, I rode the motorcycle taxis and tuk tuks in Bangkok, rented bikes to get around town, and happily entered all manner of Bush vehicles all over Africa. I've also worked in various parts of this country where most foreigners will never go amd lived to tell the tale. Now that I'm (much) older, I'm more risk averse; hence my preference for private cars.

GE.

Hahaha you started a class war by calling Fields "Walking Street. " Did Obama rename too that last time he was here?

[QUOTE=Slippery;1840523]Hahaha you started a class war by calling Fields "Walking Street. " Did Obama rename too that last time he was here?[/QUOTE]Uhm.... The part of Fields between the crossing with Mitchell Ave and McArthur IS called Walking Street.

Guys, can you please stop this endless debate now? Not all of us have the budget to stay at expensive hotels like the ABC or Lewis Grand with their 'free' private car services. And not all of us are willing to pay 100 PhP for each trike ride, even when we can afford it. It's amazing how much money you can save simply by paying attention or shopping around a little bit. The savings add up pretty quickly.
Yes, most of us spend a small fortune just to get to the Phils but that doesn't mean that everybody can (or wants) to spend even more money like water once they're here.

Personally I've never had any problems riding the jeepneys, except that they are quite uncomfortable. And I've taken them all over the Phils, including in Manila, AC and Cebu. I've never felt unsafe and I've never been pickpocketed, even though I'm carrying my wallet in my back pocket. Yes, that's right: in my back pocket. Because I 'feel' it better when I keep it there rather than in my front pocket which is often a bit loose.

Hmmm, maybe I'm only fuelling the debate now, LOL!

Mogwai, Walking street?

According to google earth and my local knowledge there is no such thing as walking street angeles or even perimeter road as some call it.

Don juico avenue runs from way past mirror bar up till Petron where it is then named 21st street, 21st street then joins on to fields avenue roughly at friendship jeep terminal and carries on as fields avenue right past atlantis, dollhouse etc till the end where it meets macarthur highway.

The fairly recent Angeles walking street sign was put there for tourists to try to emulate the success of walking street Pattaya, it was the bright idea of the then Angeles mayor and the then police chief lui tan (now deceased) who visited Pattaya some years back and were highly impressed by the walking street Pattaya sign, but the st name was never changed from fields avenue,

From memory the american airmen stationed at clark started calling Don juico avenue and 21st street perimeter road because the 2 roads were the perimeter to their base,

As far as stirring the pot, yes you have done that quite nicely with your wallet in back pocket remarks LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1840112].Here's the problems I find with using angeles trikes o,[/QUOTE]Unless you're coming back from a bar late and its raining or your date is wearing heels, what other possible scenario would have you getting into a trike?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1840595]Mogwai, Walking street?

According to google earth and my local knowledge there is no such thing as walking street angeles [/QUOTE]A few years ago they erected barriers just past the Raymond Street entrance to Fields and another Barrier on fields roughly 1 or 2 blocks from MacArthur. There is a huge sign at the Raymond Street Barricade proclaiming "Walking Street" . During the day the supply vehicles for the bars are allowed to come in but at night yes it is literally a walking street. There are two main trike stands, one on fields near the raymond street barricade and one on the Santos street entrance to Fields.

You won't find it on Google earth if that's your source of reference. Trikes, cars scooters etc are not on there at night. The trikes do you turns and take you on routes away from that area. There isn't a trike stand at the near Macarthur entrance to Fields as few go that way.

Its a nice oasis as idle trikes litter the sidewalks of the rest of Fields and the Perimeter road and make walking a constant street- sidewalk-street affair. Walking is still the safest mode of transport in the tight small Balibago Fields bar area IMO.

If I were king of Angeles My first decree would be to outlaw all idle trikes from the South side of the Fields / perimeter / Don Juico corridor and force them to the north side along the perimeter fence. It has been pretty much cleaned up lately and has plenty of space.

Just clear up the f*cking sidewalks so we can walk on them.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1840917]Just clear up the f*cking sidewalks so we can walk on them.[/QUOTE]Or at least make the sidewalks leveled instead of at 30 degree angles.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840936]Or at least make the sidewalks leveled instead of at 30 degree angles.[/QUOTE]Walking Street. And don't forget lads, about 2/3 yrs ago, they ripped up the terrible sidewalk (and the road itself) and re-laid it with fancy bricks, design etc. It took maybe a year to do, and lasted only about 6 months, before it started crumbling, falling apart, sliding etc. Only in the Philippines.

That's part of the attraction of the Philippines. All fucked up. A refreshing change from our homelands where things are orderly and organised, sort of. Fucked infrastructure, fucked in the head girls etc. What more could we want?

More please, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1841075]More please, LOL.[/QUOTE]McDo have-a spaghetti. Delizioso. Like-a Italia. Mama Mia.

What I enjoy about the Philippines is it takes almost no effort to get the poosy, but it takes a lot of effort to walk the pavement. If one had never been here could you imagine such a place? In the west the weirdly inverted, opposite-to-expectations Bizarro World exists in comics. But here you get to live in actual Bizarro World. Brilliant!

Yes, the chaos and rawness of it all is refreshing in a peculiar way.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1841075]Walking Street. And don't forget lads, about 2/3 yrs ago, they ripped up the terrible sidewalk (and the road itself) and re-laid it with fancy bricks, design etc. It took maybe a year to do, and lasted only about 6 months, before it started crumbling, falling apart, sliding etc. Only in the Philippines.

That's part of the attraction of the Philippines. All fucked up. A refreshing change from our homelands where things are orderly and organised, sort of. Fucked infrastructure, fucked in the head girls etc. What more could we want?

More please, LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1841321]McDo have-a spaghetti. Delizioso. Like-a Italia. Mama Mia.

What I enjoy about the Philippines is it takes almost no effort to get the poosy, but it takes a lot of effort to walk the pavement. If one had never been here could you imagine such a place? In the west the weirdly inverted, opposite-to-expectations Bizarro World exists in comics. But here you get to live in actual Bizarro World. Brilliant![/QUOTE]Yes, as you say, enjoy it, for what it is. What amuses me, guys arriving, then trying to change the girls to Western ways and mentality. Isn't that what we are escaping? Over the years I have observed guys from one country in particular, that are hell bent on changing the Filipinos to resemble morals, behavior, as in in their home country. Disaster, both guy and girl end up in confrontation all the time and unhappy. Hint: Country name starts with a G, LOL. There is an old saying "Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive, and don't miss with Mister in between. Get it? Got it? Good!

So, McDo have a Spaghetti Delizioso. And the Phils have Pussy Delizioso! Enjoy the positive, eliminate the negative, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1841367]Yes, as you say, enjoy it, for what it is. What amuses me, guys arriving, then trying to change the girls to Western ways and mentality. Isn't that what we are escaping? Over the years I have observed guys from one country in particular, that are hell bent on changing the Filipinos to resemble morals, behavior, as in in their home country. Disaster, both guy and girl end up in confrontation all the time and unhappy. Hint: Country name starts with a G, LOL. There is an old saying "Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive, and don't miss with Mister in between. Get it? Got it? Good!

So, McDo have a Spaghetti Delizioso. And the Phils have Pussy Delizioso! Enjoy the positive, eliminate the negative, LOL.[/QUOTE]Once morning while enjoying an excellent FRhstck at German Angel's Bakery and Coffee Shop on Don Juico, I witnessed one of those guys scolding a pinay about how she was raising their baby. He railed on and on about her failure to teach the baby to fall asleep early at night and not to touch things. As if on cue, the baby reached over and knocked the toothpick dispenser off the table spilling its contents all over the floor. Der father flew into a rage pointing out that this incident was exactly the kind of thing he was chiding the poor little mother about. He complained loudly that the toothpicks were no longer sanitary and he would have to pay for them.

My pinay companion whispered, "Wow! That poriner is really angry to that girl. Maybe he is bossy and angry when he fuck that girl also. " She giggled and I spewed my coffee into a napkin no longer able to contain my amusement at the ongoing comedy.

It is odd that so many guys flee the big fat masculine women in their homeland but once in the Philippines they start complaining about how vacuous dull and stupid the pinays are compared to the educated Western women they ran away from. They expect the pinays to entertain and stimulate their minds as well as their pricks. This comes from the Western expectation that men will end all their friendships and hobbies making their girlfriend or wife the center of their social life once in a relationship. Perhaps they can learn a thing or two from Filipinos who are much less demanding with the girls. Filipinos only expect the girls to give them pussy and beer money. They find their own entertainment with the guys getting drunk and betting on roosters at cockfights.

So I just came over to this site from USG. I am planning a trip to Angeles city area later this year and it'll be my first time experiencing it. I would like to go with a game plan if at all possible. Would anyone be so kind as to pm me information. Like which places to go to find girls for FS. I will be staying at ABC hotel if that helps. I am excited about this but want to make sure I have a plan before just jumping into it out there LOL.

[QUOTE=LucidDream;1841720]So I just came over to this site from USG. I am planning a trip to Angeles city area later this year and it'll be my first time experiencing it. I would like to go with a game plan if at all possible. Would anyone be so kind as to pm me information. Like which places to go to find girls for FS. I will be staying at ABC hotel if that helps. I am excited about this but want to make sure I have a plan before just jumping into it out there LOL.[/QUOTE]People are about to tell you to Read The Fucking Forum. There is no plan needed for AC. Walk out of your hotel. Walk into a bar. Find a girl you like. Pay bar fine. Go back to your hotel. Fuck. Then repeat the process as often as you like.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1841700]They expect the pinays to entertain and stimulate their minds as well as their pricks. This comes from the Western expectation that men will end all their friendships and hobbies making their girlfriend or wife the center of their social life once in a relationship. [/QUOTE]A good book, a comfortable poolside recliner, and decent gym. 'Nuff said.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1841700]Once morning while enjoying an excellent FRhstck at German Angel's Bakery and Coffee Shop on Don Juico, I witnessed one of those guys scolding a pinay about how she was raising their baby. He railed on and on about her failure to teach the baby to fall asleep early at night and not to touch things. As if on cue, the baby reached over and knocked the toothpick dispenser off the table spilling its contents all over the floor. Der father flew into a rage pointing out that this incident was exactly the kind of thing he was chiding the poor little mother about. He complained loudly that the toothpicks were no longer sanitary and he would have to pay for them.

My pinay companion whispered, "Wow! That poriner is really angry to that girl. Maybe he is bossy and angry when he fuck that girl also. " She giggled and I spewed my coffee into a napkin no longer able to contain my amusement at the ongoing comedy.

It is odd that so many guys flee the big fat masculine women in their homeland but once in the Philippines they start complaining about how vacuous dull and stupid the pinays are compared to the educated Western women they ran away from. They expect the pinays to entertain and stimulate their minds as well as their pricks. This comes from the Western expectation that men will end all their friendships and hobbies making their girlfriend or wife the center of their social life once in a relationship. Perhaps they can learn a thing or two from Filipinos who are much less demanding with the girls. Filipinos only expect the girls to give them pussy and beer money. They find their own entertainment with the guys getting drunk and betting on roosters at cockfights.[/QUOTE]That should be in the ROD.

I too see the mistaken cultural clashes (have been guilty of it myself; and I learn new cultural items, sometimes superstitions, on each visit). I think the term is ethnocentrism, and its inside all of us, to some degree. Child-rearing and a child's experiences are different in phils compared to the west. Education is obviously different. Foreigners pushing their own culture on poor pinay is really a form of ethnocentrism taken to a large degree. It would be easy to say that a foreigner's failure to understand that is simply a measure of his 'stupidity', but its more a measure of his inability to see the difference in culture. Further, its his inability to adjust to the local culture. Certainly the locals -- the girl in this case, or her child -- is not about to adjust to an outside culture (unless she departs Phils and moves to his country, where the adjustment would be expected).

Honestly gents, the concepts that are complained about here often (girl's inability to be on time, girls being 'vacuous' or 'stupid', etc) are only true through your own cultural lens. They are not true in any sense, they fit only your / our / western perception; certainly they don't fit pinoy perception. Are you following the Star Trek prime directive, or not?

Possibly this should be in the Gen Info thread. Later I will share a similar thing about another culture (Russian / ukranian).

Long post warning. First time to PI and only had 4 nights and decided to stay all in AC. I'm 38 and been only to Pattaya (3 times), Jakarta once, Macau (many times from 2005-2011), Shanghai (3 times). So I'm not very experienced, so take that into account.

I'm not a big "drinker" so the attractiveness of the girls at 9 pm will look the same to me at 1 am- no beer goggles;).

I came to AC having read / skimmed the AC thread for about 100 pages. I had a general idea of what to expect and I was neither wowed or disappointed by AC.

Night 1.

Arrived Sunday night and 2800 php car to AC took about 2 hrs 45 mins. Checked into Valentinos Hotel which for the price is not a bad place to stay.

10 pm: After eating I trolled "Walking street" stopping into a few bars / gogos. As with every night on my short trip the talent on the stage was not great. Most are 4-5's on my scale with only a couple of 6's. Rarely will you find a 7 and only once did I see an 8-9 "on stage". (Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

After 4 bars I found a girl at Doll House. She was a 7 in my book and was friendly but shy and only had been working in AC for 2 weeks. I knew what I was getting into, but I bar fined her (3 k php) and we had a bite at McD and back to our hotel for a decent session. She had a really cute body, fairly tall but smallish boobs, 22 yo. GFE experience, and she got very wet, but she certainly was not super energetic.

I probably would have bar fined her the next night if not for what happened during the night. So at McD she gets a coffee (at midnight). Now I know a few people who can have coffee anytime and can get to sleep. I'm not one of those people so when she kept asking if I wanted a sip I said no and told her I wouldn't be able to sleep if I drank coffee. Well after our session and shower she wants to gets to bed, but OF COURSE she is tossing and turning literally every 5-10 minutes until 5 am. At 4 am I was ready to throw her out and when at 5 am she asks to go I say absolutely. A 2nd morning 'shot' was not worth it. Sorry but I need my beauty sleep:).

Night 2 was a bust with all the bars having very mediocre talent. I decided to head back alone around midnight as I didn't feel like paying 3 K for a '6' and didn't want to go back to Doll House for a repeat.

Night 3 same ol' stroll on walking street. Most bars I would walk in and walk out as the girls on stage were not great. Around 11 pm in front of Kokomos restaurant, I chatted up a girl on her day off from Q bar who was free lancing. Short, skinny and a '6' at best. Small BS and an ok face. 1 k short time and back to hotel. Pretty basic session, not GFE and she was shy in bed but at least just didn't lay there. I will pay 1 k for that kind of session but not pay a bar fine of 3 k for the same "6" in attractiveness. Wouldn't repeat though.

Night 4.

Door girl outside Carnival was the first '8' I've seen at a gogo / bar in AC. Tall, great body, really pretty face. She ended up going inside and I went in and she was on the small stage that is closest to the door with only 3 dancers. The main stage had about 12 girls but none caught my eye. The small stage has two booth type seats on either side and all 3 girls were facing the other seats with 2 Koreas (so I was looking at their backs / butts). After getting a drink I asked the waitress who was sitting next to me that I would like to buy the pretty girl a drink. The waitress slapped the girl's ass and she turned to us and I smiled and she had no expression. Not a smile nor a frown and didn't even a shake her head to decline. I guess I should have thanked her for not wasting my time and money on a lady drink. I very quickly told the waitress to forget it and the girl just turned back around like nothing happened. So a definite rejection. The korean guys left and after my beer I left as well.

I walked to a bar near the New Orange bar and they had a couple that might be '7's' but not very interesting. I left and passed the Orange bar and found a stunner at the door. A 8-9 by my standards, slim but not skinny, nice sized boobs and very pretty face. She was trying to get me to go into the bar and as she escorted me in I saw the stage and she was by far the prettiest. I asked if I could buy her a drink and she accepted. Nice girl, 22 yo, has only worked as a door girl for about 1 year but only 1 week at the Orange bar, no kids. I asked if she would bar fine and she said ok but only short time. I'm a sucker for a pretty face so I agreed.

I had low expectations as she was very pretty and just a door girl but the session was very good. Her skills were very good and that body was fantastic. Mechanical and not GFE but I'the definitely repeat; however this was my final night.

Bonus before hotel check out!

The night before I had chatted with what appeared to be some culinary student / FL but she was busy that night and asked if I can do a quickie in the morning (9 am) before I checked out of the hotel. I told her I would let her know but that was a bit early. Well, I was up early and after some messages and a missed meeting at McD at 9 am we were able to get together at 11 am. She was a college student and had a physical education class from 10 to 10:50. She looked like her photos and I would say she was a '7'. She was 21 yo and had some meat on her but no kids and pretty tight. I had to check out by 12 pm so it was a quickie but she loved to kiss and was wet like no other. Really wished I had found her earlier in the week as I would have definitely repeated. Oh well. Damage 1. 5 k (she started at 2 K).

I ended up taking the bus back to manila then taxi to the airport which was very smooth on a Thursday at lunch time. Taxi guy was nice enough to stop at starbucks and McD as I was really hungry and tired.

Opinions from a first timer to PI:

The flight to PI for me is only 2. 5 hrs but I don't think I will be going back. Both AC and Pattaya are just not my style. Not enough talent in the 'looks' department. (my personal taste). I think both AC and Pattaya might be good for people in a group or at least with a wingman so you can drink and talk as you watch less than enthusiastic women stand on the stage. Also I'm not that into LT sessions. Having to make conversation with WGs is not appealing unfortunately. However at least in AC the english skills are much better than Pattaya.

I've been 'spoiled' by the high talent (and high price) from Macau for so many years that it can be hard to find a pretty face in Thailand or PI. Also I'm a lazy bum when it comes to "mongering" so the sauna / spa type places of Macau / Shanghai / Jakarta fit my personality more. If you are into and have patience for "the hunt" I think you can do well with finding some gems and FLs outside of Fields Ave either normal girls or on chatting apps.

Koreans, koreans, koreans! I probably should have put this at the beginning but there are very attractive girls in AC but they are all on the arms of Koreans. They are on Walking street in plain clothes or with them inside the bars. But usually never 'on stage'. I guess these guys bar fine very early in the day and drink, eat, party, ect the rest of the night with the girl. Personally I cannot fault the girls if they do prefer koreans since they don't have to dance and get free drinks and food for the rest of the night. To find a stunner "on stage" you might have to start around 7-8 pm. Obviously for "LT" with a stunner you may need to negotiate as I feel that they will not do 3 k for LT.

WeChat. I probably should have put more time in APP messaging but if you are staying a long time (1-3 weeks) I think you might can get some decent FL talent from it. One funny exchange with a 19-20 ish girl. She was a 9 in looks, spinner type. She asked what I would pay and I started at 1. 5 k. She replied "No". I asked her what is her price and she said 30 k. Whoa. I didn't take it further so perhaps her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1842108]I too see the mistaken cultural clashes (have been guilty of it myself; and I learn new cultural items, sometimes superstitions, on each visit). I think the term is ethnocentrism, and its inside all of us, to some degree. Child-rearing and a child's experiences are different in phils compared to the west. [/QUOTE]You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]Yes. Breastfeeding is another example. In various cultures, its done more publicly, or till later ages. I remember an actress being interviewed on TV, maybe 20+ years ago, saying she'd breastfed her son until he was 8. A decade ago I went to a buddy's home to pick him up for a basketball game. His wife sat on the couch and we chatted while he was changing clothes in the bedroom. They had at that time 5 kids (and another later). The youngest, age 3, jumped into his mother's lap and tugged at her shirt. She pulled out a boob and he went to town on that.

Once in my car I asked my bud if age 3 was too old for the boob? "Nah. We breastfed the oldest till he was 8. The next two till they were 7. The last two are still on the boob". He used the word "we". Then: "We gave up breastfeeding in public. People here can't handle that". He also shared that they kept each of their kids in their bed through age 2 (a number of my friends have shared similar), and at times there were multiple kids sleeping in the parent's bed. I think that means they were making the next baby while one (or more) was currently in the bed with them.

I think if you or I found a pinay breastfeeding a 4 or 5 year old, it would be very easy to say: "No kid of mine would be doing that! You won't see that in America / England / Oz!" But, its a different culture, and while its fine to think such, its not OK to say that to her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]I once worked here with a young man of about 30, well educated with an income that should have allowed him to become self-sufficient When I asked why he still lived with his mother, he looked at me somewhat incredulously and asked: "If I moved out, who would make my bed?" I've never forgotten that statement because it reinforces the perpetual infantalization of parent-child relationships here. I'm not making a judgment, it's just a fact of life here that fosters continuous interdependence. It's also the basis for the "utang na loob" socialization process that ties children and parents together by unseverable bonds. Family obligations are almost inescapable.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]All this in the AC forum. Sigh. The most vibrant form in ISG.

Anyway you are dealing with people in a poverty level socio economic environment. Why is any of this surprising? Go visit the same level economically speaking in your own countries. Its not better worse or indifferent. Its the same. Likely in the Phils its better as families at least stick together.

Yes poor families in third world countries or first world poverty areas do not raise their kids as would us privileged fathers with impressive MBA's in the west. I never compare myself to them as I look down my nose.

Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.

What an elitist arrogant out of place post, seriously. Maybe you have an MBA but if you would have taken some anthropology or sociology courses before travelling abroad or simply read Guns, Germs and Steel back in the day you would have realized we are all products of how we are raised not superior.

There are many of thoughtful enlightened Phils families even among the the most poorest but its an overall stunted culture. Try to find and enjoy them if you have that superior attitude rather than mock the sad ones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]
. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1842358]Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.[/QUOTE]While in Kenya, Africa, I was going to school there, milk used to be delivered to the schools during the afternoon recess. No laughing matter.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]Mr E. Perhaps you were talking about a baby milk bottle? If so then I can understand that a kid would be laughed at in the US. If you were talking about a bottle of milk that you can buy in a store then I don't understand it. Unless only babies under the age of 2 drink milk in the US.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1842300]
WeChat. I probably should have put more time in APP messaging but if you are staying a long time (1-3 weeks) I think you might can get some decent FL talent from it. One funny exchange with a 19-20 ish girl. She was a 9 in looks, spinner type. She asked what I would pay and I started at 1. 5 k. She replied "No". I asked her what is her price and she said 30 k. Whoa. I didn't take it further so perhaps her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?[/QUOTE]I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1842347]
SNIP
Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.
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There are many of thoughtful enlightened Phils families even among the the most poorest but its an overall stunted culture.[/QUOTE]An overall STUNTED culture....
I think your post should as well be moved to the 'OMG we are so superior section'.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1842410]I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.[/QUOTE]With due respect, maybe few years back it might have been possible to get attractive / slim girls for all night at 1.5 - 2 k pisos, but not any more IMHO.,even chubby plain jane freelancers demand 1.5k pisos short time if one is lucky,

In nearly 20 years of visiting Angeles constantly I have never seen a true 9 in looks/body in an Angeles gogo or freelancing.

9's in my book are a few pinay pro models, certain famous pinay TV/ movie stars or the type of teenage girl one can sometimes see in famous teen girl bands.

If a true 9 were available in angeles then she would have a que of guys in a bidding war for her services and yes the sky would be the limit amongst our asian friends,

My recent angeles barhop couple of days ago i would have to agree with wrinklefree in his trip report of most gogo girls were 4-5 in looks and body,yet they still thought they were worth 3k-4k pisos short time when asked

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1842406]Mr E. Perhaps you were talking about a baby milk bottle? If so then I can understand that a kid would be laughed at in the US. If you were talking about a bottle of milk that you can buy in a store then I don't understand it. Unless only babies under the age of 2 drink milk in the US.[/QUOTE]Yes sir. I was talking about the baby bottle with the nipple on it, not the bottle that you pour into a cup.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1842347]Yes poor families in third world countries or first world poverty areas do not raise thier kids as would us priveleged fathers with impressives MBA's in the west. I never compare myself to them as I look down my nose.
Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.

What an elitist arrogant out of place post, seriously.[/QUOTE]And that is when we come to the part where you do not know me. See when my child was born I did not have an MBA and me, her, and her mother were living together in one of those first world poverty areas that you mentioned. We used government assistance and struggled to make ends meet. But because I now had a kid and wanted better for her I was forced to better myself. My daughter was born in 1996 and I did not get an MBA until 2005. Just because a person is on ISG now sharing stories from all over the world, does not mean they have been afforded that opportunity their entire lives, nor that they look down on others from different walks of life.

So neither elitist nor arrogant am I. I have lived in the same position as many socio-economically challenged people and to this day do volunteer work to help those trying to escape that type of life.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842426]And that is when we come to the part where you do not know me. See when my child was born I did not have an MBA and me, her, and her mother were living together in one of those first world poverty areas that you mentioned. We used government assistance and struggled to make ends meet. But because I now had a kid and wanted better for her I was forced to better myself. My daughter was born in 1996 and I did not get an MBA until 2005. Just because a person is on ISG now sharing stories from all over the world, does not mean they have been afforded that opportunity their entire lives, nor that they look down on others from different walks of life.

So neither elitist nor arrogant am I. I have lived in the same position as many socio-economically challenged people and to this day do volunteer work to help those trying to escape that type of life.[/QUOTE]Well done Mr E, for bettering yourself and for taking the time to help those less fortunate than ourselves, a lesson I should learn to do more often.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1842358]Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.[/QUOTE]This same custom was applied to Australian schools in the seventies. The milk would be delivered to the school in the early morning and available to drink at morning tea. It was not refrigerated. We drank it warm. And survived.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1842709]This same custom was applied to Australian schools in the seventies. The milk would be delivered to the school in the early morning and available to drink at morning tea. It was not refrigerated. We drank it warm. And survived.

BD.[/QUOTE]I like it straight from the tap of some young MILF's boobie.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1842417]With due respect, maybe few years back it might have been possible to get attractive / slim girls for all night at 1.5 - 2 k pisos, but not any more IMHO.,even chubby plain jane freelancers demand 1.5k pisos short time if one is lucky,[/QUOTE]I agree that it's not as easy anymore as it used to be but it's certainly still possible to find attractive / slim freelancers for a ST for 1 K or a LT for 1. 5 - 2 K.
Last time I was in Angeles was 4 months ago and although it took some effort I had no problems finding them, either on the streets or with the help of chat apps.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1842300] ... [/QUOTE]Nice report Wrinkle. Pretty much in-line with my experience. Interesting note about Jakarta. I wasn't aware of a sauna / spa scene there.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1842300]her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1842410]I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.[/QUOTE]The US has a significantly higher per capita income than South Korea. According to one source the figures are $54 K for US versus $35 K for ROK and $2. 3 K for the PI. Further, the US figure is skewed downward because of factors like the US's urban poor, its rural trash, and the notoriously poor states of Mississippi and Arkansas. Thus it is highly likely that you are more affluent than your Korean counterpart in AC. The Korean government gives generous subsidies to their citizens to invest in overseas businesses. That is probably the main reason why you see so many Korean businesses in AC. On the other hand the US gov't generally discourages foreign investment.

WrinkleFree's experience with the 9 asking for 30 k. I have had similar. It's amazing how demanding the (hot) girls here are. The guys must be throwing some serious money around. And it would be foolish to write off the Koreans. I lived in China for 5 years in a city with a quite large Korea town (Shenyang) and from my experience, they are nearly as crafty as the Chinese in terms of finances. Plus it could be like China where a lot of gray money is exchanging hands. The average monthly salary in China is $750 or something yet many young people in the cities have the latest phones, designer bags and sometimes cars while "rich" Americans who work there are taking subways, using flip phones and still have less in the bank. It just doesn't add up.

I went to China just before the good times ended, 2009. Back when you girls would just throw themselves at you. Sadly, it seems like the same thing that happened there has happened here. I've heard that it's even worse in Thailand now, too. And several other mongering destinations.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1843042]The US has a significantly higher per capita income than South Korea. According to one source the figures are $54 K for US versus $35 K for ROK and $2. 3 K for the PI. Further, the US figure is skewed downward because of factors like the US's urban poor, its rural trash, and the notoriously poor states of Mississippi and Arkansas. [/QUOTE]Actually, per capita income, which is a "mean" (numeric average) rather than a "median," is skewed upward by the "one percent" of the American population that earn astronomically huge incomes. In other words, when a society's income is more equitably distributed, there may be more individuals within a society who can afford to partake of Philippine sex tourism. When incomes are not equitably distributed, there will be a smaller proportion of the male population who can afford Philippine sex tourism, but there may be a wealthy handful who have exorbitant amounts of money to throw around once they arrive. Income distribution in the United States is quite inequitably distributed as compared to other industrialized countries. I am making a point here about the math rather than an ideological point.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1843104]Actually, per capita income, which is a "mean" (numeric average) rather than a "median," is skewed.[/QUOTE]Your point is well taken. However, a website I researched had the median per capita income of the US as $15.5 k and RoK as $11.3 k and the PI as $478. The median US person has 27% more income than median Korean. That is a significant difference. I lived in Korea for four years. My observations, corroborated by these figures, are that the average (or median if you prefer) USAer is significantly better off than his counterpart in Korea. There is a mythology that the Koreans as well as the Japanese are more affluent than the Users and it is just that: mythology.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1843156]Your point is well taken. However, a website I researched had the median per capita income of the US as $15.5 k and RoK as $11.3 k and the PI as $478. The median US person has 27% more income than median Korean. That is a significant difference. I lived in Korea for four years. My observations, corroborated by these figures, are that the average (or median if you prefer) USAer is significantly better off than his counterpart in Korea. There is a mythology that the Koreans as well as the Japanese are more affluent than the Users and it is just that: mythology.[/QUOTE]I agree with your conclusion. Thanks for presenting the median numbers. IMHO these are much more meaningful figures. Another consideration in comparing Korean mongers spending power relative to us Yanks is that airfare from Korea is much less than from anywhere in the states.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1843156]Your point is well taken. However, a website I researched had the median per capita income of the US as $15.5 k and RoK as $11.3 k and the PI as $478. The median US person has 27% more income than median Korean. That is a significant difference.[/QUOTE]I think that should be 37% (instead of 27).

But anyway it doesn't mean anything because you have to take the price levels of the US and RoK into consideration as well. Maybe a Korean can buy the same or even more with his income than an American because the price levels in Korea are lower.

I agree as well. I think it just takes more work. Last time I was in Angeles I picked up a girl from High Society. Cute 18 year old girl. Paid for drinks for her and all her friends. In the morning she didn't ask to be "paid", but when she was leaving she said "No tip? I gave her 1 k as I already spent quite a bit the night before on her and her 4 friends. Next day she texted me and wanted to meet up with me again. Unfortunately I already had plans. This was I guess technically LT because she stayed over night, but it was only 4 or 5 hrs since we got back from High Society at 3 am and she wanted to leave at 7:30 am. Shagged twice during that time. Just a little proof that you can still pick up decent girls for a decent price.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1842873]I agree that it's not as easy anymore as it used to be but it's certainly still possible to find attractive / slim freelancers for a ST for 1 K or a LT for 1. 5 - 2 K.
Last time I was in Angeles was 4 months ago and although it took some effort I had no problems finding them, either on the streets or with the help of chat apps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1843752]I think that should be 37% (instead of 27). [/QUOTE]US person v. Korean = 100*15.5 k-11.3 k)/15.5 K≈27%. Thus an American has 27% more than a Korean. On the other hand:

Korean v. US person = 100 ($15.5 k-11.3 k)/11.3 k≈37%. Thus a Korean has 37% less than an American. The difference is one of point of view.

Koreans pay more for fuel and food for sure and in a country with a dearth of natural resources, doubtless they pay through the nose for materials. Although they raise most of their own animals, they have to import the feed from the US. And they import less fertilizer because they use night soil. Disgusting!

[QUOTE=Kazeu;1843761]I agree as well. I think it just takes more work. Last time I was in Angeles I picked up a girl from High Society. Cute 18 year old girl. Paid for drinks for her and all her friends. In the morning she didn't ask to be "paid", but when she was leaving she said "No tip? I gave her 1 k as I already spent quite a bit the night before on her and her 4 friends. Next day she texted me and wanted to meet up with me again. Unfortunately I already had plans. This was I guess technically LT because she stayed over night, but it was only 4 or 5 hrs since we got back from High Society at 3 am and she wanted to leave at 7:30 am. Shagged twice during that time. Just a little proof that you can still pick up decent girls for a decent price.[/QUOTE]You said " she said "No tip? I gave her 1 k as I already spent quite a bit the night before on her and her 4 friends. ".

How much do you normally tip?

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1843161]I agree with your conclusion. Thanks for presenting the median numbers. IMHO these are much more meaningful figures. Another consideration in comparing Korean mongers spending power relative to us Yanks is that airfare from Korea is much less than from anywhere in the states.[/QUOTE]May I kindly request that this statistical discussion on the economies of the US and Korea goes elsewhere.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1842368]While in Kenya, Africa, I was going to school there, milk used to be delivered to the schools during the afternoon recess. No laughing matter.[/QUOTE]How is this relevant to the Angeles City forum thread.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1844001]May I kindly request that this statistical discussion on the economies of the US and Korea goes elsewhere.[/QUOTE]The issue here if you had read the fucking forum was that the wealth of Korean punters is overstated. The supposed greater affluence of Koreans is used to explain any number of problems, real and imagined, that occidentals have in AC. The point is that it just ain't so. Please interpret this discussion in that context. I regret any assault on your sensibilities that this may cause you. Ultimately there is some good news here for you since you are not responsible for policing the forum and you have the option of ignoring posts that don't affect the tumidity of your pecker.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1844000]You said " she said "No tip? I gave her 1 k as I already spent quite a bit the night before on her and her 4 friends. ".

How much do you normally tip?[/QUOTE]This was a freelance girl. By saying he spent on them the night before he means he bought food and drinks. The "tip" she was mentioning was actually payment for services and not money above regular payment.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1844055]The issue here if you had read the fucking forum was that the wealth of Korean punters is overstated. The supposed greater affluence of Koreans is used to explain any number of problems, real and imagined, that occidentals have in AC. The point is that it just ain't so. Please interpret this discussion in that context. I regret any assault on your sensibilities that this may cause you. Ultimately there is some good news here for you since you are not responsible for policing the forum and you have the option of ignoring posts that don't affect the tumidity of your pecker.[/QUOTE]The wealth of K punters, dick size, health, culture, it all belongs in the Korean Forums or in the PI General Information forum.

What belongs in the AC forum is AC info. K side issues don't belong here. It's not rocket science.

When a side issue grows legs responsible BMs should move the conversation to the proper forum.

Because wrecking the AC forum w / superfluous non AC ground info is constantly taking place I will stand w / Fastpiston and post it here.

Of course it's a lost cause to try and keep the AC forum about the current AC scene. This forum is close to useless. Boring too.

Having a great time here, I like being out of the main real tourist area make for more relaxing and better environment, alright you got to spend sometimes the odd 100 pesos on trikes. Last night didn't fancy drinking, I am not a heavy drinker, I just texted a girl I met previously in a gogo I liked and she got on a trike straight to my hotel, and I paid the papas on the bike the bee fine, had one of the best nights ever as she still wanted to party so we went to a local Philippine bar and met up with her friends and went on to a bar on fields and partied some more and I only paid normal prices for the drinks, and danced the night away, she is still with me sleeping it off. Been here a week and you got to have to spend your money to enjoy all that Angeles has to offer, no complaints from me!

[QUOTE=Socker;1844099]The wealth of K punters, dick size, health, culture, it all belongs in the Korean Forums or in the PI General Information forum.

What belongs in the AC forum is AC info. K side issues don't belong here. It's not rocket science.

When a side issue grows legs responsible BMs should move the conversation to the proper forum.

Because wrecking the AC forum w / superfluous non AC ground info is constantly taking place I will stand w / Fastpiston and post it here.

Of course it's a lost cause to try and keep the AC forum about the current AC scene. This forum is close to useless. Boring too.[/QUOTE]If it don't apply - - Let it fly.

Everything in AC is getting more expensive every month. This is largely due to people overpaying and barfines skyrocketing. Also they are watching the girls like a hawk to prevent fishing (Sneaking out). Fine!

Girls in Manila quote 6,000 - 4,000 short time which is 10% of the average yearly salary. (Super Crazy) Thus in essence the girl could survive well off of 2 short times a month!

In AC 3,000 -2,000 is the normal quoted price for short time even though their barfines is only that much. I only pay 770 for short time and might throw in 100-200 more only if the girl doesn't have an orgasm.

This is becoming harder to do so. Fine, I set up 5 freebies from the internet this week. Didn't pay for more than dinner each time. Plus the sex was better and sweeter.

The massage girls on the street look hot but all of them are sick or broken in some way.

My recommendation to you is skip the bars and walking street altogether and start tagging freebies.

One more thing you can easily do to protest this horrible situation is STOP buying Korean Products, NO more Samsung, LG, Kymco, KIA, etc. Also express your dislike to everyone you meet about how crappy Korean products are. When did Korean products become popular anyway?

If you are having problems finding freebies, just use WeChat, Tinder, Badoo, Date In Asia, Filipino Dating and about 20 more just like them.

Promise them the world and lie through your teeth. If you don't. This situation will get worse.

Good Luck and Happy Mongering!

For you flamers, if you are employed by a bar or have any vested interest in the prices rising in AC then your opinion is unnecessary. Other People who preach price hiking on this forum are either unintelligent or just trying to spend all of their money before they die.

Prices go up, girls have to work less, they become lazy, service goes down, they become selective and everything turns to crap. I have seen this happen in 10 countries already. Don't let it happen in the Philippines!

Have to agree master monger that Angeles is a shadow of its former self and has been for a few years.

I think its fair to say that attractive / young / slim girls are in very short supply in Angeles gogo bars, these very few girls have many choices, many guys chasing them, many guys willing to put up with their bullshit, most of these girl earn high amounts from their daily salary and hustling expensive lady drinks,tips without having to barfine with anyone unless it is for barhop only purposes with no sex.

Some girls will do all of the above but will sometimes barfine too,they are very selective and only accept a very limited number of bar fines per month and only to the very high rollers who think nothing of splashing the cash.

Years back I would see many guys at breakfast, sitting by the pool with last nights bar girl and most were young and hot, now days I don't see any hot / young girl at breakfast or relaxing by the pool with their punters because most hot girl if one can get the princesses to barfine at all will stay only for 1 pop at best and want to leave, yes I do see some guys with 30+ worn out mummys at breakfast or by the pool who have stayed long time but to be honest what other choice did the lady have, no one in their right mind was going to be buying them multiple lady drinks so they could earn enough to stay in the bar only.

On every Angeles monger board we have the guys with a monetary agenda to bang the Angeles drum, they post, stunning girls available for 1000 pesos, all girls stay long time, never had a runner, never had a girl refuse to barfine, all girls gave multiple pops, Angeles is the best mongering destination in Asia, its the cheapest in Asia, the food is great, Angeles has many activities apart from bar fining, totally safe to walk around even at night, Angeles never had bar raids, no foreigners were ever arrested in raids, girls do not set punters up in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] scams / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] scams / money scams, trike drivers are honest, they would never over charge, no pickpockets on jeepneys etc, all I can say is its all total bullshit and designed to put as many newbie bums on bar stalls as possible imho.

Can one still get laid in Angeles, absolutely yes, she might not be a stunner and one might have to search multiple bars,accept rejection, lower expectations, pay high prices and expect short time 1 pop is the normal from any girls that are remotely cute.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1843993]US person v. Korean = 100*15.5 k-11.3 k)/15.5 K≈27%. Thus an American has 27% more than a Korean. On the other hand:

Korean v. US person = 100 ($15.5 k-11.3 k)/11.3 k≈37%. Thus a Korean has 37% less than an American. The difference is one of point of view.

Koreans pay more for fuel and food for sure and in a country with a dearth of natural resources, doubtless they pay through the nose for materials. Although they raise most of their own animals, they have to import the feed from the US. And they import less fertilizer because they use night soil. Disgusting![/QUOTE]Pompetus this is crazy math, respectfully.

The mongers are showing up in AC from both countries. This is the AC forum by the way, and the sex tourists are not the hypothetically 'average' male inhabitants of the country. Its the ones with the wherewithal, drive, motivatiations, personal and / or business relationships, geographical proximity, etc etc I could go on forever.

Korea has multiple daily flights to AC I am sure they are cheap. Its a 4 hour flight. I have flown many flights from the US, east coast by the way in which my 30 to 40 hour round trips last leg was a trip from Incheon etc. To Manila Then I have to get to AC by taxi bus etc I have taken them all. There are no flights from the eastern USA directly AC for under $2000 to $3000 + ever. So these relatively 'poor' koreans spend infinitely less money and time than we do to get there first of all and can go for a simple weekend.

In addition they have a huge language barrier when communicating with the girls compared to english speakers. They are forced to throw more money at the girls because they can't seduce them as english speakers can.

The clark economic zone and AC in general has much more Korean business people on expense accounts there than americans IMO.

Koreans that go there are not 'poorer' than Americans or Australians etc, but they have different issues. More Koreans than Americans percentage wise are in AC on local BUSINESS. That frees up personal cash if you are there on the companys dime.

Just food for thought that goes beyond a per capita analysis of the relative spending power of 2 countries mongers.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1844467]Just food for thought that goes beyond a per capita analysis of the relative spending power of 2 countries mongers.[/QUOTE]The entire analysis is faulty. Who says that any of that is representative of a typical sex tourist from that country? Might as well be throwing darts. The simple fact is that they tend to spend more money because they'd rather get the girl they want. While some guys here are very budget conscious and want value for money, some of us don't have the time to spend hours in a bar, wait until closing, etc. Paying 500-1000 pesos more just isn't worth the time or hassle.

I'm sure if we all calculated our hourly pay, we lose more by spending time hunting the prey and playing the game. So I don't mind paying up sometimes if that results in a more efficient transaction. I lose more by being indecisive or sitting around. Many are in the same shoes.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]Everything in AC is getting more expensive every month. This is largely due to people overpaying and barfines skyrocketing. Also they are watching the girls like a hawk to prevent fishing (Sneaking out). Fine!

Girls in Manila quote 6,000 - 4,000 short time which is 10% of the average yearly salary. (Super Crazy) Thus in essence the girl could survive well off of 2 short times a month!

In AC 3,000 -2,000 is the normal quoted price for short time even though their barfines is only that much.[/QUOTE]I am also dismayed w / the trends. If the increases were coming at a reasonable pace it would be easier to accept but things are just out of control (especially) in AC. You can't even blame the big bars as the expats like to do. The increases are coming from the bottom up IMO. One really can't blame the tourist as they are short on time and some do not want to do w / out the pussy of their dreams, hence throw money at it. It seems to me supply and demand are out of whack probably due to cheap airfares, and word of mouth. Right now some newbie is just realizing the possibilities from exploring this website. Everything human related is moving faster than ever before and so the point and click days are a little more problematic.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]. Fine, I set up 5 freebies from the internet this week. Didn't pay for more than dinner each time. Plus the sex was better and sweeter.

The massage girls on the street look hot but all of them are sick or broken in some way.

My recommendation to you is skip the bars and walking street altogether and start tagging freebies.[/QUOTE]Tourist can do this and I'm sure you can have your fun. The two reasons I don't go this route is # 1. I'm not going to lie to the lady about a potential romance. 2. This is the biggest reason, non pro who will fuck you are no near as good looking as gogo girls. So as is w / most commodities in life "you get what you pay for". I will pay for a newish bargirl, I will tell we are going to have fun and then I am going to fuck her good. I like my odds w / the bargirl as opposed to a so called non pro.

The sex might be better sometimes when these mid tier ladies are hungry and want repeat business, not to mention a potential hubby. But they never look as good as a sexy bargirl.

I stick w / FLs, gogo girls, beer bar girls, the latter 2 are expensive but can be long term side lines if you can charm them. Your initial cost is high after that they have your number (no BF) for when they are hungry and I find many are always hungry.

AC might price me out of their market. I will miss the little dump.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]One more thing you can easily do to protest this horrible situation is STOP buying Korean Products, NO more Samsung, LG, Kymco, KIA, etc. Also express your dislike to everyone you meet about how crappy Korean products are. When did Korean products become popular anyway?[/QUOTE]Now this I like, LOL, I'll start telling my friends to boycott K products. Excellent!

I will add that generalizations apply to all races. When I'm running around fucking the killer pussy in the PI I treat all Philippines w / respect. I want them to want me there in the PI fucking that good PI pussy, and I get the impression they want me to stick around. So in a nutshell there is a fair percentage of bargirls that like westerners for their fun loving personalities and that most are not Cheap Charlies. I do my part in creating a positive impression of westerners, are you?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]Promise them the world and lie through your teeth. If you don't. This situation will get worse.[/QUOTE]This is where I get off the bus. I'm not going to hurt some little pinay's feeling to get my dick wet. Life is already tough enough for them.

Otherwise Master Monger is spot on IMO. There is always a way to get over I think is the general message here.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1844478]The entire analysis is faulty. Who says that any of that is representative of a typical sex tourist from that country? Might as well be throwing darts. The simple fact is that they tend to spend more money because they'd rather get the girl they want. While some guys here are very budget conscious and want value for money, some of us don't have the time to spend hours in a bar, wait until closing, etc. Paying 500-1000 pesos more just isn't worth the time or hassle.

I'm sure if we all calculated our hourly pay, we lose more by spending time hunting the prey and playing the game. So I don't mind paying up sometimes if that results in a more efficient transaction. I lose more by being indecisive or sitting around. Many are in the same shoes.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure I have more money than most Koreans and even other foreigners for that matter. To be honest if I pay 770 or I pay 3000 I still probably won't spend all the money I have in the bank by the time I die.

Not the point!

Let me put it in a perspective you can understand. Let's say you were a private consultant. Let's say you started only making $20 an hour. You would have to work hard and provide good service just to pay your bills and survive. Now let's say the market changed and you were now making $120 an hour. Now you would have to work a sixth of the time and you could pass on many jobs. You could even provide less service because you wouldn't be afraid of losing some work.

Do you understand? Simple economics. If you continue to pay more service will continue to decline. Stop paying too much, stop making excuses for your ignorance. If you want to be generous, give a gift but stay strong on the cash you give them to keep them hungry and providing good service. I give Jewelry, Perfume, Lip Gloss, Sex Toys, KY Jelly, Sexy Clothes, and Chocolate.

If the prices keep going up and service declines, people will choose Indonesia or Even South America over the Philippines, I have seen this happen in Thailand, China, Costa Rica, USA, Japan, Korea, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Give gifts! Not cash! Or watch the Philippines pay 4 play market crash and burn.

We can control it, not the bar owners and not the girls. If we stop providing them with the cash they will be forced to work 50-60 hours a week for $200-300 a month. The lazy girls will be back to $30 a day for longtime in no time!

Be Smart protect the market! Free sex is easily had in the Philippines, most Filipino guys are horrible people so the girls cherish a little respect and good sexual skills!

Not sure what's going on with the Koreans, men. Just saw a 9. 5/10 on a trike with a K-man, 40+, fat. Was driving with my girl in my Z3 when we stopped next to them in a traffic jam. Rolled down the window, lowered my shades and looked at them, confused. "What. The. ".

Apparently Samsung makes mind control drugs, too.

Money talks. They overpay and allegedly have small dicks which mean less work for lazy chicks.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1844553]Not sure what's going on with the Koreans, men. Just saw a 9. 5/10 on a trike with a K-man, 40+, fat. Was driving with my girl in my Z3 when we stopped next to them in a traffic jam. Rolled down the window, lowered my shades and looked at them, confused. "What. The. ".

Apparently Samsung makes mind control drugs, too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cool;1844563]Money talks. They overpay and alledgedly have small dicks which mean less work.

For lazy chicks.[/QUOTE]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844590]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?[/QUOTE]Who knows, maybe you're a quickie or related to Trump. Not sure how any of this is useful info on the AC thread. At the end of the day, it comes down to the size of your piggy bank, your corporate account or your pension. Some of us have more or less wealth vs the next person. And hopefully everyone is living within their means.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844590]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?[/QUOTE]Rugged good looks and exceptional intelligence?

Why the Koreans have more money to spend. Just some thoughts in general.

1. Their flight is much shorter and thus cheaper and I believe their discount airline has direct flights to AC now.

2. Many cultures brag about getting the best girl for the cheapest price. Korean culture is more about spending the most money as if that dictates they have the best girl.

3. The largest monthly expense for most people is their mortgage / rent. Koreans many times continue to live with mommy and daddy until they get married in their mid to late twenties. Thus, saving big money.

4. The largest reason you see the Koreans in groups is business. It is expected to take out business partners / customers / suppliers to build bonds. It is OK for them to take these groups to girlie bars while in my country I would lose my job doing the same thing. Koreans can take associates to A. See. And write it off as a business expense. It is very hard for you and I to compete against Samsung's and Hyundai's business credit card.

Girls preference for Koreans:

Girls like the Koreans because they either go diving first thing in the morning if they are at beach resorts or they go golfing many times in the morning so the get rid of the girls either that night or first thing in the morning.

Koreans do not like to rock the boat like more individualistic cultures so they are less likely to say anything about being overcharged drinks and girls demanding large tips.

I am white and I barhop with a Korean guy and some of his buddies at times. We get the strangest looks. Sometimes it is just him and I and the girls get scared like we are NBI (national police).

I don't really like lying to the girls but it is a perfect solution to curb providing business to the overpriced bars and girls who want to offer less service.

Most of us mongers have had a lot of practice at making love. Therefore, we are quite good at sex, we know exactly how to give the girl the orgasm.

I may lie to the girl, but I still treat them with the utmost respect (other than the lying).

When the girl comes back to your hotel room that fast she kinda knows the score.

If you are amazing at sex and make the girl cum like a river, they at that point, don't believe it is possible for her to be your long term girlfriend or wife. You are giving her a lifetime memory of a great sexual experience, she is better off for it.

Bottom line they are not angry after this, and they are happy to have known you.

On the rare occasion I don't give them an orgasm, I give them a nice gift or provide some monetary reward for the experience they gave me.

Hey Socker, I think I am a pretty good guy and girls like me. I usually have 1 or 2 girlfriends each trip but now I switched my plan to only freebies. Don't blame me, blame the market!

Most of us mongers have had a lot of practice at making love. Therefore, we are quite good at sex, we know exactly how to give the girl the orgasm.

*Most guys just want their own rocks off and do not care much if the girl gets her's off. I drive to work every day but hardly consider myself a great driver like I could enter NASCAR or Formula Racing. So I hardly doubt many of us here are porn star material. But we wish.

I may lie to the girl, but I still treat them with the utmost respect (other than the lying).

*If you respected them you would not play with their feelings and lie to them. That is lack of respect. I know many guys and girls that have both been devastated by these games. I can not respect anyone that has to stoop so low as to be twice someone's age and play with someone's feelings. Those scars last a lifetime. Plus, one lie always leads to another and another.

When the girl comes back to your hotel room that fast she kinda knows the score.

*Very true.

If you are amazing at sex and make the girl cum like a river, they at that point, don't believe it is possible for her to be your long term girlfriend or wife. You are giving her a lifetime memory of a great sexual experience, she is better off for it.

*If you were that good you would not have to leave your country. Word would get out about your ability to gush rivers for them and they would pass you from friend to friend. It is about getting married and / or money. Go try your same techniques with a Filipino that now lives another country and they will not give you the time of day. Any guy with money will have more girls than some hot hunk in each and every country including mine and yours.

Bottom line they are not angry after this, and they are happy to have known you.

*You are more than amazing plus infinity to believe this.

I have been in Asia for quite sometime, the girls need to be lied to even slightly forced sometimes to protect their dignity and reputation. Some Asian countries will not investigate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charges of any girl who voluntarily goes home with a man after midnight. It is all just BS and after you get your finger or your penis into her a little bit she is totally on board.

Anyway, it boils down to how you think about sex. Do you believe girls need sex too? Do you believe girls like sex? I only go out with girls under 23. Most girls at this age want to have some good experiences before they get married.

Sometimes, while I am removing a girls clothes I tell her nothing is happening. I say "We are not going to have sex. " "I am only removing all of your clothes to make you more comfortable. " I have heard them say a thousand times as I slip my cock in the girl. "Hey, you said we were not going to have sex. "

All players lie, and all girls know players lie. Don't hate the player hate the game.

The Philippines is a dangerous place to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a girl and you should make sure the girls want to have sex or at least make it enjoyable for them. I perform cunnilingus on all girls even when they "say" they don't want it.

I would prefer to get the girls from a bar or a brothel, but not if the quality and service is lacking. So, I am forced to get them from other locations.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844590]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?[/QUOTE]Because their whole family needs money desperately.

They don't know the actual size of your dick until after they have gone with you and they don't know how much money they will eventually extract from you until after the fact. In Angeles the eventual payment is not explicitly spelled out upfront.

Unless you are a young guy and banging young pinays or an older guy taking mommas, or an old man seducing their lolas, we all pay for it in the Phils. How much is up to us.

To read some of the posts and what some believe on mongers boards leaves me speech less at times.

Here are some thoughts.

The prostitute could not care one way or the other is she comes, she is there 100% for the money, she is not the slightest bit attracted to much older mostly fat men, take away the money and that prostitute would not even say Hello, let alone fuck us, most girls have young good looking pinoy boyfriends / husbands that give them all the pleasure they want, all that deep moaning and honey your so big and honey your so good in bed is bullshit to extract more pesos from us.

As far as Koreans, I do a lot of business with Koreans, sometimes have to entertain them on barhops so probably know a little, Koreans like to drink, like to be around girls in bars, like to show off both to the girls and their pals / work friends, it gives them status they think, its not a matter of how much they earn its a matter of they are some times willing to spend large to gain status.

Ever wondered why in most large Angeles gogos one sees 4-5 Koreans with a table full of girls and drinks, as has been said its on business expense accounts, very cool to spend big, very uncool to leave with a prostitute in front of your bosses / work friends so what is for the Angeles girls not to like, they earn large lady drink commissions, get fed and tipped all without having to leave the bar.

Koreans that are in town on their own money and want to bar fine are again a good bet for the girls, they are normally much younger / slimmer / well dressed than most westerners, willing to accept 1 pop deal and pay high prices for it, what's not to like?

when i walk into an Angeles gogo bar on my own or with western pals the girls do not take any notice,some not even getting up to dance or to make room for us to sit,when i enter a bar with Koreans the girls go absolutely nuts,you would think the girls had won the lottery,

Master Monger,

Asian girls need to be lied to? Need to be slightly forced?

Have to totally disagree, keep up with the lying and the forcing and some girl is going to scream I was raped, then the only one who will be fucked is you.

Please guys / newbies, treat all pinays with respect, do not build their hopes up if you have no intentions, a woman scorned can be a nightmare especially a pinay.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1844913]Master Monger,

Asian girls need to be lied to? Need to be slightly forced?

Have to totally disagree, keep up with the lying and the forcing and some girl is going to scream i was raped, then the only one who will be fucked is you.

Please guys / newbies, treat all pinays with respect, do not build their hopes up if you have no intentions, a woman scorned can be a nightmare especially a pinay.[/QUOTE]I can already see PinayPounder marching with a huge club in his hand!

Humor aside, I have to agree that lying to a working girl is pretty low.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1844913]
Asian girls need to be lied to? Need to be slightly forced?

Have to totally disagree, keep up with the lying and the forcing and some girl is going to scream i was raped, then the only one who will be fucked is you.[/QUOTE]They love the (totally transparent) lying, and all girls, Asian or otherwise love a little bit of force. "It just happened".

The girl who screams rrape is not the girl who was raped, but the girl who regrets sleeping with you. Not that I have ever raped anyone, but on the other hand, except for working girls, never have I received consent in a form that would make a college feminist happy.

Just spent ten minutes writing a reply, which agreed with these sentences. It suddenly disapeared. I'm too lazy to try again, but just want to say that we all attach different meanings to the words.There iis a lot of different interpretation regarding words like "lie" and "force". The original poster could have chosen his words more carefully, after all we don't want some newbie getting the wrong idea.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1845514]They love the (totally transparent) lying, and all girls, Asian or otherwise love a little bit of force. "It just happened".

The girl who screams rrape is not the girl who was raped, but the girl who regrets sleeping with you. Not that I have ever raped anyone, but on the other hand, except for working girls, never have I received consent in a form that would make a college feminist happy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1845098]I can already see PinayPounder marching with a huge club in his hand!

Humor aside, I have to agree that lying to a working girl is pretty low.[/QUOTE]And what could possibly be the point? He better hope that the girls on whom he uses a little force don't happen to report abuse to the nearest cop.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1845573]And what could possibly be the point? He better hope that the girls on whom he uses a little force don't happen to report abuse to the nearest cop.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE the reference I made to PP was in good humor. PP has often stood out in defense of these wonderful women who get tricked, cheated and lied to by insincere men. And he has made it pretty clear in his posts that he will leave no stone unturned in bringing the perpetrator to justice in his own way. I do hope he reads these posts.

Let me make my stand clear, lest I give the wrong impression. I am NOT in favor of lying to these girls or any girl for the matter. Use of force in any manner, physical or emotional is completely wrong in my books and I will not stand for it. These women entertain us only for money. And they do it because they need the money so badly. The least we can do is treat them with some dignity.