Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Ready Ru;1473837]The highlight of my trip[/QUOTE]Is this not the same Eva that Cubadave banged some time ago? He's got pics and vids of her all over his website. If I recall she used to work at CMP.

[QUOTE=Ready Ru;1473834]She's oh so hot![/QUOTE]I'm starting to see more fake boobs in the DR. I had a Haitian babe in Sosua try to come on to me in July and she had them and also ran into a chica with fake boobs at Pure in SDQ not long ago.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1473852]Nice photos Ready Ru. What hotel is this again?[/QUOTE]Casa Cayena

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz; That look is just the DR look. Those women are all hardcore. Not soft and sweet like Philapinas. They had some nicer ones hanging around later though. I did not care about the pool. [/QUOTE]
I 3rd that agreement, all hardcore putas in the DR no matter what act they try to put on, they were made to be nailed to the cross. I too confine my time with Philippinas in the PI and Dubai. DR burned me and my wallet out.

[quote=jayjet;1473882]is this not the same eva that cubadave banged some time ago? he's got pics and vids of her all over his website. if i recall she used to work at cmp.[/quote]eva definetly still works at cmp. me & my friends were in cmp last week and i told her i remember her from the internet (cuba dave). i apologize about not reporting, taking care of some health issues. i was in dr for about 3 weeks. quick summary of things i investigated for myself. one, sosua beach highly over rated. i was there on a friday, saturday & sunday. i spent more than 6 hours on those specific days at the beach. i could count on 1 hand the number of girls worthy of my time. that is one venue, i will leave off on future trips. no, never again. two, in reference to the cialis / viagra bargains, not worth my time. i read on this board something about 900 something pills for 900 something pesos. according to everyone i spoke to, totally bs and not worth my time or money. on to actually facts. this was my first trip to sosua after going to dr since 2007. everything in respect to the girls, the amount, is 100 percent accurate. i have read on this board, that one can actually stand still and get approached. well, i now know this is so very true. i stayed at the new garden and i don't think i'll stay anywhere else. everyone has their opinion and i just stated mine. i just checked into my room and wanted to take a walk outside to get to know my surroundings. two steps onto the sidewalk from ng and wham. two hot girls already on my shoulder. it took everything for me to say, not now. i wanted to get to know what is nearby. i knew, i was going to be there for more than 2 weeks, i would have time to hook up with them again. rumbas, d'latinos, after one was as advertised. i was there almost every night, getting back to the room around 5 am / 6 am. i met a lot of kool guys especially from my neck of the woods here in ny. before i left dr already scheduled my next 2 trips back to sosua. to end this, the highlight of my trip, met a non-pro in sosua. i have read on this board, guys hooking up with girls and the girls not asking for any money. i was said to myself wow, i wish something like that could happen to me. well, i don't have to wish for that any longer. to summarize, the girl is from santiago. she came to sosua with one of her girlfriends who is a pro. my new friend went to rumbas, d'latins, & after one and said no to guys all day & night long. she didn't do that type of thing. a minor altercation even happened (after 1) because a couple of guys was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]'d off because the girl rejected the offerings & security had to intervene. well, it just so happened this night, i don't know why, i was in a no, i just wanted to be sotero / alone kind of mood. i was saying to current friends & new friends no, i want to be alone. that was kinda of strange for me. now, i know why i said that. i was in after 1. i previously told another different hot girl, i have to think about us hooking up. i say let me think about it for 10 minutes. this girl walks away & says she'll be back, thinking i am a definite lock in. i finally get the attention of my new friend who was dancing very sexy with herself. she walks over & says yes, she's by herself. the previous hot girl walks back over & sees me talking to my new friend & gives me that jealous look. we (my new friend) talk & talk & talk, she says all the guys here in sosua are all the same. i explain to her the nature of sosua & why guys are there & want they want. we wind up hooking up, she is dancing with me, throwing her body to me like no one has. she is dfk me. when i walk away (bathroom break) guys are saying, i was trying to hook up with girl. i got no where. i say that how things happen sometimes. me & my new friend hook up & the sex / love making amazing. she hasn't been with a man for over 8 months (hubby died 8 months ago). wow. every hour she wants to do something & i am up for the task. to top this off she doesn't ask for any money. i definetly hook with her a couple more time before i go & in constant contact with her everyday. sosua is an awesome place, one major regret. i wish i had done this years ago. peace, love & happiness. senor aqua man

[QUOTE=JayJet;1473882]Is this not the same Eva that Cubadave banged some time ago? He's got pics and vids of her all over his website. If I recall she used to work at CMP.[/QUOTE]That would make sense. Is she Haitian? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAEXq9XskHI[/url]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1474230]That would make sense. Is she Haitian?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAEXq9XskHI[/url][/QUOTE]Damn, same bikini and everything!

Ready Ru, are the photos you posted from Cuba Dave then? Or does this babe not own more than one bikini?

The person holding the video camera in that youtube video must be a girl or gay. At 1:54 they only show us a millisecond of "below the waist", and then refuses to "go down there" the rest of the video.

I have had the same experience in Sosua. There are so many women you can find almost anything you want. If you want to sport fuck no problem. If you want to wife up you will have no problem. The key is your attitude. Not every thing is perfect but the benefits are amazing.

[QUOTE=Senorsauceboy; 1474170]Eva definetly still works at CMP. Me & my friends were in CMP last week and I told her I remember her from the internet (Cuba Dave). I apologize about not reporting, taking care of some health issues. I was in DR for about 3 weeks. Quick summary of things I investigated for myself. One, Sosua Beach highly over rated. I was there on a Friday, Saturday & Sunday. I spent more than 6 hours on those specific days at the beach. I could count on 1 hand the number of girls worthy of my time. That is one venue, I will leave off on future trips. No, never again. Two, in reference to the Cialis / Viagra bargains, not worth my time. I read on this board something about 900 something pills for 900 so

[QUOTE=JayJet;1473882]Is this not the same Eva that Cubadave banged some time ago? He's got pics and vids of her all over his website. If I recall she used to work at CMP.[/QUOTE]Yea, she's the same girl. I asked her about Cuba Dave and she said he used her images in the videos without her permission. She also said she never had sex with him. She also said she had a bridge from DR to Cuba she would sell me. Jajaja. What difference does it make, Its Sosua. Yes she works at CMP club, or something like that. Yes she has more than 1 bathing suit, and yes I have many nude photos of her and me together. She is obviously of Haitian decent even though she lives in Santa Domingo (aren't they all) and her two last names are as Spanish as my ex-wife. Yes her tits are fake, but the rest of her body is as hard as they are. God she was great! She's a classy lady and entertainer and she makes love like a dream. I've had many women in many countries and all I can say is Never fall in love!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1474242]Damn, same bikini and everything!

Ready Ru, are the photos you posted from Cuba Dave then? Or does this babe not own more than one bikini?

The person holding the video camera in that youtube video must be a girl or gay. At 1:54 they only show us a millisecond of "below the waist", and then refuses to "go down there" the rest of the video.[/QUOTE]If you've ever been to this hotel you'll know that these photos are taken by the pool there. I relooked up Cuba dave adventures when I got home, and in the article I read about her, he said she left town before he was able to hook up with her. Who knows. I'm sure she wasn't a virgin when I met her and neither am I.

in general, the beach in sosua is not a great place to find chicas. but it's nevertheless a nice beach and imo it makes sosua a more attractive mongering destination.

[quote=senorsauceboy;1474170]eva definetly still works at cmp. me & my friends were in cmp last week and i told her i remember her from the internet (cuba dave). i apologize about not reporting, taking care of some health issues. i was in dr for about 3 weeks. quick summary of things i investigated for myself. one, sosua beach highly over rated. i was there on a friday, saturday & sunday. i spent more than 6 hours on those specific days at the beach. i could count on 1 hand the number of girls worthy of my time. that is one venue, i will leave off on future trips. no, never again. two, in reference to the cialis / viagra bargains, not worth my time. i read on this board something about 900 something pills for 900 something pesos. according to everyone i spoke to, totally bs and not worth my time or money. on to actually facts. this was my first trip to sosua after going to dr since 2007. everything in respect to the girls, the amount, is 100 percent accurate. i have read on this board, that one can actually stand still and get approached. well, i now know this is so very true. i stayed at the new garden and i don't think i'll stay anywhere else. everyone has their opinion and i just stated mine. i just checked into my room and wanted to take a walk outside to get to know my surroundings. two steps onto the sidewalk from ng and wham. two hot girls already on my shoulder. it took everything for me to say, not now. i wanted to get to know what is nearby. i knew, i was going to be there for more than 2 weeks, i would have time to hook up with them again. rumbas, d'latinos, after one was as advertised. i was there almost every night, getting back to the room around 5 am / 6 am. i met a lot of kool guys especially from my neck of the woods here in ny. before i left dr already scheduled my next 2 trips back to sosua. to end this, the highlight of my trip, met a non-pro in sosua. i have read on this board, guys hooking up with girls and the girls not asking for any money. i was said to myself wow, i wish something like that could happen to me. well, i don't have to wish for that any longer. to summarize, the girl is from santiago. she came to sosua with one of her girlfriends who is a pro. my new friend went to rumbas, d'latins, & after one and said no to guys all day & night long. she didn't do that type of thing. a minor altercation even happened (after 1) because a couple of guys was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]'d off because the girl rejected the offerings & security had to intervene. well, it just so happened this night, i don't know why, i was in a no, i just wanted to be sotero / alone kind of mood. i was saying to current friends & new friends no, i want to be alone. that was kinda of strange for me. now, i know why i said that. i was in after 1. i previously told another different hot girl, i have to think about us hooking up. i say let me think about it for 10 minutes. this girl walks away & says she'll be back, thinking i am a definite lock in. i finally get the attention of my new friend who was dancing very sexy with herself. she walks over & says yes, she's by herself. the previous hot girl walks back over & sees me talking to my new friend & gives me that jealous look. we (my new friend) talk & talk & talk, she says all the guys here in sosua are all the same. i explain to her the nature of sosua & why guys are there & want they want. we wind up hooking up, she is dancing with me, throwing her body to me like no one has. she is dfk me. when i walk away (bathroom break) guys are saying, i was trying to hook up with girl. i got no where. i say that how things happen sometimes. me & my new friend hook up & the sex / love making amazing. she hasn't been with a man for over 8 months (hubby died 8 months ago). wow. every hour she wants to do something & i am up for the task. to top this off she doesn't ask for any money. i definetly hook with her a couple more time before i go & in constant contact with her everyday. sosua is an awesome place, one major regret. i wish i had done this years ago. peace, love & happiness. senor aqua man[/quote]

Yeah, let's not downplay Sosua Beach. I love Sosua Beach albeit not for the women. Sometimes a man just wants to pull up a plastic chair, grad a shot or two of mamajuana, grab a plate of pica pollo, light up a Dominican cigar and chill the fuck out. The ho's back in town can wait.

The beach is a cool place to hang out. Yes there are enough girls to keep you looking. You only need one girl to make your afternoon a success.

[QUOTE=Combo;1474264]In general, the beach in Sosua is not a great place to find chicas. But it's nevertheless a nice beach and IMO it makes Sosua a more attractive mongering destination.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1474264]In general, the beach in Sosua is not a great place to find chicas.[/QUOTE]Maybe not for you, but most of my favorite girls I met at the beach.

The key is patience!

Don't look for the girls, just have a drink and have them come to you.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1474341]Maybe not for you, but most of my favorite girls I met at the beach.

The key is patience!

Don't look for the girls, just have a drink and have them come to you.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you're right. I just generally don't go there in search of chicas because I know there's a motherlode of them waiting for me on in town. Sun, sea, and sand is a nice thing, chicas or not.

[QUOTE=StudBucket; 1472541]Hello fellow mongers. I have been reading this site the last few weeks, and firstly I want to say thank all of you for providing these awesome trip reports, general info, advice on all the different countries. I will definitely share my knowledge and experiences of upcoming and past

Trips.

I need some advice on if it would be safe and advisable for me to travel solo to Sosua. Secondly, where should I hang out to meet fellow

Expats that may be traveling solo once I am there? For example, I read that New Garden would be good to hangout with expats.[/QUOTE]Rockys. Ask for Rick.

[QUOTE=Combo;1474582]I'm sure you're right. I just generally don't go there in search of chicas because I know there's a motherlode of them waiting for me on in town. Sun, sea, and sand is a nice thing, chicas or not.[/QUOTE]The beach in Sosua boring to me too. I only went to the beach twice and each time same result. On the video the guy had on Sosua did you notice the scene on the beach? It wasn't worth the video time compared to the club scene.

I went to a local strip club in the DC suburbs. I compared the club to the action I see in sosua clubs. The local girls on average are older average 25 or so. Attractiveness; the local girls were not bad, They were mostly 7 or better with huge nice asses. I felt like a midget because they all wore 6 inch hills. If the local girls were on the menu I would not have to leave home. The local girls are dedicated street girls. They seem harder then the Sosua girls. My conclusion was that if Icould fuck the local girls for the same money I would be very satisfied. There were about 30 girls in the club and every one was doable.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1474707]My conclusion was that if I could fuck the local girls for the same money I would be very satisfied. There were about 30 girls in the club and every one was doable.[/QUOTE]You did not mention how much the girls in the DC club want. In Atlanta for 40 dollars they will make you holler. I think that is comparable to what guys are giving in DR, and in some cases even less.

Hey folks,

I went to Sosua in March after becoming a member of this forum, thoroughly enjoyed myself. I never created a field report as I lost the site's name and started using **** and another forum and tried looking for my previous posts on the latter which understandibly I could not find.

Anyway I am now thinking of going back to Sosua in October (is that the slow season)? Furthermore I will be staying at Sea Breeze hotel, would you guys recommend it? Stayed at New Garden in my first trip.

I'm on a tight budget (flying in from the UK) so distance / airfare wise I am also thinking of going to monger somewhere in Asia.

Problem is I'm looking for the most bang for my buck but I do have a type and that's curvy women with big butts! So would you all agree that asia isn't an option?

What are the prices like elsewhere in the Caribbean or south America (Colombia, Brazil etc as thought they would be more pricey than sosua)?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474731]You did not mention how much the girls in the DC club want. In Atlanta for 40 dollars they will make you holler. I think that is comparable to what guys are giving in DR, and in some cases even less.[/QUOTE]Brother, I need you to tell me where in Atlanta they're getting down for $40 bucks so I can get on the road, and get down there? Everywhere I've been, they want $100 and up!

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1474807]I'm on a tight budget (flying in from the UK)[/QUOTE]Thailand or Kenya are your cheapest options from the UK but as you say big butts are at a premium in Thailand and there are only black girls in Kenya. (Not a problem for me but not everyone's taste).

Flights from the UK are getting silly. My cheapest was 218 pounds return, included taxes and everything, flying charter in a cattle wagon. I usually paid between three and four hundred pounds which amortized over a two- to four-week stay was reasonable. Those days have gone, but friends of mine from England currently here on a two-week stay saved three hundred pounds flying to Juan Bosch Airport El Catey, Samaná, and hire car from there. Have you looked at that option?

Not sure what you mean by "slow season'. The ratio of chicas to guys remains constant apart from special US holiday weekends like SuperBowl, Thanksgiving, etc. Avoid those and obviously Christmas, New Year and Easter and you will be fine. You will never run out of big butts.

Sosua is likely your cheapest option of the well-known mongering spots in Latin America.

You can find meaty bubble butts in Asia. They certainly aren't the norm, but there are just so many women that you will find what you want if you look.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3; 1474807]Hey folks,

I went to Sosua in March after becoming a member of this forum, thoroughly enjoyed myself. I never created a field report as I lost the site's name and started using * and another forum and tried looking for my previous posts on the latter which understandibly I could not find.

Anyway I am now thinking of going back to Sosua in October (is that the slow season)? Furthermore I will be staying at Sea Breeze hotel, would you guys recommend it? Stayed at New Garden in my first trip.

I'm on a tight budget (flying in from the UK) so distance / airfare wise I am also thinking of going to monger somewhere in Asia.

Problem is I'm looking for the most bang for my buck but I do have a type and that's curvy women with big butts! So would you all agree that asia isn't an option?

What are the prices like elsewhere in the Caribbean or south America (Colombia, Brazil etc as thought they would be more pricey than sosua)?[/QUOTE]

Looking for some info, going to Sosua on Oct 20, after looking at many flights, the best one for price, time and less driving for me is mco to sdq, since I made this same flight 5 years ago, taking the bus from sdq to Sosua is no problem, just a pain in the ass.

What I am looking for is info on leaving Sosua for a 1:15 flight out of sdq, will I be able to catch the bus out of Sosua with plenty of time to get to the airport, would like to be at the airport no later than 11:15am (I leave on the 28th its a Monday, the last time I paid the extra money and took the return flight from pop).

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1474919]Thailand or Kenya are your cheapest options from the UK but as you say big butts are at a premium in Thailand and there are only black girls in Kenya. (Not a problem for me but not everyone's taste).

Flights from the UK are getting silly. My cheapest was 218 pounds return, included taxes and everything, flying charter in a cattle wagon. I usually paid between three and four hundred pounds which amortized over a two- to four-week stay was reasonable. Those days have gone, but friends of mine from England currently here on a two-week stay saved three hundred pounds flying to Juan Bosch Airport El Catey, Samaná, and hire car from there. Have you looked at that option?

Not sure what you mean by "slow season'. The ratio of chicas to guys remains constant apart from special US holiday weekends like SuperBowl, Thanksgiving, etc. Avoid those and obviously Christmas, New Year and Easter and you will be fine. You will never run out of big butts.[/QUOTE]Hey Charles,

Just to clarify. Do you mean Thailand and Kenya are cheaper mongering wise or airfare wise or both and in general?

Compared to going to POP from gatwick, a return to samana with thomson only costs £10 less when I researched it. One of the firends you mention isn't Weyland from the other board by any chance is he? As he advised the same to me.

What I plan to do is to wait closer to the flight's date and hope the price goes down, around £570 at the moment which isn't too bad. But then a direct return flight to Bangkok costs the same and I haven't been there.

Sea breeze is around $500 for the two weeks and I'm pretty sure I can find the same price in Thailand right? So there are girls with big butts and thin waist in Bangkok or Pattaya? How much would they charge? I've heard reports of men paying as little as 500-1000 baht from free lancers on beach road Pattaya to several thousands from the bar girls or go go girls (to be honest I don't know the difference between the two)

I did have an awesome time while in Sosua and did find girls I found attractive but during the day it was boring as PAssions and CMP weren't my thing and couldn't find freelancers during the day? Would you know where to find them during the day?

I had some luck with a dating site, dominicancupid which anyone heading to DR should check out but girls will ask for money though I got away with paying a lot less than the freelancers. Also another site to add is tagged, I've joined and already made a few contacts for when I'm in Sosua.

So bearing in mind my type and budget should I try Thailand (Bangkok or Pattaya) or head back to sosua? I used to live in Ghana and from experience hotels in Africa are rediculously expensive for what you'd find a lot cheaper in the western world. But I've no info on Kenya. Black girls are sexy (latinas are too though).

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1474885]Brother, I need you to tell me where in Atlanta they're getting down for $40 bucks so I can get on the road, and get down there? Everywhere I've been, they want $100 and up![/QUOTE]Yeah, I would like to know this info as well.

But if Mr. E is talking about $40 street corner crack hoez that will give you a lap dance behind a dumpster before sucking you off, then I'll pass on the info.

[QUOTE=ChiliMike;1474931]What I am looking for is info on leaving Sosua for a 1:15 flight out of sdq, will I be able to catch the bus out of Sosua with plenty of time to get to the airport, would like to be at the airport no later than 11:15am (I leave on the 28th its a Monday, the last time I paid the extra money and took the return flight from pop).[/QUOTE]Check this link for the bus schedule. It's pretty str8 forward. It looks like you would have no problem making that flight [url]http://caribetours.com.do/site/portada[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474731]In Atlanta for 40 dollars they will make you holler.[/QUOTE]That's a great price, especially when you factor in not having to dish out another $1,000 or more for airfare, hotel, etc.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1474944]Just to clarify. Do you mean Thailand and Kenya are cheaper mongering wise or airfare wise or both and in general?[/QUOTE]Both (hotels too, of comparable standard) but not enough to tempt me away from my haitianas.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1474944]Compared to going to POP from gatwick, a return to samana with thomson only costs £10 less when I researched it.[/QUOTE]If you are stuck with a particular date you may pay top price. I was retired so I used to check every couple of days with a particular site and pounce when I saw a cheap price come up even if two / three months ahead. You may not have that option?

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1474944]One of the friends you mention isn't Weyland from the other board by any chance is he? As he advised the same to me.[/QUOTE]What makes you think Weyland has any friends? Very poor form to mention another board here and especially particular posters' handles. Just not cricket, old chap. Save that stuff for PMs.

I have not used the lap dance clubs to bang in many years. However I think the going rate is like $150. It was 100 15 years ago. I go to Atlanta a lot. I would argue they have the best strip clubs in the US. However there are many levels. At some clubs the top girls make 3 or 4 hundred a night (no sex). I think getting wet is over 200 a shot. Plus we are talking one and done. I hsaave to say our local girls are as hot as the DR girls but you have no access and they are younger in the DR and less hard core. Every girl in US has a stage name and persona.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474731]You did not mention how much the girls in the DC club want. In Atlanta for 40 dollars they will make you holler. I think that is comparable to what guys are giving in DR, and in some cases even less.[/QUOTE]

Besides New Garden. Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Oso

According to Cuba Dave, Passions to reopen around October 6th, NO GIRLS, NO ROOMS. Peter is reopening it as a bar and restaurant, we'll see.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1475021]I have not used the lap dance clubs to bang in many years. However I think the going rate is like $150. It was 100 15 years ago. I go to Atlanta a lot. I would argue they have the best strip clubs in the US. However there are many levels. At some clubs the top girls make 3 or 4 hundred a night (no sex). I think getting wet is over 200 a shot. Plus we are talking one and done. I hsaave to say our local girls are as hot as the DR girls but you have no access and they are younger in the DR and less hard core. Every girl in US has a stage name and persona.[/QUOTE]On backpage you can get them for that low, but the average time is 15 minutes. After going to the DR I wouldn't even [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in a strip club. Waste of money- to just see the honey. I when to Strokers last year in the A. Wasted about 120 making it rain, parking and drinks but no honey. If I go there now I will bring $20. 00 worth of quarter and make it rain on them the" I been to the DR" way.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1475021]I have not used the lap dance clubs to bang in many years. However I think the going rate is like $150. It was 100 15 years ago. I go to Atlanta a lot. I would argue they have the best strip clubs in the US. However there are many levels. At some clubs the top girls make 3 or 4 hundred a night (no sex). I think getting wet is over 200 a shot. Plus we are talking one and done. I hsaave to say our local girls are as hot as the DR girls but you have no access and they are younger in the DR and less hard core. Every girl in US has a stage name and persona.[/QUOTE]Well I am very familiar with the Atlanta scene. The 40 mentioned is probably for 15 min only. And you will be lucky to find a girl that won't rush you. Those girls probably see like 10 clients a day. And its not uncommon to bump into a fellow monger when leaving.

The advantage with mongering overseas is the quality time spent with the girls. I don't mind paying $75 to $100 for 2hrs overseas.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1475048]According to Cuba Dave, Passions to reopen around October 6th, NO GIRLS, NO ROOMS. Peter is reopening it as a bar and restaurant, we'll see.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I hope things work out for this venue as a restaurant / bar. I don't think Pasions closing as a brothel is a big deal. Sosua is always a good time.

Long gone are the days when a monger felt like a unicorn in Sosua. There was a time when Gringos got a lot of love in Sosua, especially brothas because there weren't a lot of them in Sosua. Now Sosua is a major world hub for mongering with any novelty factor long gone. I don't expect that to change anytime soon. I tend to leave it to the newbies and those that like fake hair, fake tits, fake nails or are just happy to get wet in dark flesh. After seeing what happened in Brazil, I think many will start keeping certain things closer to the vest, in hopes that their favorite destination and place of peace doesn't become a hub. Good luck mongers! . I'm taking things off the beaten path.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1475048]According to Cuba Dave, Passions to reopen around October 6th, NO GIRLS, NO ROOMS. Peter is reopening it as a bar and restaurant, we'll see.[/QUOTE]Well, good luck with that. There is a fairly new Rancho Tipico on one side of Passion's that never seems to have any business, and the restaurant on the other side of Passions has also closed down and gone out of business. Location, location, location.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1475012]Both (hotels too, of comparable standard) but not enough to tempt me away from my haitianas.

If you are stuck with a particular date you may pay top price. I was retired so I used to check every couple of days with a particular site and pounce when I saw a cheap price come up even if two / three months ahead. You may not have that option?

What makes you think Weyland has any friends? Very poor form to mention another board here and especially particular posters' handles. Just not cricket, old chap. Save that stuff for PMs.[/QUOTE]I am currently looking at going to Pattaya, though like you I do those big bums found on that carte bean island.

So yea I'll probably stick to Sosua.

I'm pretty flexible on dates as it goes, so will look at dates for November and onwards. Though £ 570 for a return flight to me sounds great after I paid £750 for indirect ones to STI on my first trip.

Haha, either way he seems a nice guy and I'm not accustomed to the rules of the forum, my apologies.

Have you mongrels outside of Sosua? Sounds like you've been to DR a number of times and quite curious about other Mongering spots.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1475240]Have you mongrels outside of Sosua? Sounds like you've been to DR a number of times and quite curious about other Mongering spots.[/QUOTE]All Dominicans are mongrels (mixed race) including those who claim not to be.

I holidayed here from the UK for three years (eight months in total) and have been living in Pto Pta for the past four. I have never picked up many girls in Sosua. Mainly go there to socialize with gringo friends. I don't really like the sort of full-time pros who comprise most of the Sosua selection and I am too old and wrecked to attract non-pros, so I have mostly gone for semi-pros.

I define semi-pros as those who don't rely on prostitution for a living and don't set out each day hoping or expecting to sell their pussy for money, but would be willing to fuck for money or goods if the opportunity arises. Not necessarily cheaper when you add in all costs but a nicer experience and no sense that the clock is ticking.

Loads of those in Puerto Plata and the villages nearby. But guys visiting on short trips don't have time to go looking for them and build up contacts, so for them Sosua is the most time- and cost-effective place to get laid.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1475048]According to Cuba Dave, Passions to reopen around October 6th, NO GIRLS, NO ROOMS. Peter is reopening it as a bar and restaurant, we'll see.[/QUOTE]Why doesn't he just save face and cut his loses?

Hello Gentlemongers,

Arrived to Sosua yesterday to hotel Vormar for a 8 days. Went out to the strip last night, pack evey where with girls more than enough. Dlatins packed sweat box, rumba, el flow, merengue bar all open. No windows up yet on none of the place. Passions still closed, but still honeys everywhere ready will and able.

Got with Greg and Sly to get ready for our trip to Sosua. Sly still had a girl from last night. He wanted to bring her to breakfast with us. I told him after paying her 2000 pesos last night she should be buying him breakfast. Unless you plan on another round again; there's no need to waste money. He took her to breakfast anyway and she ordered the most expensive thing on the menu. Before he dropped her off she asked for more money to do her hair. He's a nice guy but I didn't bail him out of her nice guy trap. We teased him on our way to Sosua. New guys please listen to the Vets. They don't want your money. They are trying to save you money, headaches, or worst. I think he's learned his lesson. E and Brandon join us on the trip. Brandon has never been to Sosua before.

When coming from the SDQ ahead toward SD going to Sosua. There's only one turn to the right to get you on the correct highway; it is a very quick with no signs, if you blink you'll miss it. If you miss it, you will have to go in the city of Santo Domingo this would add about 30 minutes to an hour depending on traffic. There will be no other opportunity to make a U-turn because that road does not offered an exit. I didn't see a exit coming from SD ahead toward SDQ. The ride took us 2 hours and 45 minutes. The GPS in HTC phones works excellent, just remember to Turn Your Data Off. GPS works with satellite and data it is not necessary.

We arrived in Sosua 5 deep Saturday at about 5 o'clock. We went to Rumbas. There were about 25 girls ranging from 5 to 9. Brandon and the two of newbies we're starting to lose their composure. We hadn't even gotten a hotel yet. All of a sudden, Greg runs across the street. He runs into his homie from the ATL who told them about the DR. What a coincidence. He and his wingman are regulars. All 7 of us exchange notes then walk to CMP. CMP had about 12 girls in there. 6's and 9's if you ask me. I'm not too much of a brothel fan. E doesn't like them either. He said he only wants the woman running the house. He won't show any interest the regular workers. The chicas come on you as soon as you step in the door and that's cool for me when I want a sexy chica with thinking. It's their job not to be selective. I know in Sosua they all are working girls, but I get more chemistry when we both are selective on the outside of a brothel. The good thing about CMP is the girls work shifts. When they get off their shift, they hit the strip like all the other chicas. You can make a selection and set it up for later in the chicas crip or at your motel. While in CMP, I ran into a girl I've already hit. What was amazing to me I didn't remember I hit her. I told her I wasn't in there for myself, I was bringing my friends. She was a thick Haitian. I think I had her on one of my change up nights. 5'8 about a hundred and 40 pounds as I recall the sex was good. I paid her a thousand pesos and she wanted to stay all night. She was cute in her own way but not worth all night to look at. She was the first darkskin Haitian I ever seen working in a brothel. After leaving CMP, it was approximately 9- 10 o'clock. We hadn't not got a motel yet. E was calling up someone that he had new that had a place there. They were not home yet, however they called and said they were there. We went to this five plus bedroom mansion and I was impressed. In my opinion it is the perfect spot. It was about a four minute drive from the strip living room, barbecue pit, Wifi, private pool, and a very private location. The owner said he would charge us 50 a night. 3 of us guys were ready to pull out the money, however Greg made a good point. We were leaving first thing in the morning for them to catch their flight. It was already 11:00pm; it would have been better had we just got something closer to the strip. The owner then told us he had another place closer to the strip. It wasn't as nice as the current one however it can accommodate all 5 of us and he was going to charge us $35 per person. I told him I was coming back at the end of September and I wanted to rent the whole place. He quoted me a price of 275 per night and he will have a personal driver take us where we want to go. I have his number if anyone wants it. The other hotel wasn't bad. It was walking distance from the strip and everyone had their own room, wifi, and safe. The owner called a police officer to service security while we were there. We all regroup and hit the strip about 12:30 am. Brandon the youngest of all of us about 27 years old runs into his frat brothers on the strip. Poor Greg, Sly and Brandon could not make up their minds. Too many chicas, too many different flavors, too short of time. Brandon called his father complaining that he could not make a decision. I had another cultural experience. I notice that the Haitians allow the Dominicans to have first daps on the Americans. I noticed the Dominican chicas were coming at me left and right, however the majority of the Haitians played me like I was in Boca Chica. One even said you don't mess with Haitians do you. I guess there are some justification for there conditioned response about African Americans. While it didn't matter to Greg and myself. Sly, E, and Brandon played the Haitian descent to the left. I asked Brandon has he ever hit a Haitian and he responded I hope the hell not! After about 3 hours in the club, which was in its normal pussy everywhere form. Greg got with an older than normal Haitian chica. She looked about 33. I thought there chemistry would be good. I chose the chica who thought I wouldn't choose her to make a point. However I will admit my own hypocrisy. I had her leave with Greg and his girl. Yes the condescending looks that I was getting from the lighter Dominican chicas played a major factor in my actions. The other Haitian chica from CMP came in the club. She kept bouncing between me and Sly as if she was with us both. She was trying hard to sell herself. I had to be straight with her. I am here for a different chica and my friend lost interest because I had already been with her. Those hunter chicas can get annoying quick. Would you believe she asked me to kiss her before she left. Maybe someone with more experience can explain that one to me.

My Haitian chick was no spring chicken about 27. I gave her three outfits. I can tell she didn't get as much business like her other friends. However she was not a disappointment. She did everything I asked plus. She said she wasn't concerned with how much money I gave her because she appreciated the dresses. I gave her 1000 pesos anyway.

The next morning the owner of the house had coffee and breakfast ready for us. We didn't waste time to leave- Greg and Sly had to be on the plane at 2:15. They only came to Sosua because I insisted and I was driving. Greg said that when he got the young lady in his room they agreed on 2000 pesos, She ask for the money up front. After giving it to her she stopped him in the middle of intercourse and demanded 2000 more. I can't wait to see her again. Easy ride back. I did get stopped in a area about 45 mile outside of SD. I showed him my passport I'd. He said to his partner they are Americans and hey let us go. WE arrived at SDQ with 3 hours to spare. Gave my homies some dap dropped E and Brandon off. Off to new adventures!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1475356]Why doesn't he just save face and cut his loses?[/QUOTE]He probably wants to sell it, and a functioning business would command more than an empty club.
There were rumors of Russian investor interest in the past, who knows, Sosua is one big rumor mill.

[QUOTE=ChiliMike; 1474931]Looking for some info, going to Sosua on Oct 20, after looking at many flights, the best one for price, time and less driving for me is mco to sdq, since I made this same flight 5 years ago, taking the bus from sdq to Sosua is no problem, just a pain in the ass.

What I am looking for is info on leaving Sosua for a 1:15 flight out of sdq, will I be able to catch the bus out of Sosua with plenty of time to get to the airport, would like to be at the airport no later than 11:15am (I leave on the 28th its a Monday, the last time I paid the extra money and took the return flight from pop).[/QUOTE]I do this all the time as the SDQ Delta flight is always the most reasonable price it seems. I just sleep on the ride. You need the 6:20am bus sosua to sdq caribe tours $330 pesos. Enjoy. Always runs about 5 hours.

Taxi from the bus station to SDQ - ranges under $1200 pesos

Question: I may be in sosua soon and I was wondering is there any place I can buy a nice dress or lingerie for my chica nearby NG?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1475580]Question: I may be in sosua soon and I was wondering is there any place I can buy a nice dress or lingerie for my chica nearby NG?[/QUOTE]Yes, right around the corner on PC.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1475652]Yes, right around the corner on PC.[/QUOTE]Can you give me more detail on the directions?

What's the name of the place if you know it?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1475680]Can you give me more detail on the directions?

What's the name of the place if you know it?[/QUOTE]The place directly to the left of el Flow.

You will get Gringo prices, so send in a Dominican to pay for it!

It's call Damaris.

She is cute in her on way. I got with her on a switch up night.

I will be in Sosua this Saturday. I talk to a chica that worked in one of the many big casas that was shutdown and now she is out of work. Do you think that will mean more freelancers in Sosua.

All the putas in the DR know some one who is selling ass in Sosua. There is a lot of competition but what choice do they have. They can not get unemployment or food stamps so selling that ass is all they have. The crack down can only have add the numbers.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1475747]I will be in Sosua this Saturday. I talk to a chica that worked in one of the many big casas that was shutdown and now she is out of work. Do you think that will mean more freelancers in Sosua.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1475692]The place directly to the left of el Flow.

You will get Gringo prices, so send in a Dominican to pay for it!

It's call Damaris.[/QUOTE]Thanks I will follow your advice

Loved her. Until she stole from me.

Latinamerincancupid I. D. Id: 4279121.

My heart is broken. I can live without the money she took. She said that I had said."I will share every- thing I have with you". Guess I said it. And no woman in the world can eat your backside like she can.

It is a thing with her. Jeez. What a thing! She won't be easy to replace.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1477746]Loved her. Until she stole from me.[/QUOTE]What a pity, she's pretty hot. What did she steal?

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1477746]Loved her. Until she stole from me.[/QUOTE]This is not a case of shit happens, but just a warning for all the gringos to stay alert! All I can tell you is this, NEXT!

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1477746]Loved her. Until she stole from me.[/QUOTE]Well if you did that was your mistake and it costs you. Yes she's very pretty but fall in love with the sex and always stay alert.

Much safer that way. No matter what the chicas say or do to make you feel like a king, its ALWAYS about the $$$ to them-ALWAYS-and that's the way you should look at it too.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1477746]Loved her. Until she stole from me.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I got clipped twice this trip. Both times from chicks I knew from previous trips that I thought were totally cool. Cash once and than phone. Which Verizon said she would not even be able to use (not sure about that) Maybe due to slow season the natives are hungry. Lock all valuables up at all times. I Feel like a dumb ass for trusting anyone in this game. My bad.

I have 34 year old amiga. I think she worked at black beards at one time. She is a great fuck buddy. I was talking to her on skype and she introduced me to her little sister who is 18. The sister promptly shows me he nice 18 year old breast. My friend tells me her sister is available when I visit. Man do I love the Dr.

[QUOTE=Solley11;1477973]Yeah. I got clipped twice this trip. Both times from chicks I knew from previous trips that I thought were totally cool. Cash once and than phone. Which Verizon said she would not even be able to use (not sure about that) Maybe due to slow season the natives are hungry. Lock all valuables up at all times. I Feel like a dumb ass for trusting anyone in this game. My bad.[/QUOTE]Never trust a chica no matter how good the chemistry.

Its always easier to steal from someone who has dropped their guard.

I keep my things in sight or locked up

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1477746]Loved her. Until she stole from me.[/QUOTE]No matter how much on the boards we try to warn each other somebody always gets trapped, puts on the cape and try to save a whoe. This is a lesson learned and good for you but for some reason somebody in the future will get caught again regardless of your warning and among other warnings posted in the past.

Don't become Captain Save-a-Whoe, gents.

[QUOTE=Solley11;1477973]Yeah. I got clipped twice this trip. Both times from chicks I knew from previous trips that I thought were totally cool. Cash once and than phone. Which Verizon said she would not even be able to use (not sure about that) Maybe due to slow season the natives are hungry. Lock all valuables up at all times. I Feel like a dumb ass for trusting anyone in this game. My bad.[/QUOTE]The natives are always hungry and STEALING is always in season.

Does anyone have a report on the white party that was at Classicos on Sat. Sept. 28th?

[QUOTE=Sure Thing; 1478201]No matter how much on the boards we try to warn each other somebody always gets trapped, puts on the cape and try to save a whoe. This is a lesson learned and good for you but for some reason somebody in the future will get caught again regardless of your warning and among other warnings posted in the past.

Don't become Captain Save-a-Whoe, gents.[/QUOTE]I second this statement. I, even after I knew the girl was no good, tried everything in the book to save a whoe I met in Sosua. Paid her rent, took care of her kids everything. It simply does not work. You cannot save these girls. No matter how well you treat them they will go back to opening their legs even if their situation is perfect.

Who remembers Chris Rock (Pookie) in the movie New Jack City? Remember what he said after Ice-T got him off of crack?"it still be calling me".

For these girls the streets will always be calling them. Their is no changing them.

For me I have stopped going to Sosua because I have been very successful on Tagged. With these girls you can generally get a nice girl who wants a foreign guy and will settle for a few nice things here and there like perfume or a cheap phone. These girls are not pros but will give it up for just a little attention and respect. Try it. With the number of girls I have met off of Tagged and for the price of a dinner and some attention I get a free place to stay everytime I come down and all the sex you can handle Tagged is a winner.

Showdown

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1478394]I second this statement. I, even after I knew the girl was no good, tried everything in the book to save a whoe I met in Sosua. Paid her rent, took care of her kids everything. It simply does not work. You cannot save these girls. No matter how well you treat them they will go back to opening their legs even if their situation is perfect.

Who remembers Chris Rock (Pookie) in the movie New Jack City? Remember what he said after Ice-T got him off of crack?"it still be calling me".

For these girls the streets will always be calling them. Their is no changing them.

For me I have stopped going to Sosua because I have been very successful on Tagged. With these girls you can generally get a nice girl who wants a foreign guy and will settle for a few nice things here and there like perfume or a cheap phone. These girls are not pros but will give it up for just a little attention and respect. Try it. With the number of girls I have met off of Tagged and for the price of a dinner and some attention I get a free place to stay everytime I come down and all the sex you can handle Tagged is a winner.

Showdown[/QUOTE]Your going to pay whether it be by buying gifts and food or straight dinero. So you buy them perfume and dinner and other things. I'd rather hit and run this way there are no problems with the parting of the ways. Sosua chica's I have are alot of fun but I never let my guard down no matter how long I've known them---Because when it all shakes out --I don't know them at all.

I found an extremely reliable guy who I used about 10 or so times. He doesn't speak English, I never asked him about wimmin, but he was perfect as simply a driver. Not once was he unavailable and generally picked me up within 5 minutes. I know moto's are the choice of most in Sosua, but I hate using them and avoid them. So, if you want a good and reliable kid (he's 22) who works 12 hours a day 7 days, call Leandro at 829-616-4570. He's got an SUV with AC and is a good driver. His rates are okay but you need to keep him honest.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1477746]Loved her. Until she stole from me.[/QUOTE]You wanted fast pussy. It should be no surprise that most of the ones giving out fast pussy are looking for fast money. And they will get it by working their lips, hips, and in this case fingertips.

Can someone please advise where in Sosua I can find a cell phone provider where I can get a SIM card?

Is it better to buy an unlocked phone before going down there (and what's a good reliable but cheap phone) or buy it in Sosua?

Looking for something easy I can pay as I go, talk and text (no internet needed).

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1478488]Can someone please advise where in Sosua I can find a cell phone provider where I can get a SIM card?

Is it better to buy an unlocked phone before going down there (and what's a good reliable but cheap phone) or buy it in Sosua?

Looking for something easy I can pay as I go, talk and text (no internet needed).[/QUOTE]Take a look at the most recent posts in the Santo Domingo section. A relevant conversation is going on.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1478488]Can someone please advise where in Sosua I can find a cell phone provider where I can get a SIM card?

Is it better to buy an unlocked phone before going down there (and what's a good reliable but cheap phone) or buy it in Sosua?

Looking for something easy I can pay as I go, talk and text (no internet needed).[/QUOTE][url]Http://claro.com.do/[/url] Store at Alejo Martinez and Rosen intersection opposite Baileys restaurant. Check supported frequency on your unlocked phone or buy in DR prices here in DOP $R.D. look for 'prepago'

[url]http://tiendaenlinea.claro.com.do/Master/Claro/Secciones/ShowCategoriesMovil.aspx?ID=169[/url]

[QUOTE=Jooks;1478469]I found an extremely reliable guy who I used about 10 or so times. He doesn't speak English, I never asked him about wimmin, but he was perfect as simply a driver. Not once was he unavailable and generally picked me up within 5 minutes. I know moto's are the choice of most in Sosua, but I hate using them and avoid them. So, if you want a good and reliable kid (he's 22) who works 12 hours a day 7 days, call Leandro at 829-616-4570. He's got an SUV with AC and is a good driver. His rates are okay but you need to keep him honest.[/QUOTE]What were his rates? Did you ever hire him on a flat rate plus gas basis?

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1478488]Can someone please advise where in Sosua I can find a cell phone provider where I can get a SIM card?

Is it better to buy an unlocked phone before going down there (and what's a good reliable but cheap phone) or buy it in Sosua?

Looking for something easy I can pay as I go, talk and text (no internet needed).[/QUOTE]Buy an unlocked cell on ebay and you can get a sim card from Orange for a decent price.

I recently bought the Samsung Duos which you can use two sim cards at a time. Now I only travel with one phone!

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1478540]What were his rates? Did you ever hire him on a flat rate plus gas basis?[/QUOTE]It was an informal agreement which I suggested. 200 pesos for local. 5 or 10 minute ride. He often made out well on this as sometimes it was only a few minute ride but I was too tired and it was too hot to walk. It is an inferno in Sosua now. Cabarete cost 600 pesos there and back for the one time I used him and my one trip to POP was 850 pesos. I'm sure you can make other arrangements with him. While the rates might not have been the absolute best, I wasn't going to worry about a few dollars and sacrifice reliability and comfort. I also used publicos to go to Cabarate a few times and Puerto Plata once. They're a real bargain and only cost about 150 or 200 pesos. I spent much of my days in Cabarete.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1478488]Can someone please advise where in Sosua I can find a cell phone provider where I can get a SIM card?

Is it better to buy an unlocked phone before going down there (and what's a good reliable but cheap phone) or buy it in Sosua?

Looking for something easy I can pay as I go, talk and text (no internet needed).[/QUOTE]You can buy a phone for as little as 750 pesos including a SIM card. The number is yours for the next phone or the next time you visit. Simple. You can call the USA from your prepaid calling card. No problem.

RIKY IS 100% right. You can buy a cheap phone anywhere and add minutes as you need. International calls eat the minutes very fast but is a great way to stauy in contact with those you choose'

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1478623]You can buy a phone for as little as 750 pesos including a SIM card. The number is yours for the next phone or the next time you visit. Simple. You can call the USA from your prepaid calling card. No problem.[/QUOTE]

as mentioned earlier, i spent last week in sosua. i really have nothing to add that hasn't been said about the wimmin. all i'll say that it's not my type of scene. however, some of the beaches are incredibly nice.

i first went to playa sosua, which i thought was dirty, small and generally not very nice. it was fairly empty mainly because it's low season now. that was the only good part. after the first day, i did some exploring. i walked along the water where the hotels and condos maintain "private" beaches. as far as i know, private beaches are illegal, but this is the dr. i started from my condo apartment on calle ayuntamiento. you have to go through a private condo to get to the walkway by the beach. only one time was i stopped and i just smiled and said i only wanted to take a walk and they let me through. there's several private beaches on the way to playa sosua. i don't know the names of any of the beaches, but all of them were pristine and virtually uninhabited. then i came to the beach by the hotel, sosua by the sea. i started talking with the caretaker and he offered to let us on the beach with chairs and umbrellas for 300 pesos. can't beat that and the decision was a no brainer. we were alone most of the time on the beach and they brought us food and drink. this was one of the nicest beaches i've ever been to as far as cleanliness, swimming and the beach itself. and not a tout in sight! the only negative was the heat. even in the shade of the umbrella it was hot as hell.

i also liked cabarete beach. it was also clean and the water was nice. it was much nicer than playa sosua and worth the small effort to get there and see the town. it was actually more pleasant weather-wise because the winds made it feel cooler. however, the winds weren't sufficient enough to really enjoy the various [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url], i. e, kiting, wind surfing, etc. supposedly, september is not a windy month. the touts didn't seem to be out in force and didn't bother me too much. but those "private" beaches in sosua are first rate. however, i doubt they're so empty in high season.

[QUOTE=Jooks;1478607]I also used publicos to go to Cabarete a few times and Puerto Plata once. They're a real bargain and only cost about 150 or 200 pesos.[/QUOTE]45 pesos to Puerto Plata (50 pesos after dark). 35 pesos to Cabarete (? after dark).

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1478670]45 pesos to Puerto Plata (50 pesos after dark). 35 pesos to Cabarete (? after dark).[/QUOTE]You are correct or approximately so; I had a brain timeout.

Major announcement about Sosua in the Gogo forum.

[QUOTE=Jooks;1478661]I started talking with the caretaker and he offered to let us on the beach with chairs and umbrellas for 300 pesos. Can't beat that and the decision was a no brainer. We were alone most of the time on the beach and they brought us food and drink. This was one of the nicest beaches I've ever been to as far as cleanliness, swimming and the beach itself. And not a tout in sight! The only negative was the heat. Even in the shade of the umbrella it was hot as hell.[/QUOTE]Playa Alecia, at the bottom of the hill past Casa Cayena is a beautiful beach without vendors or pests.
You can rent chairs / umbrellas, otherwise it is free to enter.
There is one restaurant above the beach should you need a water / beer.

Sosua News today 10/1/2013.

Four hundred million pesos for renovation Sosúa beach?

The Minister of Tourism, Francisco Javier Garcia announced that for the restructuring of the bay of the resort town Sosúa the government has made four hundred million pesos available. According to Mayor Ilana Neumann of Sosúa good agreements have been made with all current owners of the casetas (souvenir shops). When the renovation of the historic center of Puerto Plata is completed, they will start with the renovation of the beach of Sosúa. There will be constructed two shopping center where the current owners of the casetas can rent a shop at both entrances to the beach. With these changes, Sosúa should be more attractive to tourists who demand better service and more luxury.

With the cruise port in Maimóand and the renovation of the historic center of Puerto Plata, the north coast will be culturally more attractive, says the Minister of Tourism.

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1478623]You can buy a phone for as little as 750 pesos including a SIM card. The number is yours for the next phone or the next time you visit. Simple. You can call the USA from your prepaid calling card. No problem.[/QUOTE]Thanks, what's a reliable phone you suggest I buy in Sosua?

Also does anyone know if the afterhours club one is still open?

[QUOTE=Jooks;1478661]I spent last week in Sosua. I really have nothing to add that hasn't been said about the wimmin. All I'll say that it's not my type of scene.[/QUOTE]What didn't you like about the Sosua scene?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1478814]What didn't you like about the Sosua scene?[/QUOTE]At this stage of my life, I don't enjoy being with hard core putas. I'm also more of a social drinker which doesn't seem to fit in with the scene. I had a very nice stay in sosua, but in my own way. I suppose the reason I went to sosua was to see with my own eyes what people were talking about. None of this is meant to be judgmental and I hope it doesn't come across that way. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Jooks;1478827]At this stage of my life, I don't enjoy being with hard core putas. I'm also more of a social drinker which doesn't seem to fit in with the scene. I had a very nice stay in sosua, but in my own way. I suppose the reason I went to sosua was to see with my own eyes what people were talking about. None of this is meant to be judgmental and I hope it doesn't come across that way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yeah man I feel you. It is always good to get your own perspective of what all the hubbub is about. One man's trash is another man's treasure. I can put up with from a few hours to 1 day of Sosua. In the words of Old Kool, these days Sosua is for sport fucking gutter puss.

[QUOTE=Jooks;1478827]At this stage of my life, I don't enjoy being with hard core putas. I'm also more of a social drinker which doesn't seem to fit in with the scene. I had a very nice stay in sosua, but in my own way. I suppose the reason I went to sosua was to see with my own eyes what people were talking about. None of this is meant to be judgmental and I hope it doesn't come across that way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]It doesn't come across that way. I fully understand. Sosua isn't for everybody which is why I do it my way. In fact, most guys would be bored out of their minds if it weren't for the chicas. As for me, my idea of a vacation is to get the hell away from the day to day routine. I can be by myself for ages on end. So I do my own thing. I check out the cigar shop, pick up a couple of stogies and head to the beach and light them up. Can't do that in California as most beaches outlaw it and people look down on cigar smokers. If I want to be social I head up to Big Mama's and chill and shoot the shit with ex-pats. I go on excursions or tours. I'm in a foreign country so I explore it. I don't follow the "scene." I do what makes me happy for the time that I'm there even if it means doing absolutely nothing but lounging on the beach. Then there's the girls.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1471407]An expat friend of mine in Sosua told me a guy recently complained that $300 was missing from his safe. The Hotel is Condos Margarita across from Bologna restaurant on Alejo Martinez. This is disturbing. News because last August 2 guys I talked to thought they were missing money too. But they werent sure of the amount. But to them it appeared somebody else had been in one of the guys safe. I like the place but am leery about staying there. BTW their safes are keyed. And I dont think they are bolted or secured from moving. The unit I had I was able to pick the safe up if I wanted to.[/QUOTE]I'm here on the ground in Sosua. I talked to a dominican aquaintance of mine who is staying at Condos Margarita. He has been there since June. I asked him if he knew about the alleged theft? He said yeah. But it turned out to be a misunderstanding on the renters part. That guy accounted for the money he originally thought was taken from his safe. So all is well at Condos Margarita. The other incident with the 2 guys I talked to back in August, those two admitted they werent sure if they were got or not. Most likely, the one guy never knew how much he had to begin with and just assumed someone had taken money out of his safe. I can relate to that. I have taken money out (not necessarily from a safe) , but did not account for what was left. Then when I decided to count what was left, it appeared to be less than what I expect.

One last thing. Not all of the safes are keyed. The unit I'm in now is electronic. My personal observation and feeling is, the staff at Condos Margarita are very honest and very respectful of every renters personal effects. Just thought I'd offer this bit of news in case anyone read my earlier report and decided not to stay there.

Gents,

I was wondering if there are a similar casa listing pdf or google maps address like.

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&ie=UTF8&msid=106767774275556555984.00046d685b11334063b43&dg=feature[/url]

Been to Medellin and had a great time and I wanted to try something new. They have great lists and maps for Medellin and was wondering if there is one for Sosua. Thanks in advance.

PS tried searching and can't seem to find one.

How common is anal for the girls?

[QUOTE=DmeHcg; 1479435]Gents,

I was wondering if there are a similar casa listing pdf or google maps address like.

PS tried searching and can't seem to find one.[/QUOTE]There isn't one because it isn't necessary. Sosua isn't casa oriented; it is freelance oriented and is concentrated in a 3 block radius. There are no hidden casas. Everthing is out in the open and extremely obvious. The girls are very aggressive so you won't have a problem finding the "action." Most of the action is concentrated in two bars, which are on the same street: Rumba and D'Latin. 90% of the action is on that one street where these two bars are located. You can stay at one of several hotels that are walking distance to this block. You can read old reports for more info. Also, I wouldn't try to compare one country to another. If you read the reports with an open mind, everything is there with nauseating redundancy.

[QUOTE=Ernie1981;1479541]How common is anal for the girls?[/QUOTE]The usual disclaimer that YMMV, but it all depends on the chica. I haven't found many that volunteer for it, but when you hit the right number ($) , most anything can be had. I've also had experiences where a chica is desperate to close the deal, and throws that in to sweeten the pot.

[QUOTE=Ernie1981;1479541]How common is anal for the girls?[/QUOTE]Go to Rio if you're intent on it.

My experience in Latin America:

16 trips to Rio. 3-holer at last once every trip (and I don't even push for it that much)

10 trips to Colombia. Never analized a Paisa or Calena.

7 trips to DR. Only twice nailed chicas backdoor

[QUOTE=Ernie1981;1479541]How common is anal for the girls?[/QUOTE]Every girl does anal, some just don't know it yet.

My girlfriend did it regularly until she got an vaginal infection that she blamed on anal followed by vaginal sex. So anal was off the table for a while, until I started losing interest and it is now back on a regular basis. In fact yesterday consisted of oral and vaginal to completion, then later oral and vaginal to completion followed immediately by oral and anal to completion.

I've had casa girls do it, and more, for a 500 peso tip. I wrote about GBP where I got the girl to give me anal and swallow for 500 pesos. Best $12. 50 I ever spent.

[QUOTE=Cagep1967;1480019]My girlfriend did it regularly until she got an vaginal infection that she blamed on anal followed by vaginal sex. So anal was off the table for a while, until I started losing interest and it is now back on a regular basis. In fact yesterday consisted of oral and vaginal to completion, then later oral and vaginal to completion followed immediately by oral and anal to completion.[/QUOTE]No anal and armpit to completion?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1480050]No anal and armpit to completion?[/QUOTE]Armpits, hands, feet don't do it for me.

Mouth, Pussy or Ass.

Or as I put it with my girl los 3 a's Arriba, Adelante why Atras.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1478736]Sosua News today 10/1/2013.

Four hundred million pesos for renovation Sosúa beach?

The Minister of Tourism, Francisco Javier Garcia announced that for the restructuring of the bay of the resort town Sosúa the government has made four hundred million pesos available. According to Mayor Ilana Neumann of Sosúa good agreements have been made with all current owners of the casetas (souvenir shops). When the renovation of the historic center of Puerto Plata is completed, they will start with the renovation of the beach of Sosúa. There will be constructed two shopping center where the current owners of the casetas can rent a shop at both entrances to the beach. With these changes, Sosúa should be more attractive to tourists who demand better service and more luxury.

With the cruise port in Maimóand and the renovation of the historic center of Puerto Plata, the north coast will be culturally more attractive, says the Minister of Tourism.[/QUOTE]But! But! That can't be.

[QUOTE=Ernie1981;1479541]How common is anal for the girls?[/QUOTE]I had a girl my last trip do anal, no tip requested. Wasnt even discussed during negotiations. I didn't even have to ask for it.

While we are on the subject, I guess I will continue a trip report from two years ago. About 9pm I left Puerto Plata coming from the chick's house who works at Sosua Bay Hotel. I passed Playero Supermarket in Sosua getting ready to turn left on to Dr. Rosen. There was a motoconcho in front of me with a girl on the back. The girl turned around and stared at me and I vigorously nodded my head with a shit-eating grin. Without haste, she had the driver let her off the bike. She came over and got into the car.

I negotiated 500 pesos for some head in the car. I parallel parked behind an SUV on the left side of the street. I took my dick out and she went to work. People were walking by looking. Nothing to see here folks. Just a regular day at the office. I must admit that it was quite good head. So good in fact, that after 15 minutes I said fuck it. I told her that we could just go back to my hotel to fuck and I will give her 1000 total. She agreed. So off we went to Sosua Bay. Fucking ensued. It was not long that she took my dick out of her pussy and unabashedly stuck it into her ass. Damn, Cagep1967's famous 3 As all for one low price. Her name was Elizabeth.

P.S. I never pay for "additional services". When I negotiate one price, that includes all access. Street girls in TJ try to do that a la carte shit, but I don't stand for it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1480282]While we are on the subject, I guess I will continue a trip report from two years ago. About 9pm I left Puerto Plata coming from the chick's house who works at Sosua Bay Hotel. I passed Playero Supermarket in Sosua getting ready to turn left on to Dr. Rosen. There was a motoconcho in front of me with a girl on the back. The girl turned around and stared at me and I vigorously nodded my head with a shit-eating grin. Without haste, she had the driver let her off the bike. She came over and got into the car.

I negotiated 500 pesos for some head in the car. I parallel parked behind an SUV on the left side of the street. I took my dick out and she went to work. People were walking by looking. Nothing to see here folks. Just a regular day at the office. I must admit that it was quite good head. So good in fact, that after 15 minutes I said fuck it. I told her that we could just go back to my hotel to fuck and I will give her 1000 total. She agreed. So off we went to Sosua Bay. Fucking ensued. It was not long that she took my dick out of her pussy and unabashedly stuck it into her ass. Damn, Cagep1967's famous 3 As all for one low price. Her name was Elizabeth.

P. S. I never pay for "additional services". When I negotiate one price, that includes all access. Street girls in Tijuana try to do that a la carte shit, but I don't stand for it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0[/url][/QUOTE]Look like you picked her up by the Citgo on FIB son!

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1480110]But! But! That can't be.[/QUOTE]I wonder who has title to that prime spot between the playa and the road that has been vacant all these years that will be cleared of beachfront squatter businesses at a cost of $10M to the Dominican gvt? Cui bono?

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1480492]I wonder who has title to that prime spot between the playa and the road that has been vacant all these years that will be cleared of beachfront squatter businesses at a cost of $10M to the Dominican gvt? Cui bono?[/QUOTE]The Pastoriza family owns the land.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1480321]Look like you picked her up by the Citgo on FIB son![/QUOTE]Damn, kid! Sounds like you know the A pretty well! If you had said something about the bluff or Stewart ave, it would have been all over! LOL! OK. Back to the DR.

I did Elizebeth few years ago. She is a total delight. When she is through with you your leche is on E. She is a 3 hole champion. I think she worked at BB at one time. She has a lovely manner and will fuck you into submission.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1480282]While we are on the subject, I guess I will continue a trip report from two years ago. About 9pm I left Puerto Plata coming from the chick's house who works at Sosua Bay Hotel. I passed Playero Supermarket in Sosua getting ready to turn left on to Dr. Rosen. There was a motoconcho in front of me with a girl on the back. The girl turned around and stared at me and I vigorously nodded my head with a shit-eating grin. Without haste, she had the driver let her off the bike. She came over and got into the car.

I negotiated 500 pesos for some head in the car. I parallel parked behind an SUV on the left side of the street. I took my dick out and she went to work. People were walking by looking. Nothing to see here folks. Just a regular day at the office. I must admit that it was quite good head. So good in fact, that after 15 minutes I said fuck it. I told her that we could just go back to my hotel to fuck and I will give her 1000 total. She agreed. So off we went to Sosua Bay. Fucking ensued. It was not long that she took my dick out of her pussy and unabashedly stuck it into her ass. Damn, Cagep1967's famous 3 As all for one low price. Her name was Elizabeth.

P. S. I never pay for "additional services". When I negotiate one price, that includes all access. Street girls in Tijuana try to do that a la carte shit, but I don't stand for it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0[/url][/QUOTE]

Last night's tropical thunderstorm was intense, the streets flooded / gunshot style lightning tore through the area. G I was enjoying the seafood at the scotch restaurant TL, power went out twice. Fun to watch the chicas run through the streets singing and dancing in stilettos and knee high water, some guys were cutting. Deals for ones seeking shelter.

Upstairs Classicos, now rebranded club 59, was closed Saturday night. Dlatins was packed ass to crotch, the new window framing is up, going to be a furnace when. The windows go in.

Tight chicas still asking 3000 p for st, I was offering 1500 p plus propina, get the eye roll, no thanks sweetz.

Finally settled on a 26 year old, tight body, black mini dress, light tan, blonde hair, saggy stomach, good GFE, no bs. And she can always keep the dress around her waist.

I did make it to Zona one afterparty, was a waste of time, except ran into Jenny, a fav from my past trip. More on her later.

Advice on tip.

How much is acceptable for: service for free breakfast, maid service?

I've been leaving a couple of US dollars, is this standard?

Note: I've been quoted exchange rate 1 US for 42 pesos.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1474247]I have had the same experience in Sosua. There are so many women you can find almost anything you want. If you want to sport fuck no problem. If you want to wife up you will have no problem. The key is your attitude. Not every thing is perfect but the benefits are amazing.

You are so right if you have a good attitude 9 out of 10 experience's will be good and 7 will be great in Sosua. I ask a girl last night how much she would charge me for her to stay with me for a year and she quickly replyed nothing. These women are all hungry so if they are nice feed them and most of them like having sex to so be a good sex maker and these girls will do anything for you. And do drive slow on these little roads in Sosua for 1 every body is looking for a pay out and 2 you got to be going slow to make a good selection of the chica's. I have seen many police here in town for the last week and on the main road they have been drug cops but none have fucked with me.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99;1481188]Tight chicas still asking 3000 p for st, I was offering 1500 p plus propina, get the eye roll, no thanks sweetz.[/QUOTE]Those girl were "Hunters" weren't they? Guaranteed you'd be overpaying for a lazy lay

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1481193]Advice on tip.

How much is acceptable for: service for free breakfast, maid service?

I've been leaving a couple of US dollars, is this standard?

Note: I've been quoted exchange rate 1 US for 42 pesos.[/QUOTE]For the housekeeper, I leave a 100 note on the pillow.

For the restaurant, it depends on the service.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99;1481193]How much is acceptable for: service for free breakfast, maid service?[/QUOTE]I don't think the people you mentioned are not going to accept any amount of money you want to give away.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99;1481193]I've been leaving a couple of US dollars, is this standard?[/QUOTE]There is no "standard." There isn't a generalizable expectation that I've come across about what one should leave or not leave.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1461305]Damn that's some hard work there my man. I would need a good 48 hours to prepare for her.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't see anyone posting pics of anything like that that they have actually been with in Sosua.

If any of you guy's run across this one she has a tattoo of her name where the tramp stamp goes on her lower back Ashley and she has a big ass star on her front lower stomach. She is 1 of the best looking girls out there but she is Trouble and I mean devil worship and gang kind of shit. Leave this little working girl to the street. I was lucky and kicked her out before much could happen but if not who knows what. To tell you how bad she is I did not even cum before I tossed her out. She keeps a razor taped some how on her tit hell I thought it was birth control till she was getting her shit to get out. This is the 1 out of 10 that is no good.

Thanks for the clip, O. Yes, that is the size on top I desire.

D Cups (. V.)"Spanning the globe for the world's largest bangable boobs"

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1454066]I know what you like, bro. I would probably have to break my 1, 000 peso rule on her. She got some skills.

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x104xjm_dominican-poison-mizz-izzy-luscious_redband?search_algo=2[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1481361]Those girl were "Hunters" weren't they? Guaranteed you'd be overpaying for a lazy lay[/QUOTE]You get a mix, the hunters and then the 'venus flytraps' who stand around, no smile awaiting prey.

I like to hangout with. The girl at the bar for a good 20 mins before heading back to the room, 'the faster she asks to go back, the lousier the lay' is a good metric. If she doesn't ask after 20 mins, good chance of GFE.

Anyone recommend a good place to rent a scooter, and how much I should pay? I had one offer for 20 US a day.

I don't mind paying more for a reputable company, want to avoid scams like the jetski fiasco in Thailand.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1481543]Anyone recommend a good place to rent a scooter, and how much I should pay? I had one offer for 20 US a day.

I don't mind paying more for a reputable company, want to avoid scams like the jetski fiasco in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Take a look at my post from earlier this year. I rented from an Italian run outfit down the street from Rocky's and all was well.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1481529]Thanks for the clip, O. Yes, that is the size on top I desire.

D Cups (. V.)"Spanning the globe for the world's largest bangable boobs"[/QUOTE]From the latest BB e-newsletter

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1481543]Anyone recommend a good place to rent a scooter, and how much I should pay? I had one offer for 20 US a day.

I don't mind paying more for a reputable company, want to avoid scams like the jetski fiasco in Thailand.[/QUOTE]You can rent it at Hotel Voramar.

Agreed. I know who she is, and although I did not notice anything dangerous as a razor on her. She's trouble. She is definitely one of the best looking ones, but looks can be deceiving and one can sense issues and then some soon after being with her. Did not last very long with me and I had to kick her out, but only after she asked for 4,000 and how she has "rent to pay tomorrow."

As if I haven't heard that one before. It was a hassle to get her out, but man am I glad it happened. One of the few negative experiences I've had in Sosua. Many others that have been good however. But this one. As Grub1 said. She's trouble.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1481527]If any of you guy's run across this one she has a tattoo of her name where the tramp stamp goes on her lower back Ashley and she has a big ass star on her front lower stomach. She is 1 of the best looking girls out there but she is Trouble and I mean devil worship and gang kind of shit. Leave this little working girl to the street. I was lucky and kicked her out before much could happen but if not who knows what. To tell you how bad she is I did not even cum before I tossed her out. She keeps a razor taped some how on her tit hell I thought it was birth control till she was getting her shit to get out. This is the 1 out of 10 that is no good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1481542]You get a mix, the hunters and then the 'venus flytraps' who stand around, no smile awaiting prey.

I like to hangout with. The girl at the bar for a good 20 mins before heading back to the room, 'the faster she asks to go back, the lousier the lay' is a good metric. If she doesn't ask after 20 mins, good chance of GFE.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's actually a pretty sound strategy especially if you like GFE like me.

Find a girl who's smiling or at least not pacing anxiously in search of prey

Trace girl Susan is still around Sosua I seen and picked her up around Mary rose she is ok but you can tell she is getting rougher by the day and she is hanging out with some real problem people so if you pick her up don't let her try to introduce you to any of her friends.

Thanks, Park! I assume BBs has their fair share of buxom babes like this or is she an anomaly? My Spanish is weak so no doubt I will be staying there.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1481722]From the latest BB e-newsletter[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1481722]From the latest BB e-newsletter[/QUOTE]I spent the night with a girl named Clarivelle when I was there last month. I'm not sure but I think it was this girl. Nice big naturals and a tight bod. Pretty good in the sack, except when I touched her a-hole. She quickly pushed my hand away. I still have her # if anyone is interested.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1481758]Agreed. I know who she is, and although I did not notice anything dangerous as a razor on her. She's trouble. She is definitely one of the best looking ones, but looks can be deceiving and one can sense issues and then some soon after being with her. Did not last very long with me and I had to kick her out, but only after she asked for 4, 000 and how she has "rent to pay tomorrow."

As if I haven't heard that one before. It was a hassle to get her out, but man am I glad it happened. One of the few negative experiences I've had in Sosua. Many others that have been good however. But this one. As Grub1 said. She's trouble.[/QUOTE]Is there a picture of this Ashley?

[QUOTE=D Cups;1481872]Thanks, Park! I assume BBs has their fair share of buxom babes like this or is she an anomaly? My Spanish is weak so no doubt I will be staying there.[/QUOTE]We were there in the middle of September. And there was a great selection of ladys. Many of them very buxom!

Staying in Sosua. We like to visit BB every now and then and it was no disappointment!

Passed by D'latin a couple of hours ago. The windows were put in the front and were being polished as I walked by. I can't imagine how hot it will be inside tonight.

OldKool recently mentioned the issue of having a threesome with sisters. Threesomes can be very problematical and most times just aren't worth the bother, because the girls just see it as a way to boost income rather than a way of enjoying additional forbidden sexual thrills.

However the best threesome I ever had was quite recently and worked very well indeed even though one the participants didn't even take off her clothes. No alcohol was involved.

The two women are cousins, both 25 years old, and initially they took a lot of persuasion to get together due to fears of being talked about in the family and other anxieties. I have a very good sexual relationship with one and have not had sex with the other. Neither are pros. One had limited sexual experience. Eventually an agreement involving money (what else) made them see the bright side. As I said, they are not pros, but the promise of a new dress is still an effective lubricant in overcoming inhibitions.

When we got around to it, I had sex with the one girl while the other took photographs. This was a lot of fun as she is a fairly good photographer for a chica, and we enjoyed working out the best angles to get the best photos.

Eventually I ended up fucking my friend who was by this time extremely turned on and more than ready to go. It ended up being one of the truly great fucks, a very hot and passionate time, but also a lot of fun. When it was all over, the photographer was laughing and joking about the noise her cousin was making, imitating her cries of passion, and we all eventually went to sleep.

This doesn't sound like much, but it avoided all the inevitable problems with jealousy that arise in threesomes, as each person had a defined role, and ended up very well. One still had the advantage of being aroused in the presence of two people and of seeing their responses, which is one of the biggest turn ons in threesomes. The problem of changing condoms, washing between partners, etc. were negated. This is even more the case if the person you have the sex with is a regular partner who is on the pill.

I don't remember when I last slept so well.

Afterwards both expressed agreement that it had been good and were soon asking if there was going to be a repeat date. Maybe, but it will be difficult to make it work as well, and I think that if I fuck the second girl next time, the old issue of jealousies will probably come up and it may not be as satisfying.

I don't have a picture, but she is at Rumba during the afternoon hours or walking along the strip. I've also spotted her at Rumba at night, she is usually with one other friend. Yes I know that might not help much. But.

She has blonde hair, braces, a pretty face. Hair is curly, but I have seen it straight before. No eyebrows. Nice ass. Tattoo of her name right above it and she has a star tattoo on her stomach as the other poster said. She was actually nice to talk to at first, when I was with her. But her attitude changes completely once you're in the bedroom, and it's very noticeable. And she does this because I think she wants you to not be happy and kick her out and she gets her money. Except she wants more, and she tells you that you fucked too much. Yeah. 5 minutes and not finishing is too much? Right. And then her rent is due the next day. And she has a kid. And she has nothing. Hey, I've gone through that with a couple other girls before. But her attitude in particular is just nasty and I can see why one might be worried if they are with her. I've been with girls that will give you the guilt trip about money, and then you have Ashley who will pretty much demand it.

And the last thing I remember, she has a laugh which is psychotic. How fitting. I ran into her the next day while walking down the strip and wish I had not, she would not leave me alone after I told her I'm wanting to just walk alone and not interested. Sat down at Rumba and she showed up 30 minutes later and sat next to me and said let's go. I told her nope. Walked over to another table and sat down, she follows me. Then asks for money. I just stopped acknowledging her and after some time she finally left.

That's the best I can describe her, I've taken pics of girls but she was just so bad to the point where it was I just wanted her to get lost. There is something about her which concerns me for other mongerers in Sosua. I did not notice any razor on her or anything, but I do recall she wanted the lights off and when I wanted to switch even one lamp on, she objected. Fellow mongerers beware, I thought maybe I was the only one that had a bad experience with her, but seeing someone else post something very similar surely this girl is trouble.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1482000]Is there a picture of this Ashley?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1481758]Agreed. I know who she is, and although I did not notice anything dangerous as a razor on her. She's trouble. She is definitely one of the best looking ones, but looks can be deceiving and one can sense issues and then some soon after being with her. Did not last very long with me and I had to kick her out, but only after she asked for 4, 000 and how she has "rent to pay tomorrow."

As if I haven't heard that one before. It was a hassle to get her out, but man am I glad it happened. One of the few negative experiences I've had in Sosua. Many others that have been good however. But this one. As Grub1 said. She's trouble.[/QUOTE]You would have got same results for a 1000. All chica's have went with me for short time 2hrs for 1000 I have paid 1500 1 time in 4 weeks and she stayed all night and did not ask for more than the 1000 we agreed on but hell we woke up and she opened her leg's she was well worth the extra 500

[QUOTE=Grub1;1482050]You would have got same results for a 1000. All chica's have went with me for short time 2hrs for 1000 I have paid 1500 1 time in 4 weeks and she stayed all night and did not ask for more than the 1000 we agreed on but hell we woke up and she opened her leg's she was well worth the extra 500[/QUOTE]I have had plenty of chicas for 1500 for the night, a couple insisting on 2000 and during the day 1000 is easy to find.

But Ashley. 4,000. When we agreed on 1500. I didn't get what I want, but I gave 2,000 with the 500 extra just so she could go of my room. Satan's mistress.

I hooked up with 1 chica that was out to please me and told me over and over I will do whatever you want. She was not bull shitting either hell she took it up the ass then stuck her tounge up my ass. I did not plan on that happening hell I could not keep from laughing every time that wet thing went up my ass hole.

I am glad she only wanted to stick her tounge up there.

All this fucking will make anyone feel younger than they are.

The things you can do in Sosua are just incredible. I will never complain about Sosua. It is always hard to believe the average day in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1482053]I hooked up with 1 chica that was out to please me and told me over and over I will do whatever you want. She was not bull shitting either hell she took it up t.

He ass then stuck her tounge up my ass. I did not plan on that happening hell I could not keep from laughing every time that wet thing went up my ass hole.

I am glad she only wanted to stick her tounge up there.

All this fucking will make anyone feel younger than they are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1482018]OldKool recently mentioned the issue of having a threesome with sisters. Threesomes can be very problematical and most times just aren't worth the bother, because the girls just see it as a way to boost income rather than a way of enjoying additional forbidden sexual thrills.

However the best threesome I ever had was quite recently and worked very well indeed even though one the participants didn't even take off her clothes. No alcohol was involved.

The two women are cousins, both 25 years old, and initially they took a lot of persuasion to get together due to fears of being talked about in the family and other anxieties. I have a very good sexual relationship with one and have not had sex with the other. Neither are pros. One had limited sexual experience. Eventually an agreement involving money (what else) made them see the bright side. As I said, they are not pros, but the promise of a new dress is still an effective lubricant in overcoming inhibitions.

When we got around to it, I had sex with the one girl while the other took photographs. This was a lot of fun as she is a fairly good photographer for a chica, and we enjoyed working out the best angles to get the best photos.

Eventually I ended up fucking my friend who was by this time extremely turned on and more than ready to go. It ended up being one of the truly great fucks, a very hot and passionate time, but also a lot of fun. When it was all over, the photographer was laughing and joking about the noise her cousin was making, imitating her cries of passion, and we all eventually went to sleep.

This doesn't sound like much, but it avoided all the inevitable problems with jealousy that arise in threesomes, as each person had a defined role, and ended up very well. One still had the advantage of being aroused in the presence of two people and of seeing their responses, which is one of the biggest turn ons in threesomes. The problem of changing condoms, washing between partners, etc. Were negated. This is even more the case if the person you have the sex with is a regular partner who is on the pill.

I don't remember when I last slept so well.

Afterwards both expressed agreement that it had been good and were soon asking if there was going to be a repeat date. Maybe, but it will be difficult to make it work as well, and I think that if I fuck the second girl next time, the old issue of jealousies will probably come up and it may not be as satisfying.[/QUOTE]Interesting experience. For non pro chicas it may have been the first time they ever saw another female having sex and been fascinating and very memorable for her. You gave it structure the camera chica could understand and work with and gave her cover to do something a little freaky but not uncomfortable.

I think guys who want to watch girls have gay sex have to go with bi girls who choose their own partner. For chicas who are amigas or relatives a threesome is going to be focused on you, and you are going to have to keep them occupied and entertained. Having one shoot pics or video is a good start.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy99; 1481543]Anyone recommend a good place to rent a scooter, and how much I should pay? I had one offer for 20 US a day.

I don't mind paying more for a reputable company, want to avoid scams like the jetski fiasco in Thailand.[/QUOTE]El Cheapy Car rental. Next door to Tradewinds property. The owners name is Mike. A 60 something white guy. His dominican assistant is Junior. Good cat. Mike has apartments for rent, cars and scooters. When I asked about a scooter last May, they went for as low as $10 a day. Much cheaper than all the rest. I am renting a Isuzu Rodeo now for $30 a day. My Rodeo isn't perfect but it sure is cheaper than the usual $40 to 45 a day most places are asking.

If Mikes scooter prices went up, its probably lets say $15 a day. Can't say what their mechanical condition is, but they all look new and in good shape. With any rental, look for existing issues and flaws. Bad brakes, steering, starting, bad tires etc. Many places never fix shit. However, I feel pretty confident that you wont have to worry about being scammed ( like the scooter being stolen ) or some other BS shenanigans. You can ask Mike about insurance coverage if you come to inquire at his place.

To find Mikes place, just head down route 5 like you are going to Cabarete, then make right up street that leads to Tradewinds. At the top of the hill is a little Restaurant on the left (right across from Tradewinds ). That is where Mike and Junior are. Mike serves meals at the lunch hour with his dominican girl and helpers. Oh one last point. Make sure you get a helmet from any rental, and be sure to wear it. And keep your rental agreement with you. The Amet cops (or whatever authority) might fine you and / or take the scooter from you.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1482107]Interesting experience. For non pro chicas it may have been the first time they ever saw another female having sex and been fascinating and very memorable for her. You gave it structure the camera chica could understand and work with and gave her cover to do something a little freaky but not uncomfortable.

I think guys who want to watch girls have gay sex have to go with bi girls who choose their own partner. For chicas who are amigas or relatives a threesome is going to be focused on you, and you are going to have to keep them occupied and entertained. Having one shoot pics or video is a good start.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think pics are better because if you get half a dozen good ones out of 50, you have something to keep, at least for a while. With video it is guaranteed to be 95% garbage and who can be bothered to edit it? On the other hand you do have the sound track recorded too (but then how many times are you going to play it over at the family reunion? I doubt if you can even sell it for someone to masturbate to).

I agree about gay sex and girls choosing their own partner, otherwise it won't work, or just won't fly. Not every girl likes the idea of lesbian sex anyway. As a girlfriend I had in the US said a couple of years ago,"I don't mind a girl licking my pussy, but you think I want to go down there and lick her where she has been pissing and menstruating? No thanks!" A girl who may be quite happy to do it with one chosen partner may find the idea revolting with another girl.

When dealing with these chica's from anywhere in the DR make sure to have what the pay is going to be for her known before you ever let her in your auto or they could be a problem but that being said after making a deal with them they are good about keeping it. Sure they may ask for a tip but that is just what they call it's not like you have to pay but whatever you agree to make sure to keep your end of the deal good or you will for sure have a big problem.

Guy's get out there and meet the local people they are actually good sure night brings out a different crowd but if you are old enough to have bought yourself a ticket to the DR you already know what drinking drugs and women is like at night so if you don't like that kind of shit just meet yourself a daytime girl and have fun.

Good tip on the scooter, went with the Italian guy, honest, reliable and negotiable on multi day deals.

Last night took the the scooter to CMP, dozen chicas or so, fairly aggressive, fun place to have a beer but didn't. See any chicas any better than Rumba / Dlatins, maybe one or two 8's. Did meet a few guys who ended up paying 5000 for all night tln, after chatting with them understood why they would pay so much, rich guys who rented a villa and found Dlatins intimidating / ignorant to the whole scene. A salud, let the fools have their fun, not for me.

Rolled to Dlatins at around 11, windows are up, hot in there, Rumbas is next. How long before they cover the windows? Scenery is changing on PC.

Got asked if I wanted a MJ joint maybe 5 times, never ever even hint that you're even slightly interested, these guys from 'new york' will not leave you alone, learned that on a previous trip.

Was about to leave Dlatins, spotted this beach blonde with 'blanca' like skin, introduce myself, her name is Nicole, got her number, I'm sure she's. Pricy, and very in demand, she was approached at least 5 times in half hour.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1482046]I don't have a picture, but she is at Rumba during the afternoon hours or walking along the strip. I've also spotted her at Rumba at night, she is usually with one other friend. Yes I know that might not help much. But.

She has blonde hair, braces, a pretty face. Hair is curly, but I have seen it straight before. No eyebrows. Nice ass. Tattoo of her name right above it and she has a star tattoo on her stomach as the other poster said. She was actually nice to talk to at first, when I was with her. But her attitude changes completely once you're in the bedroom, and it's very noticeable. And she does this because I think she wants you to not be happy and kick her out and she gets her money. Except she wants more, and she tells you that you fucked too much. Yeah. 5 minutes and not finishing is too much? Right. And then her rent is due the next day. And she has a kid. And she has nothing. Hey, I've gone through that with a couple other girls before. But her attitude in particular is just nasty and I can see why one might be worried if they are with her. I've been with girls that will give you the guilt trip about money, and then you have Ashley who will pretty much demand it.

And the last thing I remember, she has a laugh which is psychotic. How fitting. I ran into her the next day while walking down the strip and wish I had not, she would not leave me alone after I told her I'm wanting to just walk alone and not interested. Sat down at Rumba and she showed up 30 minutes later and sat next to me and said let's go. I told her nope. Walked over to another table and sat down, she follows me. Then asks for money. I just stopped acknowledging her and after some time she finally left.

That's the best I can describe her, I've taken pics of girls but she was just so bad to the point where it was I just wanted her to get lost. There is something about her which concerns me for other mongerers in Sosua. I did not notice any razor on her or anything, but I do recall she wanted the lights off and when I wanted to switch even one lamp on, she objected. Fellow mongerers beware, I thought maybe I was the only one that had a bad experience with her, but seeing someone else post something very similar surely this girl is trouble.[/QUOTE]You are very smart for figuring this chic out before she had time to do damage.

Thanks for posting your experience with all of us. It does help.

Fuck all you can while you can because if you are like most of us it will not last long enough.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1482046]I don't have a picture, but she is at Rumba during the afternoon hours or walking along the strip. I've also spotted her at Rumba at night, she is usually with one other friend. Yes I know that might not help much. But.

She has blonde hair, braces, a pretty face. Hair is curly, but I have seen it straight before. No eyebrows. Nice ass. Tattoo of her name right above it and she has a star tattoo on her stomach as the other poster said. She was actually nice to talk to at first, when I was with her. But her attitude changes completely once you're in the bedroom, and it's very noticeable. And she does this because I think she wants you to not be happy and kick her out and she gets her money. Except she wants more, and she tells you that you fucked too much. Yeah. 5 minutes and not finishing is too much? Right. And then her rent is due the next day. And she has a kid. And she has nothing. Hey, I've gone through that with a couple other girls before. But her attitude in particular is just nasty and I can see why one might be worried if they are with her. I've been with girls that will give you the guilt trip about money, and then you have Ashley who will pretty much demand it.[/QUOTE]Is this her?

This information is from Casa Cayena's Facebook page:

Sosua News 01/11/2013.

Last week there was meeting of the owners of the bars in the Pedro Clisante with the Director of Tourism of Sosúa.

In this meeting, the Director stated that the bars should be blinded in Pedro Clisante before October 16. That is, to preserve innocent passersby of a glimpse into the bars of the Pedro Clisante. The regulation applies to Bar Central, El Flow, Bar Thick Herman, the Merenguebar, the Rumba Bar and the bar of Willy the vice mayor. Thick Herman is already busy to blind his bar with a wooden wall. The owner of Bar El Flow is also working on the blinds and an air-co as it could obviously get very hot in an enclosed space. Reportedly the owner of the Merenguebar however refuses to blind his bar. He believes that there is no reason to do so.

Nope. Hair color similar, length similar, but not her. She is maybe a shade darker than that girl. Close though, I needed to look at that one twice but this Ashley that I am talking about has poutier lips. She also usually has her hair straight when out at night, but not always. And her eyes are green. The girl in that pic has brown eyes.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1482520]Is this her?[/QUOTE]

That is very Dominican. Anything goes as long as it is covered, hidden, painted, and behind closed doors. Cabanas are how upstanding citizens, celebrities and government people get sleazy. Where else can a product like Mistolin be the top cleaning product? It is nothing but water, perfume, artificial color and just enough soap to make suds, no disinfectant. I hate it when my cleaning lady tries to make me buy it.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1482658]This information is from Casa Cayena's Facebook page:

Sosua News 01/11/2013.

Last week there was meeting of the owners of the bars in the Pedro Clisante with the Director of Tourism of Sosúa.

In this meeting, the Director stated that the bars should be blinded in Pedro Clisante before October 16. That is, to preserve innocent passersby of a glimpse into the bars of the Pedro Clisante. The regulation applies to Bar Central, El Flow, Bar Thick Herman, the Merenguebar, the Rumba Bar and the bar of Willy the vice mayor. Thick Herman is already busy to blind his bar with a wooden wall. The owner of Bar El Flow is also working on the blinds and an air-co as it could obviously get very hot in an enclosed space. Reportedly the owner of the Merenguebar however refuses to blind his bar. He believes that there is no reason to do so.[/QUOTE]

Looks like a known lesbian flaca. Nothing but trouble.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1482520]Is this her?[/QUOTE]Always with her lezo girlfriend, took them to La Hacienda where the girlfriend watched as Ashley put double condoms on my wanker, then set the clock. Could not have gotten much worse. These girls toot up in the ladies room. Wired each of the two times I have seen them. Bad news.

Well bros, I'm on day 13 of an 18 day trip. Starting on Oct 1. My trip is going as follows. I'll start in the middle. Starting 2 mornings ago. I met a pair of young chicas I've seen walking around all over town, and at the beach. But this particular morning while sitting at NG I took a number (no pun intended) from the one with the red streaks in her hair. I like to grab numbers from cute chicas that have the potential of being candidates. It's no guarantee I'll call them, but I like to take numbers in case I want to check any of them out.

My San Pedro chica has been here in Sosua since Oct 8. So as you can gather, my solo fun started earlier on Oct 1, before she got there. I would consider her a non pro with semi pro tendencies. However, since I don't know what the fuck she does in San Pedro (she lost her job, and has an apartment, she could be a full time pro in San Pedro, or elsewhere, and I just don't know it?)

Anyway, yesterday morning I'm having breakfast at Sinatras restaurant (formerly PJ's ). This is quite a change from my usual of going to NG for breakfast. But this is cool. There aint no dudes or chicas all over the place, like I would see at NG or Baileys. I cook my turkey bacon in my spot, and take it with me, since most restaurants don't have it on their menu. Terra Linda has turkey bacon, but damn that place is expensive. So is Baileys. Them damn taxes.

Ok, while having breakfast with my SP chica, the 2 chicas I bumped into near NG (the previous morning) walked by on their way to the playa. The one whose number I got kept turning around looking and smiling at me. My chica didn't notice it, and I didn't pay much attention to her. They kept walking. The thing I noticed, is that the chica I liked had a nice body.

After breakfast, my chica wanted to go to the salon. Dropped her off, and now I have maybe 2 hours to kill. My mind starts working. I am not much of a day time action kinda guy. But I was thinking about how scrumptious that red haired chica's ass looked in those tight shorts. I texted her 1st to ask where she was, and then followed it up with a phone call. Meanwhile I don't know how long it will take for my chica to finish up at the salon.

So I'm on limited time. It took a few minutes for her to respond. But damn! I know my spanish is basic. But damn this chica had me struggling to get across to her that I wanted to meet up with her. My plan was to take her to the cabana. With all of this awkward communication problems going on, I was ready to abort, and just check her out some other time.

And thats what I told her. I went to Rockys to chill for a while. Red haired girl eventually shows up. I had forgot that I mentioned Rockys to her on the phone. I told her we will have to try another time. She "claims" she is leaving tomorrow for santo domingo. Okay, if I can I'll look for you tonight. Or I'll see you when come back. I can tell this isn't what she wants to hear. She wants my business. Doesn't want to miss the $$$ in my pocket.

Later, after coming back from Cabarete, I told my SP chica that I'm stepping out to hang out with my friends. Called red haired girl, and eventually got her to meet me at NG. It's about 7:30pm Got her in the car, and started to get some things straight. Let her know what I like, find out what she doesn't do or like. I don't want my time wasted. Things went well, and her body language indicated I was going to have a good time with her. Checked her cedula. She's 23 but looks younger. In the cabana, she didn't disappoint.

Pulled into Dulce Secreto. Chose a standard, that has a shower. 590 pesos. The executive unit takes too much time to fill the Jacuzzi tub. Besides I wasnt intending to get romantic or spoon with this chica.

This is one of the rare times where I was the one sort of concerned about my time, instead of the chica having a dude on the clock. There was no rush on her part. She showered, then I. Got in the bed and she starting sucking me. Good feel so far. But I'm nasty. I want to eat her pussy. We get into 69, and I suck her pussy like I usually do. I had her moaning and eventually she came. Her body is very nice. Her tits stand up with nice nipples. Her ass was round, but very soft and feels great in my hands. She puts a condom on me, and rides me until I come. I had no interest in putting in work (changing positions etc ). I'm going to have to do that with my SP chica later anyhow. We finished and got cleaned up. Gave her the pesos, and dropped her off close to Four Roses bar.

Now I have a new juice source down the road. Got back to my spot, and my chica is just chilling watching TV and waiting for me. Whats cool about her, is that she comes very easily. She is getting used to my dick, and getting off quicker and more intensely than when we 1st started fucking in August. After watching TV, she was ready to fuck. Ironically enough, I was surprised that I was able to get it up and get her off. Thank goodness she came within 5 minutes. When it was my turn, I let her ride me until I came. Good thing thing she wasnt checking my leche volume. Because I didn't have much left. Last nights move was a nice change of pace. I could have done the cabana twice, because my blondie chica was calling me too. She is already used to doing the cabana with me when my spot was occupied. I ignored her calls though. I already had her earlier in the week. Plus she has a tendency to be late for the time we agree to meet. Her constantly doing that puts her on my low priority list. Maybe she'll learn to respect my time, maybe she won't.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1483187]Well bros, I'm on day 13 of an 18 day trip. Starting on Oct 1. My trip is going as follows. I'll start in the middle. Starting 2 mornings ago. I met a pair of young chicas I've seen walking around all over town, and at the beach. But this particular morning while sitting at NG I took a number (no pun intended) from the one with the red streaks in her hair. I like to grab numbers from cute chicas that have the potential of being candidates. It's no guarantee I'll call them, but I like to take numbers in case I want to check any of them out.

My San Pedro chica has been here in Sosua since Oct 8. So as you can gather, my solo fun started earlier on Oct 1, before she got there. I would consider her a non pro with semi pro tendencies. However, since I don't know what the fuck she does in San Pedro (she lost her job, and has an apartment, she could be a full time pro in San Pedro, or elsewhere, and I just don't know it?)

Anyway, yesterday morning I'm having breakfast at Sinatras restaurant (formerly PJ's ). This is quite a change from my usual of going to NG for breakfast. But this is cool. There aint no dudes or chicas all over the place, like I would see at NG or Baileys. I cook my turkey bacon in my spot, and take it with me, since most restaurants don't have it on their menu. Terra Linda has turkey bacon, but damn that place is expensive. So is Baileys. Them damn taxes.

Ok, while having breakfast with my SP chica, the 2 chicas I bumped into near NG (the previous morning) walked by on their way to the playa. The one whose number I got kept turning around looking and smiling at me. My chica didn't notice it, and I didn't pay much attention to her. They kept walking. The thing I noticed, is that the chica I liked had a nice body...[/QUOTE]Sosua is great, probably the best monger location in the Americas both North and South, in my opinion. But if I had 18 days I'd be in Asia, Sosua is for a four or five day trip any longer and its Asia. I was in Thailand about three months ago for twenty days and slept with over seventy women. I love Sosua, but I love Asia even more.

Chris

Was in Sosua about 5 years ago and was wondering what the going rates are for Chicas these days. I recall the prices being about 1,000 pesos short time and 2,000 to 3,000 Pesos for TLN for the girls from the two main bars in town.

What are the going rates these days.

Thanks

My buddy got back yesterday. 1500 to 2000 for St seems to be the rate.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1483440]Was in Sosua about 5 years ago and was wondering what the going rates are for Chicas these days. I recall the prices being about 1, 000 pesos short time and 2, 000 to 3, 000 Pesos for TLN for the girls from the two main bars in town.

What are the going rates these days.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1483440]Was in Sosua about 5 years ago and was wondering what the going rates are for Chicas these days. I recall the prices being about 1, 000 pesos short time and 2, 000 to 3, 000 Pesos for TLN for the girls from the two main bars in town.

What are the going rates these days.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Gone up by a third or so in line with the fall in the peso, so no change in terms of the US$.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1483440]Was in Sosua about 5 years ago and was wondering what the going rates are for Chicas these days. I recall the prices being about 1, 000 pesos short time and 2, 000 to 3, 000 Pesos for TLN for the girls from the two main bars in town.

What are the going rates these days.

Thanks[/QUOTE]As always, it depends on context, time of day, overhead costs, etc. If you are staying at a chica-friendly hotel, then you have no additional costs, but if you need to rent a room to do the deed, this needs to be considered.

I would start negotiations at 1000 pesos for short time, but be prepared to go up as you negotiate and determine what is to be done and how it is to be done. I find it always best to have some kind of terminal bonus on offer for superior performance. A fuck is just a fuck and has no intrinsic value, but a truly erotic experience is worth paying for. The negotiation process should also be part of the foreplay, as it enables a discussion of deeds to be done, which can be a turn on.

You can offer 1000 and if the girl says "Whom are you kidding, I need at least 2000 pesos", you can use this as an entry to say that you always pay 1000 and ask her what she does that makes her worth the big money. Then you tell her that you don't feel like sex today, because your guevo is tired, which will really get her dander up and make her determined to show you that she can get the job done.

You can always walk away and start negotiations with someone else, so don't show too much eagerness.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483383]I was in Thailand about three months ago for twenty days and slept with over seventy women. I love Sosua, but I love Asia even more.

Chris[/QUOTE]How does a 50is, overweight (your description in your BB report) fellow manage to sleep with so many women in a relatively short time period? Viagra and Red Bull? What is your secret?

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1483774]How does a 50is, overweight (your description in your BB report) fellow manage to sleep with so many women in a relatively short time period? Viagra and Red Bull? What is your secret?[/QUOTE]Asian women are like Chinese meals. You can enjoy one but an two hours later you are hungry again.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1483774]How does a 50is, overweight (your description in your BB report) fellow manage to sleep with so many women in a relatively short time period? Viagra and Red Bull? What is your secret?[/QUOTE]I usually sleep with three to five (or more) women a day when I monger. Doesn't everyone?

I thought we all slept with that many women when we monger, isn't that normal for everyone?

Chris

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1483786]Asian women are like Chinese meals. You can enjoy one but an two hours later you are hungry again.[/QUOTE]LOL, have you seen the photos posted over there in that forum? Those meals would be pretty hard to digest. Maybe it is just me, but I like my women looking more womanly than boyish.

Every now and then you will see a photo posted with a female with (some) curves. But they are few, far, and between.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1483790]LOL, have you seen the photos posted over there in that forum? Those meals would be pretty hard to digest. Maybe it is just me, but I like my women looking more womanly than boyish.

Every now and then you will see a photo posted with a female with (some) curves. But they are few, far, and between.[/QUOTE]That is more so due to the tastes of those particular people who posts fotos in that section and is not to be taken as a direct representation of the general population. Just think if only guys like CP posted in this thread. Then everyone who looked here would think there were no Dominicans in DR.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1483804]Just think if only guys like CP posted in this thread. Then everyone who looked here would think there were no Dominicans in DR.[/QUOTE]Duly noted, LOL!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1483804]Then everyone who looked here would think there were no Dominicans in DR.[/QUOTE]One can but dream.

I usually can only handle 1, unless that 1 was a lousy experience, and then I just want to a second to get it out of my mind!

But on a scale of 1 to 10, compared to the exploits of most of you here, I am probably a 1. Haha. But then, I am quite the exception, compared to a lot of you guys here.

I truly like being with a nice chica, I am confortable being with. On the outside. Meaning someone who looks good and dresses well and has a carefree and plesant, easygoing attitude / manner. So, the GFE experience gives me more pleasure. And, I prefer the Latin chicas over the ones in Pattaya or Manila, anytime. But that is a personal taste thing! To each his own!

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483789]I usually sleep with three to five (or more) women a day when I monger. Doesn't everyone?

I thought we all slept with that many women when we monger, isn't that normal for everyone?

Chris[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483789]I usually sleep with three to five (or more) women a day when I monger. Doesn't everyone?

I thought we all slept with that many women when we monger, isn't that normal for everyone?

Chris[/QUOTE]No. Two is my max in one day and that's on a good day. If I didn't use condoms, I could go more, but that's not happening.

First day in Sosua was a lazy Sunday early evening. First stop cmp.

Me and my rodie walk in and the line up ensues. Selected a stunning one to sit and chat.

She quotes me 2000 for an hour off we go to pay for the room.

The cashier an older lady with dyed redish brown hair charges 2500 for the room.

Gringo mark up maybe. I hand her 3000 and she says when I return I will receive change.

Hmmm. Once in the room this solid 9 ask me for a massage. Wth. Ok no problem.

I proceed to massage and fondle. Once she was relaxed I served her a proper pounding.

She wanted more and more (maybe). After a good bit of time passed it happened.

The dreaded casa door knock every monger fears. But with a cmp twist.

They say since I went over an hour I have to pay double. I promptly told them F. U.

The girl I was with was genuinely terrified and begged me to comply or problems for her

And bigger problems for me. I started thinking about the fellow who was set up in a similar fashion.

And ended up in jail over a padded cmp bill. The main reason I paid was to punish myself.

For not heading the warning of several posters here to stay away from cmp.

For some reason I went with the folks who swear by the place and say they never had a problem.

These cmp cheer leaders will be popping up soon. If you don't like being robbed cheated or falsely.

Imprisoned stay the F out of cmp. That is all.

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[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483789]I usually sleep with three to five (or more) women a day when I monger. Doesn't everyone?

I thought we all slept with that many women when we monger, isn't that normal for everyone?

Chris[/QUOTE] Chris, you really raised the bar for me to unattainable heights. At your rate I would be out of leche before you know it and shooting blanks. You're my hero.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483383]Sosua is great, probably the best monger location in the Americas both North and South, in my opinion. But if I had 18 days I'd be in Asia, Sosua is for a four or five day trip any longer and its Asia. I was in Thailand about three months ago for twenty days and slept with over seventy women. I love Sosua, but I love Asia even more.

Chris[/QUOTE]True, Sosua is great for mongering. I think I understood, that 4 or 5 days in Sosua is enough for you. Seems mongering is the main thing occupying your time when you go to Sosua? Which is cool for the individual with limited time, or one choosing to spend only for 4 or 5 days in Sosua. However, I could stay up to 3 months in the DR, and reside in Sosua and be cool with that. Why? Because I find so much more to do with my time other than mongering and maximizing my sex count with women.

Everybody is different. Have different circumstances. Different interests, tolerances, motivations, time constraints, goals, social connections etc. How one chooses to spend their time, may not be the same for someone else. And therefore each persons experiences and conclusions of a particular location (in this case Sosua) and what it represents to them, may and will be different. BTW, Asia and other mongering destinations have been in my sights for the near future. I have a strange feeling I might like Thailand a whole lot, and may end up doing long vacations there or becoming a part time resident.

I say that because, I often wondered why so many dudes vacation in Thailand, and eventually end up living there full time? I'm sure it aint only to bang women everyday?

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483789]I usually sleep with three to five (or more) women a day when I monger. Doesn't everyone?

I thought we all slept with that many women when we monger, isn't that normal for everyone?[/QUOTE]I once had sex with 5 women during the course of an afternoon and evening, three singles and a brace, but I don't think I finished with all of them. However, by halfway through day 2 I would be bored with that level of activity and looking for something else to do.

Got up and out around 9am and went to the office (Rockys restaurant ). I was hoping to catch up with a dude I met the day before to see if he wanted to have breakfast. Nobody around, so I have some herbal tea. I'm sitting in the front by the curb and spot a dominican lady who looked like she could be on her way to work. She was about to get on a moto in front of the little market next door. We made eye contact and immediately she detected some interest coming from me, and hesitated long enough for me to suggest she come over to where I was.

She came over, and I noticed the moto guy didn't leave. I figured he was going to stay until she was finished talking, and then he would carry her off to whereever she was going. Everything happens pretty quick. I offered her to come sit with me and have breakfast.

At that moment she claims the moto guy was her brother. Okay, now I see why he didn't leave, even after she sat down with me. She motioned him to come over to meet me, and next thing I know I have two guests for breakfast instead of one. Good thing I was at Rockys instead of lets say Terra Linda or Baileys restaurant. The bill would have been double.

Anyway, after some brief exchange of conversation and contact information, they leave. The understanding was. After she got her phone straight, she could call me later so we could possibly get together. BTW during the conversation, the dude posing as her brother didn't say much. He spoke to her in spanish, but not much initiative towards me. He caame off as a little shy. The woman in typical fashion started telling me that she was unemployed and how it is to find a job etc etc.

When she pulled out her phone she was making it a point of letting me know her phone had problems. I don't know if she was trying to say the phone was damaged or that it didn't have minutes. Either way, the info was likely for me to consider doing something about it. I ignored all of that, because I was already paying attention to the fact that I'm committed to paying for two strangers breakfast and I only would want sex from one of them. And it aint the one with the helmet.

On one hand this might be a good juice prospect, but on the other hand she could end up being a pain in the ass and start hitting me up for requests for shit, and favors. To be honest. Since I thought that is where things could go, it wouldn't have bothered me one bit if she never called. As somewhat of a precaution, I gave her my alternate DR number, instead of my main DR number.

Later that afternoon. My new buddy was at Rockys and he called me to tell me that the lady I met earlier this morning was at Rockys looking for me.

I found out later that she was calling the phone number I gave her, but I didn't know she was calling. I decided to leave my hotel and go meet her. When I got there, she had changed her clothes, and put on a little makeup. Look like she was ready for a date. There was just one thing wrong with her accessories. She had her damn brother with her again? I'm thinking, I hope homey isn't thinking he's getting lunch on me too? She made it clear she was there for me, and he was just dropping her off. I was concerned for a minute because it looked like he was going to follow us to my spot.

He broke off and went elsewhere. I asked if she was hungry, so we went to Rickys rest for some dominican cuisine, and then headed to my spot. We eat, and then sit on the couch. Before long she is laying her head on my lap. My dick was beginning to stiffen so I know the back of her head was feeling something. Here's a description upon 1st meeting. She was about 5'4" light brown complected with long black hair. Her best feature was this scrumptious ass and perfect hips. Not those wide ass hips. She was wearing tight brown stretch pants, and a blouse that allowed you to see she had perky small breasts with cute edible nipples. When she met me again at Rockys she had changed into similar slacks but they were black, and her blouse matched the pants.

While she was laying on the couch, she let me caress her tits over her blouse. I told her I want a massage. No hesitation, she agreed to that. She gave me an excellent massage. BTW, she was born in 71' so that makes her in her early 40's? When it was her turn for a massage she didn't hesitate to strip and lay flat for me. She was average in looks as far as the face, but her body in clothes didn't seem like a woman in her 40's. She had on a sexy red thong on. Normally I like women with full panties. But I must say, she looked very sexy in that red thong. Her body was great without clothes. After the massage we started kissing, and then she reached down and saw I had a problem.

She pushed me back, pulled my briefs off, and started sucking me. The womans head game was on point. I know she would know how to satisfy me to completion. So maybe I'll get to experience that down the road. I'm feeling for moisture while she is sucking me, and I am happy to experience a well lubricated hole. I can't stand them dry ass women. Of course I had to get my licky before sticky on as well. It was all good. Nice sensitive pussy. Next is some good ol fashion fucking. Mind you this is going on in the afternoon. I'm typically more comfortable going at it at night. However for an afternoon session she was great.

Afterwards we both showered up, I put some pesos in her carry bag, and walked her out to the corner to catch a moto. Earlier she talked about me coming to her house tomorrow (which is now today ). I am debating on that. But I wouldn't mind housing that again. And this is one of the things I like about coming to the DR, and Sosua specifically. By chance pussy (pro, non pro, semi pro etc) and opportunities are just about anywhere. Once again, the DR has proven, appointments and / or a game plan to meet women or get pussy is not a requirement.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1483997]Chris, You're my hero.[/QUOTE]Ditto! Helluva nice guy, too. Always helpful.

[QUOTE=Catfish Hunter; 1483916]First day in Sosua was a lazy Sunday early evening. First stop cmp.

Me and my rodie walk in and the line up ensues. Selected a stunning one to sit and chat.

She quotes me 2000 for an hour off we go to pay for the room.

The cashier an older lady with dyed redish brown hair charges 2500 for the room.

Gringo mark up maybe. I hand her 3000 and she says when I return I will receive change.

Hmmm. Once in the room this solid 9 ask me for a massage. Wth. Ok no problem.

I proceed to massage and fondle. Once she was relaxed I served her a proper pounding.

She wanted more and more (maybe). After a good bit of time passed it happened.

The dreaded casa door knock every monger fears. But with a cmp twist.

They say since I went over an hour I have to pay double. I promptly told them F. U.

The girl I was with was genuinely terrified and begged me to comply or problems for her

And bigger problems for me. I started thinking about the fellow who was set up in a similar fashion.

And ended up in jail over a padded cmp bill. The main reason I paid was to punish myself.

For not heading the warning of several posters here to stay away from cmp.

For some reason I went with the folks who swear by the place and say they never had a problem.

These cmp cheer leaders will be popping up soon. If you don't like being robbed cheated or falsely.

Imprisoned stay the F out of cmp.[/QUOTE]That's fucked up bro. Sorry to hear that happened to you. I've never used Passions or CMP while in Sosua. Never was any need to. CMP sounds like a clip joint.

BTW, anyone have an update on Peter's "New" Passions Bar/Restaurant?

[QUOTE=Catfish Hunter;1483916]First day in Sosua was a lazy Sunday early evening. First stop CMP.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. We get plenty bragging about their successes but not many have the balls to post about their mistakes. But we actually learn more from the latter.

Not that I personally learned anything. I live here and all the ex-pats already know what scammers CMP are because we hear so many stories like yours.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484035]I ignored all of that, because I was already paying attention to the fact that I'm committed to paying for two strangers breakfast and I only would want sex from one of them. And it aint the one with the helmet.

And this is one of the things I like about coming to the DR, and Sosua specifically. By chance pussy (pro, non pro, semi pro etc) and opportunities are just about anywhere. Once again, the DR has proven, appointments and / or a game plan to meet women or get pussy is not a requirement.[/QUOTE]Good report bro. With the amount of time you are putting in to the DR on this trip I am surprised you haven't hopped in your rental and went exploring the other side of the island (SD). But it is always better if you can get them to come to you (like your San Pedro chica).

Had a 3 week stay from mid Sept. to Oct. There are 3 main things for my vacation, rest, chicas, good food. Sosua go through many changes. Love it or hate it? I never want to leave it. The bars-club put up the window frames, but no window screens when I was there. Many new girls every year I return. My hang out bar is Rumba. There were a number of thunder storms in my last week, it did not destroy the fun The beaches of punta cana bavaro have spoiled me. Only went to the beach here once. There is a Haitian woman named Brazila who gives an excellent professional massage. Highly recommend her. PM me for phone number. Photo of her provided in this report. Had a dental cleaning at the Dental Center for 1500 peso.

Mongers. 100 pesos is nothing, If you give 100 pesos to every guy and girl begging everyday you will lose a lot of money. Don't be an ATM machine. Also, when girls try to rush you back to hotel room, I let them know when I will be ready. Take charge, this is my vacation. Let them leave if they can't wait for you. Plenty of chicas available Had some girls for 1000 peso or 1500 ST. Many girls will refuse 1000 pesos, but you can still find some will take 1000 peso ST. Haitian girls are cheaper and provide good sex. But I've had more slamming banging off the hook bomb sex from Dominicanas that just blows me away.

Remember to try and have positive relations with the locals, guys and girls, most will always remember you on your return to Sosua. This is the first year I did not see the police hassle the girls. Again Every time I'm here, there is always a fight in El Flow bar. What ever changes Sosua is going through, make Sosua your own. I still have fun the end of Sosua? I don't see it yet. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1484127]Thanks for posting. We get plenty bragging about their successes but not many have the balls to post about their mistakes. But we actually learn more from the latter.

Not that I personally learned anything. I live here and all the ex-pats already know what scammers CMP are because we hear so many stories like yours.[/QUOTE]In the DR people will often greet you as "my friend". Anyone who greets you as "my friend" IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. Brothel owners are not your friend. Pimps are not your friend. The owners of CMP are not your friends. The motoconcho drivers who offer to take you to CMP are not your friends, and almost certainly get a commission from the house for bringing you in. When you go to a place like CMP everyone is in on the rip off except for one person-you. The overpriced drinks, food, chica drinks, rooms, sex, surcharges, it is all a plan to separate you from your money.

People like myself and Pooter may be senile old farts, but when we say we stick to freelance Haitianas, there is a reason for this. Much better sex for much less money without the involvement of bloodsucking intermediaries.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1484187]People like myself and Pooter may be senile old farts.[/QUOTE]I RESENT THAT! I have never thought of you as a senile old fart, Frannie, my friend. (Isn't the word "old" redundant there, by the way, or can there be senile young farts? If so, some of the posters here might answer to that description)

[QUOTE=Frannie;1484187]. when we say we stick to freelance Haitianas, there is a reason for this. Much better sex for much less money without the involvement of bloodsucking intermediaries.[/QUOTE]That is my recipe, but I would never force it on others. Most Americans don't like black girls, for starters. Others insist on girls who can speak English and / or Spanish. And the fewer who go for freelance haitianas the more are left for you and me.

I don't have much money, and when I part with it for sex I do like to feel it is going to be well used, to help the chica or her family. It would upset me to think some lazy pimp is taking half of it.

Of course I am not so naïve as to ever be confident where all the money is going. But after a few years here I have a much better sense of who are the "honest" girls who are working to survive or better themselves rather than support a habit or a chulo.

If these guys would screw Rick over a resident. What would they do to a newbie. I think cmp may be on its last leg.

They are getting bad press for a reason. I take my chances with the free lancers. We need to boycott the joint.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1484117]That's fucked up bro. Sorry to hear that happened to you. I've never used Passions or CMP while in Sosua. Never was any need to. CMP sounds like a clip joint.

BTW, anyone have an update on Peter's "New" Passions Bar / Restaurant?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1483383]I was in Thailand about three months ago for twenty days and slept with over seventy women. I love Sosua, but I love Asia even more.

Chris[/QUOTE]Good report as always, Chris. I met some extremely cool females in Thailand. With the abundance of women, the beaches, shopping, food, etc. Thailand is definitely high on my list. I don't think I will go back until I can spend at least a month to 3 months there. The chica in the pic was one of my favs in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1484287]If these guys would screw Rick over a resident. What would they do to a newbie. I think cmp may be on its last leg.

They are getting bad press for a reason. I take my chances with the free lancers. We need to boycott the joint.[/QUOTE]Apparently they've greased all the right palms because Peter's spot got shut the fuck down, and CMP is still open!

We need Alex and Shamster to come and explain this one to us because we were told that Sosua was in full cleanup mode to prepare for the cruise ships (lol).

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1484278]Most Americans don't like black girls, for starters.[/QUOTE]Don't know where you got that from. Maybe you were trying to say "dark-skinned girls"? Mongers sure aren't coming to the DR for Caucasian females, LOL.

If you read any interviews from Black Men in America describing why they go to the DR to meet women, the recurring sentiment is almost always "because you can find a sistah (black woman) without the American attitude and bullshit".

Seriously, anyone can browse Dominican Cupid and see that the same "Dominican" chicas on there would be considered "Black" anywhere in America. Even the light-skinned Dominicanas. In the same vein, someone like Alicia Keys (Black) would probably be considered a "Dominicana" in the DR. Hell, I'm positive you could find someone of the same skin complexion in Haiti just as you can in Nigeria (if any of you have never seen light skinned Africans before, then you need to get out more, lol).

Just for the record:

[b]Black in Latin America: Full Episode: Haiti & the Dominican Republic: An Island Divided[/b]

[i]In the Dominican Republic, Professor Gates explores how race has been socially constructed in a society whose people reflect centuries of inter-marriage, and how the country's troubled history with Haiti informs notions about racial classification. In Haiti, Professor Gates tells the story of the birth of the first-ever black republic, and finds out how the slaves's hard fight for liberation over Napoleon Bonaparte's French Empire became a double-edged sword. [/i]

[url]http://www.pbs.org/wnet/black-in-latin-america/featured/haiti-the-dominican-republic-an-island-divided-watch-full-episode/165/[/url]

I don't go to the DR saying "I'm only going to bang light-skinned females", but some guys do. The photos I have posted over the years has been of females from the darkest (Haitians) to the lightest color spectrum. If her body is banging, then she could be purple for all I care, lol!

[quote=savepros321;1484299]if you read any interviews from black men in america describing why they go to the dr to meet women, the recurring sentiment is almost always "because you can find a sistah (black woman) without the american attitude and bullshit".[/quote]from media takeout:

[b]august 21, 2012:[/b] essence magazine just put a whole lotta dudes relationships in jeopardy. in this month's issue, they have a rep001hing report on the dominican republic. and how it's the new place of choice for black men looking to get prostitutes.

now before we get to the report, we have to put out there that essence magazine is 100% owned by a big corporation and it is no longer owned by black folk. so this could be just another effort by corporate america to destroy black folk.

anyways, [b]essence interviewed a number of black men[/b] who were very candid about going to dr to pay for women. they claim that:

- the dominican republic is cheap. you can go to an all inclusive resort for just $600 a week. and women there cost only $20.

- the dominican women know how to "respect" black men, unlike black women. yes, essence printed that mess!

- black women need to learn about "values" from dominican prostitutes. yes, essence printed that sh*t too!

- dominican women have light-skin-and-long-hair, the features that fill the "sweet spot" for black men. the f*ck is wrong with them :o.

all in all, the moral of the story is. if your man took a "getaway trip" with his boys to the dominican in the past year. girl get yourself tested. and then, get in that azz!

[url]http://www.mediatakeout.com/57938/exclusive-report-essence-magazine-sh-ts-on-black-women-in-it-s-new-expose-of-black-men-and-their-secret-f-ck-trips-to-the-dominican-republic.html[/url]

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[b]pay special attention to what is said in the second photo attached!![/b]

[i]"you see these successful black guys in the states," says john. "the first thing we do when we get money is find a white girl. but really, white women don't have that black shape and presence. so you go to the dominican women."[/i]

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i've added a couple of photos from my personal stock for effect. enjoy! -savepros

[quote=savepros321; 1484310]from media takeout:

[b]august 21, 2012:[/b] essence magazine just put a whole lotta dudes relationships in jeopardy. in this month's issue, they have a rep001hing report on the dominican republic. and how it's the new place of choice for black men looking to get prostitutes.[/quote]essence magazine seems to run some version of this story every few months.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1484293]Apparently they've greased all the right palms because Peter's spot got shut the fuck down, and CMP is still open!

We need Alex and Shamster to come and explain this one to us because we were told that Sosua was in full cleanup mode to prepare for the cruise ships (LOL).[/QUOTE]That's a great point. Maybe CMP paid someone to have Passions shut down. They couldn't beat them straight-up.

I wonder, are any of the old Passions girls now working at CMP?

[QUOTE=Combo;1484359]I wonder, are any of the old Passions girls now working at CMP?[/QUOTE]In August, there were 7 Passion girls working at CMP.

For whatever reason, I never had a problem at CMP and I go there 2-4 times each trip to Sosua. I rarely take the girls on site, but usually meet them when they get off work without any issues. I like hanging out in the big couches watching the girls play and hunt new dudes when they come in the place.

I've never been short changed and only buy the cheapest beer for the women. I think Brother D had a good time there as well. Maybe it is just my free flowing attitude; not sure.

[quote=savepros321; 1484310]from media takeout:

[b]august 21, 2012:[/b] essence magazine just put a whole lotta dudes relationships in jeopardy. in this month's issue, they have a rep001hing report on the dominican republic. and how it's the new place of choice for black men looking to get prostitutes.

now before we get to the report, we have to put out there that essence magazine is 100% owned by a big corporation and it is no longer owned by black folk. so this could be just another effort by corporate america to destroy black folk.

anyways, [b]essence interviewed a number of black men[/b] who were very candid about going to dr to pay for women. they claim that:

- the dominican republic is cheap. you can go to an all inclusive resort for just $600 a week. and women there cost only $20...[/quote]dominican republic is no secret anymore, even the tsa agents at the airport be laughing and telling me "your going to the dominican republic be careful i heard there is a lot of prostitutes so strap up.

also a lot of brothers do not know how to keep there mouth closed when they come back, they feel they have to tell everybody and that is there own demise.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1484140]Good report bro. With the amount of time you are putting in to the DR on this trip I am surprised you haven't hopped in your rental and went exploring the other side of the island (SD). But it is always better if you can get them to come to you (like your San Pedro chica).[/QUOTE]I have a trip report from August posted here somewhere. In that trip I was in the DR for 15 days, flew into Santiago, and split my time between Santiago, SD and Sosua.

I thought this trip I would travel to where many of my contacts were, like Hato Mayor, Santiago, SD etc. It's just that finding chicas right here in and around Sosua made those exploratory trips unnecessary. By the time I put all of the variables together, I surmised it might not work out for the best.

For example : If I visit the chica with a job in Hato Mayor. When is she available? What are her expectations? Where do I stay? How long do I stay in her town? How much inconvenience and / or drama will have to endure while kicking it with her? How much gas and expenses will it cost during the whole trip? Only seen profile Photos, so we both really don't know what each of us looks like.

In SD it may be easier. I could tell the contacts to jump in a taxi and meet me someplace I'm comfortable with. If one contact falls through, I can call another one. I could call my ex regular. She would be glad to see me. I could check out GPB for 1, 000 peso girls, or explore some streetwalkers etc. So in SD there may be more options.

But the thing that stops all of that plotting to go elsewhere, is the fact that chicas from all over the country are coming to Sosua to fuck. Occasionally you can find chicas that come to Sosua with relatively low p4p miles on them. Or in some cases they might be brand spanking new to the scene. Random chicas looking to bring home some cash.

For most of us, all we need is some good pussy. It aint necessary to travel all over the country just to bust nuts in different towns. There has to be something else one is getting out of the experience other than saying, I went to La Romana to get some pussy. I went to Esperanza to get some pussy there.

In Sosua way east of Rumba, on Pedro Clisante or scoot over to avenida / calle Alejo Martinez, in these neighborhoods there are local women all over the place that are open for p4p. I met a Haitian chica last night walking with her cousin about a block from Passions. More on her later. In addition many of the hotels and rooming houses where chicas stay when they come to Sosua are on this end of town. There is also a rooming house by City Lights bar where chicas from all over stay. I met one last night that had a City Lights band on her wrist. She said she was from SD. More on her later.

A dude from NY staying at Sosua Suites was out walking last night. I was sitting in the office (Rockys ). I told him to take a ride with me, and I'll show him some other parts of town. He heard about Passions and he heard about CMP. But since he never been inside, I suggested he at least take a look inside of CMP. Passions was closed.

I walked over to the little desk and asked to see the menu of services. There had to be about 20 or more chicas in there, and about 3 to 5 guys at the most visible in the lounge area. This is a 1st. None and I mean none of the girls did the swarm thing. If they were planted on a couch or chair they stayed there. I'm not saying some didn't try to entice us with body movement, staring or "hey baby" banter. But most of it was done at a respectable distance. And the majority kept on doing whatever they were doing before we rolled in. As far as talent. There were some nice looking women in there of all shapes and sizes. Many light brown complected women. To me they were no different than any of the women currently on the strip. It's just that they were done up to look sexier than they really are, with the makeup, high heels, and skimpy outfit or thong bikini.

But I know better. I've stayed at Mary Rose back in May / June and learned rather quickly, that many of these chicas stay at one of those hotels a couple of feet from Mary Rose. You can catch these women going to the local colmado, or just see them out and about. Or find a way to get their numbers or slip them a number, and make arrangements with them off duty. I'm sure many of these girls would love to keep all of the money they earn rather than their place of employment getting a cut.

When they aint working in CMP, you might not even recognize any of these chicas, because they don't look as stunning in normal attire as they do done up at CMP. In fact. Most of these chicas, including the ones freelancing all over Sosua. You take off all of that makeup, hair do, get them off of those 5 inch pedestals they have on theior feet, pull off the padded bras from those thin chicks. And you got a chica that is basically a plain jane girl you might not give a second look to. Thats how I look at many of these chicas. I say to my self. How is she going to look once she does the transformer jedi trick in my spot? After that realization, them types asking $2500 to 4000 pesos for their time becomes a ridiculous proposition and a ripoff.

I have to say, I kinda felt sorry for some of these girls in CMP. Ready to work but no clients to work on. And then I thought about all of the chicas currently at Rumbas and D'Latins still looking for clients and may not have fucked anybody yet. For many of the chicas thinking of themselves as dimes, they'll stick to their ridiculous p4p prices even if it means not having any clients. And I saw a bunch of those around at 2 am last night. Many hanging at Merengue hoping to be scooped up. The girls don't sit still very long. They have to keep moving around a lot looking to be discovered. They need potential clients to watch them walk from one side of the street to the other in them heels. Them heels definitely does something to make a woman appear sexier. And thats how many of them snag clients. Just from them sashaying around to be seen. However, some just look absolutely awkward trying to walk in them heels/platforms without tripping or slipping.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]To me they were no different than any of the women currently on the strip. It's just that they were done up to look sexier than they really are, with the makeup, high heels, and skimpy outfit or thong bikini.

But I know better. I've stayed at Mary Rose back in May / June and learned rather quickly, that many of these chicas stay at one of those hotels a couple of feet from Mary Rose. You can catch these women going to the local colmado, or just see them out and about. Or find a way to get their numbers or slip them a number, and make arrangements with them off duty. I'm sure many of these girls would love to keep all of the money they earn rather than their place of employment getting a cut.

When they aint working in CMP, you might not even recognize any of these chicas, because they don't look as stunning in normal attire as they do done up at CMP. In fact. Most of these chicas, including the ones freelancing all over Sosua. You take off all of that makeup, hair do, get them off of those 5 inch pedestals they have on theior feet, pull off the padded bras from those thin chicks. And you got a chica that is basically a plain jane girl you might not give a second look to. Thats how I look at many of these chicas. I say to my self. How is she going to look once she does the transformer jedi trick in my spot? After that realization, them types asking $2500 to 4000 pesos for their time becomes a ridiculous proposition and a ripoff.[/QUOTE]This is exactly why it is rarely worth paying a premium for a '10'. The chica who is your dime is probably my '6' and I will offer her 1000 pesos and be prepared to walk and she will probably submit to my will later if not sooner, because I don't care.

Actually this is the case with all women. Sometimes I look at my girl first thing in the morning and think I would like a change of scenery, but then when I look at photos where she is all made up and dressed to kill, she is every bit a dime and she and I together are like beauty and the beast together. So to have this 10 almost 40 years my junior who can't leave my dick alone is nothing to sneeze about.

Also see this:

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It's late 9 ish last night. I'm sitting at Rockys watching chicas go by. One particular chica walks by going towards the supermarket, later she passes right by again this time going towards Rumba. She slows down and smiles. She is cute, nice body. She looks like she could be Haitian (she wasnt) About 5'5" to 5'6". She was wearing flat shoes. She stops and does the typical "Whats your name, where you from?" line. I chuckled when she asked, and told her."you know where I am from".

Mistake number one. She sat down next to me. No real invite from me, but I didn't tell her not to sit either. A few minutes in I offered her a Presidente. Mistake number two. Especially since I know most of these chicas don't appreciate these gestures. And as my story will reveal, these gestures of kindness can be used against you if dealing with the wrong chica. She was one of them.

While sitting there, I asked her how much for her time if I was interested. She typed $2500 for 2 hours and $4000 for TLN. Of course she was thinking I might be a sucker who would pay that. I told her right then, I don't pay those kind of prices. Nor do most men here in Sosua. Now in her mind, she is probably thinking I have already established I might take her with me, we just have to agree on a price. She types. How much am I willing to pay?

I told her I can't tell her that. Once she gave me her price, I don't want to negotiate with her from that. Her price is her price, and thats really what she wants. I was hoping she would take that as a sign that we don't have a meeting of minds, and roll out. But she just sat there trying her best to convince me to give her a price of what I would pay. Once she realized I had my mind made up of not taking her for any price. She decided I needed to pay her some pesos for her time.

I told her I don't owe her for her anything. I did not invite her to sit down. She chose to sit down. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking that buying the cerveza wasnt really a good idea, although it could be perceived as a kind gesture. But I think offering a drink to a chica with her mindset can result in the chica thinking you have taken her off the market at that moment. So I will remember that the next time I get the urge to offer a chica a drink while she is on the prowl for clients.

I decide I had enough of this chica, and now it's beginning to turn ugly. She's getting upset, and I'm telling her she aint going to get no clients acting like that and asking those ridiculous prices. I start to walk towards Terra Linda where my car is parked. I turn my back briefly and the chica picked up the bottle and tossed on me some of what was left in her Presidente bottle. Now my attention towards her is face to face. She makes another attempt, and this splatter misses me. I start to walk towards her and she turns the bottle around as if she might throw it at me or try to club me with it.

I decided it would be best to go back inside the restaurant and just wait her out. There is definitely no money to be made if she continues arguing about getting paid for her time. Now the main reason, I let that beer shower go. Is because I suspect that things could take a drastic turn whereas I would be trying to explain my situation to un sympathetic police. She could lie and say I hit or threatened her and she was defending herself. They might arrest me, and have me now trying to sort out a much bigger problem. At the very least, they would have told me I should pay the chica and allow her to go about her business. I chose the path of least resistance, while thinking of saving my money.

Here's an example of why I chose to be passive on the matter. The dude King Kong, a prominent fixture at Rockys was sitting in Rockys as usual when a chica he knew from passing, came in Rockys and was engaging with him. She may have been talking or touching him in some way. But he got irritated by her and picked up a glass of water and threw some of the water on the chica. That gesture I believe cost him time in the lockup and / or a hefty fine in the thousands of dollar range just for tossing water on a chica.

Now imagine me going after this chica with the Presidente bottle and slapping the shit out of her because she threw some beer on me? She would have got the worst end of OUR exchange on a personal level, but thats not how the police would see it. There were at least a dozen bystanders all just looking but not remotely interested in getting involved. And even if the police were called, there is no telling what the outcome would have been. It's just like when someone has an accident, they call 911 and the police come. Thats when the lying starts. Then the police don't know who to believe. But in the DR, the chica may be favored over a foreigner who has more advantages. Because of King Kong's situation, thats why I didn't retaliate or walk away from the restaurant to allow her to feel she could throw that bottle at me, where I might forget everything and end up in deep trouble.

She eventually left, and I decided it was still kinda early, so I just sat back down and chilled some more. There were a couple of folks in Rockys. I told them jokingly ya'll all can have a cerveza, it's "on me".

Lessons learned (although all chicas arent the same)

Be leery of chicas on the prowl and allowing them to sit with you, or allow them to get in your car or come to your hotel etc.

Buying them shit could lead to problems or their assumption that you put them on the clock.

In conversation never tell them or let them know where you are staying, where you are going, or details that could be used against you.

For instance. If I mentioned anything about my car rental and let her know where it was parked nearby, she could have sought to do damage to it because she didn't get what she thought she deserved.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]heard about CMP. But since he never been inside, I suggested he at least take a look inside of CMP.

What does CMP stand for, please

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1484528]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]heard about CMP. But since he never been inside, I suggested he at least take a look inside of CMP.

What does CMP stand for, please[/QUOTE]Carribean Mens Paradise. Its a brothel in case ya didn't know. For anyone interested I did see they have a 1500 peso massage with a happy ending (hand job ). Perhaps that service is a good way to vet a chica and exchange contact info for off duty services.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484518]A few minutes in I offered her a Presidente. Mistake number two. Especially since I know most of these chicas don't appreciate these gestures. And as my story will reveal, these gestures of kindness can be used against you if dealing with the wrong chica. She was one of them.[/QUOTE]Cultural misread. In countries like the US and UK alcohol is often used as a lubricant for courtship. In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.

My take: If drinking alcohol is part of your normal life, and necessary for you to function and does not impair your judgment, go ahead and drink whatever you want for yourself, but there is absolutely no need to buy drinks for chicas and if you want to negotiate a reasonable price for sex, why on earth would you want to spend money on drinks for her-drinks that may affect her behavior in unpredictable ways.

Reading stuff like this makes me really concerned about Sosua and is a big turn off. Buy the girl a drink in Brazil (excluding Rio and I avoid Rio totally) , or some other Latin countries and they are usually nice and warm towards you, even if it is a place where they do not get a kickback from the drink. This kind of violent behavior is what concerns me about Sosua, that a very large percentage are hardcore! Do most have pimps? Percentage-wise is this libel. A 1 in 4 thing? My first time to DR for vacation is next month and I am quite apprehensive about Sosua. But have already booked 7 nights at Casa Cayena?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484535]Cultural misread. In countries like the US and UK alcohol is often used as a lubricant for courtship. In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.

My take: If drinking alcohol is part of your normal life, and necessary for you to function and does not impair your judgment, go ahead and drink whatever you want for yourself, but there is absolutely no need to buy drinks for chicas and if you want to negotiate a reasonable price for sex, why on earth would you want to spend money on drinks for her-drinks that may affect her behavior in unpredictable ways.[/QUOTE]

That's just bad luck, sorry you had that experience. I get worried the same thing will happen to me, even though it has not yet. Sometimes a chica will come over and start talking and I will let her know I am not interested or I just want to drink by myself. Most of the time they will take the hint and go away. Very rarely do I have to repeat this, but it can happen.

I think the main concern is a chica thinking she is being lead on and then her time is wasted so she gets nothing from it, after all time is money here. But then again, she initiated wasting her time by wasting yours first. And then gets upset / angry about it. Funny / Interesting and sad how that works. I think you handled it properly though. But we definitely need to take these things into account, we are not locals and are always seen as walking ATMs. Everyone should have a great time but be cautious and chicas view you like this and if one is it interested it is best to make that clear from the start and walk away or just not answer them if they are persistent.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484518]It's late 9 ish last night. I'm sitting at Rockys watching chicas go by. One particular chica walks by going towards the supermarket, later she passes right by again this time going towards Rumba. She slows down and smiles. She is cute, nice body. She looks like she could be Haitian (she wasnt) About 5'5" to 5'6". She was wearing flat shoes. She stops and does the typical "Whats your name, where you from?" line. I chuckled when she asked, and told her."you know where I am from".

Mistake number one. She sat down next to me. No real invite from me, but I didn't tell her not to sit either. A few minutes in I offered her a Presidente. Mistake number two. Especially since I know most of these chicas don't appreciate these gestures. And as my story will reveal, these gestures of kindness can be used against you if dealing with the wrong chica. She was one of them.

While sitting there, I asked her how much for her time if I was interested. She typed $2500 for 2 hours and $4000 for TLN. Of course she was thinking I might be a sucker who would pay that. I told her right then, I don't pay those kind of prices. Nor do most men here in Sosua. Now in her mind, she is probably thinking I have already established I might take her with me, we just have to agree on a price. She types. How much am I willing to pay?

I told her I can't tell her that. Once she gave me her price, I don't want to negotiate with her from that. Her price is her price, and thats really what she wants. I was hoping she would take that as a sign that we don't have a meeting of minds, and roll out. But she just sat there trying her best to convince me to give her a price of what I would pay. Once she realized I had my mind made up of not taking her for any price. She decided I needed to pay her some pesos for her time.

I told her I don't owe her for her anything. I did not invite her to sit down. She chose to sit down. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking that buying the cerveza wasnt really a good idea, although it could be perceived as a kind gesture. But I think offering a drink to a chica with her mindset can result in the chica thinking you have taken her off the market at that moment. So I will remember that the next time I get the urge to offer a chica a drink while she is on the prowl for clients..[/QUOTE]

In about 3 trips I've never been to CMP.

I keep hearing mixed reviews but I guess I'll swing by next time just to see it for myself. I definitely prefer "takeout" to in house action so I'll probably just arrange a meet for later.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]When they aint working in CMP, you might not even recognize any of these chicas, because they don't look as stunning in normal attire as they do done up at CMP. In fact. Most of these chicas, including the ones freelancing all over Sosua. You take off all of that makeup, hair do, get them off of those 5 inch pedestals they have on theior feet, pull off the padded bras from those thin chicks. And you got a chica that is basically a plain jane girl you might not give a second look to. Thats how I look at many of these chicas. I say to my self. How is she going to look once she does the transformer jedi trick in my spot? After that realization, them types asking $2500 to 4000 pesos for their time becomes a ridiculous proposition and a ripoff.

I have to say, I kinda felt sorry for some of these girls in CMP. Ready to work but no clients to work on. And then I thought about all of the chicas currently at Rumbas and D'Latins still looking for clients and may not have fucked anybody yet. For many of the chicas thinking of themselves as dimes, they'll stick to their ridiculous p4p prices even if it means not having any clients. And I saw a bunch of those around at 2 am last night. Many hanging at Merengue hoping to be scooped up. The girls don't sit still very long. They have to keep moving around a lot looking to be discovered. They need potential clients to watch them walk from one side of the street to the other in them heels. Them heels definitely does something to make a woman appear sexier. And thats how many of them snag clients. Just from them sashaying around to be seen. However, some just look absolutely awkward trying to walk in them heels / platforms without tripping or slipping.[/QUOTE]Yeah you've got to be good at looking though all the makeup sorcery. Avoid the aggressive, overly made up, cat suit wearing crowd and find winner who's off in a corner on her own.

Question: Is there any place near Mary Rose that you can "chica watch"?

Came back a 3 weeks ago from The Mary Rose. And yes there is.

Just across the road is a small store. And there are normally loads of people. Just sitting around watching the world go by with a beer in hand.

OR

Turn left out or MR and there is a small "restaurant". Local food. Where you can eat, drink and watch the world go by early evening.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484535]Cultural misread. In countries like the US and UK alcohol is often used as a lubricant for courtship. In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.

My take: If drinking alcohol is part of your normal life, and necessary for you to function and does not impair your judgment, go ahead and drink whatever you want for yourself, but there is absolutely no need to buy drinks for chicas and if you want to negotiate a reasonable price for sex, why on earth would you want to spend money on drinks for her-drinks that may affect her behavior in unpredictable ways.[/QUOTE]I can tell you that your analysis although true when it applies accordingly, it is also flawed where it doesn't apply accordingly. Buying chicas drinks does not necessarily mean you want to do business. And it certainly doesn't mean every chica assumes that. It is already understood buying drinks is not necessary. But that is what some guys do. Just like individuals do when they offer to buy other people they are socializing with a drink.

WTH do you think most guys are doing with chicas in all of these trip reports? Holding hands? They are drinking with chicas. They are buying chicas drinks. They are sharing with chicas. They are buying and stocking their fridges with alcohol for themselves and their company. You've never bought chicas anything to eat or drink in all of your years mongering? I wouldn't believe it if you said you didn't. And yes, It aint necessary of course, but it's done. Buying chicas drinks is that mongers thing, thats their business. This is the 1st time I had a chica take that route. My situation is something to take into consideration, but that incident won't stop me from offering or sharing with a chica if I choose to. Have you any input to many of the other posters like TomJackin who shared reports and photos of them buying and drinking with chicas? I don't recall much. But this incident woke you up for some reason?

Here is something to take into consideration. If a chica gets one drink in her and shows her ass before she gets to a mongers spot, Is it better to discover some issues before hand, or after she's in your spot offering her drinks and then she turns into an incubus? Things aint always one way or the other. Judgements can be made according to the situation and be made flexible to fit the circumstances and the people relating. I'm sure some guys here can attest to buying drinks or sharing drinks with chicas and had no issues at all. Which sets the standard to follow? One problem, or 3 dozen incidentless outcomes?

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1484550]That's just bad luck, sorry you had that experience. I get worried the same thing will happen to me, even though it has not yet. Sometimes a chica will come over and start talking and I will let her know I am not interested or I just want to drink by myself. Most of the time they will take the hint and go away. Very rarely do I have to repeat this, but it can happen.

I think the main concern is a chica thinking she is being lead on and then her time is wasted so she gets nothing from it, after all time is money here. But then again, she initiated wasting her time by wasting yours first. And then gets upset / angry about it. Funny / Interesting and sad how that works. I think you handled it properly though. But we definitely need to take these things into account, we are not locals and are always seen as walking ATMs. Everyone should have a great time but be cautious and chicas view you like this and if one is it interested it is best to make that clear from the start and walk away or just not answer them if they are persistent.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I realized buying this particular chica was not helping the situation. But it didn't turn bad until I let her know I wasnt interested in being with her for any price. Moreover I don't know how she would have conducted herself when it came to getting down to business. Her showing out was a good thing. Because I was attracted to her. But her price was a red flag that she was bad news, and how she likely looked at me as a sucker when her brain decided that 2500/4000 was a fair price.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1484558]In about 3 trips I've never been to CMP.

I keep hearing mixed reviews but I guess I'll swing by next time just to see it for myself. I definitely prefer "takeout" to in house action so I'll probably just arrange a meet for later.

Yeah you've got to be good at looking though all the makeup sorcery. Avoid the aggressive, overly made up, cat suit wearing crowd and find winner who's off in a corner on her own.

Question: Is there any place near Mary Rose that you can "chica watch"?[/QUOTE]I can second those words of wisdom from Mind Bender. Staying far away from the girls who are overly aggressive, wear cat suits and have excessive war paint on their faces. I have had far better luck with the demure seemingly shy ones.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484624]I can tell you that your analysis although true when it applies accordingly, it is also flawed where it doesn't apply accordingly. Buying chicas drinks does not necessarily mean you want to do business. And it certainly doesn't mean every chica assumes that. It is already understood buying drinks is not necessary. But that is what some guys do. Just like individuals do when they offer to buy other people they are socializing with a drink.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Wrx, she used the purchase of the drink as an excuse to try to intimidate you into paying her for her time, I have bought hundreds of girls drinks and never once have I had a girl tell me that I owed her money for time spent. Buying a girl a drink is S. O. P. For the commencement of the interview process and is practiced by mongers world wide every day.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484624]It is already understood buying drinks is not necessary. But that is what some guys do. Just like individuals do when they offer to buy other people they are socializing with a drink.[/QUOTE]But that is my whole point-if you come from an alcohol-based society where it is expected that people buy drinks for their friends and company, or stock their fridges with drinks for themselves and their friends, you may feel some social obligation to buy drinks for chicas, and of course that is exactly what the bar owners are counting on and why chica bars are profitable. However it is not at all necessary to buy drinks for chicas if you want to monger-even if many of the chicas are found in bars.

I would think this is an interesting point since people on this board consistently discuss how to reduce expenses on their trips and buying drinks for chicas could be a significant and totally avoidable expense. If people are going to whine about things like taxi fares from the airport and then spend a significant amount of money on alcohol for prostitutes, that is an odd priority.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484624]You've never bought chicas anything to eat or drink in all of your years mongering? I wouldn't believe it if you said you didn't. And yes, It aint necessary of course, but it's done.[/QUOTE]If I am spending the day with someone, then of course I am buying all their food and drink, but I would rarely buy drinks in bars for new acquaintances, because I am not into that, and don't like the smoke in bars anyway. I rarely drink (alcohol) myself, so I certainly don't feel any obligation to buy drinks for others unless, perhaps, I specifically thought a chica would perform better in bed if some alcohol was administered first. Not buying chicas drinks has had no noticeable detrimental effect on my sex life.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1484540]Do most have pimps?[/QUOTE]Very few have pimps in the US sense of the word who drive them out to work and watch them like hawks forcing them to maximise income or control them through a drug habit or violence.

A lot of full-time working girls have husbands or boyfriends who they totally or partially support and most of them do it quite willingly because they are fond of these parasites and have grown up in the Latin culture that this behaviour is normal and expected.

It is very rare for the gringo mongers to knowingly come into contact with these lowlifes. Sometimes they will be the moto drivers with whom the girls arrive and you can spot that by the girls having a conversation with them, exchanging cash or door-keys with them, or giving them a peck on the cheek, but otherwise they won't behave any differently from other motoconchistas.

If you want to almost guarantee avoiding this scum then avoid the hardcore putas and the bars they frequent.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1484540]My first time to DR for vacation is next month and I am quite apprehensive about Sosua. But have already booked 7 nights at Casa Cayena?[/QUOTE]Casa Cayena is an excellent choice and a great base for your trip.

95% of the guys who have problems with chicas, police, bar-owners, etc, are doing something wrong. They have drunk too much (none at all would be best but that is too much to expect from most guys here) , or they attracting attention themselves in one way or another (dress, mouthing off, misplaced attempts at humor, getting into conversations with locals, attracting the attention of hard-core putas, being too generous (such as buying rounds for strangers) , being too tight (such as quibbling over 20 pesos change when you should just walk away and don't go back to that bar) , going back with girls to their place (potentially very dangerous) , etc.

From your posts you seem a cautious, even timid, person but also an experienced and sensible one. I don't think you will feel the necessity to do any of the above things to have a great time. Hang with some decent ex-pats or veteran visitors on your first two days until you know your way around. No need to stay with them after if they have outlived their usefulness and you want to go it alone.

You will have a great time in Sosua, but if you are really into dancing you may have a better one in Puerto Plata. (I mean Latin dancing, of course, bachata, merengue and salsa).

But if you drink too much, or (like me) act stupid after very little alcohol, then all bets are off.

You can shade the odds in your favor by going with haitianas, but if you are not attracted to black girls that advice won't help much.

The reason haitianas tend to be less trouble is they are mostly illegal immigrants and don't want to attract attention to themselves. Dominican police and other Dominicans will usually support their own countrymen / women right or wrong, but they won't favor haitianas over gringos.

Another reason some of us favor haitianas is that they are more intelligent on average. Most dominican putas are on the game because they are too stupid to get a decent job, but such is the disastrous economic situation in Haiti that quite intelligent and educated girls have no other choice.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484657]But that is my whole point-if you come from an alcohol-based society where it is expected that people buy drinks for their friends and company, or stock their fridges with drinks for themselves and their friends, you may feel some social obligation to buy drinks for chicas, and of course that is exactly what the bar owners are counting on and why chica bars are profitable. However it is not at all necessary to buy drinks for chicas if you want to monger-even if many of the chicas are found in bars.

I would think this is an interesting point since people on this board consistently discuss how to reduce expenses on their trips and buying drinks for chicas could be a significant and totally avoidable expense. If people are going to whine about things like taxi fares from the airport and then spend a significant amount of money on alcohol for prostitutes, that is an odd priority.

If I am spending the day with someone, then of course I am buying all their food and drink, but I would rarely buy drinks in bars for new acquaintances, because I am not into that, and don't like the smoke in bars anyway. I rarely drink (alcohol) myself, so I certainly don't feel any obligation to buy drinks for others unless, perhaps, I specifically thought a chica would perform better in bed if some alcohol was administered first. Not buying chicas drinks has had no noticeable detrimental effect on my sex life.[/QUOTE]Your point is moot because you are basing it on ifs and mights which don't exist in my example. One, I never felt or said anything about being obligated to buy a chica a drink. Two, the chica didn't ask for a drink. I offered it. And I didn't do it because I was hoping it would lead to anything. And as I said before its already understood by most I'm certain, that buying a chica a drink is not necessary. Giving a chica a 200 peso propina with the idea it will lead to a good performance next encounter, that isn't necessary either but mongers do it. Am I right? So lets not come off self righteous here.

And third! There was no issue made over the expense over a small presidente. So All of these what if issues you are bringing up, have nothing to with what I was focused on. Also, lets not ignore the fact that your statement is not an absolute, that buying a chica a drink in Sosua means one is saying they want to do business. That simply is not true in all cases. You want something to stick because you said it. But I'm sorry it just doesn't hold true for every situation, nor is that statement consistent in practice.

Now as far as you are concerned, what you do with your time and money is your business. Nobody really cares one way the other. And IMO, I think that would be a better approach than simply assigning variables to people that may not even apply. I'm sure I asked this before of you. Why not ask for feedback on how someone thinks or feels instead of suggesting things that may not apply?

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler; 1484460]Dominican Republic is no secret anymore, even the TSA Agents at the airport be laughing and telling me "your going to the Dominican republic be careful I heard there is a lot of prostitutes so strap up.

Also a lot of brothers do not know how to keep there mouth closed when they come back, they feel they have to tell everybody and that is there own demise.[/QUOTE]I have gone to Haiti, but avoided DR and Brazil for obvious reasons. Now that my divorce is almost final, I already have a 10 year visa to hit Brazil and the DR is on my places to visit next year!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484672]Why not ask for feedback on how someone thinks or feels instead of suggesting things that may not apply?[/QUOTE]Because you wrote for public consumption a little story about something that went wrong when you bought a chica a drink as an intended friendly gesture and ended up getting beer thrown on you.

This is a public forum and I am perfectly entitled to pick up something you mentioned and expand on it. It doesn't have to be all about you, because anything I write is addressed to a general readership including a large number of people who lurk but never post and who are perhaps weighing the pros and cons of a visit to the DR.

Point remains that one might think it is just good manners to offer a woman an alcoholic drink, but in the DR you really don't have to. I am not really concerned about the specifics of your situation, because you have been to Sosua enough that you should know how to handle situations that get difficult, and indeed you did handle this situation sensibly once it ran out of control. Maybe she was just a psycho anyway, or desperate for money, who knows, but I still think it is better policy to offer a soft drink or juice if you want to give a girl something to suck on.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1484460]Dominican Republic is no secret anymore, even the TSA Agents at the airport be laughing and telling me "your going to the Dominican republic be careful I heard there is a lot of prostitutes so strap up.[/QUOTE]I would report them to a supervisor. It is completely out of order for federal employees to speak to passengers in this manner.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1484664]Very few have pimps in the US sense of the word who drive them out to work and watch them like hawks forcing them to maximise income or control them through a drug habit or violence.

A lot of full-time working girls have husbands or boyfriends who they totally or partially support and most of them do it quite willingly because they are fond of these parasites and have grown up in the Latin culture that this behaviour is normal and expected.

It is very rare for the gringo mongers to knowingly come into contact with these lowlifes. Sometimes they will be the moto drivers with whom the girls arrive and you can spot that by the girls having a conversation with them, exchanging cash or door-keys with them, or giving them a peck on the cheek, but otherwise they won't behave any differently from other motoconchistas.

If you want to almost guarantee avoiding this scum then avoid the hardcore putas and the bars they frequent.

Casa Cayena is an excellent choice and a great base for your trip.

95% of the guys who have problems with chicas, police, bar-owners, etc, are doing something wrong. They have drunk too much (none at all would be best but that is too much to expect from most guys here) , or they attracting attention themselves in one way or another (dress, mouthing off, misplaced attempts at humor, getting into conversations with locals, attracting the attention of hard-core putas, being too generous (such as buying rounds for strangers) , being too tight (such as quibbling over 20 pesos change when you should just walk away and don't go back to that bar) , going back with girls to their place (potentially very dangerous) , etc.

From your posts you seem a cautious, even timid, person but also an experienced and sensible one. I don't think you will feel the necessity to do any of the above things to have a great time. Hang with some decent ex-pats or veteran visitors on your first two days until you know your way around. No need to stay with them after if they have outlived their usefulness and you want to go it alone.

You will have a great time in Sosua, but if you are really into dancing you may have a better one in Puerto Plata. (I mean Latin dancing, of course, bachata, merengue and salsa).

But if you drink too much, or (like me) act stupid after very little alcohol, then all bets are off.

You can shade the odds in your favor by going with haitianas, but if you are not attracted to black girls that advice won't help much.

The reason haitianas tend to be less trouble is they are mostly illegal immigrants and don't want to attract attention to themselves. Dominican police and other Dominicans will usually support their own countrymen / women right or wrong, but they won't favor haitianas over gringos.

Another reason some of us favor haitianas is that they are more intelligent on average. Most dominican putas are on the game because they are too stupid to get a decent job, but such is the disastrous economic situation in Haiti that quite intelligent and educated girls have no other choice.[/QUOTE]This is a five-star post and should be memorized by all newbies.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1484535]In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.[/QUOTE]Aww gee whiz Mr. Rogers, come on and buy a chica a cheap ass beer.:)

Hell, I'll even give you some pesos when I get out there next month.

[QUOTE=Jiggydus;1484691]I have gone to Haiti, but avoided DR and Brazil for obvious reasons. Now that my divorce is almost final, I already have a 10 year visa to hit Brazil and the DR is on my places to visit next year![/QUOTE]I assume the "obvious reasons" are that Brazil and DR are notorious for prostitution? I would be interested in the reasons you gave for going to Haiti. Charity work?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484692]Because you wrote for public consumption a little story about something that went wrong when you bought a chica a drink as an intended friendly gesture and ended up getting beer thrown on you.

This is a public forum and I am perfectly entitled to pick up something you mentioned and expand on it. It doesn't have to be all about you, because anything I write is addressed to a general readership including a large number of people who lurk but never post and who are perhaps weighing the pros and cons of a visit to the DR.

Point remains that one might think it is just good manners to offer a woman an alcoholic drink, but in the DR you really don't have to. I am not really concerned about the specifics of your situation, because you have been to Sosua enough that you should know how to handle situations that get difficult, and indeed you did handle this situation sensibly once it ran out of control. Maybe she was just a psycho anyway, or desperate for money, who knows, but I still think it is better policy to offer a soft drink or juice if you want to give a girl something to suck on.[/QUOTE]You could have easily made your point without quoting me. Apparently you don't know or see the significance of how you come off in the manner you responded to a portion of my post? Apparently I won't get through to you. You are focused on your rights. But my question to you is, you didn't think the message you were trying to get across could stand on its own merits unless you quoted a portion of my post? Even if your comments are for others in this forum, it still can come off as being condescending and self righteous. Especially if those ifs you brought up still doesn't apply to that individual.

You are well within your rights to post as you please. Just as I am in expanding on the flaws in your POV. Like your generalized conclusion that buying a chica a drink in Sosua means someone wants to do business. I know you enjoy expanding on others comments, but when you make those types of statements my challenge to your POV is not all about you.

Likewise much of what I respond to is for a general readership including a large number of people who lurk but never post and who are perhaps weighing the pros and cons of certain debateable statements made by certain individuals.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1484293]Apparently they've greased all the right palms because Peter's spot got shut the fuck down, and CMP is still open!

We need Alex and Shamster to come and explain this one to us because we were told that Sosua was in full cleanup mode to prepare for the cruise ships (LOL).[/QUOTE]You take things so black and white. Always maintained part of the issue was Peter's gringo arrogance of flaunting wealth in a poor country.

Fellow posters are posting articles showing the number of brothel shutdowns and strategic tourist government mission. No matter what garbage you spout out, the plan is moving forward. Yes of course some establishments will remain due to political connections which is normal.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1484127]Thanks for posting. We get plenty bragging about their successes but not many have the balls to post about their mistakes. But we actually learn more from the latter.

Not that I personally learned anything. I live here and all the ex-pats already know what scammers CMP are because we hear so many stories like yours.[/QUOTE]Yea, too many legends in their own mind with exaggerated conquests.

Thanks again, Charles. You are a big help, and I appreciate your suggestions / advice a lot.

A couple of questions, please:

1. What are some of ways to spot a Haitian without talking to them (I. E. To just tell them apart, besides skin color, although I guess not 100% are distinctly different from the Dominicans. Of course, they speak Haitian / French version)

2. How much is a Taxista (the publically licensed ones, as opposed to the private driver) from say Playa Dorada to Sosua vs. Cabarete (I like Tex Mex)

3. How much is a Taxista from Cabarete to Sosua?

FYI, I rarely get drunk, and try to stay low key and observe carefully.

Also, FYI, my guess is that if you saw me, you may think I could be Southern Italian, maybe Brazilian, maybe Colombian etc. Meaning I am not white. But little mixed. Was married for over 20 years to a Texan! Most Latinos cannot believe that I don't speak Spanish. FWIW, One AA flight told me, in front of a large group of people on board (going to Brazil) , that she could not believe that I did not speak Spanish or Portuguese, and that she was sure I did, and that I was probably ashamed to admit it!

I consider myself an internationalist and genuinely in the core of my heart, love peoples of different cultures, love to observe and study them. Lived out of a suitcase, traveling the globe for work for 20 plus years, more 50% of business days, each of those years! But I am NOT very experienced like many of you on these boards in the chica area. And, because of my looks, if I don't open my mouth, I would blend right in, visually speaking! Both a plus and a minus!

Thanks

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1484664]Very few have pimps in the US sense of the word who drive them out to work and watch them like hawks forcing them to maximise income or control them through a drug habit or violence.

A lot of full-time working girls have husbands or boyfriends who they totally or partially support and most of them do it quite willingly because they are fond of these parasites and have grown up in the Latin culture that this behaviour is normal and expected.

It is very rare for the gringo mongers to knowingly come into contact with these lowlifes. Sometimes they will be the moto drivers with whom the girls arrive and you can spot that by the girls having a conversation with them, exchanging cash or door-keys with them, or giving them a peck on the cheek, but otherwise they won't behave any differently from other motoconchistas.

If you want to almost guarantee avoiding this scum then avoid the hardcore putas and the bars they frequent.

Casa Cayena is an excellent choice and a great base for your trip.

95% of the guys who have problems with chicas, police, bar-owners, etc, are doing something wrong. They have drunk too much (none at all would be best but that is too much to expect from most guys here) , or they attracting attention themselves in one way or another (dress, mouthing off, misplaced attempts at humor, getting into conversations with locals, attracting the attention of hard-core putas, being too generous (such as buying rounds for strangers) , being too tight (such as quibbling over 20 pesos change when you should just walk away and don't go back to that bar) , going back with girls to their place (potentially very dangerous) , etc.

From your posts you seem a cautious, even timid, person but also an experienced and sensible one. I don't think you will feel the necessity to do any of the above things to have a great time. Hang with some decent ex-pats or veteran visitors on your first two days until you know your way around. No need to stay with them after if they have outlived their usefulness and you want to go it alone...[/QUOTE]

Last trip to Sosua, on my return (after a broken string of 6 or so trips to the Philippines) the Immigration Officer said to me "what's the matter (my name) are you getting tired of the Philippines?" I laughed and said NEVER. Like MacArthur I will return but the DR is good for a quick trip. He laughed, winked his eye, stamped my Passport and said welcome back. No harm no foul. I guess you have to read the person to see if there is malicious intent. This guy wished he was me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1484695]I would report them to a supervisor. It is completely out of order for federal employees to speak to passengers in this manner.[/QUOTE]

Its morning, Oct 16. Get up and went to the office (Rockys ). Shared my experience with a couple of buddies during breakfast. Found out I wasnt the only one that had an interesting night. 2 dudes staying at Sosua Suites. The 1st one is 30 ish. He was out on the prowl around 3 ish in the morning. Meets a chica, takes her back to his spot. Sometime during or after they were finished he discovers some blood on his condom. He talks to her about it, and she claims that she is pregnant, but she needs the money. I'm fuzzy on exact time frame details but I believe he told me later she said she was experiencing some sort of pain while in his company / hotel.

At some point he paid her what they agreed, and even gave her a few pesos more. She left. Again fuzzy on time details, but she comes back, and this time with another chica for backup. She starts complaining to him that she is experiencing some severe pain and / or discomfort, and now she wants him to give her more money so she can go to the hospital or somewhere to take care of it.

Oh and FYI, he said if she was pregnant, she wasnt showing in the least. My guess was, she was on her period, or coming on or going off, and she just used that to claim she was pregnant to draw more sympathy and pesos. The end result? He called her bluff and gave her no money. But he didn't blast her, he just did the no tengo routine until they both felt they werent going to get anything out of him. Of course after that experience, you know homey wasnt sure if she was done. After all, she was bold enough to come back to extort pesos from him, she's may be bold enough to come at him another way.

So I guess he wasnt sure she was really done, or coming back later with other resources, like law enforcement. Fortunately nothing else happened that night / morning.

The 2nd dudes situation is with a late 40 ish dude with only 2 trips under his belt. His situation is comprised of a series of missteps or ill-advised moves concerning a certain chica he made plans to hook up with. It started off with her being 3 hours late for their hookup, but he says it wasnt a major issue because he was pre-occupied while he was waiting.

IMO a chica 3 hours late and no valid excuse is not something to overlook. IMO, its a red flag indicating a lack of respect for someone elses time. If not checked, it could lead to more of the same, or other disrespectful behavior. He may very well not intend to repeat with a particular chica, but if a dude is consistently allowing their time to be devalued by these chicas, they may very well be sending the wrong message, and giving chicas more incentive to see what else they can get away with. Especially when they encounter one of those nice , caring type of guys. Which he is.

Anyway, they get to his spot around 3 in the afternoon. According to him, she's not saying much and seems bored or disinterested in being there. At some point he allows her to get on his Ipad, and that keeps her amused and entertained for a while. And yes he offered her food and beverages while together.

Nightfall comes, and he still hasnt fucked this chick. Fuzzy on time frames, but he said at some point he wanted to discuss what she expected for her time. She told him then, she doesn't like to talk about that or negotiate. She aint like those other women in the street, blah blah blah. That causes him to back off I suppose until he brings it up again. I guess it's getting kinda late, and he is ready to get busy.

He finally convinces her to give him a figure. She says 3000 pesos. She meant short time, like 2 hours, not all night. The problem though, she has already been with him since at least 3 in the afternoon, and now it's evening. She has already been with this cat for several hours. He countered her price. Not sure, but I think they agreed on another price? Or he paid her the 3000 since she was with him half the day???

He starts off giving her oral, and she comes. He lays back on the bed hoping his turn is next. Chick lays back on the bed too. He's thinking, and finally got around to asking."Well arent you going to return the favor and suck my dick?" She said, I don't do that. Now it's really starting to sink in that he made a huge mistake with this individual. Starting with tolerating her being late. Okay so eventually they get to having sex. But by then he's so disgusted with how this whole charade played out, he couldn't even enjoy the sex. I think he said he didn't bust. So me and a couple of other cats went over his scenario to discuss the many red flags waving in his face and the missteps he took dealing with that chica, and some perspective for future reference.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1484878]Last trip to Sosua, on my return (after a broken string of 6 or so trips to the Philippines) the Immigration Officer said to me "what's the matter (my name) are you getting tired of the Philippines?" I laughed and said NEVER. Like MacArthur I will return but the DR is good for a quick trip. He laughed, winked his eye, stamped my Passport and said welcome back. No harm no foul. I guess you have to read the person to see if there is malicious intent. This guy wished he was me. LOL.[/QUOTE]So immigration now has you flagged as a sex tourist. Great, but immigration officers and TSA employees are two completely different things, and he didn't say anything about prostitutes or condoms.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484893]Anyway, they get to his spot around 3 in the afternoon. According to him, she's not saying much and seems bored or disinterested in being there. At some point he allows her to get on his Ipad, and that keeps her amused and entertained for a while. And yes he offered her food and beverages while together.

Nightfall comes, and he still hasn't fucked this chick. Fuzzy on time frames, but he said at some point he wanted to discuss what she expected for her time. She told him then, she doesn't like to talk about that or negotiate.[/QUOTE]Shows the error of trying to treat these girls like girlfriends on first acquaintance, when very likely the guy does not have enough Spanish to be able to really read her character. He probably thought that if he didn't treat her like a hooker then she would respect him for that.

My experience is that you have to treat them like dogs. I love dogs to death, but you must establish complete dominance before you give them any liberties, always give clear and unambiguous signals, and make sure that they are 100% loyal to you before you give them any liberties, otherwise they will try to take the lead, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the furniture, etc. You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1484899]You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.[/QUOTE]Are you talking to me? You know nothing about dogs we use Facebook or text messaging but never Skype that is not the way we roll. LOL.

B D

Became aquainted with Milagros on the beach last week. She is one of the many massage ladies walking up and down the beach in Sosua looking for clients. I had one massage from Milagros. Got her to come to my hotel. Got a decent half hour massage. Cost a grip. 800 pesos. And yes, an hour would have been 1600 pesos. I don't know if those were really her regular prices or her trying to get over?

During our appointment were getting to know each other. And every time I am on the beach she would stop to socialize. I learned a few things about her over the course of coming to beach. At some point she mentioned inviting me to her house for dinner. Of course I was buying the groceries. Well that day came, it was yesterday. She was finished at 3 pm on the playa, and we met up at Playero to get the groceries. One of her sons works at the little bakery in the front corner of the store. Met him, and then we went shopping.

Bought fish, fries, stuff for a salad, juice and miscellaneous stuff. Headed toward Cabarete. About a mile and a haalf short of the main drag in Cabarete, she directs me to turn right. I head down a paved street for a minute, turned down another paved street, and then was directed to turn down a street that had my suv rocking like an amusement park ride. There is only enough room for my vehicle to pass and a person walking along side, not enough room for 2 cars. I'm passing shack after shack, taking more turns. At some point we interrupted group of people sitting at a table. In order for us to get by they had to move their chairs so I could pass.

This is not an area where vehicles pass. This area is more for pedestrian or motorcycles. Now here I am squeezing around corners with this SUV, and Milagros constantly reassuring me that it's okay. In fact, that is a phrase she repeats alot."okayyyyy" She is very funny. Her house consists of two 8 by 10 rooms. They are side by side, and you have to enter each by going outside to that door. One room is her bedroom, and the other room is her kitchen. Only enough room for the basics.

There is trash and debri all over the place in the neighborhood, rocks, gravel, shacks to the left, shacks to the right. People all over the place walking about. Dozens and dozens of children nearby playing, enjoying themselves. Every one basically appearing content. I sat in the kitchen while she cooked. Her fridge was nearly empty, and it wasnt chilled, nor was the icebox frozen. She had electricity, but maybe it must have recently came back on? They can't keep food, so they barely stock their fridges with anything.

She cooked a nice fish meal with fries and salad. Even gave me some food to take back with me. The lady lives a very poor lifestyle, but to see her on the beach, you wouldn't know it. She is always well groomed and clean when you see her on the beach. Always pleasant and personable. Of all the times she stopped to chat on the beach, she never accepted an offer to eat. She only accepted a beverage. And for certain individuals, neither of us assumed that me buying her a drink or her accepting a drink meant I wanted sexual business with her.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484899]Shows the error of trying to treat these girls like girlfriends on first acquaintance, when very likely the guy does not have enough Spanish to be able to really read her character. He probably thought that if he didn't treat her like a hooker then she would respect him for that.

My experience is that you have to treat them like dogs. I love dogs to death, but you must establish complete dominance before you give them any liberties, always give clear and unambiguous signals, and make sure that they are 100% loyal to you before you give them any liberties, otherwise they will try to take the lead, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the furniture, etc. You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.[/QUOTE]Once again I think your analysis is somewhat flawed. When did you start thinking in this guys example, that he was treating the woman like a girlfriend? Offering food and drink to her? Letting her use his Ipad? Having her around for a few hours? Are those the examples indicating he was treating her like a girlfriend? How about he was simply treating her like another human being?

What you are right about, he does not know enough spanish. He didn't know how to read her character. He didn't know the many ways a chica can get over on him through his ignorance. He may have thought like you said, that if he didn't treat her like a hooker, she would respect him for that. But that isn't a bad thing. Many mongers report feeling they had a better experience with a chica when they simply treated them with respect. Now what is treating a woman like a hooker mean to you? Basically if you pay a woman for sex, you are treating her like a hooker. So there is no getting around that.

The point is. Treating a woman with respect, or interacting with them as with any other regular woman does not mean someone is treating someone like a girlfriend. And if you do things above and beyond p4p, as long as you paid the girl for sex, you just treated her like a hooker. Get it? It just so happened that he treated this woman in a way she didn't deserve to be treated. And thats where I agree with you. You don't necessarily have to be too accommodating to a hooker, especially when there are so many other red flags indicating she is unworthy and unappreciative. And especially since nothing he did lead to a better performance. And I do agree strongly that it is best to establish dominance with many of these women or else they will take acts of kindness for weakness. But again I think that can be gauged on a case by case, woman by woman basis. Some require more or less of whatever is necessary.

Mind you some men report when they did interact with chicas, treated them like an individual, the sex and experience was well worth the effort. Thats why they call it GFE. Girlfriend experience. It's just an experience, not a reality. My buddy just bestowed his efforts with the wrong individual, and she exploited it or responded accordingly, but unfavorably. However that doesn't mean all chicas should be treated the same. Thats what makes this hobby interesting, all chicas don't have to be treated the same. My buddy just needs more time in the game. Learn more spanish. Experience the good, bad and ugly, and learn some things from others.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484917]Once again I think your analysis is somewhat flawed. When did you start thinking in this guys example, that he was treating the woman like a girlfriend? Offering food and drink to her? Letting her use his Ipad? Having her around for a few hours? Are those the examples indicating he was treating her like a girlfriend? How about he was simply treating her like another human being?[/QUOTE]Well it depends on what he wanted. If he wanted her to hang around for hours and not have sex, then he got exactly what he wanted. I am all for treating them nicely if I enjoy their company, but I would probably want the sex first and enjoy their company afterwards.

Read between the lines a little. Why is it so cheap here?

Unless you have a little hardcore in you or enjoy this type of challenge just for sex then this is not the place for you.

Unless you're like Frannie who (for some reason) has consigned himself to life in a place where he has to 'treat them like dogs' or Pooter who appears to have the time and patience to time the waves so as not to get knocked down or WRX who lets it all roll off like water off a duck then you're going to find yourself working very, very hard for a little tail because you have to have to be 'on it' 24/7 here and that's not a vacation by most standards.

And remember, these guys live here and they're telling you its not easy! You don't even know what you don't know.

Better, even if you don't have much money, to save up and hit Aruba or even better Curacao. No crime, no drama. Just umbrella drinks on a white sandy beach and all the tail you need. Real police on duty, no scams and only minor language issues.

Just not for pennies like the DR.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1484540]Reading stuff like this makes me really concerned about Sosua and is a big turn off. Buy the girl a drink in Brazil (excluding Rio and I avoid Rio totally) , or some other Latin countries and they are usually nice and warm towards you, even if it is a place where they do not get a kickback from the drink. This kind of violent behavior is what concerns me about Sosua, that a very large percentage are hardcore! Do most have pimps? Percentage-wise is this libel. A 1 in 4 thing? My first time to DR for vacation is next month and I am quite apprehensive about Sosua. But have already booked 7 nights at Casa Cayena?[/QUOTE]

I agree with Frannie.

While the term "treat them like dogs" comes off overly harsh, it's important to understand that you're in a 3rd world country and these women are searching for any weakness to exploit. You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties. (like not giving you oral) and you could end up being scammed or in jail. Women will prey on your good naturedness if you don't set your boundaries early. I'll happily offer my lady a drink, a snack or a quick game of fruit ninja AFTER she's taken care of my needs, never before. I don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from the women I deal with.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1484944]I agree with Frannie.

While the term "treat them like dogs" comes off overly harsh, it's important to understand that you're in a 3rd world country and these women are searching for any weakness to exploit. You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties. (like not giving you oral) and you could end up being scammed or in jail. Women will prey on your good naturedness if you don't set your boundaries early. I'll happily offer my lady a drink, a snack or a quick game of fruit ninja AFTER she's taken care of my needs, never before. I don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from the women I deal with.[/QUOTE]"You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties." I agree, but I wouldn't generalize all women (They'll begin to take liberties ). I attribute that behavior mainly to whom it applies to. Thats why I think men need to be a better judge of character, and more importantly, honest with themselves in terms of what is motivating them, and the impact or result of ones actions with that particular individual. In other words, caution is always a good idea. It's just that a one size fits all response is not necessary or warranted. (thats not saying you or Frannie are advocating that, I'm just including that perspective ).

Got a question. You mentioned you don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from women. So when a woman is lets say tardy, is she done for good, or getting another chance? Most of these chicas are always late, even after you confront them. So it would seem to me, the only recourse if one doesn't accept tardiness is to dismiss that chica and get another one, and have to do the same with her, dismiss her too.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1484944]I agree with Frannie.

While the term "treat them like dogs" comes off overly harsh, it's important to understand that you're in a 3rd world country and these women are searching for any weakness to exploit. You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties. (like not giving you oral) and you could end up being scammed or in jail. Women will prey on your good naturedness if you don't set your boundaries early. I'll happily offer my lady a drink, a snack or a quick game of fruit ninja AFTER she's taken care of my needs, never before. I don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from the women I deal with.[/QUOTE]I have never treated anyone like a dog in my life and I don't intend to begin. There are predators of every stripe everywhere in the world, not just in the 3rd world. We in the developed world pretend to be polite, but that is only because we are so comfortable in our wealth.

I have been robbed by professional women, but I have also been loved by professional women. I'm a nice guy but if you push me in the corner you better be ready to deal with maximum consequences because I won't hesitate to do what I think is necessary to protect myself. If that means permanent damage to the aggressor, too bad.

Sure these people, men and women, are often desperate. Hello! Do you think many of these women enjoy their situation? Dream on or continue fooling yourself. So yes, you need to be on your double guard.

But if you choose to go over to the other side of the balance and become an oppressor, that is a choice you are making. Pay attention to local norms, try to understand where the local perspective is grounded, and you will eliminate a lot of potential problems before they start.

But if you secretly enjoy being a slave master, hey, don't blame the slave for trying to get back some of his / her own.

And to make it doubly clear, I am making general comments here, based on the ongoing conversation. My comments are not directed to any of the current speakers. They are directed to all of the readers.

BTW, I initially took Frannies' comment about treating them like dogs to be an analogy towards training dogs, not that he actually thinks of them like lower animals. But he doesn't need my interpretation of his remarks.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1484924]Well it depends on what he wanted. If he wanted her to hang around for hours and not have sex, then he got exactly what he wanted. I am all for treating them nicely if I enjoy their company, but I would probably want the sex first and enjoy their company afterwards.[/QUOTE]That response didn't answer my questions, but I guess I should have expected that.

[quote=wrx2005; 1484952]"you can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties." i agree, but i wouldn't generalize all women (they'll begin to take liberties ). i attribute that behavior mainly to whom it applies to. thats why i think men need to be a better judge of character, and more importantly, honest with themselves in terms of what is motivating them, and the impact or result of ones actions with that particular individual. in other words, caution is always a good idea. it's just that a one size fits all response is not necessary or warranted. (thats not saying you or frannie are advocating that, i'm just including that perspective ).

got a question. you mentioned you don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from women. so when a woman is lets say tardy, is she done for good, or getting another chance? most of these chicas are always late, even after you confront them. so it would seem to me, the only recourse if one doesn't accept tardiness is to dismiss that chica and get another one, and have to do the same with her, dismiss her too.[/quote]well i would generalize all women and people for that matter. it's human nature to take advantage of perceived weakness, now the speed and extent of which would depend on the individual's personality but ultimately she will try to get over on you if you're too "soft" too soon.

answer: she may get another chance (depends on how good the sex / gfe is) but i'll give chicas at most a 20 minute grace period (without a phone call) until i start looking for someone else to occupy my time. it's sosua and there's too many females parading around for me to be sitting on my hands waiting.

A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck!

[quote=the mind bender; 1484979]well i would generalize all women and people for that matter. it's human nature to take advantage of perceived weakness, now the speed and extent of which would depend on the individual's personality but ultimately she will try to get over on you if you're too "soft" too soon.

answer: she may get another chance (depends on how good the sex / gfe is) but i'll give chicas at most a 20 minute grace period (without a phone call) until i start looking for someone else to occupy my time. it's sosua and there's too many females parading around for me to be sitting on my hands waiting.[/quote]my novia was late for the first meeting, about an hour. i was at my hotel ready to leave for dinner with friends, i left an envelope with cab fare and instructions with the front desk, when i realized she was actually right behind me (she was all dolled up, worth the wait). she saw how upset i was and the next time she was about 1/2 hour early.

we've been together for about 5 years now and she realizes my point of view and is no longer on "dominican" time when it comes to me. she tells people i am "demasiado puntual". i value my time and in turn, other people's time.

3 hours is ridiculous, i would have left her cab fare and sent her home. don't set a precedent, don't put up with the "dominican" mentality.

[QUOTE=Brother P;1484994]A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck![/QUOTE]Does her name begin with an "S" by chance?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1484930]Unless you're like Frannie who (for some reason) has consigned himself to life in a place where he has to 'treat them like dogs' or Pooter who appears to have the time and patience to time the waves so as not to get knocked down or WRX who lets it all roll off like water off a duck then you're going to find yourself working very, very hard for a little tail because you have to have to be 'on it' 24/7 here and that's not a vacation by most standards.[/QUOTE]People fall into two classes, those who love dogs and those who don't. I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.

It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean.

Lateness is a good example. If you hang around for hours waiting for them if they are late, then they will do it every time. No, give them sufficient time to allow for contingencies, then make other plans.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1485019]People fall into two classes, those who love dogs and those who don't. I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.

It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean.[/QUOTE]I don't like dogs, but I have no problem showing them who the fucking boss is. I don't argue and I don't fight. I'm like the dog whisperer. Just relax and let them run around and tire themselves out; then I tell them how it is going to be. A long time ago my cousin told me that you don't know if a woman really loves you until you have made her cry. Now it seems like every week some woman is telling me I made them cry and sending a picture to prove it. Funny thing is that I never do anything. I just stay busy so to them it is like I am ignoring them. So I guess they are training their damn selves. From this cop in Brazil:

Bom vou deixar bem claro as coisas:

1- Adorei conhecer vc;

2- Me arrependi de não *** conhecido vc antes;

3- Vc foi Lindo trazendo champanhe e morangos; (eu andão esperava)

4- Adorei os presentes q me deu;

5- Adorei cada minuto com vc e realmente queria repetir tudo novamente;

6- Estava planejando passar o Natal com vc em Atlanta e cheguei a comentar com vc sobre as passagens;

7- Vc se tornou mas especial ainda do que ja era, em minha vida;

So estou esclarecendo as coisas pelo ocorrido de manha, ja pedi desculpas mas. Ok. Adorei cada pedacinho de seu corpo mas vou deixar vc livre, de *** q sair do MSN ou Skype qdo eu entrar ok. Entrarei sim mas Nao mas para falar com vc. So lembre de uma unica coisa VOCÊ ME SURPREENDEU them TUDO. Foi bom *** vc, felicidades.

...and 8 hours later before I have had a chance to say shit it's "my sister told me you were not shit like all other men. I should have listened, bla, bla bla..."

Bom dia esqueci de falar que MINHA IRMA tinha me avisado que vc faria isso. Ja que veio iria pisar em mim isso e normal em HOMEN como vc do mundo. Eu realmente pensei q vc seria diferente em tudo. Sei que vou sentir falta suas como ja estou sentindo mas.

...then 4 hours after that, before I still have not said one word yet it's...

Vc me desculpou. Somos bons amigos andé. Detesto discutir com vc. Coloquei uma foto sua como protetor de tela no meu computador.

[quote=the mind bender; 1484979]well i would generalize all women and people for that matter. it's human nature to take advantage of perceived weakness, now the speed and extent of which would depend on the individual's personality but ultimately she will try to get over on you if you're too "soft" too soon.

answer: she may get another chance (depends on how good the sex / gfe is) but i'll give chicas at most a 20 minute grace period (without a phone call) until i start looking for someone else to occupy my time. it's sosua and there's too many females parading around for me to be sitting on my hands waiting.[/quote]i was having this discussion with some amigos. my take or solution was to give the chica a time frame window. it could be 15 or 30 min. i will let them know that if i do not hear from them, then they don't need to come. in some cases, i won't give them any warning, just leave to do plan b. if i have a chica who is wise and considerate to call to keep me informed of her progress in transit, i may cut her some slack.

[QUOTE=El Lobo Solo;1484963]BTW, I initially took Frannies' comment about treating them like dogs to be an analogy towards training dogs, not that he actually thinks of them like lower animals. But he doesn't need my interpretation of his remarks.[/QUOTE]I guess you know Frannie (perhaps even personally) because of which you commented as above. Indeed, his analogy to dogs was entirely figurative. What prompted me to comment on yours is that it came from a "Lobo". Who by definition knows all about hierarchy. LOL.

Indeed we all agree, tardiness is a general problem in the DR as it is a cultural norm. We who are used to seeing it as synonymous to respecting others, take it harder, when we visit third world countries. This last trip in September, I had a situation when the girl was over 30 minutes late, in a taxi to be paid for by me, apparently because of a thundershower in her neck of the woods. After waiting for some time, I texted her back saying I was canceling the appointment. Well, it was her who had more to lose so the usual wrangling of "please, will not happen again" began. Indeed, it was better next time. But, other than this thing of late show up which I must admit still gets my goat, despite all the yoga, I have had no other issues of people treating me shabbily (barring of course sometime developing cold feet). These are women (and of course not being a pro helps) who treated with kindness, tend to reciprocate like all other human beings.

[QUOTE=Cagep1967; 1485007]My novia was late for the first meeting, about an hour. I was at my hotel ready to leave for dinner with friends, I left an envelope with cab fare and instructions with the front desk, when I realized she was actually right behind me (she was all dolled up, worth the wait). She saw how upset I was and the next time she was about 1/2 hour early.

We've been together for about 5 years now and she realizes my point of view and is no longer on "dominican" time when it comes to me. She tells people I am "demasiado puntual". I value my time and in turn, other people's time.

3 hours is ridiculous, I would have left her cab fare and sent her home. Don't set a precedent, don't put up with the "dominican" mentality.[/QUOTE]The question that keeps popping up in my mind, is why arent chicas wise enough to just pick up the phone and call the person they intend to meet, to ask for more time, or just a FYI call. That right there could go a long way if they need more time. Im talking about chicas a guy has a personal relationship with. Not necessarily some chica out on the prowl, who is open for business 24/7.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1484715]I assume the "obvious reasons" are that Brazil and DR are notorious for prostitution? I would be interested in the reasons you gave for going to Haiti. Charity work?[/QUOTE]Haha! I seriously cracked up with your last bit. Charles Pooter!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1485043]The question that keeps popping up in my mind, is why arent chicas wise enough to just pick up the phone and call the person they intend to meet, to ask for more time, or just a FYI call. That right there could go a long way if they need more time. Im talking about chicas a guy has a personal relationship with. Not necessarily some chica out on the prowl, who is open for business 24/7.[/QUOTE]1. They don't have enough minutes on their phone.

2. They are up to something they don't want you to know about.

3. They don't care.

4. They don't expect you to be on the edge of your seat waiting for them.

5. They are poor time managers and forget that they have other commitments such as kids, family to take care of.

6. They are just dumb.

7. They have no history of regular employment or adherence to schedules other than school where they probably didn't show up half the time or were often late.

7. Any combination of all of the above.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1485287]1. They don't have enough minutes on their phone.

2. They are up to something they don't want you to know about.

3. They don't care.

4. They don't expect you to be on the edge of your seat waiting for them.

5. They are poor time managers and forget that they have other commitments such as kids, family to take care of.

6. They are just dumb.

7. They have no history of regular employment or adherence to schedules other than school where they probably didn't show up half the time or were often late.

7. Any combination of all of the above.[/QUOTE]My question was mostly rhetorical. And you responded with answers? Interesting. Now if you would only put this much effort into responding to direct questions posed to you, instead of selective deflection / avoidance, that would be quite a change and accompkishment.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1485019]People fall into two classes[/QUOTE]I disagree but no matter.

Don't apologize for me. But for an inartful or injudicious choice of metaphor I have no criticism. Treat 'them how you like. You're the one who has live to there.

My point was simply that many of our 'brothers' I believe, read into these posts that like the foreign myth of 'American streets being paved with gold', Sosua is the six flags of the North American sex world. And that by simply being American, however socially inept, entitles them some natural immunity to harm wherever they go.

And the fact that almost every negative experience related on these threads gets force fed back to the poster nine fold with some form of superior, condescending analysis discourages most negative truths and consequently presents an unbalanced picture.

And that's all from me about that so caveat emptor and buena suerte!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1485040]I guess you know Frannie (perhaps even personally) because of which you commented as above. Indeed, his analogy to dogs was entirely figurative. What prompted me to comment on yours is that it came from a "Lobo". Who by definition knows all about hierarchy. LOL.[/QUOTE]A lobo solo, though, is a lone wolf, so perhaps the sole survivor of the pack, or an outcast. Not top dog, anyway, but no-one's ***** either.

Yes, of course the dog analogy is figurative. Use the same simple and consistent tactics you would use to train a dog to act how you want, and avoid ambiguous body language and mixed messages.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1485021]3- Vc foi Lindo trazendo champanhe e morangos; (eu andão esperava)

4- Adorei os presentes q me deu;

5- Adorei cada minuto com vc e realmente queria repetir tudo novamente;

6- Estava planejando passar o Natal com vc them Atlanta e cheguei a comentar com vc sobre as passagens; [/QUOTE]I thought you were a cheapskate. She had champagne with you and speaking of Christmas vacation with you in Atlanta? She paid for all that? LOL. Just kidding! It was a nice mail clarifying who the king of the hill is.

I also learned that Irma in Portuguese means sister. The closest I came to an Irma was in France (and then of course the movie Irma la douce!) but never thought it meant anything else in some other language. Hmm!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1485433]A lobo solo, though, is a lone wolf, so perhaps the sole survivor of the pack, or an outcast. Not top dog, anyway, but no-one's ***** either.[/QUOTE]But too damn contrary to get along for any length of time with hardly anyone. I try to be nice, but I've got too many sharp edges. LOL.

And as far as I know, I don't know anyone who posts here personally.

A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck!

The cases I know personally they never worked out in fact every case the guy went through complete hell with these girls.

Does anyone use Dulche Secreto rooms? I'm think since I'll be staying a little far from the main strip I could take my short time girls there

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1485874]Does anyone use Dulche Secreto rooms? I'm think since I'll be staying a little far from the main strip I could take my short time girls there[/QUOTE]Would someone please set me straight? Do you need a car to use Dulche Secreto or not? All of my RTFF makes references to "driving in" and going through a turnstyle. I won't have a car, but had given thought to trying it out if I could figure out the details.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=AtumRa; 1485819]A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck!

The cases I know personally they never worked out in fact every case the guy went through complete hell with these girls.[/QUOTE]A girl I have in my phone on Whatsapp changed her profile picture to one with her in front of the airport terminal a couple of days ago. Better pack it in, Sosua is drying up and the locals are bailing out! JK.

[QUOTE=AtumRa;1485819]The cases I know personally they never worked out in fact every case the guy went through complete hell with these girls.[/QUOTE]In most cases they don't work out but I personally know two former Blackbeard's girls now living in the USA with their children and new husbands and seem very happy, both of them have been in the USA for a couple years. One of the girls lives not too far from me and I have gone to dinner with her and her husband, they seem very happy. I know a gorgeous "non-pro" from Puerto Plata, a real gold digger, that just arrived in NYC a few months ago with her daughter, her wedding is scheduled for December. I would be shocked if that one lasted, I spent three days with her and she was asking me for all kinds of shit.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1485874]Does anyone use Dulche Secreto rooms? I'm think since I'll be staying a little far from the main strip I could take my short time girls there[/QUOTE]I have never stayed there, but how can you go wrong with an RD500 room for ST?
Not fancy like Santiago Cabanas, but clean.

***I stole this picture!

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1485874]Does anyone use Dulche Secreto rooms? I'm think since I'll be staying a little far from the main strip I could take my short time girls there[/QUOTE]Si Senor. I've used Dulce Secreto quite a few times. I used the cabana 3 times this last trip. 2 were back to back in less than 30 minutes after the 1st visit. I got with a sweet Haitian chica walking with her cousin on Pedro Clisante near El Colibri. Took her to Dulce Secreto because she didn't have her passport on her person. My hotel wouldn't have let her in, unless I greased the security guard. I decided I'd rather pay at a cabana than go through the hassle. Plus I might not have wanted her to know where I'm staying. The Haitian chica was a little too shy and too dry. So I paid her something, but took her back where I found her. Then sought out another chica.

When I went back, I drive my car into the same standard garage that I had just left from 20 minutes ago. Which was $590 pesos for 4 hours. The second time I ordered a drink for the chica. However, you can easily bring food and beverage with you. I usually leave a 50 peso tip in the pay basket they provide to you. The way it works. You drive into the complex, you don't have to talk to anybody at the front gate. Just drive straight in, and find an open garage door. If you don't want the unit with a jacuzzi (executive unit) for $690 pesos for 4 hours, pull into the Standard unit for $590 pesos for 4 hours.

I have previously tried the one with the Jacuzzi. It's nice, especially if you are into spooning and cupcaking with a chica. The drawbacks of the jacuzzi, is that it takes an awful long time to fill the tub. The water is barely hot. Plus you have to make sure it is clean and ready for use. You don't want to fill the tub only to find out they didn't do a good job cleaning it. It ends up being a waste of time and mood killer if you have those problems. The standard is just fine for getting the job done and rolling out.

They have a-c and a fan next to the bed. Flat screen TV, a small table to eat, and some sex apparatus you can use to post up with a chick (useless or unnecessary IMO ). They provide 2 condoms, 2 large towels, maybe one small face cloth, feminine hygiene wash in a packet, 2 pieces of candy, one or two small bars of soap.

If your spanish is not good, tell the chica to answer the phone and tell them how long you want to stay. Most dudes only need 4 horas, for $590. 2 minutes after you hang up, a doorbell will sound. That means your bill is in the revolving door. You pay, and they give you a remote for the tv. At the time of the call, you can order food and beverages if you choose, and that will be on the bill. Or you can order it afterwards, and they will ring you when it is in the revolving door. When your time is up, ( if you havent already left ) they will call you to find out if you want to pay for more time.

After you leave and drive toward the exit, the exit garage door remains closed until your unit is checked for damage, theft, or worse (like taking the remote or breaking something, or somebody left in their hurt / killed ect ). If everything is good, they radio to security to open the garage door and you are free to leave.

I have taken a cab to Dulce Secreto as well. The cab will pull into the unit you choose. You and the chica get out while inside the garage. He backs up and out, and leaves. You can call the same cab back if you want to be picked up after you are done. I suggest that the cab be called before your time is up at the cabana. Just be dressed and ready to go when you place the call. Almost forgot. I have also drove a scooter to a cabana as well. Everything else is the same.

Thanks Wrx2005. Useful walkthru for newbies.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1485895]Thanks Wrx2005. Useful walkthru for newbies.[/QUOTE]your Welcome!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1485889]Si Senor. I've used Dulce Secreto quite a few times.[/QUOTE]Good info gracias! I'll probably be taking a moto there so hopefully that's not an issue.

I wouldn't mind trying the Jacuzzi but it really depends on the chica's personality and how much I'm into her.

Does anyone know a safe area / neighborhood where one can park their vehicle without worrying about it being towed away, alternate side of the street, or other parking offenses? I tend to fly out of JFK airport, and have been using long term parking facilities for my vehicle. A 2 week trip away, the parking cost can be over $200. If I found a safe, legal parking spot in a neighborhood. I could save that money to use for something else.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1485910]Does anyone know a safe area / neighborhood where one can park their vehicle without worrying about it being towed away, alternate side of the street, or other parking offenses? I tend to fly out of JFK airport, and have been using long term parking facilities for my vehicle. A 2 week trip away, the parking cost can be over $200. If I found a safe, legal parking spot in a neighborhood. I could save that money to use for something else.[/QUOTE]It is not a good idea to leave your car on a residential street in NYC. I do not know where you live but if you can get to a Long Island Railroad station there is free parking there. After you park take the train to Jamaicastation and air train to terminal. Only issue is you need to co ordinate the train timings on LIRR.

Alternately you can call the hotels near JFK and negotiate with them parking rate for 2 weeks. They do have free shuttles to the airport. Also there are other off airport sites where you can park and they have free ride.

To terminal.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1485910]Does anyone know a safe area / neighborhood where one can park their vehicle without worrying about it being towed away, alternate side of the street, or other parking offenses? I tend to fly out of JFK airport, and have been using long term parking facilities for my vehicle. A 2 week trip away, the parking cost can be over $200. If I found a safe, legal parking spot in a neighborhood. I could save that money to use for something else.[/QUOTE]I use this guy: [url]http://www.yelp.com/biz/c-and-d-cheap-jfk-long-term-parking-springfield-gardens[/url]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1485889]Si Senor. I've used Dulce Secreto quite a few times. I used the cabana 3 times this last trip. 2 were back to back in less than 30 minutes after the 1st visit. I got with a sweet Haitian chica walking with her cousin on Pedro Clisante near El Colibri. Took her to Dulce Secreto because she didn't have her passport on her person. My hotel wouldn't have let her in, unless I greased the security guard. I decided I'd rather pay at a cabana than go through the hassle. Plus I might not have wanted her to know where I'm staying. The Haitian chica was a little too shy and too dry. So I paid her something, but took her back where I found her. Then sought out another chica.

When I went back, I drive my car into the same standard garage that I had just left from 20 minutes ago. Which was $590 pesos for 4 hours. The second time I ordered a drink for the chica. However, you can easily bring food and beverage with you. I usually leave a 50 peso tip in the pay basket they provide to you. The way it works. You drive into the complex, you don't have to talk to anybody at the front gate. Just drive straight in, and find an open garage door. If you don't want the unit with a jacuzzi (executive unit) for $690 pesos for 4 hours, pull into the Standard unit for $590 pesos for 4 hours.

I have previously tried the one with the Jacuzzi. It's nice, especially if you are into spooning and cupcaking with a chica. The drawbacks of the jacuzzi, is that it takes an awful long time to fill the tub. The water is barely hot. Plus you have to make sure it is clean and ready for use. You don't want to fill the tub only to find out they didn't do a good job cleaning it. It ends up being a waste of time and mood killer if you have those problems. The standard is just fine for getting the job done and rolling out.

They have a-see and a fan next to the bed. Flat screen TV, a small table to eat, and some sex apparatus you can use to post up with a chick (useless or unnecessary IMO ). They provide 2 condoms. 2 large towels, maybe one small face cloth, feminine hygiene wash in a packet. 2 pieces of candy, one or two small bars of soap.

If your spanish is not good, tell the chica to answer the phone and tell them how long you want to stay. Most dudes only need 4 horas, for $590. 2 minutes after you hang up, a doorbell will sound. That means your bill is in the revolving door. You pay, and they give you a remote for the tv. At the time of the call, you can order food and beverages if you choose, and that will be on the bill. Or you can order it afterwards, and they will ring you when it is in the revolving door. When your time is up, (if you haven't already left) they will call you to find out if you want to pay for more time.

After you leave and drive toward the exit, the exit garage door remains closed until your unit is checked for damage, theft, or worse (like taking the remote or breaking something, or somebody left in their hurt / killed ect ). If everything is good, they radio to security to open the garage door and you are free to leave.[/QUOTE]I have been to the Dulce Secreto and several of times I did not use the entire 4 hours that I had paid for and was wondering if I could exit and then come back with a different chica to the same room and finish the time out. I always assumed that when the guy's came and checked the room and let you out the gate that the room ended.

If you can return please tell me who I need to notify and what I need to tell them.

I will be staying in BB for a few days in the beginning of November, then spending a few days with the main girl I play with. I have a couple days free and will be checking out Sosua for my first time. I have read some of the reviews here and found a lot of stuff to do, so I am asking some of you more experienced guys if there is anything I should be sure and hit since I am only there for a short time?

[QUOTE=AtumRa;1485819]A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck![/QUOTE]Doesn't surprise me. A brotha I met from DC in Sosua told me his boy married a puta this summer that he had referred him to after he hit it. Now the newly wed is sending his new wife Western Union while he prepares to bring her to the states. The guy told me it was kind of weird going to their wedding in Punta Cana knowing that at least 3 guys there had stroked the bride to be.

[QUOTE=Hawk452;1486294]I will be staying in BB for a few days in the beginning of November, then spending a few days with the main girl I play with. I have a couple days free and will be checking out Sosua for my first time. I have read some of the reviews here and found a lot of stuff to do, so I am asking some of you more experienced guys if there is anything I should be sure and hit since I am only there for a short time?[/QUOTE]The main beach, the chica bars on Calle Pedro Clissante and that is about it. The restaurants you can see for yourself and decide what to eat. You could go to the CMP night club if you want to see a brothel / bar in action. The ice cream place at the gas station. The Supermercado Playero on the main highway. Cafe Tropical for lunch Dominican style. The ATMs at Playero Supermarket for $1000 and $200 peso bills, or Banco Popular for $500 and $100 bills. The Internet cafe opposite Banco Popular. Belkis salon for massage that never ends sadly. Latino Minimarket for supercheap generic Viagra and Cialis. You can also buy cheap beer there and sit outside and drink it. La Planchera restaurant for good food at very reasonable price. New Cafe for a great breakfast. Dentist opposite Playero Minimarket.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1486492]The main beach, the chica bars on Calle Pedro Clissante and that is about it. The restaurants you can see for yourself and decide what to eat. You could go to the CMP night club if you want to see a brothel / bar in action. The ice cream place at the gas station. The Supermercado Playero on the main highway. Cafe Tropical for lunch Dominican style. The ATMs at Playero Supermarket for $1000 and $200 peso bills, or Banco Popular for $500 and $100 bills. The Internet cafe opposite Banco Popular. Belkis salon for massage that never ends sadly. Latino Minimarket for supercheap generic Viagra and Cialis. You can also buy cheap beer there and sit outside and drink it. La Planchera restaurant for good food at very reasonable price. New Cafe for a great breakfast. Dentist opposite Playero Minimarket.[/QUOTE]Doesn't sound like much, but actually Sosua is a really picturesque and interesting place, best seen between 7:30 and 9:00 in the morning before it gets too hot, when you can wander around and see all kinds of interesting things as people go about their daily business. Of course many people just come for the girls and maybe the beach and miss out on this aspect, but if you do want to get to know Sosua, it is there to be discovered.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1486240]I have been to the Dulce Secreto and several of times I did not use the entire 4 hours that I had paid for and was wondering if I could exit and then come back with a different chica to the same room and finish the time out. I always assumed that when the guy's came and checked the room and let you out the gate that the room ended.

If you can return please tell me who I need to notify and what I need to tell them.[/QUOTE]I do not know their policy off hand, but I wouldn't think you could leave and come back to the same room to finish out your 4 hours. Here's why? Typically when a guest leaves, they take the time to clean the room for the next guest. If your intent is to leave the spot, come back with another one, you have put that unit on hold when it could be occupied?

Imagine if every customer wanted that consideration? Getting an available unit could be a problem. Suppose you leave and don't come back for whatever reason, now they have a unit on hold just for you? Meanwhile other guests may need a spot? Seems highly unlikely that they would go for a guest leaving and coming back within the 4 hours. It does make sense as far as the customer saving money, but not necessarily practical or good business for DS. Remember? $590 pesos is only $14 US dollars. It's not a lot of money. If you go twice were only talking about $28 dollars for 8 hours. Thats pretty reasonable, IMO.

One thing might work. Is have the 1st chica leave on her own. Call a taxi, whatever. And if you know who the other chica is, have her come to Dulce Secreto to meet you at your unit to finish out your time. Just to reiterate I do not know their policy in terms of leaving and coming back to finish out the time.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1485877]Would someone please set me straight? Do you need a car to use Dulche Secreto or not? All of my RTFF makes references to "driving in" and going through a turnstyle. I won't have a car, but had given thought to trying it out if I could figure out the details.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't see why one would need a car? Just have you and the chica walk up like people do at bank drive-thru's or ATM's. Walk in, and go straight to an open garage. I guarantee the security won't even pay attention to the fact that you didn't come in a car. Plus you give them someone nice to look at.

However, I warn you. If you and the chica walk in, don't back up after you enter. They have some tire spikes there at the entrance that would do some serious damage to a chicas high heels or your sandals / sneakers. Also, if you want to amuse security, walk in with your hands up looking like you are driving in. I'm sure they will get a kick out of that.

After your done and you proceed to the exit, the two of you might be standing there looking like silly rabbits waiting for the exit garage door to open so ya'll can walk out together. Man, Go Ahead and Have fun. Mode of transportation is not important. Them getting the pesos is.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1486168]I use this guy:

[url]http://www.yelp.com/biz/c-and-d-cheap-jfk-long-term-parking-springfield-gardens[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks Manizales. In the link there is a promotion of $350 reduced down to $285. I called to ask what did that price represent. He said that was for a month. I'll have to sort this out. I asked on the phone what the daily rate was, he said $10 a day. That is a good rate. The last few trips I have been using Park Plus on South Conduit Ave. On their website, it's $10 a day. Just make sure you click on the right link, because they show a $14. 95 a day price and the $10 a day price. It would be foolish for anyone to click on the higher price link instead of the lower price link ($10 ). Your guy and Park Plus both seem like great options. I was just thinking of finding a much cheaper or costless option. Again thanks for the link. That could very well be a back up solution.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1486109]It is not a good idea to leave your car on a residential street in NYC. I do not know where you live but if you can get to a Long Island Railroad station there is free parking there. After you park take the train to Jamaicastation and air train to terminal. Only issue is you need to co ordinate the train timings on LIRR.

Alternately you can call the hotels near JFK and negotiate with them parking rate for 2 weeks. They do have free shuttles to the airport. Also there are other off airport sites where you can park and they have free ride.

To terminal.[/QUOTE]You are the 2nd person to offer that warning. And I agree, it is not a good idea to park on a residential street. I have to admit, I'd constantly be worried about my car once I parked it on the street. The tip of using the LIRR free parking sounds interesting. I may decide to make a test run one day, and see how it goes. I intend to be away for 2 weeks on my next trip, whereas most of the Park and Fly hotels (I saw online) offered one nights stay, and 7 days parking. I only saw one Park and Fly with 2 weeks parking and one night stay, but the cost was over $200. I probably need to call theses hotels and speak directly to someone who can give me more information / options.

Park Plus wants $175 (that includes taxes / fees etc) for my 2 week parking stay. So far Park Plus is not looking so bad after all. Thank you for your suggestions. How did you find out about the LIRR free parking? I can imagine getting to JFK might be a breeze, but how do you manage doing the reverse? Leaving JFK to get back to your car? Coordinating with LIRR time schedules? Coming home extremely late etc?

[QUOTE=AtumRa; 1485819]A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck!

The cases I know personally they never worked out in fact every case the guy went through complete hell with these girls.[/QUOTE]These guys are who I call Grand Master Super Captain Save-a-whoe. These guys I believe should never get in to the hobby of mongering because they are such simps they believe that the GFE experience is real love. They probably read these boards too and listen to the homies but still believe that their chica or girl is one of a kind. It's been so many times I have been long stroking brides to be while their man is back home pampering them with WU money. You simps are probably reading right now and thinking not your girl because when I call she always answers. You are right she does, she'll be talking to you while sitting on top of a couple of inches. Guys marriage is a big step (I'm talking to you future Grandmaster Captain Save-a-whoes) why settle down with a woman who has been leasing the ass off at a regular bases? Unless you are staying there in the said country with the girl I would suggest not being the WU fiance. That is just Overtime pay for her trade.

Don't be Grandmaster Super Captain Save-a-whoe.

With all the negative press about CMP how can you recommend the place. Had the owner of rockys locked up and then last week double billed a guy for a session. No one who values their money or life should frequent the place. It is very clear that these guys will rip you a new one if you let them.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1486516]Doesn't sound like much, but actually Sosua is a really picturesque and interesting place, best seen between 7:30 and 9:00 in the morning before it gets too h.

Ot, when you can wander around and see all kinds of interesting things as people go about their daily business. Of course many people just come for the girls and maybe the beach and miss out on this aspect, but if you do want to get to know Sosua, it is there to be discovered.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1486577]With all the negative press about CMP how can you recommend the place. Had the owner of rockys locked up and then last week double billed a guy for a session. No one who values their money or life should frequent the place. It is very clear that these guys will rip you a new one if you let them.[/QUOTE]Didn't say I was recommending it, just that it is one of the tourist sights of Sosua. If you have never seen the inside of a brothel and you are interested, then there it is.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1486544]Also, if you want to amuse security, walk in with your hands up looking like you are driving in. I'm sure they will get a kick out of that.[/QUOTE]Can we make "brrrrrrrrrrrrrm, brrrrrrrrrrrrrm" noises as well, and fart to simulate backfiring?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1486577]With all the negative press about CMP how can you recommend the place. Had the owner of rockys locked up and then last week double billed a guy for a session. No one who values their money or life should frequent the place. It is very clear that these guys will rip you a new one if you let them.[/QUOTE]I'm very surpised about this. Haven't been in Sosua the last half year, but I have lived many years in Sosua, and have been a regular at CMP for a long time. Never had a problem there, just endless good memories.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1486604]Can we make "brrrrrrrrrrrrrm, brrrrrrrrrrrrrm" noises as well, and fart to simulate backfiring?[/QUOTE]If it will get you in the complex, why not? You can even spill some chicken blood on the sheets, to make it look like the chica was on her period in your spot. That might have them ignore the fact you didn't come in a car.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1486577]With all the negative press about CMP how can you recommend the place. Had the owner of rockys locked up and then last week double billed a guy for a session. No one who values their money or life should frequent the place. It is very clear that these guys will rip you a new one if you let them.[/QUOTE]

In all due respect to my fellow posters I was at CMP when it first opened and have been there several times. If you have never been overcharged in CMP you have never been to CMP.

I recall when they first opened I could not literally walk down the street, past them, without someone there trying to stop me and pulling me into the club. I was concerned about ordering a drink for fear of being overcharged.

If you do not know your way about town, if money is no object, if you do not speak the language, and you want a safe environment (some people might even question this!) , than CMP is it.

I found the former Passions overpriced (and waited till Midnight or when the chicas were at the casino disco before picking them up) but the former Passions was much more reasonable, you knew what you were paying for, and it was safer for the average joe to enjoy himself, than CMP could ever be.

For the experience go to CMP once or twice but for action they are asking too much. Perhaps this is because I speak the language and can negotiate. I always look for bargains and CMP is not a bargain hunters paradise. You can always get less expensive action at the clubs (and later on in the night the same exact CMP action at a cheaper price at these very clubs). Go to CMP. You like a chica. Corner her. Get her digits and before you know it you can see her outside and don't get overcharged.

I have never had any problems in CMP yet I know a ripoff joint when I see it.
CMP is as much of a bargain as the singer Madonna is a 'Virgin for the Very First Time!"

[QUOTE=Boriman;1486710]I have never had any problems in CMP yet I know a ripoff joint when I see it.[/QUOTE]Good advice! I've had some great times in CMP but I've also heard about some niff nods having problems there, especially when they are drunk and / or high. I always stop in there to take a look, if for nothing else than to break up the monotony at the other end of the strip.

[quote=Boriman; 1486710]Go to CMP. You like a chica. Corner her. Get her digits and before you know it you can see her outside and don't get overcharged.[/quote]Simple rules to follow that will save you money!

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1486604]Can we make "brrrrrrrrrrrrrm, brrrrrrrrrrrrrm" noises as well, and fart to simulate backfiring?[/QUOTE]You can enter on foot or on a motoconcho and you can leave on foot. Why would this be a problem?

I always hear the chica's talking about they need money for there hair. I never thought much about it and did not really care if they got it fixed or not until I started calling my chica's for spur of the moment fucking that is when I really found out how much them getting there hair done does matter. Especially when they have long hair.

So guy's phone numbers are good to have but don't think that the girl's will be dressed and fixed to the 9's at all time's. If you want a fixed up chica you must get her while she is own the prowl. If you call her it is just like anywhere else. Most time's you have to wait on them to get ready or look at there fucked up hair doo while you fuck them and believe me they don't look near as good with a fucked up hair doo.

Is it better to sport fuck or to wife up. I do both things and enjoy it. I am planning a trip very soon. I have some ladies I have been talking to on skype. The anticipation is awesome and I think mutual. Whether for money sex or any thing else I believe the chicas are as excited as I am. There is huge difference between fucking a pro and non hard core girl.

What does CMP stand for?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1486717]Good advice! I've had some great times in CMP but I've also heard about some niff nods having problems there, especially when they are drunk and / or high. I always stop in there to take a look, if for nothing else than to break up the monotony at the other end of the strip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1486903]What does CMP stand for?[/QUOTE]Chumps masterfully played.

The two guys I know who were taken advantage of were not newbies or drunk. One was a long time resident and business owner and the other a seasoned vet. They were both strong armed with padded bills. One was jailed and the other taken for a hundred bucks. Who knows how many guys have been ripped but not me. They do not do this with every customer but one is to many. I would not give those b0 Oastards a nickle.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1486903]What does CMP stand for?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1486898]The anticipation is awesome and I think mutual. Whether for money sex or any thing else I believe the chicas are as excited as I am.[/QUOTE]Let me have a guess: you are excited about spending the money and they are excited about getting hold of your dick.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1486898]There is huge difference between fucking a pro and non hard core girl.[/QUOTE]What is the difference?

One of those things

Fran if you do not know I can not help you.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1487005]Let me have a guess: you are excited about spending the money and they are excited about getting hold of your dick.

What is the difference?[/QUOTE]

FWIW, I believe he is saying it is a mental connection thing. It is what one feels on the inside. And yes, it could be based on an imaginary reality! It really does not mater because that feelng produces a different kind of biological response. All the way to completion and may linger!

It's kind of like saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That is a non-touch view. Versus this is total sensory biological feeling! Porbably emanates in the cortex! No, I am not a doc. Just a guy that loves the science of the brain. The quantum brain. Want to know more look into the work of Penrose and Hammeroff. They do not talk about this kind of stuff at all, but the quantum brain. The brains is of two people in coitus (to use the oft-used term in the comedy The Big Bang Theory" may indeed do a mind meld or exist in multiple places at once, during sex! Never thought you have to put up with this kind of nonsense, on this website, did ya? My apologies in advance! Truly!

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1487014]One of those things

Fran if you do not know I can not help you.[/QUOTE]

I have had fun there on my way to Passions and after. I always paid for each drink and ladys drink as they came. They might think you are a cheap charlie, and I am not. Just cautious. When I have been there when it is slow the girls all swarm around you with the "pick me" look. They each tell you what they will do for you and how good it will be. But they are over priced and dirtier feel than Passions. Chicas are Chicas. You feel like a target when you are there. It is definately high pressure. Before Peters arrest at Passions closure the cool thing both Passions and CMP had were menus for available services. Prices and services each quoted on a well type set, in color, with photographs and laminated marketing tool. It was still in effect in June but when I returned for the month of August CMP pulled the menu and Peter was still in jail and Passions had closed. Any news of the Passions reopening SAGA?

Come on Frannie. I think I know who you are on another board and from what I've read on here you know your stuff.

Maybe for us tourists the difference is in our minds.

We have spent time with a semi pro a long time ago. And I personally felt the experience is different.

If you are a working girl and fuck every day for work, over time you are going to change. Your attitude will change, your appearance will change and the guys experience will change.

When you are a "new girl to the game" its still exciting / new / nervous to her. And there is a difference in the experience!

Hey Oldkool,

There are always two sides to every story. The truth is normally somewhere in the middle.

When on vacation I like a drink and in my job in the UK, I kinda know my drinks.

My complaint with CMP is I personally believe the Rum is watered down.

I order my drinks at the bar and watch. I saw how much rum was put into the glass and it didn't taste strong at all.

Couple that with the price of drinks in that place means we don't spend much time in there.

That said. It's not bad to check the place out every now and then.

I personally liked Banana Pepe a few years ago. That placed ticked all my boxes!

Quality of girls.

Drinks quality.

Prices.

Nice location.

Shame it went.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1486903]What does CMP stand for?[/QUOTE]Cost more pesos!

How about someone started a thread with pictures and names of chicas to avoid while in Sosua. Image how much help that will be to first timers! I bet some Vets in here can really run down a good list.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1486872]I never thought much about it and did not really care if they got it fixed or not until I started calling my chica's for spur of the moment fucking that is when I really found out how much them getting there hair done does matter. Especially when they have long hair.[/QUOTE]For me, hair is one of the sexiest things on a woman. One thing I love about the DR is finding beautiful island women with naturally beautiful hair. In the USA, a lot of women of color spend hundreds of dollars to walk around with somebody else's DNA on their head because they don't like their own hair. I see some of this in Sosua as well, but overall the DR has women with beautiful hair. I can't blame women for wanting to take care of it cause I know I love to run my fingers through it and grab it.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1486903]What does CMP stand for?[/QUOTE]Caribbean Men's Paradise.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dOJomrtP0[/url]

[url]http://www.cmp-club.de/#[/url]! Home.

[url]http://www.cubadave.com/2011/12/cmp-night-club-sosua-rd/[/url]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1486308]Doesn't surprise me. A brotha I met from DC in Sosua told me his boy married a puta this summer that he had referred him to after he hit it. Now the newly wed is sending his new wife Western Union while he prepares to bring her to the states. The guy told me it was kind of weird going to their wedding in Punta Cana knowing that at least 3 guys there had stroked the bride to be.[/QUOTE]LMAO. I knew this guy that's well traveled that had a puta pregnant when he didn't give her the pesos to get the abortion she then told another guy.

He was the father but it was not possible because she was not there when she conceived. This guy he paid for the abortion and then she blasted off to NY on a fiance visa with another dude. The guy from NY is going to catch nothing but from this puta because all the time she was waiting on her visa.

She continued work even though the guy was sending her WU money to keep her off the stroll.

[QUOTE=Sure Thing; 1486557]These guys are who I call Grand Master Super Captain Save-a-whoe. These guys I believe should never get in to the hobby of mongering because they are such simps they believe that the GFE experience is real love. They probably read these boards too and listen to the homies but still believe that their chica or girl is one of a kind. It's been so many times I have been long stroking brides to be while their man is back home pampering them with WU money. You simps are probably reading right now and thinking not your girl because when I call she always answers. You are right she does, she'll be talking to you while sitting on top of a couple of inches. Guys marriage is a big step (I'm talking to you future Grandmaster Captain Save-a-whoes) why settle down with a woman who has been leasing the ass off at a regular bases? Unless you are staying there in the said country with the girl I would suggest not being the WU fiance. That is just Overtime pay for her trade.

Don't be Grandmaster Super Captain Save-a-whoe.[/QUOTE]All these guys are a rest haven for a ho. I seen a girl that got wife up on websites riding a dudes poles and sobering on them like a dog with rabies even after I pointed out this one guy I knew got mad at me and cut me off and still married her only for her to send him to hell 2 times and back.

[QUOTE=Diveho;1487045]I have had fun there on my way to Passions and after. I always paid for each drink and ladys drink as they came. They might think you are a cheap charlie, and I am not. Just cautious.[/QUOTE]Good move! I always give a place a shot because I know we are all different with how we are perceived, handle things, and what we bring to the table.

I know this place gets a bad rap and some of it is gossip by people that are telling stories third or forth hand. That being said, I definitely wouldn't make CMP my main stay for many of the reasons stated. But, you can also work the system in your favor if you know what you are doing.

Thanks for all the replies, guys!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1487105]Caribbean Men's Paradise.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dOJomrtP0[/url]

[url]http://www.cmp-club.de/#[/url]

! Home.

[url]http://www.cubadave.com/2011/12/cmp-night-club-sosua-rd/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1487080]How about someone started a thread with pictures and names of chicas to avoid while in Sosua. Image how much help that will be to first timers! I bet some Vets in here can really run down a good list.[/QUOTE]It can only create animosity, especially if you are posting people's photos without their consent along with detrimental remarks. In addition it is probably of limited practical use, because the appearance of girls can change rapidly with different hairstyles, etc. And because a girl who is great for one guy might turn out lousy for another.

Better to give people advice on how to identify chicas who are more likely to hit the spot.

[QUOTE=ThunderStar; 1487062]Come on Frannie. I think I know who you are on another board and from what I've read on here you know your stuff.

Maybe for us tourists the difference is in our minds.

We have spent time with a semi pro a long time ago. And I personally felt the experience is different.

If you are a working girl and fuck every day for work, over time you are going to change. Your attitude will change, your appearance will change and the guys experience will change.

When you are a "new girl to the game" its still exciting / new / nervous to her. And there is a difference in the experience![/QUOTE]I don't post on any other prostitution boards. I don't find the subject THAT interesting!

Old Kool was drawing a distinction between a girl who is a pro and one who is "not hard core". I was just wondering how one makes such a fine distinction. I suppose "hard core" means girls you will find daily in clubs and bars actively looking for paid sex, but in the DR "pro" and "not hard core" can be the same thing if you take "pro" to mean someone who has sexual relations with foreign men for financial gain.

I think there is a difference if the girl has not had sex for a while-say more than a week, she is likely to be easier to arouse, and if she is also attracted to you, then a definite bonus too. Another factor is obviously that if you take someone for just an hour and she is going to return to the bar, then her mind is probably already on keeping her hair looking good for the next trick. However, against that, people who go to Blackbeards also report a high level of satisfaction and most of their girls could be classed as hard-core, with possible exceptions for those new to the game, but even they are exposed to others more experienced.

[QUOTE=AtumRa;1487123]All these guys are a rest haven for a ho. I seen a girl that got wife up on websites riding a dudes poles and sobering on them like a dog with rabies even after I pointed out this one guy I knew got mad at me and cut me off and still married her only for her to send him to hell 2 times and back.[/QUOTE]Sometimes that happens. These marriages have mixed results, and some work out well and others don't. I would not put too much emphasis on what you see on Web sites. Sex work is just a job.

It depends on many factors including the maturity and financial stability of the participants. All you can say really is that it gives the girl a CHANCE to do something different with her life, but not all have the ability or motivation to learn another language and get the educational certificates that give them a chance to do a non-menial job in another country. A lot of them hear stories about Dominicans who went overseas and came back with money and built a nice home, etc. Certainly it is true that if a Dominican can hang around in the US long enough to qualify for Social Security, they may return with a lifelong income.

I think posting pictures of bad actors is a good idea. A most unwanted list could be very helpful. Once a chica becomes a scammer they rarely change their stripes. You can do all the right things and still find your self with a bad girl. As far as BB goes ST sex is one and done, Most girls there are obviously very bored. Some of the guys could play the role of trolls in the Hobbit movie. Not saying I am all that but I saw guys there whose hygene and compartment left a lot to be desired.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1487256]It can only create animosity, especially if you are posting people's photos without their consent along with detrimental remarks. In addition it is probably of limited practical use, because the appearance of girls can change rapidly with different hairstyles, etc. And because a girl who is great for one guy might turn out lousy for another.

Better to give people advice on how to identify chicas who are more likely to hit the spot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1487275]I think posting pictures of bad actors is a good idea.[/QUOTE]I think you need to be very careful about the legal aspect of posting pictures of anyone without their permission, especially if you are making allegations of criminal activity, swindles, etc. While it might not come to anything, it doesn't seem like it is worth the bother. For what? To warn other people? Very public spirited to be sure, but it also looks like a kind of vindictive revenge when things don't go as planned.

[QUOTE=Sure Thing; 1486557]These guys are who I call Grand Master Super Captain Save-a-whoe. These guys I believe should never get in to the hobby of mongering because they are such simps they believe that the GFE experience is real love. They probably read these boards too and listen to the homies but still believe that their chica or girl is one of a kind. It's been so many times I have been long stroking brides to be while their man is back home pampering them with WU money. You simps are probably reading right now and thinking not your girl because when I call she always answers. You are right she does, she'll be talking to you while sitting on top of a couple of inches. Guys marriage is a big step (I'm talking to you future Grandmaster Captain Save-a-whoes) why settle down with a woman who has been leasing the ass off at a regular bases? Unless you are staying there in the said country with the girl I would suggest not being the WU fiance. That is just Overtime pay for her trade.

Don't be Grandmaster Super Captain Save-a-whoe.[/QUOTE]I often wonder when I read these kinds of posts whether the guy is really upset with himself because he knows he is forever tainted. Once you go down the monger path, can you ever go back to being a true lover? In my case I think not. I know no matter how much I love a woman, I will still be wanting to make some side trips, and I can't understand why that is such a bad thing. I mean I feel like I can be true to my lover in every way but monogamous sex. But I must say I wouldn't demand total monogamy from her either.

As far as true con artists go, I've met a few, male and female. There is nothing new under the sun. You can read about these kinds of women during WWII who were getting allotment checks from multiple guys straight from the US government. Certainly any guy sending money to women should be very careful about their own motives and be sure about what the woman is doing with it. You always read about the flameouts and disasters, but the successful situations don't make the News at 11.

If you're sending money to a woman to support her family, check out how they are living when you visit. Do the kids have new clothes? Is there a washing machine in the house? Are the kids going to school and studying? Etc. Or is the woman sporting all kinds of flash? Is she wearing expensive clothes and has expensive nails and hair? If you want to be an absentee daddy, then finish your homework.

[QUOTE=El Lobo Solo; 1487289]I often wonder when I read these kinds of posts whether the guy is really upset with himself because he knows he is forever tainted. Once you go down the monger path, can you ever go back to being a true lover? In my case I think not. I know no matter how much I love a woman, I will still be wanting to make some side trips, and I can't understand why that is such a bad thing. I mean I feel like I can be true to my lover in every way but monogamous sex. But I must say I wouldn't demand total monogamy from her either.

As far as true con artists go, I've met a few, male and female. There is nothing new under the sun. You can read about these kinds of women during WWII who were getting allotment checks from multiple guys straight from the US government. Certainly any guy sending money to women should be very careful about their own motives and be sure about what the woman is doing with it. You always read about the flameouts and disasters, but the successful situations don't make the News at 11.

If you're sending money to a woman to support her family, check out how they are living when you visit. Do the kids have new clothes? Is there a washing machine in the house? Are the kids going to school and studying? Etc. Or is the woman sporting all kinds of flash? Is she wearing expensive clothes and has expensive nails and hair? If you want to be an absentee daddy, then finish your homework.[/QUOTE]This will just be a long debate. There will be guys who don't agree with wasting money on a chick who is a WG and those who think it's perfectly ok. I and a couple of other guys can go on about how a man is being played by doing but there will always be those who thinks its ok. So lets get back to the reports and I wish the captains well. I luv reading the Sosua boards their always colorful.

This subject is like the chica in the DR you must discuss it with the hotel before checking in. Most all hotels and resorts do not mind it. But like anywhere else in the world do not make any of the other guest uncomfortable. When these place's are really busy they will always be someone who does not really like it so then you must smoke in your room. Most chica's love to smoke

You talking cigarettes I think, I never had a chica who smoked in all my time in the DR.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1487403]This subject is like the chica in the DR you must discuss it with the hotel before checking in. Most all hotels and resorts do not mind it. But like anywhere else in the world do not make any of the other guest uncomfortable. When these place's are really busy they will always be someone who does not really like it so then you must smoke in your room. Most chica's love to smoke[/QUOTE]

To all the "big papis"

If you're paying her when you're not around what's she doing for you?

If you're paying for some kind of exclusivity how can you possibly verify that? Her word?

Sounds like all pay, all deceit and no sex to me

Reading all these post on this site is sometimes a small job when you have not visited it in a while and you are getting ready for a big trip to the DR but guys I am here to tell you if you are going it is worth the time. Oldkool you are 1 of the reasons I went to the DR and continue to go. Each time I go I have more fun than the time before.

Oldkool you know what time it is and you have relaxed with many chica's if I am reading right.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1487513]To all the "big papis"

If you're paying her when you're not around what's she doing for you?

If you're paying for some kind of exclusivity how can you possibly verify that? Her word?

Sounds like all pay, all deceit and no sex to me[/QUOTE]Maybe guys are paying to be told what they want to hear. Isn't that the principle behind sex chat lines and webcam sex sites?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1487540]Maybe guys are paying to be told what they want to hear. Isn't that the principle behind sex chat lines and webcam sex sites?[/QUOTE]On chat lines and webcam you know the money is going to the chat line and webcam. For the captains who are paying to be told what they want to hear except they believe what they hear and think it's real luv or they wouldn't be sending money to begin with.

Big difference.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487285]I think you need to be very careful about the legal aspect of posting pictures of anyone without their permission, especially if you are making allegations of criminal activity, swindles, etc. While it might not come to anything, it doesn't seem like it is worth the bother. For what? To warn other people? Very public spirited to be sure, but it also looks like a kind of vindictive revenge when things don't go as planned.[/QUOTE]There are over 2800 pictures in the photo thread. Over half are pictures of naked chicas. How many ISG member got permission from the chicas to post their half naked to naked body on this forum or to share their encounters with them. I thought one of the goals of this forum is to share info. As for legal aspect. I can imagine a punta suing ISG for not giving the name government name of Grownman1 because he said she was a terrible fuck and did not do as she promised. Yep- she put her money together, came to the US, got an attorney, and now suing me for slander. Slander: and. Oral defamation, in which someone knowingly tells one or more persons an untruth about another, with the intent the untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. (I been watching Judge Mathis) Yep I can see it right now. I said she was a bad hoe, when in fact she is a good hoe with grate skills and got pictures, witnesses and statements from clients. Since I posted her name and picture- selling pussy ain't been the same for her in Sosua. As a result she had to move her family to Boca Chica to reestablish a new corner under an alias. She wants compensation for all the new mongers she has lost and might lose in the future. In pesos! Warning someone is worth the bother if it can help them not make the same mistakes I made, but hey that just me! I agree with you- some Mongers might be vindictive, but a lot of us may have similar stories with the same chica. Wouldn't that be very useful info. Oh yeah- why bother warning others people. For what? Know one is here for useful info anyway! I am just kidding Frannie. I enjoy your insightfulness. You bring yang to ying sometimes and I respect that!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1487587]There are over 2800 pictures in the photo thread. Over half are pictures of naked chicas. How many ISG member got permission from the chicas to post their half naked to naked body on this forum or to share their encounters with them.[/QUOTE]Not many, but they should. People have gotten in trouble over videos, for example a guy who posted a video on Youtube was detained in the DR, and some guys who were shooting porn videos where hijacked by gangsters on the way to the airport. If a chica is a criminal, she may have criminal associates who could bother you, perhaps on a future visit. Why go to the bother of obtaining and posting pictures? This is not effective use of your time. By all means write about your experiences, but it is probably best not to post photos or real names.

Besides that, isn't there a website that women use about guys they should not date or screwed them over or whatever? And there is also a website used by guys about women who scam. Can't remember the names of any right now though.

[Url]http://reportyourex.com/featured-video-archives/dont-date-him-girl/[/url]

[Url]http://www.stop-scammers.com/[/url]

As always you should practice this hobby with caution and live by buyer beware and YMMV.

[QUOTE=Sure Thing; 1487547]On chat lines and webcam you know the money is going to the chat line and webcam. For the captains who are paying to be told what they want to hear except they believe what they hear and think it's real luv or they wouldn't be sending money to begin with.

Big difference.[/QUOTE]For Chrissake! There are tens of thousands of people who send money by automatic debit every month to ripoff charities supposedly to support poor families in third world countries, very little of which money actually reaches the intended recipients, who are never personally identified to the donors with real names, addresses, etc.

If men are sending money to women in the DR at least they know the families and are getting something in return including sex and perhaps getting to know a family, seeing children grow up, learning the language, and so on.

A chica has been using one of my computers for communications with men via Tagged, Skype, Facebook, etc. And you would be amazed how many pathetic, sad, lonely men there are whose only joy in life seems tol be hours of banal conversations or masturbation on Skype, and they never travel anywhere, perhaps because they can't afford it or have criminal records, I don't know.

At least guys who send money to women have some human contact in their lives, and most likely they can well afford the money they are sending. Of course if they are short changing their own children in the home country to send money overseas, then that is deplorable, but how does anyone know that?

No body is getting in trouble for posting a bad actor. Come on Fran get pair. Bet you are scared to jay walk.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487721]Not many, but they should. People have gotten in trouble over videos, for example a guy who posted a video on Youtube was detained in the DR, and some guys who were shooting porn videos where hijacked by gangsters on the way to the airport. If a chica is a criminal, she may have criminal associates who could bother you, perhaps on a future visit. Why go to the bother of obtaining and posting pictures? This is not effective use of your time. By all means write about your experiences, but it is probably best not to post photos or real names.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487731]For Chrissake! There are tens of thousands of people who send money by automatic debit every month to ripoff charities supposedly to support poor families in third world countries, very little of which money actually reaches the intended recipients, who are never personally identified to the donors with real names, addresses, etc.[/QUOTE]That's charity, there's no expectation of a relationship or sex. You're giving money someone you think needs it but you don't know what they look like, you're not attracted to them, and you have no interest in receiving anything in return. Charity and "tricking" are two different things.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487731]If men are sending money to women in the DR at least they know the families and are getting something in return including sex and perhaps getting to know a family, seeing children grow up, learning the language, and so on.[/QUOTE]Well to be true the only thing you know is that you're sending money and she's receiving it. For all you know she could be buying new shoes or buying her real boyfriend new shoes. You can get the sex without wiring her money every month.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487731]At least guys who send money to women have some human contact in their lives, and most likely they can well afford the money they are sending. Of course if they are short changing their own children in the home country to send money overseas, then that is deplorable, but how does anyone know that?[/QUOTE]If that's the only human contact you have then you seriously need to restructure your life. I'm not trying to be cruel but that sounds like a very unhealthy (mentally) way of living.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1487785]You can get the sex without wiring her money every month.[/QUOTE]Oh come on. Most of the guys on this board travel overseas to have sex with prostitutes to make their miserable lives bearable. It really is a question of the pot calling the kettle black when guys come on this board to attack other guys whom they perceive as being lower down the status ladder than themselves.

Yes you can get sex without wiring money every month, but people can do what the hell they want with their disposable income. I would imagine that people who send money every month feel that they have more of a connection than just getting sex.

If someone who sends money to a chica doesn't send it any more, there is no guarantee that the opportunity cost money will be spent on good works or will profit the human race in any manner. If she cheats on him or has a Dominican boyfriend, that is their business. Why should it concern third parties?

No doubt. Every person pays for the service they want. If sending money and having what they consider a relationship. It is their fantacy. Some people drive Bentleys othere KIAs. The value is perceived. I am talking to this girl on line who has a deformed face. Her nose was cut. Her body is a ten. Some guys would be man why you with her. Sweet personality and hot body.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1487789]Oh come on. Most of the guys on this board travel overseas to have sex with prostitutes to make their miserable lives bearable. It really is a question of the pot calling the kettle black when guys come on this board to attack other guys whom they perceive as being lower down the status ladder than themselves.

Yes you can get sex without wiring money every month, but people can do what the hell they want with their disposable income. I would imagine that people who send money every month feel that they have more of a connection than just getting sex.

If someone who sends money to a chica doesn't send it any more, there is no guarantee that the opportunity cost money will be spent on good works or will profit the human race in any manner. If she cheats on him or has a Dominican boyfriend, that is their business. Why should it concern third parties?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487789]Yes you can get sex without wiring money every month, but people can do what the hell they want with their disposable income. I would imagine that people who send money every month feel that they have more of a connection than just getting sex.[/QUOTE]Well I really wasn't trying to attack you man just trying to understand the mentality behind it.

WU payments aren't my thing but if that suits you fine so be it

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1487802]Well I really wasn't trying to attack you man just trying to understand the mentality behind it.[/QUOTE]Sorry I misunderstood your spirit of enquiry.

[QUOTE]If you're paying her when you're not around what's she doing for you?

If you're paying for some kind of exclusivity how can you possibly verify that? Her word?

Sounds like all pay, all deceit and no sex to me[/QUOTE]It is just that a couple of new contributors to the board have jumped in with very strongly expressed opinions about this, and I am just trying to offer a more nuanced view of the matter.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1487417]You talking cigarettes I think, I never had a chica who smoked in all my time in the DR.[/QUOTE]Well that makes 2 of us that has never had a chica in the DR that smoked regular cigarettes.

But as far as the left handed cigarettes go. They all seem to love it.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1487840]Sorry I misunderstood your spirit of enquiry.

It is just that a couple of new contributors to the board have jumped in with very strongly expressed opinions about this, and I am just trying to offer a more nuanced view of the matter.[/QUOTE]Look Frannie,

I wasn't attacking either but I'm in the same position of trying to understand this also. Plus I was giving a warning not attacking. I hear your opinion but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Plus I'm not that new of a member. I've contributed some reports about several years ago about the DR. It just that when I tried to log back in I couldn't remember my password and had to make a new one.

[QUOTE=Sure Thing; 1487867]Look Frannie,

I wasn't attacking either but I'm in the same position of trying to understand this also. Plus I was giving a warning not attacking. I hear your opinion but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Plus I'm not that new of a member. I've contributed some reports about several years ago about the DR. It just that when I tried to log back in I couldn't remember my password and had to make a new one.[/QUOTE]OK, this what you wrote before:

[QUOTE] These guys are who I call Grand Master Super Captain Save-a-whoe. These guys I believe should never get in to the hobby of mongering because they are such simps they believe that the GFE experience is real love. They probably read these boards too and listen to the homies but still believe that their chica or girl is one of a kind. It's been so many times I have been long stroking brides to be while their man is back home pampering them with WU money. You simps are probably reading right now and thinking not your girl because when I call she always answers. You are right she does, she'll be talking to you while sitting on top of a couple of inches.[/QUOTE]To me this comes off as vindictive, hateful, and boastful not as an attempt to understand more.

The women described are not showing much respect to the man who is supporting them, but not to you either, as she does not even turn off her phone to have sex with you, perhaps because she expects a call from her main man.

I cannot answer the question as to why so many men send money to chicas in the DR. There are men of all ages and from many different countries and at many different economic levels, and you see couples all over the place, at the supermarket, in restaurants and bars, at apartment complexes, and schools, if there are children, and so on. Some of the time the men are elsewhere, especially if they are running businesses or not yet retired, so they send money.

You say: "These guys are who I call Grand Master Super Captain Save-a-whoe"but you don't really know anything about each individual couple, how they met, what the basis for their relationship is, and so on.

Here's a little story that may open your eyes. About ten years ago I knew a guy in Puerto Plata who had a girlfriend whom he eventually married and took to England. They had at least one child, but I don't know how it all ended, as I lost touch with them. In the early days of their relationship, the woman found out that the guy had had sex with another chica. However her concern was whether he had paid or gotten a freebie, because in her mind payment for sex was just one of the unfortunate, but necessary facts of life, but a chica having sex with a man for free was an entirely different and much more serious issue-that would be cheating.

That's why it is best not to get involved between two other people-because you really can't know all the ins and outs of their relationship or what they expect from each other.

I know another couple where the girl got pregnant and the guy was sending her support for her and the baby and then came to the DR and married her and eventually took her and the baby to Holland. Last I heard they were doing OK, though no doubt she was finding it hard to adjust to her new life.

You see, every story is different, and while I am sure that the boyfriends of the women you have sex with do appreciate your sympathy, it won't make the slightest difference.

You can be sure that most of the men met these women in prostitution environments and are well aware of the scene. The men may also have their own infidelity stories. Both may be bad actors, but if there is something that also holds them together, maybe personal chemistry or affection, or whatever it is then so be it. Also take into account that many men don't take much pride on being out on the street "mongering" and looking for a new partner each day and may get more satisfaction from a one-on-one relationship with someone who hits the spot for them. Sending a regular remittance certainly builds dependency, and though she may continue to cash in on her depreciating assets in the meantime, she will probably also be in touch with him daily via phone or Skype or Facebook.

Most girls I have dealt with would not smoke anything. Weed is viewed by them as a hard drug or more like cocaine. Most of my Haitian girls enjoyed weed but their culture is very different. I was surprised by this but it has been confirmed over long period of time. When you find a DR girl who smokes look out. Real good chance she is very hard core.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1487802]Well I really wasn't trying to attack you man just trying to understand the mentality behind it.

WU payments aren't my thing but if that suits you fine so be it[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487721]Not many, but they should. People have gotten in trouble over videos, for example a guy who posted a video on Youtube was detained in the DR, and some guys who were shooting porn videos where hijacked by gangsters on the way to the airport. If a chica is a criminal, she may have criminal associates who could bother you, perhaps on a future visit. Why go to the bother of obtaining and posting pictures? This is not effective use of your time. By all means write about your experiences, but it is probably best not to post photos or real names.[/QUOTE]I will agree to disagree about what is an effective use of ones time. I could say the same the about talking about eating vegetables and fruits or drinking coffee on a Sex Guide LOL. But I found it entertainingly funny!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1487963]Most girls I have dealt with would not smoke anything. Weed is viewed by them as a hard drug or more like cocaine. Most of my Haitian girls enjoyed weed but their culture is very different. I was surprised by this but it has been confirmed over long period of time. When you find a DR girl who smokes look out. Real good chance she is very hard core.[/QUOTE]Wow OLDK I thought you would have ran into a few with your encounters. Out all the chicas I have dealt with. 40% of them hit the want to hit the jay. It's usually the younger ones. I hung out with a Dominican street hustler in Sosua who tried to sell me weed. He pointed out and introduced me to all the chicas he sold to. They seem all Dominican. There were a good bit. I didn't buy that shit but I learned some shit. If she smokes a cigarette she is more likely to hit the jay.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1487721]Not many, but they should. People have gotten in trouble over videos, for example a guy who posted a video on Youtube was detained in the DR, and some guys who were shooting porn videos where hijacked by gangsters on the way to the airport. If a chica is a criminal, she may have criminal associates who could bother you, perhaps on a future visit. Why go to the bother of obtaining and posting pictures? This is not effective use of your time. By all means write about your experiences, but it is probably best not to post photos or real names.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Frannie; 1487748]That is one of the main reasons why I like the DR. When I was a small child my mother grew vegetables like peas, beans, tomatoes, and potatoes at home and we had chickens and geese running around. Reminds me of the 1950's only with modern medications, Internet, and cable TV (if you want it.)

In the DR you never go short of fresh pineapples, guavas, papaya, passion fruit, bananas, avocadoes, and mangoes-and they are cheap. Oranges and imported apples are also readily available if you get a yearning for apple pie. To go with it there are plenty of flavors of ice cream not available elsewhere.

Next month I will be making a trip to Florida and am actually dreading having to try to find something decent to eat in the kind of restaurants you find close to the highway. There will be no DR breakfasts of bacon, free range eggs, homefries, fruit salads of papaya, pineapple, banana, watermelon, orange, aromatic coffee, juice, ice water, croissants, toast, and jam for $5, that is for sure!

Dominican coffee is excellent, strong, fragrant, and full of flavour, but for some reason it seems most people in the US like their coffee both bitter and weak, a combination I truly hate, so it is really difficult to find a decent cup of coffee on the road in hotels, restaurants and gas stations, and I once got reprimanded by a cop for using a camping gas stove to prepare a decent pot of Eight O'Clock coffee in a picnic area at a highway rest station![/QUOTE]I am the second to last person that should be talking about what is an effective use of a persons time of subjects to talk about on a SEX guide.

I love coming here for these great trip reports. It's not like you have to wade through pages of off topic shit to find them.

I deal with non pros and pros. Only a very few would take a drag. I had young one take a hit but you could tell she had no clue. All the others acted like it was herion.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1487972]Wow OLDK I thought you would have ran into a few with your encounters. Out all the chicas I have dealt with. 40% of them hit the want to hit the jay. It's usually the younger ones. I hung out with a Dominican street hustler in Sosua who tried to sell me weed. He pointed out and introduced me to all the chicas he sold to. They seem all Dominican. There were a good bit. I didn't buy that shit but I learned some shit. If she smokes a cigarette she is more likely to hit the jay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Creasy;1487987]I love coming here for these great trip reports. It's not like you have to wade through pages of off topic shit to find them.[/QUOTE]Actually all the recent posts are about some aspect of life in Sosua or the DR and the thread is not really dedicated to short term tourist trip reports, or else there would be very little to read or discuss. Of course it is always interesting when someone new shows up on the scene to give a fresh perspective-if one can find their trip reports.

You announced that you were making a trip to the DR in June. It is now almost November and I can't seem to find your trip report either. Could you please provide a link.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1487994]Actually all the recent posts are about some aspect of life in Sosua or the DR and the thread is not really dedicated to short term tourist trip reports, or else there would be very little to read or discuss. Of course it is always interesting when someone new shows up on the scene to give a fresh perspective-if one can find their trip reports.

You announced that you were making a trip to the DR in June. It is now almost November and I can't seem to find your trip report either. Could you please provide a link.[/QUOTE]Why bother? It'd just get buried by the BS or petty arguements. Hell, a member cannibalized and cropped my chica pic from another forum a few pages back. Its out there. There are many guys like me who aren't new to the scene who'd contribute if it weren't for all the discussions that belong elsewhere. Don't anyone bring up blacks or Brazil here. That could last for days! I've said my piece. Thanks to Tomjackin for putting me onto Sosua elsewhere.

Out.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1487972]Wow OLDK I thought you would have ran into a few with your encounters. Out all the chicas I have dealt with. 40% of them hit the want to hit the jay. It's usually the younger ones.[/QUOTE]I'm with Old Kool on that one. I don't think I have ever met a Dominicana that smokes anything. (Unless you count Patricia; I have never seen her smoke but she told me she smokes weed.)

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1487972]If she smokes a cigarette she is more likely to hit the jay.[/QUOTE]Sounds like something I was taught in the navy. But that saying was that if a chick smokes cigarettes, then she definitely sucks dick. In the 25 years since, I have yet to see that one disproven.

[QUOTE=Creasy;1487987]I love coming here for these great trip reports. It's not like you have to wade through pages of off topic shit to find them.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. It goes down like this:

You should do this!

You shouldn't do that!

You should do like I do!

I fucking know more than you!

You don't know shit!

I treat chicas like this, you should treat them the same!

Treat the chicas like dirt!

Treat the chicas like queens!

Never help a girl out!

The girls are out to take all your money!

Did I miss anything my prophets?

Please leave the TR section for, oh, I don't know, MAYBE TRs!

Please do your babbling in the Sosua thread.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1487949]OK, this what you wrote before:

To me this comes off as vindictive, hateful, and boastful not as an attempt to understand more.

The women described are not showing much respect to the man who is supporting them, but not to you either, as she does not even turn off her phone to have sex with you, perhaps because she expects a call from her main man.

I cannot answer the question as to why so many men send money to chicas in the DR. There are men of all ages and from many different countries and at many different economic levels, and you see couples all over the place, at the supermarket, in restaurants and bars, at apartment complexes, and schools, if there are children, and so on. Some of the time the men are elsewhere, especially if they are running businesses or not yet retired, so they send money.

You say: "These guys are who I call Grand Master Super Captain Save-a-whoe"but you don't really know anything about each individual couple, how they met, what the basis for their relationship is, and so on.

Here's a little story that may open your eyes. About ten years ago I knew a guy in Puerto Plata who had a girlfriend whom he eventually married and took to England. They had at least one child, but I don't know how it all ended, as I lost touch with them. In the early days of their relationship, the woman found out that the guy had had sex with another chica. However her concern was whether he had paid or gotten a freebie, because in her mind payment for sex was just one of the unfortunate, but necessary facts of life, but a chica having sex with a man for free was an entirely different and much more serious issue-that would be cheating.

That's why it is best not to get involved between two other people-because you really can't know all the ins and outs of their relationship or what they expect from each other..[/QUOTE]I'm not going to argue with you about sending a prostitute money or marrying her. It's ridiculous. Lets get back to the reports, LOL.

[QUOTE=Creasy;1488008]Why bother? It'd just get buried by the BS or petty arguements. Hell, a member cannibalized and cropped my chica pic from another forum a few pages back. Its out there. There are many guys like me who aren't new to the scene who'd contribute if it weren't for all the discussions that belong elsewhere. Don't anyone bring up blacks or Brazil here. That could last for days! I've said my piece. Thanks to Tomjackin for putting me onto Sosua elsewhere. Out.[/QUOTE]So you want to read, but not contribute unless your report can be headlined and given its own thread?

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[QUOTE=OldKool;1487990]I deal with non pros and pros. Only a very few would take a drag. I had young one take a hit but you could tell she had no clue. All the others acted like it was herion.[/QUOTE]If these girls don't hit the j then they are so high on cocaine they don't need it.

I personally do not want to deal with the one's doing cocaine for it make's the experience uncomfortable for me.

Most people except the chica's tell me they do not smoke the 1st time I meet them but for some reason when I meet them again they smoke and enjoy it.

The laws concerning this matter are not in the smokers favor in the DR but don't let these guys who only do some other kind of mind altering thing scare you away from the DR they are plenty of people who enjoy it and do there thing every day all day with no problems.

I almost did not go to the DR because they were so much negative talk about smoking but the deeper I read these post I found people like me and decided to give it a try.

The DR is awesome for me

I tend to go toward the sweet innocent type. I enjoy a nice buzz and would like be with someone who does as well. Most of the girls in the DR are hard core or not. Not much in the middle. I am not an expert on coke usage. I have never used and do not know anyone who does.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1488240]If these girls don't hit the j then they are so high on cocaine they don't need it.

I personally do not want to deal with the one's doing cocaine for it make's the experience uncomfortable for me.

Most people except the chica's tell me they do not smoke the 1st time I meet them but for some reason when I meet them again they smoke and enjoy it.

The laws concerning this matter are not in the smokers favor in the DR but don't let these guys who only do some other kind of mind altering thing scare you away from the DR they are plenty of people who enjoy it and do there thing every day all day with no problems.

I almost did not go to the DR because they were so much negative talk about smoking but the deeper I read these post I found people like me and decided to give it a try.

The DR is awesome for me[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1488288]I tend to go toward the sweet innocent type. I enjoy a nice buzz and would like be with someone who does as well. Most of the girls in the DR are hard core or not. Not much in the middle. I am not an expert on coke usage. I have never used and do not know anyone who does.[/QUOTE]Not ever trying coke is a good thing OldKool.

Sad to say but I have done lot's of coke in the past.

You did not know but if you have been with a lot of chia's they were some of them who were doing it.

I go for the sweet innocent type as well.

Just because a chica smoke's does not make her any less innocent to me but if she snorts, shoots or smoke's coke she is tainted

[QUOTE=OldKool;1488288]I tend to go toward the sweet innocent type. I enjoy a nice buzz and would like be with someone who does as well. Most of the girls in the DR are hard core or not. Not much in the middle. I am not an expert on coke usage. I have never used and do not know anyone who does.[/QUOTE]I thought I went toward the sweet innocent too. I nice buzz in Sosua puts me in my zone. I never used coke but I know the coke heads, no para mi. I had a few of girls asked me about ex, why do they think I would have the shit beats me. All nature here!

Ok so I'm going to try out CMP in a few days. Is it like Passions where the girls all come in at 4pm? What's the best time to come through?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1488521]Ok so I'm going to try out CMP in a few days. Is it like Passions where the girls all come in at 4pm? What's the best time to come through?[/QUOTE]I always go between 8 and 10 in the evening. That is when all the girls seem to be there. Just hang out with an adult beverage on the big couches and watch how the place works. Been there many times; no issues whatsoever.

In the DR you will almost always see men with guns running around the streets and at good hotels and resorts.

Don't let this trip you out like it did me. I thought every man with a gun was 5-0 but I was so wrong. The men with the gun's are for the most part your friend and will protect you from many different situations. I always try to give them something and be nice to them for they don't make much money either and most of them are hungry just like everybody else in the DR.

It is a good thing for each person who goes to the DR to make themselves aware of which men are the police and which who are not.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1488599]In the DR you will almost always see men with guns running around the streets and at good hotels and resorts.

Don't let this trip you out like it did me. I thought every man with a gun was 5-0 but I was so wrong. The men with the gun's are for the most part your friend and will protect you from many different situations. I always try to give them something and be nice to them for they don't make much money either and most of them are hungry just like everybody else in the DR.

It is a good thing for each person who goes to the DR to make themselves aware of which men are the police and which who are not.[/QUOTE]44.

Many of the police look as raunchy as the ordinary Dominican. Many don't wear uniforms.

[QUOTE=Mongerman69; 1471041]I know I keep plugging this one, but I`m that impressed with my purchase.

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The second one is my next buy. Attaches to your hotel safe to bypass their lock. Extra security.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post.

Sounds like you are serious about your keeping your money

The next day we left late heading to Sosua. I realize my mistake and heading to Sosua from SDQ. Coming from the airport headed toward SD, after you pass through the toll; if you miss your first immediate right getting on marginal las Americas from the highway; you can still get on it by staying in your far left lane and take the immediate exit of the left. Go under the bridge but be careful you can very easily get on the wrong side of the road and make that left on marginal las americas go of a quarter of a mile and make a right on autopista juan pablo follow that road heading towards the north Coast. The road only gets a little tricky in Nagua which is also you're halfway point. Be careful when driving to North Coast during night. The water makes the area very foggy and the roads are small at times. It normally takes me about an 1:15 to 1:45 hours to get from Nagua to Sosua, however with the thick fog at night it took about 2 hours and 15 minutes. At times I couldn't tell if I was on the road. Dangerous!

We arrived in Sosua about 930. Saturday night. Checked into casa Angela 2. Took my old room on the bottom floor. Got the other 3 guys settled in the top floor. I must admit the top floor has better rooms. The owner asked if we will be needing his driver. Maybe if we were at his other hotel we would. As I said before, His other hotel for Angela one is further away from the strip much nicer and discreet. It runs about $55 a night. Casa Angela one is totally worth it if you were in school more than 3 days with a group of 4 or better. The rooms at Casa Angela to are near the strip and basic. No one room is the same. If you go there check what's available and pick what suits your needs. My room offer to 2 beds on the bottom floor safe and quick access. My homeboy Street room has a Big balcony and kichette. G room came with his own refrigerator. Justice (whom replaced Fresh) room was nice and newer items and his own flat streen TV. Both the Casas have wifi living room for entertainment.

Hit the strip about 12 o'clock. I made the guys promised me they won't pick until after 4. This was cool for Justice street and almost upset it T. However this is Justice and Street first time in Sosua and they roll love to flirt. Sosua did not disappoint anyone. Spanish and Haitian women of all sizes and flavors. 2000 pesos was the average price given. Street felt like King of Sosua. The many young chicas making it known to him that they were very interested in doing business. T was getting upset with me because of my no picking until after 4 o'clock rule. We have been knowing each other since high school and he has a history of a quick bad decisions. He came to me and said even the chicas were complaining to them why are they listening to me."Is he your daddy". I reminded him they were hoes and just give me this one night. I also reminded him I couldn't stop him if he wanted to take a chica back to the room. About 5 o'clock, we've all made our decision. I had already pre-committed to 4 chicas prior to me coming. (they were seeking novia status) Justice had his normal slender asian Dominican goddess. Street decided that he was going to go two chicas at the same time. I told him to make them tongue kiss in front of us before he talked to them. Then I stepped in and got them off that 5000 pesos crap to 3000 pesos for both. The chica did not appreciate me coming into their negotiating and she was rushing me to leave the room. I told her if she didn't like it she can get the fuck on. I got the money and I was playing them when they finish. Street doesn't have money. I look in her eyes and say to Street you are going to have problems with that one.

6.05 in the morning. I'll get a knocked at my door it's Street. Apparently the girl is complaining that she did her job however Street saying don't pay her. Street was saying to her no leche. During the performance Street asked one of the girls to wait on the balcony which finished up with her friend. She who initiated the deal to bring her friend in got upset because he dismissed her after she did some good punta licking and dealt solely with the other friend, who wasn't even supposed to be there had she not brought her in. She complained he ready leche with my friend we are done give me my money. Street was like I hadn't leche with you. Come and finished the job and get paid. They were deadlock and now streaming. (boy they needed a contract). She refuse to continue and he refused to pay her. She broke a glass on the floor and picked up a vase and threaten to throw it against the floor yelling "DO You want problems! Her friend also joined in saying Street already leche and if he didn't pay it all they were calling the police. T's chica came down joined in on their side. Apparently she was upset because he didn't live up to his long lasting expectations. T ass didn't even come down. She even offered to finish the job. Even that didn't sit well with Miss You Want Problems. It was really getting out of hand. All of a sudden the owner came out of his room. He look at the glass on the floor and ask what happened. He was very calm and his composure didn't change. After listening to the whole ordeal, this guy took the shoes on his feet, gave them to me and ask me to return to my room. I gave him 3000 pesos. He then motion to Street to return to his room. Something about his demeanor let me know that the situation was going to be handled. I went back to sleep for 10 minutes until my chica woke me up to some good ass head. (trying hard for novia status) Come to find out; the owner told the girls this. One of you are going up there to finish the job, come down and get this money. Mlss Problems protested- no he doesn't want me he likes my friend. He called Street down and asked who does he want to finish with. Street pointed at Miss You Want Problems. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that one. They received the money and street gave her friend who offered to finish the job a 500 pesos tip. That was his way of saying "I'm gangster it ain't about the money!"

Having a 3some with girls you do not know is almost always a waste. It seems like a good idea at the time. IF you find a girl who says she is into girls let her set things up but make sure you have relationship with the chica.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1488719]The next day we left late heading to Sosua. I realize my mistake and heading to Sosua from SDQ. Coming from the airport headed toward SD, after you pass through the toll; if you miss your first immediate right getting on marginal las Americas from the highway; you can still get on it by staying in your far left lane and take the immediate exit of the left. Go under the bridge but be careful you can very easily get on the wrong side of the road and make that left on marginal las americas go of a quarter of a mile and make a right on autopista juan pablo follow that road heading towards the north Coast. The road only gets a little tricky in Nagua which is also you're halfway point. Be careful when

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1485910]Does anyone know a safe area / neighborhood where one can park their vehicle without worrying about it being towed away, alternate side of the street, or other parking offenses? I tend to fly out of JFK airport, and have been using long term parking facilities for my vehicle. A 2 week trip away, the parking cost can be over $200. If I found a safe, legal parking spot in a neighborhood. I could save that money to use for something else.[/QUOTE]Kinda risky but you could Park off Guy R Brewer and take the Q3 to the airport. Free parking. Of if you want you could pay me a few dollars and I'll let you park the car at my spot and I'll drop youu to the airport.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1488521]Ok so I'm going to try out CMP in a few days. Is it like Passions where the girls all come in at 4pm? What's the best time to come through?[/QUOTE]Look for Eva if you go there. I had the most wonderful GFE with her for almost two days. She did everything right and I don't just mean sex. Real class act!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1487963]Most girls I have dealt with would not smoke anything. Weed is viewed by them as a hard drug or more like cocaine. Most of my Haitian girls enjoyed weed but their culture is very different. I was surprised by this but it has been confirmed over long period of time. When you find a DR girl who smokes look out. Real good chance she is very hard core.[/QUOTE]I met a cool Dominican girl in the bar on the corner, the one run by Thomas. Whats the name of it, anyone? Anyways, she told me that her cousin sold it and would get me some and pay her if I liked it. So it is obtainable. Damn, now that I'm home, I wish I'd have fucked that one to, jajajaj

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1488719]Hit the strip about 12 o'clock. I made the guys promised me they won't pick until after 4. This was cool for Justice street and almost upset it T.[/QUOTE]Why take such an oath? At that hour you guys are just picking up sloppy seconds (and thirds). They've already been bounced around 3 or 4 times by 4am. The other flip side to this is that the ones still milling around at 4am are the ones nobody wants!

Most guys like myself hit the scene early and if I spot a very nice one, I'm locking her down all night.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1488719]
6.05 in the morning. I'll get a knocked at my door it's Street. Apparently the girl is complaining that she did her job however Street saying don't pay her. Street was saying to her no leche. During the performance Street asked one of the girls to wait on the balcony which finished up with her friend. She who initiated the deal to bring her friend in got upset because he dismissed her after she did some good punta licking and dealt solely with the other friend, who wasn't even supposed to be there had she not brought her in. She complained he ready leche with my friend we are done give me my money. Street was like I hadn't leche with you. Come and finished the job and get paid. They were deadlock and now streaming. (boy they needed a contract). She refuse to continue and he refused to pay her. She broke a glass on the floor and picked up a vase and threaten to throw it against the floor yelling "DO You want problems! Her friend also joined in saying Street already leche and if he didn't pay it all [b]they were calling the police[/b]. T's chica came down joined in on their side. Apparently she was upset because he didn't live up to his long lasting expectations. T ass didn't even come down. She even offered to finish the job. Even that didn't sit well with Miss You Want Problems. It was really getting out of hand. All of a sudden the owner came out of his room. He look at the glass on the floor and ask what happened. He was very calm and his composure didn't change. After listening to the whole ordeal, this guy took the shoes on his feet, gave them to me and ask me to return to my room. I gave him 3000 pesos. He then motion to Street to return to his room. Something about his demeanor let me know that the situation was going to be handled.[/QUOTE]

I applaud you for wanting to show some newbies the ropes, but man, your homies are going to get yall asses locked up, lol! You should have started these dudes out with the training wheels on: at either Blackbeards or Field of Dreams.

This is why I do not roll in large groups or with guys that haven't been around the (Sosua) block a few times. The best wingman you can have is someone who has time in the game and doesn't need their hand held the entire trip.

[QUOTE=Ready Ru;1488975]Look for Eva if you go there. I had the most wonderful GFE with her for almost two days. She did everything right and I don't just mean sex. Real class act![/QUOTE]Is this the infamous Haitian with the weave and fake tits that was recently reported on by some dude that was at Casa Cayena and also paraded around by Cuba Dave?

I was just discussing the with another Vet behind the scenes. It's funny how the game had changed in a matter of just a few years. You now have chicas threatening to call the cops on YOU! It used to be the other way around, LOL!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1488979]Why take such an oath? At that hour you guys are just picking up sloppy seconds (and thirds). They've already been bounced around 3 or 4 times by 4am. The other flip side to this is that the ones still milling around at 4am are the ones nobody wants![/QUOTE]For the most part, I agree with SP here. 4am might also not be a good time if you get caught with one that turns out to be wack when you get back to the hotel. Sure you can hit After 1, but you might just call it a night if you already been hanging out all night, especially if it was a long travel day. A lot of dudes have told me they like to get that "nuisance nut" fairly quickly and then take their time.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1488988]It's funny how the game had changed in a matter of just a few years. You now have chicas threatening to call the cops on YOU! It used to be the other way around, LOL![/QUOTE]I remember when the Politur was actually there to protect the tourists and the environment was as you described it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1488988]I was just discussing the with another Vet behind the scenes. It's funny how the game had changed in a matter of just a few years. You now have chicas threatening to call the cops on YOU! It used to be the other way around, LOL![/QUOTE]Just wait until the cruise ship patrons start arriving LOL.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1488979]Why take such an oath? At that hour you guys are just picking up sloppy seconds (and thirds). They've already been bounced around 3 or 4 times by 4am. The other flip side to this is that the ones still milling around at 4am are the ones nobody wants!

Most guys like myself hit the scene early and if I spot a very nice one, I'm locking her down all night.

You are right about that the chica been bounce around a that time! We were already late to the scene at 12. I wanted them to get drunk, flirt, and enjoy the grown and sexy scene the first night. Tomorrow its all day jab, stick, and move. Had we got were earlier we were suppose to get an afternoon treat, but we did a lot of last minute fucking and running around. No early turn in on the first night in Sosua. I let them sleep on me the whole ride there. WE all had sex before we left BC that afternoon. T laid back on the couch in the VIP section s if he was sleeping or mad. I knew I wouldn't stop him if he really wanted to go. After he got his nut that night, he didn't come down stairs and walk he chica out or see why we were arguing. I said he was tired! Oh yeah we agreed on a No cuffing, hanging out with or locking yourself down with one chica all night oath in Sosua- unless your are taking her ass straight to the room. No breakfast in the morning, taking to lunch, buying excessive drinks, or hanging out with our group! If your want to play Novia invite her to the Capital on Wednesday or Thursday away from the Sosua scene and cuff into your hands fall off. I know this sound crazy but we are going through trial and errors.

I applaud you for wanting to show some newbies the ropes, but man, your homies are going to get yall asses locked up, LOL! You should have started these dudes out with the training wheels on: at either Blackbeards or Field of Dreams.

This is why I do not roll in large groups or with guys that haven't been around the (Sosua) block a few times. The best wingman you can have is someone who has time in the game and doesn't need their hand held the entire trip.[/QUOTE]I feel you on that. T has been to Sosua twice and was the other to guys first time, but Justice has been doing the DR for over a year. I know his style and we hangout together all the time in BC avoiding our novias, flirting and fucking chicas in between. I know my rulings were killing T, but he has a history of just thinking with his dick. He has a history of saying "Man yall should have stopped me". I apologized to them in SD for sounding bossy in Sosua, but if something were to had happen bad, though T is Street's older cousin; Street works with me! The guys at work would have been like" its Grownmans" fault! He took little Street over there and didn't lookout for the little homey. Abr Mainline and I are suppose to be hanging in DR for the New Year. I am looking forward to have a wingman that knows his game.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1488989]For the most part, I agree with SP here. 4am might also not be a good time if you get caught with one that turns out to be wack when you get back to the hotel. Sure you can hit After 1, but you might just call it a night if you already been hanging out all night, especially if it was a long travel day. A lot of dudes have told me they like to get that "nuisance nut" fairly quickly and then take their time.[/QUOTE]So true!

I like to get tha nuisance nut out of my system, but at 12 am some of the same chicas that were in the clubs are going to be out after 4 am at After 1. There is no need for a rush now! She has either already fucked, made some money & looking for more or hasn't made nothing and its time to make a deal on a buyers market!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1488719]All of a sudden the owner came out of his room. He look at the glass on the floor and ask what happened. He was very calm and his composure didn't change. After listening to the whole ordeal, this guy took the shoes on his feet, gave them to me and ask me to return to my room. I gave him 3000 pesos. He then motion to Street to return to his room. Something about his demeanor let me know that the situation was going to be handled. I went back to sleep for 10 minutes until my chica woke me up to some good ass head. (trying hard for novia status) Come to find out; the owner told the girls this. One of you are going up there to finish the job, come down and get this money. Mlss Problems protested- no he doesn't want me he likes my friend. He called Street down and asked who does he want to finish with. Street pointed at Miss You Want Problems. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that one. They received the money and street gave her friend who offered to finish the job a 500 pesos tip. That was his way of saying "I'm gangster it ain't about the money!"[/QUOTE]I thought for sure you were going to say "The owner took off his shoes and calmly told the girls that they would not be paid or allowed to leave, until every piece of glass was picked up from his floor!"

[QUOTE=Bravo;1489110]I thought for sure you were going to say "The owner took off his shoes and calmly told the girls that they would not be paid or allowed to leave, until every piece of glass was picked up from his floor!"[/QUOTE]He took them off and gave them to me so when I walked back across the floor I didn't get any glass on my feet!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1488987]Is this the infamous Haitian with the weave and fake tits that was recently reported on by some dude that was at Casa Cayena and also paraded around by Cuba Dave?[/QUOTE]Yea, body as hard as a rock and personality as sweet as sugar. A real sweetheart!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1489060]I feel you on that. T has been to Sosua twice and was the other to guys first time, but Justice has been doing the DR for over a year. I know his style and we hangout together all the time in BC avoiding our novias, flirting and fucking chicas in between. I know my rulings were killing T, but he has a history of just thinking with his dick. He has a history of saying "Man yall should have stopped me". I apologized to them in SD for sounding bossy in Sosua, but if something were to had happen bad, though T is Street's older cousin; Street works with me! The guys at work would have been like" its Grownmans" fault! He took little Street over there and didn't lookout for the little homey. Abr Mainline and I are suppose to be hanging in DR for the New Year. I am looking forward to have a wingman that knows his game.[/QUOTE]Man seems like you are having a good time and getting around DR very well. And yes I will be hanging in the DR for New Year's.

Great reports and thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1488719]. I told him to make them tongue kiss in front of us before he talked to them.

I fucking love it man.

Good thing to make happen before the deal was even started.

Some time ago I mentioned here a girl I met in Sosua who claimed she had just turned 19 in July who claimed to be still a virgin and said that she wanted $2000 US dollars for her virginity. I was somewhat dubious about this, (though other girls confirmed the apparent truth of this tale) and had not seen her since, but just today I ran into her in the street and she hailed me and told me that she had some good news to share with me. I asked her if she had got the $2000 dollars for her virginity, and she said no, but the good news was that she was no longer a "senorita" (virgin) and that she was open for business. She was still small, she said, and I would be only her second invitee.

I agreed to meet her a bit later and she showed up on a motoconcho. I said to her that before went to a room I needed to see some kind of ID to prove her age, even though she had turned 19 in July, because she is kind of young looking, though plausibly 19. After a bit of ho-ing and hum-ing she produced a school enrolment paper that showed that she was born in November 1995, which means that she is not quite barely legal. I told her I might get back with her later in the month. She said that she had been to a number of hotels and cabanas which she named with several guys and had not had any problem. I said that was not quite the point as far as I was concerned, and that I would maybe give her a call in a few weeks (I have her number.) In any case at this point the newness of her virginity no longer seemed like an attraction and since she has birthdays at least twice a year, her general level of veracity is questionable, and she will probably be past her sell date in a month from now. I also got the impression that her motoconcho guy was her pimp as he seemed a bit overinvolved.

Moral of the story: 1) Trust but verify. 2) Read the fine print.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1489560]but the good news was that she was no longer a "senorita" (virgin) and that she was open for business. She was still small, she said, and [b]I would be only her second invitee[/b].

I told her I might get back with her later in the month. [b]She said that she had been to a number of hotels and cabanas which she named with several guys and had not had any problem. [/b][/QUOTE]How did she manage to fuck that story up? She tells you that you'd be the second guy every to hit that, but she's been to a number of hotels and cabanas with several different guys. A job in politics could be in her future, LOL.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1489560](though other girls confirmed the apparent truth of this tale)[/QUOTE]Always the gold standard for truth, getting the other girls to verify something. You can't go wrong with this strategy, especially on financial matters.

Sitting around and watching her friends. She probably soon figured out the math. 40*50 = $2,000. And she was able to name many of the hotels and cabanas. Of course, that is if she was indeed a virgin when CP first met her?

One question: How in the world can we visitors tell if a cedula is a fake one, or someone else's, but the picture looks just like the chica! Even the guys at US airports and passport guys sometimes have a very, very diffcult time with the photos vs. The live person in front of them, with direct spot light shining on the passport photo! Seriously, this is diffcult to figure out! And, of course they too have been known to get taken by forged or fake passports.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1489566]How did she manage to fuck that story up? She tells you that you'd be the second guy every to hit that, but she's been to a number of hotels and cabanas with several different guys. A job in politics could be in her future, LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haven123; 1489571]Sitting around and watching her friends. She probably soon figured out the math. 40*50 = $2, 000. And she was able to name many of the hotels and cabanas. Of course, that is if she was indeed a virgin when CP first met her?

One question: How in the world can we visitors tell if a cedula is a fake one, or someone else's, but the picture looks just like the chica! Even the guys at US airports and passport guys sometimes have a very, very diffcult time with the photos vs. The live person in front of them, with direct spot light shining on the passport photo! Seriously, this is diffcult to figure out! And, of course they too have been known to get taken by forged or fake passports.[/QUOTE]No they don't know multiplication. No elaborate fakes or forgeries either. Here is what might help, as cedula contains exact date of birth, place of birth, place of current residency, profession, year of issue. Ask her first those details, then see the cedula (I do suggest carrying a magnifying glass if necessary) and make the calculation of her real age (crucial for all cases) Example, if she was born in 1995 but the issue date of the cedula is 2008 it is obviously a fake or was lost by someone long time ago. Scratched photo. Same same, it does not belong to her. Most likely details of her story and name on the cedula won't match, meaning a real cedula belonging to someone else. No mobile phone number is also a hint in many cases. This being said it does not apply to Haitian I'd's, only passports may be trusted.

What is the approximate cost of a cell phone for just phone calls and texting? Something with a full screen and a pop up virtual keyboard. I do not need the internet on the phone!

Just the basic stuff! And the best place to buy it, with a good variety of phone selection options?

Thanks a bunch!

Asking a name won't help. 98/100 Dominicanas go by a nickname that has nothing to do with their real name. My girlfriend, for instance, goes by Yajaira and there is not anything close to that in her real name.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1489571]How in the world can we visitors tell if a cedula is a fake one, or someone else's, but the picture looks just like the chica![/QUOTE]If the picture looks like the chica it is probably a fake, because I have never been able to recognize a chica from her (genuine) cedula picture.

Besides all the banging of the chicas to be done in Sosua, what about kayak rentals. Last time I was in Sosua about 4 years ago I don't recall seeing anyone renting them along the beach. Also, any recommendations of good places to snorkel from the beach versus from a boat would be helpful.

Any information would be appreciated as I need something to do in the daytime during downtime between the chicas!

Thanks

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1489801]Besides all the banging of the chicas to be done in Sosua, what about kayak rentals. Last time I was in Sosua about 4 years ago I don't recall seeing anyone renting them along the beach. Also, any recommendations of good places to snorkel from the beach versus from a boat would be helpful.

Any information would be appreciated as I need something to do in the daytime during downtime between the chicas!

Thanks[/QUOTE]There are a few rental places as soon as you enter the beach area, but I did not notice any kayaks. But then again, I wasn't looking for kayaks; I get distracted easily.

If you walk down the beach to Herman's Siempre Sol, there is a small reef about 100 yards out; some snorkel there. And you can rent the gear.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1489801]Also, any recommendations of good places to snorkel from the beach versus from a boat would be helpful.[/QUOTE]Save your money dude. I don't think it is worth it to pay for snorkeling in Sosua Bay. It's like a desert down under the water. They have tried to start artificial reefs, but the sealife isn't taking to it. I can send you some pictures from diving if you would like and you can judge for yourself.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1489931]I don't think it is worth it to pay for snorkeling in Sosua Bay.[/QUOTE]Went snorkelling in August. The fish life was pretty sparse and unremarkable, and this was with very good visibility. The scuba divers did see a large moray eel though.

Sunday 29 Sosua.

Nothing new to report that hasn't already been discussed. It was pretty much dead in the afternoon. After we ate lunch; we realize at the beach they were having some sort of cook off. People from all over we're selling dinners with their family recipes. There were a large range of good of Dominican food. There were a lot of nice looking chicas there, however it been family orientated you couldn't get much action. In my opinion the beach area in Sosua is lame. Very little to no head turners. Believe it or not but she BC is a lot more live on Sundays with more action. It didn't help matters none that it rained its ass off. It calmed down by the evening and the chicas started coming out. We did go to CMP to kill time. I seen the sexy Eve walking around looking like a tall dark Goddess. She was playing the bunny role and doing a good job. I can deal with the weave but not the fake breast! Everyone got an evening treat no problems. We were jabbing and weaving all night Sunday. You can see the construction they were doing on both clubs, trying to close the area off. Even once the walls are built, you can tell that the mongering will continue. The chica in the pink shorts is a winner. 22yrs no kids and a squirter.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1489758]If the picture looks like the chica it is probably a fake, because I have never been able to recognize a chica from her (genuine) cedula picture.[/QUOTE]I agree most chica's don't look like there I'd picture.

Headed to Sosua in the next 10 days! A couple of questions for a newbie please!

1. How big is the Casa Cayena safe? Can it hold a laptop and other stuff?

2. At Casa Cayena and at BB, if I pay at check-in for the full stay in USD cash, will I still have to pay any tax?

3. For a newbie, what would guys recommend as the best places and best approach to find new chicas that are GFE, as opposed to the hard core pros? How much should I pay?

4. Safety issues at Casa Cayena with chicas: what should I watch out for? Do the Casa Cayena people make a copy of their cedulas and keep it, and will the security check the docs?

Any other tips or suggestions would also be hugely appreciated! Thanks in advance!

I will post a detailed report after my trip!

Over and over I see guys posting on ISG asking if their laptop will fit into a safe. I have been around the world and have never seen a hotel safe big enough to fit a laptop into it. Even the Senty I have in my house will not fit my laptop, a netbook yes. But fear not. There is not a rash of people going into hotel rooms and stealing laptops. Where ever I go I always leave mine out on the desk and plugged in so that my downloads can complete. I may lock the desktop, but have never found a reason to hide or put my computer under lock and key.

Sorry for the question then. And thanks! I have had one big theft in Rome at the Intercontinental no less! With familY! Stole a whole bunch of stuff from about 15 rooms, per the hotel! Believe it not (it took about 4 months) , but their insurance company actually paid up, a few grand for my stuff alone!

And, in Helsinki, many years ago, during the iron curtain days, at the Sheraton, my briefcase was stolen. They took the US passport and threw my briefcase in the lake. The cops found the briefcase, sans the passport, and sent it to me in the USA, many weeks later. Took me about 3 days to get a new passport at the US Embasssy in Finland.

I have spent about 50% of my business days, traveling for work, for about 20 years, so I have seen a lot, even at the best of hotels, and in first world countries. Other than Japan, Sing, Switz, and Germany (maybe) , very few places in the world are 99% trouble-free. It's all in the stats! My thinking was that in the DR, a very large % just cannot afford a laptop, so I thought it might be an issue. Thanks for making me feel better! BTW, I spent a few months in Brazil and Peru earlier this year, and the places were quite free.

Except in Fortaleza, a chica in the disco, was DFKing me and taking swigs of the her drink and shooting it into my mouth, on the disco floor! I think she drugged me and got away with about $200, in my apt, when I came to! First time for me! Never knew that trick!

And in Curitiba, once, around midnight, I got stopped by teens at night at night, near the Bourbon Hotel. They put their hands in my pockets and got about R$ 150, were freaking happy, and ran the hell way! Leaving my heart pounding! As I said, its in the stats! I have been to Brazil maybe 35 times, over the decades, between work (mostly) , and pleasure!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1490051]Over and over I see guys posting on ISG asking if their laptop will fit into a safe. I have been around the world and have never seen a hotel safe big enough to fit a laptop into it. Even the Senty I have in my house will not fit my laptop, a netbook yes. But fear not. There is not a rash of people going into hotel rooms and stealing laptops. Where ever I go I always leave mine out on the desk and plugged in so that my downloads can complete. I may lock the desktop, but have never found a reason to hide or put my computer under lock and key.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1490051]Over and over I see guys posting on ISG asking if their laptop will fit into a safe. I have been around the world and have never seen a hotel safe big enough to fit a laptop into it. Even the Senty I have in my house will not fit my laptop, a netbook yes. But fear not. There is not a rash of people going into hotel rooms and stealing laptops. Where ever I go I always leave mine out on the desk and plugged in so that my downloads can complete. I may lock the desktop, but have never found a reason to hide or put my computer under lock and key.[/QUOTE]My white macbook fits into New Gardens and every other hotel I have been to. I also have a Samsung chrome book that is smaller than my macbook that I now travel with that fits everywhere. Don't know if its a good idea to have so much trust to leave a big laptop sitting out. I got clipped by a chica in 2009 for my Galaxy phone while she was giving me a blowjob on the beach at Boca chica and it was hell changing all my accounts. From facebook to ISG, the passwords had to be reset. Plus most laptops can't be traced unless you have some kind of security devices on them. My advise would be to hide your laptop between the mattresses and have a lock password.

Damn Haven, you must have a target painted on you. I used to live in Rio and would stay a lot over my girlfriend's house in City of God and have never had anything happen to me. I think the only thing I have ever had stolen in my travels was my first time in Cali, Colombia. Somebody with a key (it had a deadbolt and a lock on the doorknob) went into my aparthotel room and stole my SD cards (back when thy were $75 / pop) and a hat. They went into my wingman's and stole his jacket. We did call the police and I never went back to stay at that stinking place again.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1490042]Headed to Sosua in the next 10 days! A couple of questions for a newbie please![/QUOTE]I've only stayed there twice, but I will stay there in all future trips.

1. How big is the Casa Cayena safe? Can it hold a laptop and other stuff?

Other stuff, but not a 17" laptop. I kept mine on the desk the last two trips; no issues.

2. At Casa Cayena and at BB, if I pay at check-in for the full stay in USD cash, will I still have to pay any tax?

Pay cash at the ISG group rate when you arrive at CC. Never been to BB, never had the desire to go there.

3. For a newbie, what would guys recommend as the best places and best approach to find new chicas that are GFE, as opposed to the hard core pros? How much should I pay?

Sosua is a mix and match of hard core and new girls getting their feet wet. What to pay? I never ask and pay what I thought the service was worth. Others will chime in on this topic for sure.

4. Safety issues at Casa Cayena with chicas: what should I watch out for? Do the Casa Cayena people make a copy of their cedulas and keep it, and will the security check the docs?

CC will keep their IDs while the girl is at the hotel, night security guard will do the same. I don't think they make copies of the I'd.

What to watch out for? If her attitude changes in the room, send her packing!

Dude,

Pay your dues so your can receive and send PMs. I might be in Sosua the same time frame; might.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1490064]And, in Helsinki, many years ago, during the iron curtain days .[/QUOTE]Strange comment. WTF does the Iron Curtain have to do with it? Finland has never been a communist country. Always one of the most consistently democratic and law-abiding nations in the world.

You will offend one of our new posters with that sort of careless talk.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1490200]Strange comment. WTF does the Iron Curtain have to do with it? Finland has never been a communist country. Always one of the most consistently democratic and law-abiding nations in the world.

You will offend one of our new posters with that sort of careless talk.[/QUOTE]Well, at that time, in the 80's, there were many Russian mobs operating there looking for western passports. At least, that's what the cops in Helsinki told me at the police station. Finland, as you may know, in those days, was quite different via a vis the Russian connection, compared to Sweden, Norway or even Iceland. Yes, I have visited and done business in all of those countries and most of the European countries many times. And have been to all major European cities lots and lost of times. I'm an internationalist, very attuned to politics and business and cultural issues in all these courtries. Have logged mote than 5 million frequent flyer miles. Worked in both airline industry and then mostly in consumer financial services. Managed a large global business with a very sizeable marketing budget which necessitated detailed analysis of the demographic, psychographic and other related data. May not seem it, but I have seen how things have changed since the 80's, as I am sure you have too!

Thanks, interesting reply, and I accept your very tactful put-down humbly but if they were plagued by Russian criminals then it must be a lot worse now the mafias have a free hand and with minimal border control.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1490051]Over and over I see guys posting on ISG asking if their laptop will fit into a safe. I have been around the world and have never seen a hotel safe big enough to fit a laptop into it. Even the Senty I have in my house will not fit my laptop, a netbook yes. But fear not. There is not a rash of people going into hotel rooms and stealing laptops. Where ever I go I always leave mine out on the desk and plugged in so that my downloads can complete. I may lock the desktop, but have never found a reason to hide or put my computer under lock and key.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at a number of chain and non chain hotels like LeMeridien, Movenpick and various others around Africa and Asia where I was able to put my 17 inch laptop inside the safe (you have to angle it in diagonally). These safes are generally black in color whereas the smaller ones are tan in color. I always drop back by my room at abnormal time if I am staying someplace for more than just a few days.

My laptop is my livelihood so I never just leave it out unattended. But that aside, I think it high time I get my tail to DR.

Anyone hitting the Jazz Festival this year? Been getting a lot of emails and texts about it. I think it starts tomorrow. I thought about going but opted for Colombia instead.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1490389]Anyone hitting the Jazz Festival this year? Been getting a lot of emails and texts about it. I think it starts tomorrow. I thought about going but opted for Colombia instead.[/QUOTE]The Gogo forum is reporting live from the Jazz Festival starting tomorrow with yours truly. A few guys from this board are also attending but I will let them report their own version. Also my Uncles went last week and bragged about a couple new spots that I will personally check out. My Uncles swore me to secrecy but I know you guys won't tell anyone LOL.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1490411]The Gogo forum is reporting live from the Jazz Festival starting tomorrow with yours truly. A few guys from this board are also attending but I will let them report their own version. Also my Uncles went last week and bragged about a couple new spots that I will personally check out. My Uncles swore me to secrecy but I know you guys won't tell anyone LOL.[/QUOTE]On my way down tomorrow the 31st. Staying at Casa Linda. Will probably be hanging out at Big Ds on Friday afternoon if hes in town.

I placed an ad on Craigslist in the DR in Spanish along with my photo that reads "Looking for a friend / guide that is thin in Sosua for a week" and received an E-Mail from a 26 year old lady. I then spoke with her on the phone and she told me she lived in Santo Domingo. I had a hard time understanding her Spanish and we exchanged E-mails. She told me she couldn't really travel to Sosua but knows four girls that live in the Puerto Plata area that would stay with me for $ 5,000 DR Pesos for a 24 hour period. She sent the photos of the girls that looked to be in their twenties to me and they where all attractive, not black but caramel color skin, and thin like I asked for. She also reconfirmed the pricing for these chicas. Wondering if any one has experience with something like this, and does $ 5,000 DR Pesos seem reasonable. I told her that I would have to try the girls out to see if their was any chemistry of course and am tempted to try one or two of these girls out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1490766]I placed an ad on Craigslist in the DR in Spanish along with my photo that reads "Looking for a friend / guide that is thin in Sosua for a week" and received an E-Mail from a 26 year old lady. I then spoke with her on the phone and she told me she lived in Santo Domingo. I had a hard time understanding her Spanish and we exchanged E-mails. She told me she couldn't really travel to Sosua but knows four girls that live in the Puerto Plata area that would stay with me for $ 5,000 DR Pesos for a 24 hour period. She sent the photos of the girls that looked to be in their twenties to me and they where all attractive, not black but caramel color skin, and thin like I asked for. She also reconfirmed the pricing for these chicas. Wondering if any one has experience with something like this, and does $ 5,000 DR Pesos seem reasonable. I told her that I would have to try the girls out to see if their was any chemistry of course and am tempted to try one or two of these girls out.[/QUOTE]

Is there any reason why you couldn't have used Dominican Cupid, Badoo, or Tagged. Com to set up your own connections instead of purposely allowing yourself to get gouged for 5000 pesos?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1490779]Is there any reason why you couldn't have used Dominican Cupid, Badoo, or Tagged. Com to set up your own connections instead of purposely allowing yourself to get gouged for 5000 pesos?[/QUOTE]Just signed up for Dominican Cupid and the E-mails are coming in, however not a lot of girls from the Puerto Plata area have responded as of yet. I don't think 5,000 pesos for 24 hours is really so much for 24 hours when the TLN rate on the street is 3,000 Pesos. Of course everything would have to be off the charts to wife up with one chica. Will try Badoo and Tagged which I have never heard of. If I end up paying a 1,000 pesos for a day more than I should, well I can easily afford the $25.

And let me guess who told you the TLN rate on the street was: a chica you were trying to pick up off the street for TLN.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1490788]Just signed up for Dominican Cupid and the E-mails are coming in, however not a lot of girls from the Puerto Plata area have responded as of yet. I don't think 5,000 pesos for 24 hours is really so much for 24 hours when the TLN rate on the street is 3,000 Pesos. Of course everything would have to be off the charts to wife up with one chica. Will try Badoo and Tagged which I have never heard of. If I end up paying a 1,000 pesos for a day more than I should, well I can easily afford the $ 25.[/QUOTE]I say an even swap ain't no swindle. If you are thinking is a good deal cool, however, I think 5000 pesos is a lot of up front money. This can go wrong in so many ways. What if you guys get along and you pay her, then you find out the sex is bad. Not only is that 5000 pesos wasted, but now you got to feed her and she will be hungry, or you throw in the towel- cut your time and losts. Have you told the chica what all you want to do with her. It sounds like you are paying for her time and not sex. However, you may get a winner! I think if you go to Sosua you will meet the girl you want that will give a better deal! You can keep the Cupid chica for back up.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1490813]And let me guess who told you the TLN rate on the street was: a chica you were trying to pick up off the street for TLN.[/QUOTE]About every report on this board over the past three months has been saying that the majority of the finer nicer looking chicas will go for 3,000 TLN even though they may ask for more initially. I haven't been to Sosua in a few years but am aware that the fat, ugly, and some of the Haitains will go for less. I'm not going to fret over 1,000 pesos or $ 25 over a chica for a day, however I won't pay over the market rate either. That's why I solicited other members input as to what they thought and your response was I was being gouged and might of relied on a chica from the street for my information. If I lived in the DR I wouldn't even bother with the girls on the streets, however when you travel 3,000 miles and only have a week, you don't have the luxury of a lot of time so I want to have as many options lined up in advance as possible. I think several other members on this board would concur with me.

This is ridiculous. The North Coast is awash with chicas. Come down, meet them in person, spend at least a few hours with one before committing to a longer stretch. If you are a typical newbie:

1 out of 10 will be disaster, will give as little service as possible and will want money in advance, maybe some sort of con-woman or, at worst, thief. Unpleasant experience. Get rid as cheaply as you can and put it down to experience. The more trips you make the better you will learn to spot these bad apples but you cannot spot them "online".

4 out of 10 will be routine fucks. Nothing memorable and you will be done with her after you have busted a nut. Get rid for 1000 to 1500 pesos.

4 out of 10 will be enjoyable sex and company. You might go on to spend a day or a night with her, but you will be ready to try someone new after that. You might want to see her again so take her number. 3000 peso plus meals.

1 out of 10 will the sort who make newbies fall in love with them. Excellent at her job and well worth the 5000 a day you will spend in cash, gifts and meals.

Note that the chance of your meeting this sort of chica is 1 in 10 at best. 1 in a 100 for anyone you meet on Cupid, Badoo, etc, and 1 in a 1000 for anyone you meet through Craigslist.

You cannot beat meeting in person and making a gradual assessment. Could still go wrong but it improves your chances a lot.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1490788]If I end up paying a 1,000 pesos for a day more than I should, well I can easily afford the $ 25.[/QUOTE]Don't come down starting off with the attitude that you are willing to be played for a sucker. ("Pendejo" is the local word). As a newbie you will be overcharged and you will be (hopefully mildly) conned. No shame in that, we all go through it. But if you start off defeatist you will be overcharged far more and could be a mark for a more serious con.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1490968]Don't come down starting off with the attitude that you are willing to be played for a sucker. ("Pendejo" is the local word). As a newbie you will be overcharged and you will be (hopefully mildly) conned. No shame in that, we all go through it. But if you start off defeatist you will be overcharged far more and could be a mark for a more serious con.[/QUOTE]Pooter is right one! It also messes it up for everyone else. There is a reason why the standard rates are what they are. Just like everything else supply and demand.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1490838]I say an even swap ain't no swindle. If you are thinking is a good deal cool, however, I think 5000 pesos is a lot of up front money. This can go wrong in so many ways. What if you guys get along and you pay her, then you find out the sex is bad. Not only is that 5000 pesos wasted, but now you got to feed her and she will be hungry, or you throw in the towel- cut your time and losts. Have you told the chica what all you want to do with her. It sounds like you are paying for her time and not sex. However, you may get a winner! I think if you go to Sosua you will meet the girl you want that will give a better deal! You can keep the Cupid chica for back up.[/QUOTE]Yo pago despues siempre, I always pay afterwards but also always will tell the girl that after two hours if she wants to leave or I want her to leave she will get a short time amount so I don't get stuck with her.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1490964]This is ridiculous. The North Coast is awash with chicas. Come down, meet them in person, spend at least a few hours with one before committing to a longer stretch. If you are a typical newbie:

1 out of 10 will be disaster, will give as little service as possible and will want money in advance, maybe some sort of con-woman or, at worst, thief. Unpleasant experience. Get rid as cheaply as you can and put it down to experience. The more trips you make the better you will learn to spot these bad apples but you cannot spot them "online".

4 out of 10 will be routine fucks. Nothing memorable and you will be done with her after you have busted a nut. Get rid for 1000 to 1500 pesos.

4 out of 10 will be enjoyable sex and company. You might go on to spend a day or a night with her, but you will be ready to try someone new after that. You might want to see her again so take her number. 3000 peso plus meals.

1 out of 10 will the sort who make newbies fall in love with them. Excellent at her job and well worth the 5000 a day you will spend in cash, gifts and meals.

Note that the chance of your meeting this sort of chica is 1 in 10 at best. 1 in a 100 for anyone you meet on Cupid, Badoo, etc, and 1 in a 1000 for anyone you meet through Craigslist.

You cannot beat meeting in person and making a gradual assessment. Could still go wrong but it improves your chances a lot.[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments however the weeding out process takes time which I won't have a lot of.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1490968]Don't come down starting off with the attitude that you are willing to be played for a sucker. ("Pendejo" is the local word). As a newbie you will be overcharged and you will be (hopefully mildly) conned. No shame in that, we all go through it. But if you start off defeatist you will be overcharged far more and could be a mark for a more serious con.[/QUOTE]Porque tu crees yo soy (Why do you think I am a..) un "newbie"?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1491004]Yo pago despues siempre, I always pay afterwards but also always will tell the girl that after two hours if she wants to leave or I want her to leave she will get a short time amount so I don't get stuck with her.[/QUOTE]Appears part of the 5K pesos are a commission to your hook-up.

Ahhh. This is like coming home! LOL! Breezed into Pop, remembered to bring a ten dollar bill and got my tourist card from the machine. Didn't waitin that line, but spent 30 min waiting on luggage. Damn! Taxi waiting. Off to the Depiero. 50 bucks for a one bedroom with brkfast and transport to and from airport. Hate to give that one up, but got to give back.

Early afternoon sausage fest a Rumbas! More dudes than chicas. The word is out about Sosua. Lots of familiar faces. Hardcore pros IMO. Not really impressed by the talent.

Hooked up with Gogo. Drinks all around town. Ended up in Merengue. Had a ball drinking and dancing with a gorgeous dominicana. Gogo gave her the toe test. Beautiful pedicure. LOL. Hilarious! Didn't want to F around. Told her 3 mil todo la noche, chuparme sin condom, sexo con condom. Ok papi. Offto the room, gorgeous body, ok blowjob, decent sex, a bit disappointed. These chicas simply don't have a sense of customer service. She pulled the my sister is calling me hussle. Ok. I gave her two mil. She didn't argue. Bye be&h! LOL.

Back to the strip with the intention of just drinking. Lots of hot chicas, many hardcore pros IMO, I'm here a lot so I know a lot of the chicas. Some new faces. D Latins was packed Of course, merengue had a nice crowd, classicos had a big party with prizes, nice crowd. Back and forth. Wasnt horny, but in Dlatins a cute Haitiana walked up and grabbed my dick. Expert hands, had a hard on in no time! LOL. As she went in my shorts I stopped her. Off to the room. Crazy blow job, awesome sex. I'm 240, she was slamming on my dick so hard I thought shed break my pelvis! LOL. Rolled her over and returned the favor! LOL. She took it in all positions, no complaints. Stayed all night. Gave her 2250 pesos. On the beach now chillin with Gogo. BrotherP reporting!

[QUOTE=Brother P;1491068]On the beach now chillin with Gogo. BrotherP reporting![/QUOTE]A trip report; got to love that!

Glad to hear you hit the ground running hard and non stop!

Mr. Gogo does need his rest, being 82 and all.:) Last time I saw him, he was watching those wacky dogs at NG.

I'll be out there soon. Let the party start early!

I'm coming down Dec 4th. I hear there are alot of changes like Passions and CMP CLOSED DOWN and see videos from Cubadave that all the clubs are putting up Glass Windows so the tourists can't see in. Must be hot as hell in those bars with no A / C. Any updates on that sort of stuff?

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1490964]This is ridiculous. The North Coast is awash with chicas. Come down, meet them in person, spend at least a few hours with one before committing to a longer stretch. If you are a typical newbie:

1 out of 10 will be disaster, will give as little service as possible and will want money in advance, maybe some sort of con-woman or, at worst, thief. Unpleasant experience. Get rid as cheaply as you can and put it down to experience. The more trips you make the better you will learn to spot these bad apples but you cannot spot them "online".

4 out of 10 will be routine fucks. Nothing memorable and you will be done with her after you have busted a nut. Get rid for 1000 to 1500 pesos.

4 out of 10 will be enjoyable sex and company. You might go on to spend a day or a night with her, but you will be ready to try someone new after that. You might want to see her again so take her number. 3000 peso plus meals.

1 out of 10 will the sort who make newbies fall in love with them. Excellent at her job and well worth the 5000 a day you will spend in cash, gifts and meals.

Note that the chance of your meeting this sort of chica is 1 in 10 at best. 1 in a 100 for anyone you meet on Cupid, Badoo, etc, and 1 in a 1000 for anyone you meet through Craigslist.

You cannot beat meeting in person and making a gradual assessment. Could still go wrong but it improves your chances a lot.[/QUOTE]This is the reason that asking about what TLN costs is not useful. If she is C. P. 's 1 in 10 keeper there's no problem extending the date. If she's one of the middle so-so chica's you probably are ready to get rid of her after busting a nut. If she's the 1 in 10 bad seed chica's you don't want to have promised TLN wages because she may hold you at knifepoint until you cough them up.

I was waiking out of Family Dollar yesterday when cute 22 year4 old spoke to me nd started getting fresh. I could not beleiveit. Was this a Sosua flash back or real life. I gave her my number as a potential client. She calls and flirts. Her name is Diamond go figure and yes she is an exotic dancer but looks as innocent as a school girl. Long story short I am in my room waiting for her as I type. Blind squirel fine a nut.

For her price could have had 3 DR girls but what the fuck. It has beeen a long time since I had plowed 22 year old pussy. I got to say she gave a 5 star performance. 5ft tall and a perfect thick body. Just the way I like them. Had all gone well I would be in the DR with some DR non pro GFE but all and all this was a very good shot in the where ever. The youbg lady hd great bed side manner. She was a great actor who knew why she was in the room. She was a bit paranoid about bein videoed or taped without her knowledge. The young lady was a solid 8. The body was flawless. She was real pro.

G.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1491188]I was waiking out of Family Dollar yesterday when cute 22 year4 old spoke to me nd started getting fresh. I could not beleiveit. Was this a Sosua flash back or real life. I gave her my number as a potential client. She calls and flirts. Her name is Diamond go figure and yes she is an exotic dancer but looks as innocent as a school girl. Long story short I am in my room waiting for her as I type. Blind squirel fine a nut.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1491196]For her price could have had 3 DR girls but what the fuck. It has beeen a long time since I had plowed 22 year old pussy. I got to say she gave a 5 star performance. 5ft tall and a perfect thick body. Just the way I like them. Had all gone well I would be in the DR with some DR non pro GFE but all and all this was a very good shot in the where ever. The youbg lady hd great bed side manner. She was a great actor who knew why she was in the room. She was a bit paranoid about bein videoed or taped without her knowledge. The young lady was a solid 8. The body was flawless. She was real pro.

G.[/QUOTE]Only in the Atl! Pussy is for sell all day. I just can't get pass those prices. I say to myself fuck it I will fuck 2 or 3 just like her in Sosua for half cost.

Yup. This is Mongering 101. Never commit to TLN until you've tried the chica out.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1491184]This is the reason that asking about what TLN costs is not useful. If she is C. P. 's 1 in 10 keeper there's no problem extending the date. If she's one of the middle so-so chica's you probably are ready to get rid of her after busting a nut. If she's the 1 in 10 bad seed chica's you don't want to have promised TLN wages because she may hold you at knifepoint until you cough them up.[/QUOTE]

Another good day in Sosua! I ran into Eva at D latins. She said CMP was raided and closed two days ago. Spent some time with a cute non pro I met on facebook. Cool chica, nice girl. Made me realize I like bad girls! Bought her lunch and paid the concho. Hung out at the german bar drinking beer and chica watching. Now that el toro is closed its a good place to sit and watch the girls go by. Of course el toro was better. Hooked up with a dominicana from a few trips ago. Good performer, she didn't disappoint. Agreed on 1500, but I gave her 2000 cause as usual she was good. Went to rumbas and ran into an ex passiond girl I've had twice. She loss weight, mayve 10 pounds, fu#and smoking! LOL. But I had nothing left! Got her number. Ran came down like a monsoon. One of my expat buddies walked up and said well since I can't go home lets get drunk. No prob! Lots of hot girls. A few hrs later ran into another dominicana from the past. I see her every trip but don't always take her. Cool chica. She said papi I want to be with you. Buy me beer and give me un mil. What! Discount coochi for me?! Enjoyed her company and the sex was good. She stayed all night, woke me at 8 cause she had ro go to work. But she was nice enough to see to my morning wood. LOL. Got to luv her. Gave her 2200.

Tomjackin! Seen little D last night. Fu#and smoking hot! Loss that baby weight! Brother P out!

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1491090]I'm coming down Dec 4th. I hear there are alot of changes like Passions and CMP CLOSED DOWN and see videos from Cubadave that all the clubs are putting up Glass Windows so the tourists can't see in. Must be hot as hell in those bars with no A / C. Any updates on that sort of stuff?[/QUOTE]I guess the government is moving forward with preparing Sousa for the cruise ship crowd.

[QUOTE=Brother P; 1491287]Agreed on 1500, but I gave her 2000 cause as usual she was good.

Buy me beer and give me un mil. Enjoyed her company and the sex was good. Got to luv her. Gave her 2200.[/QUOTE]I like your style. Agree a low price but then reward good service fairly.

Yea, that was my thoughts as well. I just can't imagine enclosing places like D'Latins, Rumbas and Merange and not having A / C. The temps in summer have to exceed 115 degrees in those hot boxes. The busses from the Cruise Ships should go directly to Cabarete as it is more condusive to that scene and tourists and leave Sosua to whoring.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1491405]I guess the government is moving forward with preparing Sousa for the cruise ship crowd.[/QUOTE]

Already Over! Good thing I'll be back for thanksgiving! Spent the last day bouncing around town drinking beer and talking. Lots of fellow mongers and expats. Had a decent afternoon sessions with a really pretty dominicana. Hung out with Gogo and BQ Ribs later. BQ was giving GoGo a hard time! LOL. Funny as hell! Had a blast. Got the Haitian girl again. Told her 2000 todo la noche. She said Ok. Another star performance with an encore presentation in the morning. Got to luv it. Gave her 2500. Having breakfast at new cafe. Pretty girls walking by and waving, blowing kisses! Love live Sosua! Brother P reporting!

I can finally add a report. This place is everything yall said it was, fine ass woman everywhere, already I can't wait to go back. I went to Sosua Oct 24th-27th and stayed at Rocky Suites

Was really nervous about taking this trip solo as my friend backed out at the last minute, and I never been outside the country before. But I am so glad I decided to pull the trigger and go by myself. I ended up meeting with 2 guys from another board who travel down there often, and they showed me a great time. I am 27 years old but I have a young face, can almost pass for a senior in high school, and all the chicas were calling me Bambino LOL. I ended up with 7 chicas my stay with one of them being repeats. And I see why you have to be careful bringing these chicas to your room, in one instance I had chica I had the night before just randomly show up to my door the next day, I was like WTF, I told her I had to leave and that I might see her later (never saw her again for the rest of my trip). I never told the chicas when I was leaving and got a few of their facebooks, they weren't too happy when I told them I left to go back home. I would have to say out of the 7 only 2 I would consider bad sessions, and I couldn't get any pics without clothes, even when I said no face in picture they still wouldn't budge. The most I paid for ST was 2500 (I know that's a lot but I am still learning the ropes) but I did manage to get a TLN for 1500. But in all it was a great trip and I am already hoping to go back sometime in April or may.

The only downfall of the trip was going through DR Customs on the way back in Santiago. I was nearly questioned for 15 mins as to why I was travelling by myself. In another country where the guy could barely understand my English, I am glad my limited Spanish helped me. Never been so nervous in my life.

Another thing I noticed. For the people on here saying that white guys don't like black or black skinned girls, that's all I seen them with. Many of the white guys either had a hatian or very dark skinned Dominican. Maybe I just happened to be there when this was more prevalent, I don't know, but just thought I should point this out.

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1491779]Another thing I noticed. For the people on here saying that white guys don't like black or black skinned girls, that's all I seen them with. Many of the white guys either had a haitian or very dark skinned Dominican. Maybe I just happened to be there when this was more prevalent, I don't know.[/QUOTE]An interesting topic, but these discussions tend to go south very rapidly. But since you have raised it:

(1) If you are American and first time out of the country, you may have a very different definition of what constitutes "dark skinned". For example, I wouldn't call any of the three you pictured as "dark-skinned", nor would most locals in Sosua. Would you? They appear to be two "india oscuras" and one "india clara". Not "morena" or "prieta". But these terms are relative. If the girls on the left and center came from a lighter-skinned family they might well be called "morena" in comparison to their siblings. Similarly if they came from the Cibao, which has a higher percentage of "Spanish" bloodlines.

(2) Two-thirds of the mongers in Sosua are not from the US, and if there is any truth in that assertion, it would not apply to them. Germans, French, Italians, and French Canadians, among others, are known to very often prefer haitianas.

(3) The sizable minority of American mongers who prefer lighter-skinned girls wouldn't go to Sosua because they know their choice would be reduced there. They go to Colombia, Costa Rica, or SE Asia (among other destinations).

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1491184]This is the reason that asking about what TLN costs is not useful. If she is C. P. 's 1 in 10 keeper there's no problem extending the date. If she's one of the middle so-so chica's you probably are ready to get rid of her after busting a nut. If she's the 1 in 10 bad seed chica's you don't want to have promised TLN wages because she may hold you at knifepoint until you cough them up.[/QUOTE]If you speak Spanish TLN can be explained as an option to the chicas after a short time agreed upon amount. This way there is no misunderstanding (mal-intiendemento) in the room. Of course the time of departure and what you expect would have to be agreed to as well. If you don't speak Spanish you should forget just getting a TLN cost as previously posted.

Had a nice 6 night stay here last week.

PROS. Free Airport Pickup, Rick is a cool and helpful guy, nice space in the room, away from the strip, laundry service.

CONS. Constantly paying moto fare to get to and from the strip, on the ground floor the only view you have is of the glass bottled wall, Wonky showers in some of the older rooms.

I had a good stay and the girls all liked my place but next time I'm going to try for a closer hotel like Don Antonio's.

TIP: If you're planning on staying there I'd suggest an upstairs room.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1491926]Had a nice 6 night stay here last week.[/QUOTE]What's that nasty looking crud on the shower floor going into the drain?

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1491779]The only downfall of the trip was going through DR Customs on the way back in Santiago. I was nearly questioned for 15 mins as to why I was travelling by myself. In another country where the guy could barely understand my English, I am glad my limited Spanish helped me. Never been so nervous in my life.[/QUOTE]It's weird, every time I'm leaving Puerto Plata airport they always spend about a good 4-5 mins looking over my passport.

Sniffing it, looking at it with a microscope, hell they damn near licked it once LOL.

Also NEVER pay over 2000 for ST, I don't care how nice her ass is! Glad you had a great time though.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1491927]What's that nasty looking crud on the shower floor going into the drain?[/QUOTE]Discoloration of the tile I assume

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1491921]An interesting topic, but these discussions tend to go south very rapidly. But since you have raised it:

(1) If you are American and first time out of the country, you may have a very different definition of what constitutes "dark skinned". For example, I wouldn't call any of the three you pictured as "dark-skinned", nor would most locals in Sosua. Would you? They appear to be two "india oscuras" and one "india clara". Not "morena" or "prieta". But these terms are relative. If the girls on the left and center came from a lighter-skinned family they might well be called "morena" in comparison to their siblings. Similarly if they came from the Cibao, which has a higher percentage of "Spanish" bloodlines.

(2) Two-thirds of the mongers in Sosua are not from the US, and if there is any truth in that assertion, it would not apply to them. Germans, French, Italians, and French Canadians, among others, are known to very often prefer haitianas.[/QUOTE]To your first statement I wouldn't call the 3 woman in my pics dark skinned either as I wasn't referring to them. I was only referring to the appearance of the girls I seen the white guys with. Your 2nd statement, thanks for clearing that up, completely forgot about the European and Canadian being in Sousa.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1491929]Also NEVER pay over 2000 for ST, I don't care how nice her ass is! Glad you had a great time though.[/QUOTE]Yea I know, paying over 2000 for ST is definitely a no no, its one thing to soak in everything you learn here from the board, but its another to actually apply it in action LOL, I guess I was just too happy to finally be there and everything went through one ear and out the other. Lesson learned though, as I will have more experience for my next trip.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1491929]Also NEVER pay over 2000 for ST, I don't care how nice her ass is! Glad you had a great time though.[/QUOTE]He has seen that it is possible to get LT for 1500, so I doubt he will pay anything even near 2000 for ST anymore. Personally I would say 500-800 for ST.

[quote=thakid5; 1491779]i am 27 years old but i have a young face, can almost pass for a senior in high school, and all the chicas were calling me bambino lol.

the only downfall of the trip was going through dr customs on the way back in santiago. i was nearly questioned for 15 mins as to why i was travelling by myself. in another country where the guy could barely understand my english, i am glad my limited spanish helped me. never been so nervous in my life.[/quote]possibly they suspected you were **** and / or smuggling drugs or something. i have been through dr airports over 50 times and never been asked anything like that.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1491929]It's weird, every time I'm leaving Puerto Plata airport they always spend about a good 4-5 mins looking over my passport.

Sniffing it, looking at it with a microscope, hell they damn near licked it once LOL.[/QUOTE]That happened to me when I entered POP in August. I just got a new US passport with extra pages inside. The new passport is quite different. The main difference is that the picture and information is no longer on the first page when it opens, it's now on the second page.

The agent had to go in one of the offices to ask for assistance.

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1491978]Yea I know, paying over 2000 for ST is definitely a no no, its one thing to soak in everything you learn here from the board, but its another to actually apply it in action LOL, I guess I was just too happy to finally be there and everything went through one ear and out the other. Lesson learned though, as I will have more experience for my next trip.[/QUOTE]Yeah you got to be firm even when she looks good.

I had I chica on halloween night (amazing body) say she wouldn't go for less that $100 US TLN! No wonder it was near 3 am and she was still hadn't been picked up. LOL

She went home alone that night which was stupid since she could have had good money in her pocket.

Chances are if you over pay they under perform.

Next time I go I'm learning Spanish and low balling the fuck out of these chicas

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1491978]Yea I know, paying over 2000 for ST is definitely a no no, its one thing to soak in everything you learn here from the board, but its another to actually apply it in action LOL, I guess I was just too happy to finally be there and everything went through one ear and out the other. Lesson learned though, as I will have more experience for my next trip.[/QUOTE]2000-2500 ST is about right. We are talking about $48-$60 bucks. Where in the US can you find a dime piece for that kind of money? Don't be that guy sitting on the airplane after your trip saying to yourself "Damn, that chica was banging! But she wanted 2000-2500 ST and the (faceless) guys on ISG told me not to pay that".

As much as some of these chichipatos would like to believe, chicas are not going home starving because you did not give her 2000-2500 pesos. If she is damn fine, she will get snatched up as soon as you turn your back.

Keep everything in prospective bro. Most of the guys claiming they don't pay more than 2000 ST don't mind that there h0es look like this "thing" in the pic attached.

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1491779]and I couldn't get any pics without clothes, even when I said no face in picture they still wouldn't budge. .[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting some pics bro! Helps keep me focused on getting back!

I call bullshit on your girl in the middle. I smashed that back in February, and took pictures as a condition of taking her to the room. The mole on her nose is distracting, but I'm a sucker for a nice rack.

I've been back 2 times since February and she's begged for me to take her again each time. Since idle begging didn't work, she saw I had Whatsapp on my phone back in September, and has been randomly sending me nekkid pics to get my attention. I don't engage her, because the request for $$ will come next!

Long story short. Make your demand before you take her. It's your best position of leverage. All of the chicks know (through the chica network) that I'm cheap, and I'm going to take "fotos disnuda" or they can't come to the room.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1492244]Yeah you got to be firm even when she looks good.

I had I chica on halloween night (amazing body) say she wouldn't go for less that $100 US TLN! No wonder it was near 3 am and she was still hadn't been picked up. LOL

She went home alone that night which was stupid since she could have had good money in her pocket.

Chances are if you over pay they under perform.

Next time I go I'm learning Spanish and low balling the fuck out of these chicas[/QUOTE]It's not really that difficult.

Just type in the number 1500 on your phone. And say "solo 1500 pesos. Why propina si estoy alegro."

Usually just typing it on your phone will do the trick, even if she doesn't know English. The girls will not over-perform necessarily if you pay more than the standard rate. Some girls will be attracted to the guy and fuck your brains out. Others will just want to make it quick and get out. It's a roll of the dice with any girl, no matter what you pay.

It's just as easy to say if you stick firm to a low price, then she'll think you're cheap and underperform just to get a little bit of cash and bounce. But best of luck, we are all in this hobby to get the best experience (well, most of us anyways). If some reach that goal by paying more, fantastic. If others get it by just having the girl really like them (and even on the rare occasion without paying anything) then excellent! The end game is the same for most of us.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1492253]2000-2500 ST is about right. We are talking about $48-$60 bucks. Where in the US can you find a dime piece for that kind of money? Don't be that guy sitting on the airplane after your trip saying to yourself "damn, that chica was banging, but she wanted 2000-2500 ST and the (faceless) guys on ISG told me not to pay that".

As much as some of these chichipatos would like to believe, chicas are not going home starving because you did not give her 2000-2500 pesos. If she is damn fine, she will get snatched up as soon as U-turn your back.

Keep everything in prospective bro. Most of the guys claiming they don't pay more than 2000 ST don't mind that there h0es look like that "thing" in the pic attached.[/QUOTE]+1.

Head on over to Europe where it costs $100 an hour and sometimes more if you want a GFE.

Always a good idea to negotiate, but if you really want to bang the girl and she's sticking to her price and you're able to afford it. Go for it. If it's a bad experience, oh well. If it's a good experience, you won't be thinking "geez, I just shot my load and am satisfied but man. I wish I would have paid $10 less."

Most of these girls will get picked out quick by just standing there, or by walking around since all mongerers walking around Sosua are eyeing just a about every girl that passes by. The ones that look good know it.

[quote=Puntz79; 1492258]It's not really that difficult.

Just type in the number 1500 on your phone. And say "solo 1500 pesos. USDA income guidelines and restrictions."[/quote]Usually just typing it on your phone will do the trick, even if she doesn't know English. The girls will not over-perform necessarily if you pay more than the standard rate. Some girls will be attracted to the guy and fuck your brains out. Others will just want to make it quick and get out. It's a roll of the dice with any girl, no matter what you pay.

So true.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1492253]2000-2500 ST is about right. We are talking about $48-$60 bucks. Where in the US can you find a dime piece for that kind of money? Don't be that guy sitting on the airplane after your trip saying to yourself "Damn, that chica was banging! But she wanted 2000-2500 ST and the (faceless) guys on ISG told me not to pay that".

As much as some of these chichipatos would like to believe, chicas are not going home starving because you did not give her 2000-2500 pesos. If she is damn fine, she will get snatched up as soon as U-turn your back.

Keep everything in prospective bro. Most of the guys claiming they don't pay more than 2000 ST don't mind that there h0es look like this "thing" in the pic attached.[/QUOTE]You are a poor excuse for a human being! Therefore, you need to pay more! Posting that pic and saying what you did, proves it, IMO!

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1491196]For her price could have had 3 DR girls but what the fuck. It has beeen a long time since I had plowed 22 year old pussy. I got to say she gave a 5 star performance. 5ft tall and a perfect thick body. Just the way I like them. Had all gone well I would be in the DR with some DR non pro GFE but all and all this was a very good shot in the where ever. The youbg lady hd great bed side manner. She was a great actor who knew why she was in the room. She was a bit paranoid about bein videoed or taped without her knowledge. The young lady was a solid 8. The body was flawless. She was real pro.

G.[/QUOTE]I will be traveling through Atlanta soon would you give this chic's number to me.

Did you get any photo's

[QUOTE=ThaKid5; 1491779]The only downfall of the trip was going through DR Customs on the way back in Santiago. I was nearly questioned for 15 mins as to why I was travelling by myself. In another country where the guy could barely understand my English, I am glad my limited Spanish helped me. Never been so nervous in my life.

I hate you had to go through that shit but it being the 1st time for you I am sure when they started asking you questions you had that o shit look on your face and they just ran with it.

The next trip you will be more experienced and no matter what happens it will not bother you like it did this time.

Thanks for all the input, hoping to go back in March, April or May.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1492253]2000-2500 ST is about right. We are talking about $48-$60 bucks. Where in the US can you find a dime piece for that kind of money? Don't be that guy sitting on the airplane after your trip saying to yourself "Damn, that chica was banging! But she wanted 2000-2500 ST and the (faceless) guys on ISG told me not to pay that".

As much as some of these chichipatos would like to believe, chicas are not going home starving because you did not give her 2000-2500 pesos. If she is damn fine, she will get snatched up as soon as U-turn your back.

Keep everything in prospective bro. Most of the guys claiming they don't pay more than 2000 ST don't mind that there h0es look like this "thing" in the pic attached.[/QUOTE]I got amazing women for 2000 and less, real talk.

Chicas try to jack up the prices when they see the thirst in your eyes and hear that American accent.

So what if you miss out on one girl? There's another one just as hot who will gladly accept $1500p.

Don't get suckered into paying more for the same thing smarter men pay less for

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1492329]I got amazing women for 2000 and less, real talk.[/QUOTE]What is "amazing"? It's a relative term that could mean anything. A "7" in your mind could be a "5" in my eyes. And how do we know what you really paid? I could go find bikini pics of Kim Kardashian, crop the face out, post it here and claim "I only paid 500 pesos for this chica!"

A guy just returning from Sosua can come on here and post a photo of a well-known "amazing" Dominicana (who not too many people fuck with because they know she wants 4000 ST) and claim he got her for 1000 TLN. Most guys will be scratching their heads like "how did he pull that off?" But the other half of us will most likely call bullshit.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1492329]Chicas try to jack up the prices when they see the thirst in your eyes and hear that American accent.

So what if you miss out on one girl? There's another one just as hot who will gladly accept $1500p.

Don't get suckered into paying more for the same thing smarter men pay less for[/QUOTE]Has nothing to do with anything, and everything to do with supply and demand.

Just like Puntz79 said, most of the hot chicas know they are hot and get picked out quick. Just because you are offerning 1500 doesn't mean she has to accept it or waste her time trying to haggle with you the same way you do not have to waste your time trying to get her below 2500 pesos.

Could this same chica be had for 1500 pesos? Sure, quite possibly. If you are one of those guys who do not mind waiting until 4am for her after she's been bounced around by 3 to 4 other guys by then, then of course she probably would go for 1500 TLN. What chica wouldn't jump at chance for a hot shower, nice bed, A/C, and breakfast in the morning after a full night of turning multiple tricks until 4am? Just don't be complaining if her performance is less than stellar by then, LOL! And what is TLN at 4am when half the night is already gone?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1492329]Chicas try to jack up the prices when they see the thirst in your eyes and hear that American accent.[/QUOTE]Thatz pretty funny, LOL. The percentage and absolute number of thirty simps visiting Sosua has increased exponentially since around the time of the arrival of Kenny Graham. Fortunately, the exchange rate has been working in favor of the American gringo.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1492417]What is "amazing"? It's a relative term that could mean anything. A "7" in your mind could be a "5" in my eyes. And how do we know what you really paid? I could go find bikini pics of Kim Kardashian, crop the face out, post it here and claim "I only paid 500 pesos for this chica!"

A guy just returning from Sosua can come on here and post a photo of a well-known "amazing" Dominicana (who not too many people fuck with because they know she wants 4000 ST) and claim he got her for 1000 TLN. Most guys will be scratching their heads like "how did he pull that off?" But the other half of us will most likely call bullshit.[/QUOTE]How I define amazing is pretty face, slim waist and nice round butt.

I don't have any reason to lie or brag and my price isn't in any way hard to believe.

$2500 is passions and cmp prices, you're paying for the girl AND the room so why would you pay that much on the street with your own place? Common sense.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1492417]Has nothing to do with anything, and everything to do with supply and demand.

Just like Puntz79 said, most of the hot chicas know they are hot and get picked out quick. Just because you are offerning 1500 doesn't mean she has to accept it or waste her time trying to haggle with you the same way you do not have to waste your time trying to get her below 2500 pesos.

Could this same chica be had for 1500 pesos? Sure, quite possibly. If you are one of those guys who do not mind waiting until 4am for her after she's been bounced around by 3 to 4 other guys by then, then of course she probably would go for 1500 TLN. What chica wouldn't jump at chance for a hot shower, nice bed, A / C, and breakfast in the morning after a full night of turning multiple tricks until 4am? Just don't be complaining if her performance is less than stellar by then, LOL! And what is TLN at 4am when half the night is already gone?[/QUOTE]Well (#1) no matter what time of day she's probably already been with someone in the last 3 hours and (#2) I've picked up girls at 12am for $2500. $3000 TLN. I generally don't stay out too late.

A woman is only as hot as how many men are sweating her, it's hard to feel like a "10" when you've been sitting by yourself all night.

Paying more is no guarantee of quality, unfortunately that's the type of thinking that will turn a buyer's market like Sosua into a seller's market

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1492512]Paying more is no guarantee of quality, unfortunately that's the type of thinking that will turn a buyer's market like Sosua into a seller's market[/QUOTE]We've seen it happen in other markets. From the reports I'm reading, it seems like Sosua continues to trend in that direction. Unfortunately, some Americans use their economy as a reference point when traveling to third world countries, instead of the local economy and customs.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1492512]Paying more is no guarantee of quality, unfortunately that's the type of thinking that will turn a buyer's market like Sosua into a seller's market[/QUOTE]I agree with you completely. No one is arguing that more money equates to better service. What I am saying is let's "keep it one-hunned" up in here.

If Pinky (the pornstar, back in her early career) was strutting down the streets of Sosua, you cannot tell me that guys would not be tripping over each other and cock-blocking just to get to her first.

Not because they feel she gives great service; it is because most folks would agree that Pinky is very visually attractive. A broad like that can set her own prices, and if you don't want to pay them then you miss out on that ride.

I wouldn't mind paying to hit that if she wanted 2500 pesos. And I would definitely love to add those trophy photos to my collection and brag about it to my boys back home on (relationship) lock, LOL.

On the flip side, not everybody would agree that Pinky is attractive. They may be more into a Jada Fire or a Misty Stone.

FYI: "Buyers Market", "Sellers. Market"; not every chica in Sosua is doable. There are fuglies that will always be mixed into the scene taking up space. You will always be competing with other mongers for the same small pool of attractive chicas available. Supply and Demand. Which is why I always say if you want the odds to be in your favor and avoid a "Sausage Fest", then don't travel to the DR during US Federal holidays.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1492535]You will always be competing with other mongers for the same small pool of attractive chicas available.[/QUOTE]Trust me, there's plenty of ass to go around and the "one-hunned" truth is they're really competing for US!

Remember these women are essentially losers who only have one thing of value, and it's only really valuable in relation to who wants it. If Pinky grew up in the backwoods of Utah somewhere she couldn't give it away if she tried. The main problem is thirsty guys are over validating these chicas to the point where they have the arrogance to ask for 4000ps a night in a country where the average monthly salary is far less. And then they go fuck some bum Dominican dude raw for free! Personally I avoid the grumpy faced, high maintenance chica wolves in the catsuits because the sex NEVER justifies the cost. They want more and they'll do less.

EDIT: In short there should be a cap on what we pay because these girl will push and push until 5000 ST becomes standard.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1492553]EDIT: In short there should be a cap on what we pay because these girl will push and push until 5000 ST becomes standard.[/QUOTE]Again, will never happen because of Supply and Demand. The only way this would ever play out is if all of the chicas in Sosua got together and formed a Union.

A chica barely getting 1 or 2 customers a night (because she is not as attractive as some of the other chicas) is NOT going to be asking for 5000 pesos. She may try to see if you are noobish enough to fall for it; she may even try to pull the ole switcharoo with you once you get her into the room (agreeing to 1500 on the street, then jacking the price up to 5000 in your hotel room; see Mr. Gogo's Boca Chica trip report he just posted in his forum) , but it will not take her long to realize that she cannot ask for the same prices that a more attractive chica getting 3 or more clients a day can.

And don't forget about the Haitians. As long as they are around the pricing structure will never be what you are predicting. Those Haitian chicas are desperate and do not want any trouble from the police. They will take almost anything you offer them, which is why the Dominicanas hate them (they blame them for "fucking up the prices" (low) the same way we blame the "make it rain" crowd for "fucking up the prices" (high)).

I'm not talking about all of them rather certain groups.

Please believe these chicas have their own cliques / gangs and they all communicate with each other so it's not too far fetched

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1492535]Supply and Demand. Which is why I always say if you want the odds to be in your favor and avoid a "Sausage Fest", then don't travel to the DR during US Federal holidays.[/QUOTE]I can't agree more, unfortunately I'm going to DR between Dec 18 to Dec 31, less sellers, more buyers.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1492553]Trust me, there's plenty of ass to go around and the "one-hunned" truth is they're really competing for US!

Agreed and you don't have to wait until late at night to get these girl's.

If you treat them nice they like that almost as much as money

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1492628]I can't agree more, unfortunately I'm going to DR between Dec 18 to Dec 31, less sellers, more buyers.[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it.

The high season does bring more mongers but it also brings out some of the best that the DR has to offer don't forget it will be Christmas there and some of the girl's will only do p4p at this time of the year. No matter when you go it's going to be great time

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1492628]I can't agree more, unfortunately I'm going to DR between Dec 18 to Dec 31, less sellers, more buyers.[/QUOTE]Great time to go. Don't forget to bring plenty of Blackberrys, iPhones, purfumes, and panties to give away to the hookers.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1492628]I can't agree more, unfortunately I'm going to DR between Dec 18 to Dec 31, less sellers, more buyers.[/QUOTE]I was in Sosua last yr for Christmas and new yrs eve and had a blast! There was always enough chicas. Oddly, Christmas eve and x mas night were better than new yrs eve. We'll see how it goes this yr. I bought that ticket in July! LOL.

Why do I say Dominican Republic is volent?

1. The police extorted 1-3 of my friends per week in Sosua. This is nuts.

2. The British Guardian newspaper site says the Dominican Republic is: "The world's most dangerous country for drivers."

3. I hear of one armed robbery per week, with guns, like some inner city Detroit, Michigan, gang violence. It is just like you see in the films.

4. The people in the Dominican Republic are copying the gang culture and music of the USA. Their pants are down, and the music is dominating. This is not Caribbean paradise. Sosua has one of the best beaches on the planet, yet sadly, more expats are killed, arrested or extorted there than any other place I know of on planet earth.

5. Dominican Republic is the black America that everyone fears, the worst of the worst, something from a cliche ghetto movie. That is the DR.

This bundle of violence Is too heavy; Enough is enough!

But What about Africa? What Is the problem with Africa? Why are people afraid of Africa?

The problem with Africa is simple: It is full of black people, and Americans are afraid of large groups of black people. The mere idea of a group of black people in one spot brings out 500 years of racial fears.

We must look at what Africa is, not what America is.

Yes, we Americans are politically correct in our words about black African culture. But the actions of Americans are obvious: They want nothing to do with a black African. And the black Americans are even worse. They actually get angry when I ask them to come to Africa.

All this is good for me. It will take another 20-30 years before they realize that African black culture is 90 percent different than the made-for-TV, HBO films of ghettoes. The cliche stereotype wins out in the minds of most American tourists, and I am rewarded for seeing that people are people. Color is irrelevant, but culture is not, though. We need to be afraid of cultures, not colors of skins.

There are many violent cultures. Some are black, but if you want true violence, then find a white culture. 50 million people were killed by white Nazi Germans in WWII. To accomplish true Holocaust-level violence, you need whites. And we still whitewash Germany, as if they did not do it.

What is Africa?

Each small village in Africa has existed for thousands of years. It is like small town Indiana: Everyone knows everyone, and nobody can get away with anything; they will catch you in seconds. Violence and theft are not tolerated.

CNN and the media can portray Africans in the worst possible ways, but refuse to truly say that the Germans killed 50 million while Africa is just a wimp. The facts are the facts: Africans make small wars; it takes the whites to drop atomic weapons.

Then, because 99 percent of travel writers need to speak English and are too lazy to get a visa, they travel to the 1 in 53 African countries that are dangerous. The go to South Africa. Nelson Mandela and his terrorist lifestyle, following the apartheid created by Europeans, makes this country one the last on my list countries to visit. Its violence level is about the same as the Dominican Republic's.

AIDs is 20 plus percent there, and carjackings are normal. But then again, South Africa is full of white people. Go figure!

Stop being slow; be savvy. Africa has 53 countries and 2,000 plus languages. South Africa and Nairobi, Kenya, are not typical African countries; they are whitebread Africa.

But if you are honest, you will know that you are afraid of any large group of blacks in the USA, and rightly so. A large group of blacks in the USA is dangerous.

There is a reason I return to Africa. I love small town Indiana, and I love small town Africa. The people are a different color than me, but it has the small town life I need.

The best thing that has changed about travel in the last 10 years is that we no longer need to stop in the big, violent cities on the planet. We can actually visit the people of the country and bypass the violence of big cities. Just say no.

As an Indiana farm boy, I do not want New York culture to be my culture. And we should not allow your cliche view of Detroit inner city gang war movies to be superimposed onto Africa. It is just subconscious fears. Time to open your mind and come to Africa, before it changes.

This place is how South America was 15 years ago, a traveler's paradise.

Read more: [url]http://www.hobotraveler.com/plan-trip/dominican-republic-is-dangerous-why-africa-is-safer.php#ixzz2jt2E2lBX[/url]

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1492628]I can't agree more, unfortunately I'm going to DR between Dec 18 to Dec 31, less sellers, more buyers.[/QUOTE]I hope to hell not! I will be back in the DR during that time. I am hoping to help a few single Moms fulfill their babies Christmas list! My man said it will be packed. I thought most people stayed home for new years.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1492879]Great time to go. Don't forget to bring plenty of Blackberrys, iPhones, purfumes, and panties to give away to the hookers.[/QUOTE]I just restocked from the 3.99 rack (summer sale) no Blackberrys, or Iphones. All I can give is A nice dress 1000-2000 pesos hard dick and bubble gum!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1492253]Keep everything in prospective bro. Most of the guys claiming they don't pay more than 2000 ST don't mind that there h0es look like this "thing" in the pic attached.[/QUOTE]That reminds me, I got to set the tv to record "The Walking Dead".

[QUOTE=Brother P;1492891]I was in Sosua last yr for Christmas and new yrs eve and had a blast! There was always enough chicas. Oddly, Christmas eve and x mas night were better than new yrs eve. We'll see how it goes this yr. I bought that ticket in July! LOL.[/QUOTE]Does anything special happen for new years eve?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1492958]Does anything special happen for new years eve?[/QUOTE]Nothing special happened. No fireworks or special party. I closed the bar and took home a bartender. It was a good night!

[QUOTE=Brother P;1492966]I closed the bar and took home a bartender. It was a good night![/QUOTE]I bet you charmed her with your smooth dance moves!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1492969]I bet you charmed her with your smooth dance moves![/QUOTE]My smoove moves and a few thousand pesos! LOL. If you factor in all the drinks I bought it was an expensive lay. But I had a good time and got the girl.

Just like in the movies! Lmao!

Now that the bars-clubs put up the windows, How does it affect your mongering compared to before?

Serious answers please.

[QUOTE=Tablefall; 1493036]Now that the bars-clubs put up the windows, How does it affect your mongering compared to before?

Serious answers please.[/QUOTE]Zero impact.

[QUOTE=Tablefall;1493036]Now that the bars-clubs put up the windows, How does it affect your mongering compared to before?[/QUOTE]Not at all. I am virtually retired from active mongering, but I can speak for my active friends in the area. None of them take or look for chicas in those environments. If they ever go in it is to socialize with visiting monger friends. If the environment is less pleasant they may be reluctant to do even that. It must be six or seven years since I last took a chica from one of the places affected.

[QUOTE=Tablefall; 1493036]Now that the bars-clubs put up the windows, How does it affect your mongering compared to before?

Serious answers please.[/QUOTE]It didn't affect my mongering at all. Just like anything else. Sudden change creates reluctance, but time is the equalizer, and everybody will get use to it. When D'Latins became the premier club, I was confounded and didn't understand how people would prefer it over the great Classico's, but I was wrong. Believe me, Amando has a method to his madness.

Question for my curiosity.

Do you guys have any strategies for getting chicas to take nude pics / video?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1493765]Question for my curiosity.

Do you guys have any strategies for getting chicas to take nude pics / video?[/QUOTE]The only strategy I have ever had with pros is to take out my camera and start snapping. Sometimes with non-pros I might tease them about making a movie then keep my camera close. Or while I'm hitting say something like,"Girl this pussy is so good that I got to take a picture of it." Then always show them the pictures after and email them as well. I always travel with a small extendable tripod from Walmart, although I'm not too much into that type of thing anymore. Cost about $15.

[QUOTE=Brother P;1492891]I was in Sosua last yr for Christmas and new yrs eve and had a blast! There was always enough chicas. Oddly, Christmas eve and x mas night were better than new yrs eve. We'll see how it goes this yr. I bought that ticket in July! LOL.[/QUOTE]I just bought my ticket today, its was $1,650 and there was 4 seats left, now its only 3 seats left.

It was $1,400 couple days ago, flying from Edmonton to Toronto to PP.

Next thing to worry about is accommodation, hopefully I can find something around $50 / night at this season.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb; 1493942]I just bought my ticket today, its was $1, 650 and there was 4 seats left, now its only 3 seats left.

It was $1, 400 couple days ago, flying from Edmonton to Toronto to PP.

Next thing to worry about is accommodation, hopefully I can find something around $50 / night at this season.[/QUOTE]I'm glad I booked early! The depiero has rooms for under 50, apts 50ish. Includes brkfast and transpo to and from airport. Also condos dominicano is under 50, I perfer the de piero. I'm sure you can find something in your price range.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1493765]Question for my curiosity.

Do you guys have any strategies for getting chicas to take nude pics / video?[/QUOTE]I mentioned it a few posts back. Negotiate it up front.

I'll have a chica approach me after I've given her the eye, and I tell her that she will have to do "fotos disnuda". If she disagrees, see ya later. If she agrees just to get me to take her, and has no intention of taking pictures. Then the next step covers that.

I take the pics before the deed and after. If she flakes before. That's the best time to find out. Get rid of her then. If she flakes on some pictures, was was she going to do in the sack?

And yes, they ALWAYS want to see the pictures after you take them. If you don't take pictures of their face, they'll get really open and friendly with the camera. If you have their face in the shot, they'll freak, and want to stop taking pictures, or they won't let you get the GOOD shots, because they don't want you to put it on the "intah-net" or "fayboo".

I'm not saying you need to resort to these type of negotiations:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0.[/url]

But making it known up front is usually all it takes.

Side note. I've had to negotiate like this (in the video) when in Tijuana with the chicas in the alley behind HK and AB. It can be an adventure, but most times, I'm not up for it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1493804]The only strategy I have ever had with pros is to take out my camera and start snapping. Sometimes with non-pros I might tease them about making a movie then keep my camera close. Or while I'm hitting say something like,"Girl this pussy is so good that I got to take a picture of it." Then always show them the pictures after and email them as well. I always travel with a small extendable tripod from Walmart, although I'm not too much into that type of thing anymore. Cost about $15.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1494146]I mentioned it a few posts back. Negotiate it up front.

I'll have a chica approach me after I've given her the eye, and I tell her that she will have to do "fotos disnuda". If she disagrees, see ya later. If she agrees just to get me to take her, and has no intention of taking pictures. Then the next step covers that.

I take the pics before the deed and after. If she flakes before. That's the best time to find out. Get rid of her then. If she flakes on some pictures, was was she going to do in the sack?[/QUOTE]Two different schools of thought haha!

Warning to all. Check this out. Our Bankers on the plastic chairs in the streets may have there bills.

[url]http://colonialzone-dr.com/colonialzonenews/2013/11/07/counterfeit-2000-peso-notes-in-circulation/[/url]

I don't know how I forgot to add this in my trip report from a few days back but a chica did try to attempt to pick pocket me.

So I am standing outside Rumbas just scoping out the talent when an older about mid 30s unattractive chica comes up to me saying lets freaky freaky. I politely say no gracias mami. Then the girl starts trying to grab me. I grab her arms to try and prevent her from touching me. She then proceeds to start pulling out her titties. I say no mami muchos personas aqui, what are you doing? LOL So I just walk across the street in hopes that she would leave me alone. Like 3 minutes later the chica shows up again this time way more aggressive, so I just put both hands in my pocket and kept saying no gracias mami. Luckliy there was a Police Officer around and he told her to leave me alone. The Officer then says to me in good English, she's no good, she's a thief. I said gracias papi and kept it moving. Its good to see that the police do lookout for the tourist.

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1494521].I said gracias papi and kept it moving.[/QUOTE]Just a head-up, you don't call a man "papi", unless you're a homo; that's a term used by women.

[quote=ThaKid5; 1494521]I don't know how I forgot to add this in my trip report from a few days back but a chica did try to attempt to pick pocket me.

So I am standing outside Rumbas just scoping out the talent when an older about mid 30s unattractive chica comes up to me saying lets freaky freaky. I politely say no gracias mami. Then the girl starts trying to grab me. I grab her arms to try and prevent her from touching me. She then proceeds to start pulling out her titties. I say no mami muchos personas aqui, what are you doing? LOL So I just walk across the street in hopes that she would leave me alone. Like 3 minutes later the chica shows up again this time way more aggressive, so I just put both hands in my pocket and kept saying no gracias mami.Luckliy there was a Police Officer around and he told her to leave me alone. The Officer then says to me in good English, she's no good, she's a thief. I said gracias papi and kept it moving.[/quote]Maybe you were giving off a weak man's vibe to her. Not saying you are but street hoes try to read men vibe. You say she was in her mid 30s?

Luckliy there was a Police Officer around and he told her to leave me alone. The Officer then says to me in good English, she's no good, she's a thief. I said gracias papi and kept it moving.

I wonder what the officer was thinking after that respond LOL just kidding Kid good report.

[QUOTE=Rebel Monger;1495114]Just a head-up, you don't call a man "papi", unless you're a homo; that's a term used by women.[/QUOTE]Lucky he didn't get a baton up his ass.

I always award cops a promotion when I address them, so beat cops I call "sargento", then "lieutenant","capitán","comandante","coronel", etc. In eight years no-one has been modest enough to correct me, so they must like it. Not that I have had many encounters. I award them like the plague, especially PN.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1495132]Lucky he didn't get a baton up his ass.[/QUOTE]Isn't there a dude on here that would like that? Forgot his screen name.

[QUOTE=Rebel Monger;1495114]Just a head-up, you don't call a man "papi", unless you're a homo; that's a term used by women.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you are from but here in the NYC area I grew up around many Dominicans and Dominican men call each other papi, the Dominican man who owns the bodega around my way calls me papi, I am using it as a form of endearment just as they would, so relax on the homo comment.

Was on Cubadave's Facebook page. He has been on the ground in Sosua the past 3 weeks. He indicates that there is a pending court ruling on the future of Sosua. Did anybody hear anything as to what is going on? . Alot of crazy shit happening down there now with the closing of Passions and CMP and even El Valero on the beach (cause they were taking all the customers from the other restaurants). I have reservations for Dec 4th and I am beginning to wonder. Here is the link if you don't already know it. [url]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cubadave-In-Sosua/305520736144572[/url]

[QUOTE=Rebel Monger;1495114]Just a head-up, you don't call a man "papi", unless you're a homo; that's a term used by women.[/QUOTE]That is not true at all. Papi and Papo aren't only used in romantic ways. They are used in generic ways as well. The same as we say "Hey Player" in the States. You will also hear "Lil' Daddy" or "Lil' Mama" throughout the southern United States from Texas to Georgia. My DR girlfriend's son's name is Jon. I call him Papi Jon as in the pizza place. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation in any place that I have been.[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1495143]Isn't there a dude on here that would like that? Forgot his screen name.[/QUOTE]I think he only likes women to do it though.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1495184]That is not true at all. Papi and Papo aren't only used in romantic ways. They are used in generic ways as well. The same as we say "Hey Player" in the States.[/QUOTE]Agreed. NYC is Papi this Papi that just like Guey in Mexico. PAPITO on the other hand should be used by women only. I believe it means very handsome "male".

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1495188]Agreed. NYC is Papi this Papi that just like Guey in Mexico. PAPITO on the other hand should be used by women only. I believe it means very handsome "male".[/QUOTE]Dudes in the ghetto of my hometown Philadelphia say this also. My white ass was hardly ever there unless I was buying Viagra or trying to smash a Boricua in my back seat. Threw me off at first too. I prefer to copy a South American buddy and call all Latino guys amigo. Not sure if it is old school like "hey man" in America but more my style.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69; 1495182]Was on Cubadave's Facebook page. He has been on the ground in Sosua the past 3 weeks. He indicates that there is a pending court ruling on the future of Sosua. Did anybody hear anything as to what is going on? . Alot of crazy shit happening down there now with the closing of Passions and CMP and even El Valero on the beach (cause they were taking all the customers from the other restaurants). I have reservations for Dec 4th and I am beginning to wonder. Here is the link if you don't already know it.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cubadave-In-Sosua/305520736144572[/url][/QUOTE]Cubadave is going to wind up with his nuts in a ziplock if he does not simmer down and stop gossiping on the internet.

Anybody notice he has not uttered a word for two weeks?
I think he may have finally realized he is now "in the spotlight".

I am going to stick with my pals @ TJ Amigos for advice!

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0#t=44[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1495184]That is not true at all. Papi and Papo aren't only used in romantic ways. They are used in generic ways as well. The same as we say "Hey Player" in the States. You will also hear "Lil' Daddy" or "Lil' Mama" throughout the southern United States from Texas to Georgia. My DR girlfriend's son's name is Jon. I call him Papi Jon as in the pizza place. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation in any place that I have been.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. Its crazy how some people can try to make a negative comment but yet don't have full knowledge of the culture.

If its bad in Mexico don't use it Mexico, when you are in Rome do as the Romans do, we don't make the rules for their language, we should just say Thank you for the guy who cleared this point out so we don't get offended when we hear it.

So the important stuff, with De'Latin putting blinds any changing in the picking up spots. Did the crowed move down the street or same old game?

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1495225]Cubadave is going to wind up with his nuts in a ziplock if he does not simmer down and stop gossiping on the internet.

Anybody notice he has not uttered a word for two weeks?

I think he may have finally realized he is now "in the spotlight"

I could not agree more. Your ordinary American does not have any idea of the true magnitude of this situation. Nothing to be running your mouth about then going right back to Sosua like nothing happen.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1496092][QUOTE=Buscemi; 1495225]Cubadave is going to wind up with his nuts in a ziplock if he does not simmer down and stop gossiping on the internet.

Anybody notice he has not uttered a word for two weeks?

I think he may have finally realized he is now "in the spotlight"

I could not agree more. Your ordinary American does not have any idea of the true magnitude of this situation. Nothing to be running your mouth about then going right back to Sosua like nothing happen.[/QUOTE]I actually found that on his facebook, he posted it yesterday:

" Your friend is right. A small group of businessmen have pushed to change the image of Sosua. The actions that have been taken so far are against the law and in the first court hearing the court ruled in favor of CMP- if CMP wins the battle then things will look good for the future of Sosua as we know it now- the action against CMP was NOT a lawful action and the judge ruled in favor of CMP. Now there is a 3 day period for the judge to allow CMP to reopen. If this happens maybe some of the nonsense will stop. As far as Passions they are still closed and he has tried on several occasions to reopen but has been denied. In the third world there are laws and there are enforcement of the laws, now we must wait to see if the law is enforced."

[QUOTE=Brother P;1494112]I'm glad I booked early! The depiero has rooms for under 50, apts 50ish. Includes brkfast and transpo to and from airport. Also condos dominicano is under 50, I perfer the de piero. I'm sure you can find something in your price range.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestions, I will check them out, in my last trip I stayed couple nights at Chessa, its a little far from the action but I like that the guard takes the I'd from the girl I'm bringing, and give it back to her when I take her out to the gate.

Was in Sosua 2 weeks ago. Met the cutest girl. Back in the room she grabs my cell phone and says for $2, 000 DR ($47 USD) more she will take a video of "us". I know negotiate. But I said sure. She did everything I asked on video. I didn't even know my iPhone took video.

JL.

PS camera doesn't make everything look bigger if you know what I mean

[QUOTE=Eltayeb; 1496092]I actually found that on his facebook, he posted it yesterday:[/QUOTE]Cubadave is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

Do you think whatever administration, or whoever is greasing the wheels and "fucking"with CMP, Passions, D'Latin Drink and Rumba's windows does not know about Cubadave's 1000 youtube videos and Fayboo page?

Put two and two together, this douchebag is going to be extorted at some point, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=J Long; 1496121]Was in Sosua 2 weeks ago. Met the cutest girl. Back in the room she grabs my cell phone and says for $2, 000 DR ($47 USD) more she will take a video of "us". I know negotiate. But I said sure. She did everything I asked on video. I didn't even know my iPhone took video.

JL.

PS camera doesn't make everything look bigger if you know what I mean[/QUOTE]Is that $2000DR plus the price you negotiated on?

He is giving his opinion and having fun I can not be mad at him. I am a different kind of monger but there are plenty of guys who love going to the casas for action. For those guys he is the man. The clubs should be paying him for all the love4 he gives them. He has nothing to worry about.

QUOTE=Buscemi; 1496285]Cubadave is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

Do you think whatever administration, or whoever is greasing the wheels and "fucking"with CMP, Passions, D'Latin Drink and Rumba's windows does not know about Cubadave's 1000 youtube videos and Fayboo page?

Put two and two together, this douchebag is going to be extorted at some point, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1496414].Put two and two together, this douchebag is going to be extorted at some point, just my opinion.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I never met Cuba Dave and don; t care if I do. But if I do I will shake his hand. I've been to Sosua a lot on my own for a few years, but I look forward for any information I can get to know what to expect when I get there, ie. Passions, the beach and etc. Wht criticize him unless you are a hater. He's doing his thing and always share his info, unlike many mongers on ISG. In my opinion, if you are saying so much shit about him on the board, I ask why are you not willing to say it to his face and post a photo of you and him after so we all here know you had the courage to tell him to his face. Otherwise, shut your ***** ass up!

What's up with you guys fucking up quoting one another, LOL? The last one made OldKool look like he said something that his original post never did!

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1496285]Cubadave is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

Do you think whatever administration, or whoever is greasing the wheels and "fucking"with CMP, Passions, D'Latin Drink and Rumba's windows does not know about Cubadave's 1000 youtube videos and Fayboo page?

Put two and two together, this douchebag is going to be extorted at some point, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Extorting him will just prove his point and give credibility to his reports, I don't believe everything he says as I sense some advertising in his reports, but at the same time some of what he says is useful. I listen to everybody, to the honest and to the lair then filter what I think is true.

[QUOTE=ThaKid5;1495473]Thanks for clearing that up. Its crazy how some people can try to make a negative comment but yet don't have full knowledge of the culture.[/QUOTE]It's not a cultural thing, I stand for what I said. There's no need to use ghetto slang just to "fit in", when we talk, we're letting out who we are. If you want to use it, it's your problem. As a Latino who speaks Spanish, I was just trying to help.

Hi folk,

I am planning some vacation in The Dominican Republic around Christmas time until mid January.

I have previously seen photos of girls equipped with numbers performing at a pool. I guess the guest could chose from them and bang them afterwards.

Can anyone here enlighten me in how this concept works, where does it take place and what does it cost you? Do you have to stay a the place where they arrange it in order to chose a girl etc.

Any information would be hihgly appreciated!

Thnsk guys.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1496295]Is that $2000DR plus the price you negotiated on?[/QUOTE]Yes, so $4, 500 DR ($105) for multiple hours of sex- I don't want her to stay all night- and all the video I have room for on my phone.

Those photos are from Blackbeards. I believe they have a weekly contest.

The numbers are so that you know which one to vote for. The chicas get the prizes. All of the girls are available.

I am planning some vacation in The Dominican Republic around Christmas time until mid January.

I have previously seen photos of girls equipped with numbers performing at a pool. I guess the guest could chose from them and bang them afterwards.

Can anyone here enlighten me in how this concept works, where does it take place and what does it cost you? Do you have to stay a the place where they arrange it in order to chose a girl etc.

Any information would be hihgly appreciated!

Thnsk guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guthrie; 1496701]Those photos are from Blackbeards. I believe they have a weekly contest.

The numbers are so that you know which one to vote for. The chicas get the prizes. All of the girls are available.

I am planning some vacation in The Dominican Republic around Christmas time until mid January.

I have previously seen photos of girls equipped with numbers performing at a pool. I guess the guest could chose from them and bang them afterwards.

Can anyone here enlighten me in how this concept works, where does it take place and what does it cost you? Do you have to stay a the place where they arrange it in order to chose a girl etc.

Any information would be hihgly appreciated!

Thnsk guys.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]There's a bikini contest every other Sat. At Blackbeards. Most of the ladies in the contest work at Blackbeards but there are some who are just there to be in the contest. After the show its up to you to snatch up your favorite chica and find out, and its obvious you will have to have a room there to take care of business. Most of the crowd clears out quickly after the contest, but the chicas will use Sat. As a nite to check out early so you have to negotiate before it gets too late on that night.

[QUOTE=Guthrie;1496701]Those photos are from Blackbeards. I believe they have a weekly contest.[/QUOTE]Weekly? I thought it was monthly, but could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Guthrie;1496701]Those photos are from Blackbeards.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. Blackbeards is the oldest established contest (still going) and most regular but other places do the same, either as one-offs or from time to time. Field of Dreams is an obvious example.

[QUOTE=Guthrie;1496701]The numbers are so that you know which one to vote for.[/QUOTE]Let me guess, Guthrie. You are a rocket scientist, right?

[QUOTE=Guthrie;1496701]Can anyone here enlighten me in how this concept works, where does it take place and what does it cost you? Do you have to stay a the place where they arrange it in order to chose a girl etc.[/QUOTE]I assume you are kidding about not knowing how it works. We have covered where. Chicas at Blackbeards and Field of Dreams cost around 1600 pesos short-time and around 3000 the night. Anywhere else might be different.

No, you do not have to be a resident to view the contest at Blackbeards or Field of Dreams. Last time I was at Blackbeards they applied an entry fee (I think it was 200 pesos) to day visitors in a patchy and haphazard sort of way. They did not try it on with me. You don't need to be a resident to rent a chica but you will need to pay extra either to take her off premises (called a "salida") or for short-time use of a room, assuming one is available. Around 800 pesos?

Why anyone would want to pay to watch at Blackbeards, then pay the girl, then pay a salida on top, I cannot imagine. Not a very cost-effective way of mongering.

[QUOTE=Guthrie; 1496701]Those photos are from Blackbeards. I believe they have a weekly contest.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I never understood Black beards policy of picture taking. You can take as many pictures as you want of the bikini contest, but they won't allow you to video tape. Makes no sense to me.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1496751]I never understood Black beards policy of picture taking. You can take as many pictures as you want of the bikini contest, but they won't allow you to video tape. Makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]I didn't know that rule existed. I sure video taped it and nobody said anything to me.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1496427][/QUOTE]I never met Cuba Dave and don; t care if I do. But if I do I will shake his hand. I've been to Sosua a lot on my own for a few years, but I look forward for any information I can get to know what to expect when I get there, ie. Passions, the beach and etc. Wht criticize him unless you are a hater. He's doing his thing and always share his info, unlike many mongers on ISG. In my opinion, if you are saying so much shit about him on the board, I ask why are you not willing to say it to his face and post a photo of you and him after so we all here know you had the courage to tell him to his face. Otherwise, shut your ***** ass up! [/QUOTE]Cuba Dave has for sure put his ass on the line for the cause. When I first started going to the DR it was nice having him there in my living room giving me baby step information which some came in handy on my 1st trip. I think most of us on this board are just concerned for his safety because he still is only looking at Sosua through rose colored glass. For the one's of us that only go there to play it is safe for the most part but when a person decides to get caught up in political shit they see the real side of the DR come out and it might not be good. The only people who know the real deal is people who have lived around there all there lives. I think Cuba Dave only knows as much as they want him to know and I am sure they are not telling him the whole life story from the beginning.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1496427][/QUOTE]I never met Cuba Dave and don; t care if I do. But if I do I will shake his hand. I've been to Sosua a lot on my own for a few years, but I look forward for any information I can get to know what to expect when I get there, ie. Passions, the beach and etc. Wht criticize him unless you are a hater. He's doing his thing and always share his info, unlike many mongers on ISG. In my opinion, if you are saying so much shit about him on the board, I ask why are you not willing to say it to his face and post a photo of you and him after so we all here know you had the courage to tell him to his face. Otherwise, shut your ***** ass up![/QUOTE]Cuba Dave has for sure put his ass on the line for the cause. When I first started going to the DR it was nice having him there in my living room giving me baby step information which some came in handy on my 1st trip. I think most of us on this board are just concerned for his safety because he still is only looking at Sosua through rose colored glass. For the one's of us that only go there to play it is safe for the most part but when a person decides to get caught up in political shit they see the real side of the DR come out and it might not be good. The only people who know the real deal is people who have lived around there all there lives. I think Cuba Dave only knows as much as they want him to know and I am sure they are not telling him the whole life story from the beginning.

It seems like this guy has got caught up in trying to make mongering a career instead of just a hobby. What ever happened to just trying to fuck the girls who were available to be fucked and calling it a day?

This trip on a mission. Found an apt last trip and moving in today. This trip 1st time I ever had this much luggage. But every bag I had was packed to the brim. Back home while texting a couple of chicas I know, I tell them I might need their help getting my place together. Like cleaning or cooking. I talked to the owner prior to coming down, and he said he could have it cleaned for 500 pesos. Done deal, do it! Maybe I don't need them chicas. Plus, what would they expect if I hired them? 500 pesos sounds a lot better than a chica expecting to be paid 1500 pesos or more. Especially if were fucking too.

As expected my ride / rental was a no show at the airport. I had to call and have them come pick me up. And as expected, the driver didn't come in the vehicle I requested. We get to Sosua and my buddy J agreed to help me with my stuff. So he met me on the corner of Pedro Clisante & Dr Rosen. As soon as we turn onto PC, I spotted a cute chica talking to another chica. I took her to Dulce Secreto last trip. She was surprised and happy to see me. She had the look,"Finally a customer". We agree to hook up later.

I get into my spot, and it looks like it's been cleaned. However nobody ever came to me asking for any money for cleaning services. In fact they left a broom and mop in the apt, which I claimed as my starter set. While J is helping me at my place, I get a call from the cutie I bumped into earlier. I guess she couldn't wait. I gave her directions and she arrives by moto. As soon as she gets inside she starts helping me make up the bed. Kinda fitting since I intend to have her in it at some point. After a while I dropped J off, and her and I went out to get some food and brought it back.

This was my juice for the night. We had a pretty intense session. For one I needed get that nuisance nut out of the way, and two we both were more comfortable in my new spot as opposed to being on the clock in a cabana. We would see each other for 2 more nights, a break for one night and then one more night. After that it was time to move on. Chica never cooked. Don't think she can anyway. But she cleaned the spot every day she was there.

Later in the week I was dropping J off at Condos Margarita. I spot the 40 ish woman (Nancy) I had last trip sitting at the bar across the street talking to the bargirl. I was trying to avoid her this trip, but figured it might be impossible. We talk. Now mind you, this woman has a smoking body. Especially her ass. Small titties, but they are perky and stare at you through her shirts. At this point I'm busted. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to get some of that juicy ass. I was to meet up with her later outside of New Garden, and then drive to my spot. But as expected, the chica didn't really know what or where the hell New garden was. And since she was late at least 20 minutes, I was going to leave.

Thats part of my lateness policy I'm sticking to. If a chica isn't on time, I'll give them what I think is reasonable time before I bounce. There was one little problem though. I have another DR phone that I use for backup. She only had that number. So she was calling it, but I couldn't answer it because I had left it in my spot. Whatever, I really didn't want to take her to my spot in the 1st place. Because I knew she would be a pain in the ass afterwards. Especially after seeing my new spot. J was waiting with me, and so I drove him back to his spot.

Guess who shows up on a moto at Condos Margarita? You guessed it. Nancy. I had a feeling she was going to track me down. That seems to be a skill with some of these women. Especially when money is involved. She probably had the moto drive her all over the place looking for me. I take her to my spot. Her head game was pretty good last trip, especially since she doesn't mind CIM with no bolting for the bano. So when she started there I didn't think much off it. But after a while I notice she is working this thing entirely too long. It's time to feel the box, or at least taste it.

Boom she drops a bomb. She claims I can't go down on her because she is finishing her period. This doesn't surprise me with this chick. She does shit and then acts like she is clueless of whats going on. For instance. Last trip she showed up at my hotel door without calling or getting an invite from me to come. Trouble is, I didn't check her on that. Figured it was a one time thing. Wrong. Chick did it again but this time at my new spot. Each occasion I either had no company, or my buddy J was with me. So no harm done. But I can't let her think she can come whenever she feels like it. This time, I put her in check about her coming without calling an especially an invite.

Anyway, she claims she is on her period. This chick tried to pull a number on me. The main thing she was focused on is getting a payday. She wasnt going to let her being on her period stop that from happening. However, I stopped everything. Got her dressed and told her she needed to go. However, she got what she wanted for that moment, because I paid her the agreed 1200 pesos, and walked her out to a moto.

2 days later is when she decided to stop by uninvited. She figured if she wasnt on her period, I would want to fuck her and thus she would have a another pay day from me. But when she showed up, I made it clear she can't come to my spot unless I call her to come. Of course she puts on the "I'm sorry" act. This chick has got a little game in her arsenal of deceit. When she realizes there aint no p4p at this point, she turns and asks for money to buy a sandwich. That could easily be 500 pesos. Because it's unlikely someone would hand her only 150 pesos for her to eat. To that I refused. I'm thinking. I paid you 1200 pesos last time. Buy your own damn sandwich. I think its a game with someof these chichas just to see what they can get out of a guy. And if you agree to buy them something especially after they fucked up, that would be reinforcing a wrong message to them. I decided not to reward her for fucking up. Okay no $ for sandwich. So then the chick asks me for $ for a moto?

I looked at her like she was crazy. You came to my spot on your own dime without an invite and you expect me to pay your transpo to leave? I walked her out to the street, and apparently the moto she came on was still waiting for her at the gate. WTF? She had it all planned on how she was going to get a pay day, or some compensation from me, one way or another. As much as I would have liked to fuck her again. I decided she had fucked herself out of another payday. At least for this trip.

My San Pedro girl showed up on the 12th. So far it's been good. She cooks good, keeps the place clean and the in house juice is great. Only thing is, she is crazy about watching TV. Her novellas, peliculas and assorted spanish programming has her glued for hours. I went out one night to meet up with a chica I have known for a while, but we never hooked up. I always wanted to fuck this chica. She has a nice juicy round ass, and delicious kissable lips.

We meet up at Rockys and since I can't take her to my spot, I was about to take her to a cabana. She tells me her spot is just around the corner. Right next to the Liguor store on PC, there is a small walk path that leads to some rooms. We go to hers. Once inside. It's not long we get right down to business. DFK, DATY, massages. I'm terrible with condoms, I tend to lose the feeling too quickly. So I need someone who can revive junior and give him an incentive to continue. After some decent sex, I can't really feel her anymore. At least the kissing is keeping me going somewhat. She eventually removes the condom, cleans me off, and finishes me off with BBBJCIM. But she bolted to spit. Oh well, it was still good. In the end, this chica saved me a little money by going to her spot. Because I didn't have to drive to or use a cabana.

Afterwards went back to my spot, and had another session with my PT wife.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1496988]Cuba Dave = Sousa for Dummies. Provides a useful service but is starting to get too full of himself.[/QUOTE]He is very helpful for new guys. He sets the table well

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1496952]she turns and asks for money to buy a sandwich. That could easily be 500 pesos. Because it's unlikely someone would hand her only 150 pesos for her to eat. To that I refused. I'm thinking. I paid you 1200 pesos last time. Buy your own damn sandwich. I think its a game with someof these chichas just to see what they can get out of a guy. And if you agree to buy them something especially after they fucked up, that would be reinforcing a wrong message to them. I decided not to reward her for fucking up.[/QUOTE]I like your way of thinking man.

Never reward bad behavior.

I also don't buy a chica a drink at the bar unless we have an agreement set and a good vibe

[QUOTE=Bravo;1496751]I never understood Black beards policy of picture taking. You can take as many pictures as you want of the bikini contest, but they won't allow you to video tape. Makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]
It did make perfect sense once. Maybe obsolescent now.

It originated in earlier days of mongering here. In those days most mongers knew everyone else, either in person or online, and would post chica pictures or exchange them online as a matter of course.

Even the biggest cyber-dunce like myself knows how to conceal the identity of other mongers so not to blow their cover, and I have passed many hours over the years with Photoshop doing just that. But I would not know where to start doing that with video. I imagine it takes a lot of skill or specialized software?

The new breed of monger arriving in mass are as inconsiderate in that as they are in other matters of social behaviour. (Hence the backlash against mongers in Sosua). Most of them are not members of the puta-boards and don't post pictures. If they do, they could not care less (or as Americans illogically say "could care less") about protecting the identity of other gringos who have the misfortune to be in their vicinity.

Videos from the jazz festival and pool party are now posted in the "Gogo forum".

Nice report!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1496952]Her novellas, peliculas and assorted spanish programming has her glued for hours. I went out one night to meet up with a chica I have known for a while, but we never hooked up. I always wanted to fuck this chica. She has a nice juicy round ass, and delicious kissable lips.

We meet up at Rockys and since I can't take her to my spot. My PT wife.[/QUOTE]But really!

Introduction:

I have recently returned from spending time in the north coast of the Dominican Republic. I spent 3 days in Cabarete and 4 days in Sosua. Since Sosua has been covered at nauseam I wanted to view Sosua in contrast with Cabarete comparing the similarities and the differences. Some of the information contained in this synopsis is well known to veteran mongers but new information to others, my objective is to be as informative as possible to all who are interested. Below I have listed my thoughts:

Novice Mongers:

• Bring your own condoms and lube those products are generally inferior in the Dominican Republic.

• Carry any electronics in your carry on in order to avoid damage.

• Be sure to have the address of your lodging you will need it for your immigration paperwork.

• You will need $10. 00 for your tourist card at immigration.

• Carry a color photocopy of your passport once you hit the ground and keep your original secured.

• Call your credit card companies and advise them when and where you will be traveling so your cards do not get declined in case you have to use them on the ground. It is advisable to only use your credit card at ATM's everything else you should use cash.

• Only carry as much money as you think you need. You might want to carry different amounts in different places such as socks, shoes or back pockets in the unfortunate event you are robbed or shook down by La Policia.

• The water is not fit to drink therefore only drink bottled water.

Airfare:

I have noticed different airfares for DR travelers using different airlines. Sometimes airfares are cheaper flying into Santo Domingo & Santiago as opposed to Puerto Plata. Since I am building miles on American Airlines I checked AA routes to all 3 major DR cities and there is no appreciable difference between airfares, therefore it cost approximately the same flying into POP as it would STI or SDQ. YMMV depending on your airline of choice.

Pre-Trip Preparation:

Many of us have become sick during our travels and I am no different. On my last trip I became sick and it almost ruined my vacation. There are conflicting reports but it is reported by some that re-circulated air through the cabin of the aircraft can be the culprit because when a person sneezes that air is re-circulated again. Others report touching tray tables or any other item on the aircraft that may be infected by some ones germs may be the culprit. Regardless as to the reason I decided to build up my immune system by taking Emergen-C and Echinacea & Golden Seal daily a week before my travel. My hope was a strengthened immune system would be able to ward off some of the typical infections that have the potential to spoil my vacation.

Cabarete:

Cabarete is a beach town in the north coast about 20 minutes west of Puerto Plata that is famous for tourism, and For our new members who are unaware the primary difference between Cabarete and Sosua is Cabarete does not have an international reputation for prostitution. PFP exist but is not as obvious as in Sosua. Cabarete is in many ways the reverse of Sosua, with older Euro and Aussie women chasing running young Dominican men, who are called "Sankie Pankies."

Sosua:

Sosua is also a beach town in the north coast about 10 minutes west of Cabarete that is also famous for tourism. The Sosua beach is different from the Cabarete beach because it is a popular destination for snorkeling and scuba diving. Sosua is also a vacation destination for local Dominicans who want to use the beach on the weekends. Sosua's most notable reputation is for being the primary PFP destination in the Dominican Republic.

Hotels:

Kite Beach Inn #5 Cabarete (Calle Principal)

The Kite Beach Inn is just outside Cabarete, it sits on Kite Beach were you can see the kite and wind surfers from the rear of the hotel as well as the balcony which faces the beach. If you use the hotel transportation will be required because it is 5 minutes by moto to Cabarete and 15 minutes by car to Sosua. Walking to Cabarete is doable but not advisable because the road is very narrow and very dark at night. The room reminds me of the basic New Garden rooms just a little more modern. I had good hot water in the shower but I had some WI-FI connectivity problems that were resolved and the air conditioner was not very cold. My room had a balcony that faced the beach which was very convenient for a cool evening if you wanted to chill outside. There was security at night and the front door was closed but not locked at night. There was no safe however the staff was very attentive and helpful, I paid $50. 00 per night.

Mary Rose Apartments Drive Sosua (Alejo Martinez)

Mary Rose is about 5 minutes from El Centro Sosua by car or moto and 15 minutes walking. It is an apart-hotel with a living room, kitchen and bedroom. The grounds were clean and the vibe was laid back especially in the evening when some of the residents gathered around the bar in front of the pool. The hot water was slow and the air conditioner did not cool very well. There was security at night and the front gate had to be open with a key that you received separate from the door key. There was a rooster that let you know when it was sun up and the owner had dogs that made their presence known. If you do not like dogs this would not be your best hotel option as they were very vocal. There was an electronic safe in the bedroom and the staff was very attentive and helpful, I paid $75. 00 per night.

Supermercados:

• Playero. Calle Principle Sosua: Has more selection than Janet's in Cabarete but the prices are about the same.

• Janet's. Calle Principle Cabarete: Not a very extensive selection, if you need some serious shopping you might need to go to La Sirena in Puerto Plata.

Both stores have cell phone stores I was able to get my SIM card and internet, phone and text data for a week for just under 800DP. In the past have misplaced my SIM cards I will definitely keep this one and keep it charged.

• Little New York- Little New York is a convenient store (colmado) just to the left of Mary Rose in Sosua. The selection is small it is no Puerto Plata La Sirena but it will do in a pinch.

Dinero:

• Wells Fargo US: 37-1.

• POP Airport :36-1.

• Casa de Cambio. Sosua: 42-1 *Pedro Clisante across from Rumba's. After my 3rd time changing $100. 00 bills he gave me 4100DP instead of the 4200DP he was supposed to. I called him on it he gave me my 100DP and I moved my business for the rest of the trip to the below listed casa de cambio. In addition he is known to change the rate late at night when the other casa de cambios are closed.

• Casa de Cambio. Sosua 42-1 *Calle DR Rosen across from Rockies.

• Wally Cambio- Cabarete: 42-1 *Calle Principle Cabarete in the center of town.

• Pesos Dollars.

500 $11. 80.

1, 000 $23. 60.

1, 500 $35. 40.

2, 000 $47. 00.

2, 500 $59. 00.

3, 000 $70. 80.

3, 500 $82. 60.

4, 000 $94. 40.

Transportation:

I talked with my taxista for information on transportation cost for those of us who do not want to rent cars. These numbers are ball park and like everything can be negotiated YMMV.

Taxi:

• POP Airport. Sosua $25. 00.

• POP Airport. Cabarete $35. 00.

• POP Airport. Puerto Plata City $35. 00.

• POP Airport. Costumbar (Blackbeards) $45. 00.

• POP Airport. Santiago $100. 00.

• POP Airport- Santo Domingo $200. 00.

• Cabarete. Puerto Plata City $45. 00.

• Cabarete. Sosua $15. 00.

Gua Gua (mini bus run during the day but not at night) Carro Publico (public taxis that run 24/7these are beat up Toyotas & Hondas that may or may not have brakes and the fuel gauges are almost always on empty.)

• Cabarete. Sosua 50DP during the day.

• Sosua. Cabarete Carro Publico after dark if there are no passengers it is totally negotiable. I have paid as little as 200DP and as much as 300DP. You can negotiate with the drivers to take you to many North Coast destinations YMMV depending on your negotiation and Spanish skills.

Motos:

Motoconchos is an in-expensive way to travel but it can be very scary as some of the drivers drive recklessly. Some are drug runners who work with the police so you can play at your own risk. Others are chulos for the chicas. Some are just Dominicanos just hustling to make some pesos.

• Around Cabarete & Sosua 1 way 35. 50DP.

• Cabarete. Sosua. I had a moto driver quote me 150DP while I was waiting for a carro publico. IMHO Cabarete. Sosua is entirely too long to be on a moto (10-15 minutes) Motos are scary enough on short trips but on long trips I definitely recommend 4 wheels over 2 wheels. Moto drivers will hard sell you because they are trying to eat, choose at your own risk.

For those who do not know riding in gua guas and carro publicos can be an adventure. First you experience la cultura de los Dominicanos first hand. Second it is an in-expensive way to travel. Imagine riding in a vehicle equipped for 5 that has 6 people in it and you are the 7th, you are in for a ride. Some drive so fast that the vehicles feel like they are going to tip over. One time the only way I could fit in one was to stick my head out the window because it was so crowded. I remember smelling the fresh country air complete with the scent of cow manure. As a person who has driven luxury and sports cars at home and doesn't use public transportation traveling with them is a humbling experience that I will never forget as long as I live.

Casas de Citas:

• Passions- Pedro Clisante, Sosua: Passions is still closed.

• CMP- Pedro Clisante, Sosua: Caribbean Man's Parades is still closed.

• Elvis- Calle Vello, Cabarete: behind Janet's Supermercado.

I visited Elvis about 2 years ago when I was in Cabarete. The casa is an open air bar with a flatscreen tv over the bar. There are rooms in a house that is next door. There were a half dozen chicas all between 7-8. I remember being told the tarifa was about 1500DP for ST on premises. On my last trip one of their chicas quoted $200. 00 and subsequently went down to $150. 00. Needless to say they won't be seeing any of my money.

Cabarete Night Life:

The beach at Cabarete is absolutely beautiful at night, there is a light breeze and you can hear the waves crashing in the background. You can see a few stars and the pitch black sky. The beach is lit up with Christmas Tree lights and multi-colored lanterns. There are several bars, restaurants and clubs on the beach some have tables and chairs in front and others have couches and lounge chairs. The most notable venues are as follows:

• Ojo Club. Is an open air bar with a large dance floor. I enjoyed this venue more than the others because they consistently played salsa, merengue and bachatta but later on in the night they drifted over to Hip Hop. I don't understand why people travel thousands of miles to the Dominican Republic to eat hamburgers and french fries and listen to Hip Hop music but to each his own.

• Havana Club- Is an open air bar also but much smaller than the Ojo Club with a very small dance floor. The music was a mix between Hip Hop and Reggae with a decent crowd.

• Chino Bar- Is an open air bar and resturant with chairs and couches on the beach, it had a very laid back feel with quite a few couples lunging and talking.

• Eze Bar- Is an open air bar with mostley extranjeros sitting sround talking.

• Lazy Dog. Is an open air bar also but most of the people were sitting outside and the bar was relatively empty.

• Jose Oshay's. Is an outdoor bar also but it had a sports bar feel with tv's outside.

• The was a mix between live music and DJ's playing at the different venues with a variety of music from salsa to rock. The draw back with the clubs at the beach was there was no central meeting place like Sosua's D'Latins. It was a pain walking back and forth in the sand trying to get a good feel so I just settled for the Ojo Club and Havana Club.

• D Pepe Disco Bar-The D Pepe Disco Bar is on Calle Principal located upstairs across the street from Jose O'Shay restaurant and bar. There is 1 bar and 4 pool tables and a dance floor with a stripper pole. The music was bachata and the half dozen chicas that were there were 6 or less a mix between Hatianas and Dominicanas. There was a tin roof and concrete floors, it felt like I was in the middle of the barrio with no trimmings, authentic Dominicano.

My impression was Cabarete night life was a better place for couples with its ambiance than for hunting for chicas.

Sosua Night Life:

The below listed information is for people who are unfamiliar with Sosua. Pedro Clisante has a block where some of the major action occurs in Sosua at night below I have listed the major venues:

• D Latin's. The current primary night tourist bar for Sosua. It gets so crowded around 1 am that you cannot move with ease. If the venue had to meet US fire code standards it would be shut down as a fire hazard during busy time. If there was ever a fire or large disturbance and you were in the wrong location of the club you would be stuck. I recommend staying close to the doors. It was formally and open air bar with a very small dance floor. Now D' Latins has tinted glass all around and 3 front doors that serve as entrances and exits. There are ceiling fans and large fans near the 3 doors that help to circulate the outside air in. As long as you stay in the path of the fans you can stay comfortable. The music is a mix between American and local.

• Rumba's. The primary afternoon and early evening tourist bar for Sosua. Sometimes it gets so crowded that there is very little space for movement. The venue has a open air sports bar feel with multiple flat screen TV's. The is a small dance floor next to the DJ booth. The frames for the glass is up but at the time of this report they have no glass. The music is a mix between American and local.

• El Flow. The primary local bar on Pedro Clisante. There is a bar backroom and tables. The venue has been closed in and has transparent glass on the outside. The music is local a mix between bachata, merengue and salsa.

• Merengue. Classicos. Merengue is the downstairs open air bar next to Classicos which is totally enclosed upstairs on the second floor. Classicos was closed at the time of this report. Merengue has a circular bar with chairs that surround it and chairs and tables along the outer perimeter of the bar. Since there is no music it is an excellent place to conduct interviews because you don't have to contend with excessive noise.

• Bar Central. Is Haitian Headquarters and chocolate city, it is the bar that most Hatianas hang at. The bar is has a open front and is not really a place where people listen to music and dance but it more like a meeting place. At the time of this report there was no glass and just a frame.

• Winners Circle- Is a sports bar that is totally enclosed with transparent glass on the outside. The bar is a place to drink meet and listen to music but it is not very large it also can serve as a good place to interview or chill with a chica or your friends.

• The Spot- Is a sports bar type venue that is totally enclosed with transparent glass on the outside. The bar is a place to drink meet and listen to music but it is not very large it also can serve as a good place to interview or chill with a chica or your friends if the music is not too loud.

• El Toro- Was a famous bar on the strip that is now closed.

For night owls in Sosua:

Night owls have 3 major venues they can attend after 3am. You are likely to see some of the same people you have seen on the strip.

• After One- Should be called After 3 because it doesn't open until 3 am. It is located in the same building as the Sosua Bay Casino. There is a 100 peso cover by some of the same security that you see in D Latin's. The music is a mix of techno, local and American. The venue has 2 bars. 2 dance floors and 2 balconies.

• Carpirina- Is an outdoor venue with a bar and tables and chairs on the lawn outside. It is on a side street off Aliejo Martinez.

• Copacabana (Chelo). Is an outdoor venue with a bar and tables and chairs on the lawn outside. It is on a side street off Aliejo Martinez after you pass Carpirina.

La Comida Cabarete:

The Kite Beach Inn currently does not have a restaurant so I ate most of my meals on the restaurants on Cabarete beach. I enjoyed eating on the beach because the weather was decent with a nice breeze and the sound of waves crashing behind me was like music to my ears. The 2 problems I had were the dogs that expected you to feed them and the touts selling their trinkets who I had mixed emotions towards, part of me was annoyed and part of me felt compassion because that is the only way they eat. I realize how fortunate I am.

• Desayuno. Extream Hotel restaurant I had the "Boston Breakfast" with eggs, home fries, turkey bacon, sausage and 1 pancake. The presentation was outstanding on the plate and it was equally delicious especially the pancake but it wasn't enough, it was 300DP.

• Almuerzo- Kahuna restaurant I had a "Cesar Salad Wrap" and side salad. The wrap was very tasty with flakey soft bread and the chicken was tender with just the right amount of Cesar Salad dressing it was quite tangy, it was 400DP.

• Cena- Jose O'Shay's restaurant I had I think they called it "Pollo Maja". Chicken covered with tomatoes, rice and mixed vegetables. It looked better than it tasted it was 700DP.

La Comida Sosua:

Sosua has beach restaurants like Cabarete but I did not partake. The restaurants in town are far more diverse than in Cabarete there is everything from expensive Italian to "comida tipico." The restaurants are too many to count, there is also street food for those who want to eat inexpensively. Below I have listed some of my dining experiences in Sosua:

• Desayuno. Rocky's restaurant I had #50 eggs, bacon, ham and a pancake with a banana. The pancake with a banana was a different flavor that reminded me of when my aunt used to take old bananas and mix them in her pancake batter for some delicious pancakes. I believe the cost was 225DP.

• Almuerzo- Chez Mon Real restaurant I had the smoked salmon salad which reminded me of ceviche, because the salmon was not hot the way I normally eat it. The smoked flavor illuminated the fish taste and it was absolutely delicious. It was 300DP.

• Cena- The Victorian House Cajun Restaurant I had the Mai Mai with brown rice. The Mai Mai was thick and juicy the rice was spicy with just enough kick to make you want to wash it down with your favorite beverage. It was 750DP.

Other eating options:

• Baily's. My trips to Sosua would not be complete without eating crepes de helado especially on a hot day they are very refreshing. I paid 350DP.

• Hot Resturante en Merengue. Merengue only used o have pizzas back in the day but now they have a restaurant with snack items, burgers, wings etc. I had the Quesadas which were great the chicken was tender and spicy. I paid 250DP.

• Copacabana (Chelo). I had Sopa de pollo con arroz. It tasted like sancocho without the corn different meats and yucca. It hit the spot at 5 in the morning. It was 100DP.

Cabanas:

Cabanas are short time love motels that are used as a sex get away. You drive a car into the "garage" and they close a curtain behind the car. Then you enter the room. Any food and drink etc, are delivered via a box in the wall and tunnels between rooms so they put stuff in the box, ring a bell and leave, and then you open the door on your side of the box and get your stuff.

Cabana Costa Mar outside Cabarete:

Cabana Costa Mar on Calle Principal right after you pass Janet's Supermarcado leaving Cabarete. I unwittingly got the Jacuzzi room for 1000DP for 4 hours. I was looking for the basic room but as fate would have it I thoroughly enjoyed the room and my company. The room had piped in music but I had no idea how to change the station. The room has a sitting area to your left when you walk in and big king size bed and 30 inch flat screen television hanging on the wall. My only complaint was the cable wasn't getting a signal but then again I was not there to watch television. The Jacuzzi was great the jets felt good and the room had a great aesthetic feel to it.

Dulce Secreto Sosua near Playa Chikita:

Dulce Secreto is a cabana style apart hotel that is within walking distance of Hotel Voramar. It is a 20 minute walk from el centro Sosua and a 5 minute moto ride. Inside the complex there are several garage doors, you go inside the garage close the door and walk upstairs to your room. The rooms are very nice with condoms, candy, soap and towels on the bed. There is a flat screen TV for your viewing pleasure. There is a turn style inside the room where money is exchanged and you never have to see the staff. The tarifa is 590DP for 4 hours of time.

I wanted to go during my most recent Sosua visit but it just didn't work out. My intention was to use the cabana for my ST's with women that I didn't know especially if I didn't get a vibe that I could trust them.

Chicas:

Both Cabarete and Sosua have freelance PFP action. The primary problem with freelancers is there is no one for them to be accountable to like those who work in the casas are accountable to their mamasans. This lack of accountability subjects the monger to the whims of the chica. (I. E. A chica could work during her menstruation and not tell you until you get to the hotel. Under those circumstances you have to determine the best way to handle the situation for you.)

One of my favorite sayings is "quien tienes mas poder un hombre con dinero o una mujer con sexo?" (Who has more power a man with money or a woman with sex?) Mongers who travel to Sosua are sometimes paying ridiculous prices because they have no idea how much power they have. Consumers have a role to play in retail prices in the same way mongers have a say in the Sosua sex market. I suspect the problem in part has been the popularity of Sosua as a sex tourism destination which in turn has brought many travelers who are unaware of the Sosua market and pay whatever the chica ask.

Sosua Tier System:

Apparently there is a tier system for the chicas in Sousa, yes there are levels to this thing just like. Chicas rate themselves according to how they perceive themselves and any other factors they consider important such as experience etc. For example:

• Chica #A perceives herself to be a 9 because she has long natural hair and she is from Santiago she might want 3000DP for ST and 5000DP for TLN.

• Chica #B is a Sosua veteran and she perceives herself o be a 8 she might want 2500DP for ST and 4000DP for TLN.

• Chica #C is just in transit and not a part of the system and she may expect 1500DP for ST and 2500DP for TLN.

The above listed are simply examples. The problem with the tier system is that it is totally subjective and submission to it gives the chicas more power than I believe they deserve. It is always wisdom on our part to pay what WE believe the chica is valued at and not what she believes she is valued at unless it meets our criteria. I do believe with experience you can look at a Sosua chica and reasonably guess what she expects and negotiate accordingly.

Tarifas: Reasonable tarifas for the Sousa sex market should be as follows:

• Short Time ST. 1000-2000DP.

• All night TLN 1500-3000DP (As a rule you should avoid committing to TLN with a chica you just met because you may not have sufficient chemistry to stay the night.)

What you pay will depend on a myriad of factors to include:

• Chemistry and your ability to speak Spanish.

• How attractive you are to the chica you choose (chicas have preferences also sometimes they quote outrageous tarifas because they don't want to be bothered.)

• Day of the week and time of day (The weekend at Rumba is prime time whereas The beginning of the week at After 1 should get you lower tarifa)

• What's going on in the chicas life is she hungry or is she holding out for the big payday.

Observations:

• I saw some chicas with the new Samsung Galaxy Note and I was like "WTF you doing with that damn phone?"

• Dominicanas love their hair and don't be messin with it while you're having sex.

• Some of the oldies who have been on the strip for a while are getting quite thick. Life must be good.

• Early in the week there were a lot of 5's out but toward the end of the week I saw some beautiful women.

• The gay and transgendered population is increasing in Sosua, the world is really changing. I saw I guy with what was apparently a transvestite. Why a man wants to be with a man that looks like a woman is beyond me.

• Apparently checking I'd's is good thing. At D' Latin's. I saw a cute little Bonita that looked to be 21 walk in the door and after security checked her I'd he sent her packing. It is hard to tell the ages of these girls sometimes.

• While in D Latin's I saw this real old looking chica I guess you can call her a mujer talking to 2 younger looking chicas. They were listening intensely and following her around like she was their Master Jedi. Apparently there is an apprenticeship for putaism.

• Why do chicas think we want to spend money on them when they have a stink attitude and a funk face?

• I noticed how many of the chicas interact with other Dominicanos especially the motoconchos as well as La Policia. In those instances I suspect the possibility of collusion.

• I like it when a chica looks at me and says "wha happon?" with that thick Dominican accent.

Conclusion:

Both Cabarete and Sosua are like sisters who are similar but different. They are both small beach towns that are primarily known for tourism. Cabarete has more of a tourist feel because of its international reputation for windsurfing and kite boarding which brings a more diverse group of tourist from as far away as Australia. The weather on Cabarete beach is more comfortable because of the breeze but the touts selling their trinkets can be quite annoying. Sosua beach has touts also but they are primarily situated at the entrance to the beach and after you get through the gauntlet of "my fren" you can generally enjoy yourself in peace.

For the mongering standpoint there is very little comparison between the 2 locations. Cabarete has PFP but it is less visible and the caliber of the chicas is not to the level of Sosua. Sometimes chicas will prefer to do their PFP in Cabarete because the competition is less fierce and in general there is a different demographic of tourist in Cabarete as opposed to Sosua. There are fewer fish in the Cabarete pond than the Sosua pond but IMHO fishing in the Cabarete pond is a worth-while if only for the experience to be able to say "been there done that!" In addition, Cabarete is a good diversion to Sosua because it does not have much of the negative scrutiny that Sosua has. Finally the best purpose for Cabarete for the single male traveler is a place to take a date, if she is not impressed with Cabarete beach at night you might need another woman.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257; 1497446]Introduction:

I have recently returned from spending time in the north coast of the Dominican Republic. I spent 3 days in Cabarete and 4 days in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the great detailed report!

[QUOTE=Camaro1257; 1497446]Both Cabarete and Sosua are like sisters who are similar but different. They are both small beach towns that are primarily known for tourism. Cabarete has more of a tourist feel because of its international reputation for windsurfing and kite boarding which brings a more diverse group of tourist from as far away as Australia. The weather on Cabarete beach is more comfortable because of the breeze but the touts selling their trinkets can be quite annoying. Sosua beach has touts also but they are primarily situated at the entrance to the beach and after you get through the gauntlet of "my fren" you can generally enjoy yourself in peace.

For the mongering standpoint there is very little comparison between the 2 locations. Cabarete has PFP but it is less visible and the caliber of the chicas is not to the level of Sosua. Sometimes chicas will prefer to do their PFP in Cabarete because the competition is less fierce and in general there is a different demographic of tourist in Cabarete as opposed to Sosua. There are fewer fish in the Cabarete pond than the Sosua pond but IMHO fishing in the Cabarete pond is a worth-while if only for the experience to be able to say "been there done that!" In addition, Cabarete is a good diversion to Sosua because it does not have much of the negative scrutiny that Sosua has. Finally the best purpose for Cabarete for the single male traveler is a place to take a date, if she is not impressed with Cabarete beach at night you might need another woman.[/QUOTE]Next time I'm in Cabarete, I'm going to look for p4p. Because I swear I have never observed it. I believe someone we both know had a little p4p in Cabarete at is hotel. As I recall he kinda got hustled. Some chica he met near his hotel quoted him something like 200 pesos for services. Then after the deed is done and it's time for her to go, she claims she meant 2000 pesos, not 200 pesos. He ended up paying her the 2000. We talked about it. And we both agreed. Any chica offering a ridiculously low price for services, that offer is too good to be true.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1497446]Carro Publico (public taxis that run 24/7these are beat up Toyotas & Hondas that may or may not have brakes and the fuel gauges are almost always on empty.)[/QUOTE]Very good report.

Just as a point of interest, many of the taxis run on propane which is kept in a tank in the trunk and has a different fuel gauge, usually underneath the steering column. This may be why you have seen fuel gauges on empty.

I just got back from a week in Sosua. Thanks to CubaDave for all the intel: I brought many power

Bars which helped me through the hungry times.

I stayed at Rockys for $27 / night which is about as cheap as I would get. The rooms were basic, and AC was an extra $10.

Per day. Will spend more next time. Book early!

In the 6 nights, I slept with 3 girls, and one of them two nights.

When I got there on Sunday, I went to Rumba's early. The NFL game was loud, and there were many guys there at 5pm.

I met a girl that looked nice, and I needed to release the load I saved up for 3 days. I was unfamiliar with the.

Scene, but said what the F. We went back, and she became all business. She gave a decent BBBJ, but then for sex, she.

Only wanted mish, and I had to beg her to get on top. NO Doggy allowed. What a jip. So I became somewhat guarded after that.

I saw her out a few times during the week, and wanted to warn the guys she was with, but didn't want drama. She looked ute and petite, and did well for herself, but was all business. But a good BBBJ was worth the 1500p.

A few nights later, I talked to an old timer monger and he said I needed to find an average looking girl that seemed nice.

So I did, and she was good. Again, a great BBBJ, but kind of average body. She was fun though. I saw her the next night,

And she pursued me, so I took her back and did almost the same routine. She allowed CIM, with spit, which was nice.

My last night in Sosua, I said I needed to find one of the real hotties I saw out. They often rolled into Rumbas 3-deep,

With huge attitudes, not catching your glance, and wanting you to pursue them! Imagine that, having to pursue a girl in

Sosua! LOL! I was sitting at El Flow, watching the action at Rumba's, and a gringo was yelling at a local girl because she.

Made a RFM (request for money). He probably banged her, then she asked for additional money. He stormed out, and I talked to

Her, and she seemed nice.

I came up with a plan to tell if a girl is cut throat: ask her to go to another place and see how her attitude changes.

So I asked this girl if she wanted a coffee, and she said ok. So I took her down the street to a German joint, and she.

Was fine. So I felt ok with her, and took her home. She was thicker than I normally like, but it has its benefits. She.

Could take a pounding! I F'd her hard, and long. She took all 6 inches, without any problem, and the harder I f'd her,

The more she loved it! She was a lot more fun than the petite chicks! And again, she did a great BBBJ without having to.

Be asked!

All in all, it is a low-stress, and accessible city in our backyard (4 hours from NY). IMO, there are better cities (Manila.

For example) for girls, but Sosua is close, and easy! I will def. Go back if I can.

Here are some observations I made during my week in Sosua for others to learn from:

-girls complain of there being 'mafia' in Rumbas which are pimps that oversee the girls.

-there are few scams (theft, or short changing you etc.). One scam I did see: a local guy or a girl will come up to you at a bar, and.

Say 'you don't remember me from your hotel? I clean your room! Buy me a beer? ' Walk away.

-there seems to be alot of NYPD (ie cops from NY) in sosua. Don't know why.

-there is a huge 'no shame' element to the locals. For example, I brought a bag of halloween candy for the kids, and when.

I gave a kid a piece, some parents chased me down the street saying 'I have 2 more babies at home'. Lame!

-my sample size was only 3, but I think DR girls are skilled at BJ's compared to girls from other countries. Nice!

-there are some scary teenage boys that beg aggressively, and hang out in front of bars hasseling gringos.

-girls never talked about rate for all night, just an hour. I would be scared to have them there all night due to drama/

Theft etc.

-many families and gringo girls are there, but stay in all inclusive places usually.

-most mongers are either older white guys, or young hip hopper black guys. There is definately a hip-hop feel to the main.

Bars: Rumbas and D-latins. Many girls have the right look for them: big asses etc.

-the weekends are alot rowdier: more people, louder, more drama.

-the generic viagra etc from the pharmacy were fine, and worked! Shop around as prices often vary.

-the town is very walkable, and it is not far to go to the beach etc.

-I saw a few gringo girls who looked like they were dating the local guys. Some of them were pretty enough to where I

Would have dated them. But what is good for the goose is.

-the beach is good, and there is some coral to snorkel. There are many vendors, asking you to buy.

-the beach has a long row of shops / restaurants. There are girls up there to meet etc. There are none down near the chairs

And water. Sit at a table near the shops and make eyes at girls and you can meet them there during the day.

-POP airport is quick and easy, and is 15 minutes from sosua.

-guys talk about 'call girls' who have regulars, and don't need to go to the bars. I saw them riding around on motoconchos.

And they seemed pretty. I came to suspect the girls in the bars either arent attactive enough, or don't have businesss skills.

Good enough to have repeat business, or just have the look the hip-hopper tourists like but arent to be there long enough.

To provide repeat business.

-It seems hard to meet local, non-pro girls for sex. There was a Cute waitress that I liked, but didn't want to embarrass.

Me / her by asking her out. She has to know it is for sex as I am to be there for only a few nights.

-seems like many old timer mongers sit in bars / restaurants across from Rumbas / D'Latins as those bars are too loud / rowdy.

-the locals like to shake hands, so bring hand sanitizer to stay healthy.

-Casa Valeria (next to new garden hotel) has a good $5/200p breakfast.

-the cooking oil used throughout the town seems very unhealthy. If you have high cholesterol, don't eat the French

Fries etc.

-the begging / salesmen is extreme. Be ready to say 'no' 50x's per day on average.

-the time there is a lot funnier if you go out and look to make friends etc with other mongers / bar owners / local girls etc and.

See where that takes you. The bar girls are a sure thing, and it is not fun to pursue them. Befriend the local non-pro.

Girls and see where that gets you. Might get you laid with a non-pro that is to seem much more like a 'conquest gone-right'.

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[QUOTE=Camaro1257; 1497446]Observations:

• I saw some chicas with the new Samsung Galaxy Note and I was like "WTF you doing with that damn phone?"

• The gay and transgendered population is increasing in Sosua, the world is really changing. I saw I guy with what was apparently a transvestite. Why a man wants to be with a man that looks like a woman is beyond me.[/QUOTE]I remember mentioning something similar about the phone situation a year ago. There is a fair amount of conspicuous consumption in Sosua. As far as the gay thing, what people do is their own business. That being said, Sosua has become more of a bottom feeder monger destination for SIMPS, manginas, captain save-a-hoes, muscle heads walking around in wife beaters who speak no Spanish and know nothing about the culture, CD zombies from Costa Rica, etc. so I expect to increasingly see more unappealing stuff whenever I go there. LOL

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1497571]I remember mentioning something similar about the phone situation a year ago. There is a fair amount of conspicuous consumption in Sosua[/QUOTE]The chica I was with a month a go asked me about my Note 3 phone and said she had to have one. Really? You live in a tiny room (not even an apartment) why do you need the latest phone? Better to save the money so you can get the hell out of DR someday. Dominicans tend to think for the "now" and not the future. A smart chica would hoe it up from 18-21, avoid the pregnancy trap, save at least 30% of everything she made and hook a good American simp to move her to the states. A pricey phone won't help your situation when you're stuck in the third world.

Also there are waaay too many dudes now over paying and simping from abroad. These girls shouldn't have 2013 phones. LOL

[QUOTE=]• I saw some chicas with the new Samsung Galaxy Note and I was like "WTF you doing with that damn phone?"[/QUOTE]Could be a copy, which goes for a fraction of the price, and not the original Note. The only way you are able to tell the difference between a lot of them here in Asia is to check the internals. What costs all of the money on those type of electronics is the processor. Copies are made with shitty processors which brings the price down a hell of a lot. Not to mention the fakies don't have the advertising costs rolled into the price like the real companies have. You can get a tablet here for $50. It won't be a real Galaxy Tab, but how many lay users would even know the difference with the case saying Galaxy Tab and all? It's the same with those off name motorbikes that they have in the DR.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1497602]The chica I was with a month a go asked me about my Note 3 phone and said she had to have one. Really? You live in a tiny room (not even an apartment) why do you need the latest phone? Better to save the money so you can get the hell out of DR someday. Dominicans tend to think for the "now" and not the future. A smart chica would hoe it up from 18-21, avoid the pregnancy trap, save at least 30% of everything she made and hook a good American simp to move her to the states. A pricey phone won't help your situation when you're stuck in the third world.

Also there are waaay too many dudes now over paying and simping from abroad. These girls shouldn't have 2013 phones. LOL[/QUOTE]Whenever women from less fortunate countries mention wanting these high tech gadgets I ask them if they have a business to run and how much money they are going to be able to make by using that particular device. I also ask them what they plan on doing with it that they can't do with the device they already have. Save money though MB? And 30% at that? These hookers are not living off the fat of the land. They do not have a guaranteed income to be able to do something like that. Just because you go down and give them $50, well you have to understand that they are getting those $50 few and far in between and not just when they feel like having it. As you have read on here many times, DR is a buyers' market. There are too few pesos to go around to far too many hookers.

I have been trying to learn Spanish to build my communicate when I return to the DR. I understand in different Spanish countries the dialect and ways of pronouncing words change.

Which is more appropriate in conversational DR Spanish? Do you speak English= Sabes Ingles or habla usted Ingles. I am here= Yo estoy aqui or Estoy aqui. The Prospanish on youtube I have been learn from never uses the word Yo. Is that diferente to Dominican Spanish. Is the word decir "to say" pronounced dether or decir. I just want to talk the normal conversational DR Spanish.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1497655]Could be a copy, which goes for a fraction of the price, and not the original Note.[/QUOTE]You would be surprised at the number of pendejos that bring their "fiance" brand new iPhone 5's right out of the box from New York.
It is what it is, then they drop off their papi @ the airport, and wait at the gate for their novio on the next inbound JetBlue flight.
You know the "lose" the phone in a few weeks when money gets tight.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1497602]The chica I was with a month a go asked me about my Note 3 phone and said she had to have one. Really? You live in a tiny room (not even an apartment) why do you need the latest phone? Better to save the money so you can get the hell out of DR someday. Dominicans tend to think for the "now" and not the future. A smart chica would hoe it up from 18-21, avoid the pregnancy trap, save at least 30% of everything she made and hook a good American simp to move her to the states. A pricey phone won't help your situation when you're stuck in the third world.

Also there are waaay too many dudes now over paying and simping from abroad. These girls shouldn't have 2013 phones. LOL[/QUOTE]Yeah I just came back from Brazil 2 weeks ago, The Women are 100% times more beautiful and they are good in bed, Some of the best nuts I ever had in my life.

Sosua is a so wack now and its getting more expensive because all these captain save a hoes and simp want to save a prostitute.

Brazil Sosua. This December will be my last trip to Sosua. After that only Brazil, Columbia and Asia for me.

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1497778]You would be surprised at the number of pendejos that bring their "fiance" brand new iPhone 5's right out of the box from New York.

It is what it is, then they drop off their papiatthe airport, and wait at the gate for their novio on the next inbound JetBlue flight.

You know the "lose" the phone in a few weeks when money gets tight.[/QUOTE]Buscemi I have even seen guy give expensive cell as a tip then complain the girl gave bad service

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1497778]You would be surprised at the number of pendejos that bring their "fiance" brand new iPhone 5's right out of the box from New York.

It is what it is, then they drop off their papiatthe airport, and wait at the gate for their novio on the next inbound JetBlue flight.

You know the "lose" the phone in a few weeks when money gets tight.[/QUOTE]Count me as the one who have taken cell phones to give to girls. Not expensive. I buy cheap at amazon but they are decent phones. I consider it as a gift to girls who say they could not afford a phone.

It is really true they are poor. It does not matter to me if they have other boyfriends. It is impossible to track them unless you live with them 24-7.

The term " I lost my phone " is not really true. They are not stupid enough to loose an expensive phone. Usually given to her friend or most likely pawned or sold.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1497803]I consider it as a gift to girls who say they could not afford a phone.[/QUOTE]Could not afford "a" phone? Or could not afford "an iPhone"? The cheapest phone I have ever bought in the DR was a small palm-sized Acatel for about 700-800 pesos at the Orange store. Could have been less than that, but I don't remember. All I needed was something that could receive and place calls.

You guys brining them Blackberries and iPhones are just spoiling them. Has nothing to do with her being too poor to afford a phone. The only thing true about that statement is that she cannot afford the iPhone or Blackberry that her amigas got from their gringo bobos, lmao!

It's the same way when dealing with your kids when they "need" new shoes. Do they want the cheap "but one, get one free" pair from Payless? Or the Air Jordan's?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1497777]Which is more appropriate in conversational DR Spanish? Do you speak English= Sabes Ingles or habla usted Ingles. I am here= Yo estoy aqui or Estoy aqui. The Prospanish on youtube I have been learn from never uses the word Yo. Is that diferente to Dominican Spanish. Is the word decir "to say" pronounced dether or decir. I just want to talk the normal conversational DR Spanish.[/QUOTE]1. Hablas Ingles?

2. Estoy aqui. (the yo is understood without saying it).

3. Decir. You aren't in Spain.

I did the same without an extra peso for video recording, only tips for a good performance.

[QUOTE=J Long;1496594]Yes, so $4, 500 DR ($105) for multiple hours of sex- I don't want her to stay all night- and all the video I have room for on my phone.[/QUOTE]

After hearing that ' no camera rule' is a deal breaker, she might agree.

Give her a Halloween mask if she's a face shy LOL.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1493765]Question for my curiosity.

Do you guys have any strategies for getting chicas to take nude pics / video?[/QUOTE]

German FKK normally charge 50 euros (2900 pesos) for half an hour session, and sometimes they have half price specials.

No GFE though, but biggest FKKs have great ethnic variety.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1492259]+1.

Head on over to Europe where it costs $100 an hour and sometimes more if you want a GFE.

Always a good idea to negotiate, but if you really want to bang the girl and she's sticking to her price and you're able to afford it. Go for it. If it's a bad experience, oh well. If it's a good experience, you won't be thinking "geez, I just shot my load and am satisfied but man. I wish I would have paid $10 less."

Most of these girls will get picked out quick by just standing there, or by walking around since all mongerers walking around Sosua are eyeing just a about every girl that passes by. The ones that look good know it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1497848]Give her a Halloween mask if she's a face shy.[/QUOTE]I find it funny when women allow front facial non nude shots, but wear masks or their faces are blurred during nude / sex photos-thinking people don't know its the same person.

[QUOTE=David_33; 1497814]1. Hablas Ingles?

2. Estoy aqui. (the yo is understood without saying it).

3. Decir. You aren't in Spain.[/QUOTE]Correct. Hablas ingles or habla usted ingles. Are you saying there's no need to say yo when speaking in first person and conjunction with a verb. 3. Decir is it a word only used in Spain.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1497875]Correct. Hablas ingles or habla usted ingles. Are you saying there's no need to say yo when speaking in first person and conjunction with a verb. 3. Decir is it a word only used in Spain.[/QUOTE]Decir is the verb "to say" and is used everywhere Spanish is spoken.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1497952]Decir is the verb "to say" and [b]is used everywhere Spanish is spoken[/b].[/QUOTE]This is correct.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1497968]This is correct.[/QUOTE]He asked if it was decir or dethir. Which is the Spanish pronunciation with the lisp. Hence I said its decir because he isn't in Spain. You don't have to stick on the yo or the tu or the Ud. Because you have already conjugated the verb. You can do it, but its not necessary.

I have brought two friends brand new iPhones while in DR as Christmas presents. Both working girls who I have great understandings and funny as hell relationships with. In purchasing them, it was in knowing that not only was I providing telephone but broadband access for them. Both have data and voice plans they pay monthly. Well we pay it. One tricks out of both pants legs with it and the other Facebooks any and everything.

Point is. As in most low income situations, the phone is simply not a phone its a laptop proxy as well. A cell phone maybe at times more important than the minor inconvenience of no electricity for day or two.

[QUOTE=David_33;1497999]He asked if it was decir or dethir. Which is the Spanish pronunciation with the lisp. Hence I said its decir because he isn't in Spain. You don't have to stick on the yo or the tu or the Ud. Because you have already conjugated the verb. You can do it, but its not necessary.[/QUOTE]When David says Spanish, he doesn't mean the language, he means the location. If you are ever in Spain you will hear Barcelona pronounced as Barthelona, the same as GrownMan is asking about pronouncing decir as dethir. One reason why if you are studying the language to choose your lessons in Latin American Spanish and not Spain Spanish. The same holds true for Portuguese from Portugal or Brazil or English from England or America. There are many differences among each set.

Verb conjugation is a whole other animal. I think most monger guys trying to "home learn" these different languages do not understand this because many times I will hear guys using the first person singular present indicative form of the verb for anything and not just for the first person singular present indicative. This will make them sound as such: I am, You am, He/She/It am, We am, You (plural) am. You can see how ridiculous this is by the English example. Well it is the same ridiculous when guys are trying to speak Spanish without proper conjugation of the verb. This is by far what gives students of foreign languages the most trouble. (One easy thing about learning Thai is that verbs don't have to be conjugated.)

When people are trying to learn a language I suggest buying a used first year high school or college textbook from Amazon, buying a big dictionary, buying a copy of 501 verbs along with any audio lessons they can get their hands on.

[QUOTE=David_33;1497999]He asked if it was decir or dethir. Which is the Spanish pronunciation with the lisp. Hence I said its decir because he isn't in Spain. You don't have to stick on the yo or the tu or the Ud. Because you have already conjugated the verb. You can do it, but its not necessary.[/QUOTE]Ah, I thought "dethir" might have been a typo, LOL. Gotcha.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1498083]One easy thing about learning Thai is that verbs don't have to be conjugated.[/QUOTE]Same for Haitian Kreyòl. Also no gender, singular / plural, no irregularities or exceptions, only one way to pronounce each letter, and many other simplifications.

The downside is that the language is too basic to translate Shakespeare's sonnet with any subtlety, but that is not a common aim of mongers.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1497807]Could not afford "a" phone? Or could not afford "an iPhone"? The cheapest phone I have ever bought in the DR was a small palm-sized Acatel for about 700-800 pesos at the Orange store. Could have been less than that, but I don't remember. All I needed was something that could receive and place calls.

You guys brining them Blackberries and iPhones are just spoiling them. Has nothing to do with her being too poor to afford a phone. The only thing true about that statement is that she cannot afford the iPhone or Blackberry that her amigas got from their gringo bobos, lmao!

It's the same way when dealing with your kids when they "need" new shoes. Do they want the cheap "but one, get one free" pair from Payless? Or the Air Jordan's?[/QUOTE]I understand your point. These days all the girls know about phones. It is hard to fool them with cheap phones. If it is some brand name with camera it is good. Do not want her saying this phone is not good.

Especially if you are staying with the girl few days you want to make her happy so that you get good service.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1498187]I understand your point. These days all the girls know about phones. It is hard to fool them with cheap phones. If it is some brand name with camera it is good. Do not want her saying this phone is not good.[/QUOTE]Phones are a "status symbol" to them much like they are in the US to us, but in a different way. They (the chicas) are all poor, but at the same time do not want to be seen as poor. A chica with an iPhone 5 or a Samsung Galaxy wants her friends to see her as someone who gets enough clients to be able to afford one. A success.

A chica with a "cheapie cheapie" phone (in the puta social circle) is seen as someone who does not get much business and therefore is unattractive. May not be the case in reality (maybe she spends her money wisely on tuition and her family) , but it is always looks (perception) that counts the most.

Some hot newbie chicas start off with a cheapie cheapie phone, and once she gets some Sosua fame and a few Western Union novios, moves up to the more expensive smart phones.

Verb conjugation is a whole other animal. I think most monger guys trying to "home learn" these different languages do not understand this because many times I will hear guys using the first person singular present indicative form of the verb for anything and not just for the first person singular present indicative. This will make them sound as such: I am, You am, He / She / It am, We am, You (plural) am. You can see how ridiculous this is by the English example. Well it is the same ridiculous when guys are trying to speak Spanish without proper conjugation of the verb. This is by far what gives students of foreign languages the most trouble. (One easy thing about learning Thai is that verbs don't have to be conjugated.)

When people are trying to learn a language I suggest buying a used first year high school or college textbook from Amazon, buying a big dictionary, buying a copy of 501 verbs along with any audio lessons they can get their hands on / QUOTE]Couldn't agree more with the above regarding the majority of gringos trying to speak Spanish. For those who can afford it, Rosetta Stone has worked wonders for me without a lot of books, etc. As it is helpful in reading Spanish, pronunciation, conjugating the verbs, learning what the conjugated verbs sound like, all with pictures, etc.

i was checking cuba dave's sosua fb page and someone referenced this article:

[url]http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/11/is_carnival_cruise_lines_pushi.php[/url]

what specifically caught my eye is that customs officials in miami pulled dave and 6 other guys out of line and confirep001ed their electronic devices. from the article, it sounds like he still doesn't have them back yet. that kind of thing isn't cool, man. i don't want my stuff taken. not that i'm concerned with what they'll find, i just don't want to go without my laptop or cell for a for however long it take them.

has anyone else heard of this happening?

henley

When people are trying to learn a language I suggest buying a used first year high school or college textbook from Amazon, buying a big dictionary, buying a copy of 501 verbs along with any audio lessons they can get their hands on / QUOTE]Couldn't agree more with the above regarding the majority of gringos trying to speak Spanish. For those who can afford it, Rosetta stone has worked wonders for me without a lot of books, etc. As it is helpful in reading Spanish, pronunciation, conjugating the verbs, learning what the conjugated verbs sound like, all with pictures, etc.[/QUOTE]Rosetta stone Rosetta stone I think it has a monopoly on learning Spanish. The prospanish on youtube is in helping me except when in comes to the ci- ce words. Ty guys for the help. I will make the adjustment.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1498195]Phones are a "status symbol" to them much like they are in the US to us, but in a different way. They (the chicas) are all poor, but at the same time do not want to be seen as poor. A chica with an iPhone 5 or a Samsung Galaxy wants her friends to see her as someone who gets enough clients to be able to afford one. A success.

A chica with a "cheapie cheapie" phone (in the puta social circle) is seen as someone who does not get much business and therefore is unattractive. May not be the case in reality (maybe she spends her money wisely on tuition and her family) , but it is always looks (perception) that counts the most.

Some hot newbie chicas start off with a cheapie cheapie phone, and once she gets some Sosua fame and a few Western Union novios, moves up to the more expensive smart phones.[/QUOTE]$600 phone but they never have minutes. My phones are whatever I get on my plan for free. The phones I give the girls are the unlocked old ones. My girl now has a older Blackberry I unlocked down here and is now begging for a "big phone". Everyone has one, why can't I have one. Tired of the begging BS. I just tell her no.

I hate these phones anyway, these girls are pasted to these phones. If I'm with a girl and she is always on the phone, I ask to see her phone and shut it off. When I get complaints, I tell them I'm paying for your time, leave the phone off or leave.

[quote=henley100; 1498389]i was checking cuba dave's sosua fb page and someone referenced this article:

[url]http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/11/is_carnival_cruise_lines_pushi.php[/url]

what specifically caught my eye is that customs officials in miami pulled dave and 6 other guys out of line and confirep001ed their electronic devices. from the article, it sounds like he still doesn't have them back yet. that kind of thing isn't cool, man. i don't want my stuff taken. not that i'm concerned with what they'll find, i just don't want to go without my laptop or cell for a for however long it take them.

has anyone else heard of this happening?

henley[/quote]it wasn't as bad as they made it sound but it looks like they might be targeting mongers in an attempt to make it harder to travel to the dr. imagine what video and pictures they found on dave's hard drive.

my question is, if this whole cruise ship thing comes to fruition then where does all the action go to?

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1498672]It wasn't as bad as they made it sound but it looks like they might be targeting mongers in an attempt to make it harder to travel to the DR. Imagine what video and pictures they found on Dave's hard drive.

My question is, if this whole cruise ship thing comes to fruition then where does all the action go to?[/QUOTE]I am thinking Boca Chica is hoping that with the fall of Sosua, they will rise back to the top. A tout told me that BC was the place until Sosua deflated them!

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1498672]Imagine what video and pictures they found on Dave's hard drive.[/QUOTE]Now you can have your hard drive in the cloud, upload all your pictures & video to the net then delete them from the hard drive.

Its harder for the gov to get access to your storage space on a server somewhere in Russia or Burkina Faso than to check your laptop.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1498672]it looks like they might be targeting mongers in an attempt to make it harder to travel to the DR. Imagine what video and pictures they found on Dave's hard drive.[/QUOTE]I expected that CubaDave will be stopped by DR Gov and not US Gov. It seems that prostitution is very common between corporations and governments.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1498672]It wasn't as bad as they made it sound but it looks like they might be targeting mongers in an attempt to make it harder to travel to the DR. Imagine what video and pictures they found on Dave's hard drive.

My question is, if this whole cruise ship thing comes to fruition then where does all the action go to?[/QUOTE]Another arrogant gringo that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent under DR laws.

Who do these guys think they are? Carnival should be applauded for providing legit jobs albeit probably at less than ideal wages.

Go DR!

[quote=the mind bender; 1498672]it wasn't as bad as they made it sound but it looks like they might be targeting mongers in an attempt to make it harder to travel to the dr. imagine what video and pictures they found on dave's hard drive.

my question is, if this whole cruise ship thing comes to fruition then where does all the action go to?[/quote]

in all due respect to cubadave he was making himself obvious. one needs to keep low key about these things. i am sure he was quite helpful to many mongers, and his efforts are appreciated but with a facebook page, videos on youtube, and what not, he will eventually be getting the wrong type of attention (by the look of things, the wrong attention has already finally found him). the newspaper article only makes him more of a target. something tells me that this might not be the end of it for him. frankly, i am quite surprised that it took so long.

as for peter he will be fighting this for years. he is a non dominican, with some money, so this will work to his disadvantage. peter was sticking out like a sore thumb (glass floors, an elevator, lights all about, swimming pool, a menu of services [i had to laugh at this one. i just loved it]). everytime i went to passions i was wondering how peter got all this money and manpower to build up the place (did a great job). it is kinda hard for the authorities to look the other way when it came to passions. like cubadave. we all like these sore thumbs but the government thinks otherwise. with peter, by the look of things, it is not a simple open, close, open situation. i hope it works for the best.

the pimping stuff is tricky. what does that say about blackbeards, or even field of dreams. even if both hotels claim the chicas do not work for them still the fact that the chicas are allowed to ply their trade there, and management will act on behalf of the monger in dealing with misunderstandings, does make it look like pimping.

hey, if i want a chica who likes anal or can deepthroat i just ask the blackbeards staff and they will whip out the book, have a picture of the chica, what she does in bed, and her contact number (i just love it). i go to hand it to blackbeards. many places come and go but blackbeards has so far avoided any major complications.
all this reminds me of the guy who appeared on a talk show host and admitted that when he married it was with an **** girl (it was part of his religious beliefs). he added, at the very end, that if anyone had a problem with it they could come and get him. well, the state authorities came and got him. if i recall correctly he received at least five years in prison (he would have gotten more but his bride testified on his behalf and said that she was not traumatized by him or by the early marriage.!)

guys, with all the attention john gotti was getting, at the very end even the teflon don got velcroed! the moral of the story is not to get velcroed. we cannot do much for how people run their businesses but as mongers we can use discretion and keep a low profile.

How much a cruise tourist will spends a night vs how much a monger spends a night in Sosua, and how many nights a cruse tourist stays in Sosua vs how many nights a monger stays in Sosua?

The point is, although the cruse tourist spend less, but the money will go to the government, while a monger spend much more and the money will go to the people of Sosua and not the Government.

The result is, better conditions for mongering with different rule of engagements, just like Cuba.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1498195]Phones are a "status symbol" to them much like they are in the US to us, but in a different way. They (the chicas) are all poor, but at the same time do not want to be seen as poor. A chica with an iPhone 5 or a Samsung Galaxy wants her friends to see her as someone who gets enough clients to be able to afford one. A success.

A chica with a "cheapie cheapie" phone (in the puta social circle) is seen as someone who does not get much business and therefore is unattractive. May not be the case in reality (maybe she spends her money wisely on tuition and her family) , but it is always looks (perception) that counts the most.

Some hot newbie chicas start off with a cheapie cheapie phone, and once she gets some Sosua fame and a few Western Union novios, moves up to the more expensive smart phones.[/QUOTE]Besides being a global status symbol, smart phones are the gateway to worlds of entertaining things these girls are often seeing for the first time. They never had a video game, a camera, a computer, a movie player, an iPod, and the phone does all of these things. A lot of them didn't even have a tv growing up. On the practical side being an advanced western union chica used to mean hanging out in a hot Internet cafe. Now a phone lets you have email, a Facebook presence, and get on Dominican Cupid or any of the dating sites. A smart phone pretty much is the difference between a a barefoot campo chica and a a western union diva. Even without minutes a smartphone can be used at wifi hotspots.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1498822]A smart phone pretty much is the difference between a a barefoot campo chica and a a western union diva.[/QUOTE]So, do you think A smartphone girls will provide a better service for us or worst?

Cuba Dave has nothing to fear. His pictures are always are rated. He is doing nothing illegal. Taking pictures of attractive women and shilling for clubs is very tame. He is a good will embassador for Sosua. Just look at all the haters. Like him or hate him he has the balls to do his thing and try to share a bit of info. These side line critics are punks.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1498754]I expected that CubaDave will be stopped by DR Gov and not US Gov. It seems that prostitution is very common between corporations and governments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1498672]It wasn't as bad as they made it sound but it looks like they might be targeting mongers in an attempt to make it harder to travel to the DR.[/QUOTE]How would it be harder to travel to DR? There is no entry visa needed for US citizens and DR is not on any forbidden country list.

[quote=mr enternational;1498928]how would it be harder to travel to dr? there is no entry visa needed for us citizens and dr is not on any forbidden country list.[/quote]i meant to say less desirable of a mongering destination due to airport searches, laptop confirep001ion, certain club closures. etc

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1498928]How would it be harder to travel to DR? There is no entry visa needed for US citizens and DR is not on any forbidden country list.[/QUOTE]They pulled me aside in Philly (on the boarding tube) and kept me in a back room for 49 mins, tag teaming me to try and get me to admit, I go to the DR for sex. Destroyed the zippers on my carryons, showed everyone my bag of condoms, threw my money all over the place (it was a disgusting start to a trip). One guy kept going crazy (ex found list of Spanish swear words in my luggage, kept screaming,"theses are sex acts, these are sex acts). Welcome to the New America.

[QUOTE=Rit Teach;1498968]try and get me to admit, I go to the DR for sex.[/QUOTE]Is that against the law in the USA?

[QUOTE=David_33;1498973]Is that against the law in the USA?[/QUOTE]Two months ago, when returning from DR. I was sent back for a search when I was in customs at Miami Airport. In all my trips out of the country (even from DR) , this was the first time they actually went through my luggage. The guy was cool but he looked through every photo on my camera and said one of the things they were looking for was child porn. Mabey this would explain the rash of harassment. When he saw all the photos of me and Eva naked, he just smiled and said " yea, she's got to be over 18"

[QUOTE=Rit Teach;1498968]They pulled me aside in Philly (on the boarding tube) and kept me in a back room for 49 mins, tag teaming me to try and get me to admit, I go to the DR for sex. Destroyed the zippers on my carryons, showed everyone my bag of condoms, threw my money all over the place (it was a disgusting start to a trip). One guy kept going crazy (ex found list of Spanish swear words in my luggage, kept screaming,"theses are sex acts, these are sex acts). Welcome to the New America.[/QUOTE]What the fuck? I'm assuming you admitted to nothing so they just let you go? Did you get back on the plane to DR?

It's nice to see the TSA has better things to do instead of catching terrorists.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1498996]What the fuck? I'm assuming you admitted to nothing so they just let you go? Did you get back on the plane to DR?

It's nice to see the TSA has better things to do instead of catching terrorists.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was the last one to board the flight (the captain came on and told everyone " we have been delayed for 49 mins, I have no idea why ") everyone knew it was because of me. Stuff was falling out of my bags, the TSA guy asked me to sign a paper saying all my money had been returned to me. I replied, I have no idea if all my money is still here. He said, then count it. Meanwhile flt officials and other TSA agents are screaming at me to get on the plane.

They saw gifts in the bag for a girl I know. Screamed "where did you meet? Do you give her money? What's her number, e mail? That day was pure hell.

Maybe one of the lawyers on the forum could give their opinion of Rit Teach's experience.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1498996]What the fuck? I'm assuming you admitted to nothing so they just let you go? Did you get back on the plane to DR?

It's nice to see the TSA has better things to do instead of catching terrorists.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the posts guys. A nice reminder to be low key and show you are going to the DR for the beaches.

Law if unintended consequences. A reason not to bring chica gifts. TSA shakedowns LOL! Spin it to your advantage.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb; 1498749]Now you can have your hard drive in the cloud, upload all your pictures & video to the net then delete them from the hard drive.

Its harder for the gov to get access to your storage space on a server somewhere in Russia or Burkina Faso than to check your laptop.[/QUOTE]Great point. It is the way to go. Sync up your stuff and do not worry about TSA.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1498996]What the fuck? I'm assuming you admitted to nothing so they just let you go? Did you get back on the plane to DR?

It's nice to see the TSA has better things to do instead of catching terrorists.[/QUOTE]Glad I live here, ask anyone who does live here, the consensus is simple: freedom

[QUOTE=Rit Teach; 1499009]Yes, I was the last one to board the flight (the captain came on and told everyone " we have been delayed for 49 mins, I have no idea why ") everyone knew it was because of me. Stuff was falling out of my bags, the TSA guy asked me to sign a paper saying all my money had been returned to me. I replied, I have no idea if all my money is still here. He said, then count it. Meanwhile flt officials and other TSA agents are screaming at me to get on the plane.

They saw gifts in the bag for a girl I know. Screamed "where did you meet? Do you give her money? What's her number, e mail? That day was pure hell.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming that this happened because the TSA discovered things that were in your carry on luggage versus your checked luggage?

[QUOTE=Rit Teach; 1499009]Yes, I was the last one to board the flight (the captain came on and told everyone " we have been delayed for 49 mins, I have no idea why ") everyone knew it was because of me. Stuff was falling out of my bags, the TSA guy asked me to sign a paper saying all my money had been returned to me. I replied, I have no idea if all my money is still here. He said, then count it. Meanwhile flt officials and other TSA agents are screaming at me to get on the plane.

They saw gifts in the bag for a girl I know. Screamed "where did you meet? Do you give her money? What's her number, e mail? That day was pure hell.[/QUOTE]Very interesting experience. Since you did not break any laws, were you obligated to answer the questions? What were your responses? Were you just as aggressive or did you play it calm and cool?

For the lawyers on the board. Can you just tell them "I haven't committed any crimes and I do not wish to answer any of your questions. It is not against the law to have condoms or VS underwear in my luggage! Unless, I am under arrest, I would like to end this interview and proceed to my plane."

I have never been thru a secondary screening process like this. I would imagine that initially I would be very scared, but once I remembered that I didn't break any American laws, it would be a struggle to keep my temper under control. I would probably start getting just as aggressive as the TSA agents were getting with me.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1499081]Very interesting experience. Since you did not break any laws, were you obligated to answer the questions? What were your responses? Were you just as aggressive or did you play it calm and cool?

For the lawyers on the board. Can you just tell them "I haven't committed any crimes and I do not wish to answer any of your questions. It is not against the law to have condoms or VS underwear in my luggage! Unless, I am under arrest, I would like to end this interview and proceed to my plane."

I have never been thru a secondary screening process like this. I would imagine that initially I would be very scared, but once I remembered that I didn't break any American laws, it would be a struggle to keep my temper under control. I would probably start getting just as aggressive as the TSA agents were getting with me.[/QUOTE]I think quoting the law back to TSA agents will only serve to increase their hostility. Cops hate when you do that too, it only makes them want to mess with you more. Getting aggressive is also a no no.

I'd say the best bet is to stay calm and answer each question simply and avoid showing any attitude or frustration. I got held up in Canada a few years back and when I asked the agent if he had permission within the law to go through my personal emails he snapped at me "I'M DOING IT AREN'T IT?"

TSA guys are assholes, just don't give them anything to work with and get through it as quickly as possible. Asking about the reason for your detention is pointless since right or wrong they're already doing it.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1499091]I think quoting the law back to TSA agents will only serve to increase their hostility. Cops hate when you do that too, it only makes them want to mess with you more. Getting aggressive is also a no no.

I'd say the best bet is to stay calm and answer each question simply and avoid showing any attitude or frustration. I got held up in Canada a few years back and when I asked the agent if he had permission within the law to go through my personal emails he snapped at me "I'm DOING IT AREN'T IT?"

TSA guys are assholes, just don't give them anything to work with and get through it as quickly as possible. Asking about the reason for your detention is pointless since right or wrong they're already doing it.[/QUOTE]Something doesn't sound right about all this, apparently he was pulled aside by the TSA after going thru screening in the Airport and after being checked onto the flight and walking down the gangway to step into the plane. I wonder what prompted the TSA to pull him aside and go thru all his stuff.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1499091]TSA guys are assholes, just don't give them anything to work with...[/QUOTE]I am not particularly fond of Canadian custom officers either. The job attracts a certain kind of personality. I pay extra money so I don't have to go through US and deal with these morons.

[QUOTE=Boriman; 1498801]The pimping stuff is tricky. What does that say about Blackbeards, or even Field of Dreams. Even if both hotels claim the chicas do not work for them still the fact that the chicas are allowed to ply their trade there, and management will act on behalf of the monger in dealing with misunderstandings, does make it look like pimping.

Hey, if I want a chica who likes anal or can deepthroat I just ask the Blackbeards staff and they will whip out the book, have a picture of the chica, what she does in bed, and her contact number (I just love it). I go to hand it to Blackbeards. Many places come and go but Blackbeards has so far avoided any major complications.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that it is OK if the clients are paying the girl directly, but the situation at Passion's was that the money was paid direct to the house, deductions made for whatever the girl owed the house, perhaps for board and lodging, uniforms, laundry, and then the house paid out to the girl weekly, and that the girls could be fined if they refused to go out with a customer. I would imagine that this model is not allowed for prostitution and comes under the heading of pandering. Fining someone for not going with a customer looks a lot like coerced prostitution, and I suspect this model of prostitution runs into problems with DR laws re pandering and pimping. The menu of prices makes it look like the prices for sex are set by the house, rather than negotiated individually by the girls, and this might also be an issue.

[quote=boriman; 1498801]in all due respect to cubadave he was making himself obvious. one needs to keep low key about these things. i am sure he was quite helpful to many mongers, and his efforts are appreciated but with a facebook page, videos on youtube, and what not, he will eventually be getting the wrong type of attention (by the look of things, the wrong attention has already finally found him). the newspaper article only makes him more of a target. something tells me that this might not be the end of it for him. frankly, i am quite surprised that it took so long.

as for peter he will be fighting this for years. he is a non dominican, with some money, so this will work to his disadvantage. peter was sticking out like a sore thumb (glass floors, an elevator, lights all about, swimming pool, a menu of services [i had to laugh at this one. i just loved it]). everytime i went to passions i was wondering how peter got all this money and manpower to build up the place (did a great job). it is kinda hard for the authorities to look the other way when it came to passions. like cubadave. we all like these sore thumbs but the government thinks otherwise. with peter, by the look of things, it is not a simple open, close, open situation. i hope it works for the best.

the pimping stuff is tricky. what does that say about blackbeards, or even field of dreams. even if both hotels claim the chicas do not work for them still the fact that the chicas are allowed to ply their trade there, and management will act on behalf of the monger in dealing with misunderstandings, does make it look like pimping.

hey, if i want a chica who likes anal or can deepthroat i just ask the blackbeards staff and they will whip out the book, have a picture of the chica, what she does in bed, and her contact number (i just love it). i go to hand it to blackbeards. many places come and go but blackbeards has so far avoided any major complications.

all this reminds me of the guy who appeared on a talk show host and admitted that when he married it was with an **** girl (it was part of his religious beliefs). he added, at the very end, that if anyone had a problem with it they could come and get him. well, the state authorities came and got him. if i recall correctly he received at least five years in prison (he would have gotten more but his bride testified on his behalf and said that she was not traumatized by him or by the early marriage!)

guys, with all the attention john gotti was getting, at the very end even the teflon don got velcroed! the moral of the story is not to get velcroed. we cannot do much for how people run their businesses but as mongers we can use discretion and keep a low profile.[/quote]very good point and example. my boys want us to open a brothel in boca chica! i tell them we will be fools. the business will have the life expectancy of a snowman in miami. i best to be low key outside the country. i know those casas were paying officials but that still didn't stop the gauntlet! not being a dominican is a recipe for disaster for us. with cuba daves reputation and facebook following he will get a good lawyer pro bono."the more money we get. we more money we're taking from other people"

[QUOTE=Rit Teach;1498968]They pulled me aside in Philly (on the boarding tube) and kept me in a back room for 49 mins, tag teaming me to try and get me to admit, I go to the DR for sex. Destroyed the zippers on my carryons, showed everyone my bag of condoms, threw my money all over the place (it was a disgusting start to a trip). One guy kept going crazy (ex found list of Spanish swear words in my luggage, kept screaming,"theses are sex acts, these are sex acts). Welcome to the New America.[/QUOTE]Wow Custom pull me over all the time looking for drugs. They see my see my condoms, hiv test kits, lube, and joke with each other. I guess things have changed. Thanks for the update. My lawyers says the more you talk the more it hurts you.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1499056]I'm assuming that this happened because the TSA discovered things that were in your carry on luggage versus your checked luggage?[/QUOTE]No, (if you read my post, I stated it happened past the boarding gate- where they bug you about the amount of money you are bringing ). I am 62 yrs old (look closer to 82) and am extremely low key. When, I stopped responding to questions (because I only have one functioning vocal cord. The one aggressive young prick said " if You don't care to talk, I don't care if you miss your flight. I had my bank withdrawal slip indicating how much and what denominations. The money was separated accordingly. He threw it all over the table. That was only a pretext (this was purely harassment. They commented about the number of times that I had been to the DR. Based on stamps in my passport.) they wanted to know why I went there, who I talked to or what I did and with whom and the phone numbers of those individuals I associated with and e mail addresses)

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1499176]Wow Custom pull me over all the time looking for drugs. They see my see my condoms, hiv test kits, lube, and joke with each other. I guess things have changed. Thanks for the update. My lawyers says the more you talk the more it hurts you.[/QUOTE]Stopped about a year ago by Customs agent leaving the plane in Miami, asked me if I bought my ticket at the last minute with cash, (no) Do you have $10,000 cash money on you. (no). Can we check your carry on luggage with the dog. (sure). Any Drugs, or liquor (no). Can you wait a minute we want to check your carry on with another dog that is on the way. (starting to get pissed). Second dog shows up and sniffs my carry on finds nothing, I tell the Customs agent what's wrong with first dog he have a cold. He told me to take this serious because this was for national security, I told him he was profiling. We took a couple of steps toward each other when another agent step between us and tells me to go catch my flight before I get in trouble. This event took 30 minutes and I was just getting off the plane. I was so mad when I left there I was ready to fight everyone in the Miami airport. Customs has the authority to treat you like a criminal.

[QUOTE=Rit Teach;1498968][b]They[/b] pulled me aside in Philly (on the boarding tube) and kept me in a back room for 49 mins, tag teaming me to try and get me to admit, I go to the DR for sex. Destroyed the zippers on my carryons, showed everyone my bag of condoms, threw my money all over the place (it was a disgusting start to a trip). One guy kept going crazy (ex found list of Spanish swear words in my luggage, kept screaming,"theses are sex acts, these are sex acts). Welcome to the New America.[/QUOTE]Who is "they?" Why didn't you just say yes I go to DR for sex? Nothing they could have done about it.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1498996]What the fuck? I'm assuming you admitted to nothing so they just let you go? Did you get back on the plane to DR?

It's nice to see the TSA has better things to do instead of catching terrorists.[/QUOTE]It is not TSA's duty to catch terrorists. It is TSA's duty to search luggage and people. They don't ask questions. If you have something that you shouldn't then they take it from you. There is no asking, "What are you doing with this?" They have to call law enforcement for anything further than, "You are not allowed to bring xyz sir." Why the hell they decided to give TSA agents a badge is beyond me. They are not law enforcement officers and can not carry weapons. Does anybody remember airline security before 2001? Well these are the same people, but with different uniforms. There are no special qualifications other than a high school diploma and passing a background check.

"Today, TSA secures the nation's airports and screens all commercial airline passengers and baggage. TSA uses a risk-based strategy and works closely with transportation, law enforcement and intelligence communities to set the standard for excellence in transportation security." [url]http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa[/url]

[QUOTE=Rit Teach; 1499009]Yes, I was the last one to board the flight (the captain came on and told everyone " we have been delayed for 49 mins, I have no idea why ") everyone knew it was because of me. Stuff was falling out of my bags, the TSA guy asked me to sign a paper saying all my money had been returned to me. I replied, I have no idea if all my money is still here. He said, then count it. Meanwhile flt officials and other TSA agents are screaming at me to get on the plane.

They saw gifts in the bag for a girl I know. Screamed "where did you meet? Do you give her money? What's her number, e mail? That day was pure hell.[/QUOTE]Stop with your bullshit dude. No airline is going to hold a plane (and that long) waiting for someone who has been caught up in security. Do you know how much that shit would cost them? Definitely more than your $400 ticket. The longest they would wait is the time it took to take your bag off the plane.

[QUOTE=Ready Ru;1498991]Two months ago, when returning from DR. I was sent back for a search when I was in customs at Miami Airport. In all my trips out of the country (even from DR) , this was the first time they actually went through my luggage. The guy was cool but he looked through every photo on my camera and said one of the things they were looking for was child porn. Mabey this would explain the rash of harassment. When he saw all the photos of me and Eva naked, he just smiled and said " yea, she's got to be over 18"[/QUOTE]This is a more plausible story. After a quick search, "a cool guy" realizing there was no drugs and no child porn allowed Ready Ru to go on his way with all his belongings.

Being questioned for going to a country to have sex with girls? This is what our tax dollars are being wasted on? Man some people (TSA) must be incredibly bored these days.

No one knows the real reason why anyone is going anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's DR, France, England, Turkey, India, Thailand, Australia etc. It's ridiculous if people are being profiled because they like to visit a certain country. The DR has beaches, is fairly cheap to travel to and enjoy a weekend vacation on, there's a lot to do. It's a developing country and some companies have business over there. A single man that travels to Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo could be traveling just for business a couple times a month. There is nothing wrong with this.

Sometimes I don't know if these stories are believable, I guess it serves for a good read at least. Safe mongering everyone.

[QUOTE=Coole Mr;1499226]Stopped about a year ago by Customs agent leaving the plane in Miami, asked me if I bought my ticket at the last minute with cash, (no) Do you have $10,000 cash money on you. (no). Can we check your carry on luggage with the dog. (sure). Any Drugs, or liquor (no). Can you wait a minute we want to check your carry on with another dog that is on the way. (starting to get pissed). Second dog shows up and sniffs my carry on finds nothing, I tell the Customs agent what's wrong with first dog he have a cold. He told me to take this serious because this was for national security, I told him he was profiling. We took a couple of steps toward each other when another agent step between us and tells me to go catch my flight before I get in trouble. This event took 30 minutes and I was just getting off the plane. I was so mad when I left there I was ready to fight everyone in the Miami airport. Customs has the authority to treat you like a criminal.[/QUOTE]Different dogs are trained to detect different things. Some detect drugs, some money, some explosive material, etc.

Comming into miami one time last year from dr a cutoms dog came up to me and my friend and statered sniffing. The agent askerd if we were smoking weed on the trip, we said yeah and ge pointed us to get our bags checked. When we got there the agent already knew why we where getting checked and he asked if we were smoking weed. We both said yeah and another agent went to check my friends bags. I had two big luggages and a backpack. I opned my first luggae and the agent looked at it and said alright see you later. My friend who is right next to me getting checked gets fucked. He comes out of customs 20 min later and told me they went through all his shit, his shoes, everything and gave him the third degree. Pretty funny to me cause we weree standing about two feet apart getting checked right before I got let go LOL

[QUOTE=Coole Mr;1499226]Stopped about a year ago by Customs agent leaving the plane in Miami.(no) Do you have $10,000 cash money on you. (no). Can we check your carry on luggage with the dog. (sure). Any Drugs, or liquor (no). Can you wait a minute we want to check your carry on with another dog that is on the way. (starting to get pissed).I told him he was profiling.This event took 30 minutes and I was just getting off the plane. I was so mad when I left there I was ready to fight everyone in the Miami airport. Customs has the authority to treat you like a criminal.[/QUOTE]If it makes you feel any better, champ, I've had a problem or two with the Miami Airport. Several years ago, while transferring to a connecting flight to DR, I was waiting for my luggage to be searched and moved to the wrong table (I do not know how it is now but back then Miami needed to work on having clearly displayed signs). Well, some supervisor approached me and he was probably the nastiest airport employee I've ever encountered. The guy was so busy focusing on being nasty that at the very end he didn't bother to check my luggage. It is fortunate that I did not argue with him since my friend copied on DVD a sex tape of a well known Spanish news reporter, which I had in the luggage. I also had cigar rings and two boxes, indicating Cohiba on them. (I did not have the cigars since my friend took them to PR. When I got home I just mailed the rings and boxes to him so he could put the pieces together. Since Cohibas are illegal in the States my friend needed a way to beat the system).

After this, when I later submitted my luggage to be placed on the conveyor belt, workers were giving me wrong instructions, and some even refused to talk to me when I tried to get their attention to pull my luggage the belt so I could remove the shoulder strap (if I didn't do this the package handlers would have taken the strap off and discarded it [these straps sometimes tie up and jam the conveyor belt]).

When I finally returned from my trip and did some research, at the time in question Miami Airport was the worst airport in this country, based on customer complaints.

"Today, TSA secures the nation's airports and screens all commercial airline passengers and baggage. TSA uses a risk-based strategy and works closely with transportation, law enforcement and intelligence communities to set the standard for excellence in transportation security."

[url]http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa[/url]

Stop with your bullshit dude. No airline is going to hold a plane (and that long) waiting for someone who has been caught up in security. Do you know how much that shit would cost them? Definitely more than your $400 ticket. The longest they would wait is the time it took to take your bag off the plane.

I didn't want to say anything on is because things change. I worked law enforcement for 7 years. Security for the state. I even was offered a job as a TSA supervisor back in 2003. I understand Customs and TSA jobs. I have never seen or heard (besides to day) of TSA checking for anytime besides metals, liquids, passport, ticket and sharp objects. I ever seen them working anywhere beyond boarding the airport gates entry. They don't have arresting powers or the power to question you about were you are going! Customs is a different story! I have missed my plane twice because of them. Hell no the plane doesn't wait on you! Not 5 minutes let along 40+. They will not charge you extra if you miss your flight and you tell them (AA. Delta. Etc) you were held by customs. I am not saying bullshit, but its like telling me you met Eve at CMP's and she gave you pussy on the house.

My personal take for me on this discussion is that I believe there is a lot of sensitivity on drugs coming in through the DR. Not to long ago coming back into new york when we got off the plane all of us were lined up and had around 10 customs agents stand there as they had a dog walk back and forth before we even got processed through customs. That is the first time I ever had that happen to me and tells me customs must be seeing a lot of drugs coming through the DR. Actually, if you read all the reports the DR is becoming a huge drug shipment point for cocaine. Again, I always like to observe everything and if you look at uptown new york (Washington Heights) brand new nightclubs are opening up everywhere and real estate development is exploding uptown. Again some of this is due to improving conditions in the real estate market in new york, but a lot has to do with a lot of drug money being laundered through nightclubs and other businesses. The area is booming uptown new york and you always have to ask why that is because other areas are not as hot as that area.

[QUOTE=Shamester; 1499018]Thanks for the posts guys. A nice reminder to be low key and show you are going to the DR for the beaches.

Law of unintended consequences. A reason not to bring chica gifts. TSA shakedowns LOL! Spin it to your advantage.[/QUOTE]Continual interesting insights that are of global use.

[QUOTE=Coole Mr;1499226]Stopped about a year ago by Customs agent leaving the plane in Miami, asked me if I bought my ticket at the last minute with cash, (no) Do you have $10,000 cash money on you. (no). Can we check your carry on luggage with the dog. (sure). Any Drugs, or liquor (no). Can you wait a minute we want to check your carry on with another dog that is on the way. (starting to get pissed). Second dog shows up and sniffs my carry on finds nothing, I tell the Customs agent what's wrong with first dog he have a cold. He told me to take this serious because this was for national security, I told him he was profiling. We took a couple of steps toward each other when another agent step between us and tells me to go catch my flight before I get in trouble. This event took 30 minutes and I was just getting off the plane. I was so mad when I left there I was ready to fight everyone in the Miami airport. Customs has the authority to treat you like a criminal.[/QUOTE]Everyone on here should be very clear that Customs agents have a tremendous amount of power and can do just about anything they think is necessary to guard our country from whatever Congress decides we need to be guarded against. They can take everything you have apart, and they don't have to put it back together for you. They can break your stuff, and they don't have to pay for it. You never want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a customs agent. The appropriate response to any of their questions and comments is to remain calm and be polite. You can't win any fight with them!

BTW, if you aren't smuggling, why even sweat the load? Take it easy on these people because they have a shitty, thankless job, and everyone they meet either fears them, hates them, or both. What kind of life is that? So if you show a little courtesy, they might even reciprocate.

I have been held up a couple of times over the years, and don't appreciate the probing questions any more than anyone else. But it is not that hard to figure out what the agents are trying to do. They want to get a reaction because even if they aren't experts in reading emotional responses, there are always special agents either in the vicinity or watching remotely to see if you exhibit telltale behaviors. Every day that goes by refines the capabilities of these police agencies. As we sheep pass through the lines, they are looking for the goats. Don't act like a goat, and you will probably get through with less trouble.

One of the basic security techniques is always going to be a random shot against some person coming in. If you travel a lot, your chances of getting to be the randomly selected victim goes up. So even though it is natural to think that you are being picked on, that isn't necessarily true. If you get lucky, you are going to get the third degree no matter how innocent you are. If it happens every time you enter the country, then you probably need to take some kind of action, like hiring a lawyer and finding out why you are on the sh_tlist.

As pointed out by others, TSA is a whole 'nother ballgame. You can get yourself all worked up about how screwed up the whole process is, but at the end of the day, you have to give the whole mess to Congress. Why take out your frustrations on the poor saps on the front line? My experience with TSA has been 100% friendly, and I travel a lot. I guess that's because I always treat them like fellow human beings with a crummy job they have to do to pay the bills. Anyone who has ever worked retail knows exactly how 99% of the people are really quite nice, but that 1% of arrogant, mean-spirited, as_holes can really set you down the wrong attitude road. And of course, the next person, innocent and naïve, often is the one who gets the reaction, even if you are trying to get back into the positive zone. But if that next person is uptight, pushy, condescending, etc, etc, then it starts to accumulate, and anyone will eventually just lose it, or start to dish it out. So instead of upping the ante, ratchet it back down by showing some consideration. You might be pleasantly surprised and feel all warm and fuzzy instead of getting all bent out of shape.

Rumba was full of chicas in the late afternoon!

I'm Canadian-Egyptian, so for a middle eastern its a different story, when they find condom, alcohol and Viagra with me, then its all good, I'm safe and they let me go.

LOOOL

[QUOTE=Revere;1499445]My personal take for me on this discussion is that I believe there is a lot of sensitivity on drugs.[/QUOTE]

The DR isn't becoming a drug spot? It has always been a drug spot. It is so easy for ships to dock on that island. If drugs are being transported by sea it goes to DR, then PR, then Florida. When I used to go to PR, ages ago, it was a hassle just getting through security, because of the drug issue. (PR eventually had a bigger problem-fake birth certificates. Because of this they had to revamp the authenticity of certificates [40% of all false USA passports were based on fake birth certificates from Puerto Rico]). If you were Dominican all you had to do is make it to Puerto Rico (paying someone to illegally dock on the island, or to illegally take the ferry from DR to PR [not all Puerto Ricans who visit the DR come by plane. Some take the ferry back and forth, directly from Puerto Rico.)

What people would do is get a fake birth certificate, follow this up with other fake I'd, get a passport (if need be) , and enter the country. If you were a drug dealer from the DR this is the route to go. After 2010 this is much harder to do. Also, anyone who knows anything about PR can see that drugs are rampant on the island.

I recall the last time I was in Santo Domingo, years ago. Me and a chica crossed the bridge to Calle Valenzuela. This was a Tuesday night and the entire strip was empty, except for the club "Side. ' It was packed. When I looked at the prices of some of the items (anything from snatching a chica, to the cost of drinks) I mentioned to my chica that things were so expensive that only a drug dealer could afford these prices. She responded "what do you think these guys are?" We were surrounded by Dominican Drug posses, from Washington Heights!

When I was in Boca Chica a group of guys from Philly were being shown some of the casas by a Dominican guy. This guy spoke what I would call megaslang English (the slang you hear in the streets, Multiply it by 100). This guy was trying to over hustle. I even mentioned to the group that this guy had alot of game. He had too much game (it was actually quite comical). He was a Dominican who made it to the States, lived in Washington Heights, and was deported (most probably for drugs). When I used to hear of Dominican drug gangs getting arrested, they would usually have a couple of illegals, who would get deported, only to show up in the States several months later (get themselves arrested again, with the cops saying "hey, didn't we go through this before with you?).

This reminds me of my cousin, who was incarcerated at Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan (for, out of all things, climbing the crown of the Statue of Liberty!). Well, my cousin is PR and the correction officers hooked up his group with a Russian gang, expecting both groups to fight. Even though they barely understood each other the groups got along just fine. What little my cousin could comprehend he said that the Russians admitted to being innocent of any crimes. I added that they were in there for drugs. He was surprised, since this was the charges against them and wondered how I knew. An interesting population entering the DR are the Russians. You will even see an occasional devushka around (some of their casas charge a fortune.) The Russians who live and travel there, regularly, do so for three reasons:drugs, money laundering, and prostitution. Sometimes you might confuse them for regular tourists but their not. Also, they usually do not hang around the tourist areas.

I was talking to a buddy of mine. He was gambling at the casino in Sosua. About 4:00 AM in the morning (the place was closing up) a drunk Russian starts knocking on the doors. The casino recognized him as a regular, and let the guy in. The Russian spent a fortune (I would tell you the sum but I do not believe it, even though it came from a reliable source). I guess this is why the owner let him in, knowing the house would make a fortune. The Russian lived on the island. I can only imagine what he did to earn this money.

The most intense drug bust I've ever heard was in Washington Heights, many years ago. The NYPD was staking out the area of 156th St, and St Nicholas. After over a year and a half they descended on the place. They closed off the streets, had helicopters and police cars swarm the area, jammed all radio signals, and the first thing they took out was the apartment that served as a communication center for the drug dealers in the neighborhood. Arrested alot of people that night.

What used to happen in the Heights was that many restaurants and bodegas would have difficulty getting the money for all the licenses needed to open up their places (food licenses, liquor licenses, meet Fire Department regulations, etc) so a gun or drug dealer was willing to lend the money on the condition of using some of the business space to store weapons, or drugs. (the tricky part was that after a while it became difficult getting these guys out.

One restaurant ponied up the money by having a numbers guy in the bag room, paying rent. The guy was there for years. The neighborhood loved him. Caused no trouble whatsoever. After a while these Dominican places became more creative. They would have hidden slot machines, in a back room. They would sell penicillin, viagra, and shots of mamajuana (eventhough they do not have the liquor license to do so. Just thinking about it, I do not know if it is even legal to sell home made mamajuana?).

One time I was looking for an apartment in the Heights. One guy showed me a place and practically all the sheet rock was removed. There were only slats and studs. The guy was evasive about what happened. I asked my buddy about it and he explained that the police must have come to the place, looking for drugs, and tore the walls down. Putting this and other pieces together the only thing the apartment was lacking was the chalk outline of a dead body.

I eventually lived in Washington Heights for man years and drugs were a common part of the landscape. If you did not bother the drug dealer they would not bother you. When I first moved in, about two months later, a drug gang approached my landlord to inquire about me. He explained that I worked for the government but that I minded my own business. I was not going to bother them. They left me alone. The drug dealers were actually quite courteous whenever I passed by.

The Heights has some decent people but also alot of drugs.

[QUOTE=El Lobo Solo; 1499545]Everyone on here should be very clear that Customs agents have a tremendous amount of power and can do just about anything they think is necessary to guard our country from whatever Congress decides we need to be guarded against. They can take everything you have apart, and they don't have to put it back together for you. They can break your stuff, and they don't have to pay for it. You never want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a customs agent. The appropriate response to any of their questions and comments is to remain calm and be polite. You can't win any fight with them!

BTW, if you aren't smuggling, why even sweat the load? Take it easy on these people because they have a shitty, thankless job, and everyone they meet either fears them, hates them, or both. What kind of life is that? So if you show a little courtesy, they might even reciprocate.

I have been held up a couple of times over the years, and don't appreciate the probing questions any more than anyone else. But it is not that hard to figure out what the agents are trying to do. They want to get a reaction because even if they aren't experts in reading emotional responses, there are always special agents either in the vicinity or watching remotely to see if you exhibit telltale behaviors. Every day that goes by refines the capabilities of these police agencies. As we sheep pass through the lines, they are looking for the goats. Don't act like a goat, and you will probably get through with less trouble.

One of the basic security techniques is always going to be a random shot against some person coming in. If you travel a lot, your chances of getting to be the randomly selected victim goes up. So even though it is natural to think that you are being picked on, that isn't necessarily true. If you get lucky, you are going to get the third degree no matter how innocent you are. If it happens every time you enter the country, then you probably need to take some kind of action...[/QUOTE]El Lobo Solo, good info, but. I am on a plane with 175 people on it and they pull out 3 African-American, they did not know my name, I was just exiting the plane. I am not a drug smuggler, I am a BMW (Black Man Working). If you are going to pull me out, pull everyone out and check them. The problem with this country is racism starts with the government and trickles down to all law enforcement agencies. We can move on, I have been going to D. R. 4 times a year for the last 12 years, and I have a blast with all the women, so not even Customs agents can spoil my joy.

Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=Coole Mr;1499631]El Lobo Sol We can move on, I have been going to D. R. 4 times a year for the last 12 years, and I have a blast with all the women, so not even Customs agents can spoil my joy.[/QUOTE]Very good outlook after catching shit from somebody who for sure does not know what your real intent of being in the DR was or they would have never fucked with you to start with.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1499283]Comming into miami one time last year from dr a cutoms dog came up to me and my friend and statered sniffing. The agent askerd if we were smoking weed on the trip, we said yeah and ge pointed us to get our bags checked. When we got there the agent already knew why we where getting checked and he asked if we were smoking weed. We both said yeah and another agent went to check my friends bags. I had two big luggages and a backpack. I opned my first luggae and the agent looked at it and said alright see you later. My friend who is right next to me getting checked gets fucked. He comes out of customs 20 min later and told me they went through all his shit, his shoes, everything and gave him the third degree. Pretty funny to me cause we weree standing about two feet apart getting checked right before I got let go LOL[/QUOTE]They could have made you miss your plane if they wanted to

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1450508]I ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a yea but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is. It satisfies the cops when they check her so she is happy. It doesn't seem to say anything about "work" or "study' so maybe it is just a "temporary residence" visa, although it doesn't say that either.This is a very sensitive area for Haitians as they feel very vulnerable. Also they are told all sorts of BS by Haitian and Dominican officials, the laws and interpretations are constantly changing, and most of them have limited literacy for official jargon in minute print, so everyone is confused all the time and reluctant to discuss it[/QUOTE]These people change the rules day by day and it really sucks. I hope your GF has already got her visa for this year because things are not good and she may have to stay longer than she did before. I would for sure send extra money with her this time for un for seen cost. I now know why the boyfriends of the Haitian women usually let them go alone to get there stamp in Cap-Haitian for it is un like anything most of us on any of these boards has ever had to deal with. Being in Cap-Haitian does make you appreciate how advanced the DR is

Funny story for you guys, since we just had a discussion about chicas and phones. I'm going to be on the ground in the DR in about a week, and I opened an account on Dominican Cupid to grab a few phone numbers. I know you really don't have to prep like this for Sosua, but I wanted to try it. Seemed like a fun way to get worked up for my trip. And it has been.

Anyway, one girl who I first emailed last evening, telling her I'd like to meet her, sent me this email today:

"gracias hola puedes venir con regalo por mi yo quiero un teléfono galaxy why un tableta por favor mi numero es."

For those of us linguistically challenged, here's the google translation:

"hello thank you gift can come with me I want a galaxy phone and tablet please my number is."

Haha. I exchanged a total of 6 emails with her and she's already trying to hustle a phone and tablet. That is awesome. Needless to say, she's not on my "to do" list. I have had some luck with other girls, though. I'm up front that I'm not looking for anything serious, just a little short time romance and many girls have responded favorably. I'll probably call one or two of them when I'm in town.

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1499247]Being questioned for going to a country to have sex with girls? This is what our tax dollars are being wasted on? Man some people (TSA) must be incredibly bored these days.

No one knows the real reason why anyone is going anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's DR, France, England, Turkey, India, Thailand, Australia etc. It's ridiculous if people are being profiled because they like to visit a certain country. The DR has beaches, is fairly cheap to travel to and enjoy a weekend vacation on, there's a lot to do. It's a developing country and some companies have business over there. A single man that travels to Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo could be traveling just for business a couple times a month. There is nothing wrong with this.

Sometimes I don't know if these stories are believable, I guess it serves for a good read at least. Safe mongering everyone.[/QUOTE]I usually fly out of Vegas and I've noticed recently all the drama associated with TSA and Border patrol. I have had my cameras looked through and questioned how much I pay the girls. Why would america care if we are going elsewhere for women? Miami airport has always been notorious though. It's the entry point for most coming from latin countries. Ask I screamed a foolish agent. If you search my bags and I walk thorugh the metal dector, the body scanning machine, have my hands swabbed for explosive chemicals. Shit is getting old.

[QUOTE=Boriman; 1499285]If it makes you feel any better, champ, I've had a problem or two with the Miami Airport. Several years ago, while transferring to a connecting flight to DR, I was waiting for my luggage to be searched and moved to the wrong table (I do not know how it is now but back then Miami needed to work on having clearly displayed signs). Well, some supervisor approached me and he was probably the nastiest airport employee I've ever encountered. The guy was so busy focusing on being nasty that at the very end he didn't bother to check my luggage. It is fortunate that I did not argue with him since my friend copied on DVD a sex tape of a well known Spanish news reporter, which I had in the luggage. I also had cigar rings and two boxes, indicating Cohiba on them. (I did not have the cigars since my friend took them to PR. When I got home I just mailed the rings and boxes to him so he could put the pieces together. Since Cohibas are illegal in the States my friend needed a way to beat the system).

After this, when I later submitted my luggage to be placed on the conveyor belt, workers were giving me wrong instructions, and some even refused to talk to me when I tried to get their attention to pull my luggage the belt so I could remove the shoulder strap (if I didn't do this the package handlers would have taken the strap off and discarded it [these straps sometimes tie up and jam the conveyor belt]).

When I finally returned from my trip and did some research, at the time in question Miami Airport was the worst airport in this country, based on customer complaints.[/QUOTE]Even my mother hates going through Miami for an internatinal flight.

Amazing detail about customs and TSA agent.

As someone that is racially profiled imo many of these posts are overreactions by overly sensitive monger.

Comply and do not have illegal items. Simple. Defiance only creates unnecessary problems. These situations while unavoidable are easily managed.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1499843]Even my mother hates going through Miami for an internatinal flight.[/QUOTE]
I don't blame her. I try to avoid going through Miami if I can help it. Given a choice, and needing to make a connecting flight, I would rather go through San Juan to get to DR, since I am hassled less when making such a connecting flight.

[QUOTE=Henley100; 1499830].

"hello thank you gift can come with me I want a galaxy phone and tablet please my number is."

Haha. I exchanged a total of 6 emails with her and she's already trying to hustle a phone and tablet. That is awesome. Needless to say, she's not on my "to do" list. I have had some luck with other girls, though. I'm up front that I'm not looking for anything serious, just a little short time romance and many girls have responded favorably. I'll probably call one or two of them when I'm in town.[/QUOTE]You should write back and ask her why exactly she thinks she deserves an expensive ass gift after just a few emails.

Can't blame a chica for trying but that is ridiculous!


[QUOTE=Boriman;1499917]I don't blame her. I try to avoid going through Miami if I can help it. Given a choice, and needing to make a connecting flight, I would rather go through San Juan to get to DR, since I am hassled less when making such a connecting flight.[/QUOTE]

MIA international is know for detaining folk, I was once stuck in the luggage search section and a new person/victim was coming down every few minutes

I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.

I mentioned that I learned in Sosua that many of the Rumba girls are cutthroat. I took one out that was sweet in Rumbas and then when I got her to the hotel, she became all business: only Mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. Etc.

With chicks after that, I looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. If I went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.

I met mongers that said the same thing. Make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.

What do you think?

[QUOTE=Coole Mr;1499631]El Lobo Solo, good info, but. I am on a plane with 175 people on it and they pull out 3 African-American, they did not know my name, I was just exiting the plane. I am not a drug smuggler, I am a BMW (Black Man Working). If you are going to pull me out, pull everyone out and check them. The problem with this country is racism starts with the government and trickles down to all law enforcement agencies.[/QUOTE]You are right in my eye's the DR is racist. I have drove to just about all parts of the DR and never had my passport checked unless I was crossing the Board. Don't get me wrong I have been stopped at check points just like every one else but they never ask for my passport but if I have anyone black with me woman or man they always ask for there passport every time.

This is p4p not a dating site. If you buy a girl a cheap used phone or a tablet, how is it different from paying 3000 or 4000 pesos at a a SD casa for 2 hours. You can get way more value from the girl who asks for gifts and She may not be fucking guys every day. She will pretend to be your girl friend for a few days. Often the sex will improve with the comfort level of of knowing one another. Asking for gifts is not a game. It is the price of admission. You only have to know how to manage the exchange. We are looking for sex not love relationships. The girls are looking for material gain. Many girls do not see excepting gifts as prostitution and in their minds they are dating you and you are a generous suiter.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1499941]You should write back and ask her why exactly she thinks she deserves an expensive ass gift after just a few emails.

Can't blame a chica for trying but that is ridiculous!

MIA international is know for detaining folk, I was once stuck in the luggage search section and a new person / victim was coming down every few minutes[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coole Mr; 1499631]El Lobo Solo, good info, but. I am on a plane with 175 people on it and they pull out 3 African-American, they did not know my name, I was just exiting the plane. I am not a drug smuggler, I am a BMW (Black Man Working). If you are going to pull me out, pull everyone out and check them. The problem with this country is racism starts with the government and trickles down to all law enforcement agencies. We can move on, I have been going to D. R. 4 times a year for the last 12 years, and I have a blast with all the women, so not even Customs agents can spoil my joy.

Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]I'm a Single WMW (White Man Working) and I was pulled aside and went thru the same thing. I didn't feel it had anything to do with race. Just random checks. My 2 cents!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1500094]This is p4p not a dating site. If you buy a girl a cheap used phone or a tablet, how is it different from paying 3000 or 4000 pesos at a a SD casa for 2 hours. You can get way more value from the girl who asks for gifts and She may not be fucking guys every day. She will pretend to be your girl friend for a few days. Often the sex will improve with the comfort level of of knowing one another. Asking for gifts is not a game. It is the price of admission. You only have to know how to manage the exchange. We are looking for sex not love relationships. The girls are looking for material gain. Many girls do not see excepting gifts as prostitution and in their minds they are dating you and you are a generous suiter.[/QUOTE]

@Oldfool!

Sorry any chica pro, non-pro, or semi-pro that asks for a tablet and a Galaxy BEFORE even meeting me after a few emails, gets deleted and blocked.
Are you really that big of a pendejo, or just like to disagree with other posters for the sake of disagreeing?

I agree a few "little gifts" are appropriate to make a girl feel compensated unlike a PRO, but a TABLET & a GALAXY, give me a break dude!
Hey, I even gave a chica a 4 year old Android phone last trip, wound up costing me substantially less out of pocket than cash for her, "non-pro" company.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1500090]You are right in my eye's the DR is racist. I have drove to just about all parts of the DR and never had my passport checked unless I was crossing the Board. Don't get me wrong I have been stopped at check points just like every one else but they never ask for my passport but if I have anyone black with me woman or man they always ask for there passport every time.[/QUOTE]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.

No big deal.

[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1499955]I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.

I mentioned that I learned in Sosua that many of the Rumba girls are cutthroat. I took one out that was sweet in Rumbas and then when I got her to the hotel, she became all business: only Mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. Etc.

With chicks after that, I looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. If I went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.

I met mongers that said the same thing. Make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]Try a different mongering venue.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1500094]This is p4p not a dating site. If you buy a girl a cheap used phone or a tablet, how is it different from paying 3000 or 4000 pesos at a a SD casa for 2 hours. You can get way more value from the girl who asks for gifts and She may not be fucking guys every day. She will pretend to be your girl friend for a few days. Often the sex will improve with the comfort level of of knowing one another. Asking for gifts is not a game. It is the price of admission. You only have to know how to manage the exchange. We are looking for sex not love relationships. The girls are looking for material gain. Many girls do not see excepting gifts as prostitution and in their minds they are dating you and you are a generous suiter.[/QUOTE]The problem with this perspective is that it assumes the chica is going to look at getting gifts from a stranger in a positive and constructive light. Resulting in her supposedly being your pretend girlfriend for a few days.

There is more reason to avoid that perspective than to take chances believing in it. The reason why it's poor judgement to buy gifts for an internet babe (you never met) , is the mere fact a dude doesn't know if he really wants to spend time with that chica, once he meets her. Why spend money on someone you don't even know yet? Also, the strong possibility she is asking a dozen or more guys like you to bring the same exact gifts she expects from you. Also the strong possibility she is fucking different dudes here and there, when it is their turn and you are away.

The other reason is. Mongering 101 is, you arent supposed to make yourself look like a mark in the DR by buying gifts for a stranger. These chicas are smart enough to realize how weak a dude makes himself look to be buying her gifts, someone he has never met or developed a relationship with? You said, often the sex will improve with the comfort level of knowing each other. I can buy that. But thats assuming a guy wants to spend more time with a chica. That interest could be short lived. Suppose after one encounter he realizes the girl can't fuck or please him the way he likes? Does it make sense to invest money on an internet babe before meeting them? Buying gifts is sort of a personal gesture. You don't know the chica yet. So a dude looks more like a desperate fool, than just being generous.

If it is p4p, then why on earth should a dude buy gifts to someone he isn't dating? I imagine some cats are afraid to say no to a chica who asks for gifts, thinking she isn't going to be his GF when he finally meets her. Or that the sex with her is going to be weak because she feels slighted. Thats another weak assumption. Buying gifts is not the price of admission. Not for GFE or having a pretend GF for a few days. Agreeing to and Paying for the chica for her services, thats the price of admission. And the price to make her leave. Chicas have to meet the price of admission to a man wallet, before requests for gifts should be honored. And no dude with an ounce of self respect should be reinforcing to a chica, she deserves gifts for doing nothing.

If it's p4p, then a chica should render services and expect payment based on their agreement or arrangement. Many chicas suddenly stop communicating with a dude who refuses or declines to buy gifts. That should be a wake up call that the chica was simply using a dude. If a dude has never told a chica no, or is afraid to say no, he probably doesn't realize that he would have been dropped by that same chica he assumes is his pretend GF. So it's easier to maintain the delusion, that ones gifts is going to be the price of admission to a better experience. Often, it's older dudes chasing chicas 20 and 30 yrs younger, who are quicker to rationalize spoiling these chicas with lure tools, with the assumption they are going to get a better experience.

That GF act is just an illusion to keep the dude in the whirlpool of continuing being generous. In many instances we have talked about how poor these women are supposed to be. So it should resonate as a red flag to any monger, when a chicas (a stranger) priorities are for a phone / tablet or some other non essential item, instead of food, shelter or necessary clothing.

The difference between spending 3 or 4 k in casa for 2 hours, instead of buying a tablet/phone is simply this : After the 3 or 4k is paid, you go about your business. When you open the door to buying gifts for strangers, you run the risk of still having to pay considerably more. Because the chica expects to be paid for her time/sex. And since she doesnt look at asking for gifts as prostitution ( as you say ) , she wont look at the gifts as a reason to reduce how much you pay her when you keep her for a few days. Meanwhile you'll be feeding her, paying for incidentals she springs on you ( money for pharmacy, minutes for phone, rent, internet,transportation, money for a family member ) etc. You have opened yourself to pay considerably more when dealing with a stranger who requests gifts for doing nothing. Thats the difference.

[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1499955]I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.

I mentioned that I learned in Sosua that many of the Rumba girls are cutthroat. I took one out that was sweet in Rumbas and then when I got her to the hotel, she became all business: only Mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. Etc.

With chicks after that, I looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. If I went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.

I met mongers that said the same thing. Make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]Thanks.

Very informative and current.

[quote=vicveg; 1499955]i gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. oh well.

i mentioned that i learned in sosua that many of the rumba girls are cutthroat. i took one out that was sweet in rumbas and then when i got her to the hotel, she became all business: only mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. etc.

with chicks after that, i looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. if i went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.

i met mongers that said the same thing. make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.

what do you think?[/quote]i think you can increase your chances of having better experiences and less drama overall, if you fish outside of a stricly p4p environment. we all take our chances when we fish in sosua (mostly p4p ). especially dudes on vacation for only a few days. the benefit of taking more time with a chica can help you in looking for obvious red flags. however sometimes you just don't know what you are going to get from a chica until you get her back to your spot. i got with chicas i knew and found out too late that they werent going to meet my expectation this time around. they had before, so i assumed there was no need to ask. if i had of known ahead of time what to expect, i would have sought company with someone else.

my point is. these chicas survive on the fact that their underlying intentions or performance is not easy to confirm or regulate. they are in a better position because they can act, lie, deflect, omit, or rely on a mongers ignorance to get by. if you could consistently avoid paying for shitty service, reneging or bait and switch (without drama or consequences) , we wouldn't be talking about this issue as much as we do. as a monger we don't have any real back up or protection from bs. sometimes you can dismiss a chica unrep001hed. another time you would have wished you just paid her to leave. other than that, any new encounter one is still taking a chance. i think time in the game helps a lot towards better experiences, and increasing ones ability to spot potential problems. i think some guys who are extremly horny for some ass have it harder. because that urge to fuck takes over reason, logic and the ability to be patient when it comes to vetting chicas.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1497567]I just got back from a week in Sosua[/QUOTE]Don't know how I missed your write up. Thanks for the extensive report. Its reports like yours that make ISG membership worthwhile. Personally, I find these kinds of contributions most informative and valuable. Chris Long is an example to follow for information, however, I also appreciate your more intimate/personable approach.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1499955]I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.[/QUOTE]I missed your report and it seems many others did. The reason is an idiosyncrasy in the way this boards works. Most of the regular posters' contributions appear immediately but newbies' posts are censored first. By the time they actually appear they might be two or more pages back and are missed altogether by those like me who only bother to check out the latest posts.

Having found your post I have to ask why you posted it in Old English prose poem format with spaces between every two or three lines? Spending a few minutes editing it into legible English might have won you more readers and comments.

Thanks for taking the trouble to report and at such length, but it was fairly depressing reading. I am sure if you had been better organized and with a more positive attitude you would have had a better trip. I hope you do next time, but if that is an example of following Cuba Dave's teachings then I am not impressed.

[quote=wrx2005;1500202]my point is. these chicas survive on the fact that their underlying intentions or performance is not easy to confirm or regulate. they are in a better position because they can act, lie, deflect, omit, or rely on a mongers ignorance to get by. if you could consistently avoid paying for shitty service, reneging or bait and switch (without drama or consequences) , we wouldn't be talking about this issue as much as we do. as a monger we don't have any real back up or protection from bs.[/quote]dominican prostitutes are not licensed professionals or board certified sex therapists or surrogates. sometimes chicas will pull out all the stops for you if they like you, see you are a future important person in their life, or just as a regular client. if none of these apply, their sexual performance tends to be perfunctory. thus it is a complete waste of time looking for professional levels of performance.

on the other hand the charm of the situation is that if it works out right, you can have a fantastic time with some of them, and it hardly seems like prostitution at all. compare this with the women who advertise themselves in places like backpage. com and i think most guys would agree that the chicas of sosua win hands down. would a woman from backpage. com introduce you to their family? (actually i have never hired a woman from backpage. com, so i don't really know, but then the whole idea lacks appeal due to the unappealing nature of the advertisements.)

Let me first clear the air. I do not like like you wrn. He constantly has issues with girls because he is an ass hole When it comes to hooking up with DR chicas he could not carry my jock. I buy gifts for girls I have talked to or seen on skype. When I feel I have good chemistry I use a gift they want and is in my budget to bait the trap. I often am the one who suggests bringing something they would like that is expensive in the DR but not so in the US. Why pay a casa working girl who is fucking every day 4000 pesos for an hour when you can have non or semi pro for 2 days for almost same price and screw on demand The girls I deal with want to be with me because they have a good time. When you have chemistry they do not try to leave early they try to stay longer. The sex is usually very good because they are trying to be on your good side and trying not to leave because they want to know you better and benefit from someone who treats them with respect.

If you are a jerk they want to get their money and run. I have read WRNX reports and it happens often with him. I am very tight with my cash trust me but I always get my monies worth. The sex is better and you can save money and time when you have a girl giving you GFE For those who have time to cultivate their chicas this method has provided me with some awesome experiences. I have never been stood up or scammed. I think because I spoil my girls and manipulate them to our mutual benefit. In closing when a girl tells you what she wants do not freak out use their wants to get what you want as well. Both parties are playing a game. Neither party has clean hands. Treat the girls well and you will be rewarded with some awesome times. The girls I meet like this do not ask for cash but I always provide them some expense money when they leave. I generally spend less money then when I am banging freelancers at 1500 pesos per pop There is no p4p appearance. I give travel money to get to my location and a small cash gift with the present they requested. 2000 to 4000 pesos based on how many days we are together when they leave. The girl has her self esteem because she was not treated like a puta. Banging young girls when you are almost 60 is going to cost. So get the best bang for your bucks.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1500157]The problem with this perspective is that it assumes the chica is going to look at getting gifts from a stranger in a positive and constructive light. Resulting in her supposedly being your pretend girlfriend for a few days.

I agree. I understand this is a business but I think there's room to make a connection.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1500227]Treat the girls well and you will be rewarded with some awesome times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1499955]I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.

I mentioned that I learned in Sosua that many of the Rumba girls are cutthroat. I took one out that was sweet in Rumbas and then when I got her to the hotel, she became all business: only Mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. Etc.

With chicks after that, I looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. If I went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.

I met mongers that said the same thing. Make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]Your first mistake was begging her to do anything. You have to have the attitude like this is YOUR show and what you what far outweights her objections. When you go to a Subway restaurant do you have to beg them to make you the sandwich you want? No! So don't accept bullshit from these chicas.

Try to vet them out for at least 10-15 mins before going anywhere and be clear about what you want. No doggy style? Get out! No photos? Get out! Some girls are lazy and if they see a weak guy they'll take advantage so they won't have to work as hard. If she's going to change the agreement then let her know she won't be getting the same pay. Don't play their game and don't let them control the interaction, the minute they try something you have the punish them for it.


[QUOTE=OldKool;1500094]This is p4p not a dating site. If you buy a girl a cheap used phone or a tablet, how is it different from paying 3000 or 4000 pesos at a a SD casa for 2 hours. You can get way more value from the girl who asks for gifts and She may not be fucking guys every day. She will pretend to be your girl friend for a few days. Often the sex will improve with the comfort level of of knowing one another. Asking for gifts is not a game. It is the price of admission. You only have to know how to manage the exchange. We are looking for sex not love relationships. The girls are looking for material gain. Many girls do not see excepting gifts as prostitution and in their minds they are dating you and you are a generous suiter.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't talking about cheap though

If she's audacious enough to ask for the latest phone and tablet after a few emails then she needs to have a damn compelling reason why I should. Admittedly I'm not a big gift giver, I find you can get a better experience when you get her to do thing for you not the other way around.

[quote=frannie; 1500224]dominican prostitutes are not licensed professionals or board certified sex therapists or surrogates. sometimes chicas will pull out all the stops for you if they like you, see you are a future important person in their life.

compare this with the women who advertise themselves in places like backpage. com and i think most guys would agree that the chicas of sosua win hands down.[/quote]i entirely agree.

1) my very first time visit to sosua, i brought a few small gifts like t shirts and they were appreciated by the sosua girls. mostly because it was a gesture they did not expect and even though i have not tried sosua bar women since then, i cannot think of any reason why even in sosua, if one keeps their eyes skinned, be not drunk out of their wits and treat a person right, one should have a "bad" experience unless one is programed to treat these women like the proverbial shit and get the same in return.

2) speaking of women elsewhere on the island, i have had situations, where girls came to meet from elsewhere or i took them (one at a time of course) to a different place (for the night mind you, food and travel included) , nothing, absolutely nothing, happened. this is par for course if you are looking for a different experience. at times, there are glitches but that is what makes the experience so much richer and the payback is just pushed forward and let's not compare with the back page thing. while i have had some good experiences, they can be equally harrowing.

3) bringing a gift (of course galaxy is a completely ludicrous thing and should not be mixed with other more tempered expectations) or breaking bread are experiences that can render a standard sexual experience to a much superior one. especially over the long haul, should the first experience be positive, and one (almost always the man) , has the foresight to treat the other right and lay down the rules. of course, if one is always measuring the give and take, with the expectation that they be equal if not tilted in the man's favor. there are bound to be rude wake up calls. the thing is, i might even expect that from young people but from older folks who know that life is not always fair, is a sad reflection.

[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1497567]I met a girl that looked nice, and I needed to release the load I saved up for 3 days. I was unfamiliar with the.

Scene, but said what the F. We went back, and she became all business. She gave a decent BBBJ, but then for sex, she.

Only wanted mish, and I had to beg her to get on top. NO Doggy allowed. What a jip. So I became somewhat guarded after that.

-If you don't let a chica know you are in control she will short change you. I begged her to get on top! LOL Who had the money! Do you beg for no onions on your whopper! If they give you onions do you except it without correction! She played on the fact that you were unfamiliar with the system. I also was a victim my first rodeo-

A few nights later, I talked to an old timer monger and he said I needed to find an average looking girl that seemed nice.

-Is he trying to say you are not capable of buying a real hottie.

So I did, and she was good. Again, a great BBBJ, but kind of average body. She was fun though. I saw her the next night,

And she pursued me, so I took her back and did almost the same routine. She allowed CIM, with spit, which was nice.

-A repeat in Sosua on an average body girl. Did know one else pursue you? Well even though you caught the same fish (or she caught you) you enjoyed yourself-

My last night in Sosua, I said I needed to find one of the real hotties I saw out.

-OHHH now we know what you really wanted-

With huge attitudes, not catching your glance, and wanting you to pursue them! Imagine that, having to pursue a girl in

Sosua! LOL!

-Bunnies and Hunters you have to know how the play them both- Its not your fault when the bunnies are looking for the older white guys or the young hip hoppers. I would have been out of that zone too-

I was sitting at El Flow, watching the action at Rumba's, and a gringo was yelling at a local girl because she.

Made a RFM (request for money). He probably banged her, then she asked for additional money. He stormed out, and I talked to

Her, and she seemed nice.

I came up with a plan to tell if a girl is cut throat: ask her to go to another place and see how her attitude changes.

So I asked this girl if she wanted a coffee, and she said ok. So I took her down the street to a German joint, and she.

Was fine. So I felt ok with her, and took her home. She was thicker than I normally like, but it has its benefits. She.

Could take a pounding! I F'd her hard, and long. She took all 6 inches, without any problem, and the harder I f'd her,

The more she loved it! She was a lot more fun than the petite chicks! And again, she did a great BBBJ without having to.

Be asked!

-And she didn't asked for more money right! How much were you paying her? No that's not my business! I seems you caught a wounded duck and had good luck!.

Sit at a table near the shops and make eyes at girls and you can meet them there during the day.

- Did this work for you-

I came to suspect the girls in the bars either arent attactive enough, or don't have businesss skills.

Good enough to have repeat business, or just have the look the hip-hopper tourists like but arent to be there long enough.

To provide repeat business.

-So you are saying you didn't like the looks in the chicas in the bars? I am asking because I assume you are not a hip-hopper tourists-

-It seems hard to meet local, non-pro girls for sex. There was a Cute waitress that I liked, but didn't want to embarrass.

Me / her by asking her out.

-In Sosua Dude are you kidding me! Every man should have dineros in his pocket and a S on his chest. We shouldn't be embarrass talking to any chica about wanting to be with them. You seem to have great observation skills, didn't you see Its all about Pesos!.

If you go back to Sosua give me a heads up if you want a wingman!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1500202]These chicas survive on the fact that their underlying intentions or performance is not easy to confirm or regulate. They are in a better position because they can act, lie, deflect, omit, or rely on a mongers ignorance to get by.[/QUOTE]In my last trip I talked to as much mongers as I can, just say hi and where from and wish them good time, and at night I watch which girls they leave with, and we exchange stories and experiences when I see them again, when you know at leas 5 guys and ask them, how was last night, you get 5 real rates on 5 girls everyday, and its good for safety too. We are in the same boat so we should watch out for each other. Its less likely to be scammed or threatened when you show them that you know many mongers.

So much discussion about bullshit. This is how I roll, and this is how I roll; who gives a flying fuck!

Come here, have a fucking blast.

Sosua has not changed; the beach and streets are full of chicas!

Stop wasting Web space with silly fucking comments!

Yes, boots on the ground and finishing my 5th happy hour!

[quote=eltayeb;1500332]in my last trip i talked to as much mongers as i can, just say hi and where from and wish them good time, and at night i watch which girls they leave with, and we exchange stories and experiences when i see them again, when you know at leas 5 guys and ask them, how was last night, you get 5 real rates on 5 girls everyday, and its good for safety too. we are in the same boat so we should watch out for each other. its less likely to be scammed or threatened when you show them that you know many mongers.[/quote]intel among mongers is a very useful asset. i had the pleasure of warning a couple of guys ( they were friends of each other ) in rockys about that young chica suzy with the pimping mother. i had pulled him to the side, and pretended to ask him for money. a source told me another monger got involved with the girl and the mother a while back and had problems, with them trying to extort him. she supposedly is not even 18 yet. the guy i warned, who was talking to suzy for a while at a table, said goodbye and left. you could tell suzy thought she had scored a customer for sure. so she was disappointed when he ended the convo and left. he eventually came back but now with another girl.

suzy saw this and lost it. she got loud and boistrous and even confronted the girl inside of the restaurant. the guy was staying at rockys in the back. eventually she stormed out of rockys angry and upset (some of it feigned, imo ). the mother just sat in a seat nearby observing everything. the guy tried to be nice about it, and kept saying suzy is just like a daughter to him. which seemed to anger her even more. so imagine what could have happened if those two (mother and suzy) had set him up? both guys thanked me for the warning. even if the intel was wrong, why take that chance? especially since suzy does look like she is ****d. and who knows what other schemes her and the mother have in store for some unsuspecting monger?

[quote=wrx2005;1500401]intel among mongers is a very useful asset. i had the pleasure of warning a couple of guys ( they were friends of each other ) in rockys about that young chica suzy with the pimping mother. i had pulled him to the side, and pretended to ask him for money. a source told me another monger got involved with the girl and the mother a while back and had problems, with them trying to extort him. she supposedly is not even 18 yet. the guy i warned, who was talking to suzy for a while at a table, said goodbye and left. you could tell suzy thought she had scored a customer for sure. so she was disappointed when he ended the convo and left. he eventually came back but now with another girl.[/quote]is suzy dark skinned? i met a cute girl at rocky's but she looked **** so i didn't go for it

[quote=frannie; 1500224]dominican prostitutes are not licensed professionals or board certified sex therapists or surrogates. sometimes chicas will pull out all the stops for you if they like you, see you are a future important person in their life, or just as a regular client. if none of these apply, their sexual performance tends to be perfunctory. thus it is a complete waste of time looking for professional levels of performance.

on the other hand the charm of the situation is that if it works out right, you can have a fantastic time with some of them, and it hardly seems like prostitution at all.[/quote]i am in accord with what you are saying. whats important to note though is the word you used,"sometimes". point being,"sometimes" chicas will not pull out all the stops for you, even if they like you. oft time they don't know enough to like or dislike a guy. it's just business as usual. the reason being, a typical chica is fucking or has fucked dozens of other men just like you, including her dominican boyfriend. that is one of the most common reasons why a monger may experience sub par performance, bait and switch, and a whole array of issues. and it has nothing to do with anything he did wrong, or him turning her off. also, consideration can be given in regards to the difference in experience a "regular" customer that lives in the dr may have, from a guy that only comes a few times a year because he is on vacation. the guy that lives there is more likely to have a better connection with a chica, than the guy on vacation. as far as professional levels of service, i don't think anybody is suggesting the level of service should be professional. what guys are discussing, is simply getting the basics for what they believe they are paying for. whats expected doesn't require licensing or certifications. we understand these chicas are human beings, not machines. here we (some of us) discuss experiences and possible ways of avoiding obvious problems.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1500404]Is Suzy dark skinned?[/QUOTE]I think this is the Suzy he is referring to: [url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189455[/url]

[QUOTE=Shamester; 1500141]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.

No big deal.[/QUOTE]I realize that you speak the truth and that the news reports back you up on this.

It really sucks though and makes my black friends from Arizona not want to leave the little area of Sosua

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1500414]I think this is the Suzy he is referring to:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189455[/url][/QUOTE]Yes this girl calls her self Suzy.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1500367]So much discussion about bullshit. This is how I roll, and this is how I roll; who gives a flying fuck! Come here, have a fucking blast. Sosua has not changed; the beach and streets are full of chicas![/QUOTE]You and Gogo have the right attitude! Complaining does not get anyone anywhere especially when it is the man calling the shots. Have fun and upload some creative pictures. LOL

[QUOTE=Shamester; 1500141]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.

No big deal.[/QUOTE]Dominicans do, yknow since they're the vast majority of the D-O-M-I-N-I-C-A-N republic? LOL.

There's really no evidence to support that profiling prevents any kind of crime.

[QUOTE=Shamester; 1500141]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.

No big deal.[/QUOTE]Its never a big deal until- You become the victim.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1500457]I realize that you speak the truth and that the news reports back you up on this.

It really sucks though and makes my black friends from Arizona not want to leave the little area of Sosua[/QUOTE]He is speaking the truth, sort of. But there is a lot more to the question.

It is true that in proportion to their share of the population, dark-skinned men commit a disproportionate share of the crimes which the holiday visitor would worry about, like muggings, burglaries, etc. But this is no doubt the same in the United States and every country with a mixed population. It reflects that this section of the population is at the bottom of social ladder and has less chance of obtaining honest work at a living wage, so more likely to be idling and desperate. This is particularly true in the DR, where the real unemployment rate is probably around 50 percent. And because of the much greater proportion of the population which is not black, in absolute numbers most of such crimes are not committed by black people.

But there are other issues. For one thing, the news reports you mention are hopelessly unreliable. Any unsolved crime in those categories is automatically blamed on Haitians unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. This keeps everyone happy (except the Haitians). The Dominican population can feel secure in their delusional state that this is a democratic and developing country full of warm-hearted and honest people. And the police have a good excuse for their incompetence, trotting out the standard "It is believed the perpetrator(s) slipped back over the border into Haiti", while often pocketing hush money from the real culprits. One can only speculate as to how many Haitians and dark-skinned Dominicans have been framed and imprisoned or lynched for crimes of which they were innocent. I gather such things went on in the American Deep South a long time ago, but it far more widespread here.

Another point is that such categories of crime are, as in most countries, only a very small percentage of all crime committed. Embezzlement, scams, organized crime, drug dealing, tax avoidance, drunken driving crimes, etc, are vastly more common and will involved dark-skinned people very little as they don't have the opportunity to get involved and get their slice of the action. These crimes are overwhelmingly committed by lighter-skinned Dominicans, and the lighter the skin-color, and hence the higher up the social ladder, the greater the monetary value and the greater the impunity from conviction. At the highest levels of government and military, millions of dollars are routinely stolen. I would confidently guess that there are a hundred crimes committed by "non-black" people for every one by a dark-skinned person (and with ten thousand times the monetary value entailed), though I realise that most of them would not directly affect the short-stay tourist.

[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1499955]I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.

I mentioned that I learned in Sosua that many of the Rumba girls are cutthroat. I took one out that was sweet in Rumbas and then when I got her to the hotel, she became all business: only Mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. Etc.

With chicks after that, I looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. If I went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.

I met mongers that said the same thing. Make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]It is not just Rumba. My friends and I encountered the same thing at D'Latin. We all remarked that we didn't remember such deception from previous trips. On this trip in October we ran into a lot of bait and switch. Our solution was just as you suggested, a longer interview process. More conversation, a few more drinks. If we got the sense that the girl was not upfront, time to move on.

Sure it is a crap shoot but it can be fun. Since most guys are one and done the girls have no incentive to provide great service. They assume once you have banged them it is see you later. If you make them think that if they do a good job and you are happy that another session is possible. You may get a better bang for the bucks. However guys who speak no Spanish are not going to be able to convey this. If what you want is a one and done that works. Vet the girl for 30 minutes and see how anxious she is. Hard core girls are in a hurry but this does not mean they are not very good in the bed. I had a pro who was maybe the best lay I ever had. She took pride in fucking me into submission. In closing the Sosua honeys have no guarantees but each has potential that can be used to our benefit. The girls are willing to be courted.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim;1500593]It is not just Rumba. My friends and I encountered the same thing at D'Latin. We all remarked that we didn't remember such deception from previous trips. On this trip in October we ran into a lot of bait and switch. Our solution was just as you suggested, a longer interview process. More conversation, a few more drinks. If we got the sense that the girl was not upfront, time to move on.[/QUOTE]

I joined this Cupid Dating site about three weeks ago and posted photos with a caption saying looking for a friend for a week. I have received several replies and have been very upfront in telling the women that I will be in Sosua for a week and that I'm not looking for a wife or a serious relationship. Several of the women were not interested upon hearing this but some are game and I have been exchanging E-mails and collecting phone numbers. All of these women live near Puerto Plata, are from 22 to 32, and none of them speak English, I'm semi-fluent in Spanish so have been able to converse with them. I arrive the end of the week and it will be interesting to see how this goes with some of these women. I plan on inviting them to my hotel and meet them in the bar to interview them. Depending on how it goes I'll either cut them loose and pay for their travel expenses or negotiate short time in my room followed by potential long time depending on how we get along.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim;1500593]We all remarked that we didn't remember such deception from previous trips.[/QUOTE]Could it be that the girls are stressed because they think that Sosua might be in the process of getting ride of their business? They might be thinking what to do if that happen, they might be looking now for the big hits and cashing out what they can in a short period. You know, even if you like your job you can't relax and enjoy it if you found out that your company is thinking of firing you in couple years.

My first trip to Sosua is coming up. I had one question the answer I couldn't find in a search, although I think it may be in there. Do you need to know Spanish to speak with the girls and for the trip in general? How much Spanish? Fluent? Beginner? I don't speak any Spanish.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1500589]He is speaking the truth, sort of. But there is a lot more to the question.

It is true that in proportion to their share of the population, dark-skinned men commit a disproportionate share of the crimes which the holiday visitor would worry about, like muggings, burglaries, etc. But this is no doubt the same in the United States and every country with a mixed population. It reflects that this section of the population is at the bottom of social ladder and has less chance of obtaining honest work at a living wage, so more likely to be idling and desperate. This is particularly true in the DR, where the real unemployment rate is probably around 50 percent. And because of the much greater proportion of the population which is not black, in absolute numbers most of such crimes are not committed by black people.

But there are other issues. For one thing, the news reports you mention are hopelessly unreliable. Any unsolved crime in those categories is automatically blamed on Haitians unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. This keeps everyone happy (except the Haitians). The Dominican population can feel secure in their delusional state that this is a democratic and developing country full of warm-hearted and honest people. And the police have a good excuse for their incompetence, trotting out the standard "It is believed the perpetrator (s) slipped back over the border into Haiti", while often pocketing hush money from the real culprits. One can only speculate as to how many Haitians and dark-skinned Dominicans have been framed and imprisoned or lynched for crimes of which they were innocent. I gather such things went on in the American Deep South a long time ago, but it far more widespread here.

Another point is that such categories of crime are, as in most countries, only a very small percentage of all crime committed. Embezzlement, scams, organized crime, drug dealing, tax avoidance, drunken driving crimes, etc, are vastly more common and will involved dark-skinned people very little as they don't have the opportunity to get involved and get their slice of the action. These crimes are overwhelmingly committed by lighter-skinned Dominicans, and the lighter the skin-color, and hence the higher up the social ladder, the greater the monetary value and the greater the impunity from conviction. At the highest levels of government and military, millions of dollars are routinely stolen. I would confidently guess that there are a hundred crimes committed by "non-black" people for every one by a dark-skinned person (and with ten thousand times the monetary value entailed) , though I realise that most of them would not directly affect the short-stay tourist.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the response it totally should give people a better perspective on the garbage the news puts out about Haitians. So far I have been treated better by Haitians in general all across the DR even in the highest mountains.

I ask myself why this is all the time.

Don't get me wrong I really like the DR and its people but the Haitians in the DR is like the Mexicans in the USA getting all the jobs because they work harder, faster, stronger, cheaper and so far for me more reliable.

[quote=wrx2005; 1500401]intel among mongers is a very useful asset. i had the pleasure of warning a couple of guys (they were friends of each other) in rockys about that young chica suzy with the pimping mother. i had pulled him to the side, and pretended to ask him for money. a source told me another monger got involved with the girl and the mother a while back and had problems, with them trying to extort him. she supposedly is not even 18 yet. the guy i warned, who was talking to suzy for a while at a table, said goodbye and left. you could tell suzy thought she had scored a customer for sure. so she was disappointed when he ended the convo and left. he eventually came back but now with another girl.

suzy saw this and lost it. she got loud and boistrous and even confronted the girl inside of the restaurant. the guy was staying at rockys in the back. eventually she stormed out of rockys angry and upset (some of it feigned, imo ). the mother just sat in a seat nearby observing everything. the guy tried to be nice about it, and kept saying suzy is just like a daughter to him. which seemed to anger her even more. so imagine what could have happened if those two (mother and suzy) had set him up? both guys thanked me for the warning. even if the intel was wrong, why take that chance? especially since suzy does look like she is ****d. and who knows what other schemes her and the mother have in store for some unsuspecting monger?[/quote]isn't this the suzy that trace79 wifed-up the last time he was in sosua?

Don't remember anyone posting this.

[url]http://youtu.be/_CNclNq-vQc[/url]

Take a gander for what it's worth.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons; 1500723]Don't remember anyone posting this.

[url]http://youtu.be/_CNclNq-vQc[/url]

Take a gander for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]For what it is worth, closing of Passions and CMP is worth nothing! It is like shooting fish in a barrel; might as well go to Blackbeards for the rookies.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1500612]Sure it is a crap shoot but it can be fun. Since most guys are one and done the girls have no incentive to provide great service. They assume once you have banged them it is see you later. If you make them think that if they do a good job and you are happy that another session is possible.[/QUOTE]I agree that seemed to be the attitude of most of the girls we came across in October. That attitude is the polar opposite of girls in Brasil and in some respects Costa Rica. In those countries if they can get you back to the room, they try their best to make sure you want to will do a repeat session. They talk big in the streets and try their best to back it up between the sheets. That is definitely the case in Brasil. Costa Rica has fallen off a bit, but the Ticas are still trying to keep up with the Colombians, Nicaraguans and Panamanians working their turf. And of course you can run across a scammer in those places.

In the DR, it just required a lot more playful conversation before you clearly laid down the rules of engagement and gave the girl the lets go sign. You are correct, it is best if you don't come off as a pump and dump, even if that is your intention. A good time can easily be had, and I enjoyed myself to the utmost. I will be back, but not before making a trip to Colombia (my first ever) and then Brasil in December.

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim; 1500793]I agree that seemed to be the attitude of most of the girls we came across in October. That attitude is the polar opposite of girls in Brasil and in some respects Costa Rica. In those countries if they can get you back to the room, they try their best to make sure you want to will do a repeat session. They talk big in the streets and try their best to back it up between the sheets. That is definitely the case in Brasil. Costa Rica has fallen off a bit, but the Ticas are still trying to keep up with the Colombians, Nicaraguans and Panamanians working their turf. And of course you can run across a scammer in those places.

In the DR, it just required a lot more playful conversation before you clearly laid down the rules of engagement and gave the girl the lets go sign. You are correct, it is best if you don't come off as a pump and dump, even if that is your intention. A good time can easily be had, and I enjoyed myself to the utmost. I will be back, but not before making a trip to Colombia (my first ever) and then Brasil in December.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are going 2 place's real soon that are known for good times. I hope you have the time of your life. Enjoy and keep us posted on your good times

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1500414]I think this is the Suzy he is referring to:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189455[/url][/QUOTE]Exactly! Thats her. In fact that photo makes her look older. But up close and personal she acts and looks younger.

[quote=the mind bender;1500404]is suzy dark skinned? i met a cute girl at rocky's but she looked **** so i didn't go for it[/quote]no she isn't. she is light skinned. currently sporting light brown hair. about 5' or 5' 1". slim build. has sort of a raspy voice. speaks spanish and a little english.

[QUOTE=Klove48;1500671]Isn't this the Suzy that Trace79 wifed-up the last time he was in Sosua?[/QUOTE]Yes it is!

[QUOTE=Grub1;1500090]You are right in my eye's the DR is racist. I have drove to just about all parts of the DR and never had my passport checked unless I was crossing the border. Don't get me wrong I have been stopped at check points just like every one else but they never ask for my passport but if I have anyone black with me woman or man they always ask for there passport every time.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Shamester;1500141]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.[/QUOTE]I think you two guys have missed the point.

The DR is certainly totally and institutionally racist, but the example Grub1 gives is not a good one. They are far more likely to be checking for illegal immigrants than for those who have committed crimes in the DR, and while there are many lighter-skinned Haitians they have a massive social and economic advantage in their own country (Haiti is even more racist than the DR, if possible) and far less likely to be driven to take the risky step of entering the DR illegally, so the DR police won't bother to check lighter-skinned people when looking for illegal immigrants.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1500910]I think you two guys have missed the point.

The DR is certainly totally and institutionally racist, but the example Grub1 gives is not a good one. They are far more likely to be checking for illegal immigrants than for those who have committed crimes in the DR, and while there are many lighter-skinned Haitians they have a massive social and economic advantage in their own country (Haiti is even more racist than the DR, if possible) and far less likely to be driven to take the risky step of entering the DR illegally, so the DR police won't bother to check lighter-skinned people when looking for illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]Agree. Most likely the racial profiling is due more about immigration than crime. Appears Sousa does not want to be another Phuket.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1500628]Could it be that the girls are stressed because they think that Sosua might be in the process of getting ride of their business? They might be thinking what to do if that happen, they might be looking now for the big hits and cashing out what they can in a short period. You know, even if you like your job you can't relax and enjoy it if you found out that your company is thinking of firing you in couple years.[/QUOTE]Sounds reasonable.

So it's not true?

With 73% mixed race I've almost believed it.

How can racism affect an expat?

"The last census conducted in the country estimates the population as 73% mixed race (wikipedia)."

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1500910]I think you two guys have missed the point.

The DR is certainly totally and institutionally racist, but the example Grub1 gives is not a good one. They are far more likely to be checking for illegal immigrants than for those who have committed crimes in the DR, and while there are many lighter-skinned Haitians they have a massive social and economic advantage in their own country (Haiti is even more racist than the DR, if possible) and far less likely to be driven to take the risky step of entering the DR illegally, so the DR police won't bother to check lighter-skinned people when looking for illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1500910]I think you two guys have missed the point.

The DR is certainly totally and institutionally racist, but the example Grub1 gives is not a good one. They are far more likely to be checking for illegal immigrants than for those who have committed crimes in the DR, and while there are many lighter-skinned Haitians they have a massive social and economic advantage in their own country (Haiti is even more racist than the DR, if possible) and far less likely to be driven to take the risky step of entering the DR illegally, so the DR police won't bother to check lighter-skinned people when looking for illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]So your right about Haiti being more racist. The times I have mentioned the check points only checking the black peoples passport that were with me were of dark skin so I guess you may be right there as well.

1 thing I do know for sure is that most Dominicans I have associated with do not like the Haitians

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1500925]So it's not true? With 73% mixed race I've almost believed it. How can racism affect an expat? "The last census conducted in the country estimates the population as 73% mixed race (wikipedia)."[/QUOTE]Be careful because Jackson does not want us speaking on this subject. But I would have to ask if these were educated chicas that you speak of, because all of the educated chicas that I know are sure it exists.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1500612]Sure it is a crap shoot but it can be fun. Since most guys are one and done the girls have no incentive to provide great service. They assume once you have banged them it is see you later. If you make them think that if they do a good job and you are happy that another session is possible. You may get a better bang for the bucks. However guys who speak no Spanish are not going to be able to convey this. If what you want is a one and done that works. Vet the girl for 30 minutes and see how anxious she is. Hard core girls are in a hurry but this does not mean they are not very good in the bed. I had a pro who was maybe the best lay I ever had. She took pride in fucking me into submission. In closing the Sosua honeys have no guarantees but each has potential that can be used to our benefit. The girls are willing to be courted.[/QUOTE]Your perspective is flawed or at least debatable. Earning as much money as possible is one of the biggest incentives to providing great service or the very least, service the chica agreed to. Once again you try to place the reasons for chicas performance mostly on mongers, rather than the fact that many of these chicas are simply lazy, slick, hard core, hate having to trick, have enough men to fuck in their lineup, or some other personal reason. None of which has anything to do with the individual monger in front of them.

You say the girls are willing to be courted? Really? Only to whom it applies. Not every chica, especially in Sosua is willing to or looking to be courted. BTW, just because chicas experienced some guys that are one and done, or those trying to get as many chicas as possible, that is no excuse for what some of these chicas are doing. There are plenty of dudes still trying to get chicas for TLN, or GFE. However many of these chicas among the lot are trying to find a way to renege on staying their TLN that they agreed to. Have no interest in GFE with a guy. Try to upsale a guy in his hotel. Many of these chicas, want to get back on the strip as quickly as they can to get another dude. If anything, thats the reason why many mongers have decided not to do TLN or look for GFE. How many dudes are going to look for repeat sessions from a chica sitting up in Rumbas minutes after he fucked her? If she was all that, he can hit that later. Nobody is buying that nonsense that chicas have no incentive to provide great service. Enough chicas give mongers no incentive to repeat or to offer a tip.

You got mugs spoiling chicas by doing things for them that they don't deserve. You got chicas with guys on WU payroll, paying rent and other crap. So some are simply trying to make pocket change. Those are some of the things that contribute to some chicas not having incentive to provide good / great service. What enough guys are observing, the earlier in the evening or day they got a chica, the more likely she will want to make it quick so she can hit the strip again. Some guys and chicas actually prefer those type of hookups.

Nothing personal but I am not having the problems with the girls you seem to have. I am not an easy customer. I make the girls put out. I bring toys and like to play a bit. I think you make things to complicated. Most girls struggle to get 3 guys a week. There are always way more guys then girls. Most girls are 6, 7 or 8s. The 9 and 10s pull all the guys first. It is a buyers market. I have 8s begging me for 1000 peso sessions because there are so many hot babes competing. I am a saleman by profession and have great people skills. So I may have a edge having my way with the ladies. I talk to the girls which I think most guys don't. The girls want to make money for sure but it is very tough. I try to build a repore if I like them. I get the number and I have a futur fuck buddy. When I call they are thrilled to hook up again and the sex gets better. The numbers are always in our favorr.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1501039]Your perspective is flawed or at least debatable. Earning as much money as possible is one of the biggest incentives to providing great service or the very least, service the chica agreed to. Once again you try to place the reasons for chicas performance mostly on mongers, rather than the fact that many of these chicas are simply lazy, slick, hard core, hate having to trick, have enough men to fuck in their lineup, or some other personal reason. None of which has anything to do with the individual monger in front of them.

Thank you for getting my trip report into the mix. I think DR is good as it is close to the US, and Sosua is so close to POP airport, it makes it easy. But, in general, as far as the girls go, there are better options. Brazil has the Thermas', Germany has the FKKs, and the Philipines has online dating (they all speak English there) , and of course the bars.

Sosua seemed like a Hip Hoppers Paradise (I don't want to be racial, so I will leave it at that). Besides for the few Old Timer European and Canadian Ex-Pats, most of the tourists staying for a week or so, are the Hip Hopper Crowd. And the bars cater to them with the Rap Music, and the girls with the Big Asses etc.

All I could think about when I was with the cut throat girl was 'you had better not pull this crap with a Hip Hopper from NY City etc, as he is to kick you out on your ass'. I am not going to wind up in a DR jail, but a Hip Hopper with some Cerveza in him is not to care so much.

But rather than spend a lot more money and flight time for a vacation in Brazil, Germany, or the Philipines, I will go back to the DR. It is a fun beach time, relatively low stress, and there are alot of nice mongers to talk to, and some nice girls if you be smart and look around etc.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1500925]So it's not true?[/QUOTE]I will tell you what others on this board have told me. Look it up. Start with reading the news paper in the DR. The news changes daily so you must look at it daily to keep up. If you are not already reading this you will be surprised

[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1501056]Thank you for getting my trip report into the mix. I think DR is good as it is close to the US, and Sosua is so close to POP airport, it makes it easy. But, in general, as far as the girls go, there are better options. Brazil has the Thermas', Germany has the FKKs, and the Philipines has online dating (they all speak English there) , and of course the bars.

Sosua seemed like a Hip Hoppers Paradise (I don't want to be racial, so I will leave it at that). Besides for the few Old Timer European and Canadian Ex-Pats, most of the tourists staying for a week or so, are the Hip Hopper Crowd. And the bars cater to them with the Rap Music, and the girls with the Big Asses etc.

All I could think about when I was with the cut throat girl was 'you had better not pull this crap with a Hip Hopper from NY City etc, as he is to kick you out on your ass'. I am not going to wind up in a DR jail, but a Hip Hopper with some Cerveza in him is not to care so much.

But rather than spend a lot more money and flight time for a vacation in Brazil, Germany, or the Philipines, I will go back to the DR. It is a fun beach time, relatively low stress, and there are alot of nice mongers to talk to, and some nice girls if you be smart and look around etc.[/QUOTE]Each time you go you will learn new and better ways of doing things. That hip hop shit is just part of life now on the street but when you get with the girl of you liking it is your game to play or should I say your music to play

[QUOTE=OldKool;1501047]Nothing personal but I am not having the problems with the girls you seem to have. I am not an easy customer. I make the girls put out. I bring toys and like to play a bit. I think you make things to complicated. Most girls struggle to get 3 guys a week. There are always way more guys then girls. Most girls are 6, 7 or 8s. The 9 and 10s pull all the guys first. It is a buyers market. I have 8s begging me for 1000 peso sessions because there are so many hot babes competing. I am a saleman by profession and have great people skills. So I may have a edge having my way with the ladies. I talk to the girls which I think most guys don't. The girls want to make money for sure but it is very tough. I try to build a repore if I like them. I get the number and I have a futur fuck buddy. When I call they are thrilled to hook up again and the sex gets better. The numbers are always in our favorr.[/QUOTE]Let me set your arrogant ass straight. You don't need to compare your experiences to me or anybody else. For one, you only know a fraction of peoples experiences on this forum. Nobody comes to this forum thinking they need to post a certain way for sensitive / judgemental asses.

I concentrate more on sharing reports that include issues with chicas so as to help and relate to the experiences of other mongers. I never said or indicated most of my encounters with "the girls" are laden with problems. But for some reason your weed induced brain keeps processing bits and parts of information to that extreme? I don't know what your major malfunction is and why you do that? But I guess your inability to figure out how to properly use the quoting feature is indicative of some character defect of some sort. Because you still can't get that shit right either? There is no telling how your brain is processing information? You seem incapable of comprehending what others post in the context and spirit it was conveyed.

But since you brought up the comparison. None of the basic shit you do for or with chicas is unique or special. Many of us have rapport with chicas we know. We all get and have numbers for future hookups, many of us also have chicas who are thrilled to hook up again. Being generous with chicas we find special is par for the course. There is nothing special anyone needs to report about that. So stop assuming you are special, and most mongers are pumping and dumping chicas.

As they say in Haiti "Milat pov se neg, eg rich se milat" that is 'a poor mulatto is black, a wealthy black is mulatto'. Looks like a universal rule.

[QUOTE=Questner;1501128]As they say in Haiti "Milat pov se neg, eg rich se milat" that is 'a poor mulatto is black, a wealthy black is mulatto'. Looks like a universal rule.[/QUOTE]

I Agree.

The race topic is over sensitive to some, and I think its the most misunderstood concept among most people.

When I get special care in every airport because I'm middle eastern it doesn't bother me, it will actually worry me if they didn't, although I think as a percentage of the total population we have less crimes per year, but when we have a crime its big and stupid. So why take the risk?

If a random search in the airport is truly random that would mean they don't have any intelligence or system, or anything to follow, and they are just playing it luck, a random hit or miss.

Also when I moved to my new homeland and applied for a job, and the one who was born here took the job although we were equal in everything else, this also didn't bother me, and I think its normal, why take the immigrant and leave the citizen, I would do the same. Life is good for me now after I got more education and worked hard to prove myself and I started to move up. Why you get angry or give up because you think you were a victim of racism, Actually if you think out of the box you can have the stereotype of your race as an advantage in your side.

Racism in my opinion is when they refuse to take your donated blood or be scared of touching you.

I don't think this kind of stuff would discourage mongers from going to Sosua, but those that are culturally aware in the DR know about the perceptions of certain people, whether they are outwardly spoken or not in the little tourist town. [url]http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1063998?ref=feeds%2Flatest[/url]

Who gives a shit about the racial topic?

Trip reports you sorry fucks?

[QUOTE=MongerDave;1500647]My first trip to Sosua is coming up. I had one question the answer I couldn't find in a search, although I think it may be in there. Do you need to know Spanish to speak with the girls and for the trip in general? How much Spanish? Fluent? Beginner? I don't speak any Spanish.[/QUOTE]One answer you will find everywhere is that, if you spend your time in Sosua, you do not need any other language, as the women can muster some English. But of course that means you are not exactly going to discuss existentialism or say, Shakespeare with the women, after you are done with the romp. LOL.

There are also other locales like the Blackbeard (Cofresi?) and I forget the name of the other. In Puerto Plata, where the establishment is run by native north Americans and so language is not an issue. These are in close proximity to Sosua.

It is clear that to enjoy better what the island has to offer, it is always good to know the language but not knowing it is not going to be detrimental to your enjoyment especially if you stick to the places mentioned, this being your first trip.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=MongerDave;1500647]My first trip to Sosua is coming up. I had one question the answer I couldn't find in a search, although I think it may be in there. Do you need to know Spanish to speak with the girls and for the trip in general? How much Spanish? Fluent? Beginner? I don't speak any Spanish.[/QUOTE]I should be ok in Sosua my man. A lot of chicas speak a little English or have a chica friend that speaks for them. Spanish helps a lot but pesos are going to bridge the language barrier.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1501158]I don't think this kind of stuff would discourage mongers from going to Sosua, but those that are culturally aware in the DR know about the perceptions of certain people, whether they are outwardly spoken or not in the little tourist town.

[url]http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1063998?ref=feeds%2Flatest[/url][/QUOTE]Article says "The highly rate of Haitians being killed or massacred while working in the Dominican Republic is as high as 90." Really? 90% of Haitians in DR are killed? Pathetic journalism.

I'm thinking now that the Canadian dollar bill is plastic, to take Canadian this time, it will be easier to hide it, like in the fridge in a bowl of "Chicken Testicle Soup".
I never put cash in the safe, its the first searched spot in case I got fucked up one night, I saw on youtube how easy it is to open a safe, and it works as I tried it on difference safe, and I will only lose 20 dollar on every 1000 dollar using Canadian currency directly without switching to USD.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1501039]Your perspective is flawed or at least debatable. Earning as much money as possible is one of the biggest incentives to providing great service or the very least, service the chica agreed to. Once again you try to place the reasons for chicas performance mostly on mongers, rather than the fact that many of these chicas are simply lazy, slick, hard core, hate having to trick, have enough men to fuck in their lineup, or some other personal reason. None of which has anything to do with the individual monger in front of them.

- I am with Olk on this one and it is debatable. In my experience (not that long) most of the lazy, slick, hard core, hate having to trick chicas ect. Will give you a better performance if they see an incentive. The guy she just BBBJ, enslaved her naked body, and sometimes pounded her ass (literally) into submission is better than looking for a new guy if there is an incentive for staying. Street chicas learn quickly to read men. They study us, share notes, and experiences. They are evaluating and categorizing us as soon as we hit the block. If its all about the pesos- even a chica with 12 well paid WU novios will upgrade their performance if she thinks her new trick is going to be number 13. I never met a Sosua chica who said " I out here just for fun because had I have enough money". She would rather get 100 dollars from 1 man all night than 25 from four during the night. The man she observes and deal with will dictate her most of her actions. Hell " doy buenos consejos" will make a mostly lazy chica move. Ask an ex-pat why the same chica charges him less. Most of us have novias because that chica went the extra mile. She has learned the incentives of having a Main Man in opposed to going to trick on the Main Ave. We reap the rewards. At a cheaper cost hopefully! Talk to her and get in her head before the bed. Its saves headaches and correlates better experiences.

[quote=grownman1;1501441]hell " doy buenos consejos" will make a mostly lazy chica move.[/quote]i think we are over analyzing our experiences, i agree with all of you as you all had different experiences, but now you are trying to make rules out of this experiences to apply on all cases.

i think its simpler than that, a fuck is like a cab ride, you can get a taxi driver who like his job, play good music, chit chat and enjoy the ride since he is driving anyway, and he doesn't expect a ride repeat for being fun, its his personality, and you can get the driver who is angry and hate his life, drive fast to finish the job and get another ride then try to over charge you and so on, and you can get the driver who starts angry but you can change his mood with a jock or an interesting conversation, or the driver who starts fun then change his mood when you ask him to start the taximeter to pay the exact rate. same experiences with girls can be applied on this example, no one can claim after a hundred cab rides that he own the truth and can figure out for sure how his next ride will be.

therefore i think the best solution is to exchange intil on specific girls, like the **** trap suzi who was hanging out by ricky place, this was an awesome tip which helps all of us, thanks man for posting it.

[quote=eltayeb; 1501447]i think we are over analyzing our experiences, i agree with all of you as you all had different experiences, but now you are trying to make rules out of this experiences to apply on all cases.

my man i don't know if you were referring to me with this statement but you have me in the quote area. i would never try to apply rules for all experiences. i stated in my second sentence " in my experience (not that long) most of the lazy, slick, hard core, hate having to trick chicas ect. will give you a better performance if they see an incentive." "most" doesn't apply to "all" the last time i check.

therefore i think the best solution is to exchange intil on specific girls, like the **** trap suzi who was hanging out by ricky place, this was an awesome tip which helps all of us, thanks man for posting it.[/quote]- agree with you on this. a few weeks back i went so fall as the repost some of the earlier posts of guys and there warning of specific chicas. i suggested photos of them to warn other mongers. fannie started the forum but i think he was being sarcastic. i come here for the warning info others give to learn from them. reading these posts saved me from looking for little miss suzi q after trace talked about her. she might be over age but why chance it. well besides that cute little body, small frame, bella smile and uh you think she 18 yet? lol

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1501441]I am with Olk on this one and it is debatable. In my experience (not that long) most of the lazy, slick, hard core, hate having to trick chicas ect. Will give you a better performance if they see an incentive. The guy she just BBBJ, enslaved her naked body, and sometimes pounded her ass (literally) into submission is better than looking for a new guy if there is an incentive for staying. Street chicas learn quickly to read men. They study us, share notes, and experiences. They are evaluating and categorizing us as soon as we hit the block. If its all about the pesos- even a chica with 12 well paid WU novios will upgrade their performance if she thinks her new trick is going to be number 13. I never met a Sosua chica who said " I out here just for fun because had I have enough money". She would rather get 100 dollars from 1 man all night than 25 from four during the night. The man she observes and deal with will dictate her most of her actions. Hell " doy buenos consejos" will make a mostly lazy chica move. Ask an ex-pat why the same chica charges him less. Most of us have novias because that chica went the extra mile. She has learned the incentives of having a Main Man in opposed to going to trick on the Main Ave. We reap the rewards. At a cheaper cost hopefully! Talk to her and get in her head before the bed. Its saves headaches and correlates better experiences.[/QUOTE]I am in accord with what you conveyed here. Everyones experiences are pieces of the puzzle. Often we share experiences. Thats why we shouldnt be assuming we disagree with each other or our experiences are all completely different. The issue I was focused on is when OK claimed most mongers are one and done, and thats why chicas supposedly don't have an incentive to provide good service. I don't necessarily subscribe to that perspective. How do you measure that anyway?

If you have many mongers initiating having chicas stay all night (which means paying her more money) but many of these chicas are bailing once the dude nuts, trying to leave earlier than the agreed time, trying to up sell their services, how is the monger the one responsible for not providing an incentive to the chica? Moreover, how is it a chica is making the assumption the guy is not going to repeat with her? Of course the dude aint going to repeat. What incentive did she provide for him to repeat? In those instances, those arent monger issues, those are chica issues. Now what you provided it certainly applies because I have had that experience with chicas as well. But those were chicas that were OPEN to be persuaded by the incentive we offered.

A chicas performance can vary depending on whats going on with that chica. Which may not have anything to do with a monger not providing an incentive. I have chicas that love staying with me several days, and want more than I let them. But I also know chicas that are strictly about the hustle. I may get with them if I'm in the mood for them, and when we both are available. Sometimes it's great, sometimes not so. Still their main incentive is to get that dinero. But even regular chicas can take their regular mongers for granted and start slipping when it comes to their services.

And thats when they may need to be checked and reminded that they should provide the service that is expected or lose a customer. Mucho chicas and new ones every day in Sosua, are out there competing. No monger has to settle for slackers, slicksters or inconsistency. In fact, chicas in competition with each other for customers is definitely incentive for a chica to provide good services, so as to get repeat business. But we must also take into consideration. Many of these chicas are not business majors. Many of them live for the moment and dont think about investing to be better off another day. Enough of them have mentors telling them how they should conduct their encounters with mongers. Many of them are simply doing what they are being taught or trained to do. Back in the day, it was more common to see mongers with personable relationships with chicas. Chicas went to meet the dude and went with the dude to the airport when he was leaving. A lot of that has changed. I still see this happening, but not as much.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1501441]Street chicas learn quickly to read men. They study us, share notes, and experiences. They are evaluating and categorizing us as soon as we hit the block.[/QUOTE]So very true.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1501697]So very true.[/QUOTE]In addition to being very manipulative and great actresses.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1501165]Who gives a shit about the racial topic?

Trip reports you sorry fucks?[/QUOTE]Agree. Too many posters think they are great columnists.

In Sosua for the weekend. Plenty of working girls around town. So far I'm not impressed with the level of talent. Perhaps things will look better in terms of the quality tonight a D'Latin. The weather is great and the little beach looks good. I'm sure the weekend will be fun. I think Colombia has spoiled me LOL.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1501723]In addition to being very manipulative and great actresses.[/QUOTE]Manipulation of people is a science called "social engineering".

According to Wiki :

"Social engineering, in the context of information security, refers to psychological manipulation of people into performing actions or divulging confidential information. A type of confidence trick for the purpose of information gathering, fraud, or system access, it differs from a traditional "con" in that it is often one of many steps in a more complex fraud scheme."

So, like in every science there will be a smart successful scientist and obvious not smart one, and we should as well master our social engineering skills to be able to detect and counter attack :)

[QUOTE=Eltayeb; 1501798]Manipulation of people is a science called "social engineering".

According to Wiki :

"Social engineering, in the context of information security, refers to psychological manipulation of people into performing actions or divulging confidential information. A type of confidence trick for the purpose of information gathering, fraud, or system access, it differs from a traditional "con" in that it is often one of many steps in a more complex fraud scheme."

So, like in every science there will be a smart successful scientist and obvious not smart one, and we should as well master our social engineering skills to be able to detect and counter attack.[/QUOTE]Tru the my man

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1501769]In Sosua for the weekend. Plenty of working girls around town. So far I'm not impressed with the level of talent. Perhaps things will look better in terms of the quality tonight a D'Latin. The weather is great and the little beach looks good. I'm sure the weekend will be fun. I think Colombia has spoiled me LOL.[/QUOTE]DAMN is Colombia that much better!

[quote=eltayeb;1501798]we should as well master our social engineering skills to be able to detect and counter attack :)[/quote]disagree vehemently! a man-woman relationship is one of harmony, that of yin and yang! where is this speech of counter attack coming from? there is no war against women, and men should remember before we get too much ahead of ourselves that but for women, none of us would be around let alone talk of counter attacking women!

Grabed a chica out of D'Latin for 1000 pesos. Considering the ratio of women to men there is no reason to pay more than 1, 000 for short time especially based on the talent level. She stayed for over 2 hours.

Back in Sosua for the long weekend. Was out and about around 3 pm. Not much on the strip. Spent the afternoon on the beach drinkin beer and talkin with buddies. On the way back stopped and talked to a hot dark skinned dominicana. Offered 1500, she countered with 2000. Wanted her so I didn't sweat it. She was a good performer! Good BBBJ, condom full service. Back on the block for drinks. Not really blown away by the talent thus far. Spent most of the night talking and flirtin with bartenders. Good times!

Bro P there is no reason to pay 2000 pesos for day time loving. The word from org man is on point. You should have offered 1000 pesos and maybe counter with 1500 if she is real hot. It is a buyers market. You have way more options then she does. Never let your dick think for you. If you hava cash your are in charge.

[QUOTE=Brother P;1501995]Back in Sosua for the long weekend. Was out and about around 3 pm. Not much on the strip. Spent the afternoon on the beach drinkin beer and talkin with buddies. On the way back stopped and talked to a hot dark skinned dominicana. Offered 1500, she countered with 2000. Wanted her so I didn't sweat it. She was a good performer! Good BBBJ, condom full service. Back on the block for drinks. Not really blown away by the talent thus far. Spent most of the night talking and flirtin with bartenders. Good times![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1502036]Bro P there is no reason to pay 2000 pesos for day time loving. The word from org man is on point. You should have offered 1000 pesos and maybe counter with 1500 if she is real hot. It is a buyers market. You have way more options then she does. Never let your dick think for you. If you hava cash your are in charge.[/QUOTE]This is my fifth trip here this yr, plus one to sto dgo, and I'll be back next month. People are starting to ask me if I live here. I've got a few 1500 peso chicas on file if I want. At that moment I wanted her and I wasnt going to worry about 12 bucks. It's no biggie.

A good strategy is the get all the numbers of the girls you like during the night and hit them up in the afternoon for much less.

Most of these girls use whatsapp so it's easy to get in touch

Just so ya know, Cocorico on Sousa beach, #115, has the BEST piña coladas! 100 pesos! Don't start too early! Lmao!

When I stayed at Rocky's a few weeks ago, at night, it sounded like a cheap horror flick with so many chica's moaning and screaming (sensually) around the place. I almost laughed. One of my chicas moaned 'oh wee' over and over. She wasn't Haitian (as Oui is French for yes). Does anyone know what she was saying? Also, do others, at better hotels experience a lot of sex sounds through the night? Has any family-oriented hotels ever complained that you were making too much noise? That would be funny. Why do they think Sosua even exists except for a-whole-lotta sex?

[QUOTE=Brother P;1502046]At that moment I wanted her and I wasnt going to worry about 12 bucks. It's no biggie.[/QUOTE]+1. Plus we need to abolish the 10 character response requisute.

Tomjackin trip report now in the "Gogo forum".

[QUOTE=Brother P;1502078]Just so ya know, Cocorico on Sousa beach, #115, has the BEST piña coladas! 100 pesos! Don't start too early! Lmao![/QUOTE]Isn't that where Alexandra is working? Nice girl, I was banging her about 12 years ago.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1502139]When I stayed at Rocky's a few weeks ago, at night, it sounded like a cheap horror flick with so many chica's moaning and screaming (sensually) around the place.[/QUOTE]In the family oriented you will hear babies crying and kids fighting with their parents , so a Chica's moaning all night is awesome for me.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1502053]A good strategy is the get all the numbers of the girls you like during the night and hit them up in the afternoon for much less.[/QUOTE]Yes, this worked for me, a girl refused my 1200 peso because it was a weekend and she was hoping for more that night, and she was really hot, so I told her for tonight do your moves and get the biggest fish, but later call me when it slows down, and you have to help me find a girl tonight for a 1000 peso. And she did help me find a girl that night, and I did fuck her couple days later for 1000 peso when it was slower.

You know its black Friday today, same idea.

Witnessed something Wednesday night I had never seen before, a tranny right on the strip standing in front of D'Latin during prime time. Big boned strong jaw line looked like he could kick your ass if you said anything derogatory to him. Apart from that the place is out of control, good pussy everywhere. The closing of passions and CMP, the windows in front of the bars apart from looking stupid have not made a dent in the action along the strip it's as wild and fun as ever. Pussy Pussy Pussy ya got to love Sosua.

Chris

Rumba was packed last night. Good ratio. But fuck Rumba. Decided to go to a birthday party in Cabarete because the girls were cooking a feast and I wanted to see this chica's new house. Drank, ate, danced and set-up a road trip with her and her crew for Sunday. Returned to Sosua and stopped by a packed D'Latin. Grabbed a light skin chinky eyed gurl from Santiago for $1, 000. Service was very good.

First 2 days stayed at Casa Cayena but left because thier cook is now working at Baileys and the food and menu are wack compared to last year this time. Also had more of a New Garden feel to it this time. Staff are good people there.

Glad I left! Now staying in a 5 star location and every chica wants to chill when they see the spot. You got to hit these spots while they are hot cause shit changes. Excuse typos. Ciroc kicked my ass last night and typing on my phone.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1501939]Grabed a chica out of D'Latin for 1000 pesos. Considering the ratio of women to men there is no reason to pay more than 1, 000 for short time especially based on the talent level. She stayed for over 2 hours.[/QUOTE]Way to go O. A little feedback? 1, 000 pesos is good. Many dime chicas would scoff at a 1000 pesos up in D'Latins. What would you consider that chicas main motivation for not pursuing more, like 1500 or 2000 for ST? What time did you get to D'Latin, and what time was it when you left with that chica you grabbed? Any idea where she went after you were done with her?

I've heard a lot of mongers say you got to look for the quiet girl whose by herself, that's the one whose going to give you the GFE. Got up early and jogged. Can do that when I don't close D latins! LOL. Spent yesterday morning and early afternoon on the beach drinking and talking with buddies. Good times! Went to Rumbas around 4 looking for an afternoon delight. Lots of girls, many familiar. Wasn't feeling any of them. After awhile spotted a cute flaca, kinda a spinner sitting by herself. When she got to go the bathroom I seen she had a nice little ass and one of the sexiest walks I've seen in awhile! Switching that little ass side to side! I wanted in! When she came back I walked over and chatted with her for about tem minutes. My usual what's your name, where you from, just to feel her out. She was a cool girl. Told her I wanted BBBJ, condom full service, offered 1500. She says ok. Off we went. Had a beer and a glass of wine in the room. She had plenty of conversation! I was diggin this chica! Got down to business. Awesome BBBJ! Felt like 20 mins! I just let her go! She grabbed a condom, but first, I had to taste that coochi! I had her wet like niagra falls! Went in and she was pullin me in the whole time hugs and kisses! Whew! The best in awhile!

I'm usually one and done. But I wanted a round two. She politely told me that would be more! LOL! WTF? I offered 500 more and she accepted. Another good round! 2000 pesos well spent. Back to the strip for drinks. Calledit a night aroun 12. Lots of cute girls. Not many mongers. Brother out!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1502336]Rumba was packed last night. Good ratio. But fuck Rumba. Decided to go to a birthday party in Cabarete because the girls were cooking a feast and I wanted to see this chica's new house. Drank, ate, danced and set-up a road trip with her and her crew for Sunday. Returned to Sosua and stopped by a packed D'Latin. Grabbed a light skin chinky eyed gurl from Santiago for $1, 000. Service was very good.

First 2 days stayed at Casa Cayena but left because thier cook is now working at Baileys and the food and menu are wack compared to last year this time. Also had more of a New Garden feel to it this time. Staff are good people there.

Glad I left! Now staying in a 5 star location and every chica wants to chill when they see the spot. You got to hit these spots while they are hot cause shit changes. Excuse typos. Ciroc kicked my ass last night and typing on my phone.[/QUOTE]Hey O.

Curious what's the 5 star location?

Thanks Brother P, Orgasmico, and Chris Long for writing Reports in the Sosua REPORT section!

I will post Part 2 here as well!

The Girls Highlights / Lowlights:

Usually I like to have a couple of Happy Hours each trip to Sosua. But for whatever reason, I had a bunch this trip. And it is not because I'm a sport fucker, because I'm not that at all. And it is not because I have tons of leche, because I don't. It was because I had many opportunities to have multiple Happy Hours. Some girls I knew from previous trips, others just snuck up on my dumbass. It was a fast and furious 5 nights; here is what I remember.

The first afternoon I'm sitting in Rumba and a spinner walked up to me, said hello, and gives me a kiss on the cheek. There are not many spinners in Sosua! I'm looking forward to my first nut, so we went off for pool and rack operations. She took off her clothes and two things were clear: she was the only girl in town without an ass, but her great nipples made up for the loss of ass. WTH, let's do this!

At that point I should have taken a nap, but I have the sense of a tomato, so I headed back out. Later, one of my favorites shows up, about the time I was starting to stumble,"starting" is the key word here; I rarely stumble. She wants to take care of me, and who am I not to agree with a favorite. She is a tad chunky, but attitude goes a long way in my book. Yes, pool and rack operations were in order for the evening.

The Sisters:

One day at the beach, one of the girls I met through Herman came by and was sitting with me. She then asked if I wanted to do a Happy Hour with her and her sister. I thought,"Why would I not want to?" She called in her sister, and she was another thin spinner! Bathing wear was not needed, bras and panties served the purpose. Yes, pool and rack operations were in order for the late afternoon.

Good Friends:

One night I'm in D'Latin and another favorite came up and introduced her best friend from SD. I really liked both of them and wanted to give both a chance to make some pesos, so another WTH! You guessed it; pool and rack operations were in order for the evening.

Part-3 / Final (being typed)

[QUOTE=Brother P; 1502391]She grabbed a condom, but first, I had to taste that coochi! I had her wet like niagra falls! Went in and she was pullin me in the whole time hugs and kisses! Whew! The best in awhile!

Yo P!

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Arrived Thursday afternoon at Puerto Plata airport at 2 PM and was checked into Casa Cayene by 2:45 PM. Walked down to the beach around 3PM and found a skanky flaca and told her 1,000 pesos for un rato. She countered with 1,500 pesos and I said no and she said okay lets go. Got in room and she gave a killer BBBJ and turned out to be a horn dog playing with herself while banging. Finished up and sent her on her way. At around 6 PM I sent an E-Mail to a girl I met om Domincan Cupid and asked her if she wanted to come over and spend the night. She had previously told me should would spend the night for 2,000 pesos. I told her to come over at 10PM. I walked the strip to check out the action on Friday night at 9PM and there were a lot of chicas available and very agresive. I even walked in the street sometimes to avoid them but also talked with a few I liked, but just told them I wasn't available. At 10PM my Dominican Cupid amiga showed up. She is 28 years old, slender, with no kids. We sat out on the balcony and had some beers and talked for an hour, one thing led to another and we started making out and hit the bed. What a body, no scars, no stretch marks, and clean as a whistle! Gave her a massage and she melted while I went down on her. She reciprocated. Then we went at it and I couldn't pop as I had been up for 24 hours straight flying in from California. Went to bed around midnight and woke her around 4AM and banged her, then banged her again at 9AM. She left at 10 AM and I gave 2,600 Pesos. Had breakfast and hit the beach, went swimming and started looking around and ran into a cute flaca named Johana. She wanted 1,500 and I didn't feel like negotiating so said, okay but for two hours. Got in room and she gave a decent BBBJ but couldn't finish with her so cut her loose after an hour. She did try though. Ordered the shrimp dinner at Casa Cayene and although it was free, it wasn't any good so I walked down the road where Passions is and had a barbequed chicken. Then hit the strip and hung out for two hours. The talent level was subpar compared to Friday night and was raining off and on. Finally was confronted by a flaca name Rosa who I had meet on Friday night on the strip and she said she would go to the room for little money. I asked how much and she said 1,500 pesos and I kind of looked at her funny and then she said 1,000 Pesos that kind of surprised me as she was quite sexy. I said okay and that I would give her a propina for good service. We walked to the room, we took showers, had a beer and she laid me on the bed and gave a great BBBJ. Put the condom on and she got on top and rode me for a while. I tried some other positions with her and found cowgirl to feel the best which I finished in. She was quite the actress making like she was getting off and I told her she was a good actor and she chuckled. She was quite sexy and told me she usually wouldn't go for 1,000 Pesos but needed leche bad for her bambina. I gave her 1,300 Pesos. Tomorrow I have another girl I met on Dominican Cupid scheduled for a morning meeting and the one from Friday will be coming over on Sunday to spend the night.

Good report. I like the way he deals with the chicas. Agrees a low price but rewards good service appropriately.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1502585]Arrived Thursday afternoon at Puerto Plata airport at 2 PM and was checked into Casa Cayene by 2:45 PM. Walked down to the beach around 3PM and found a skanky flaca and told her 1,000 pesos for un rato. She countered with 1,500 pesos and I said no and she said okay lets go. Got in room and she gave a killer BBBJ and turned out to be a horn dog playing with herself while banging. Finished up and sent her on her way.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Thanks for sharing.

When you reward good performance you get a good time from that girl every time and a friend who will fuck your brains out. I love Sosua because you have so many young hotties to pick from. Some guys have no clue how to pick girls. If you are patient there jewels everywhere.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1502729]Good report. I like the way he deals with the chicas. Agrees a low price but rewards good service appropriately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1502787]Some guys have no clue how to pick girls. If you are patient there jewels everywhere.[/QUOTE]Agreed. This lies at the root of 90% of the complaints about problems and bad service. The other 10% of the time, well, maybe no-one could see what was coming.

Surfer obviously knows some Spanish which goes a long way. It is always best to let the girl show she likes you for more than just your $. Cut throat girls have difficulty showing a liking for anything but $.

I never want to go home! But I must! Spent most of Saturday afternoon at the beach drinking with friends! Analyizing everything under the sun! Good times! I was texting with the quiet girl from the night before. But by the time I got to rumbas she was gone. Oh well. Lots of talent in rumbas. Got a number from a cute morena I've been meaning to hit for awhile. Went to cucu bar with my buddies. Had a couple of drinks. My buddies went home, they live there so theyre never in a hurry for anything. I called the morena and she came down. Bought her a beer, offered 1500 no prob. She was ok. A little quick on the bbbj, but good otherwise. Should have went to sleep, but oh no! I had to hit the block! Rumbas and Dlatins were jumping, but I was just there for drinks. Had a good time drinkin and talkin. Woke up next to a girl I don't remember meeting. She said I had a good heart and she didn't come with me for money. She also said she had to go to work. Ok. Gave her 2 mil and sent her on her way. After breakfast and a nap my favorite haitian girl calls me. She didn't return my calls the night before. Says she was sleep. Ok. Whatever. I be there in two mins baby. She was there in 10. We hug and talk, got a quickie for 40 american. A good way to end my trip Ill be back in 3 wks. Workin o a girl at plan b and one at winners circle. We" ll see!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1502585]Arrived Thursday afternoon at Puerto Plata airport at 2 PM and was checked into Casa Cayene by 2:45 PM. Walked down to the beach around 3PM and found a skanky flaca and told her 1,000 pesos for un rato. She countered with 1,500 pesos and I said no and she said okay lets go.[/QUOTE]Way to go with your first Sosua TR!

It sounds like you are having fun!

Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Brother P;1502930]Woke up next to a girl I don't remember meeting.[/QUOTE]This is sometime scary, waking up in morning looking around trying to remember how you got back and what happen last night.

I've been breaking new ground in recent times while getting away from the monotonous (if I dare call it that) twice yearly routine of mongering in Thailand. Firstly it was Rio and then more recently the German FKK scene which followed a couple of trips to the Caribbean including the Dominican Republic & its fab little seaside resort of Sosua.

To be honest I neither have the time or inclination to go into details, suffice to say I had a fabulous time; GFE's with three different girls each lasting around four days, plus a trip to Blackbeards where I sowed wild oats for forty eight hours. As you do in a place like that.

All three of my GFE's were fabulous with the sex being as good as it possibly can get however, the girl who's photos I attach (Carolina) was just awesome. A beautiful tall slim bod, small ass, tight pussy (no babies) together with the most wonderful personality. Made this particular vacation one to remember for many years to come.

Interestingly, she is mixed race of Dominican and Korean extraction.

Thank you Carolina.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1503011]This is sometime scary, waking up in morning looking around trying to remember how you got back and what happen last night.[/QUOTE]Been there, done that. Just mark it off your checklist dude. It's a right of passage in the monger world!

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1502923]Surfer obviously knows some Spanish which goes a long way. It is always best to let the girl show she likes you for more than just your $. Cut throat girls have difficulty showing a liking for anything but $.[/QUOTE]I was here about five years ago and am having a total different experience this time. The reason is because I have become semi-fluent in Spanish. Being able to communicate and spell everything out for these chicas wises them up so a lot of the pranks they try to pull will be averted.

[QUOTE=Pentire; 1503082]Interestingly, she is mixed race of Dominican and Korean extraction.

Thank you Carolina.[/QUOTE]That forehead tho.

[QUOTE=Pentire; 1503082]I've been breaking new ground in recent times while getting away from the monotonous (if I dare call it that) twice yearly routine of mongering in Thailand. Firstly it was Rio and then more recently the German FKK scene which followed a couple of trips to the Caribbean including the Dominican Republic & its fab little seaside resort of Sosua.

To be honest I neither have the time or inclination to go into details, suffice to say I had a fabulous time; GFE's with three different girls each lasting around four days, plus a trip to Blackbeards where I sowed wild oats for forty eight hours. As you do in a place like that.

All three of my GFE's were fabulous with the sex being as good as it possibly can get however, the girl who's photos I attach (Carolina) was just awesome. A beautiful tall slim bod, small ass, tight pussy (no babies) together with the most wonderful personality. Made this particular vacation one to remember for many years to come.

Interestingly, she is mixed race of Dominican and Korean extraction.

Thank you Carolina.[/QUOTE]Lucky you. Koreans are noted for being good sex workers in massage parlors throughout the US.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1503011]This is sometime scary, waking up in morning looking around trying to remember how you got back and what happen last night.[/QUOTE]How you got back? Imagine waking up trying to remember where the hell you are. I have done that several times going to chick's houses.

The Girls Highlights / Lowlights:

The Cousins:

I met this hottie on FB a couple of months ago and she wanted me to call her when I arrived in Sosua. I called her one afternoon and told her to meet me at the beach. She showed up two hours late and she was with her cousin. She was a real hoot, but her cousin was quite reserved. I got some beer in them, and then Herman started buying all of us tequila shots; lost track after the third round. That really loosened the cousin up and she was now having a blast!

At one point, the FB girl told me that she had a fantasy of her being with a guy and her cousin. I responded,"What in the fuck are we sitting here for? Herman, check please!" We left the beach after dusk with their arms locked in my arms. We stopped at the mercado and I asked them if they needed some lotion or any female hygiene products and they got happy as fuck! They put items in the basket, but they did it in moderation. We then headed to the hotel, played in the pool, and then played in the room; this was my best Happy Hour of the trip!

I had a couple of other Happy Hours, but I did not really know or completely trust the girls, so all my valuables, including my camera were locked in the safe. Two girls were from Rumba and the other two were from D'Latin.

My Surprise Girl:

After I was done with the cousins, I was headed out to play when I met two girls at the Casa Cayena bar. One I really liked, the other, was okay to say the least. I asked them if they wanted to go have a beer at Rumba and they happily agreed. We had a couple of drinks, I then I asked them if they were hungry, and they were. So we ate out of the food trays outside Rumba. I got the girl's (now known as CC Girl) I liked cell number and asked if she wanted to meet me at the beach the following day; the CC Girl agreed.

The following day, I get a call from her while I'm at the beach and within 30 minutes she shows up. She is a college student from SD, no kids, turned out to be quite a hoot. She dressed in jeans and regular shirt, not in puta clothing; I liked her. We spend a few hours at the beach, a couple of hours in the pool and room, and then more time at a restaurant. Neither of us mentioned money; I just put money in her wallet at the end of the night. The following day, we did the same thing; I will repeat when I return.

At this point, all the days and girls were becoming a complete blur. But, I do remember the last girl the night before I left. And I should have taken a face shot, but I didn't; dammit! I was sitting and eating in D'Latin, while at the same time doing shots with Miguel. My amigas were coming by sharing a beer a and saying their goodbyes. This one girl came up and started chatting. She looked good, but maybe that was because I had too many shots at that point. I told her I was incapable of having any more sex, but I could use a massage. I told her I would give her anywhere between 500 to 1000 pesos, depending on the quality of the massage; she agreed.

We started heading back to the hotel; I liked her. I knew she was a keeper when she squatted on the road to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]! Yep, my next wife indeed! After we arrived at the hotel and I tipped my security guard buddy, we retired to the room. This is when things went to shit. She insisted that I give her 3000 pesos, and this is before I took off my shirt. I then insisted that she gets the fuck out of my room! She declined. Okay, you stupid fuck, let's play. I opened the door and yelled for my security buddy. He ran over with his shotgun and asked me that was going on. I told him,"Please take this trash out of my room and put it on the street where it belongs!" Problem solved!

Final thoughts:

Every now and then, I would drop my guard and have a minor incident like with the perro squatting chica I discussed above. But, that is not the norm in Sosua. Most of the girls are just trying to make some money for their family and most of the girls that I encountered over the years, were very sweet. I would not let one sour chica ruin my entire trip. Instead, I focus on the good times I had while on the island.

This was my 12th trip in 4 years and I watched this place with its ups and downs. Some places are closed while enough places are still open to provide a good assortment of chicas. This place still is one of the best values in the world, and also, if you make connections, it is a great place to come back to on a regular basis. I love the women and they seem to love my pesos, so it all kind of works out!

You really know how to have a good time. The chica can see you are about having fun. You must have deep pockets because happy hours are not cheap. My first dominican Novia loved pussy as much as me. The look in her eyes when we did 3 somes was priceless. I am now spoiled because the 3 somes with her were porn quality. Most 3 somes are 2 girls on 1 dick as oppose to free for all. You are a 1% right about Sosua. So many pretty young girls willing to fuck your brains out is priceless. Like you say most girls are very sweet if you take the time to know them.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1503314]The Girls Highlights / Lowlights:

The Cousins:

I met this hottie on FB a couple of months ago and she wanted me to call her when I arrived in Sosua. I called her one afternoon and told her to meet me at the beach. She showed up two hours late and she was with her cousin. She was a real hoot, but her cousin was quite reserved. I got some beer in them, and then Herman started buying all of us tequila shots; lost track after the third round. That really loosened the cousin up and she was now having a blast!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1503314]The Girls Highlights / Lowlights:

Final thoughts:

Every now and then, I would drop my guard and have a minor incident like with the perro squatting chica I discussed above. But, that is not the norm in Sosua. Most of the girls are just trying to make some money for their family and most of the girls that I encountered over the years, were very sweet. I would not let one sour chica ruin my entire trip. Instead, I focus on the good times I had while on the island.

This was my 12th trip in 4 years and I watched this place with its ups and downs. Some places are closed while enough places are still open to provide a good assortment of chicas. This place still is one of the best values in the world, and also, if you make connections, it is a great place to come back to on a regular basis. I love the women and they seem to love my pesos, so it all kind of works out![/QUOTE]Left the most important part in the quote!

Damn, bro. The size of that gotdamn camel toe in picture number 8! I'll need to look for her next week!

Does anyone know if Topical Azul is chica friendly?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1503314]I then insisted that she gets the fuck out of my room! She declined. Okay, you stupid fuck, let's play. I opened the door and yelled for my security buddy. He ran over with his shotgun and asked me that was going on. I told him,"Please take this trash out of my room and put it on the street where it belongs!" Problem solved![/QUOTE]Bravo! That's how you handle it. If she's not going to play your game you don't play at all! Don't put hands on her and don't go back and forth arguing just call security and let them handle it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1503243]How you got back? Imagine waking up trying to remember where the hell you are. I have done that several times going to chick's houses.[/QUOTE]It happened to me once in Canada , and in the morning I told her to call a cab to take me home, went down to take the cab to find that I live 2 blocks from her house. but although it happened in my home town and its much safer here but I still didn't like that feeling.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1503314]This is when things went to shit. She insisted that I give her 3000 pesos, and this is before I took off my shirt.[/QUOTE]Did she know you were leaving in couple days? I always tell the girls I still have a month in Sosua even if I'm leaving tomorrow.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt; 1503395]Left the most important part in the quote!

Damn, bro. The size of that gotdamn camel toe in picture number 8! I'll need to look for her next week![/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing. Whats her MO Tom.

[QUOTE=LP022;1503401]Does anyone know if Topical Azul is chica friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes part of that hotel is chica friendly but, they will try and charge you if they can. I know for sure they will charge you if you try and take your broad to eat because that hotel is considered all inclusive.

Starting to lose track of time here as the days go by. While having dinner on Sunday night decided to extend my stay another week. On Monday I had one of the gals I met on Dominican Cupid come by in the morning. When she arrived she didn't look anything like her picture and I couldn't envision having anything to do with her so to avoid a scene in the Hotel lobby I just handed her 500 pesos and thanked her for coming and she left with out a whisper. The first girl from the dating site I have seen twice now had several full body shots and the photo's actually represented what she looks like. Took a walk into town Monday morning and while exchanging pesos I talked with Pedro who has been taking my $ 100 bills about lining me up with some girls he knows. I placed my order (thin, no beer bellies or large asses) and not real young. I then stood on the sidewalk with him and as the girls walked by pointed out what would be okay and what wouldn't. I also told him I would only pay 1,000 pesos for short time (un rato) so will see how this develops over the next few days. While walking back to Hotel Casa Cayene the massage ladies on both sides of the street are always hassling me for a message. Since being here since Friday I would of hoped they would of gotten the message that I wasn't interested but they are like flies on shit. When I got back to the Hotel I put on my bathing suit, greased up with sunscreen, and headed down to the beach. On Sunday I found a guy who rents kayaks and negotiated 400 pesos for an hour and a half. When I arrived the guy did not have the keys to the locks and took asmall sledge hammer to break the lock. Took the kayak out and headed to the right up (not sure which direction) to the fancy hotel with the private beach and then headed all the way back in the other direction to the end of the beach. After about an hour I noticed a small break in the middle of the beach and actually rode a couple of the faces of the waves.

But didn't ride them all the way to shore. After the hour and a half was over I returned the kayak and told the owner to get a sign out to let people know that he had kayaks. The kayaks were chained to a tree on the beach side out of view from the main walking path. After that I decided to walk around town and ran into a young gal walking around and thought okay my upper body got a work out, how about my lower extremities. So I asked how much and she said 2,000. I said no, then she said 1,500 and I said no, and then "How much you pay" and I said I will pay 1,000 pesos plus a potential tip. She says okay and off we go. Although she had a nice body and no kids she was a little to mechanical for me. I couldn't get off with her. She did try hard so to be fair I gave her a 200 peso tip. After having dinner I decided to call up another girl I met on the dating site and have her come over. We had previously negotiated 3,000 pesos for for 12 hours so I told her to come by at 9PM. While killing time between dinner and 9 PM I notice the usual "groupies / fuglies" that hang around the Hotel. Two that showed up that I had never seen before told me it was there first day here. They were fat and ugly and I asked them if they had been to Hotel New Garden but they didn't know the Hotel. I told them that there were a lot more guys there and wished them luck. I also told one of them that I wanted a 5 % commission and she just chucked. While waiting for my date I realized how tired I was from paddling for an hour and a half and thought perhaps I shouldn't have arranged an all nighter. At 9 PM my datel shows upand I didn't even recognize her as she showed up in a car with a driver and two kids in the back. She gets out and she is dressed up in a skirt and blouse and I thought it was a family checking into the Hotel. Well after realizing it was her, I paid the Taxi driver who actually had is wife and two kids in the back of the car with him. We go up to the room and I escort her to the balcony, she wants a water, and we start talking. There was a problem in that I was having a difficult time understanding her Spanish and had to keep telling to slow down and dumb it down. I was thinking maybe I should cut my losses here being so tired and give her some money to leave. Well, after about an hour and a half of talking we stared making some headway. She said she liked red wine and I told her I had some and gave it to her. Turns out she has been divorced for a year and finally after an hour and a half we make it back into the room. I'm glad I didn't abort mission on this one. Although she was no beauty queen but not ugly and a little larger than I prefer I don't think she had been with anyone in quite sometime. We got along well in the room and she was wet as hell. Apparently this 29 year old was clueless about what goes on at the Hotel and was not familiar with Sosua. She left around 9 AM today and I'm going to meet my first dating site girl in Puerto Plata today as she is going to give me a tour of the town. I have also sent an E-mail to another dating site girl telling her I want to meet her tonight. Going to go to Cabarette tomorrow to go kayaking if it is not raining.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1503432]Did she know you were leaving in couple days? I always tell the girls I still have a month in Sosua even if I'm leaving tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Damn those are my lines or lies

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1503432]Did she know you were leaving in couple days? I always tell the girls I still have a month in Sosua even if I'm leaving tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I do that ish too! Keeps them working hard. Hoping for a few more paydays.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1503432]Did she know you were leaving in couple days? I always tell the girls I still have a month in Sosua even if I'm leaving tomorrow.[/QUOTE]To be honest, I never lie or lead a chica on to something that might not happen. Bad karma as far is I'm concerned.

If I'm leaving the next day, I tell them. If I tell them that I will meet them later, I do.

Yep, there is an occasional idiot that will try something stupid, but I have not found that to be the norm.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1503866]To be honest, I never lie or lead a chica on to something that might not happen. Bad karma as far is I'm concerned.

If I'm leaving the next day, I tell them. If I tell them that I will meet them later, I do.[/QUOTE]For me, If I met a girl and promised to give her 1000 pesos to spend couple hours with me, I give her 1000 pesos and a good tip if she was good. This is as much honest I can be with her. Any other personal question I might lie depend on the question, the girl, and the situation

But I respect your point, awesome report thu, thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1503866]To be honest, I never lie or lead a chica on to something that might not happen. Bad karma as far is I'm concerned.

If I'm leaving the next day, I tell them. If I tell them that I will meet them later, I do.

Yep, there is an occasional idiot that will try something stupid, but I have not found that to be the norm.[/QUOTE]I respect your honestly and I hope the chica does as well. I am honest with a chica when it comes to an agreed price. I never short change or disrespect her. However, if a chica is trying to get in my business about how long are you here or what Hotel you are staying in etc. Mongering 099 says she made be trying to evaluate me to plan her price. This is game to me. Since game recognize game. I use the situation to my advantage. I try to avoid the norm some honest mongers fall victim to. I enjoyed read your report as well! Its so hard to double up without problems in my camp. You have down to a Science.

If you feel you need to lie to chicas, then you are associating with the wrong chicas.

Now, not saying anything at all, that's different, and often the best policy.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1504085]If you feel you need to lie to chicas, then you are associating with the wrong chicas.

Now, not saying anything at all, that's different, and often the best policy.[/QUOTE]Come on Charles most of the chicas say what they think we want to hear to make the deal. Not all of us have the luxury of living there and knowing the good and bad. If pleading the 5th works for you kool. My Mother use to whip my ass for know my sister was smoking and not tell her. I have learned a lot from your insights. On my own; I have learned that not saying anything (when someone is talking to you) in the DR is like saying "I don't want to be bothered". Hunters or bunnies- if they play their game straight so do I. If I sense game. I play it or avoid it. If she was not setting me up for a long term slaughter; and I paid as agree (sometimes an extra gift) I feel no guilt. May the Force forgive me!

It's been a couple months since I was in Sosua, damn I miss it! Looking to return as soon as this weekend, but more than likely the following week. Couple questions, I stayed at Casa Cayena and New Garden last two trips. Anything better out there? New Garden is fine, the rooms are decent although the last time I had a major ant problem in my room with ants crawling around everywhere. Casa Cayena had an older room, no flat screen TV (not like that matters a whole lot) but the service from Wilfriend's staff and the free breakfast was very good. I'd like to stay someplace close to the action.

Ah the last two months without Sosua in my life were difficult. With it being only an hour and 45 mins flight away, I am surprised I'm not there every other weekend.

Finally back from Sosua. No time to answer the PMs right now, but I will say that Sosua is still a pretty good time. Lots of chicas, but the quality has definitely fallen off. Saturday was the best night as far as quality. Even with the ratio in our favor, it seems like guys continue to pay more, based on what I observed. That being said, if you already have Sosua figured out you won't have any problems getting some reasonable bargains.

Several guys told me their chicas gave covered blow jobs. I didn't have any issues but not sure if this is increasing there?

Also, found out that some big shots have plans to start bringing more professional athletes to Sosua since its so much cheaper than the USA and closer than Brazil. These guys are used to paying $1,000 a pop so paying $100 in Sosua won't be anything for them. This won't affect guys that have things figured out, but may contribute to eventual overall price creep.

The biggest takeaway for me is to enjoy as much of Sosua as you can now. A few times it was a challenge to get something I liked for $1,000. I even broke down one night and went up to $1,300. Daytime game is the best, but the quality in Rumba left a lot to be desired at times. 80% of the chicas were ones I had seen in Sosua before and they only get bigger beer bellies and a more hardened look and approach to dealing with gringos over time.

Getting out of Sosua proper is the best thing you can do. For instance, I hung in Cabarete one night and saw some nice talent, but was already with a chica at the time.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1504148]It's been a couple months since I was in Sosua, damn I miss it! Looking to return as soon as this weekend, but more than likely the following week. Couple questions, I stayed at Casa Cayena and New Garden last two trips. Anything better out there? New Garden is fine, the rooms are decent although the last time I had a major ant problem in my room with ants crawling around everywhere. Casa Cayena had an older room, no flat screen TV (not like that matters a whole lot) but the service from Wilfriend's staff and the free breakfast was very good. I'd like to stay someplace close to the action.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you should stay at Terra Linda. I am pretty sure that it will not disappoint. The rooms have small flat screens and the more expensive rooms have large flat screens. The rooms are modern and well kept. I do not recall any type of insect problems when I was there. The Wifi was buggy. I do not know if they fixed this problem. You might end up paying about five to ten dollars more per day but, overall, though, you will like the place. Contact them for details

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1504176]Finally back from Sosua. No time to answer the PMs right now, but I will say that Sosua is still a pretty good time. Lots of chicas, but the quality has definitely fallen off. Saturday was the best night as far as quality. Even with the ratio in our favor, it seems like guys continue to pay more, based on what I observed. That being said, if you already have Sosua figured out you won't have any problems getting some reasonable bargains.

Several guys told me their chicas gave covered blow jobs. I didn't have any issues but not sure if this is increasing there?

Also, found out that some big shots have plans to start bringing more professional athletes to Sosua since its so much cheaper than the USA and closer than Brazil. These guys are used to paying $1, 000 a pop so paying $100 in Sosua won't be anything for them. This won't affect guys that have things figured out, but may contribute to eventual overall price creep.

The biggest takeaway for me is to enjoy as much of Sosua as you can now. A few times it was a challenge to get something I liked for $1, 000. I even broke down one night and went up to $1, 300. Daytime game is the best, but the quality in Rumba left a lot to be desired at times. 80% of the chicas were ones I had seen in Sosua before and they only get bigger beer bellies and a more hardened look and approach to dealing with gringos over time.

Getting out of Sosua proper is the best thing you can do. For instance, I hung in Cabarete one night and saw some nice talent, but was already with a chica at the time.[/QUOTE]I will be in Sosua in 2 Weeks, This will be my last trip, After that its Brazil and Columbia only. Sosua is getting expensive and the talent has fallen hard.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1504176]Also, found out that some big shots have plans to start bringing more professional athletes to Sosua since its so much cheaper than the USA and closer than Brazil. These guys are used to paying $1,000 a pop so paying $100 in Sosua won't be anything for them.[/QUOTE]A $100 a pop is nothing for them but they want to save money on the flight. it could be that Brazil will organize the world cup in 2014 and its busy.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1504195]It could be that Brazil will organize the world cup in 2014.[/QUOTE]Using the word "organize" very loosely, of course.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1504195]A $100 a pop is nothing for them but they want to save money on the flight. it could be that Brazil will organize the world cup in 2014 and its busy.[/QUOTE]Between the World Cup and the Olympics Brazil will be quite expensive for the next couple of years. Prices will probably not go down until all this is over.

Visas to the country are not cheap, either. DR is still the cheapest bang for the buck. The only thing that compares is the Philippines and Thailand but the cost of the plane ticket, from the States, makes it quite expensive.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1503866]To be honest, I never lie or lead a chica on to something that might not happen. Bad karma as far is I'm concerned.

If I'm leaving the next day, I tell them. If I tell them that I will meet them later, I do.

Yep, there is an occasional idiot that will try something stupid, but I have not found that to be the norm.[/QUOTE]I hear ya. But I don't lie about meeting up later or lead anyone on. That IS bad kama. I lie about when I'm leaving, because that's need to know information. My whAt does my departure date have to do with us getting it in? The less you know, the less likely I will get jacked on the way to the airport like Dude from the Habib show. Anyone not familiar with that story, google "Ramon sosua *****" or go waaaaaay back in the forum. Mafiosa chicas calling their politur friends, to hold you up on departure day so you'll empty your wallet just to make your flight. I was sitting at ricks when a dude was telling me it happened on his prior trip. You take it all with a grain of salt, but it pays to stay on top of the game.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1504176]Several guys told me their chicas gave covered blow jobs. I didn't have any issues but not sure if this is increasing there?

Also, found out that some big shots have plans to start bringing more professional athletes to Sosua since its so much cheaper than the USA and closer than Brazil. These guys are used to paying $1, 000 a pop so paying $100 in Sosua won't be anything for them. This won't affect guys that have things figured out, but may contribute to eventual overall price creep.[/QUOTE]CBJ? I coulda stayed home for that shiyt.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1504176]Lots of chicas, but the quality has definitely fallen off. Saturday was the best night as far as quality.[/QUOTE]Hopefully the quality will improve with the university break, I should be in Sosua by Dec 20th.

Time to rethink Brazil. The exchange rate on real is back to 2008 crisis time.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1504211]I hear ya. But I don't lie about meeting up later or lead anyone on. That IS bad kama. I lie about when I'm leaving, because that's need to know information. My whAt does my departure date have to do with us getting it in? The less you know, the less likely I will get jacked on the way to the airport like Dude from the Habib show. Anyone not familiar with that story, google "Ramon sosua *****" or go waaaaaay back in the forum. Mafiosa chicas calling their politur friends, to hold you up on departure day so you'll empty your wallet just to make your flight. I was sitting at ricks when a dude was telling me it happened on his prior trip. You take it all with a grain of salt, but it pays to stay on top of the game.[/QUOTE]

On my first trip to Sosua I explained to a chica how much I was willing to pay her and then took her to my hotel room, ending with the fact that I would leave the following morning. Well, she caused a big scene when she was in my room. The next day the hotel owner, realizing that this was my maiden voyage, talked to me in general about problems with the chicas. From that moment on I do not tell chicas about my departure date. The chica acted up because she knew that I could not do anything about it since I was boarding the plane in a couple of hours.

I am truthful about everything else and when they lie to me all bets are off (I've had chicas who were willing to meet me in two hours yet I see them going with someone else, to do the deed, two hours later. After that, many hours later, they will approach me. If I am in the mood I will do something. If not I just tell her forget about it. If she brings it up to my attention that I promised I simply add that I waited for her but she did not show up. If she persists I just end it by stating that I saw her with another guy. She would usually deny it but I just leave her alone. She knows I am telling her the truth. (Hey, you tell a chica to meet you and she doesn't. What is a guy to do!). I try not to lie and do not make promises that I cannot keep (sometimes it is hard [no pun intended] to think rationally when a chica is slobbing your knobs and wants to meet up later! You say "yes" but later you have no more "leche" to give because she drank it all! Moral of the story: do not promise anything to a chica while your dick is in her mouth. You are thinking with the wrong head and It does sometimes work to your disadvantage). I am also careful when I brush them off ("No baby, maybe later" Later comes: "well, papi, now is later. You promised!" In this scenario a simple "no" will do.).

The last thing you want is for a chica to steal your stuff the night before and when you are packing the next day you realize this but cannot do anything about it since you are rushing out the door to get to the airport to catch a plane. Or better yet, you had a fallout and she makes false allegations and before you know it the Politur are meeting you at the airport and before you know it you have to convince them using, what I call, the presidential method (Lincolns, Washingtons, and Jacksons) before you can board the plane. Even if what they say lacks merit the point is delaying you.

Sometimes, when the chicas know you are leaving they will even try to stay with you the night before and/or tag along for more money. I've seen it and it sometimes works for the chica. The chica begs for more money or the guy has some extra pesos that he wants to discard. There are occasions where the chicas even cause delays (it has happened to me!). I always say two weeks and leave it at that.

Some of the guys are even evasive in telling other mongers. I guess something must have happened with another mongers. I know some guys who make their departure so complicated that I just get a headache just hearing their story ("well, you see, I told my novia I am leaving tomorrow but I am really just going to another hotel, and she cannot see me on the strip. And I called her friend up. But my novia does not know...etc...etc...etc..." (but she will eventually find out, as is always the case).

In all my years of traveling to the DR only once did a chica ever address this issue to me. I had China over and she noticed my bags were packed. She asked if I was leaving but I denied it (moral of the story, when you pack, or are packing, your stuff don't leave your bags out. Keep it in the closet or under your bed, so when a chica comes over she does not notice). The next time I visited Sosua I found China again and we spent some time together. She mentioned that she did not believe me when I denied that I was leaving, so she showed up the next day, at 9:00 AM, but by that time I had already left. She was good about it and even had a smile on her face. Actually it was kinda funny, especially the part where I outwitted her. The chicas most of the time expect guys to lie about their departure. It is just part of the game. Unless I get 'wifed' up, and this doesn't happen often, I keep my return to the States vague to any local.

[QUOTE=Boriman; 1504315]On my first trip to Sosua I explained to a chica how much I was willing to pay her and then took her to my hotel room, ending with the fact that I would leave the next day. Well, she caused a big scene when she was in my room. The next day the hotel owner, realizing that this was my maiden voyage, talked to me in general about problems with the chicas. From that moment on I do not tell chicas about my departure date. The chica acted up because she knew that I could not do anything about it since I was boarding the plane in a couple of hours.

The chica begs for more money or the guy has some extra pesos that he wants to discard. There are occasions where the chicas even cause delays (it has happened to me!). I always say two weeks and leave it at that.

In all my years of traveling to the DR only once did a chica ever address this issue to me. I had China over and she noticed my bags were packed. She asked if I was leaving but I denied it (moral of the story, when you pack, or are packing, your stuff don't leave your bags out. Keep it in the closet or under your bed, so when a chica comes over she does not notice). The next time I visited Sosua I found China again and we spent some time together. She mentioned that she did not believe me when I denied that I was leaving, so she showed up the next day, at 9:00 AM, but by that time I had already left. She was good about it and even had a smile on her face. Actually it was kinda funny, especially the part where I outwitted her. The chicas are used to this type of behavior from the guys.[/QUOTE]Good personal examples.

Fuck that shit. I am a grown ass man. There is no way I'm letting a regular chick make me biotch up. I'm damn sure not about to let a hooker do it. Do what the hell you want. You shouldn't have to lie to and duck and dodge a hooker.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1504176]The biggest takeaway for me is to enjoy as much of Sosua as you can now. A few times it was a challenge to get something I liked for $1, 000. I even broke down one night and went up to $1, 300. Daytime game is the best, but the quality in Rumba left a lot to be desired at times. 80% of the chicas were ones I had seen in Sosua before and they only get bigger beer bellies and a more hardened look and approach to dealing with gringos over time.

Getting out of Sosua proper is the best thing you can do. For instance, I hung in Cabarete one night and saw some nice talent, but was already with a chica at the time.[/QUOTE]What do you expect when you sleep all day, drink beer all night and the only exercise you get is being pounded from the back? Last time at Halloween I saw a lot of familiar chicas who were noticeably bigger than just a few months before. Sosua is still great but a lot of these girl are getting lazy and rude.

[quote=mr enternational;1504399]fuck that shit. i am a grown ass man. there is no way i'm letting a regular chick make me biotch up. i'm damn sure not about to let a hooker do it. do what the hell you want. you shouldn't have to lie to and duck and dodge a hooker.[/quote]lmao, you crazy boy. but i have to agree with the guy who said "theres no need to know". i look at a girl crazy when they ask and i say six months even if i'm leaving the next day.

here are the problems associated with this:

1) her crying and acting sad as your departure date arrives.

2) her having to speed up her begging game as you exit date arrives.

3) her possibly setting you up for some robbery on your last day when you don't have time.

4) her getting possessive and violent because you aren't with her and she knows you are about to leave.

5) her running her mouth so every dominican in sosua knows your departure date.

its not her business, and she doesn't have a "need to know".

Been in Sosua since last Friday and have been checking out the chicas from Hati but haven't pulled the trigger yet on any of them. My Dominican Cupido amiga said she doesn't like them because they are "black" which shocked the shit out of me since she is 1/2 black. Some of these Haitians are gorgeous and some are very aggressive. They also appear to be very smart and all of the ones I have talked to speak English, some Spanish, and whatever they speak in Hati (Creole / French). I'm tempted to try them out but am honestly having difficulty with how dark they are. I'm not racist but morena / carmel is about all I can handle. My buddies at home tell me to just turn off all the lights. Some feedback here about these Haitian chicas without beating me up to much would be appreciated. Seems like there are guys here from Europe that are totally enomorado (love) with these girls and I am very curious.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1504419]Been in Sosua since last Friday and have been checking out the chicas from Hati but haven't pulled the trigger yet on any of them. My Dominican Cupido amiga said she doesn't like them because they are "black" which shocked the shit out of me since she is 1/2 black. Some of these Haitians are gorgeous and some are very aggressive. They also appear to be very smart and all of the ones I have talked to speak english, some spanish, and whatever they speak in Hati (Creole / French). I'm tempted to try them out but am honestly having difficulty with how dark they are. I'm not racist but morena / carmel is about all I can handle. My buddies at home tell me to just turn off all the lights. Some feedback here about these Haitian chicas without beating me up to much would be appreciated. Seems like there are guys here from Europe that are totally enomorado (love) with these girls and I am very curious.[/QUOTE]If skin color turns you off bro don't worry about it. I could tell you that these girls would fk the living day lights out of you but it wouldn't matter because dark skin turns you off. Everybody has their preference and I'm not going to knock yours. I have a friend who doesn't even look a black woman's way and he is black. (Well one of those light skin brothers). I guess he expected me to try to talk him out of it but why should I? Who cares. But some things you say are kinda of suspect. One of them is when you said "They appear to be smart," didn't really know what you meant by that but somebody who is really sensitive to these issues would think that you think most darkies arent too smart LOL. Over all go with what you like man, who gives a damn. You don't like dark skin? Don't worry about it, choose who you like.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1504419]Been in Sosua since last Friday and have been checking out the chicas from Hati but haven't pulled the trigger yet on any of them. My Dominican Cupido amiga said she doesn't like them because they are "black" which shocked the shit out of me since she is 1/2 black. Some of these Haitians are gorgeous and some are very aggressive. They also appear to be very smart and all of the ones I have talked to speak english, some spanish, and whatever they speak in Hati (Creole / French). I'm tempted to try them out but am honestly having difficulty with how dark they are. I'm not racist but morena / carmel is about all I can handle. My buddies at home tell me to just turn off all the lights. Some feedback here about these Haitian chicas without beating me up to much would be appreciated. Seems like there are guys here from Europe that are totally enomorado (love) with these girls and I am very curious.[/QUOTE]

Ask the next Haitiana you find attractive if she has "coco mordan"?
I am not the resident Haitiana expert, talk to Pooter.
I have dabbled a few times successfully.
Like any other chica, you have good ones and bad ones, why not see for yourself, what is the worst that happens you bust a nut with a Hatiania and live to post on ISG?
Go grab a barstool at Bar Central, you may have shoo off a few street rats, but that is Little Petionville in Sosua at night.