Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=JoBobTheClown;1788037]I'll add my voice to the others: skip Loutron. I was thrown after trying Energy and then New Life earlier in my trip: the latter was dirty, noisy, and had ugly girls, while the former was fantastic and worth every penny. So I figured if doubling New Life's price had led to an experience five times as good, doubling up again for Loutron would be even better.

Nope. "You get way you pay for" is not the case, here. The girls at Loutron were less attractive, there were fewer to pick from, and back in the room, she was all about rules. For example: she wouldn't touch my dick. Literally wouldn't touch it with her hand without a condom. She slipped putting the condom on and the outside touched my dick a little, so she got another condom. You can correctly infer how the rest of the visit went from that.

I'll put together an exhaustive report once I've had some time to decompress, but I just wanted to chime in quickly while we were on the subject.[/QUOTE]Yes the latter (New Life) is dirty, noisy and has LOTS of ugly chicks. All perfectly accurate. However often times this place has one or two very hot chicas on premises. It's hit and miss. My experience with Energy is that again you are accurate it's very clean and quiet. However the service feels very mechanical. I much prefer to search out the proverbial diamond in the rough in el centro. For the price I can handle a little of both dirty and noisy.

[QUOTE=JoBobTheClown;1788037]I'll add my voice to the others: skip Loutron. I was thrown after trying Energy and then New Life earlier in my trip: the latter was dirty, noisy, and had ugly girls, while the former was fantastic and worth every penny. So I figured if doubling New Life's price had led to an experience five times as good, doubling up again for Loutron would be even better.

Nope. "You get way you pay for" is not the case, here. The girls at Loutron were less attractive, there were fewer to pick from, and back in the room, she was all about rules. For example: she wouldn't touch my dick. Literally wouldn't touch it with her hand without a condom. She slipped putting the condom on and the outside touched my dick a little, so she got another condom. You can correctly infer how the rest of the visit went from that.

I'll put together an exhaustive report once I've had some time to decompress, but I just wanted to chime in quickly while we were on the subject.[/QUOTE]Loutron is a great place to visit after dark, have a beer, see the place and the lineup. Then when the beer is empty head back down the hill not regretting leaving big bucks up top.

I would say between $25 and $50. Hotels set their own extra guest fees. And yes, that guest charge can be as much as half the cost of a room per night. I usually only bring back one chica if I'm staying at a hotel now, and it would be for TLN. While it's a lot more comfortable, there is a risk with bringing back a chica to your hotel room if you are not aware and have never had experiences with the chica before. That's why love motels are a good idea (as mentioned in previous posts). You can always contact the hotels you mentioned and ask their policies.

One other piece of advice, I wouldn't worry too much about grocery stores being nearby. I've stayed at hotels all over El Poblado and there is always a convenience store nearby or a short cheap taxi (or Uber) ride away, including 24 hour Carulla's. You can pretty much get just about anything by calling room service and asking for something to be delivered to your room.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1788301]Yes. The plan is bring back few girls a day to the hotel. In USD what can one expect the chica fee to be?

There are budget hotels with decent reviews in El Poblado. For less than $50 a night plus taxes.

Hotel Plaza Rosa.

The Morgana Poblado Suites Hotel.

Hotel Poblado Boutique Express.

In House The Hotel.

Hotel Portales Del Campestre.

Hotel Acqua Express.

Hotel Casa Lleras.

Hotel Casa Portico.

All these hotels are in the same vicinity and I feel like better location than Mansion and walking distance to Parque Lleras and grocery stores like Exito.

I guess I can contact these hotels and ask them if they have guest fees??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1788441]I would say between $25 and $50. Hotels set their own extra guest fees. And yes, that guest charge can be as much as half the cost of a room per night. I usually only bring back one chica if I'm staying at a hotel now, and it would be for TLN. While it's a lot more comfortable, there is a risk with bringing back a chica to your hotel room if you are not aware and have never had experiences with the chica before. That's why love motels are a good idea (as mentioned in previous posts). You can always contact the hotels you mentioned and ask their policies.

One other piece of advice, I wouldn't worry too much about grocery stores being nearby. I've stayed at hotels all over El Poblado and there is always a convenience store nearby or a short cheap taxi (or Uber) ride away, including 24 hour Carulla's. You can pretty much get just about anything by calling room service and asking for something to be delivered to your room.[/QUOTE]I am in Medellin early November, staying at Hotel Intercontinental. Is there any good casa in this area, or WG around?

Hey fellow brothers in search of pleasure.

I went to energy this morning around 9:45 am and it was closed. Web site shows they are open 9 am to 9:30 pm but they do not show the days they are open so I assumed it was 7 days a week. I have seen here it is open on Sunday but maybe someone was sick or stuck in church. I return to my apartment in Lleras having spending around 30 K on taxi round trip. At least I got to see a different part of the city.

I came home and contacted several numbers from different sites and all went to voice mail. I did call a friend of see Jack's (which she answered right away) but she was busy with family today so we made arrangements for this week sometime after 7 pm. She did provide me with a phone number for "Michelle". She answered right away and said she could come immediately since my "little" friend needed her attention. She was suppose to be here around 50 minutes ago and she has called twice since. First is waiting on taxi and then to confirm the address. She said 20 minutes more so who knows. All I know is I am waiting patiently. Her quoted price is $100 K for the hour so I what the damage was and to advise if she was worth the $35 USD or not.

Enjoy the life!

$Bill.

Just a warning, to save you a trip: Energy is closed on Monday, too. A guy nearby when I rang the bell told me "Martes a Sabado". Abydos was closed as well, but it was also Columbus day, so I can't tell what was normal and what wasn't. In general, it seems Tuesday through Saturday are safe bets, and you need to make arrangements for the other days (unless you're staying at the Mansion, where pickings get slim but there are options).

I can't believe it didn't occur to me that Columbus Day might be a thing in Colombia. In my defense, though, it didn't show up in any "Colombian Holidays" list I could find.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1788685]Hey fellow brothers in search of pleasure.

I went to energy this morning around 9:45 am and it was closed. Web site shows they are open 9 am to 9:30 pm but they do not show the days they are open so I assumed it was 7 days a week. I have seen here it is open on Sunday but maybe someone was sick or stuck in church. I return to my apartment in Lleras having spending around 30 K on taxi round trip. At least I got to see a different part of the city.

I came home and contacted several numbers from different sites and all went to voice mail. I did call a friend of see Jack's (which she answered right away) but she was busy with family today so we made arrangements for this week sometime after 7 pm. She did provide me with a phone number for "Michelle". She answered right away and said she could come immediately since my "little" friend needed her attention. She was suppose to be here around 50 minutes ago and she has called twice since. First is waiting on taxi and then to confirm the address. She said 20 minutes more so who knows. All I know is I am waiting patiently. Her quoted price is $100 K for the hour so I what the damage was and to advise if she was worth the $35 USD or not.

Enjoy the life!

$Bill.[/QUOTE]

This photograph might be helpful to some of you fellows trying to find Abydos, Calle 33, No. 64-198.

For those of you who live or have lived in Medellin. Can you tell me what you think of Paris in Bello? I have an amiga who lives there. She wants me to visit her and have lunch in her home. However, I'm always hesitant to head out to a barrio without knowing anything about it.

I did some Google research, but didn't find much that is current. I'm comfortable in Belen and Laurales and Envigado and Itagui, but have never been further. Any thoughts?

I don't want to insult her, but I don't want to make myself a target either (I trust her, but you never know about everyone else in the area).

Had my best trip of this year to Medellin. Arrived late (on Jet Blue - 1 hour late) on Wednesday night. Met my favorita for a romp at Motel Ibitza. Was planning to head back to the Castillo and go to bed, but when I got there the night guy told me there was a chica sitting down by the pool.

I went down there just out of curiosity (since chicas usually don't "hang out" at the pool). There was Julietta. From out of town (beyond Rio Negro). She was smoking, drinking a beer and, as I eventually discovered, dabbling in coke. She was very nice. She spoke some English and she understood my limited Spanish. She looked pretty good so I decided to take her.

Really enjoyed her in bed. Energizer bunny. The coke just seemed to AMP her up. When we finished, I offered to let her sleep with me as long as she was out by 9 am The next morning, as I was supposed to have another chica coming to see me. Because of the coke, she couldn't sleep. She went in and out of the room. She finally woke me up and told me she was feeling really "caliente" and horny and wanted to fuck more. Why not? She really worked me and I enjoyed every minute of my time with her. Only wish I had pulled her again.

Overall I ended up banging 10 chicas between late Wednesday night and Sunday night. Had a few old favorites mixed with some new chicas. Had a few cancellations / disappointments, but was usually able to make up for it.

I stayed at the Castillo, but only went to La Cueva for 30 minutes one night. All of my chicas were girls I already knew or chicas I met on facebook. Had some really enthusiastic chicas who liked to fuck. Visited Motel Ibitza twice and really enjoyed the place. Great jacuzzi and steam room. Very clean. We ordered food one time and pretty good. Price is reasonable and very discreet. Highly recommended.

I had an apartment for three nights as a back-up (primarily for my favorita), but rarely used it. Ended up being a waste of money. One of the chicas I did I've been trying to get since my last trip. I'm not sure what her deal was, but she was a hard nut to crack. Not your typical puta or even prepago. Money wasn't it for her. Finally got her. Enjoyed her nice big titties and big ass. She has two kids, so has hips, ass, and tits, but nicely done, not stretched and wrinkled. Her face is her best quality. Really enjoyed fucking her. Just to know I did.

Also did another new girls twice. She's tough too. Very picky on who she sees, so I was happy to be given access (she canceled at the last minute the first time, but I decided to give her one more chance and I'm glad I did. I had her twice. Very enthusiastic and a perfect body for me).

Most of the chicas were fairly young - 18,19, 20. Only one was a bit older - 25, I think. They were young, but surprising good performers with good attitudes and very good bodies.

The worst one was probably the 25 year old. She's been around and just wasn't into it. She was just looking for the cash. That's why I've started to avoid most of the older Mansion girls. Many have gotten spoiled and lazy.

Planning my next trips in November and December. Will see a few of these girls again and am cultivating some new girls as well. It's getting better and better.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1788104]Will be traveling to Medellin mid November, first time there.
Trying to get hotel / motel in the $50 range plus tax. If this is not possible, then what is next best safest area. Or is trying apartment rental cheaper in Poblado.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hotel Parque Plaza is in a convenient location, in poblado is about $40 a night. Was ok with visitors and charged 20,000 cop a visitor. (about $7 usd.)It is a small hotel and rooms are basic but clean. There is a flight of stairs to climb in order to get to the lobby. Had a really cute receptionist working the night shift back in January.

Nope, no casas in that area. Fase II isn't far off but you'd still need to take a cab. Intercontinental has tight security as well, and bringing in girls is going to be a problem. You'll get away with one, but more than that I doubt. It's a pretty good hotel with some renovated rooms.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1788499]I am in Medellin early November, staying at Hotel Intercontinental. Is there any good casa in this area, or WG around?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoBobTheClown;1788780] I can't believe it didn't occur to me that Columbus Day might be a thing in Colombia. [/QUOTE]Do you know what Colombus Day represents? If not you might want to learn.

I know a masajista name Olga but, can't get in touch with her. Does anyone know of a masajista in Medellin. That gives a good massage and happy ending?

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;1786926]Hi Mikey:

Others might have more current and detailed info than I, but since the pros haven't yet replied, I'll try to help.

If you like shooting fish in a barrel, the Mansion (or whatever they call it this week) can supply more or less what you're looking for (How semi are the semi-pros there? I guess it depends on your definition. They wouldn't go to the Mansion if they were totally innocent. But they are not (usually) hanging out on Calle 51 street corners, and I've met some real sweethearts there.).

As always if you are any combination of 1) young 2) guapo, 3) rich, 4) suave and 5) speak Spanish there are many other opportunities from Parque lleras to the waitresses at any Poblado restaurant. But simply offerring $$$ to go back to your hotel won't work here. You need some game. Hope this helps. Please share where you found semi-pros in CTG?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help Errol Flynn. Actually I finally got a hold of a few buddies who corraborated the Parque Lleras recommendation. I am 3.5 of 5 on your combo list with some decent Spanish game. In CTG I did extremely well in Dolce Vidas last month (left a report in the CTG forum). Friday and Saturday nights are the best for the "Non Pros"/ Semi pro. My definition is one who dabbles on occasion to pay the bills. I have become pretty good at sniffing this out over the years with my Brazil trips. Anyways what happens I that many of the girls in surrounding cities (Barranquilla especially-Goregous women in that city with zero to do) they bus in and split hotel rooms with their girlfriends. I was suprised at the talent level in that place (on weekends-but weekdays you can find some too but much more hit and miss). I pulled some solid 8's semi pros out of there (and I'm pretty critical). I loved it so much I'm going back there Nov 29 -spending a weekend ther and then flying to Medellin. I will absolutely do Parque lleras. From the pics I've seen of Mansion girls they look a bit "harder" than my personal taste. But the Parque sounds like my style.

Thanks!

Prepagos don't really get a lot of mention on here. Are these sites. Legit?

[URL]http://www.conejitas-vip.com/html/medellin.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.angelespaisas.com/acompanantes-medellin.php[/URL]

The related holiday is El dia de la Raza. At least Wikipedia says so.

(Pardon the all-caps Dia which is a web-site auto-correction.).

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day[/URL]#Colombia.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day[/URL]#the. C3. ADa_de_la_Raza.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1788870]Do you know what Colombus Day represents? If not you might want to learn.[/QUOTE]

Excellent trip report. Sounds similar to my trips. Same thoughts here with Hotel Ibitza. It seemes like a waste of money. But sometimes there are a few non pros you'd like to see away from the mansion. I can understand that.

[QUOTE=olombiaLover;1788848]Had my best trip of this year to Medellin. Arrived late (on Jet Blue - 1 hour late) on Wednesday night. Met my favorita for a romp at Motel Ibitza. Was planning to head back to the Castillo and go to bed, but when I got there the night guy told me there was a chica sitting down by the pool.

I went down there just out of curiosity (since chicas usually don't "hang out" at the pool). There was Julietta. From out of town (beyond Rio Negro). She was smoking, drinking a beer and, as I eventually discovered, dabbling in coke. She was very nice. She spoke some English and she understood my limited Spanish. She looked pretty good so I decided to take her.

Really enjoyed her in bed. Energizer bunny. The coke just seemed to AMP her up. When we finished, I offered to let her sleep with me as long as she was out by 9 am The next morning, as I was supposed to have another chica coming to see me. Because of the coke, she couldn't sleep. She went in and out of the room. She finally woke me up and told me she was feeling really "caliente" and horny and wanted to fuck more. Why not? She really worked me and I enjoyed every minute of my time with her. Only wish I had pulled her again.

Overall I ended up banging 10 chicas between late Wednesday night and Sunday night. Had a few old favorites mixed with some new chicas. Had a few cancellations / disappointments, but was usually able to make up for it.

I stayed at the Castillo, but only went to La Cueva for 30 minutes one night. All of my chicas were girls I already knew or chicas I met on facebook. Had some really enthusiastic chicas who liked to fuck. Visited Motel Ibitza twice and really enjoyed the place. Great jacuzzi and steam room. Very clean. We ordered food one time and pretty good. Price is reasonable and very discreet. Highly recommended.

I had an apartment for three nights as a back-up (primarily for my favorita), but rarely used it. Ended up being a waste of money. One of the chicas I did I've been trying to get since my last trip. I'm not sure what her deal was, but she was a hard nut to crack. Not your typical puta or even prepago. Money wasn't it for her. Finally got her. Enjoyed her nice big titties and big ass. She has two kids, so has hips, ass, and tits, but nicely done, not stretched and wrinkled. Her face is her best quality. Really enjoyed fucking her. Just to know I did.

Also did another new girls twice. She's tough too. Very picky on who she sees, so I was happy to be given access (she canceled at the last minute the first time, but I decided to give her one more chance and I'm glad I did. I had her twice. Very enthusiastic and a perfect body for me).

Most of the chicas were fairly young - 18,19, 20. Only one was a bit older - 25, I think. They were young, but surprising good performers with good attitudes and very good bodies.

The worst one was probably the 25 year old. She's been around and just wasn't into it. She was just looking for the cash. That's why I've started to avoid most of the older Mansion girls. Many have gotten spoiled and lazy.

Planning my next trips in November and December. Will see a few of these girls again and am cultivating some new girls as well. It's getting better and better.[/QUOTE]

I contacted Jack's friend Evita who was not available due to family obligations. She said that she had a friend I could contact. Her friend was about an hour late getting to my apartment but when I saw her, it was "vale de pena" (worth the wait).

She said she charge 100 K per hour and after a few minutes with her, I asked her for a rate for 7 hours (so we could just relax, have fun, and fuck, suck and party all day). She gave me a quote of 450 K and I was ok with that. Before any of you fellow mongers get on my case about MY MONEY and HOW I SPEND IT, F*CK OFF! My money and my time are mine, not yours. You don't like it, then ignore my posts please. Those other gentlemen that are not here to just take advantage of the girls and their economic situations and want to help when possible should be commended. Those cheap bastards that want to save a few bucks so they can get another notch on their belts need to grow up some. It is not about how many ladies you are with that make you a man, it is how you treat women.

I live in the USA and the girls on the escort sites are mostly druggies or fat, or mechanical. I pay for 1 hour what I paid for this girl for 7 hours and she and I both enjoyed ourselves tremendously.

My new friend gave me everything I could ask for as I did for her. I have another date with her tonight but will only do an hour of fun stuff and then out to dinner if she wants to go as friends.

Enjoy the life and for those who want to dump on me, please kiss my ass!

$Bill.

I been making contacts with some facebook girl and getting quotes from 150 k to 200 k plus taxi to meet up in.

An apt. Was hoping pricing would be a little less, wonder now how much all night, tln would be?

I will be staying El Poblado area, how far is that from Mayorista. I guess street girls would be lowest prices.

Any street action in Parque lleras??

Hoping to see this girl, see attachment.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1665659]"FB Chica" is a misnomer: they don't work for Facebook, LOL.

As far as a chica that you met on Facebook? Whatever the two of you decide on. I would work it out before inviting her over so that there is no misunderstanding though, because if she arrives and you were thinking 70k and she was thinking 250k, you've just wasted each other's time (and it already takes them forever to get to your place due to traffic).

Don't worry about guys telling you "don't pay more than this or that. " The only guys that have to worry about other guys over paying and spoiling the market are the guys that stay at puterias like the Mansion. Medellin is a HUGE city. Any one chica holding out for 300 k will lose business to all of the other chicas willing to take much less. The only place that 300k demanding chica can stay in business (as an independent) are places like San Jose (CR) or Panama.

The flip side to that is if you come there acting like a Cheap Charlie, chicas are not going to go out of their way to come and meet you. You'd be better off going to El Centro or La Mayorista for 35k fucks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1785373]That is really amazing, so selfless. I'm glad to hear great stories like this. Sex and love is a social need, I'm sure somethign like this for that guy int eh wheelchair saved his life!

WOW was daisy the one that did the deed or just one of the new ones in your stable?

As far as people hating on your business who gives a fuck. No one is being held against their will and you are more a concierge service if anything else.[/QUOTE]I think your point is well taken about the need for sex and love and how most cultures just want the older men to push their desire under the carpet, and be lonely and die! What gives me satisfaction as a love broker is to see guys coming down to reconnect with their dead sexual desire, because they have no outlet in their homeland. The girl who took care of the wheelchair guy was one the many good girls in the casa Zandalay! I could care less about the haters! I have a lot of guys who like being here with myself and Eric and we enjoy lending a hand to guys who want it! Do it yourselfers is not for everyone and for me personally, I enjoy traveling alone but like to be in a place where I can be social and hang out with like minded guys during the time in between the women! We offer unique services that no one else offers and we are proud and happy to be here living our dream!

Mellisa below really wants to meet you and is happy to please!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789121]
She said she charge 100 K per hour and after a few minutes with her, I asked her for a rate for 7 hours (so we could just relax, have fun, and fuck, suck and party all day). She gave me a quote of 450 K and I was ok with that. Before any of you fellow mongers get on my case about MY MONEY and HOW I SPEND IT, F*CK OFF! My money and my time are mine, not yours. You don't like it, then ignore my posts please. Those other gentlemen that are not here to just take advantage of the girls and their economic situations and want to help when possible should be commended. Those cheap bastards that want to save a few bucks so they can get another notch on their belts need to grow up some. It is not about how many ladies you are with that make you a man, it is how you treat women.

I live in the USA and the girls on the escort sites are mostly druggies or fat, or mechanical. I pay for 1 hour what I paid for this girl for 7 hours and she and I both enjoyed ourselves tremendously.


Enjoy the life and for those who want to dump on me, please kiss my ass!

$Bill.[/QUOTE]I haven't been posting much lately but do on occasion read to see what's going on. Your expressions on how I feel is very similar with treating the girls right and not to take advantage of their situation. Glad to hear your not one of these cheap asses.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789121]I contacted Jack's friend Evita who was not available due to family obligations. She said that she had a friend I could contact. Her friend was about an hour late getting to my apartment but when I saw her, it was "vale de pena" (worth the wait).

She said she charge 100 K per hour and after a few minutes with her, I asked her for a rate for 7 hours (so we could just relax, have fun, and fuck, suck and party all day). She gave me a quote of 450 K and I was ok with that. Before any of you fellow mongers get on my case about MY MONEY and HOW I SPEND IT, F*CK OFF! My money and my time are mine, not yours. You don't like it, then ignore my posts please. Those other gentlemen that are not here to just take advantage of the girls and their economic situations and want to help when possible should be commended. Those cheap bastards that want to save a few bucks so they can get another notch on their belts need to grow up some. It is not about how many ladies you are with that make you a man, it is how you treat women.

I live in the USA and the girls on the escort sites are mostly druggies or fat, or mechanical. I pay for 1 hour what I paid for this girl for 7 hours and she and I both enjoyed ourselves tremendously.

My new friend gave me everything I could ask for as I did for her. I have another date with her tonight but will only do an hour of fun stuff and then out to dinner if she wants to go as friends.

Enjoy the life and for those who want to dump on me, please kiss my ass!

$Bill.[/QUOTE]You're always going to have guys who will gladly drop $500 to $2,000 for an airline ticket to a foreign location, but then won't pay more than $10 for services from chicas. You pay what you are comfortable paying and don't worry about what the cheap-asses are paying / saying.

Hello Sir,

It's your money and you have the right to spend as you see fit and I respect that. The problem I have with that situation is that you didn't even bother to negotiate, you took her first highball offer. You were desperate sorry to say. Negotiating is the game both sides play in the P4P arena otherwise MDE would become Costa Rica where the girls are used to the guys overpaying and they dictate the rules (condom blow jobs, money up front, no TLN, one pop).

I'm glad you had a wonderful experience but next time offer between 200 k-300 k for the 7 hours and then when she refuses or doesn't counter offer escort her out or pay her asking price but at least you played the game. I appreciate the honesty in your reporting but your defensive nature tells me that deep down inside you knew you were wrong.

I know you probably won't take my advice but maybe someone else will. Good luck in your future travels.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789121]I contacted Jack's friend Evita who was not available due to family obligations. She said that she had a friend I could contact. Her friend was about an hour late getting to my apartment but when I saw her, it was "vale de pena" (worth the wait).

She said she charge 100 K per hour and after a few minutes with her, I asked her for a rate for 7 hours (so we could just relax, have fun, and fuck, suck and party all day). She gave me a quote of 450 K and I was ok with that. Before any of you fellow mongers get on my case about MY MONEY and HOW I SPEND IT, F*CK OFF! My money and my time are mine, not yours. You don't like it, then ignore my posts please. Those other gentlemen that are not here to just take advantage of the girls and their economic situations and want to help when possible should be commended. Those cheap bastards that want to save a few bucks so they can get another notch on their belts need to grow up some. It is not about how many ladies you are with that make you a man, it is how you treat women.

I live in the USA and the girls on the escort sites are mostly druggies or fat, or mechanical. I pay for 1 hour what I paid for this girl for 7 hours and she and I both enjoyed ourselves tremendously.

My new friend gave me everything I could ask for as I did for her. I have another date with her tonight but will only do an hour of fun stuff and then out to dinner if she wants to go as friends.

Enjoy the life and for those who want to dump on me, please kiss my ass!

$Bill.[/QUOTE]For a top notch girl to spend 7 hours with you for 450 K is not out of line if you are happy with the experience.

Another case is when you get a SW, and give her 30 or 40 K. Does that make you a Cheap Bastard? I have seen guys trying to pay 20 k at the Mayo when the girl asked 30 K (she was a 7). That is a cheap bastard. Those girls need that money much more than the high priced girls, and those guys who use them are helping them just as much as what some guys pay for the top shelf girls.

As far as anyone trying to keep prices down in MDE it should be very clear by now they are wasting their time.

Why are people being called out for cheap bastards. It is much cheaper to find girls in Thailand. The rates and quotes from girls is better there.

Does that make everyone cheap for going there?? Or whatever amount they pay the girl. Is probably less then what they pay in Medellin.

Whatever the girl accepts then that's the deal, many so no gracias if you go too low and then you find middle ground everyone goes home happy.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1789236]For a top notch girl to spend 7 hours with you for 450 K is not out of line if you are happy with the experience.

Another case is when you get a SW, and give her 30 or 40 K. Does that make you a Cheap Bastard? I have seen guys trying to pay 20 k at the Mayo when the girl asked 30 K (she was a 7). That is a cheap bastard. Those girls need that money much more than the high priced girls, and those guys who use them are helping them just as much as what some guys pay for the top shelf girls.

As far as anyone trying to keep prices down in MDE it should be very clear by now they are wasting their time.[/QUOTE]

You did not pay too much extra. Normal price for all night is 400 mil most girls. I have paid as high as 600 mil for all night. On rare occasion I have paid 700 mil all night.

It depends on quality of the girl. But 400 mil is very normal now. Enjoy your trip. .

By the way no need to ask me who did I feel like paying 700 mil to as I am not sharing photos here on board.. But they were actual models...

John.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1789236]For a top notch girl to spend 7 hours with you for 450 K is not out of line if you are happy with the experience.

Another case is when you get a SW, and give her 30 or 40 K. Does that make you a Cheap Bastard? I have seen guys trying to pay 20 k at the Mayo when the girl asked 30 K (she was a 7). That is a cheap bastard. Those girls need that money much more than the high priced girls, and those guys who use them are helping them just as much as what some guys pay for the top shelf girls.

As far as anyone trying to keep prices down in MDE it should be very clear by now they are wasting their time.[/QUOTE]

I've seen some mention Facebook girls here. Read the forum and searched Facebook for with a bunch of key words Medellin (of course), Chica, Prepago, scort etc. Haven't had a lot of luck finding candidates. Appreciate any suggestions. Will be taking my first trip to MDE (veteran of Brazil, CD, DR and Thailand) in early January. Figure put these next two months to good use trolling Facebook.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1789321]I've seen some mention Facebook girls here. Read the forum and searched Facebook for with a bunch of key words Medellin (of course), Chica, Prepago, scort etc. Haven't had a lot of luck finding candidates. Appreciate any suggestions. Will be taking my first trip to MDE (veteran of Brazil, CD, DR and Thailand) in early January. Figure put these next two months to good use trolling Facebook.[/QUOTE]Just another in many on the forum who claims to have traveled the world but never leaves there couch in there mothers basement. Looking at your posting history there are no trip reports, no information to help others, several posts stating you are going to Medellin, and many questions seeking information.

Hopefully others on here can see you are nothing but a troll and will not feed into it. When you leave Medellin post a trip report.

Jake,

What would a girl like Mellisa expect for 3 HR seevice? And how do you get any money? You get a cut from the girls?

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1789126]I think your point is well taken about the need for sex and love and how most cultures just want the older men to push their desire under the carpet, and be lonely and die! What gives me satisfaction as a love broker is to see guys coming down to reconnect with their dead sexual desire, because they have no outlet in their homeland. The girl who took care of the wheelchair guy was one the many good girls in the casa Zandalay! I could care less about the haters! I have a lot of guys who like being here with myself and Eric and we enjoy lending a hand to guys who want it! Do it yourselfers is not for everyone and for me personally, I enjoy traveling alone but like to be in a place where I can be social and hang out with like minded guys during the time in between the women! We offer unique services that no one else offers and we are proud and happy to be here living our dream!

Mellisa below really wants to meet you and is happy to please!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake[/QUOTE]

Gents,

Just had a few questions.

First anyone who has used Colombiajakes services just looking for feedback and to make sure everything is on the up and up, jake if your seeing this don't know you, just trying to get my ducks in a line before I book.

Second. If not jake then can someone fill me in on the mansion is it worth it, it ll be me and my bro I speak a little Spanish working on it until the trip gets here.

Third-I'm not jerk gringo don't plan on getting off the beaten path so to speak so what are the chances if I act like I've been to a foreign country before that I won't have any problems, and have a nice safe trip.

Misc. Any recommendations on great places to eat, and gringo friendly bars and clubs where you can have a good time not so much on the case side but going for drinks dancing etc.

And casas which are the best not sure if ya ll can post that or not.

Anyways folks any feedback is much appreciated looking forward to my trip, have wanted to visit for awhile I hear nothing but good things about the people and culture thanks everyone.

Paying $400,000 and up is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=John;1789283]You did not pay too much extra. Normal price for all night is 400 mil most girls. I have paid as high as 600 mil for all night. On rare occasion I have paid 700 mil all night.

It depends on quality of the girl. But 400 mil is very normal now. Enjoy your trip. .

By the way no need to ask me who did I feel like paying 700 mil to as I am not sharing photos here on board.. But they were actual models...

John.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John;1789283]You did not pay too much extra...

...By the way no need to ask me who did I feel like paying 700 mil to as I am not sharing photos here on board.. But they were actual models...

John.[/QUOTE]He didn't pay too much?. Ayay yay!

And of course they were models since there will never be photos. Hahaha.

Here are two great American sayings very fitting for this occasion:

1- Put up or shut up.

2- Trust but verify.

Here is my part.

This sweetheart didn't ask for much as she is not a pro. She was nicely surprised when I gave her 120 k for a GFE all evening till next day just before lunch time. Zero attitude, clean body and super sweet and passionate in bed. Never complained and now is a regular repeat.

She initially came to my place thinking it will be a one shot for 30 k and now she always wants to come over. LOL.

Men paying these non realistic prices either lazy or don't understand basic economics 101.

LETS STICK TO THE GIRLS AND NEW INTEL REPORTS. GIRLS FROM MANSION, FACEBOOK, CASAS.

Hoping we do not get back and fort on whether someone paid too much or too little. To each their own.

As long as we know or have range of prices people are paying for short timer and all night then that is good.

Prices for mansion girls.

Prices discussed for facebook girls.

Prices for CASA girls.

Prices for Strip Club girls.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1789368]He didn't pay too much?. Ayay yay!

And of course they were models since there will never be photos. Hahaha.

Here are two great American sayings very fitting for this occasion:

1- Put up or shut up.

2- Trust but verify.

Here is my part.

This sweetheart didn't ask for much as she is not a pro. She was nicely surprised when I gave her 120 k for a GFE all evening till next day just before lunch time. Zero attitude, clean body and super sweet and passionate in bed. Never complained and now is a regular repeat.

She initially came to my place thinking it will be a one shot for 30 k and now she always wants to come over. LOL.

Men paying these non realistic prices either lazy or don't understand basic economics 101.[/QUOTE]

Is pretty shitty. But you will be OK if you are someone's guest.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1788843]For those of you who live or have lived in Medellin. Can you tell me what you think of Paris in Bello? I have an amiga who lives there. She wants me to visit her and have lunch in her home. However, I'm always hesitant to head out to a barrio without knowing anything about it.

I did some Google research, but didn't find much that is current. I'm comfortable in Belen and Laurales and Envigado and Itagui, but have never been further. Any thoughts?

I don't want to insult her, but I don't want to make myself a target either (I trust her, but you never know about everyone else in the area).[/QUOTE]

I know someone. But she is a friend; so tell me a little about yourself.

[QUOTE=Bejaco42;1788882]I know a masajista name Olga but, can't get in touch with her. Does anyone know of a masajista in Medellin. That gives a good massage and happy ending?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1789122]I been making contacts with some facebook girl and getting quotes from 150 k to 200 k plus taxi to meet up in.

An apt. Was hoping pricing would be a little less, wonder now how much all night, tln would be?

I will be staying El Poblado area, how far is that from Mayorista. I guess street girls would be lowest prices.

Any street action in Parque lleras??

Hoping to see this girl, see attachment.[/QUOTE]150k to 200k is about right. You have to realize that probably 99.9% of the chicas you are contacting on FB worked at the Mansion at one time or another, so they are used to getting those prices. And yes, they will be expecting you to pay for their taxi to and from your apartment.

Don't be afraid to ask about the prices before they arrive to your place. It's nothing new to them, and as I stated in the post that you quoted me on, it's best to get that stuff worked out beforehand so that there are no surprises (especially since the average wait time for a chica to arrive at your place is anywhere between an hour and a half to two hours).

Good luck with that chica in the photo. I've never been with her, but I've seen her on FB and she's about the most plastic-looking chica I've ever seen. Kinda nasty-looking compared to what Medellin has to offer, but to each his own.

I don't know anything about the Mayorista street scene. Not really my thing. Ditto for Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1789150]Hello Sir,

It's your money and you have the right to spend as you see fit and I respect that. The problem I have with that situation is that you didn't even bother to negotiate, you took her first highball offer. You were desperate sorry to say. Negotiating is the game both sides play in the P4P arena otherwise MDE would become Costa Rica where the girls are used to the guys overpaying and they dictate the rules (condom blow jobs, money up front, no TLN, one pop).

I'm glad you had a wonderful experience but next time offer between 200 k-300 k for the 7 hours and then when she refuses or doesn't counter offer escort her out or pay her asking price but at least you played the game. I appreciate the honesty in your reporting but your defensive nature tells me that deep down inside you knew you were wrong.

I know you probably won't take my advice but maybe someone else will. Good luck in your future travels.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to call him out on the price he paid (that's too easy), but I just don't understand why someone would ask a puta they've never met for a 7 HR block of time. All kinds of shit can go wrong: What if she refuses to give head without a condom? What if she shows up bleeding (on her period)? What if she just plain sucks at sex (starfish)? Or she's just a boring person in general?


That's one of the reasons why I only do Today La Noche with chicas I have been with in the past. That way I know exactly what I am getting, and there are no surprises (loca chica, lazy in bed, condom blowjobs, etc.) when it comes to sex.

Here we go again Pricing Police. HAHHA. Come on guys enjoy Medellin for what it is. It is full of Paisas those who you can find on Facebook and those who you can find in casas like New Life. Then the are those that only work with friends circle and will not give most of us time of there day.

There are many girls that you see in Medellin facebook that you will want to fuck but they will not reply to you. What we as gringos pay is nothing compared to what rich colombian guys pay some of these girls. Rich colombian guys pay 1 million a night to 2 million a night. So paying 400 mil for a good looking girl all night is not that big a problem.

By the way those who want to contradict my statement and act all smart oh well I know you can get girls cheap and Kudos to you. As Dollar Bill says go ahead take advantage of the girls.

Everyone works differentlly in Medellin. I have been going to medellin over 10 years so I do know all the basics. I have stayed in medellin 2 months on average in past 10 years so that is almost 2 years of Mongering in Medellin. Girls can cost you 150 mil a night and then there are girls who can cost you 1 million a night. It just depends on what you are looking for.

Money is all relative. Economics 101 is basic there are those of us who don't mind to spend money for what they are getting and there are those of us who are willing to say no. If 400 mil all night is not what you are looking for then don't pay it. Go look your diamonds in the rough I am sure you will find them.

Have a good day and less Hatred towards other mongers.

As per Casa girls New life last costed 30 mil for 30 minutes I believe last I was there at least 5 years ago. Energy cost 110 mil I believe or approximately that much for 45 min session. Loutron now cost 260 mil pesos. Lindas Chicas (one of my old time favorite places) costs 150 mil multa and 200 mil for the girl all night. All night is a better option to pick girls from here. I recommend highly. Sometimes Nancy owner of Lindas chicas do really have some diamonds in the rough.

Strip Clubs like Face Dos and Sandiego suck service and they charge about 180 mil or something like that. La Isla girls will ask you about 200 mil session to 500 mill all night. Depends on the girls. La isla girls some of them are decent looking.

As per Facebook Girls 150 mil to 200 mil plus one taxi coming in is normal pricing for one shot. Then there are those who will not give you time of day for less than 400 mil 2 hrs. And 1 million all night.

Regards.

John.

Yeah John, you should have been here 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=John;1789501]Here we go again Pricing Police. HAHHA. Come on guys enjoy Medellin for what it is. It is full of Paisas those who you can find on Facebook and those who you can find in casas like New Life. Then the are those that only work with friends circle and will not give most of us time of there day.
when I was getting the best for 25,000 cop..its best years are behind us,,
There are many girls that you see in Medellin facebook that you will want to fuck but they will not reply to you. What we as gringos pay is nothing compared to what rich colombian guys pay some of these girls. Rich colombian guys pay 1 million a night to 2 million a night. So paying 400 mil for a good looking girl all night is not that big a problem.

By the way those who want to contradict my statement and act all smart oh well I know you can get girls cheap and Kudos to you. As Dollar Bill says go ahead take advantage of the girls.

Everyone works differentlly in Medellin. I have been going to medellin over 10 years so I do know all the basics. I have stayed in medellin 2 months on average in past 10 years so that is almost 2 years of Mongering in Medellin. Girls can cost you 150 mil a night and then there are girls who can cost you 1 million a night. It just depends on what you are looking for..[/QUOTE]

Hi brothers (which includes you super hard working cheap asses).

About a week ago, CJACKSPARROW posted a note on this board about Evita. I finally was able to make a date with her last night and all I can say is that her talents are extremely highly recommended. Her body has baby damage and really no tits but her skills with her mouth and also her pussy were fantastic.

I am 52 years old and went to Abydos yesterday for my daily nooner with Sophia. As usual, she did her job and emptied my leche. I was not sure how much I would have left for last night but with Evita, BBBJCIM was on order. I had chewed on a vit v before she arrived and after she got me off with the BJ, I knew I would be able to get it up again but not sure how much I had left in me. She got me going again in around 5 minutes. We did the nasty in many positions. She got me off again in less than 20 minutes after the first time which really is rare for me these days.

All I can say about Evita is ALL GOOD. She has a sad story as many of the girls have but if you can look beyond the baby damage and the lack of tits, you will be very happy you did. Contact CJACKSPARROW for her info (or me). She would like to meet up with more guys from this site that are willing to help her financially. There is a major reason she charged double of what her friend charged and that is called a SON. She has to pay someone 50 K just to watch the kid while she is doing dates. After paying the babysitter, taxi, and condoms, do you think she would want to fuck strange men for just a few dollars? I really doubt any of us would.

A comment about overpaying, being lazy or just trying to kill the market for the rest of you mongers. There are many places to find extremely cheap pussy to very expensive pussy. It is all about what you can afford, how much time you have to find what you want, and how your connection is with the girl. For those that really want to pay nothing, use your hand and you will save those dollars.

If you were here for work, have limited time, and you have done well financially in life, would you spend hours on the internet to find a girl that interests you only to haggle and have her walk away?

I used to be a high volume monger. Meaning 35 chicas on a 13 day vacation. I have changed my philosophy to be more of a quality vs quantity. If you find good one, and you are not looking to get laid 6 times a day, then a few extra dollars here or there to keep you (and her) happy is a no-brainer.

Have fun, be safe and enjoy the life.

$Bill.

P.S. - I have been on this board on and off for 12 years now, and have posted pictures in the past but these days, I just prefer not to ask anymore. I would not want them asking me for my photo so they could post it to a board of pros looking for johns.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1789150]It's your money and you have the right to spend as you see fit and I respect that. The problem I have with that situation is that you didn't even bother to negotiate, you took her first highball offer. You were desperate sorry to say. Negotiating is the game both sides play in the P4P arena otherwise MDE would become Costa Rica where the girls are used to the guys overpaying and they dictate the rules (condom blow jobs, money up front, no TLN, one pop).

I appreciate the honesty in your reporting but your defensive nature tells me that deep down inside you knew you were wrong.[/QUOTE]LOL. When I was reading his report I was 1/4 of the way through and thought I was getting to the good part. Then I read the remaining 3/4 and saw he was off on a tangent about he spends his money how he wants.

I am reminded of being in Ghana with 2 guys a couple of years back. Now one guy was seasoned and supposedly knew his stuff. The other guy was a newbie and green. We went to the market because they were looking for the handmade drums to buy their sons. We walked into one shop and they asked the guy how much would particular drums cost and could he engrave their sons' names at the bottom. The guy told them $100. I sat there laughing in my head and waiting for the negotiation to go down when all of a sudden I hear both guys say okay. I'm thinking what the fuck. But of course I was not going to say anything to bust up the guy's hustle. You expect that from a newbie, but not from a seasoned guy.

The thing I love about "third world" countries is that people expect you to negotiate and not jump on the first price. And that is why they will highball you. But with your "first world" thinking you take that as THE price (same as you see marked in Walmart back home). You also want to be prideful and not come off as being cheap, so you accept.

By the way, I bought my drum for 35 cedi some time before that when the exchange rate was about 2 cedi to US$1 (It is now 3.83 to US$1). So I paid around $17 for it. Was I being cheap by negotiating that price? I don't know. But what I do know is that I paid $83 less than the other two guys for the same damn thing. I have no shame about it either.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1789326]Just another in many on the forum who claims to have traveled the world but never leaves there couch in there mothers basement. Looking at your posting history there are no trip reports, no information to help others, several posts stating you are going to Medellin, and many questions seeking information.

Hopefully others on here can see you are nothing but a troll and will not feed into it. When you leave Medellin post a trip report.[/QUOTE]Here is my report from a short trip to Spain.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?788-Madrid&p=1786895[/URL]#post1786895.

Here is my report from a trip to Japan.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=528569[/URL]#post528569.

Here is my report from a trip to Beijing.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=1356251[/URL]#post1356251.

Here is my report from Montreal.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?385-Montreal&p=495661[/URL]#post495661.

I am not a troll. If you don't want to share anything, fine, but please don't slander me. I have never been to MDE yet, started planning a trip a few years ago but had to cancel, but if I go rest assured I would post a report as I have for other destinations. I'm still hoping some will answer my question about the best way to find Facebook girls in MDE.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789519]All I can say about Evita is ALL GOOD. She has a sad story as many of the girls have but if you can look beyond the baby damage and the lack of tits, you will be very happy you did. She would like to meet up with more guys from this site that are willing to help her financially. There is a major reason she charged double of what her friend charged and that is called a SON. She has to pay someone 50 K just to watch the kid while she is doing dates. After paying the babysitter, taxi, and condoms, do you think she would want to fuck strange men for just a few dollars? I really doubt any of us would.[/QUOTE]And how is her overhead our problem as johns? You don't walk into McDonald's and say well of course they have to pay for this land, pay these employees, pay taxes, and keep the lights on, so I don't mind paying more for their burgers. As far as I am concerned that is her cost of doing business - the same as any other person would have. Maybe she needs to try to turn 2 tricks each time she leaves her kid at a 50k peso babysitter (seriously dude do you really think a babysitter in Colombia is raking in that kind of money while most people with real jobs do not make that all day). And pay twice as much for a chick of less physical quality? Seems like her sad stories are bypassing your head and going straight to your heart and your wallet. Even still, thanks for the good reports.

[QUOTE=Dollar Bill;1789519]Her body has baby damage and really no tits but her skills with her mouth and also her pussy were fantastic.
She has a sad story as many of the girls have but if you can look beyond the baby damage and the lack of tits, you will be very happy you did.

I used to be a high volume monger. Meaning 35 chicas on a 13 day vacation. I have changed my philosophy to be more of a quality vs quantity.[/QUOTE]Most guys' idea of quality is how the girl looks. Since you went with a titless chick with baby damage I suppose your idea of quality is how the girl performs? Which you could not know unless you fucked the girl first. So it stands to reason that your way you would have to boost your quantity in order to find the quality. But your philosophy is quality over quantity. DB you are confusing the shit out of me!

You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing? I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Bro there is a THICK line between compassion and getting ripped off. If you want to show compassion then go down and donate and volunteer at an orphanage or soup kitchen. The hooker-john game has never been a place to show compassion. These hoes will use you up and not give a fuck about you. If you really want to know how they feel about you then show up without money and see how compassionate they are to donate free pussy to you.

Providing extra assistance to the seller may not be a bad thing, but is it the smart thing? Sure I could have afforded to give the seller twice as much as I did for my house, but that does not make it a good fucking idea.

[QUOTE=John;1789501] What we as gringos pay is nothing compared to what rich colombian guys pay some of these girls. Rich colombian guys pay 1 million a night to 2 million a night. So paying 400 mil for a good looking girl all night is not that big a problem. [/QUOTE]Have you seen the girls with whom these rich Colombian guys session for 1 M - 2 M? I would not hesitate to pay the same amount for these girls. However, I would certainly negotiate down from 450,000 cop TLN for a casa girl. BTW I have no problem with another dude paying 450,000 cop TLN for a chica I pay 200,000 cop TLN.

I have spent over ten years in Latin American countries, including every Spanish-speaking country in South America and all but one in North America and the only thing I know for sure is that if you do not negotiate, you are not respected. That leads to outcomes like hos lying to you about how much the babysitter cost. Compassion is great but being lied to gets old after a while. People from the US who want to give "extra assistance" should take a look at the wage structure in the US, and support higher wages and higher taxes on the very wealthy.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]
My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Never have I landed at a mongering destination and thought, "Damn I can't wait to bend one of these girls over and stuff them full of my compassion.

And regarding the drum, that $83 could've helped out a lot of people, but they were drum shopping, not looking for a soup kitchen to donate to; you can be a charitable person without looking like a mark in the process. I think mongers that get all high and mighty because they consider themselves to be enriching the community / girls' lives with their presence are hilarious; you never see patrons at a strip club defending all the extra money they blew on a girl because "unlike you guys, I'm trying to help her get in college." According to your boss, these girls are probably undefeated against you, LOL.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Don't be so sensitive Sir, this exchange of different ideas has been respectful compared to the old days on the Medellin board when every post was under moderators review. No one is saying don't have compassion just be sensible.

In 2007 I made my first trip to the DR with my cousin. We were sitting on Sosua beach when the guy selling mommaguanna (the bottle with tree limbs in it) approached us. He wanted 12 usd for the bottle so I just gave it to him. My cousin said he had 7 dollars for a bottle and the guy scratched his head and said the lowest he can go is 10 dollars. I sat up in my seat as I'm starting to realize I've been played. My cousin said no to 10 and the guys said okay to 7 dollars. My cousin couldn't even look me in the eye for the next ten minutes because he knew I was played. The guy walked away giving me a look that said " dumb gringo". See my cousin knew the gringo markup vs the local price. I tried to justify it by saying "I got money and I'm helping poor people" but it showed me to be patient and never pay an asking price. I don't expect local pricing but I don't pay the gringo markup either, you have to find that common ground that is fair to both sides.

I hear the excuses about guys having limited time but you can still do your homework before a trip to better prepare you for the culture but most guys don't care about the culture they just want a pretty girl to fuck. So you have guys that don't know about the gringo markup or even care. Rich gringos that just want to throw around money and claim they care about the poor people there but they never learn the language or cultural ways. Hope this post helps you Dollar bill because I really think you care.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Bro, what you have (probably) not experienced yet is hearing the same 5 or 10 stories, over and over again. "I lost my cell phone (or someone stole it), I can't afford the babysitter, I can't pay the rent or utilities this month, I need money for the doctor. " Many of these girls, especially the single moms, feed on "white knight" mentality. The important thing here is recognizing what they are doing. If you choose to be generous since they gave you special service or whatever, then fine. But if they think they pulled one over on you, they will not appreciate you at all, and probably laugh at you behind your back. In Colombia, they have a saying: "Los vivos viven de los bobos. " "Street-smart people live off of fools. ".

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1789347]Jake,

What would a girl like Mellisa expect for 3 HR seevice? And how do you get any money? You get a cut from the girls?[/QUOTE]Thanks and the girls range from 1 to 5 hours and from $50 to $90 dollars so somewhere in between there and no I do not take a cut. Its your responsibility as my friend and guest whether you rent a room and stay here, or rent a room here and stay somewhere else to take care of the girls and you will always be welcome back!

Diana below loves to travel is a lot of fun and speaks quite a bit of English!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

Your reports are appreciated. Just remember that this is a board with many experienced and inexperienced hobbyists, and when you mention a price you paid, you are opening yourself up for criticism and / or praise. It's the norm. You can choose to pay what you want to pay. Had you not mentioned cost etc, the feedback might be different. How you take the feedback, is up to you. Some appreciate it and realize they might not be getting that great of a value and adjust their strategy for next time. Some don't appreciate it and have a GFY attitude. That's fine.

Don't take this in the wrong way, but you are one person. You did not ruin anything for us.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1789541]Here is my report from a short trip to Spain.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?788-Madrid&p=1786895[/URL]#post1786895.

Here is my report from a trip to Japan.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=528569[/URL]#post528569.

Here is my report from a trip to Beijing.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=1356251[/URL]#post1356251..[/QUOTE]Not one of the links you posted is a trip report. If you do not know what a trip report is I suggest you go to the Reports Of Distinction to find out. You would think that a world traveler like yourself would know what one is by now.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1789557]I have spent over ten years in Latin American countries, including every Spanish-speaking country in South America and all but one in North America and the only thing I know for sure is that if you do not negotiate, you are not respected. That leads to outcomes like hos lying to you about how much the babysitter cost. Compassion is great but being lied to gets old after a while. People from the US who want to give "extra assistance" should take a look at the wage structure in the US, and support higher wages and higher taxes on the very wealthy.[/QUOTE]You as is the case 99 percent of the time get it, as well as a select few others here on the board. Unfortunately most do not.

I agree what others have said, paying more is not really showing compassion. Right now, a lot.

Of these girls are boozin, partying, and doing drugs, with the soldiers who are deployed in Colombia (israeli and others).

They are not worrying about their kids or need extra money.

I say if you want to help, then try to see as many as possible, QUANTITY.

To see as many as possible, that means negotiating and get the best prices as possible, and YES maybe being cheap ass if it.

Means you can see her and have more money to spend on many others.

There is a lot of girls to find.

Mansion.

Facebook.

Strip Clubs.

Massage places.

Etc.

But if a girl is getting 400 K or more from other mongers. I guess that means she is going to expect it from others. AND oh well I guess I have to pass on that price.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1789591]Your reports are appreciated. Just remember that this is a board with many experienced and inexperienced hobbyists, and when you mention a price you paid, you are opening yourself up for criticism and / or praise. It's the norm. You can choose to pay what you want to pay. Had you not mentioned cost etc, the feedback might be different. How you take the feedback, is up to you. Some appreciate it and realize they might not be getting that great of a value and adjust their strategy for next time. Some don't appreciate it and have a GFY attitude. That's fine.

Don't take this in the wrong way, but you are one person. You did not ruin anything for us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]No need to stop reporting. There is wisdom in what the other guys wrote. They are correct about the working girls in SA. If you don't negotiate you appear week to them. You never want that to happen.

If you want to learn what compassion in the wrong circumstances will do to you. Talk to a guy that got bent over in divorce court in the USA. Apply that same knowledge to mongering and find your comfort zone.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1789591]Your reports are appreciated. Just remember that this is a board with many experienced and inexperienced hobbyists, and when you mention a price you paid, you are opening yourself up for criticism and / or praise. It's the norm. You can choose to pay what you want to pay. Had you not mentioned cost etc, the feedback might be different. How you take the feedback, is up to you.[/QUOTE]That is why I said he is giving great reports because he mentioned the cost and where he got the girls. To me a report without costs is incomplete. If I am reading a thread to a new destination I am planning on going to and there are no costs then that is not helping me out any. I am reading guys saying they are going there and having a great time fucking chicks. Then when I land and find out that it costs $500 to fuck a chick (or $75000 to fuck 2 chicks as per LO's case) I realize too late that I am out of my league. I think that he just brought extra attention by being defensive in his initial report as Gogo said. Then he turned around and tried to defend the hookers who are not his friends no matter how much compassion he has for them.

I for one could care less about what another guy is paying because it will not mess my game up one bit. (Of course I want some ballpark figures if I have never been to the place though.) But if I am doing something to my own detriment then I would hope other mongers would pipe up and tell me. I did not get to be the monger that I am by not fucking up sometimes. Case in point, when I was in Bogota the night before I went to Medellin in August and paid 115 K in La Piscina. After which I went across the street to Troya and saw they had chicks just as good for 1/3 of the price. Sure it is my money and I do what I want to with it, but I damn sure didn't mean to do that! Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]
My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Since DB said he will not post here any more, SavePros is free to do what SavePros does best:

I read DB's posts and see a Western Union Novio in the making (wouldn't be surprised if he is at his local WU branch standing in line about to fire off remittance as we speak). All this "compassion" talk just screams "White Knight Faggotry".

I suspect this (very) Western way of thinking was the exact same way San Jose, Costa Rica went to shit. A repeated stream of bobo gringos show up in a 3rd World country looking for sex, meet a young, beautiful, tight babe that is only asking for $20 for an hour of her time. Bobo gringo is like "Wow, only $20? But I'm used to paying $200 in my home country for the same thing! I don't want to take advantage of this poor, pretty lass. Here, take $120."

The ENTIRE premise of mongering in another country (aside from the legality of it) is to get younger and better for cheaper. Why would anyone waste their time and money booking a flight, hotel + daily allowance for food to bang hookers at $200 a pop in another country when they can do the same in less time in their home country? Hell, I just banged an Escort the other day for $250 for 1.5 hrs and never had to leave my place (was someone I have seen on multiple occasions). She is easily pushing 40yrs old.

In Colombia I can bang a tight 19yr-25yr old for 30k-180K for 30 mins to an hour? No fucking brainer. That's a steal. That's what the Colombianos are paying (they comprise 98% of the sex market in Colombia to begin with), so why the fuck would you bring your bobo-ass here and all of a sudden decide that it's charitable to pay above and beyond what the market is asking?

My advice to you: If you feel that you are "getting over" or taking advantage of the chicas there because the prices are lower than what you pay back in your home country, turn in your passport and stay the fuck out of the country!

EDIT: This bears repeating because most folks haven't quite grasped the concept yet: The Colombian/Brazilian/Thai/German/Dominican/etc. sex market was there LONG before your cargo shorts and "Aloha Fridays" t-shirt-wearing gringo bobo ass ever caught wind of it. Stop trying to bring your fucked up White Knight ideals about "compassion" to Rome and just fucking do as the Romans do.

He should spend it anyway to maximize his satisfaction. I am not sure how much impact the overpayment by gringos has on the price inflation of sex workers. Overall, among the service consumers, gringos account for less than 20 percent.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1789760]Since DB said he will not post here any more, SavePros is free to do what SavePros does best:

I read DB's posts and see a Western Union Novio in the making (wouldn't be surprised if he is at his local WU branch standing in line about to fire off remittance as we speak). All this "compassion" talk just screams "White Knight Faggotry".

I suspect this (very) Western way of thinking was the exact same way San Jose, Costa Rica went to shit. A repeated stream of bobo gringos show up in a 3rd World country looking for sex, meet a young, beautiful, tight babe that is only asking for $20 for an hour of her time. Bobo gringo is like "Wow, only $20? But I'm used to paying $200 in my home country for the same thing! I don't want to take advantage of this poor, pretty lass. Here, take $120.".[/QUOTE]

Another point. You put yourself at increased risk of a theft / attack if you've throwing that kind of money at the girls. It's almost certain that she will tell her friends (both male and female) that you'd be a juicy target. 400,000 pesos is a lot of money for most Colombians! Many don't make that much in a few weeks work. IMO paying a chica that kind of money is equivalent to walking around with an expensive watch or a gold chain hanging out. You're advertising what a great target you'd be.

Gringos have been robbed at gunpoint inside their vacation apartments in Medellin before (doormen will take a "donation" to let someone in). Or by taxi drivers the girl lets in on the deal. Hell, the whole Mansion has been held up because some idiot guest was bragging about how much money he had with him. Guests have been robbed right in front of the Mansion returning from the ATM.

Of course what the other posters have said about respect is absolutely true. The respect the girls have for us is generally inversely related to the amount of money you pay them. Pay her a crazy amount of money, and she generally thinks you're a sapp.

If you really want to be compassionate, why don't you give money to the not-so-hot looking chicas who have to scrub shit for next to nothing and barely have enough to eat. They need the money a lot more than some silicone-injected chica who blows most of what she makes on clothes and partying.

God, please don't ever use the word "bobo" again. I've seen that word being used more in your one post here than I have in my entire life.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1789760]Since DB said he will not post here any more, SavePros is free to do what SavePros does best:

I read DB's posts and see a Western Union Novio in the making (wouldn't be surprised if he is at his local WU branch standing in line about to fire off remittance as we speak). All this "compassion" talk just screams "White Knight Faggotry".

I suspect this (very) Western way of thinking was the exact same way San Jose, Costa Rica went to shit. A repeated stream of bobo gringos show up in a 3rd World country looking for sex, meet a young, beautiful, tight babe that is only asking for $20 for an hour of her time. Bobo gringo is like "Wow, only $20? But I'm used to paying $200 in my home country for the same thing! I don't want to take advantage of this poor, pretty lass. Here, take $120."

The ENTIRE premise of mongering in another country (aside from the legality of it) is to get younger and better for cheaper. Why would anyone waste their time and money booking a flight, hotel + daily allowance for food to bang hookers at $200 a pop in another country when they can do the same in less time in their home country? Hell, I just banged an Escort the other day for $250 for 1.5 hrs and never had to leave my place (was someone I have seen on multiple occasions). She is easily pushing 40yrs old.

In Colombia I can bang a tight 19yr-25yr old for 30k-180K for 30 mins to an hour? No fucking brainer. That's a steal. That's what the Colombianos are paying (they comprise 98% of the sex market in Colombia to begin with), so why the fuck would you bring your bobo-ass here and all of a sudden decide that it's charitable to pay above and beyond what the market is asking?

My advice to you: If you feel that you are "getting over" or taking advantage of the chicas there because the prices are lower than what you pay back in your home country, turn in your passport and stay the fuck out of the country!

EDIT: This bears repeating because most folks haven't quite grasped the concept yet: The Colombian/Brazilian/Thai/German/Dominican/etc. sex market was there LONG before your cargo shorts and "Aloha Fridays" t-shirt-wearing gringo bobo ass ever caught wind of it. Stop trying to bring your fucked up White Knight ideals about "compassion" to Rome and just fucking do as the Romans do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1789768]Another point. You put yourself at increased risk of a theft / attack if you've throwing that kind of money at the girls. It's almost certain that she will tell her friends (both male and female) that you'd be a juicy target. 400,000 is a lot of money for most Colombians! Many don't make that much money in a few weeks work. If they know you have that kind of cash, you're asking for it. Always better to play the humble visitor.

Gringos have been robbed at gunpoint inside their vacation apartments in Medellin before (doormen will take a "donation" to let someone slip in). And by taxi drivers the girl lets in on the deal. Hell, the whole Mansion has been held up because some idiot guest was bragging about how much money he brought with him. Guests have been robbed right in front of the Mansion returning from the ATM.
[/QUOTE]Don't forget about the NY Gringo that was murdered in El Poblado just last month:

[QUOTE=Revere;1779457]An American tourist was shot to death during an apparent robbery attempt after leaving his hotel in a wealthy enclave of Medellin, Colombian authorities said Saturday.

Police identified the victim as John Mariani, 65, of New York, and said he was attacked Friday night when his taxi was intercepted by gunmen in a car and on a motorcycle. They said the assailants tried to take his wallet and personal belongings and shot him when he resisted. The attackers then fled.

Police offered a $16,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the perpetrators.

The USA Embassy had no immediate comment. Police said Mariani had arrived in Medellin from Costa Rica, but gave no other information on him.

[b]El Poblado neighborhood where the shooting happened is one of the Medellin's wealthiest and safest enclaves.[/b] It is a leafy neighborhood that is home to the city's vibrant dining scene and dozens of high-rise apartment buildings and hotels.

Medellin, the country's second biggest city, is a far cry from the 1980's when it was the headquarters for Pablo Escobar's feared Medellin cocaine cartel, and it has been experiencing a boom in tourism. The New York Times featured it at No. 11 on its list of 52 places to go in 2015.

Although the city remains a major center of crime, violence has dropped since Escobar's heyday, when more than a dozen people were slain daily on average. The city had a homicide rate last year of 26.1 per 100,000 residents, about five times the USA Average but well below major American cities like Detroit and Baltimore.

Seven Colombians were extradited to the USA Last year to face charges in the stabbing death of a Drug Enforcement Administration agent, James "Terry" Watson, who was killed during a botched "express kidnapping" by a ring that targeted unsuspecting passengers hailing taxi cabs in Bogota.[/QUOTE]


Puntz79: Bobo :P

Did I say "Bobo"?

Don't forget you can always use that bobo ignore button.

Anyone going Mid Nov?

[QUOTE=Combo;1789768]If you really want to be compassionate, why don't you give money to the not-so-hot looking chicas who have to scrub shit for next to nothing and barely have enough to eat. They need the money a lot more than some silicone-injected chica who blows most of what she makes on clothes and partying.[/QUOTE]Exactly. One thing that I have done throughout my protracted and undistinguished mongering career is fuck a lot of maids, waitresses, and so forth who were almost universally appreciative of whatever money I chose to give them. I actually had a bit of a sub-specialty in fucking maids in méxican resorts in the 1990s. I would invite them over when their shifts were done and cook for them. Most of them had never had a man cook a great meal for them in their lives. I would normally try to give them the same amount of money they would otherwise earn in a day.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1789780]Anyone going Mid Nov?[/QUOTE]Surf, you may want to post this in the "Travel Announcements Only" thread. That's usually the place to find fellow mongers who may be in town when you are.

Just tell me how many of you guys will have a problem paying her 200 mil for 2 hrs of session with her. If you feel you can get her for 150 yes you could but. . then you will getall her rules. Smacked on your face as well. Now next tell me what would you pay her for all night sesssion. Normally it is 400 mil. Now if you guys think that this girl deserves the same amount of money as New Life girls you guys must be on some drugs.

I have not posted any photos for a long time of any girls but If you guys feel that you can do similar looks for cheaper oh well Good for you.

I have no problem facing her for $70 2 hrs. Or paying her $140 for all night where I get 3 shots or more with her.

Have a good time in Medellin.

John.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1789781]Exactly. One thing that I have done throughout my protracted and undistinguished mongering career is fuck a lot of maids, waitresses, and so forth who were almost universally appreciative of whatever money I chose to give them. I actually had a bit of a sub-specialty in fucking maids in mxican resorts in the 1990s. I would invite them over when their shifts were done and cook for them. Most of them had never had a man cook a great meal for them in their lives. I would normally try to give them the same amount of money they would otherwise earn in a day.[/QUOTE]Compassionate indeed! Someday you'll be rewarded for your good deeds.

[QUOTE=John;1789787]Just tell me how many of you guys will have a problem paying her 200 mil for 2 hrs of session with her. If you feel you can get her for 150 yes you could but. . then you will getall her rules. Smacked on your face as well. Now next tell me what would you pay her for all night sesssion. Normally it is 400 mil. Now if you guys think that this girl deserves the same amount of money as New Life girls you guys must be on some drugs.

I have not posted any photos for a long time of any girls but If you guys feel that you can do similar looks for cheaper oh well Good for you.

I have no problem facing her for $70 2 hrs. Or paying her $140 for all night where I get 3 shots or more with her.

Have a good time in Medellin.

John.[/QUOTE]150k-200k falls within the normal range of prices for Medellin. You probably could do better on the 400k negotiation for TLN though. If you just HAVE to have this chick, then sure, pay whatever. But just keep in mind that there are chicas that are just as hot that would gladly take 250k-300k for TLN.

I personally would say Yami is hotter than the chica you posted (body-wise; the chica you posted beats her in facial aesthetics). And (aside from that slight odor. Has she gotten that taken care of yet, LOL?) you can satisfy your "fitness model" fetish with her for only 150k.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1789760]Since DB said he will not post here any more, SavePros is free to do what SavePros does best:

I read DB's posts and see a Western Union Novio in the making (wouldn't be surprised if he is at his local WU branch standing in line about to fire off remittance as we speak). All this "compassion" talk just screams "White Knight Faggotry".

I suspect this (very) Western way of thinking was the exact same way San Jose, Costa Rica went to shit. A repeated stream of bobo gringos show up in a 3rd World country looking for sex, meet a young, beautiful, tight babe that is only asking for $20 for an hour of her time. Bobo gringo is like "Wow, only $20? But I'm used to paying $200 in my home country for the same thing! I don't want to take advantage of this poor, pretty lass. Here, take $120.".[/QUOTE]Very best post I have read probably in years as it is speaking about reality. To bad it cannot be pinned to the top of every thread on the Colombia board. Good work Save Pros, let me rephrase it, excellent work!

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1789780]Anyone going Mid Nov?[/QUOTE]Read the forum index and post your question in the appropriate thread.

Yami is a sweet heart. Nothing against her. I was the first one to fly her to Cuba. Her first trip overseas. Anyways that is a different story but Yami was working those prices back 2 years ago. Now at this point things have changed a bit. I know what I am talking about as I know mostly all quality good looking girl that you guys do and I know them way before most of the guys here on board will get to know. I did Vane first night for 300 mil all night but that was a trio. If I wanted to get Vane for 300 mil I could easily do so but that is a price I can get for my personal long term friendship with her.

Yami and I are friends I can never put her down but Yami now works at the same 300 mil price all night for 2 reasons. 1. she is no longer the new flavor of the month and she knows it. 2. Yami is older now. So obviously her face has taken toll over the looks a bit.

Most Importantly, HEeheh and look at this sentence with your eyes open. When you have invited a girl that did not show up and you are holding your dicks in your hands and the girls tell you they can't come or dont answer to you. .. hahahah guess what they are coming over to me and not to you for that extra $33.. My time is very important to me in medellin. I don't want to hold my dick in my hand where as somebody else outbid me. I want my dates to come and not go to some other dude for $33 extra.

So there I can prove my point again and again that there is a difference between the two. On top of it all Yami is so sweet that an extra $30 to her from me is just a gift I will pay her that much extra for all night any given day for specific services that I am looking for which you may or may not be getting from most of the girls. So Yes you can offer Vane or any of the girls that I pay 400 mil all night 300 mil but then most likely you will get 2 shots from them. Extra $33 gives me that and something more which I am not discussing here.

Some of us are looking for normal sex 2 shots a night. I am looking for more then that and I don't want the girl to haggle with me in the night for an extra 100 mil. Fuck that Not going to ruin my mood. Rather just pay the girl that extra and tell her what I want in advance. No bullshit kind of person I am.

By the way you guys can enjoy most mansion girls for 300 mil all night I don't care. I don't even date mansion girls. If I do I date them before they ever get to the Mansion. Rarely very rarely I would go look at mansion girls.

I have broken in so many new girls into the working girls scene that I can't even remember. I will name a few since most of them are no longer working. Camila Rivera, Kelly Giraldo, Ale Giraldo, Kelly Kelly all those were brought to mansion for the first time by me. So please stop arguing on the subject that 400 mil is too much all night. It all depends what are you looking for.

John.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1789793]150k-200k falls within the normal range of prices for Medellin. You probably could do better on the 400k negotiation for TLN though. If you just HAVE to have this chick, then sure, pay whatever. But just keep in mind that there are chicas that are just as hot that would gladly take 250k-300k for TLN.

I personally would say Yami is hotter than the chica you posted (body-wise; the chica you posted beats her in facial aesthetics). And (aside from that slight odor. Has she gotten that taken care of yet, LOL?) you can satisfy your "fitness model" fetish with her for only 150k.[/QUOTE]

Are the gentleman that took Yami and Geraldine to Cuba? And if so at the time you took them they were both mansion girls.

Yami, the blonde Mansion girl with gigantic fake breasts? I guess everyone's tastes are different. She looks like a homely Gringa more than a hot Latina to me. Or maybe I'm just not compassionate enough.

[QUOTE=Combo;1789831]Yami, the blonde Mansion girl with gigantic fake breasts? I guess everyone's tastes are different. She looks like a homely Gringa more than a hot Latina to me. Or maybe I'm just not compassionate enough.[/QUOTE]Not sure what your taste is, but she is beautiful as the man from SoCal stated, or I should say Gods gift to the women of Medellin stated.

Haha. You are bad. Well just a caveat. When I took Yami to Cuba she didn't have those huge fake breasts but she is a lovely person and obviously age takes toll on these girls. That is exactly why I am always looking for new and better looking girls.

John.

[QUOTE=Combo;1789831]Yami, the blonde Mansion girl with gigantic fake breasts? I guess everyone's tastes are different. She looks like a homely Gringa more than a hot Latina to me. Or maybe I'm just not compassionate enough.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1789780]Anyone going Mid Nov?[/QUOTE]Be there Nov 6-12 bit in CtG with the novia.

[QUOTE=PhillysFinest1;1789358]Gents,

Just had a few questions.

First anyone who has used Colombiajakes services just looking for feedback and to make sure everything is on the up and up, jake if your seeing this don't know you, just trying to get my ducks in a line before I book.

Second. If not jake then can someone fill me in on the mansion is it worth it, it ll be me and my bro I speak a little Spanish working on it until the trip gets here.

Third-I'm not jerk gringo don't plan on getting off the beaten path so to speak so what are the chances if I act like I've been to a foreign country before that I won't have any problems, and have a nice safe trip.

Misc. Any recommendations on great places to eat, and gringo friendly bars and clubs where you can have a good time not so much on the case side but going for drinks dancing etc.

And casas which are the best not sure if ya ll can post that or not.

Anyways folks any feedback is much appreciated looking forward to my trip, have wanted to visit for awhile I hear nothing but good things about the people and culture thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]Philly -.

Given that there are 18,000 posts on the Medellin forum, it shouldn't surprise you that your questions have been asked and answered many times before. However given that its your first post, I will do what I can to help. First, pay the $20 bucks to Jackson so you can have full access to the forum and can send private messages to board members so you don't clog the main board up. Second, if you click on my username in the top left of this post, you can see all the posts I have made. Many of these have involved comparisons of the Mansion and Colombia Jake. I am basically a newbie like you but have been to Medellin twice, with Colombia Jake and at the Mansion. Both are legitimate venues that are ideal for newbies with limited or no Spanish skills. Also if you scroll down from the main Colombia page, you will see a sub forum for Colombia Jake and one for the Casa Blanca Medellin (this is another name for the Mansion) where you can read more about each place. Personally I think you are very safe if you stay in one of these venues and generally stay in the Poblado area, of course staying sober and not acting stupid always helps. The view of some posters here seems to be that the El Centro area is not that safe at night, but many seem to disagree with this (of course if you are alone and don't speak much Spanish, it seems wise not to test the boundries). The Park LLeres area has a lot of food places and clubs, this is in Poblado. I wouldn't waste time trying to find great food options in Medellin before you arrive- its not exactly a foodie destination, use your time before the trip to brush up on Spanish. Hope this helps.

Lot of drama the past 24 hours. I actually appreciated Dollar Bill's reports. It's a shame he's been chased off the range.

But with today's exchange rates 450 k is about $150, I don't think that's an insane amount of money for 7 hours. I don't think he overpaid by an amount that was unforgivable, or that a little reform could fix.

7 hours is practically a TLN, and as someone else mentioned below TLNs are going for 300 and often around 400. So if you average the range, you could say he overpaid by $33.

Still I think it's important to keep in mind the basic tips and concepts when it comes to pricing:

1) Whether you're a newbie or not, read as many recent trip reports (over the past year) as you can, and get an idea of the price ranges for different kinds of venues and monger styles.

2) It's absolutely OK (expected even) to negotiate, as that's a cultural norm all over Latin America, and probably other regions of the world. Make the effort no matter how "not right" it feels as a gringo.

3) Chicas lie and give flaky excuses. You can too, LOL!

4) The Colombian is very impulsive. She lives in the moment. Use this to your advantage!

5) Why even ask cuanto? If you've read the reports and done your homework, you can offer first. That puts you in the driver's seat instead of her!

I can probably write a whole chapter developing and expanding the above five points but I'll leave that to others for now. But easy on the diatribes, we need people to contribute even if they're "overpaying" and no need to pile on them unless the amount was really something ridiculous.

Girl with big breasts approached her while she was crossing a street towards the metro line in el centro the prada station area night time!

Told me she is not a working girl. LOL I told her I'm not looking for working girls. Just a semi who didn't expect a foreigner proposition her but was happy I was there to offer her a safer private apartment instead of he shitty hotels in the area. Told her my place is just 10 min away. In reality it was 30 min. We got to my apartment in el centro she obliged and took a good shower came out and gave a sweet GFE. I am not a fan of anal. But after the first shot I couldn't nut doing her normal. So I proded her and she initially resisted and explained she never did it not even with her BF. She looked scared.

I told her no worries I know how to ease it in with a lubricant. . she asked me what is a lubricant. . lmao. . I showed her and put a bit on her fingers she relaxed abit. Well, she was definitely a virgin there! I admit she was in pain and the perverted S&M in me woke up and didn't stop drilling her till I nutted deep in that tight hole. She took it as a champ for a first timer.

Was happy when I gave her 50 k cop and never complained. Future repeat for sure.

The other girl is a kripa smoker I knew from before. Here she is talking to her friend from my place after we did not deed. GFE minus oral. She was happy with 30 k cop. I eventually hooked up with her close friend who I posted below who is by far one of my best GFE.

You need to learn spanish. Looks don't mater and age doesn't mater. YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO CONVERSATE IN ESPANOL.

SO stop being lazy and learn spanish so you can approach any girl in the streets and have great experiences and not waist money.

Good Job really Kudos. Problem is this shit will take lots of time and you will get lucky few and far between. By the way this same thing you can do where you live as well. What you got is poor girl who was not looking for any work and you took her for a nice ride. I have friends who come to Medellin and their interest is never to pay the girls. It's different that I call those same friends the lowest of the low because they lie to the girls as they tell girls they are looking for Girl friends in Medellin, but in your case you did pay her so you did not lie to her.

As per speaking Spanish I fully agree that once you speak spanish fluently your experience with a girl goes ten times better. My spanish is fluent but bro to each his own and most of the mongers that come to medellin only go there for a week and I am sure you will agree that good looking girls like this when you approach them could be a dangerous proposition in Colombia as well. You mess with the girl friend of the wrong guy and you are dead meat right in the streets of Centro. So please don't encourage others here to do this on a regular basis.

John.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1789918]Girl with big breasts approached her while she was crossing a street towards the metro line in el centro the prada station area night time!

Told me she is not a working girl. LOL I told her I'm not looking for working girls. Just a semi who didn't expect a foreigner proposition her but was happy I was there to offer her a safer private apartment instead of he shitty hotels in the area. Told her my place is just 10 min away. In reality it was 30 min. We got to my apartment in el centro she obliged and took a good shower came out and gave a sweet GFE. I am not a fan of anal. But after the first shot I couldn't nut doing her normal. So I proded her and she initially resisted and explained she never did it not even with her BF. She looked scared.

I told her no worries I know how to ease it in with a lubricant. . she asked me what is a lubricant. . lmao. . I showed her and put a bit on her fingers she relaxed abit. Well, she was definitely a virgin there! I admit she was in pain and the perverted S&M in me woke up and didn't stop drilling her till I nutted deep in that tight hole. She took it as a champ for a first timer.

Was happy when I gave her 50 k cop and never complained. Future repeat for sure.

The other girl is a kripa smoker I knew from before. Here she is talking to her friend from my place after we did not deed. GFE minus oral. She was happy with 30 k cop. I eventually hooked up with her close friend who I posted below who is by far one of my best GFE.

You need to learn spanish. Looks don't mater and age doesn't mater. YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO CONVERSATE IN ESPANOL.

SO stop being lazy and learn spanish so you can approach any girl in the streets and have great experiences and not waist money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1789359]Paying $400,000 and up is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]5 Pages of dudes bickering like bitches about how to pay a chica. How about this? Mind your own bushiness!

I'm in the "Pay more To Inusre Propt / propper Service T. I. P. S) If I'm in Vegas I already paid X to the door guy, why to the VIP host, K lost in the casino, so why am I going to be cheap with the girl serving me drinks? You flew to Mede to cheap the fuck out? If you have to watch EVERY dollar then maybe you should stay home and save up.

Like John (normal or Gualt) said I'm not going to haggle a girl over $33 if I know her, like, her and she's cool with what I like, 100/100 she'll drop some cheap fuck and come running to me for a chill GFE.

Some guys don't like to pay up. Fine. Live and Let Live. I have a few girls take screen caps and show them to me and we have a good laugh. $125 mil para dos horas de sexo en apartamento. No. And the guy asks why! Hahahhahaha.

Again playing off John if you think every girl deserves the same rate as a casa girl you're nuts. There is a difference and it is reflective in price. Not to say there is nothing wrong with casa girls or paying less. It is if you want a steak don't think that McDonals rates will get it down.

Ok so get ready for this Cheap Charlies and Big Poppas. Several FB girls have quoted me 300-400 mil for one hour! This! This right here! Is something to ***** and beef about! Not Well I only pay going rate of $200-$250 mil for TLN she wanted $300 ect. Flexibility is one of the keys to being a better person and having a more chill and relaxed life. If the $18 matter to you and you're on a fixed income just stick to casas and leave the GFE alone or find a new pool to swim in.

It's all out there you just have to go and get it. Like Brazillsoccer01. He doing the damn thing on his terms so big ups to him and to John.

All this bitching about the next man needs to be left alone.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1788848]Had my best trip of this year to Medellin. Arrived late (on Jet Blue - 1 hour late) on Wednesday night...[/QUOTE]Thank you for the trip report and I know you might want to keep a few names safe in your files but if a few are mansion girls let the good reports out. It'll help them and us.

[QUOTE=Bejaco42;1788882]I know a masajista name Olga but, can't get in touch with her. Does anyone know of a masajista in Medellin. That gives a good massage and happy ending?[/QUOTE]If you're staying at the M or see ask for Aleja, she used to work in the Spa / shop thing. Sweet girl, went to school for massage, and please tip her well.

I've been doing shit like that all over Latin America and Europe for 43 years now and I ain't dead yet. But I don't lie to them about how far away my place is, and don't usually bring them to my apartment the first time I meet them. I certainly have on occasion though. It's all about the vibe. You got to remember, if they have a jealous BF, they know he is going to beat the shit out them before he kills you, so they are careful too!

Now that the discussion on money has taken its course, can we share in a discussion on the proper attire to be worn in Medellin, like what to wear out at night, if shorts and flip flops are acceptable, and t-shirts and Hawaiian style shirts?

Maybe John can help out with my question since he is so irresistible that the girls flock to him based on his post yesterday. He must be doing something right, or he has that special SoCal charm that sweeps them off there feet.

Hi guys,

I will going to Medellin in a couple of weeks with buddies. One is Chinese and the other is Moroccan. I heard the girls me selling charge more and will not be GFE if you are Chinese. Is that true?

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1790025]I've been doing shit like that all over Latin America and Europe for 43 years now and I ain't dead yet. But I don't lie to them about how far away my place is, and don't usually bring them to my apartment the first time I meet them. I certainly have on occasion though. It's all about the vibe. You got to remember, if they have a jealous BF, they know he is going to beat the shit out them before he kills you, so they are careful too![/QUOTE]I've been bring them back for quite some time with never a thought about a jealous boyfriend but agree about going with the vibe you get, and just as often or more just get the number and follow up in a day or two. My take on the Colombian guys is they are so much more advanced then the American men when it comes to jealousy over the lesser life form called a mujer. The American men usually put them on a pedestal because of all the reasons we already know! Night tour last night and kind of a slow night talent wise but I always get a charge out of the Salsa Club we stop by for 5 or 6 songs with that live 8 piece band just letting it fly!

Let me Know if you want to ride out with Ericka below?

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.

John,

With all due respect, you claim your Spanish is so good, but awhile back I called you out when you made a very rookie mistake of thinking 500 millions was actually 500 mil pesos. You never responded when I corrected you on this. Anyone who is fluent in Spanish would know the difference between millions de pesos why mil pesos. Is your Spanish actually as good as you claim?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=John;1789981]Good Job really Kudos. Problem is this shit will take lots of time and you will get lucky few and far between. By the way this same thing you can do where you live as well. What you got is poor girl who was not looking for any work and you took her for a nice ride. I have friends who come to Medellin and their interest is never to pay the girls. It's different that I call those same friends the lowest of the low because they lie to the girls as they tell girls they are looking for Girl friends in Medellin, but in your case you did pay her so you did not lie to her.

As per speaking Spanish I fully agree that once you speak spanish fluently your experience with a girl goes ten times better. My spanish is fluent but bro to each his own and most of the mongers that come to medellin only go there for a week and I am sure you will agree that good looking girls like this when you approach them could be a dangerous proposition in Colombia as well. You mess with the girl friend of the wrong guy and you are dead meat right in the streets of Centro. So please don't encourage others here to do this on a regular basis.

John.[/QUOTE]

My Spanish is fluent enough that I just negotiated a real estate property purchase in Colombia about 3 weeks ago.

I think if I didn't have command enough over spanish I would not have been able to do so.

John.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1790209]John,

With all due respect, you claim your Spanish is so good, but awhile back I called you out when you made a very rookie mistake of thinking 500 millions was actually 500 mil pesos. You never responded when I corrected you on this. Anyone who is fluent in Spanish would know the difference between millions de pesos why mil pesos. Is your Spanish actually as good as you claim?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleMonger;1790093]Hi guys,

I will going to Medellin in a couple of weeks with buddies. One is Chinese and the other is Moroccan. I heard the girls me selling charge more and will not be GFE if you are Chinese. Is that true?[/QUOTE]No, but you would have to know what the regular prices are. For example, at casas, there is a menu that details the price structure based on minutes (at least at New Life). For freelancers, FB's, etc. Price will always vary. It could be 100 k, it could be 500 k.

There are a lot more Asians in MDE than when I first visited in 2008, I saw at least 6 at La Isla, and another 4 at my hotel.

[QUOTE=John;1790215]My Spanish is fluent enough that I just negotiated a real estate property purchase in Colombia about 3 weeks ago.

I think if I didn't have command enough over spanish I would not have been able to do so.

John.[/QUOTE]Wow John. Not only are you the Chinese Errol Flynn and Cristopher Colombua discovering every hot girl, but now you are the Asian Dinald Trump making real estate deals? Wow! Super Awesome guy!

[QUOTE=John;1790215]My Spanish is fluent enough that I just negotiated a real estate property purchase in Colombia about 3 weeks ago.

I think if I didn't have command enough over spanish I would not have been able to do so.

John.[/QUOTE]But the way women flock to you, based on your post yesterday, aren't you like the 2nd coming of God? With that being said I am sure speaking Spanish probably comes naturally to you as well correct?

Well I hope that the deal turned out favorable. Not knowing the difference between millions and thousands in Spanish could turn out tragic though when doing a real estate transaction in Colombia.

Best wishes.

[QUOTE=John;1790215]My Spanish is fluent enough that I just negotiated a real estate property purchase in Colombia about 3 weeks ago.

I think if I didn't have command enough over spanish I would not have been able to do so.

John.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HanshinBaka;1790229]Wow John. Not only are you the Chinese Errol Flynn and Cristopher Colombua discovering every hot girl, but now you are the Asian Dinald Trump making real estate deals? Wow! Super Awesome guy![/QUOTE]As I stated in my previous post he is the 2nd coming of God! You cannot compete with those guys from SoCal.

[QUOTE=UncleMonger;1790093]Hi guys,

I will going to Medellin in a couple of weeks with buddies. One is Chinese and the other is Moroccan. I heard the girls me selling charge more and will not be GFE if you are Chinese. Is that true?[/QUOTE]Those that were / are being charged more are getting hit up not because they are Chinese it is because they are rude, arrogant, and speak no Spanish. If you take out Chinese and put in any other nationality it would be valid as well.

I am Asian and have a two year degree / minor in Spanish, my buddy Guangzhou is Chinese, and another that in Philippine. We are all Asian. We all get TIP TOP girl and super GFE service. NOT in spite of being again and not because we are Asian. It is because we are nice, fun, and in general good dudes with solid to VERY good language skills.

I flamed a report of a Casa over charging Chinos on another board. With some digging and asking around, related stories the truth is that those Asian guys (Reported to me as Chinitos so it could be any flavor) were rude, grosero, cheap, didn't speak any Spanish, demanding. Ect.

See what I'm getting at? It's not the "Chino" part that is important here it's the Cool vs Rude, Cheap vs Generous, Polite vs Demanding, ect, ect.

You want GFE? Learn more Spanish than "How much?

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This endless debate about paying is just boring; it is everyone's money and decision. I will be in Medellin within 2 weeks and would like to know what are experiences with prepagos / escort girls. That's why I have become a member of this forum.

At least I am willing and able to help those who are in need of prime looking girls. Don't matter what the price that is irrelevant. I don't see any of the other guys wanting to help with the 50 mil girls ($17). They just post the photos of the girls. No names no number on the board is fine but they are not even Volunteering to give information on anything with Private messaging. Not even to other senior members. The purpose of this board is to help other new mongers and not to have rant and rave chat wars.

Every one is looking for different thing. I am not trying to help those who want to go to New Life. Certainly those I can help who are wanting to afford the price of Loutron and La Isla girls. I have already helped Dollar Bill in the last 2 days and one other gentleman who asked for references. I certainly don't need any money or stupid guidance about 500 million pesos or 500 mil which ever you want to say it. We all get the point. If some one is going to act stupid I am not going to explain to him anything.

Bottom line, those of you who find good looking less expensive girls how many of you are willing to share info on the specific names and numbers of the girls please come forward and post photos here on the board. I am sure the girl will appreciate your help and we all can benefit. When I help some one on the board I make it clear that they are not going to pay any more than what I pay the girls. Every one appreciates good intel.

If you are not willing to share information than I suggest stop the BS. Let others help who are willing to help. I had given up helping people before because of same pricing police. This board has given so much information over the years to me. I certainly will not back down helping those who are looking for what I can help with.

So friends. I am not going to help anyone who has few posts either. I want to make sure that a member has helped others before and written good information on this board over the years. No matter which part of the world they have posted as long as you have solid posts on the board I can and will help them.

John.

Guys,

I am not sharing contact info. I don't ask for contact info of girls and never will. Anything else I'm happy to share with pleasure.

And I already explained how I did it. Quit the excuses and try it for yourself or just do what you do everytime you monger in medellin.

Some guy asked me in a pm what chances he had based on his age. But I just posted about how age and looks don't matter. . so please stop being lazy and read!

Yes my MO takes time for sure and yes these Paisas are the most capricious women I've ever seen in my life. But you get used to it and you begin refining the process till it tilts in your favor. Nothing I like more than walking the Centro looking for the next chica.

And this fear mongering doesn't work here. Colombian men are relaxed and don't have sexual tension like American and European men. So no I'm not worried about a jealous BF cause he is banging 2, 3 other hot young chicks. I'm the one who is jealous and need to catch up to them. LOL.

Who is fooling and lying to paisas! Maybe cubans, dominicans and other parts of Colombia especially baranquilla can be fooled but not medellin my friend. The great majority of them are happy with their lives and never want to resettle somewhere else. Trust me when it comes to paisas vs gringos they got the upper hand so far especially when I read some of the reports here. So leave your touchy feeling behind with your country.

If you feel generous and sad for the poverty then donate that money to charities who are better suited for it. Not to professional prepagos!

ONE LAST THING: for every girl I got there are five to 7 that went nowhere.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1790253]Those that were / are being charged more are getting hit up not because they are Chinese it is because they are rude, arrogant, and speak no Spanish. If you take out Chinese and put in any other nationality it would be valid as well.

I am Asian and have a two year degree / minor in Spanish, my buddy Guangzhou is Chinese, and another that in Philippine. We are all Asian. We all get TIP TOP girl and super GFE service. NOT in spite of being again and not because we are Asian. It is because we are nice, fun, and in general good dudes with solid to VERY good language skills.

I flamed a report of a Casa over charging Chinos on another board. With some digging and asking around, related stories the truth is that those Asian guys (Reported to me as Chinitos so it could be any flavor) were rude, grosero, cheap, didn't speak any Spanish, demanding. Ect.

See what I'm getting at? It's not the "Chino" part that is important here it's the Cool vs Rude, Cheap vs Generous, Polite vs Demanding, ect, ect.

You want GFE? Learn more Spanish than "How much?[/QUOTE]Well spoken Slam, It doesn't matter where you come from, it matters if you can walk, smile, and fuck. That's all the lady needs from you to collect her fee (w / smile).

The other guys who love the sport and spend some time getting good at it, well, the Colombians want more then money from them.

I just spent a quality month in Thailand and the PI. Now I'm looking forward to a week in Medellin, really looking forward to it.

A few current trip reports would be timely for me. I'm a Mansion guy though so maybe not much here for me.

Best to the ones that try.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1790253]Those that were / are being charged more are getting hit up not because they are Chinese it is because they are rude, arrogant, and speak no Spanish. If you take out Chinese and put in any other nationality it would be valid as well.

I am Asian and have a two year degree / minor in Spanish, my buddy Guangzhou is Chinese, and another that in Philippine. We are all Asian. We all get TIP TOP girl and super GFE service. NOT in spite of being again and not because we are Asian. It is because we are nice, fun, and in general good dudes with solid to VERY good language skills.

I flamed a report of a Casa over charging Chinos on another board. With some digging and asking around, related stories the truth is that those Asian guys (Reported to me as Chinitos so it could be any flavor) were rude, grosero, cheap, didn't speak any Spanish, demanding. Ect.

See what I'm getting at? It's not the "Chino" part that is important here it's the Cool vs Rude, Cheap vs Generous, Polite vs Demanding, ect, ect.

You want GFE? Learn more Spanish than "How much?[/QUOTE]I have a student friend in Bogota 20 years old, excellent in bed, I mean world class BBBJ, sex and very uninhibited, she hangs with me for hours, sometimes we go out to Andres DC for dinner ect. Did I mention she has great body and cute as hell? Anyway I give her 150 k for taxi because she lives 40 min. Away. Ok long story short, we were out having a bottle of wine one night and she confessed to me she has one other 'friend' a Chinese guy and he gives her 1 million pesos when she sees him. She said he's very nice guy but eluded to me he is a bit of a pendejo. While I believe generalizations are unfair and usually wrong, draw your own conclusions.

#1) I never ask a prostitute "how much? Like some clueless fuck- It is my job to do the research on boards like this or just ask around what the the "base rate" is for that particular venue. Some venues like the centro casas, Fase II, ect. Have base prices pretty much fixed in stone for a set amount of time- most venues do not, but there is still a way to determine what the "going rate" is for an hour of fun no matter where you are on this planet.

#2) The first number my prospect hears is 1. 5 x the "going rate" My time is valuable and my chee even more valuable. If I am going to spend time with a new novia, tilac or honeyko I want that to be memorable. Basic service does not cut it for me. There are certain things I desire and certain things / attitude that are absolutely necessary for me to even get it up. This is not my thing, but I think this illustrates the point: "If I truly want a mansion girl to rim me and stick her tongue 2 inches up my ass- I will probably be very disappointed when in the room she refuses to do this for the standard 150.000 cop. ".

#3) I then clearly explain what I looking for and need from her- Let us continue with the Mansion example. Most would accept here that the rate for basic service from a mansion gal is 150,000 cop / HR. For me I would probably stipulate 2 hrs, kisses, BBBJ-CIM, multiple boinks if time allows. I am pretty good at laying out my desires in a teasing and playful manner-- but she gets the idea of what I am looking for. I never want to hear the words "No Baby" come out of her mouth. It is my job to make sure there are no bad surprises. If your Spanish, Thai or Tagalog is not good enough then invest in a smartphone, load google translate and have your desires clearly stated / stored for reference.

#4) I TIP in advance to ensure good service, not to reward them for the grade of service they just gave me--FUTURE. - When I find a stunner who plays the game I like I make sure she is happy with the compensation. I want her to remember me and be put on her short list of guys she wants to see again--period. Even in a prepay casa I will put the 20,000 cop tip on the nightstand in advance: "Esto es tuyo si tengo una sonrisa en una hora .."--- now it is her job to make sure I have a smile. I will remind her that when she breaks that condom out for the BJ-- I will point to the tip sitting there and shake my head "no",,,usually she will nod and proceed.

There are many ways to play and pay this game. No one person is correct. The 1.5x base rate payment for what I consider 2x service delivers me "VALUE". Some here will say I am crazy to pay 50% too much. I have learned that too often when I go for base rate I have unpleasant experiences. I have almost all good experiences now so I will keep this MO. (Method of Operation).

The last few days this board has had some lively discussion and some flaming I feel is uncalled for. I hope all will continue to post (ie: $Bill and John). Some of the comments towards them would probably cause me to DC posting, but I have a fairly thick skin. I hope they do too. Over the years I have met many members of this board and other boards who's in person gentle personality does not match their flaming board persona. I do not know why internet anonymity brings out such bad manners in some. Let us all remember that we who play this game have so much more in common than we do with all those average Joes out there who do not have a clue what this world has to offer or with those who would condemn us all for our actions. Let us pool our resources and not bicker.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1790426]#1) #4) I TIP in advance to ensure good service, not to reward them for the grade of service they just gave me--FUTURE. - When I find a stunner who plays the game I like I make sure she is happy with the compensation. I want her to remember me and be put on her short list of guys she wants to see again--period. Even in a prepay casa I will put the 20,000 cop tip on the nightstand in advance: "Esto es tuyo si tengo una sonrisa en una hora .."--- now it is her job to make sure I have a smile. I will remind her that when she breaks that condom out for the BJ-- I will point to the tip sitting there and shake my head "no",,,usually she will nod and proceed.[/QUOTE]A very different approach to tipping having the money upfront, I can see how it can reap good service, especially in the low end casa's where the tip may be approaching 50% or more of what their getting from the casa for the session.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1790234]Well I hope that the deal turned out favorable. Not knowing the difference between millions and thousands in Spanish could turn out tragic though when doing a real estate transaction in Colombia.

Best wishes.[/QUOTE]I am curious whether buying a potted plant qualifies as a real estate purchase in Colombia?

This encapsulates succinctly why I no longer share information about specific women unless I never plan to go back to a location again:

"The first number my prospect hears is 1. 5 x the 'going rate' ... I TIP in advance to ensure good service."

Hey guys, glad to hear members like Slam, Brasilsoccer chiming in. As a member, and if anyone wants to know, I'm living in MDE for 5 months this year and maybe another next year, I try to bring knowledge and give back. The constant "norm" for these trolls to come and blast contributors have me hesitant on posting my input mainly because I'm not here to help you feed what ever ego you need to make yourself the expert on these threads and I'm not scared of what ever blasts you give back. In fact, I really don't care. I'm here to help. So I reach out via PM to those who actually want advice and do contribute. My advice right now is to just appreciate the input members bring. Yes, it may not have worked for you but it may for others. As for the terms Cheap Bast*DS, how many of you guys have invested just a little more with some charm and can say after a few months these girls come over just to hang out and fun, all for just a 20 k cab fare. I bet very few have or has. I personally know a couple and myself included. And as I posted on a more gentleman like forum, two key factors (I'm sure there are others) is TIME and Charm. Right Slam? LOL. Good luck gentlemen.

Anyone been or tried to get info on this girl.

Juliana Elejalde. I seem to remember someone posting about her that she was available, CaptSparrow or someone.

[URL]http://chicas.qhubomedellin.com/2013/04/juliana-elejalde-gonzalez/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1789918]Girl with big breasts approached her while she was crossing a street towards the metro line in el centro the prada station area night time!

Told me she is not a working girl. LOL I told her I'm not looking for working girls. Just a semi who didn't expect a foreigner proposition her but was happy I was there to offer her a safer private apartment instead of he shitty hotels in the area. Told her my place is just 10 min away. In reality it was 30 min. We got to my apartment in el centro she obliged and took a good shower came out and gave a sweet GFE. I am not a fan of anal. But after the first shot I couldn't nut doing her normal. So I proded her and she initially resisted and explained she never did it not even with her BF. She looked scared.

I told her no worries I know how to ease it in with a lubricant. . she asked me what is a lubricant. . lmao. . I showed her and put a bit on her fingers she relaxed abit. Well, she was definitely a virgin there! I admit she was in pain and the perverted S&M in me woke up and didn't stop drilling her till I nutted deep in that tight hole. She took it as a champ for a first timer.

Was happy when I gave her 50 k cop and never complained. Future repeat for sure.

The other girl is a kripa smoker I knew from before. Here she is talking to her friend from my place after we did not deed. GFE minus oral. She was happy with 30 k cop. I eventually hooked up with her close friend who I posted below who is by far one of my best GFE.

You need to learn spanish. Looks don't mater and age doesn't mater. YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO CONVERSATE IN ESPANOL.

SO stop being lazy and learn spanish so you can approach any girl in the streets and have great experiences and not waist money.[/QUOTE]Very sweet looking girl she is! I will try your MO in central next visit. My espanol maybe muy malo but my wallet is large, jajajajaja.

The Tall Man.

I'm looking for a place close to either of the two nightlife hotspots; my main wants are a balcony with a nice view and chica-friendliness. I'd prefer a spacious 2 bedroom or two 1-bedrooms next to one another for my wing and I, and we're trying to stay within the 100-250/ nt range -- I know it's a tall order, but I'm hoping one of you gentlemen has something in mind that checks off at least some of those boxes. This will be my first time in Medellin, and after we spend our first night at the Mansion to get ourselves oriented, we're looking for a classy place of operations. If you have a recommendation AND you'll physically be in Medellin come Thanksgiving week, I'd be more than happy to compensate via buying the first couple of rounds!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1790496]Very sweet looking girl she is! I will try your MO in central next visit. My espanol maybe muy malo but my wallet is large, jajajajaja.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]The truth is your Spanish will be more of an issue than the size of your wallet. As Brazil Soccer stated very bluntly, you need to have Spanish speaking skills or you won't be able to do what he does!

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1790499]I'm looking for a place close to either of the two nightlife hotspots; my main wants are a balcony with a nice view and chica-friendliness. I'd prefer a spacious 2 bedroom or two 1-bedrooms next to one another for my wing and I, and we're trying to stay within the 100-250/ nt range -- I know it's a tall order, but I'm hoping one of you gentlemen has something in mind that checks off at least some of those boxes. This will be my first time in Medellin, and after we spend our first night at the Mansion to get ourselves oriented, we're looking for a classy place of operations. If you have a recommendation AND you'll physically be in Medellin come Thanksgiving week, I'd be more than happy to compensate via buying the first couple of rounds![/QUOTE]You might have wanted to read the Colombia Forum Index as that is what it is there for, and you would have seen an appropriate thread for your question titled "Medellin Hotels and Apartments".

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1790356]Guys,

And this fear mongering doesn't work here. Colombian men are relaxed and don't have sexual tension like American and European men. So no I'm not worried about a jealous BF cause he is banging 2, 3 other hot young chicks. I'm the one who is jealous and need to catch up to them. LOL.[/QUOTE]This is bad advice. It's not about sexual tension it's about machismo and the lack of regard for life. Colombian men are all about machismo and they've grown up in a period violence and death were everyday occurrences. So it's not fear mongering to say that they won't think twice about beating / killing your gringo ass. Anecdotal evidence. One macho asshole tried to fight me because I bought a few rounds for a group of friends, one of whom was his girlfriend. I live in Medellin 3-6 months out of the year.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1790176]
Let me Know if you want to ride out with Ericka below?

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.[/QUOTE]Pretty lame that your last few post are showing you having to resort to pimping in order to drum up business bro.

And before you try to say "The Mansion guys do it too!" Show me anywhere in any of their newsletters where they have said "come and book a room with us and I will personally set you up on a date with Kelly / Angela / Katherine / etc. ".

You definitely cannot point any posts from them on ISG saying anything remotely close to what you've been doing.

But I don't believe you are smart enough to fathom you'll eventually begin drawing the wrong kind of attention to yourself.

[i]"Medellin es una chimba!" - N.G.[/i]

[QUOTE=OldParr;1790509]You might have wanted to read the Colombia Forum Index as that is what it is there for, and you would have seen an appropriate thread for your question titled "Medellin Hotels and Apartments".[/QUOTE]Thanks; would you be able to suggest some places were I to ask the same question there?

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1790627]Thanks; would you be able to suggest some places were I to ask the same question there?[/QUOTE]He is saying go to the "Medellin Hotel and Apartments" thread and post the same questions you posted here in that forum. Perhaps spend some time reading the thread because you may find the answers to your questions. Grab a beer and dig in (reading)!

If you find a post where someone is talking about something close to what you are looking for, send them a PM and politely ask for further intel.

Pimping is illegal in Colombia. Guys here offering you the "favor" of a girls contact information are in all likelihood going to get their share of what you pay. Which is why they insist that paying 400-500 k is "normal. ".

[QUOTE=Combo;1790642]Pimping is illegal in Colombia. Guys here offering you the "favor" of a girls contact information are in all likelihood going to get their share of what you pay. Which is why they insist that paying 400-500 k is "normal. ".[/QUOTE]To each his own but I never brought into that concept. The last thing I want is another dude involved in my pussy chase. Touts, pimps, and escort services are for some guys but maybe I'm old fashioned but I like to pull my own pussy on my own terms. Learning the cultural ways and the language has always allowed me to avoid extra services by dudes but maybe that's not the new avenue for some guys. The internet has made things much easier and guys don't need to care about the cultural aspect but for me that's why I travel, being about a cultural experience.

I was broke in on the "old Sosua" in 2006 where girls didn't care about money, they just wanted a boyfriend (naturally the hook was a WU boyfriend) but they would stay with you for your whole vacation and you would have to give them money just to leave. They would invite you to the house for a home cooked meal and show off their gringo boyfriend, it was lovely.

My first experience in Medellin in 2011 was also similar to this. I dated Darly who several guys have reported about on this board (I posted pictures back then) and she was a real trooper. What attracted me to her was she didn't do condom blow jobs and she was all about MY time. She worked at San Diego and she would drop by everyday and spend from 2 pm-8 pm with me before work at San Diego. She would invite me to her home or we would just lay in bed between sessions and pizza listening to my neighbors music, good times. I would give her 140 k for the afternoon and she would go to work. I would do my usual rotation solo of hitting La Mayorista from 10 pm-11 pm and then hit Luna Luneras and then hit 53 avenida finishing from 2 am-4 am at San Diego. I would just scout places at night and slip my number to five girls and hope 3 would call the next day for an afternoon delight. Carolina was my favorite (anybody know what happened to her? But she was in high demand so she wasn't always open.

One time I was eating lunch at the mall and this beautiful girl was with her mom. As they posed for pictures with each other I offered to take pictures of them which started our conversation. The daughter invited me to their home for a meal the next day but I was on a low level pussy chase and passed but me and the daughter remained pen pals until she got married two years ago.

My point is that if you know the language and have some suave about yourself you don't need a pimp / service for girls in Medellin. I really don't post much nowadays because the board doesn't have much value to me but I've noticed the change. Guys want "easy" and "convenient" and I respect that but you are missing so much if you don't dive into the culture that you really take from what its about. For me its not about traveling for an easy fuck with a pretty girl (Thats easy), its about spending time and to know their culture and getting the respect because you gave a fuck to that.

Pimping is Illegal in Colombia and the way Colombia Jake advertising it can be construed as that. That is true. but IMHO. If you stay with him he can help you locate girls without any money going to him for girls services. I have no interest in business at Mansion or Colombia Jakes house, but either one is a very good start to mongering in Medellin.

Anyways I hope every one has a good time in Medellin. Reason I am willing to help people in Medellin who are willing to spend extra money is simple. I have gone through the horrors myself. It was in 2007 or 2008 October my fourth trip to Medellin. I was staying at Mansion. So one night I got really frustrated and asked Robert the owner of Mansion. Hey Robert please help me I am tired of this average looking girls that come to the Mansion. I see so many beautiful girls in Parque lleras. I mean I am willing to spend a little extra money. Robert at the time told me he can call in People who have so many girls that they can show me but the girls will charge 500 mil pesos and they will be nothing better but just Plastic bodies. I told Robert, bro I don't want plastic siliconas. I want beautiful natural looking girls. Well conversation ended that day. Next afternoon Robert brought in a person who showed me few girls photos almost all were plastic but I liked one girl who was very cute. Her name was Sara Gil. That agent said she will charge you 250 mil for 2 hrs session. I said hell yes I am ok with that. Sara Gil came and we became friends at the time. We later agreed to have a direct contact and Sara helped me out with friends of hers directly. She introduced me to her friend Luisa. I am still thankful to Robert for helping me at the time. It is different that I paid him back many times over. Robert has had 2 girl friends in the past amongst many of his favoritas that were introduced to him by me.

I am just posting photos of Sara Gil and her friend Luisa. Both of these girls are very high end working girls now with all Plastic work done. Pricing is all a matter of individual choice. I am just posting photos to show what Medellin can offer. Sara and Luisa are really hard to get to now but Photos are posted just as a reference.

By the way how convenient of people just to come out I am not sharing numbers where it is easy for them just to boast about having fun for 50 mil pesos. What good are you doing by suggesting people to go to Centro and look for girls that is suicide in the longer run in Medellin. This is Colombia after all people you need to take care. Medellin is generally very safe until you fuck with the wrong people.

John.

[QUOTE=Combo;1790642]Pimping is illegal in Colombia. Guys here offering you the "favor" of a girls contact information are in all likelihood going to get their share of what you pay. Which is why they insist that paying 400-500 k is "normal. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1790621]Pretty lame that your last few post are showing you having to resort to pimping in order to drum up business bro.

And before you try to say "The Mansion guys do it too!" Show me anywhere in any of their newsletters where they have said "come and book a room with us and I will personally set you up on a date with Kelly / Angela / Katherine / etc. ".

You definitely cannot point any posts from them on ISG saying anything remotely close to what you've been doing.

But I don't believe you are smart enough to fathom you'll eventually begin drawing the wrong kind of attention to yourself.

[i]"Medellin es una chimba!" - N.G.[/i][/QUOTE]First of all I'm on a board with guys who are interested in no matter how you market it whether its in house at the mansion or take out at my place. There's no posts that are remotely close to what I'm doing because no one's been smart enough to market this way until now give me some credit! Everyone knows its not pimping when I'm not taking a cut of the girls money. Its clearly stated if you rent a room here with me, I will be happy to introduce you to a girlfriend experience date and what happens between you two as far as money is between you both. The bottom line is its smart marketing and there is nothing illegal about it! I'm drawing the right kind of attention because my place has a steady flow of traffic, and the guys who stay here love it! I appreciate the mansion because a lot of my business comes when they are full, and I get the overflow! You may not like it, but that's the way I post with pretty girls pictured who what to meet nice men who want to enjoy an evening out together which they won't find anywhere else!

I wish the board had a bit more humor so this is my contribution today is below!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1790846]First of all I'm on a board with guys who are interested in no matter how you market it whether its in house at the mansion or take out at my place. There's no posts that are remotely close to what I'm doing because no one's been smart enough to market this way until now give me some credit! Everyone knows its not pimping when I'm not taking a cut of the girls money. Its clearly stated if you rent a room here with me, I will be happy to introduce you to a girlfriend experience date and what happens between you two as far as money is between you both. The bottom line is its smart marketing and there is nothing illegal about it! I'm drawing the right kind of attention because my place has a steady flow of traffic, and the guys who stay here love it! I appreciate the mansion because a lot of my business comes when they are full, and I get the overflow! You may not like it, but that's the way I post with pretty girls pictured who what to meet nice men who want to enjoy an evening out together which they won't find anywhere else!

I wish the board had a bit more humor so this is my contribution today is below!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake[/QUOTE]Don't see a problem here. Could be a great way for a newbee to hit the ground running. There is no such thing as too much information in this hobby. If the prices are high, don't use him. Never understood why some guys have a problem with someone posting information. Schilling, advertising, pimping whatever you want to call it, so what! If you don't need the service, read it and go on to something else. I'm not condoning or condemning here but I think we should allow anyone to post information on services without being attacked.

John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.

[QUOTE=John;1790763]Pimping is Illegal in Colombia and the way Colombia Jake advertising it can be construed as that. That is true. but IMHO. If you stay with him he can help you locate girls without any money going to him for girls services. I have no interest in business at Mansion or Colombia Jakes house, but either one is a very good start to mongering in Medellin.

Anyways I hope every one has a good time in Medellin. Reason I am willing to help people in Medellin who are willing to spend extra money is simple. I have gone through the horrors myself. It was in 2007 or 2008 October my fourth trip to Medellin. I was staying at Mansion. So one night I got really frustrated and asked Robert the owner of Mansion. Hey Robert please help me I am tired of this average looking girls that come to the Mansion. I see so many beautiful girls in Parque lleras. I mean I am willing to spend a little extra money. Robert at the time told me he can call in People who have so many girls that they can show me but the girls will charge 500 mil pesos and they will be nothing better but just Plastic bodies. I told Robert, bro I don't want plastic siliconas. I want beautiful natural looking girls. Well conversation ended that day. Next afternoon Robert brought in a person who showed me few girls photos almost all were plastic but I liked one girl who was very cute. Her name was Sara Gil. That agent said she will charge you 250 mil for 2 hrs session. I said hell yes I am ok with that. Sara Gil came and we became friends at the time. We later agreed to have a direct contact and Sara helped me out with friends of hers directly. She introduced me to her friend Luisa. I am still thankful to Robert for helping me at the time. It is different that I paid him back many times over. Robert has had 2 girl friends in the past amongst many of his favoritas that were introduced to him by me..[/QUOTE][blue][Forum Complaint deleted by Admin][/blue] Jonh helped me out via FB back in 10/11? My first few trips to mede 07 I was just about non pros, I had the time to date and the language skills. But as we get older and more important at work, family stuff, my trips went from Months to weeks, to now days.

He gave me FB links, numbers, etc. Dude prob does not remember but I still chat with his buddies from time to time.

Can John come off as a jerk? Hellz yes! Hahaaha. But once again he ain't a liar and has helped more than one dude here with GOOD girl hook ups. Here is the funny part. On ISG and other boards guys always ask. Where do I find the model /10's / Top Shelf Pussy? When a guy actually has an answer ya'll jump down his throat?

You think these girls the News caster, presentations, beauty queens, are going to cool with 125 mil para dos horas de sexo in mi apartment? NOPE! They already make that so they don't need your chichipto offer. A broke college girl or chica from the barrio might but not the model top shelf girls.

Shit even normal girls in clubs and FB are asking 200 mil +.

The level of old fart hater gringo here is off the charts!! What is so hard to believe? A top top top shelf girl wants 400 mil + for a ST date? She gets that in Bogota, Panama, China, Ect ect. IF she feels her pussy is worth that then that is the price she going to ask.

You don't have to pay if you don't want. But if you want that top shelf pussy it going to cost you.

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[QUOTE=Combo;1790968]John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=John;1789809]Yami is a sweet heart. Nothing against her. I was the first one to fly her to Cuba. Her first trip overseas. Yami is so sweet that an extra $30 to her from me is just a gift I will pay her that much extra for all night any given day for specific services that I am looking for which you may or may not be getting from most of the girls. So Yes you can offer Vane or any of the girls that I pay 400 mil all night 300 mil but then most likely you will get 2 shots from them. Extra $33 gives me that and something more which I am not discussing here.

I don't want the girl to haggle with me in the night for an extra 100 mil. Rather just pay the girl that extra and tell her what I want in advance. No bullshit kind of person I am..[/QUOTE]Are you just reading bits and pieces of the posts here on the Medellin thread? He is the Rico Suave, Don Juan of the girls who reside in Medellin, despite being in his last 50's or early 60's with a SoCal attitude. I do not think he gets any kickbacks, just likes to feed his massive ego. He is a friend of Boyds from the Mansion Group or whatever it is called these days I am told. He is a good guy just very egoistical.

John is a good guy, and has good info. He doesn't push anyone to see anyone specific. So I don't think he is pimping.

Plus I think most guys max for TLN is 300.

So I been to Del Rey Costa Rica and now will be going Medellin next month, Nov.

My type is the pornstar Esperanza Gomez type girls. Or model types.

Well they are available in Medellin, but from research seems like the cost for Short Time can be like.

$170 USD to $250 USD and TLN, who knows.

Without knowing how their performance is, I think to get the most out of my money is go with some pretty girls at some decent prices and that is enough to.

Enjoy Medellin and realize for the quality and price it's much better than Del Rey, Costa Rica.

Some model girls:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/caritovelezarango?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=589610618[/URL]

[QUOTE=Combo;1790968]John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

Hope that this trip report will be helpful to anyone who is thinking about coming to MDE. I've been to Costa Rica 35 plus times and this is my 3rd trip to MDE. Obviously, I'm still a rookie here and staying in M-2.

A newbie friend and I arrived on Wednesday on Spirit. Hotel M had their driver, Juan, waiting for us with a sign with my first name and last initial on it. The cambio on the arrival level of the airport were selling 2600 pesos per dollar. We went upstairs and got 2,780 pesos per dollar from another cambio. Go figure. To all the veterans, I know that one can get a better exchange rate from an ATM but I consciously chose to buy a couple of hundred dollars worth of pesos so that I wouldn't have to go looking for an ATM upon arrival at the hotel.

I still like the Mansion better than the Castillo. No matter what advantages people mention about the Castillo, ie, its more quiet and easy to sleep here, that hill from the Mansion up to the Castillo is a challenge. I'm 61 and in pretty good shape. Getting winded isn't so much of a problem, but breaking a sweat walking up that mother fucking hill sucks.

Anyway, as soon as we showed up at the pool at the Mansion, I lad eyes on Bella Katerine, a tall black girl with long straight hair midway down her back. Great teeth, great smile, great attitude. What a mistake!

Since Bella on Wednesday, the next two, Angie on Wednesday night, and Jessica on Thursday afternoon, were somewhat of a let down. Bella says she's an English major at the University and said she was interested in a TLN. Unfortunately, Bella addressed all of my initial and immediate needs in a relatively brief amount of time. Wow!

After that session, my buddy and I headed down to Restaurante La Basilica in Parque LLeras. This exchange rate is almost too good to be true. The most expensive thing on the menu, that which I ordered, was about $13. A huge plate filled with steak, crispy pork, sausage, French fries and other stuff that I can't remember. I could only eat about 1/3 of it.

After dinner, we walked around the adjoining streets. I was really surprised at how many people were out on a Wednesday night. Upon strolling through the park itself across from La Basilica, we were approached by a cute 21 year old. Had Bella not already drained me, I would have had some mild interest. Instead, we headed back to Mansion where I met Angie.

Angie is a tiny little girl who says that she works in a spa. She has short frosted hair and is really sweet. She gave me a good massage and the rest of the time was pretty good too. But not like Bella!

I had big plans for doing some touristy things on Thursday but my buddy was on his 2nd day with Claudia. I thinks she said she was like 35 years old or something. She looked pretty good to me as well but not enough for more than one experience. I can't even remember what I did for most of yesterday until I went back to the Mansion late yesterday afternoon. At that point, I saw Luna. Wow! What a body! What a hot piece of ass! It was late afternoon and I'd been walking up and down that fucking hill all day and really wanted a shower. I figured if Luna was still there when I got back, I might take her for a spin.

When I got back, there she was. I suppose it was obvious to her that I was interested. Before I knew it, this 24 year old bombshell was kissing me and rubbing me and I was helpless. After hanging around La Cueva for a couple of hours, we headed back to the Castillo, in a taxi of course. Sorry, Bella. You fell to #2.

Luna says she never goes to a gym, but I swear you could bounce a ping pong ball off of her tiny, tight waist. Feigning an interest in pleasing her, I gave her a back massage. Although she seemed to enjoy the back rub, I loved expanding my reach from her shoulders to the backs of her knees. She has a perfect tight and shapely ass.

The BBBJ was amazing. While I'm laying back and occasionally making eye contact with her as I leaned forward to watch, I wondered, "is this really happening"? During the main event, she did something that I had never experienced before. When she sensed that I was ready to explode, she reached up with her hand and covered my mouth and squeezed my nostrils as if to indicate that she was close too and wasn't ready for me to pop. What a sensation! Boyah!

This may be difficult to believe, but when I woke up today, I had no interest in sex. My buddy and I took the Turibus tour from Parque Poblado around Medellin. When the bus stopped at Parque Berrio, I knew that we were fairly close to New Life so I suggested that we check it out before we got back on this Hop On, Hop Off tour. By the way, the ticket is 35,000 pesos, about $11, and is valid for 24 hours.

After walking for a while, we hailed down a cab for the rest of the trip to New Life. I don't think either one of us were terribly motivated, but nonetheless sat there while the 8 or so candidates came by and introduced themselves. Melanie was the only one among them that interested me. The rest of them were a little bigger than I care for. However, Luna and her smother technique had given me at least an 18 hour fix. We headed back to Parque Berrio, hopped on the Turibus and finished the tour. Actually, when I recognized the Casino from the bus across the street from the Ktronics building that sits in front of the Mansion, and since we were stuck in afternoon traffic, I told my buddy, fuck it, let's get off and walk.

I took him through the Oviedo Mall and then we headed back up to the Mansion. I was surprised by how many girls were already out by the pool at 4:00 pm. Headed back up that fucking hill to Castillo for a shower and a little break before heading back down to the Mansion.

Tomorrow, we plan to jump on the Metro Linea A, head up to Acevedo station, get on the metro cables, and head up to Santa Helena. I did that by myself a year and half ago and had a blast. I've never met the author and have no financial interest in his book, but if you've never been to MDE, I recommend a book by Jaime Johnson called Medellin and Beyond. One can only engage in mongering for so long. This book is full of other things to do while you're here.

I will add to this trip report tomorrow!

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1790999]John is a good guy, and has good info. He doesn't push anyone to see anyone specific. So I don't think he is pimping.

Plus I think most guys max for TLN is 300.

So I been to Del Rey Costa Rica and now will be going Medellin next month, Nov.

My type is the pornstar Esperanza Gomez type girls. Or model types.

Well they are available in Medellin, but from research seems like the cost for Short Time can be like.

$170 USD to $250 USD and TLN, who knows.

Without knowing how their performance is, I think to get the most out of my money is go with some pretty girls at some decent prices and that is enough to.

Enjoy Medellin and realize for the quality and price it's much better than Del Rey, Costa Rica.

Some model girls:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/caritovelezarango?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=589610618[/URL][/QUOTE]Dude the Esperanza Gomez types are all OVER the fucking place. Almost too much it seems! It really doesn't make any sense at all. You almost get sick of them and try to find something "todo naturale" Seriously I think everytime I went to Energy there was at least always two of those types there.

I'll tell you this, that lust for the "model type" is there. However as you experience more and more you find that most of them don't really have that great chemistry you really want. You find that the person they are most attarcted to is themselfs.

Once you go thru the phase of the "perfect 10" models, do yourself a favor and get a Solid 7 or a soft 8. If you guys connect and the vibe is right, you can have someone who will make you feel like they REALLY love you. Careful becase its like Oclus riff for your big stiff!!

Good luck homie.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1791229]Dude the Esperanza Gomez types are all OVER the fucking place. Almost too much it seems!

I'll tell you this, that lust for the "model type" is there. However as you experience more and more you find that most of them don't really have that great chemistry you really want. You find that the person they are most attarcted to is themselfs.

Once you go thru the phase of the "perfect 10" models, do yourself a favor and get a Solid 7 or a soft 8. If you guys connect and the vibe is right, you can have someone who will make you feel like they REALLY love you. Careful becase its like Oclus riff for your big stiff!!

Good luck homie.[/QUOTE]Great post Sir. That average looking girl in the corner that nobody pays attention to will probably be more appreciative and giving to your experience. Attitude tops looks nowadays for me. The key is to put them on your time, if they are patient and act like they are just happy to be with you then you probably have a winner. If she is rushing, always on the phone or asking you to buy shit pass on it.

Good of you to mention this. I am not pushing you to ask information from me. I may be egoistical yes that is for sure possible, but I ain't cheap to ask girls for kick backs. Those of you don't know me please stop commenting all this BS as you have no basis for this. I have no intention of justifying my help to other mongers.

On a side note. I would like to see some other members here you are willing to share some good intel. Please just stop talking all the Bullshit and come up front and let other board member benefit from your own finds. All those guys who believe they have it all good and pay less for good looking girls I would like to see what you are willing to help others with. You are just talking the talk. No body here wants to help others but just say oh prices are 100 mil pesos for 1 to 2 HR or even less. Stop talking and help others.

John.

[QUOTE=Combo;1790968]John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1790968]John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.[/QUOTE]I think you owe John an apology. John and my paths have crossed a number of times. We do not know each other well, but I can assure you he is not taking any cut from his referrals.

What he does probably get for his efforts to help is an uncuantifiable improved bond with his main squeezes and other mongers. KARMA "what goes around, comes around" Tit for Tat-- Ithink you get the idea.

Others have spoke out in John's defense. Add me to the list also.

[QUOTE=Combo;1790968]John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.[/QUOTE]I think you owe John an apology. John and my paths have crossed a number of times. We do not know each other well, but I can assure you he is not taking any cut from his referrals.

I suspect the chicas he will provide info on he has already become somewhat tired of. ("maybe she will appreciate his efforts and introduce him to her younger cousin new to the game"-- good strategy.) SOooooo--What he does probably get for his efforts to help is an uncuantifiable improved bond with his main squeezes and other mongers. KARMA "what goes around, comes around" Tit for Tat-- I think you get the idea.

Others have spoke out in John's defense. Add me to the list also.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1791333]I think you owe John an apology. John and my paths have crossed a number of times. We do not know each other well, but I can assure you he is not taking any cut from his referrals.

I suspect the chicas he will provide info on he has already become somewhat tired of. ("maybe she will appreciate his efforts and introduce him to her younger cousin new to the game"-- good strategy.) SOooooo--What he does probably get for his efforts to help is an uncuantifiable improved bond with his main squeezes and other mongers. KARMA "what goes around, comes around" Tit for Tat-- I think you get the idea.

Others have spoke out in John's defense. Add me to the list also.[/QUOTE]John has connected me with a few VERY beautiful sweet young ladies. The women I have been seeing want 200 K but that is for 2 hours in my apartment where they have been 100% GFE.

I went to Abydos a few times and it costs 150 K for 1 hour + taxis. The sex at Abydos with Sophia was fantastic and although she is very friendly, it was nothing like having friends of John in my apartment where we can have a drink, get to know each other and then it goes from there.

Those of us that are visiting this city are not going to ruin the market. There are just too many girls here that need cash.

How many of us have gone to a casino and lost much more than 200 K in way less time and did not ever get the memories that these girls give us. It might be some extra money compared to the SW or chicas de Mayorista but isn't it worth it getting a session that takes your breath away and you get to keep those memories with you for long after you leave here?

John. I have thanked you privately many times for your help but I am here to thank you publicly.

$Bill.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1791281]Great post Sir. That average looking girl in the corner that nobody pays attention to will probably be more appreciative and giving to your experience. Attitude tops looks nowadays for me. The key is to put them on your time, if they are patient and act like they are just happy to be with you then you probably have a winner.[/QUOTE]We call these chicas Sleepers. Mr. G caught a good one in Sosua last month.

IF you are running a business you are trying to make MONEY. Providing rooms, giving free info / advice, introducing clients to chicas for business / personal relations and a public or private advertisement of service is all apart of doing BUSINESS. Anyone who thinks its just for "the mongering brotherhood" is not paying attention to the Business cards. I wish Jake much success.

[QUOTE=Conflicted;1791010]The cambio on the arrival level of the airport were selling 2600 pesos per dollar. We went upstairs and got 2,780 pesos per dollar from another cambio. Go figure. To all the veterans, I know that one can get a better exchange rate from an ATM but I consciously chose to buy a couple of hundred dollars worth of pesos so that I wouldn't have to go looking for an ATM upon arrival at the hotel.
[/QUOTE]Why not take advantage of the ATM in the airport? :D

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1791506]Why not take advantage of the ATM in the airport? :D[/QUOTE]I wasn't that smart this time. Thanks for the "heads up" for my next trip.

After a so-so experience with Paola, another Mansion chica who claims to be a 20 year old nursing student (black, great bolt ONS), we called it an early night and planned for a non-mongering trip today.

After breakfast, we headed out, caught a taxi to Estacion Poblado Metro Station, took the metro to Acevedo, transferred to the metrocables up to Santo Domingo, and then on the ARVI metrocables up to Santa Elena. After sampling some great street food, papa rellenos and arepa con queso with cafe con leche, we jumped on the free Chiva bus and went to Piedra Blanca park. Had nice conversation with a couple of different families and thoroughly enjoyed the day.

Stopped by the Mansion on the way back to Castillo and booked Alexandra and Olga for an early morning massage for tomorrow. Pool area was brimming with talent that was new to me. Robert and Boyd must book our guests in such a way as to have fresh faces almost every day.

Headed down to Patrick's Sports Bar in Parque LLeras and caught a little college football before those two sweet girls there told us that they had to stop serving alcohol due to the election tomorrow. Surely, La Cueva won't participate in that Colombian way of doing business!

I'm looking forward to another night in Paradise. With so many beautiful babes to choose from, so many wonderful and fun non-mongering activities to do, and such beautiful weather, I really don't understand why so many people use this forum for pissing, moaning, whining, and bitching. For anyone who is hesitant to ask questions for fear of ridicule from other members for not reading through thousands of pages of bullshit to find a few nuggets of information, feel free post any questions you have and I'll be happy to offer what I've learned in my limited experience.

By the way, notwithstanding the fucking hill, the Castillo is starting to grow on me. The staff is great and you really can get a good night's sleep up here. I guess I've learned over the last few days, that I can avoid the sweat I work up while walking up the hill for less than a two dollar cab ride. As I use to read in the posts from another member whose name I can not recall, "only good energy" my friends.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1791506]Why not take advantage of the ATM in the airport? :D[/QUOTE]There is a battery of ATM's in the lower level of the airport. It's OK- you won't get kidnapped!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1791461]IF you are running a business you are trying to make MONEY. Providing rooms, giving free info / advice, introducing clients to chicas for business / personal relations and a public or private advertisement of service is all apart of doing BUSINESS. Anyone who thinks its just for "the mongering brotherhood" is not paying attention to the Business cards. I wish Jake much success.[/QUOTE]Very true but then he should be posting on the appropriate thread which is dedicated to him, not spamming the Medellin thread promoting his business, as this thread is for trip reports and discussions.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1791461]IF you are running a business you are trying to make MONEY. Providing rooms, giving free info / advice, introducing clients to chicas for business / personal relations and a public or private advertisement of service is all apart of doing BUSINESS. [b]Anyone who thinks its just for "the mongering brotherhood" is not paying attention to the Business cards[/b]. I wish Jake much success.[/QUOTE]Reall pimp shit right there, LOL. Nice one GM.

[QUOTE=Conflicted;1791520]After a so-so experience with Paola, another Mansion chica who claims to be a 20 year old nursing student (black, great bolt ONS), we called it an early night and planned for a non-mongering trip today.

After breakfast, we headed out, caught a taxi to Estacion Poblado Metro Station, took the metro to Acevedo, transferred to the metrocables up to Santo Domingo, and then on the ARVI metrocables up to Santa Elena. After sampling some great street food, papa rellenos and arepa con queso with cafe con leche, we jumped on the free Chiva bus and went to Piedra Blanca park. Had nice conversation with a couple of different families and thoroughly enjoyed the day.

Stopped by the Mansion on the way back to Castillo and booked Alexandra and Olga for an early morning massage for tomorrow. Pool area was brimming with talent that was new to me. Robert and Boyd must book our guests in such a way as to have fresh faces almost every day.

Headed down to Patrick's Sports Bar in Parque LLeras and caught a little college football before those two sweet girls there told us that they had to stop serving alcohol due to the election tomorrow. Surely, La Cueva won't participate in that Colombian way of doing business!.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the solid info, sounds like you know what you're doing. It's good to hear about the talent at the mansion as I will be there later this year. As for the walk up the hill I don't give it any thought, it is what it is. It is a ***** though. The uphill March to a better life w / 2 pals.

Combo, I like your posts and complimented you in the past. I think you are a good guy and contribute to the board and forum. In this case though, you are clearly misunderstanding John. I know him personally and he is great guy. He is extremely helpful to other mongers. He does focus on quality and like me he does not mind paying. All he is saying is don't be cheap and expect high quality.

Sometimes posts come across brash and it is hard to judge a person by their posts.

Would you believe if I told you that Old Parr is a wonderful guy. He is super helpful and fun. I know that because I know him but you won't get that from his posts. Ha ha. (And he has sense of humor).

[QUOTE=Combo;1790968]John.

So you'd like to "help guys that are willing to spend a bit more money." That's awfully nice of you. And they should expect to pay 400-500 mil (or is it million?) for the privilege of meeting your acquaintances. How much of it do the girls give you?

I think any half-way intelligent board member can see that you are the one trying to pimp.

I'm not worried about Colombia Jake. He at least is selling rooms, which seems a good option for the first-time visitor that doesn't want to stay at the Mansion. Yeah, his posts get old, but he is running a legitimate business.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know if all bars, casas, MPs, clubs are closed today? It's Election Day, liquor sales stopped last night and is supposed to last until Monday morning from my understanding. Not sure if they would be closed or if it's just a slower Sunday than usual.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1791812]Combo, I like your posts and complimented you in the past. I think you are a good guy and contribute to the board and forum. In this case though, you are clearly misunderstanding John. I know him personally and he is great guy. He is extremely helpful to other mongers. He does focus on quality and like me he does not mind paying. All he is saying is don't be cheap and expect high quality.

Sometimes posts come across brash and it is hard to judge a person by their posts.

Would you believe if I told you that Old Parr is a wonderful guy. He is super helpful and fun. I know that because I know him but you won't get that from his posts. Ha ha. (And he has sense of humor).[/QUOTE]It's certainly possible I misunderstand him. I don't know him and he may be a hell of a good guy. My point is this: A guy comes on here and says he has special girls for us guys (that he doesn't even know). But we'll have to be real generous with these girls. What does a logical person think of this?

Again I could be totally mistaken.

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1791521]There is a battery of ATM's in the lower level of the airport. It's OK- you won't get kidnapped![/QUOTE]Where? When you walk out of the customs and then there is the waiting area and then the tigo wall, the snack stands and keep walking forward?

I get up to the snack shacks and go up stairs. The green ATM (forget the name) you can do 780 mil in one pop and they charge 8,400 so call it $3. I think the casa de cambio inside immigration and the one up stairs are usually are better than the ones in Mede but I don't like to waist the time in line (rare) or dealing with the guy. ATM for me as I usually have a date to keep.

I don't post much but I do agree with John. I know him personally as a true stand up guy and have certainly benefited from his camaraderie and friendship. I count him as a close friend and confidant. We have traveled together in Colombia and stayed together many times. MDE is what you make of it. I was introduced to Medellin via the ISG and then the Mansion where I met John. I decided that I wanted to go deeper than what the Mansion offers but I am grateful for the safety and familiarity that it offered me as a newbie. I have been seeing it totally differently though each trip / experience and it has rewarded me by my relationships with mongers, and also Colombians (both in USA as well as Colombia). If you wish to get a deep and fun experience you can follow some basic rules that I learned from John. First, learn some freaking Spanish! Its an incredibly easy language and there are so many resources to learn it from. Next, treat the girls with respect but also don't tolerate bullshit at all. At the first sign of drama or BS or anything weird, it is time for you to bail out. Pay her the taxi money and call another girl. It doesn't matter what time it is. There is always a nice hot girl who is willing to come over to replace the bullshit one you just sent packing. Next, be willing to pay for quality of girl and experience. Don't over pay but don't be cheap. I know for a FACT that John's referrals are just that. Referrals and the only thing expected in return is mutual respect and friendship. A 10 is going to cost more. That's a fact. But really. Who can even talk about cost when it comes to the small amount of money it costs to have a great time in MDE. Finally, respect your fellow monger and be willing to take and give advice, information, referrals etc. I have had some of the most incredible experiences in MDE, things that I couldn't even imagine, perhaps scarring me (in a good way) for life. I can anticipate a time in the future where the MDE that we know now may be a distant memory but I intend to enjoy it to the fullest now because it is a truly unusual and amazing place right now.

My two pesos. Stay horny brothers.

Sorry Slam, upper level. Midway between the International departures on the left (as you enter) and the Domistic departutes on the right-hand side. Sorry- there isn't much downstairs level Arrivals Gate.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1791876]Where? When you walk out of the customs and then there is the waiting area and then the tigo wall, the snack stands and keep walking forward?

I get up to the snack shacks and go up stairs. The green ATM (forget the name) you can do 780 mil in one pop and they charge 8,400 so call it $3. I think the casa de cambio inside immigration and the one up stairs are usually are better than the ones in Mede but I don't like to waist the time in line (rare) or dealing with the guy. ATM for me as I usually have a date to keep.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Conflicted;1791520]By the way, notwithstanding the fucking hill, the Castillo is starting to grow on me. The staff is great and you really can get a good night's sleep up here. I guess I've learned over the last few days, that I can avoid the sweat I work up while walking up the hill for less than a two dollar cab ride. As I use to read in the posts from another member whose name I can not recall, "only good energy" my friends.[/QUOTE]Just to confirm, is the Castillo = M2 of the mansion?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;1791949]Just to confirm, is the Castillo = M2 of the mansion?[/QUOTE]Yes it is. And think of how many calories you burn walking up that hill 2-3 times a day. And of course boning a couple Paisas. I can't think of a better exercise regimen.

[QUOTE=Combo;1791955]Yes it is. And think of how many calories you burn walking up that hill 2-3 times a day. And of course boning a couple Paisas. I can't think of a better exercise regimen.[/QUOTE]Not a bad idea since the regional cuisine is not exactly low calorie! Wish I could find a video or photo of this hill.

[QUOTE=Conflicted;1791520]Pool area was brimming with talent that was new to me. Robert and Boyd must book our guests in such a way as to have fresh faces almost every day.[/QUOTE]I haven't read anything about Greg. What's his status?

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1791885]Sorry Slam, upper level. Midway between the International departures on the left (as you enter) and the Domistic departutes on the right-hand side. Sorry- there isn't much downstairs level Arrivals Gate.[/QUOTE]There is an ATM now right outside domestic arrivals / baggage claim. It must have been installed over the last month or two months at most, since I don't recall it being there in August. Right as you get out of baggage claim, it's very visible. The green ATM that allows for larger transaction withdrawls is the Servibanca ATM.

My buddy and I started Sunday at 8:00 am with early morning massages at the Castillo / M-2 provided by Olga and Alexandra. I recommended Olga for him (had her once before. Amazing) and this was my second time with Alexandra. She's had some nice, soft implants installed since last year and they really go well with her sweet personality. The 150,000 pesos ($50) that I paid for a therapeutic massage followed by a nice HJ in an unrushed session got my day off to a good start. My buddy also came out of his room with a big smile.

We then headed off in a taxi to Sabeneta to do some people watching and taste some street food. I felt a little guilty sitting at a table at a nearby restaurant watching the locals in standing room only outside of the church listening to a sermon. That was a nice way to spend an hour or so. Everyone seemed happy down there.

After heading back up to the Castillo (and by the way, I may have exaggerated a little about the hill. It's not like mountain climbing or anything like that. Just imagine walking up to Row 50 in an SEC football stadium), we headed over to the new Tesoro Mall (Centro Comercial El Tesoro), just a 10 minute cab ride from the Castillo. Man, this place reminds me of Beverly Hills! There is an area near the Crepes & Waffles Restaurant where you can look out over most of the valley. Even on a somewhat rainy day, the view is still spectacular. The view inside is pretty spectacular as well. Some of the higher strata soccer moms that we saw were awesome.

After a shower, we headed down to the Mansion anticipating that there was going to be a Sunday afternoon cookout. We must have missed it but at 4:00, there were several girls out by the pool. Most of the guys were sitting in La Cueva watching a football game. I didn't come here to watch football!

Somehow, the best was saved for last for me. One of the girls whom I had seen earlier in the week brought a friend who had never been to the Mansion or to the Castillo before. In fact, I'm convinced that she had never been paid before. She was 22, long frosted hair, all natural except for the braces. A sweetheart.

She works Monday through Saturday at a clothing warehouse in Laureles, attends the University 2 or 3 days per week, and generally spends time with her 6 year old daughter on Sundays. I guess after seeing her work her ass off for so long, her friend decided to show her that there was an easier way to make ends meet.

After spending some time with a fellow monger and the chicas by the pool, my buddy headed back to Castillo with Jessica. Spent some time with her earlier in the week and she was nice. The other guy and I treated the girls to some pizza. Thanks Dominos! Pizza for 5 or 6 delivered for $13! I love this exchange rate.

Eventually, the other guy and I shared a cab ride up to the Castillo with his girl, Angie, and mine, Cindy. I could tell that Cindy was uncomfortable initially. She swore to me, and the staff at the Castillo confirmed that she had never been up here. I figured that if I handled this correctly, it would work out well and it did in a big way.

I assured her that I was not going to harm her in any way or move any quicker than she was comfortable with. We listened to some music on TV, cuddled some, and I pulled out some flash cards in English and Spanish so that we could practice together. That was a good ice breaker. After a while, she was smiling and laughing and appeared to be relaxed.

Eventually, we took a nice warm shower together and then I gave her a long back rub before she turned over and we began to kiss. She was as sweet as sugar. She never seemed concerned about time or money. She genuinely appeared to be enjoying herself as much as I was. We never even looked at the time until it was nearly midnight. By then, we had been together for several hours.

Although I will keep the details to myself, she stayed with me until 4:00 am. We set an alarm on my phone so that she could get up, get a shower, go home, and change clothes and get to work by 6:00 am. Before I paid her anything for her time, I asked her how much it would cost for a cab to where she lives. I gave her more than she asked for because she was truthful. I had no indication that she had any expectation as far as payment for her services. I'm convinced that she was brand new at this. I know that some guys will jump on my ass for this but I gave her 300,000 pesos /$100. She was thrilled and believe me, I got my money's worth and then some.

I also went downstairs and gave Amada, one of the ladies who work here and made my breakfast and cleaned my room every day, a 50,000 peso tip. She was thrilled and gave me a big hug. I did that last year when I stayed at the Mansion and when we arrived this year, Flo and Lilliana called me by my first name. Either Robert or Boyd have trained them well or they simply understand how much guests appreciate good service.

I can't remember ever having such a good time in 5 days. I will be back! Hope this trip report will be useful to someone thinking about coming to MDE for the first time!

Greg is still around. I saw him two or three times on my last six trips this year. WHen he's around, he's usually at the Castillo. He travels a lot watching cricket, etc. He kind of keeps to himself. It seems like his hard party days are over.

I always got along well with Greg and like him. He always treats me very nice when he sees me and is quick to give a referral. He had a stunning young blonde with him one day. I still kick myself that I did not take her myself.

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1792122]I haven't read anything about Greg. What's his status?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1791812]Combo, I like your posts and complimented you in the past. I think you are a good guy and contribute to the board and forum. In this case though, you are clearly misunderstanding John. I know him personally and he is great guy. He is extremely helpful to other mongers. He does focus on quality and like me he does not mind paying. All he is saying is don't be cheap and expect high quality.

Sometimes posts come across brash and it is hard to judge a person by their posts.

Would you believe if I told you that Old Parr is a wonderful guy. He is super helpful and fun. I know that because I know him but you won't get that from his posts. Ha ha. (And he has sense of humor).[/QUOTE]Hey wait a minute here this guy John started the whole thing with his post calling me out for selling rooms and trying to turn that into pimping for god sakes! Combo simply called him out by saying he's doesn't seem to be selling anything except ladies, which no one has shone to be wrong unless he's a great guy is ampal explanation! Why should Combo have to apologize? A Spades a Spade! Just trying to catch up after all those mansion posts, Up the hill or down the hill? Got day tours and night tours going tomorrow! Really good reviews on Mellisa pictured below, not only looking like a cheerleader but really good attention to the clientes and good service!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1792289]There is an ATM now right outside domestic arrivals / baggage claim. It must have been installed over the last month or two months at most, since I don't recall it being there in August. Right as you get out of baggage claim, it's very visible. The green ATM that allows for larger transaction withdrawls is the Servibanca ATM.[/QUOTE]This some OG level shit right here!! Hahahaha!! You know it next level shit when we're discussing the fucking air port lay out and ATM location and we can see it all perfectly in our minds eye'.

Hahahah!!

Re recap for the Youngbloods: Once you clear customs and walk out the big double doors, big meeting areas (roped off), past the Tigo charge wall, The snack stands, pass all that then there is a stair case and maybe elevator too I'm not sure, right up them bad boys behind you will be 2 or 3 ATM (the Green one gives 780 mil a pop) and then there might be one on the ground floor just keep on walking*.

Been reported but not a confirmed kill.

Look at that! Useful info on ISG? With no name calling or drama? Miracles do happen! Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1792122]I haven't read anything about Greg. What's his status?[/QUOTE]I was there in early August and he was there. Between the 3 owners, he was the only one that remembered me from my previous visits. A few times in 05 when there was only M. Then last time in M2 in 07.

Surprisingly sharp memory for an old man. Jejeje.

I don't recall, can you purchase Viagra over the counter at a Medellin pharmacy? Whats the cost per 100 MG? How about generic?

Any recent experiences.

The Tall Man.

Yes. You can get Viagra or Sidenafil, both over the counter. Generic tends to be cheaper as always. I forget the cost but I want to say around 10 or 20,000 COP per 100 MG. I have purchased from the pharmacy at any Carulla.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1792481]I don't recall, can you purchase Viagra over the counter at a Medellin pharmacy? Whats the cost per 100 MG? How about generic?

Any recent experiences.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.alldaychemist.com[/URL] They ship all over the world including the US. Someone recommended them years ago on some forum here on ISG. I have no interest in their business LOL.

Their products are made in India by major Indian pharmaceutical companies and I have always found them to work well.

This is a good V generic and costs a little less than $1 for 100 mgs.

[URL]http://www.alldaychemist.com/manly.html[/URL]

This is the C generic I use now.

[URL]http://www.alldaychemist.com/ceebis.html[/URL]

On the Ceebis you have to send them a note telling them you will not consume it in the USA, but that doesn't stop them from shipping it here.

Also less than $1 per 20 MG pill. I cut the see into quarters and just take the 5 MG daily dose. Usually all I need. If I'm going to try a Marathon, I might add a quarter fo a V to it 25 mgs and I'm good to take on the Swedish bikini team.

Shipping can be up to $25 but then now have a promotion with free shipping on orders over $250 and $15 shipping under $250. I've also gotten generic antibiotics from them that seemed to work well too.

I have probably placed 6 or seven orders for them over the years (I buy a years supply at at time) and it has always gotten through US customs with no problems. I think on their web site is says if it does get pinched in customs they will re-send. They label the package right on the outside with a label saying medication for personal use.

I prefer to arrive at my destination with this in hand, so I don't need to run around to local pharmacies and take chances getting inferior or counterfeit products.

I am planning on coming to MDE soon. I have traveled to other countries. I do not speak Spanish. How much problem am I going to have in getting around? How dangerous is it? Are the taxis safe?

A friend mentioned Luna Lunera at night and for the day to go to New Life and casas. Are these two areas safe for a single traveler? Do these places have more gringos or local customers? Do you have any other suggestions of places that you highly recommend?

Are there any freelance bars? Are there bars where the girls go home with you? What is the hotel policy about bringing girls back to your room? Do you have to have a room for two? Do they take the girls ID?

Thank you for any information you can provide.

[QUOTE=BigJohnson2;1792528]I am planning on coming to MDE soon. I have traveled to other countries. I do not speak Spanish. How much problem am I going to have in getting around? How dangerous is it? Are the taxis safe?

A friend mentioned Luna Lunera at night and for the day to go to New Life and casas. Are these two areas safe for a single traveler? Do these places have more gringos or local customers? Do you have any other suggestions of places that you highly recommend?

Are there any freelance bars? Are there bars where the girls go home with you? What is the hotel policy about bringing girls back to your room? Do you have to have a room for two? Do they take the girls ID?

Thank you for any information you can provide.[/QUOTE]1). You are going to have a major problem as the city is extremely dangerous especially for gringos, and for non Spanish speakers.

2). Taxi drivers have a reputation for ripping non speaking Spanish speakers off, and also are known to kidnap gringos until a ransom is paid, or they will take them to the most dangerous area in the city and drop you off.

3). Casas are a good choice but they are in a very dangerous area. You would be a fool to go there by yourself.

4). These places have 99 percent more local customers, and you have to be aware of the local customers robbing or kidnapping you when you leave, so be extremely careful.

5). Other places I would recommend would be staying at the Mansion or whatever it is called these days, and going to the bar on the premises, La Cueva, and hanging out with the old men who generally frequent the place, and who can offer you good advice, introduce girls to you, and where you can have a conversation in english.

6). Freelance bars I would highly recommend is Help of Medellin, LDV of Laureles, and Tequila Rocks of Parque Lleras. The thing to be aware of if you go to these freelance places is that the girls are known to use scopolamine on there clients. I will post at the end of my post, a story on this particular drug.

7). Yes these freelance bars the girls will go home with you, but also know that they might set you up to be robbed when you are in your room by using the drug I mentioned, or by calling a friend to come over, and at a set time they will open up your door to let them in. Another thing you have to be aware of is these girls that work in these freelance bars, or the girls that work the street, have police officer friends, and they will call them and tell them you tried to sexually assault them, so this friend will come to your hotel room, and take you into custody if you do not produce a large amount of money.

8). Yes I would highly recommend you book a room for two. Some take the identification of the of the girl and some do not.

9). For additional information read the Medellin forum, or contact my good friend Vitrea who loves helping new comers to Medellin, and who is more than willing to be your guide free of charge if he is in the city. You can find him by reading thread or by doing a name search here on the ISG.

10). Good luck to you and be safe.

The most dangerous drug in the world: 'Devil's Breath' chemical from Colombia can block free will, wipe memory and even kill.

Scopolamine often blown into faces of victims or added to drinks.

Within minutes, victims are like 'zombies' - coherent, but with no free will.

Some victims report emptying bank accounts to robbers or helping them pillage own house.

Drug is made from borrachero tree, which is common in Colombia.

A hazardous drug that eliminates free will and can wipe the memory of its victims is currently being dealt on the streets of Colombia.

The drug is called scopolamine, but is colloquially known as 'The Devil's Breath,' and is derived from a particular type of tree common to South America.

Stories surrounding the drug are include how people were raped, forced to empty their bank accounts, and even coerced into giving up an organ.

[QUOTE=BigJohnson2;1792528]I am planning on coming to MDE soon. I have traveled to other countries. I do not speak Spanish. How much problem am I going to have in getting around? How dangerous is it? Are the taxis safe?

A friend mentioned Luna Lunera at night and for the day to go to New Life and casas. Are these two areas safe for a single traveler? Do these places have more gringos or local customers? Do you have any other suggestions of places that you highly recommend?

Are there any freelance bars? Are there bars where the girls go home with you? What is the hotel policy about bringing girls back to your room? Do you have to have a room for two? Do they take the girls ID?

Thank you for any information you can provide.[/QUOTE]You may be better off staying at the Mansion or with Jake. It may cost a little more but most of the issues you have concerns about would be handled. A Newbie with no spanish in Medellin, those places are made for.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1792589]You may be better off staying at the Mansion or with Jake. It may cost a little more but most of the issues you have concerns about would be handled. A Newbie with no spanish in Medellin, those places are made for.[/QUOTE]I will also be in MDE within 10 days from now. Can somebody tell me about a casa in which I can for sure get BBBJ?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1792481]I don't recall, can you purchase Viagra over the counter at a Medellin pharmacy? Whats the cost per 100 MG? How about generic?

Any recent experiences.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I purchased a months supply today in the pharmacy in Santa Fe mall; 100 MG 7200 cop. Generic of course. Works well. 👍.

[QUOTE=BigJohnson2;1792528]I am planning on coming to MDE soon. I have traveled to other countries. I do not speak Spanish. How much problem am I going to have in getting around? How dangerous is it? Are the taxis safe?
A friend mentioned Luna Lunera at night and for the day to go to New Life and casas. Are these two areas safe for a single traveler? Do these places have more gringos or local customers? Do you have any other suggestions of places that you highly recommend?
Are there any freelance bars? Are there bars where the girls go home with you? What is the hotel policy about bringing girls back to your room? Do you have to have a room for two? Do they take the girls ID?
Thank you for any information you can provide.[/QUOTE]
If you go to MDE [I]just for mongering[/I] (which is weird, IMHO! I am afraid you have no other option than staying in a gringo-oriented place like Mansion. They will guide and take care of you and you will be with gringos having the same goal as you. Easy and safe.

If you go to MDE for work, but you want to take your time to relax too, you should do as I did the first time:
1) spend some hours reading duly this thread (warning: real reports are lost in chit-chat), or better just the RoD. Yes, RTFF before asking "what can I do here?
2) go around to explore slowly when you have time, without wanting to do everything in few days, without asking too much to yourself (e. G. , if you don't speak Spanish, your chances to go around and "survive" alone are minimal)).
You might limit yourself to high-level clubs as Fase II or La Isla (but if you don't speak Spanish, I don't know what you do once sitting at a table in company of a girl).

For other specific questions, why don't you make the effort to read, before expecting others make the effort to write what has been written many times already?

[I]I do not speak Spanish. How much problem am I going to have in getting around? [/I]
You will be lonely and with unpassable communication barrier. Imagine a French guy in El Paso.

[I]How dangerous is it? Are the taxis safe? [/I]
It's dangerous as soon as you go where you should not go, you show you are tourist, you show money, etc. Taxis are safe. Stick to Parque Lleras or get information in advance about the place.

[I]A friend mentioned Luna Lunera at night and for the day to go to New Life and casas. Are these two areas safe for a single traveler? Do these places have more gringos or local customers? Do you have any other suggestions of places that you highly recommend? [/I]
They are totally safe, but if you don't speak Spanish I don't know how much fun you could have.
Ah, I forgot: RTFF.

[I]Are there any freelance bars? Are there bars where the girls go home with you? [/I]
LOL. RTFF.

[I]What is the hotel policy about bringing girls back to your room? Do you have to have a room for two? Do they take the girls ID? [/I]
Nearly no upper class hotel will allow guests easily. They will find a way to discourage you (fee). Why don't you RTFF?

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1792506] They ship all over the world including the US. Someone recommended them years ago on some forum here on ISG. I have no interest in their business LOL.
Their products are made in India by major Indian pharmaceutical companies and I have always found them to work well.
I prefer to arrive at my destination with this in hand, so I don't need to run around to local pharmacies and take chances getting inferior or counterfeit products.[/QUOTE]What a lame attempt to advertise a site!

And it would be so silly to buy Indian V from a web site before going to a country (Colombia) where:
- national pharmaceutical industry is reputable and follows high quality standards.
- Sildenafil, Tadalafil etc. Are sold easily over the counter in all farmacies.
- generic Sildenafil is cheap (about 50 cents for 50 MG pill?) and produced by solid local industry, contrary to probably counterfeited made-in-India products.

Welcome to the real world.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1792481]I don't recall, can you purchase Viagra over the counter at a Medellin pharmacy? Whats the cost per 100 MG? How about generic?
Any recent experiences.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Any farmacy. See my other post about quality. If you buy in quantity, you might want to inquiry a few ones to get the best price.

I usually go to La Rebaja in front to the Parque Poblado, which always offered me better prices and wider choice than the Pasteur in front. I don't say this is the best place. I say: ask in few places before buying many.

Last time I bought 15 boxes 4 x50 MG pills, at a price around 7000 pesos each (I might not remember well, though). In my country, it's not so easy! I prefer Genfar over MK or other generic made-in-Colombia products, for a simple reason: the 4 x50 MG box contains ONE blister including 4 pills, instead of FOUR blisters each carrying one pill. Much more compact and easy to store.

Landed down around 12:30 for my second trip back to Medellion. Customs was a breeze this afternoon and much shorter lines than my last trip. Hit the ATM and took out enough money to get me started. Outside the airport I told one of the guys that was trying to herd me to a taxi "collectivo taxi San Diego" to save a little money, than just grabbed a regular taxi to the room I rented on airbnb close to the Santa Fe mall.

After settling in and getting a needed shower I was itching to get to centro. First stop was conojitas, as it was good early on my last trip. I know the the hot spots change quickly here, either the rain was making for a slow day here or the girls have moved on to a new club. Anyway, hung out for a beer, didn't see anything I wanted for 60-70 mil when I knew the casas were still open. So on to club sexy amigas it was. This place had some great line ups last time as well. Today I noticed a different mamasan and the line up was down a little but I still found one to my liking. Took this young 20 year old to the back for half hour for 35 k. She did hit me up for 20 k for DATY which I don't always do but it was my first time being upsold on this.

Next up I wanted to stop by the coffee shop as I remembered seeing a good review last trip but when I checked it out last trip not much was going on. Walked in and noticed the hostess was cute, so was hoping the line up would be as well. After viewing the line up I thought the hostess was still the best Chica there. To my surprise she was available so I figured why not, it's like $13 American. I wasn't sure how easy this quick of a round 2 would be for me but she did the job.

After only about 2 hours sleep and a day of traveling and 2 nuts I was spent. Decided to stay in and watch some football, get an early night of sleep.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1792637]What a lame attempt to advertise a site!

And it would be so silly to buy Indian V from a web site before going to a country (Colombia) where:
- national pharmaceutical industry is reputable and follows high quality standards.
- Sildenafil, Tadalafil etc. Are sold easily over the counter in all farmacies.
- generic Sildenafil is cheap (about 50 cents for 50 MG pill?) and produced by solid local industry, contrary to probably counterfeited made-in-India products.

Welcome to the real world.[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. I've been a member of ISG since 2003 with trip reports in many countries. Just trying to be helpful.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1792589]You may be better off staying at the Mansion or with Jake. It may cost a little more but most of the issues you have concerns about would be handled. A Newbie with no spanish in Medellin, those places are made for.[/QUOTE]The Mansion I can see great for non-Spanish speakers since there should be staff or other guests nearby who can help translate. But with Jake's services where he sends you out with a girl for the night, how would his services be helpful if the girl is likely a non-English speaker and there are no other people around to help translate? I don't imagine Jake is going to be out with us all night in case we need translation help.

I guess being away from MDE for over a year has gotten me way behind on the delights of the city. With new places like Help of Medellin, LDV of Laureles, and Tequila Rocks of Parque Lleras thing have really improved. I have been to the original Tequila Rock (notice my correct spelling) in Lima, and of course LDV in CTG. Never made it to Help in Rio, but from all accounts it was heaven on earth.

Old Parr again you have proved your worth, and if your old friend Urban W is still alive I 'm sure he would be proud.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1792584]1). You are going to have a major problem as the city is extremely dangerous especially for gringos, and for non Spanish speakers.

2). Taxi drivers have a reputation for ripping non speaking Spanish speakers off, and also are known to kidnap gringos until a ransom is paid, or they will take them to the most dangerous area in the city and drop you off.

3). Casas are a good choice but they are in a very dangerous area. You would be a fool to go there by yourself.

4). These places have 99 percent more local customers, and you have to be aware of the local customers robbing or kidnapping you when you leave, so be extremely careful.

5). Other places I would recommend would be staying at the Mansion or whatever it is called these days, and going to the bar on the premises, La Cueva, and hanging out with the old men who generally frequent the place, and who can offer you good advice, introduce girls to you, and where you can have a conversation in english.

6). Freelance bars I would highly recommend is Help of Medellin, LDV of Laureles, and Tequila Rocks of Parque Lleras. The thing to be aware of if you go to these freelance places is that the girls are known to use scopolamine on there clients. I will post at the end of my post, a story on this particular drug.

7). Yes these freelance bars the girls will go home with you, but also know that they might set you up to be robbed when you are in your room by using the drug I mentioned, or by calling a friend to come over, and at a set time they will open up your door to let them in. Another thing you have to be aware of is these girls that work in these freelance bars, or the girls that work the street, have police officer friends, and they will call them and tell them you tried to sexually assault them, so this friend will come to your hotel room, and take you into custody if you do not produce a large amount of money.

8). Yes I would highly recommend you book a room for two. Some take the identification of the of the girl and some do not.

9). For additional information read the Medellin forum, or contact my good friend Vitrea who loves helping new comers to Medellin, and who is more than willing to be your guide free of charge if he is in the city. You can find him by reading thread or by doing a name search here on the ISG.

10). Good luck to you and be safe.

The most dangerous drug in the world: 'Devil's Breath' chemical from Colombia can block free will, wipe memory and even kill.

Scopolamine often blown into faces of victims or added to drinks..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BigJohnson2;1792528]I am planning on coming to MDE soon. I have traveled to other countries. I do not speak Spanish. How much problem am I going to have in getting around? How dangerous is it? Are the taxis safe?

A friend mentioned Luna Lunera at night and for the day to go to New Life and casas. Are these two areas safe for a single traveler? Do these places have more gringos or local customers? Do you have any other suggestions of places that you highly recommend?

Are there any freelance bars? Are there bars where the girls go home with you? What is the hotel policy about bringing girls back to your room? Do you have to have a room for two? Do they take the girls ID?

Thank you for any information you can provide.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JohnGault;1792799]I guess being away from MDE for over a year has gotten me way behind on the delights of the city. With new places like Help of Medellin, LDV of Laureles, and Tequila Rocks of Parque Lleras thing have really improved. I have been to the original Tequila Rock (notice my correct spelling) in Lima, and of course LDV in CTG. Never made it to Help in Rio, but from all accounts it was heaven on earth.

Old Parr again you have proved your worth, and if your old friend Urban Wildlife is still alive I 'm sure he would be proud.[/QUOTE]The thing is 99 percent of the questions asked can be found by reading the forum and through the links of distinction like Black Page pointed out. It was also excellent advice given for Big Johnson2 to stay at the places recommended to him, as he will have others to socialize with since he is a non Spanish speaker, and a first time visitor to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;1792796]The Mansion I can see great for non-Spanish speakers since there should be staff or other guests nearby who can help translate. But with Jake's services where he sends you out with a girl for the night, how would his services be helpful if the girl is likely a non-English speaker and there are no other people around to help translate? I don't imagine Jake is going to be out with us all night in case we need translation help.[/QUOTE]It never seems to be a problem, everybody either has translation in their cell phones and all the places have WiFi just hand your phone to the server but the real fun is to wing it because most of the girls know some English and its fun to try it for a while without any help. When or if you you need it its as easy as Google translate on your cell or applications now that don't need WiFi but your right, I don't go along on the dates with you, the girls sort of act as your guide so you don't have to worry just have fun!

I heard some gringo who had been taking pictures of the casa girls over a long period of time, got punched out because he published the photos on his site against and without their permission and finally the boyfriends beat him up! Anybody hear about this?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;1792796]The Mansion I can see great for non-Spanish speakers since [red]there should be staff or other guests nearby who can help translate[/red]. But with Jake's services [blue]where he sends you out with a girl for the night[/blue], how would his services be helpful if the girl is likely a non-English speaker and there are no other people around to help translate? I don't imagine Jake is going to be out with us all night in case we need translation help.[/QUOTE]You mean at Mansion the staff is also available to wait out of the door, in case during room activities the guest might need translation? Wow. That's outstanding service.
(poor guys, sent out alone in the night with a girl!)

Did I see that right or was it a typo (see below) there is a free lance bar "Help Disco" in Mede now?

If you don't speak Spanish, then don't take the chicas out on dates. Fuck them and spend time in the room with them. Sitting in a restaurant and handing your phones back and forth using "Google Translate" is not going to be a fun time. Besides, what if she is looking for a "smart gentleman" and it translates as "ready horseman"? Because [I]caballero listo[/I] will translate that way. Or "comprometido. " You promise her something and the next you know, she thinks you are engaged to be married. And I bet most non-Spanish speakers don't know how to put in tildes and accent marks so you might ask her how many assholes she has when you are trying to ask her how old she is.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1792877]You mean at Mansion the staff is also available to wait out of the door, in case during room activities the guest might need translation? Wow. [/QUOTE]They probably have an intercom within the rooms to provide translator services from the front desk. If an issue came up about whether the BJ was to be covered or not it would be entertaining to listen to the exchange along with everything else that needed to be translated if there actually was an intercom system.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1792897]If you don't speak Spanish, then don't take the chicas out on dates. Fuck them and spend time in the room with them. Sitting in a restaurant and handing your phones back and forth using "Google Translate" is not going to be a fun time. Besides, what if she is looking for a "smart gentleman" and it translates as "ready horseman"? Because [I]caballero listo[/I] will translate that way. Or "comprometido. " You promise her something and the next you know, she thinks you are engaged to be married. And I bet most non-Spanish speakers don't know how to put in tildes and accent marks so you might ask her how many assholes she has when you are trying to ask her how old she is.[/QUOTE]I do see your point. I've been to Cuba, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica and Tijuana -- went with enough extremely basic Spanish to get the deed done, ie. , negotiate, bring girl back to room and when session was over, that was it. I cannot imagine myself spending anymore time than that (as in a night out on the town) without a loss of communication.

But I do appreciate Jake's response though.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1792799]I guess being away from MDE for over a year has gotten me way behind on the delights of the city. With new places like Help of Medellin, LDV of Laureles, and Tequila Rocks of Parque Lleras thing have really improved. I have been to the original Tequila Rock (notice my correct spelling) in Lima, and of course LDV in CTG. Never made it to Help in Rio, but from all accounts it was heaven on earth.

Old Parr again you have proved your worth, and if your old friend Urban W is still alive I 'm sure he would be proud.[/QUOTE]There is a new Help in Medellin? WHERE!! Is it the same owners at the ones in Rio? Donde!!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1793142]There is a new Help in Medellin? WHERE!! Is it the same owners at the ones in Rio? Donde!![/QUOTE]As I stated in my post I have not been to MDE in over a year. Please check post #18115 (Old Parr).

[QUOTE=OldParr;1792584]6). Freelance bars I would highly recommend is Help of Medellin, LDV of Laureles, and Tequila Rocks of Parque Lleras. [/QUOTE]LOL. Be nice to the guys who won't RTTF!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1793142]There is a new Help in Medellin? WHERE!! Is it the same owners at the ones in Rio? Donde!![/QUOTE]The guy was being facetious. Why come on here and confuse everybody with BS like that; especially the readers who do not have English as their first language. Help used to be in Rio, LDV is in Cartagena, and there are a couple of Tequila Rock Discos in Lima.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1792584] 9). For additional information read the Medellin forum, or contact my good friend Vitrea who loves helping new comers to Medellin, and who is more than willing to be your guide free of charge if he is in the city. (Correct Mr V?) wink ---You can find him by reading thread or by doing a name search here on the ISG.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sam2015;1793268]LOL. Be nice to the guys who won't RTTF![/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;1793282]The guy was being facetious.[/QUOTE]Nice to see you get it Sam! Tired of people coming on the forum asking routine questions that can easily be found with a little effort, or by reading the links to distinction thread, but instead of putting forth any effort at all they want to be spoon fed.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1792834]I heard some gringo who had been taking pictures of the casa girls over a long period of time, got punched out because he published the photos on his site against and without their permission and finally the boyfriends beat him up! Anybody hear about this?[/QUOTE]Probably the medellinsex guy. After a few nights of bunk-beds, shared bathrooms, and having to bring their own towels, finding out they paid to be introduced to a street walker was probably the final straw.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1793282]The guy was being facetious. Why come on here and confuse everybody with BS like that; especially the readers who do not have English as their first language. Help used to be in Rio, LDV is in Cartagena, and there are a couple of Tequila Rock Discos in Lima.[/QUOTE]When I was in Lima in July, Tequila Rocks in Miraflores had closed down.

Hi,

I just came from there. Total scum! Don't go. Is just another club where the personal is just trying to rip you off with the drinks.

And the girls are not so good!

I regret to had wasting my time in this place.

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1793413]Probably the medellinsex guy. After a few nights of bunk-beds, shared bathrooms, and having to bring their own towels, finding out they paid to be introduced to a street walker was probably the final straw.[/QUOTE]Jonesie,

You lost your teeth and they broke your nose but thank goodness you still have your sense of humor left along with the three readers of that crap you have online! Hopefully they ran you sleezy ass out of town! Your not welcome anymore in the casas so where will you call home?

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1793413]Probably the medellinsex guy. After a few nights of bunk-beds, shared bathrooms, and having to bring their own towels, finding out they paid to be introduced to a street walker was probably the final straw.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1793513]Jonesie,

You lost your teeth and they broke your nose but thank goodness you still have your sense of humor left along with the three readers of that crap you have online! Hopefully they ran you sleezy ass out of town! Your not welcome anymore in the casas so where will you call home?[/QUOTE]A major beat down. Another reason not to post photos as you never know who will see them. I do not post them anymore as I have previously stated, because a member here printed them off and actually walked into LDV in Cartagena with them in hand, asking if the girls in the photos were around, which caused me problems, as one of the girls was a friend of mine, and the the other was her friend.

I hope you are healing up Jonesie. Why have you been kicked out of the casas?

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1793513]Jonesie,

You lost your teeth and they broke your nose but thank goodness you still have your sense of humor left along with the three readers of that crap you have online! Hopefully they ran you sleezy ass out of town! Your not welcome anymore in the casas so where will you call home?[/QUOTE]That story is weaker than your guide service. Do you tell guys beforehand they'll be sharing a bathroom with 3 old Colombian dudes? Or is that part of the VIP package that includes a dream date introduction to Ms. Model-glue breath?

Not helpful. A bunch of sad f--ks bickering.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1793713]Not helpful. A bunch of sad f--ks bickering.[/QUOTE]Yes, on this thread most have a pissing contest. Not sure why but everyone wants to be the experts. However, there are times someone contributes a great report. Ignore the bickering and you do find some interesting points.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1793713]Not helpful. A bunch of sad f--ks bickering.[/QUOTE]Then why are you reading it? (smile).

Agreed 100 percent. I also stopped posting pics of girls to avoid potential trouble. And it could get worse than a fight with a crazy Colombian du. Just ask Cubadave in CR. He continues to be in jail and the girls' photos and videos he proudly posted are only helping his prosecutors.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1793673]A major beat down. Another reason not to post photos as you never know who will see them. I do not post them anymore as I have previously stated, because a member here printed them off and actually walked into LDV in Cartagena with them in hand, asking if the girls in the photos were around, which caused me problems, as one of the girls was a friend of mine, and the the other was her friend.

I hope you are healing up Jonesie. Why have you been kicked out of the casas?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1793513]Jonesie,

You lost your teeth and they broke your nose but thank goodness you still have your sense of humor left along with the three readers of that crap you have online! Hopefully they ran you sleezy ass out of town! Your not welcome anymore in the casas so where will you call home?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldParr;1793673]Why have you been kicked out of the casas?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Jonesie;1793706]That story is weaker than your guide service. Do you tell guys beforehand they'll be sharing a bathroom with 3 old Colombian dudes? Or is that part of the VIP package that includes a dream date introduction to Ms. Model-glue breath?[/QUOTE]Why are you not welcome in the Casas, Jonesie?

[QUOTE=OldParr;1793673]A major beat down. Another reason not to post photos as you never know who will see them. I do not post them anymore as I have previously stated, because a member here printed them off and actually walked into LDV in Cartagena with them in hand, asking if the girls in the photos were around, which caused me problems, as one of the girls was a friend of mine, and the the other was her friend.

I hope you are healing up Jonesie. Why have you been kicked out of the casas?[/QUOTE]Ha, Thanks for the regards, but the only thing I need healed is my ass from having Colombia Jerk's nose up it. If he focused less on my business and more on providing something, anything, of actual value to his clients, he wouldn't have so much spare time to troll monger forums.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1793673]A major beat down. Another reason not to post photos as you never know who will see them. I do not post them anymore as I have previously stated, because a member here printed them off and actually walked into LDV in Cartagena with them in hand, asking if the girls in the photos were around, which caused me problems, as one of the girls was a friend of mine, and the the other was her friend.

I hope you are healing up Jonesie. Why have you been kicked out of the casas?[/QUOTE]Oh man!! I reference your story all the time! I think hyou told me via PM when I first joined and shared some info with me! Thanks again! I never did make it to Caratagena.

One of the GREATEST BONE HEAD snitch moves of all time!! Prints out the pics, hunts the girl down, and blows up your game! Legendary stupid!

Hahahha.

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[QUOTE=SBeach25;1793751]Yes, on this thread most have a pissing contest. Not sure why but everyone wants to be the experts. However, there are times someone contributes a great report. Ignore the bickering and you do find some interesting points.[/QUOTE]I've been posting on ISG since the late 90's (using this handle since 03). There is a higher than usual noise to signal ratio on this board. I don't hang our here as I only take a trip like this every year or two and folks here are very suspicious of new comers (even guys with bonafides in other forumns) and spend most of their time hurling flames at one another. Still in the midst of the noise is a lot of useful information and I am truly grateful to those that post it. If you are going to MDE, I suspect it is worth wading through the muck to get it.

I hopped on today to read through the MDE forum and decide whether or not I (of low Spanish fluency) and my buddy (of no Spanish fluency) should avail of a guide's services while in Medellin / feel safe walking around by our lonesome -- to give you a quick background we're late 20's / early 30's, non-White, and aren't unfamiliar with high murder rate cities (in no means is that bragging, it's actually kind of a bummer), which I've heard makes us a bit less susceptible to gringo crime as long as we dress down. We were unable to get the Mansion for the days we're in town, and settled on a comfortable well-rated penthouse in Parque Lleras; upon initial look-throughs of the thread, it seemed pretty clear that Medellin could be an unwelcome place without a guide and non-fluent Spanish, but as I've gone further back (and apparently within the last 48 hours LOL), I notice a lot of disagreement on the usefulness of a guide in MDE, and whether the cost: value proposition makes sense for one.

I suppose my question is this; if we keep our wits about us, stick to Uber and just walking around the well-traveled parts of Poblado and Laureles, would we be alright to do Medellin by ourselves? If it sounds like a no-go, does anyone have any strong recommendations as to a good place to start in terms of looking for a guide? Given his amount of posts in this thread I've naturally already looked into Colombia Jake, but I'm generally of a mind to shop around when it comes to things of this nature. I've already gotten a lot of helpful information for planning my trip on the CO boards, so I guess "thanks again" is more appropriate than "thanks in advance".

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1793799]I've been posting on ISG since the late 90's (using this handle since 03). There is a higher than usual noise to signal ratio on this board. I don't hang our here as I only take a trip like this every year or two and folks here are very suspicious of new comers (even guys with bonafides in other forumns) and spend most of their time hurling flames at one another. Still in the midst of the noise is a lot of useful information and I am truly grateful to those that post it. If you are going to MDE, I suspect it is worth wading through the muck to get it.[/QUOTE]I feel like this place is definitely akin to an information firehose; a lot of really good stuff is out there in terms of information, but there's so much stuff coming at you; in preparing for my trip I've more than once had to track something I was reading about back several pages because an argument derails it. It's definitely manageable with a little elbow grease and patience, but nobody should be shocked if occasionally someone can't find their answer within the hundreds of posts per month.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1793829]I hopped on today to read through the MDE forum and decide whether or not I (of low Spanish fluency) and my buddy (of no Spanish fluency) should avail of a guide's services while in Medellin / feel safe walking around by our lonesome -- to give you a quick background we're late 20's / early 30's, non-White, and aren't unfamiliar with high murder rate cities (in no means is that bragging, it's actually kind of a bummer), which I've heard makes us a bit less susceptible to gringo crime as long as we dress down. We were unable to get the Mansion for the days we're in town, and settled on a comfortable well-rated penthouse in Parque Lleras; upon initial look-throughs of the thread, it seemed pretty clear that Medellin could be an unwelcome place without a guide and non-fluent Spanish, but as I've gone further back (and apparently within the last 48 hours LOL), I notice a lot of disagreement on the usefulness of a guide in MDE, and whether the cost: value proposition makes sense for one.

I suppose my question is this; if we keep our wits about us, stick to Uber and just walking around the well-traveled parts of Poblado and Laureles, would we be alright to do Medellin by ourselves? If it sounds like a no-go, does anyone have any strong recommendations as to a good place to start in terms of looking for a guide? Given his amount of posts in this thread I've naturally already looked into Colombia Jake, but I'm generally of a mind to shop around when it comes to things of this nature. I've already gotten a lot of helpful information for planning my trip on the CO boards, so I guess "thanks again" is more appropriate than "thanks in advance".

I feel like this place is definitely akin to an information firehose; a lot of really good stuff is out there in terms of information, but there's so much stuff coming at you; in preparing for my trip I've more than once had to track something I was reading about back several pages because an argument derails it. It's definitely manageable with a little elbow grease and patience, but nobody should be shocked if occasionally someone can't find their answer within the hundreds of posts per month.[/QUOTE]

I was in a situation similar to you when I went to Medellin in 2007 (I think. You can search for my posts! I stayed in one of the Mansions (Robert's penthouse, he's the partner in crime with Aussie Greg). Robert was fantastic. He was the guide for us (free of charge) took us to places we'd never have found by ourselves, and invited girls to the penthouse. Short of staying in mansion, which you say. You cannot do, I highly recommend having someone take you around. I am assuming you are going for the "hobby. " You will need someone to take you to good places where you can find good looking girls and the places are also safe. I don't know what Medellin is like now but I went there I did not feel unsafe. Of course, I didn't wander the streets at 2 in the morning either. The other option is to hangout at the mansion even if you are not staying there and you'll have access to the girls (not sure if that's kosher, but I have read here that others have done it). Just my thoughts. Others may disagree with my opinions. Which is fine because it's been some years since I have been in Medellin.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1793829]I hopped on today to read through the MDE forum and decide whether or not I (of low Spanish fluency) and my buddy (of no Spanish fluency) should avail of a guide's services while in Medellin / feel safe walking around by our lonesome -- to give you a quick background we're late 20's / early 30's, non-White, and aren't unfamiliar with high murder rate cities (in no means is that bragging, it's actually kind of a bummer), which I've heard makes us a bit less susceptible to gringo crime as long as we dress down. We were unable to get the Mansion for the days we're in town, and settled on a comfortable well-rated penthouse in Parque Lleras; upon initial look-throughs of the thread, it seemed pretty clear that Medellin could be an unwelcome place without a guide and non-fluent Spanish, but as I've gone further back (and apparently within the last 48 hours LOL), I notice a lot of disagreement on the usefulness of a guide in MDE, and whether the cost: value proposition makes sense for one.

I suppose my question is this; if we keep our wits about us, stick to Uber and just walking around the well-traveled parts of Poblado and Laureles, would we be alright to do Medellin by ourselves? If it sounds like a no-go, does anyone have any strong recommendations as to a good place to start in terms of looking for a guide? Given his amount of posts in this thread I've naturally already looked into Colombia Jake, but I'm generally of a mind to shop around when it comes to things of this nature. I've already gotten a lot of helpful information for planning my trip on the CO boards, so I guess "thanks again" is more appropriate than "thanks in advance".

I feel like this place is definitely akin to an information firehose; a lot of really good stuff is out there in terms of information, but there's so much stuff coming at you; in preparing for my trip I've more than once had to track something I was reading about back several pages because an argument derails it. It's definitely manageable with a little elbow grease and patience, but nobody should be shocked if occasionally someone can't find their answer within the hundreds of posts per month.[/QUOTE]Medellin has a lot of different dimensions in which to monger. One of them (or more) are sure to fit your tastes. An hour or two of research would make a guide unnecessary. Casas in the day, strip clubs at night, and if you're treating yourself, a few high end brothels at night. It's only intimidating for those who've never been.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1792897]If you don't speak Spanish, then don't take the chicas out on dates. Fuck them and spend time in the room with them. Sitting in a restaurant and handing your phones back and forth using "Google Translate" is not going to be a fun time. Besides, what if she is looking for a "smart gentleman" and it translates as "ready horseman"? Because [I]caballero listo[/I] will translate that way. Or "comprometido. " You promise her something and the next you know, she thinks you are engaged to be married. And I bet most non-Spanish speakers don't know how to put in tildes and accent marks so you might ask her how many assholes she has when you are trying to ask her how old she is.[/QUOTE]What? Ready for this horse cock or how many assholes she has are actually fair questions, because your hopefully going to pound every hole she has! LOL Hey I have news for you guys that are on dates with the girls I know, she's a sure thing ok! She's going to take your garbaled half drunk attempt at speaking Spanish and laugh at you and with you, but at the end of the night guess what? She's going home with you! The girls are comfortable with you not having to entertain them, and there is so much going on around the park she's happy to people watch right along with you and listen to the music all night long. She know's she's getting paid so she's happy and so are you knowing she's yours tonight. Don't be a hermit (monger mentality) and think your only worth an hour with a chica so you can go be alone again and watch her go collect from another customer again and again! Finally don't ask her old she is (typical American) because its rude here, (non of them are under 18) and she's not going ask you your age! Isn't that the nicest thing you've heard in a long time, because its going to be the first or second question you hear in the states! The bottom line is have as many different experiences as you can on your visit.

Just so you know Mike and I have not liked each other for over a year and have had words in the past, so this is not new between us!

Things finally came back on Jonesie after rubbing the Medellin casa community wrong for too long! These casa owners here in Medellin don't like it when people come in and start.

Publishing reviews with photos about their girls and their places of business. The Sex casa business is subtle here in Medellin without advertising itself or making a big deal about it. He finally wore out his welcome with a lot of people including myself. He got what he had coming to him after writing reviews of the girls sexual proformances and invading too many girls privacy! Publishing publicly too many photos against the permission of the girls who he gives a 20,000 peso tip after a session to take their private photo, but they almost never say yes when asked to be viewed publicly. The girls are poor and come from tough barrios and are connected to people who can end your life. I'm guessing all they had to do with Mike because he actually thinks the girls like him, was have one of the girls say hey baby meet me here, Surprise!

I remember you telling me you were going completely take over Jackson's ISG Medellin market sorry to inform you but this is still where its at, and I have never ever seen you publicly out with a women at any level from street walker on up!

1. You can't just hang around the Mansion without being a guest of the Mansion. They sometimes let you pay to get into special events....and that is only because Roberto is maximizing his intake at La Cuerva.

2 Uber? I would just get a cab, they are cheap enough.

3. Just hang around Park Illeras, from what I understand, putas are hanging out there now looking for you.

Take the Metro or a cab into Centro during the day for casas, though they can be a little hard to find sometimes.


btw.......the bantering back and forth is too funny

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1793851]What? Ready for this horse cock or how many assholes she has are actually fair questions, because your hopefully going to pound every hole she has! LOL Hey I have news for you guys that are on dates with the girls I know, she's a sure thing ok! She's going to take your garbaled half drunk attempt at speaking Spanish and laugh at you and with you, but at the end of the night guess what? She's going home with you! The girls are comfortable with you not having to entertain them, and there is so much going on around the park she's happy to people watch right along with you and listen to the music all night long. She know's she's getting paid so she's happy and so are you knowing she's yours tonight. Don't be a hermit (monger mentality) and think your only worth an hour with a chica so you can go be alone again and watch her go collect from another customer again and again! Finally don't ask her old she is (typical American) because its rude here, (non of them are under 18) and she's not going ask you your age! Isn't that the nicest thing you've heard in a long time, because its going to be the first or second question you hear in the states! The bottom line is have as many different experiences as you can on your visit...[/QUOTE]For the guys who aren't familiar with this half-wit drama, Jay is mad that I wouldn't let him spam my site with his whack-ass guide service and hostal rentals. After complaints from the few guys that did try his place out, I told him his thing wasn't a fit for the site. He persisted, and eventually got banned. He's been whining and talking out his ass ever since. Since this is the only site he hasn't been banned from, here we are.

I've not personally seen his place, but the common gripe was there was one bathroom shared by 4 rooms, and dirty towels. Common complaints about the 'introduction / dream date' are they already met the girl on the Mayorista or San Diego streetwalker area. This is only what I've heard. But heard consistently.

If you were reading this thread trying to gather info on your Colombia trip, sorry you had to see this shit-show. I too would rather have not been in this conversation. Boyd called me and told me Jay was talking shit here, so curiosity got the best of me and I came over to see what silliness he was up to this time.

I post pics, and allow others to do so, so that the reader gets an idea of what's available and knows what to expect. Every so often, a girl complains about it, and I take it down. Otherwise, I've never had any issues. There are some who don't agree, and that's fine. They don't have to look.

Jay, blaming me for your problems is like a restaurant blaming tripadvisor for its bad reviews. I didn't make your 'business' what it is, you did. My general opinion of what little I know of you is that you're pleasant to those you want something from, and shitty to everyone else. If you really want to sound like a foil helmet *******, go ahead, write whatever you want. Jax's Colombia forum could use the traffic.

I personally prefer Monger Network over ISG because we get first-hand reports of girls in the casas along with pictures. ISG does deliver some content but it is primarily one or two threads in a worldwide forum. The guys on Monger Network can also discuss independent girls. Jonsie also goes out of his way to help out newbies and conducts tours of all the casas and has created his own map. He really puts a lot of effort into his site and tries to cultivate a community.

Regarding taking girls out to dinner, I do it every trip. I do it not to impress the girl but because I don't like to eat alone and I like to have a sexy girl sitting next to me. I like getting my schlong rubbed under the table too. Great fun! Where else can you take a girl out for drinks and dinner and spend about $15?

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1793761]Agreed 100 percent. I also stopped posting pics of girls to avoid potential trouble. And it could get worse than a fight with a crazy Colombian du. Just ask Cubadave in CR. He continues to be in jail and the girls' photos and videos he proudly posted are only helping his prosecutors.[/QUOTE]Well lets be real. Cuba Dave was standing on a digital soap box and shouting about everything and anything that he wanted! He wanted and drew attention to himself and now he's paying the price.

I feel for the man. I do but he was warned right? Told to knock it off? Run out of the DR and Cuba the chatter goes. And finally got rung up in CR. Sad yo. Sad. I wish him all the best but this is a witch hunt and we all know how this ended up for the witches of Salem.

I simply asked for confirmation that you got beat up for the reasons I stated before. These casa owners here in Medellin don't like it when people come in and start.

Publishing reviews with photos about their girls and their places of business. The Sex casa business is subtle here in Medellin without advertising itself or making a big deal about it. He finally wore out his welcome with a lot of people including myself. He got what he had coming to him after writing reviews of the girls sexual performances and invading too many girls privacy! Publishing publicly too many photos against the permission of the girls who he gives a 20,000 peso tip after a session to take their private photo, but they almost never say yes when asked to be viewed publicly. The girls are poor and come from tough barrios and are connected to people who can end your life. I'm guessing all they had to do with Mike because he actually thinks the girls like him, was have one of the girls say hey baby meet me here, Surprise!

The confirmation came in confirming that you got beat up, no different than someone confirming closing time at a strip club, end of that story! You also confirmed that you have never stepped foot in my 6 bedroom 3. 5 Bathroom 24/7 security love palace! It may not be 5 star quality hotel, but its every bit as good as most of the places guys live in the states and nobody seems to be complaining, because I keep getting a steady flow of repeat customers and my reservations are looking good for the next two months, another words I'm doing well, which seemed to start just after I stopped posting with you, so that's the end of that story! The girlfriends my goodness, you have the audacity to take a shot at them though you've never even seen one much less been out with a girl end of that story. Finally the reason I'm still here is because Jackson gets it, competition is good for everyone, unlike the way you do business! The End! Time to get back to work its been fun!

Laura pictured below is so much fun to party with! I still have some space in November and December but its filling up fast!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1794086]I personally prefer Monger Network over ISG because we get first-hand reports of girls in the casas along with pictures. ISG does deliver some content but it is primarily one or two threads in a worldwide forum. The guys on Monger Network can also discuss independent girls. Jonsie also goes out of his way to help out newbies and conducts tours of all the casas and has created his own map. He really puts a lot of effort into his site and tries to cultivate a community.

Regarding taking girls out to dinner, I do it every trip. I do it not to impress the girl but because I don't like to eat alone and I like to have a sexy girl sitting next to me. I like getting my schlong rubbed under the table too. Great fun! Where else can you take a girl out for drinks and dinner and spend about $15?[/QUOTE]I've met (and like) Jackson, and think both our sites do a great job of informing members and letting them make better decisions on where they'd like to go on vacation and how to get the most out of their time while traveling. Sure, we have different ways of doing things. It would be easy for me to say "Well, I'd do this differently if I owned ISG". But I also realize that many of the ways this site is managed is because of its size, and would difficult and time consuming to duplicate my method for so many large sections.

As for the for and against of photos. I believe posting photos is the best way to get an idea of what you want. When I was a newbie, I was researching to see where I wanted to go based on pics. I was able to rule out quite a few destinations based on what type of girls they had, based on pics. If some guy had a thing for chubby girls, and didn't post pics, he could write a report saying "Went to American Samoa, and saw the best looking women in the world". If I bought a flight and landed in American Samoa to find massive looking chicks, I'd be pretty bummed to have gone to so much trouble for nothing. That's why pics matter.

I don't know what happened or didn't happen to Jonesie. I read his site and like the content. I was surprised at first at the number of pics posted but shrugged it off thinking the site doesn't have as many active members as this one and so would stay "under the radar" so to speak.

I think Jonesie is trying to do a valuable service by showing what kinds of girls you can find in the low-end casas, although I do realize posting the pics is technically in some cases a violation of privacy.

But I'm not going to pile on him. The legendary Cubanut used to post hundreds of pics, although towards the end of his run, he posted only clothed girls posing in a non-compromising context.

By the way, I've seen Jake's site and there's pics of girls on it too. His shutterfly page has nearly 200 pics, some of them of girls in a compromising and provocative context. Should I assume all gave consent to have their pic posted online? But this isn't meant as an attack, just trying to be fair.

But my main point is pics are important for sites like this one and Jonesie's and Jake's. We're guys. We need the visual stimulus. Info and advice is NOT enough, we need images to inspire and animate us. Once you've entered this world, pics (or videos) of photoshopped models and porno stars just don't cut it anymore. We're looking for the real thing. We WANT to see pics of real live women you can have sex with for money!

To preserve the value of sites like this one, we should be discussing ways to post pics more securely instead of sniping each other. Sadly, it looks like we'll all have to learn to use photo-editing software so faces can be blurred or cropped off. It looks like we'll have to learn to live with that in order to protect not just these forums but our hobby and way of life.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1794127]I simply asked for confirmation that you got beat up for the reasons I stated before. These casa owners here in Medellin don't like it when people come in and start.

Publishing reviews with photos about their girls and their places of business. The Sex casa business is subtle here in Medellin without advertising itself or making a big deal about it. He finally wore out his welcome with a lot of people including myself. He got what he had coming to him after writing reviews of the girls sexual performances and invading too many girls privacy! Publishing publicly too many photos against the permission of the girls who he gives a 20,000 peso tip after a session to take their private photo, but they almost never say yes when asked to be viewed publicly. The girls are poor and come from tough barrios and are connected to people who can end your life. I'm guessing all they had to do with Mike because he actually thinks the girls like him, was have one of the girls say hey baby meet me here, Surprise!

The confirmation came in confirming that you got beat up, no different than someone confirming closing time at a strip club, end of that story! You also confirmed that you have never stepped foot in my 6 bedroom 3. 5 Bathroom 24/7 security love palace! It may not be 5 star quality hotel, but its every bit as good as most of the places guys live in the states and nobody seems to be complaining, because I keep getting a steady flow of repeat customers and my reservations are looking good for the next two months, another words I'm doing well, which seemed to start just after I stopped posting with you, so that's the end of that story! The girlfriends my goodness, you have the audacity to take a shot at them though you've never even seen one much less been out with a girl end of that story. Finally the reason I'm still here is because Jackson gets it, competition is good for everyone, unlike the way you do business! The End! Time to get back to work its been fun!

Laura pictured below is so much fun to party with! I still have some space in November and December but its filling up fast!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.[/QUOTE]For the general public reading this, this is some shit Jake fantasized about, then actually wrote it on the forum. Both the part of me getting my ass kicked, and him being busy. Clearly not too busy to write some bullshit on Jax's forum.

I'm going to go with the 4 bedroom, 1 bathroom version a few of your former guests have claimed. Not because I've seen it personally, but because the same clown that's saying 6 bedroom 3. 5 bath is also the guy saying I got beat up. Do you see the connection? You don't do you?

If you're going to make shit up, why not just be like the Costa Rica guys and say you were in the CIA, or special forces. That's infinitely cooler and more interesting than saying I got my ass kicked. And much harder to dispel. I'm very visible, and tons of guys see me around town all the time. 'Ass kicked' is too easy to wash away.

It's not like this shit matters, you're not really in my orbit, and there's nothing in your world that affects mine. If you think you can get clients talking out your ass, have at it. You don't really matter to me.

So. Because some of you poor guys had to read through this Jerry Springer crap to get some info on your Medellin trip, I'll post a pic of the girl I pulled tonight, and a little because it pisses Jake off that I'm posting pics.

Angie is one of the girls you can find at Lindas Chicas. Lindas chicas is an upscale place downtown. Upscale meaning a couple things. First, the girls tend to be prettier, and the price is a little higher (you won't see Jake). The service is consistently good, and the atmosphere festive.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I am sick of these silly fights among members. To me if you have a beef with another fellow it would seem it best to use the private message to voice your thoughts. No need for the rest of us to wade though this stuff.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1794424]I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I am sick of these silly fights among members. To me if you have a beef with another fellow it would seem it best to use the private message to voice your thoughts. No need for the rest of us to wade though this stuff.[/QUOTE]Quit your crying and make a trip report if you do not like what is being posted!

I forgot you do not go anywhere other than to Florida so it is not possible.

Also it is not hard to just not read the posts you do not like, or use the ignore function that is available for anyone here on the ISG. You seem to do a lot of whining, and I am sure people get sick of that also.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1794424]I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I am sick of these silly fights among members. To me if you have a beef with another fellow it would seem it best to use the private message to voice your thoughts. No need for the rest of us to wade though this stuff.[/QUOTE]Not me, I find it most entertaining, a sort of "novella" for guys. Also informative, if it wasn't for them a guy could say or advertise anything, without ever being called out on it. Think it helps to keep mostly honest guys stay honest, most of the time, LOL.

BTW saw an very entertaining movie filmed in Bogota, "Blunt Force Trauma", about modern day gun fighters, wonder if Jonsie and Jake would want to settle their differences in like manner, probably not. Here's the trailer:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PBKU8Pm41I[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1794473]Not me, I find it most entertaining, a sort of "novella" for guys. Also informative, if it wasn't for them a guy could say or advertise anything, without ever being called out on it. Think it helps to keep mostly honest guys stay honest, most of the time, LOL.

BTW saw an very entertaining movie filmed in Bogota, "Blunt Force Trauma", about modern day gun fighters, wonder if Jonsie and Jake would want to settle their differences in like manner, probably not. Here's the trailer:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PBKU8Pm41I[/URL][/QUOTE]I think guns and knives are for cowards, and I really have no interest in fighting Jonesie because it wouldn't change are differences, rather it would intensify them even more! Plus I think Jonesie can hold his own pretty well, so its a lose lose for both of us. We just pummeled each other here with insults and as far as I'm concerned its over. Before this flair up, we had been just ignoring each other when we see each other down town and at Patricks and that is the way it will continue as far as I'm concerned going forward. He's got nothing to say to me of any interest and I'm sure he feels the same. Happy Halloween to everyone including Jonesie! Have a fun night!

Is this a Joke?

CAN or will anyone EVER pay her prices;.

[URL]http://www.chicasprepagocolombia.com/v01/medellincaliente.com/chicas-rubias-prepago-acompanante-norelis-penagos-1190[/URL]

Her ad says 25 why-o, which means 27-31 in reality.

Isn't little tom old to be a star in the world. I ordered a Perfect 10 from an agency once, just to have done it. I payed 400 mil pesos. For 1. 5 hs. She was a true perfect beauty. Operated, but done with such skill that both, breast and butt appeared 100% real- or should I sayn 99% since I noticed it. She was 20 y-o.

In Medellin 80% of the gilrs are under 30 why-o. Competition is fierce, it's the buyers market. Especially now when a strong recession hits the country.

I she has clients everyday, just one daytime and on TLN or something like that, she is up to 100 million pesos per month!

I recommend Kickboxer, he know how to get the prices down, often under 100 mil for 18 y-o cute babes.

I also like Legal Tender with his scholarship-strategy, Ricker giving advice about where the sweetest girls to be with is in north east Brasil;.

Well; with a simple calcule I got that the 10 percent most beautiful girls 18-30 in Medellin are 64.000.

How many are working-girls?

I really hope that we rich Western Guys and Estrato 5-6 colombians start to realize what favourable position we have.

Going to a prepago and paying 120+30 for BBBJ, that may be 15% of a guys monthly salary.

Nycpimp is also good to remind about this.

So far, after 5 long periods in Medellin since 2009; New Life is the only place where the price is where it should be. The rest is overpaying, or girls that would earn more selling caramellos in the street.

Be tuff, don't be Mr nice guy. This girls come from environment where the Law of the Jungle still are in effect, in contrast to what media says about peace. Etc.

Many girls also have no-repairable brain-damages due to bad nutrition during their first 0-10 years. And are stupid literally. They can be as many as up to 50% of the population!

The record of combining beauty with stupidity still holds by Juliana Elejalde; she wanted 20 million for sex, and claimed that the most that she had been offered was something like 35 million of 50 million for a weekend. She is also closing up to her 30th birthday, still living in a little room in her separated moms Envigado apartment.

I think we guys comes from good middle-class environment and can't really understand the mentality that these live by.

[QUOTE=RicardoTorres;1794431]Quit your crying and make a trip report if you do not like what is being posted!

I forgot you do not go anywhere other than to Florida so it is not possible.

Also it is not hard to just not read the posts you do not like, or use the ignore function that is available for anyone here on the ISG. You seem to do a lot of whining, and I am sure people get sick of that also.[/QUOTE][blue][Forum Complaint deleted by Admin][/blue]

Here are some tips and answers to the usual questions. Before you ask any question please use the search option for god sakes!

Looking for a place to stay that is chica friendly? Hotel and Apt questions go in the Hotel and Apt Topic.

Looking for 9/10's? Ssearch John's topic and filter through the drama. In the 8 years I've been going to mede he is the only guy with a solid lead to 9/10. Well my buddy had a gay guy who had the hook up but we fell out.

Is Colombia Dangerous? Yes Mede / Bogo are dangerous there was a murder in the bario that I buy weed in just the other day. Please just be extra careful, use common sense. If you don't see a Cafe Juan Valdez you're in a spot where you need to be extra careful.

Can I pick up / meet / how to. Normal girls in Colombia if I don't speak spanish? No you can't pull normal girls if you don't speak Spansih! Stop asking! In fact if you have to ask how to meet normal girls in Colombia there is a VERY good chance you have no chance at all and stick to working girls.

Normal girls. I've said it 100 times. Be the best you possible! Be smart, funny, cool, nice, generous, in ohter words don't be your normal self! Hahahah!

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[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1794695]Is this a Joke?

Many girls also have no-repairable brain-damages due to bad nutrition during their first 0-10 years. And are stupid literally. They can be as many as up to 50% of the population![/QUOTE]I don't know if this is true. For sure, if an infant is malnourished during the first two years of life, a reduced brain size is possible. This is certainly true in North Korea where famine is a fact of life. But, if the child is breast fed during the first two years of life, they have a good chance of normal development. Colombians eat more grass fed meats and free range chicken since they don't have food factory farms. Americans eat more crap food than anywhere on the planet.

A true indicator of health is the quality of the hair. Long, thick, full hair is a visual record of health. The chicas I see all have gorgeous hair.

The stupidity you speak of is true with most women, even American women, who are some of the dumbest cunts on the planet.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1794695]Is this a Joke?

CAN or will anyone EVER pay her prices;.

[URL]http://www.chicasprepagocolombia.com/v01/medellincaliente.com/chicas-rubias-prepago-acompanante-norelis-penagos-1190[/URL]

Her ad says 25 why-o, which means 27-31 in reality.[/QUOTE]Hey, I say the same about guys paying 400K. Different strokes for different folks. I guess super quality costs a little more than good quality which costs more than the run of the mill basic quality that I go for. To me it is not worth the price difference, but to many others it is.

Are China's welcome to the hotels or is that not allowed in Medellin?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1794875]Hey, I say the same about guys paying 400K. Different strokes for different folks. I guess super quality costs a little more than good quality which costs more than the run of the mill basic quality that I go for. To me it is not worth the price difference, but to many others it is.[/QUOTE]My guess is she is available elsewhere for a fraction of that price. However, she uses this ad in the hopes that some fool will pay that price every once in a while. If she gets say 1 sucker a month, she's making a killing.

[QUOTE=UncleMonger;1794880]Are China's welcome to the hotels or is that not allowed in Medellin?[/QUOTE]There is a specific section for hotel questions and apartments. [blue][Forum Complaint deleted by Admin][/blue]

Chinas? I assume you mean chicas. Most hotels will charge you per girl so make the resy for two girls and then sign them in and out. They must show valid ID. I find this to be a huge pain in the ass.

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I meant to ask if chicas are allowed to come with me to my hotel. Is that allowed in Medellin?

I am 100 percent sure you did not get permission from Angie to post her photo on your website. She is a sweet and shy girl. Will never would have allowed you to do so.

On a side note for 150 mil or so she is the almost the best you can get in medellin.

Face is bit off but body for sure makes up for it. All natural beauty. She used to work at Lindas Chicas but no more works there. Nancy the mamasan at Lindas Chicas consistently brings in good looking barrio girls.

Cost at Lindas Chicas are 2 hrs. 100 mil for the casa and 100 mil for the girl. Nancy generally adds up some baileys cost about 15 mil each so let's say 30 mil for that on top. So for short time it costs about 230 mil pesos. All night if you want to take out a girl from the casa then you pay 150 mil take out fees to nancy and for all night you can pay the girl between 200 mil to 250 mil pesos. All night works out bit better at total of 400 mil if guys are into doing all night instead of short time.

John.

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1794299]For the general public reading this, this is some shit Jake fantasized about, then actually wrote it on the forum. Both the part of me getting my ass kicked, and him being busy. Clearly not too busy to write some bullshit on Jax's forum.

I'm going to go with the 4 bedroom, 1 bathroom version a few of your former guests have claimed. Not because I've seen it personally, but because the same clown that's saying 6 bedroom 3. 5 bath is also the guy saying I got beat up. Do you see the connection? You don't do you?

If you're going to make shit up, why not just be like the Costa Rica guys and say you were in the CIA, or special forces. That's infinitely cooler and more interesting than saying I got my ass kicked. And much harder to dispel. I'm very visible, and tons of guys see me around town all the time. 'Ass kicked' is too easy to wash away.

It's not like this shit matters, you're not really in my orbit, and there's nothing in your world that affects mine. If you think you can get clients talking out your ass, have at it. You don't really matter to me.

So. Because some of you poor guys had to read through this Jerry Springer crap to get some info on your Medellin trip, I'll post a pic of the girl I pulled tonight, and a little because it pisses Jake off that I'm posting pics.

Angie is one of the girls you can find at Lindas Chicas. Lindas chicas is an upscale place downtown. Upscale meaning a couple things. First, the girls tend to be prettier, and the price is a little higher (you won't see Jake). The service is consistently good, and the atmosphere festive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1794299]
So. Because some of you poor guys had to read through this Jerry Springer crap to get some info on your Medellin trip, I'll post a pic of the girl I pulled tonight, and a little because it pisses Jake off that I'm posting pics.

Angie is one of the girls you can find at Lindas Chicas. Lindas chicas is an upscale place downtown. Upscale meaning a couple things. First, the girls tend to be prettier, and the price is a little higher (you won't see Jake). The service is consistently good, and the atmosphere festive.[/QUOTE]I'm confused. What does the feud you've been involved in and partly responsible for have to do with a girl you say you pulled from Lindas Chicas and did not authorize you to post her photo? It's very revealing that you posted this "trophy" to make up to the board for being a selfish MFer in the first place.

Are you an American? People have a right to privacy even in Colombia. Classless.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1795148]I'm confused. What does the feud you've been involved in and partly responsible for have to do with a girl you say you pulled from Lindas Chicas and did not authorize you to post her photo? It's very revealing that you posted this "trophy" to make up to the board for being a selfish MFer in the first place.

Are you an American? People have a right to privacy even in Colombia. Classless.[/QUOTE]Somewhere I read where Jonesie stated his parents were from Kiev, Russia. He may be an American citizen, I do not know, but what I do know is that he is 100% huckster. I was one of the idiots who supposedly purchased a lifetime membership to his CR website, which mysteriously ended after one year and was completely worthless as the only guys posting were Speedy1 and Jonesie and they were just regurgitating the same info I had already found on the other CR forum, plus his ongoing feuds.

It's because of these misfits who can't cut it in their own country, ie Cubadave and Jonesie, who try to make a living promoting themselves while exploiting others that I will be leaving my camera at home. Don't know if he got beat up or not but sure seems like someone who deserves it.

[QUOTE=John;1795141]I am 100 percent sure you did not get permission from Angie to post her photo on your website. She is a sweet and shy girl. Will never would have allowed you to do so.

On a side note for 150 mil or so she is the almost the best you can get in medellin.

Face is bit off but body for sure makes up for it. All natural beauty. She used to work at Lindas Chicas but no more works there. Nancy the mamasan at Lindas Chicas consistently brings in good looking barrio girls.

Cost at Lindas Chicas are 2 hrs. 100 mil for the casa and 100 mil for the girl. Nancy generally adds up some baileys cost about 15 mil each so let's say 30 mil for that on top. So for short time it costs about 230 mil pesos. All night if you want to take out a girl from the casa then you pay 150 mil take out fees to nancy and for all night you can pay the girl between 200 mil to 250 mil pesos. All night works out bit better at total of 400 mil if guys are into doing all night instead of short time.

John.[/QUOTE]John.

She is not a sweet and innocent kid anymore. She is a working girl now. She chose this herself and has been whoring for a while now. She is not so naive that she does not know the dangers of having nude photos taken. I happen to know that she loves being photographed. When I whipped out my phone to take a vicdeo, she was not the least bit concerned; she was only worried that her hair looked good.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1795064]There is a specific section for hotel questions and apartments. Since the Mods only censor my posts and don't move thing to where they belong. Fuck it.

Chinas? I assume you mean chicas. Most hotels will charge you per girl so make the resy for two girls and then sign them in and out. They must show valid ID. I find this to be a huge pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip slamcity!

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1795148]I'm confused. What does the feud you've been involved in and partly responsible for have to do with a girl you say you pulled from Lindas Chicas and did not authorize you to post her photo? It's very revealing that you posted this "trophy" to make up to the board for being a selfish MFer in the first place.

Are you an American? People have a right to privacy even in Colombia. Classless.[/QUOTE]You're confused? You asked a leading question, then answered it yourself, then followed up with an insult. I'd say confused is putting it lightly.

Yes that pic is Angie, and she freelances and charges the standard rate 150/300 all night and she is a good girl. Johnsie if she also works at lindas chicas, I didn't know that. She is only 18 or maybe barely 19. She also posts pics like this on her own facebook page so she probably wouldn't be overly pissed if she found it here. She also has a sister that is very pretty but I think probably [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] as the mansion won't let her in but she definitely works. The lesson here guys is be very f'and careful who you pull from the internet because any number of things can happen. One, it can be an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl, Two she can just be terrible and / or her pics can be old, three it can be a girl banned from places because of 'problems' you probably don't need, and fourth and most insidious, it can be a setup for robbery, extortion, or worse. Most veterans can parse this shit out, but if you are new to the game than be careful.

Johnsie is well aware that posting pics has risks and he is willing to take the risk. Lecturing him on it from Missouri or whatever is a LOL moment. I have heard nothing about him getting beat up around town and people talk.

As for Jake, it has been quite some time but I have showed up alone on the strength of his website to try something new and stayed there for several days before I bailed and got a hotel. I will settle this once and for all: Jake has a typical family three bedroom apartment on the fifth floor of a family apartment complex tucked way in the back of patio bonito. There is nothing to do around there that does not involve a cab or a long walk. When you walk in the front door there is a small bathroom with a sink and toilet, no shower, on the right. On the left is what used to be the family room, but they sectioned it off and made a bedroom out of it. Jakes friend lives in this room. Behind the laundry room past the kitchen is a very small bedroom, like maids quarters, that may or may not have its own bathroom. There is also Jake's bedroom, where he spends most of his time on the computer or whatever and I assume it has its own bathroom, but no one goes in there but him and his girlfriend. They built several wooden partitions and they have placed a bed and lease the small patio as a bedroom, it is not. The common area in front of this porch is basically where one would put a dining room table, but it is a small circular table with four chairs. This is where you will hang out if you hang out at all. The remaining actual two bedrooms are to the left, and yes everyone shares a bathroom including a friend of Jakes who lives there.

Jake charges for the girl, whether he admits it or not. It is built into the price of sleeping on his porch, or behind his laundry room, or in one of the actual two rooms for hire. I can't confirm this but one of the girls asked me for more money because she said Jake charged her 40,000 pesos out of what she made. He has no one cleaning up and the towels are old and filthy as are the sheets and pillow cases, the floors are dirty, and the bathroom is like a hostel bathroom. For some (many?) of the guys here, it must feel just like home and they may not even notice it. For me I like someone making my bed, changing my sheets, and keeping for floor clean while I am on vacation. I am not judging here, simply "reporting" as this is a reporting site.

He has quite a few young girls, 19 ish, available for his 'girlfriend experience'. If the condition of his house is okay with you, and you want to parade a young girl around park lleras, then by all means do it. Problems? They want a lot of money $200-250,and Jake says they earn it by giving you the GFE date. However most of them are clock watching and want to be out by 11 or so. So if you spend all your time dancing and strutting around lleras, your screwed. Barely. You can also call up a girl like Angie if you are vetted, sure of yourself, speak some spanish, have her come to your apartment, take her to dinner, spend the night, and leave in the morning for just a little more. If you aren't ready for this and live in poor housekeeping, pack up and head to Jake's place. He will fix you right up. Positive note: jake tells these girls if they don't show you a good time he won't call them back and they believe him, so they do until around 11, then they want to go home. By then it is lights out in the house.

If you want hand holding, Jake will take you to the casas in the day and wherever you want at night, but he will charge you. He is a nice guy, a big strong fella who could probably kick your ass but won't, and I think most people wouldn't mess with him without a gun, colombian or not. He will probably get you around safely and you will have fun, and I think you will like his girls unless you like them big. This is as honest as I can be.

Would I stay with him again? No unless things have drastically changed in the past year or so. From what I have read I don't think they have. Would I recommend him? Yes. With a caveat.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1795176]Somewhere I read where Jonesie stated his parents were from Kiev, Russia. [/QUOTE]That would be impossible, since Kiev is not in Russia.

Can it be anymore obvious, Jonesie = TimeToPlay, and if is not, he has someone posting the commentary on his behalf.

Very childish to have to resort to this type of behavior Jonesie.

Vladimir Putin says it is part of what he calls "Grand Russia" Ukrainians disagree.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1795367]That would be impossible, since Kiev is not in Russia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UncleMonger;1795247]Thanks for the tip slamcity![/QUOTE]Very welcom Uncle M.

I just ask you report back when possible and kick down your knowledge to the next guy. And post stuff in the right area.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1795290]There is nothing to do around there that does not involve a cab or a long walk.

yes everyone shares a bathroom

He has no one cleaning up and the towels are old and filthy as are the sheets and pillow cases, the floors are dirty, and the bathroom is like a hostel bathroom. For some (many?) of the guys here, it must feel just like home and they may not even notice it. For me I like someone making my bed, changing my sheets, and keeping for floor clean while I am on vacation. I am not judging here, simply "reporting" as this is a reporting site.

Problems? They want a lot of money $200-250,and Jake says they earn it by giving you the GFE date. However most of them are clock watching and want to be out by 11 or so.

[/QUOTE]Yes it is a quiet neighborhood, don't hear beeping horns, bar music till 3 am-some people like being able to rest from their weary journey.

Jake has his own bathroom, the little room has it's own and there's the 1/ 1/2, so 3. 5 total.

I was there in Aug, Louisa comes in weekly and does a great job cleaning, the room I was in had a new mattress, Jake came I one day w / stack of new towels and on another day safes, another fresh flower-he does make an effort.

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After making a dozen trips to CR, to the point of disgust, the never ending disappointments in everything, I do not remember a single hotel where everything worked or was as advertised. The Cocal was the closest but even the jr suite at $210/ night the sliding glass door would not close and just opened enough to squeeze through. Missing frig / hot frig, a / see that can't be turned off, 15 W light bulbs seem to be the norm.

I had learned that the best thing I could do to insure a fun trip was to have an open mind. Things I really wanted to do and expected to do were either a major let down or non-existent. But it was the things / experiences that I never expected that saved the day.

No the place wasn't like I expected and initially disappointing. But having a full kitchen, and being in a quiet neighborhood, also quieter than a hotel cause you don't have foot traffic outside your door at all hrs. The groundskeepers start at 7 am but that's a hell of a lot better than the incessant back-up alarm on a delivery truck at 4 am. And then there's the unique people you meet who you'll never forget, like Eric. And so, by focusing on the positive things, I felt that I had a better time at Jake's than I would have had in a noisy hotel where I need to be around for when the maid comes. (I used to stay at Mona Lisa in SJO).

I only went for a round of drinks, then back to Jakes, most of the time was done w / date by 10 pm. I paid every one 150 k plus 20 k for taxi as advised by Jake.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1795367]That would be impossible, since Kiev is not in Russia.[/QUOTE]Maybe his parents immigrated to America when Kiev was in the commie period.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1795383]Can it be anymore obvious, Jonesie = TimeToPlay, and if is not, he has someone posting the commentary on his behalf.

Very childish to have to resort to this type of behavior Jonesie.[/QUOTE]I feel that, given how poor an idea making a 1-post sock puppet is, it's more likely someone from his Colombia site came to whiteknight for him without realizing the implications of having someone's first post defend one person and discredit another.

All I got to say to this is posting photos on websites without getting permission is just stupid on top Classless. Secondly I know for sure Angie is looking for a photo of Jonesie. Let's see him post his fucking photos on this website and we will see how good he feels after being visited by some good old Barrio guys. Angie messaged me yesterday asking for Jonesie photos. Obviously she wants to know who has posted photos not to say Hello, to him.

For the record I did not even mention her nothing about this post she on her own find out and was wanting to know who the guy is that posted those photos.

I don't come to Colombia to get involved in stupidities. So I told her I will see who the guy is but bottom line I have no interest in partaking with any of this mess.

All I got to say the Girl of the month is looking for you Jonesie.

It only takes one bad move on our part as gringos to get into very bad situations in Colombia.

So guys be careful here. Be safe. Always assume that when you take photos of girls is for yourself and never for public distribution, that is a normal human assumption. Further if you are in Colombia always assume that if you were to post the pics on websites it can hurt you very bad in the long run.

John.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1795243]John.

She is not a sweet and innocent kid anymore. She is a working girl now. She chose this herself and has been whoring for a while now. She is not so naive that she does not know the dangers of having nude photos taken. I happen to know that she loves being photographed. When I whipped out my phone to take a vicdeo, she was not the least bit concerned; she was only worried that her hair looked good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John;1795741]For the record I did not even mention her nothing about this post she on her own find out and was wanting to know who the guy is that posted those photos.

John[/QUOTE]I don't believe you for a minute.

OK GUYS, ATTENTION:

Do not mention names of girls on this forum. Do not mention anything on here except the weather, restaurants, etc. Forget about pictures.

Because of guys like this, anything written here will be communicated to the girls. It happens over and over.

Pretty pathetic, really.

Two guys from this forum are actively discussing what goes on here with Angie. Little beta bitches that they are.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1795383]Can it be anymore obvious, Jonesie = TimeToPlay, and if is not, he has someone posting the commentary on his behalf.

Very childish to have to resort to this type of behavior Jonesie.[/QUOTE]Neither is my style amigo. I don't post as 3rd party users, ever. Someone has a problem with Jonesie, here I am.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1795730]I feel that, given how poor an idea making a 1-post sock puppet is, it's more likely someone from his Colombia site came to whiteknight for him without realizing the implications of having someone's first post defend one person and discredit another.[/QUOTE]Neither. I am a guy who hasn't posted that lives part time in Medellin, part time in the states. In the past before I was coming so much to Medellin I stayed with Jake for several days. If I was here to "white knight" Jonesie, I would have said bad things about Jake, which I did not. I described his apartment, said real things about the cleanliness, how many bedrooms which is always reported wrong, including from Jake, said he was a nice guy, said I would recommend him with a caveat (which is if you want maid service and a clean place and privacy, go elsewhere. If you want to party hard with young girls and don't mind that stuff, go there). I tried to give a real review, something that is supposed to be done on these types of sites. You may have noticed that some of my information about Jake's place directly contradicted what Jonesie said about it, including the number of bathrooms, rooms, etc. If you don't appreciate my post, bug off.

As far as white knighting Jonesie, all I said is people talk and I hadn't heard of him getting beat up. I said not one thing, positive or negative about him. We used to post pictures online and it always led to problems. Always. Idiots like indicated in the previous post tell the girls their picture is up and the shit hits the fan.

This site is full of petulant children, much different than it was years ago when I was a senior member of the DR forum under a different name. I stopped posting due to a relationship that ended a few years ago and have been lurking. Just so you know, I have been to the Dr over a hundred times, have lived in two different places in Colombia, have traveled extensively in Peru, Argentina (hey Jackson, long time no see) all over the Caribbean and have spent a lot of time in Asia. If this is a sock of Anyone, I give Jackson permission to post my name in this forum, right now right here.

If you guys want to fight instead of real talk about places you have been, have at it. I am not joining the fray. If you find no value in the things I said in my first post, scroll up or down.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1795730]I feel that, given how poor an idea making a 1-post sock puppet is, it's more likely someone from his Colombia site came to whiteknight for him without realizing the implications of having someone's first post defend one person and discredit another.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1795730]I feel that, given how poor an idea making a 1-post sock puppet is, it's more likely someone from his Colombia site came to whiteknight for him without realizing the implications of having someone's first post defend one person and discredit another.[/QUOTE]Neither. I am a guy who hasn't posted that lives part time in Medellin, part time in the states. I don't post on the other site, at least not yet. If I don't find a place here I just might go take a look. In the past before I was coming so much to Medellin I stayed with Jake for several days. If I was here to "white knight" Jonesie, I would have said bad things about Jake, which I did not. I described his apartment, said real things about the cleanliness, how many bedrooms which is always reported wrong, including from Jake, said he was a nice guy, said I would recommend him with a caveat (which is if you want maid service and a clean place and privacy, go elsewhere. If you want to party hard with young girls and don't mind that stuff, go there). I tried to give a real review, something that is supposed to be done on these types of sites. You may have noticed that some of my information about Jake's place directly contradicted what Jonesie said about it, including the number of bathrooms, rooms, etc. If you don't appreciate my post, bug off.

As far as white knighting Jonesie, all I said is people talk and I hadn't heard of him getting beat up. I said not one thing, positive or negative about him. We used to post pictures online and it always led to problems. Always. Idiots like indicated in the previous post tell the girls their picture is up and the shit hits the fan.

This site is full of petulant children, much different than it was years ago when I was a senior member of the DR forum under a different name. I stopped posting due to a relationship that ended a few years ago and have been lurking. Just so you know, I have been to the Dr over a hundred times, have lived in two different places in Colombia, have traveled extensively in Peru, Argentina (hey Jackson, long time no see) all over the Caribbean and have spent a lot of time in Asia. If this is a sock of Anyone, I give Jackson permission to post my name in this forum, right now right here.

If you guys want to fight instead of real talk about places you have been, have at it. I am not joining the fray. If you find no value in the things I said in my first post, scroll up or down.

As far as Angie, she is known far and wide in Poblado. I never knew she was working in a casa, but she certainly shows up a lot as a freelancer and I do think people should be careful ordering girls off Facebook for the reasons I stated. Any more questions?

[QUOTE=John;1795741]All I got to say to this is posting photos on websites without getting permission is just stupid on top Classless. Secondly I know for sure Angie is looking for a photo of Jonesie. Let's see him post his fucking photos on this website and we will see how good he feels after being visited by some good old Barrio guys. Angie messaged me yesterday asking for Jonesie photos. Obviously she wants to know who has posted photos not to say Hello, to him.

For the record I did not even mention her nothing about this post she on her own find out and was wanting to know who the guy is that posted those photos.

I don't come to Colombia to get involved in stupidities. So I told her I will see who the guy is but bottom line I have no interest in partaking with any of this mess.

All I got to say the Girl of the month is looking for you Jonesie.

It only takes one bad move on our part as gringos to get into very bad situations in Colombia.


John.[/QUOTE]Jesus christ I don't think I want to stay around here, you guys are narking each other out about photos? What the Hell?

[QUOTE=John;1795741]Angie messaged me yesterday asking for Jonesie photos. Obviously she wants to know who has posted photos not to say Hello, to him.

John.[/QUOTE]Most of that is true. Except you left out the part about she messaged you. BACK.

I'll never understand why guys do this. I doubt in the history of the hobby, any women has given a snitch-discount to a guy ratting out his fellow mongers. Is there some kind of imaginary sense of intimacy involved? Do they fantasize about playing house with these girls? Based on what, the strength of him being a rat?

[QUOTE=John;1795741]All I got to say to this is posting photos on websites without getting permission is just stupid on top Classless. Secondly I know for sure Angie is looking for a photo of Jonesie. Let's see him post his fucking photos on this website and we will see how good he feels after being visited by some good old Barrio guys. Angie messaged me yesterday asking for Jonesie photos. Obviously she wants to know who has posted photos not to say Hello, to him.

For the record I did not even mention her nothing about this post she on her own find out and was wanting to know who the guy is that posted those photos.

I don't come to Colombia to get involved in stupidities. So I told her I will see who the guy is but bottom line I have no interest in partaking with any of this mess.

All I got to say the Girl of the month is looking for you Jonesie.

It only takes one bad move on our part as gringos to get into very bad situations in Colombia.

So guys be careful here. Be safe. Always assume that when you take photos of girls is for yourself and never for public distribution, that is a normal human assumption. Further if you are in Colombia always assume that if you were to post the pics on websites it can hurt you very bad in the long run.

John[/QUOTE]That is "Real Talk" and you are absolutely correct John. Referring back to a previous post of mine, I will never forget the problems that were created when that stupid motherfuker walked into LDV in Cartagena with the copied photos in his hand of two of my friends that worked at LDV that I had posted on this forum. It destroyed a very good friendship for one, and secondly it taught me a very valuable lesson. I have to say I was watching my own back in fear of retaliation for months, especially in Cartagena where it is a big city, but a small one at the same time, as everyone knows everybody, especially like me who was a monthly visitor at the time.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1795706]Maybe his parents immigrated to America when Kiev was in the commie period.[/QUOTE]Then it was part of the [B]Soviet Union[/B]. That still doesn't make it part of [B]Russia[/B]. It was the "Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic. ".

[QUOTE=OldParr;1795819]That is "Real Talk" and you are absolutely correct John. Referring back to a previous post of mine, I will never forget the problems that were created when that stupid motherfuker walked into LDV in Cartagena with the copied photos in his hand of two of my friends that worked at LDV that I had posted on this forum. It destroyed a very good friendship for one, and secondly it taught me a very valuable lesson. I have to say I was watching my own back in fear of retaliation for months, especially in Cartagena where it is a big city, but a small one at the same time, as everyone knows everybody, especially like me who was a monthly visitor at the time.[/QUOTE]Was this during a time with a bunch of guys from an old forum were there, like 15 of us and the initials of the forum was SMV? If so, I know you and I know the guy who did that. If it isn't, then it was just another time some idiot ratted out on someone from a forum because he thought it made him big in the eyes of some working girl. I see a lot hasn't changed.

If it was that time, some 12 years or so ago, Then that is a clue to whom I am and we may be friends irl. Please just indicate whether it was or not and then if so give me a way to contact you outside of the forum. You can confirm for sure I am not "jonesie or anybody else.

You don't have to be a detective to see that I wrote an open ended question on whether anyone heard about someone getting beat up in centro without using any names? If Jonesie hadn't replied there may not have been another mention of it but he came back and out of no where to attack and defend. Yes, he knew that I knew what happened to him, but rather than waiting for someone to say his name he obviously showed his guilt. At this point just come clean and tell us what happened, was it two or three guys were they armed did they warn you and did you get in a few good shots?

Hey I have a nice washer and dryer and I have a professional named Luisa who comes by to clean and who also gives a great massage and more, so the place is clean enough, but if you here to have your bed made every day my place is not for you! We are here for guys who want to get laid by young fun girls that are not giving them the time of day in the states, because the uptight USA culture doesn't allow it. Even seasoned guys with Spanish can't just arrive and pull something nice to go have a nice date and sex with. I don't care what some of these guys say. I'm not looking for (Jonsie) monger types who just want a nut and go back to being by themselves. The guys that come here are usually professionals and like to go out and have fun, party sometimes dance and know their going to score with their date later in the evening, whether it 11 pm or 12 during the weekday, or 1 or 2 am during the weekends, because these girls have lives, some go to school and some have to be home because these girls are decent girls, and some guys do find a spark of love from time to time! Pictured below is so much fun to party with and get a little crazy with!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=OldParr;1795819]That is "Real Talk" and you are absolutely correct John. Referring back to a previous post of mine, I will never forget the problems that were created when that stupid motherfuker walked into LDV in Cartagena with the copied photos in his hand of two of my friends that worked at LDV that I had posted on this forum. It destroyed a very good friendship for one, and secondly it taught me a very valuable lesson. I have to say I was watching my own back in fear of retaliation for months, especially in Cartagena where it is a big city, but a small one at the same time, as everyone knows everybody, especially like me who was a monthly visitor at the time.[/QUOTE]In CR, it's not uncommon for ticos to go in asking for particular girls based on good reviews the see on their FOROS site which is huge, BTW. Some chicas think of it as advertising, but some wish to remain as anonymous as possible.

If someone recommends a girl who works at a particular casa. I then print copied photos, go to the mamasan and ask if this girl is available, because I heard good things about her. Did I just commit a faux pax the equivalent of slapping the baby Jesus?

OR is the problem the fact that a girl does not want any pic or information out there PERIOD because she doesn't want to take a chance getting caught doing what she isn't supposed to be doing? IOW she doesn't ever want anyone she knows to know about it. In that case the "real villain" is the guy who posted the pics, that were supposed to be for him only, which he agreed not to put on the internet but did. Now that he's been caught lying he tries to turn it around and shift the blame some newby who is simply trying to locate a particular girl?

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1795760]Neither. I am a guy who hasn't posted that lives part time in Medellin, part time in the states. I don't post on the other site, at least not yet. If I don't find a place here I just might go take a look. In the past before I was coming so much to Medellin I stayed with Jake for several days. If I was here to "white knight" Jonesie, I would have said bad things about Jake, which I did not. I described his apartment, said real things about the cleanliness, how many bedrooms which is always reported wrong, including from Jake, said he was a nice guy, said I would recommend him with a caveat (which is if you want maid service and a clean place and privacy, go elsewhere. If you want to party hard with young girls and don't mind that stuff, go there). I tried to give a real review, something that is supposed to be done on these types of sites. You may have noticed that some of my information about Jake's place directly contradicted what Jonesie said about it, including the number of bathrooms, rooms, etc. If you don't appreciate my post, bug off.[/QUOTE]Whoa, whoa, whoa; put the six-shooters away, amigo. My apologies if you are in fact not Jonesie, but you've got to think about how your first post looks to a stranger, especially without any of the background information you subsequently provided. I think most forums develop a slightly standoffish mentality due to the underlying secrecy and need to watch one's own back within our hobby. My thinking had nothing to do with criticizing your resume, LOL -- I'm a Colombia rookie myself, but my first non-Tijuana experience in Latin America was Sosua after roughly a half-decade of mongering in Asia. Having said that, I also don't expect people to know that about me the first time I post, and I make an effort to post accordingly, as it's hard to trust the words of an unknown, uncredentialed person -- both in real life and on a forum.

Again, sorry if I caused any offense, and welcome to the CO boards.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1795761]Jesus christ I don't think I want to stay around here, you guys are narking each other out about photos? What the Hell?[/QUOTE]Well don't run too far, because that's just how Latin America-centric boards are these days. Regardless of the country, "How much should I pay?" and "Should I post photos of girls if _ are common fare, and thus get argued about more than other topics as well. Sometimes you got to sift through the muck to get to the gold.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1795761]Jesus christ I don't think I want to stay around here, you guys are narking each other out about photos? What the Hell?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Jonesie;1795766]Most of that is true. Except you left out the part about she messaged you. BACK.

I'll never understand why guys do this. I doubt in the history of the hobby, any women has given a snitch-discount to a guy ratting out his fellow mongers. Is there some kind of imaginary sense of intimacy involved? Do they fantasize about playing house with these girls? Based on what, the strength of him being a rat?[/QUOTE]TimeToPlay made his post at 8:53 am.

Jonsie made his post at 9:01 am.

Very hilarious, but they are not one of the same. LMFAO.

Wait. This Angie's photo is posted here and a day later she's asking who did it? Does this sound a little screwy to anyone here?

Who is the panty-waste that informed her of this? That was a piece-of-shit stunt, whoever did it. And I say this generally having fondness for my fellow mongers. One can make a pretty good guess.

[QUOTE=Combo;1795888]Wait. This Angie's photo is posted here and a day later she's asking who did it? Does this sound a little screwy to anyone here?

Who is the panty-waste that informed her of this? That was a piece-of-shit stunt, whoever did it. And I say this generally having fondness for my fellow mongers. One can make a pretty good guess.[/QUOTE]Exacatamente!

You can hate Jonsie for posting a picture but the real douche is the guy who told her.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1795751]I don't believe you for a minute.

OK GUYS, ATTENTION:

Do not mention names of girls on this forum. Do not mention anything on here except the weather, restaurants, etc. Forget about pictures.

Because of guys like this, anything written here will be communicated to the girls. It happens over and over.
Pretty pathetic, really.

Two guys from this forum are actively discussing what goes on here with Angie. Little beta bitches that they are.[/QUOTE]Can we talk about the serous stuff. The chronicles of Jonesie and Jake is becoming tiringl. StevanH can you share more of what happened to your blind friend in Sosua? You posted that he needed some help in Sosua when he was going on a Puta excursion and that he knew martial arts. Here is your post from the DR board:

"Help from the brothers.

Guys,

I am trying to help a young friend out. He is a 22 year old guy who wants to move to Dominican Republic. He asked me for help because I travel to other parts of central / south America, but I have never been to Dominican Republic. This young guy is very outgoing and resourceful but he is blind. He is also a martial arts expert (trainer) and can handle himself very well (he is actually a deadly guy if he has an issue). He thinks he wants to move to either Santo Domingo, Santiago or Puerto Plata. Ideally, I want to get him set up in a Spanish immersion course (he speaks no Spanish). I think helping place him in a home where they help with the Spanish immersion would probably help. He is a not a monger and wants to find a girl friend.

If any of you guys can help me, I would appreciate it. I would really enjoy speaking with you by phone. Please PM me if you are inclined to help.

Thanks in advance!

I know how it is when you're sitting back in the states and want to read real reports filled with stories about young sexy ladies so I will try to recall some details from my trip. This was my second trip to Medellion and I still have basically no Spanish skills but with a little effort and patience it's still possible to have a blast here. I will say there has been some increased coverages of taxi robbings going on here. Guys can do as they please but my advice is just to try to limit yourself as a target. When I went out I always pretty much wear jeans or cargo pants and a plan solid T, no watch no jewelry, and sneakers. I know this has been debated to nausea on here, so I'll leave it at that. I will admit there are still times in centro where I have gotten disoriented or struggled to find a place, but my strategy is to always walk like I know where I'm going and on a mission even if that means extra walking or circling back. By doing these steps I have never felt worried about my safety or had any issues with any locals.

I started each of my days with casa runs, usually favoring half hour visits for between 35-38 pesos depending on the casa. I found new life to be the busiest during my trips with the most girls and customers. Sexy amigas my fav from last trip was down a little in terms of quality, coffee shop had a cute older hostess available, [URL]puntachicas.com[/URL] had larger line ups but not many flacitas. I was about 50% at getting BBBJ. Zandalay hit me with and extra 10 k pesos for it either being Halloween or Saturday whatever not that big of deal but we all know it was a gringo tax.

I really liked the progress conijeatas is making on there rooms, those are some nice fuck chambers. I found the quality to be down there a little bit as well but I wasn't there late at night. Hit up bar exutiva and the one right next to it. It was Friday right before Halloween and these places were hopping with sexy ladies. Spent most of my time at bar E due to the place next door painting the restrooms and making the whole place smell like gasoline. Bar E had one of the sexiest girls I've seen this trip, "My", but she was dumb and spent the whole night talking to her co workers instead of working the room. I thought about pulling the trigger on Allison the red head and she knows how to work the stage but saw this young Selena Gomez look alike and went with her instead. Her sex performance was pretty weak but she was damn hot so she was still okay with me. 70 k.

Finally I got the whatsapp of a girl from a member here, I liked her so much I ended up over nighting her twice. She was by far the most GFE of my trip, I've never been attacked with DFK from a working girl like I was her, hours of GFE love making, every position possible and stayed longer than I expected each time. She was also smoking hot, nice a skinny, with the best set of DSL I've seen in Medellion. I paid her 250 k each night, possibly could of gone lower, but I try to be fair and she earned it. BTW, she is looking for customers.

Side note, I enjoyed the food, everybody always complains about the food but I find the service to be way worse than the food. I usually ate good meals in centro during the day of fish, bean soup, and sides for under 9 k.

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;1795968]I found new life to be the busiest during my trips with the most girls and customers. Sexy amigas my fav from last trip was down a little in terms of quality, coffee shop had a cute older hostess available, [URL]puntachicas.com[/URL] had larger line ups but not many flacitas. I was about 50% at getting BBBJ. Zandalay hit me with and extra 10 k pesos for it either being Halloween or Saturday whatever not that big of deal but we all know it was a gringo tax.

I really liked the progress conijeatas is making on there rooms, those are some nice fuck chambers. I found the quality to be down there a little bit as well but I wasn't there late at night. Hit up bar exutiva and the one right next to it. It was Friday right before Halloween and these places were hopping with sexy ladies. Spent most of my time at bar E due to the place next door painting the restrooms and making the whole place smell like gasoline. Bar E had one of the sexiest girls I've seen this trip, "My", but she was dumb and spent the whole night talking to her co workers instead of working the room. I thought about pulling the trigger on Allison the red head and she knows how to work the stage but saw this young Selena Gomez look alike and went with her instead. Her sex performance was pretty weak but she was damn hot so she was still okay with me. 70 k.[/QUOTE]Nice report! But you could have skipped that first paragraph, easier to read. Taxi ripoff and safety concerns have been discussed ad nauseam.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1795987]Nice report! But you could have skipped that first paragraph, easier to read. Taxi ripoff and safety concerns have been discussed ad nauseam.[/QUOTE]I considered leaving it out, but I just wanted to give lurkers and newbies some reassurance that Medellion can be safe and fun for non Spanish speakers if they are aware of their surroundings.

[QUOTE=Combo;1795888]Who is the panty-waste that informed her of this? That was a piece-of-shit stunt, whoever did it. And I say this generally having fondness for my fellow mongers. One can make a pretty good guess.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=EstebanH;1795935]Exacatamente!

You can hate Jonsie for posting a picture but the real douche is the guy who told her.[/QUOTE]Even a child can see that the whole problem begins with a lie, then betrayal by the guy who posts unauthorized pics. If he didn't do that there would be NO problem, period, end of story.

Your backwards logic wouldn't get past a jury of 1st graders, much less some outed chica's brothers. Being in Colombia does not relieve anyone of personal responsibility. That's like the guys who blames the chicken, which he let out, when it comes home to roost and shits all over his car.

Agreed 1000%. I don't approve of Jonesie posting the photos but whoever did sent Angie any kind of information on the board, that person is a bigger douche bag. By the way Jonesie, I am sure we don't know each other but rest assured I did not message Angie. I have not seen her for a while and 99.9% have no intention of seeing her for my self ever again unless I get stuck in medellin without a girl at 4 am and she is available to jump in taxi I am done with her and those who know me very well know this.

I did meet Angie sometime ago and have only had one session with her so not a repeat for me. She is beautiful does good service but she is not something I am looking for bottom line I have not much to gain by ratting you out here.

John.

[QUOTE=Combo;1795888]Wait. This Angie's photo is posted here and a day later she's asking who did it? Does this sound a little screwy to anyone here?

Who is the panty-waste that informed her of this? That was a piece-of-shit stunt, whoever did it. And I say this generally having fondness for my fellow mongers. One can make a pretty good guess.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1795861]In CR, it's not uncommon for ticos to go in asking for particular girls based on good reviews the see on their FOROS site which is huge, BTW. Some chicas think of it as advertising, but some wish to remain as anonymous as possible.

If someone recommends a girl who works at a particular casa. I then print copied photos, go to the mamasan and ask if this girl is available, because I heard good things about her. Did I just commit a faux pax the equivalent of slapping the baby Jesus?[/QUOTE]This is exactly why I would never post a pic, ever. If you are copying pics off of the net and handing them to a mamasan or girl, you have just do e what Old Parr complains about and pretty much what just happened in this thread. Does no one else see this? Don't you understand this can set off a chain of events that endangers the person who posted?

Old Parr your detective work not withstanding, my posting time is irrelevant because I am on moderation and whatever I write gets posted at the whim of a moderator. I am typing this at 7:30 am EST from the states.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796010]Even a child can see that the whole problem begins with a lie, then betrayal by the guy who posts unauthorized pics. If he didn't do that there would be NO problem, period, end of story.

Your backwards logic wouldn't get past a jury of 1st graders, much less some outed chica's brothers. Being in Colombia does not relieve anyone of personal responsibility. That's like the guys who blames the chicken, which he let out, when it comes home to roost and shits all over his car.[/QUOTE]You must be new to this type of forum. At least 90 percent of the photos on every site are not taken with permission and intended for the use / benefit of the forum members only. Printing said pics and bringing them to the cases as you indicated in a prior post, or admonishing the person taking the pic is not really what normally transpires on a sex forum.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1795861]In CR, it's not uncommon for ticos to go in asking for particular girls based on good reviews the see on their FOROS site which is huge, BTW. Some chicas think of it as advertising, but some wish to remain as anonymous as possible.

If someone recommends a girl who works at a particular casa. I then print copied photos, go to the mamasan and ask if this girl is available, because I heard good things about her. Did I just commit a faux pax the equivalent of slapping the baby Jesus?

OR is the problem the fact that a girl does not want any pic or information out there PERIOD because she doesn't want to take a chance getting caught doing what she isn't supposed to be doing? IOW she doesn't ever want anyone she knows to know about it. In that case the "real villain" is the guy who posted the pics, that were supposed to be for him only, which he agreed not to put on the internet but did. Now that he's been caught lying he tries to turn it around and shift the blame some newby who is simply trying to locate a particular girl?[/QUOTE]If you pull out a picture, you have outed someone who is trying to help the community (meaning you!) and, the girl who needs to build a book of regular, sane, horny gringo clients on basically, the down-low. Do what you can to nurture a Professional Working Relationship with these women, meaning, Don't serve up a made-to-Order reason for her or the Mamasan to go ape-shit bat-fuck crazy on you for not understanding their culture (or the helpful monger trying to level the playing field for the Newbie like you). Prostitution is legal in Colombia but she probably doesn't want her family or neighbors knowing she isn't going to an office job. If you like them 18-20 and thin say so if you think it might help, but don't flash a mug shot or a nude. Read the Forums. You have hours of homework to be informed. And it can be fun reading. But photos are a No Go. Discussions of other clients, unless he gave you her # and gave you an intro / called her, is not well received in our world or their culture. Being 'presented' or vouched for is huge in the Latin world. It is how things are done. Try to respect that with fellow mongers intel when speaking with the ladies. In short, treat the information you get here as if you are being given the exam questions and answers for the final exam without the teacher's knowledge. Get it? You are treated as an above average student / client, and it keeps you from giving papaya. Dar Papaya. Don't spoil it for the next guy and remember these gals have rent to pay in a world where the avg person makes $1-1.50 USD a an hour. You are giving them more than a days pay at COP 35-60 K for a half hour to an hour of their time in private. Even of they are looking to build a book of clients, remember they want their private lives to stay private. Like you want your private life to stay private back home. If all the secretaries / co-workers / neighbors knew you were going to Medellin to bust a nut with younger-than-they-are hotties for chump change so you could escape their Feminist Pussy Prison, how would that affect you? Act accordingly. Don't out Mongers. Don't show photos. If she won't agree to your price and terms, walk. You have the ultimate negotiating tool- cash. The whole fucking town, and the particular massage parlor you are in, is loaded with gorgeous Latin vaginas, and there is another Massage Parlor just around the corner and they know it! If you can't work your deal, walk. Don't pull out visual aides. If someone vouches for you with a text to a girl, act like you are brand new to town and just needed a little nudge to find some company and got lucky. Simple. "I'm new to town" (with confidence) will take you a long way. Last, a tip of 10-20 K cop is 2-6 bucks, if she gave you a solid effort, is a nice touch. Skip lunch back home 1 time and let her know you appreciated her effort. You will be remembered. If questioned, you 'heard it at the bar' and give an I-don't-care / know-what-the-fuck-you-are-talking-about stare to the person asking the question of you.

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;1795968]I know how it is when you're sitting back in the states and want to read real reports filled with stories about young sexy ladies so I will try to recall some details from my trip. This was my second trip to Medellion and I still have basically no Spanish skills but with a little effort and patience it's still possible to have a blast here. I will say there has been some increased coverages of taxi robbings going on here. Guys can do as they please but my advice is just to try to limit yourself as a target. When I went out I always pretty much wear jeans or cargo pants and a plan solid T, no watch no jewelry, and sneakers. I know this has been debated to nausea on here, so I'll leave it at that. I will admit there are still times in centro where I have gotten disoriented or struggled to find a place, but my strategy is to always walk like I know where I'm going and on a mission even if that means extra walking or circling back. By doing these steps I have never felt worried about my safety or had any issues with any locals.

I started each of my days with casa runs, usually favoring half hour visits for between 35-38 pesos depending on the casa. I found new life to be the busiest during my trips with the most girls and customers. Sexy amigas my fav from last trip was down a little in terms of quality, coffee shop had a cute older hostess available, [URL]puntachicas.com[/URL] had larger line ups but not many flacitas. I was about 50% at getting BBBJ. Zandalay hit me with and extra 10 k pesos for it either being Halloween or Saturday whatever not that big of deal but we all know it was a gringo tax.

I really liked the progress conijeatas is making on there rooms, those are some nice fuck chambers. I found the quality to be down there a little bit as well but I wasn't there late at night. Hit up bar exutiva and the one right next to it. It was Friday right before Halloween and these places were hopping with sexy ladies. Spent most of my time at bar E due to the place next door painting the restrooms and making the whole place smell like gasoline. Bar E had one of the sexiest girls I've seen this trip, "My", but she was dumb and spent the whole night talking to her co workers instead of working the room. I thought about pulling the trigger on Allison the red head and she knows how to work the stage but saw this young Selena Gomez look alike and went with her instead. Her sex performance was pretty weak but she was damn hot so she was still okay with me. 70 k.

Finally I got the whatsapp of a girl from a member here, I liked her so much I ended up over nighting her twice. She was by far the most GFE of my trip, I've never been attacked with DFK from a working girl like I was her, hours of GFE love making, every position possible and stayed longer than I expected each time. She was also smoking hot, nice a skinny, with the best set of DSL I've seen in Medellion. I paid her 250 k each night, possibly could of gone lower, but I try to be fair and she earned it. BTW, she is looking for customers.

Side note, I enjoyed the food, everybody always complains about the food but I find the service to be way worse than the food. I usually ate good meals in centro during the day of fish, bean soup, and sides for under 9 k.[/QUOTE]I'm curious, where are you staying? Hotel? Any issues with bringing your over nighter back to your hotel room? And yes please could you share your over nighter girls name and whatsapp with a fellow. Pm me please.

Thanks,

The Tall Man.

BTW I'm in MDE this weekend.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796010]Even a child can see that the whole problem begins with a lie, then betrayal by the guy who posts unauthorized pics. If he didn't do that there would be NO problem, period, end of story.

Your backwards logic wouldn't get past a jury of 1st graders, much less some outed chica's brothers. Being in Colombia does not relieve anyone of personal responsibility. That's like the guys who blames the chicken, which he let out, when it comes home to roost and shits all over his car.[/QUOTE]See the button on the bottom of this thread that says 'attach photos'? Why do you think that was put there? Now, I'll admit, there seems to be a grassroots movement lately that believes it exists to take pictures of food, the intent is to have members post pics of their adventures, adventures means women.

The debate about pics or no pics is longstanding. The same logic could be applied to posting at all. You and John seem to think that justifies showing the girls their pics, and this site. I'm not seeing the connection.

If boards like this one and mine didn't exist, 80% of us would still be stuck in the US, banging the wife once a month and thinking the whole world does it that way. While I'm sure the guys from the late 90's would enjoy that, the rest of us that came afterwards appreciate someone lighting the way.

I guess I am in culture shock. It has been several years since I posted here, and I can't even imagine someone coming to one of these boards and actually admonishing the old timers for posting pics and reviews, and at the same time basically admitting he has printed pics of girls and handed them to the casa owners. In most forums that would be an auto-bann for life. Instead, the forum censors people for being 'argumentative' and lets this nonsense go on, and the members get wrapped up accusing each other of alleged crimes against each other and / or in my case, of being someone else's sock while basically ignoring someone admitting they are printing pics and handing them to casa owners. WTH?

Meanwhile guys are mongering in places like Medellin where an angry freelancer can have you offed for a hundred bucks or so, or make your life miserable in a multitude of ways. Many of these girls have family and friends and would be extremely ashamed to have them find out what they are doing. They also have hope that someone will marry them, and don't want to be outed as a prepago. However, NO ONE would ever know outside of the mongering community that their pictures were posted (they are unsearchable on any search engine) and the report actually benefits the good girls, in fact guys flock to them in droves and avoid the bad girls. This improves the entire lot for everyone. So who benefits from the pics and reports? The good girls and the guys that read the reports. Who gets hurt? Only The bad girls who lose business and no one else gets hurt until some clown comes along and ruins it for everyone else.

So no sir, the problem isn't the "lie" and then the "betrayal". If you believe that you are at odds with the vast majority of people who post here and post at all other sex forums. The few guys who still post pics and / or reports with names are either crazy or brave as hell, but hell nah, not this old timer. I am not taking a hit just so I can make the life easy for the next guy, especially after witnessing the fiasco going on in this thread. This also isn't anything new, people were printing pics years and years ago and telling girls "I read about you" on such and such forum. The entire idealized philosophy that grown men can share a private community for the benefit of everyone has been ruined by this behavior.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796155]Old Parr your detective work not withstanding, my posting time is irrelevant because I am on moderation and whatever I write gets posted at the whim of a moderator. I am typing this at 7:30 am EST from the states.[/QUOTE]And now I see it posts the actual time I wrote it, but doesn't actually get posted until approved. This explains why the posts are out of order in a moderated thread. Interesting.

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;1795968]

Side note, I enjoyed the food, everybody always complains about the food but I find the service to be way worse than the food. I usually ate good meals in centro during the day of fish, bean soup, and sides for under 9 k.[/QUOTE]I really don't know why people don't like the food in Medellin. Almost every rest. In Park LLeras is really good and cheap. Further up the hill, the places in Provenza are even better. The prices are a fraction of what a comparable dinner back home costs.

Heck, even some of the menu del DIA places are fantastic and about 10-15 mil pesos for lunch including salad, fresh juice, meat and rice.

I love the food in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1796211]See the button on the bottom of this thread that says 'attach photos'? Why do you think that was put there? Now, I'll admit, there seems to be a grassroots movement lately that believes it exists to take pictures of food, the intent is to have members post pics of their adventures, adventures means women.

The debate about pics or no pics is longstanding. The same logic could be applied to posting at all. You and John seem to think that justifies showing the girls their pics, and this site. I'm not seeing the connection.

If boards like this one and mine didn't exist, 80% of us would still be stuck in the US, banging the wife once a month and thinking the whole world does it that way. While I'm sure the guys from the late 90's would enjoy that, the rest of us that came afterwards appreciate someone lighting the way.[/QUOTE]I am in Medellin right now and went to mansion last night. Picked up a awesome girl named Elena. Brought her over and I brought up this subject that everyone is talking about pictures and how we do reviews and asked her what she thought about her pic being posted with a review. She said " si! Es Bueno! Mad dinero why clientes para me" translation, yes that's a good thing. More money and clients for me. I guess at the end of the day it just depends on the girl.

[QUOTE=Paladin1987;1796170]The whole fucking town, and the particular massage parlor you are in, is LOADED with gorgeous latin vaginas, and there is ANOTHER Massage Parlor just around the corner and they know it! If you can't work your deal, walk.[/QUOTE]And this is why I don't get the idea of guys insisting on having a girl that someone else had or asking the contact info of a particular girl as if she was the only show in town. You know where all the girls are and there are tons of them. Why not go choose your own? Point me to the restaurant and I will look at the menu and decide what I want to eat. I wouldn't run inside the restaurant with a picture someone posted on facebook and say give me this exact meal that they had. Or is it that guys are stuck at home horny and see a picture and develop fantasies of a particular girl because they are so hard up?

[QUOTE=Koki9290;1793419]When I was in Lima in July, Tequila Rocks in Miraflores had closed down.[/QUOTE]Must have been closed for a holiday or something. My friend was there the other day and said the girls there were asking $200.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1796313]And this is why I don't get the idea of guys insisting on having a girl that someone else had or asking the contact info of a particular girl as if she was the only show in town. You know where all the girls are and there are tons of them. Why not go choose your own? Point me to the restaurant and I will look at the menu and decide what I want to eat. I wouldn't run inside the restaurant with a picture someone posted on facebook and say give me this exact meal that they had. Or is it that guys are stuck at home horny and see a picture and develop fantasies of a particular girl because they are so hard up?[/QUOTE]Excellent response! You got that right. I like your report. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1796211]See the button on the bottom of this thread that says 'attach photos'? Why do you think that was put there? Now, I'll admit, there seems to be a grassroots movement lately that believes it exists to take pictures of food[/QUOTE]Whaaat?! This isn't the food network or Trip Advisor. Damn it. Here I thought I was helping fellow members enjoy the culture and fine dining. LOL. Guys, really this is getting pretty stupid. What's done is done. Yes, there IS a RAT on this forum. This entire site and forum was based on trust and sharing amongst us as fellow HOBBIESTS. What does that mean, well, by joining, reading / writing on this site you already took a quasi oath to keep this among other members. Why else are you here? Why go out to find out who Jonsies is and want to harp and then tell this chica "Look! I saw a thread and pic about you" Why!? Youv'e gained knowledge to help you integrate with these girls and yes Most are very sweet girls. And then you come back and harp on a brotherhood? Come on Man, cut that SH*t out!! Let's please move forward. This is a brotherhood, you joined because of your own free will. If you don't like it, close your account and don't ask other brothers for input. Can someone just please delete the bickering posts so that we can get back to what we are here for?

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1796211]See the button on the bottom of this thread that says 'attach photos'? Why do you think that was put there? Now, I'll admit, there seems to be a grassroots movement lately that believes it exists to take pictures of food, the intent is to have members post pics of their adventures, adventures means women.

The debate about pics or no pics is longstanding. The same logic could be applied to posting at all. You and John seem to think that justifies showing the girls their pics, and this site. I'm not seeing the connection.

If boards like this one and mine didn't exist, 80% of us would still be stuck in the US, banging the wife once a month and thinking the whole world does it that way. While I'm sure the guys from the late 90's would enjoy that, the rest of us that came afterwards appreciate someone lighting the way.[/QUOTE]That's an easy one, the button if for posting pics of girls with their permission, you do know the difference, you just don't give a fuck. Guys like you and Cubadave are peas in a pod, you've both posted pics w / o permission, for the purpose of profit, as well as stroking huge egos. IMO, you should be sitting alongside him in CR.

I never said anything to that effect nor is it even necessary. There's nothing to stop a girl from joining either site and discover that Jonesie, who promised that he would not put her pic online, did. Theoretically, if I was friends w / girl and knew for certain that she wanted to remain anonymous and saw that some selfish MF'er posted then yes, I would tell her.

I know that according to the "Jonesie bro code", that would make me a "rat", a term you seem to use a lot. But the only people who really use that term are snake-in-the grass types whose misdeeds have been exposed by the truth. In this scenario I might be a tattletale, which I can live with because I'm not the one who lied and betrayed my friendship. If you still don't see the connection, I'll quote Connor McGregor "most people respect loyalty and despise betrayal".

If you and some of the others who see nothing wrong about posting unauthorized pics then lets see how you would feel if someone posted YOUR pics? Many hunters would reconsider their hobby, if the deer had rifles, and could shoot back.

As far as your site goes, haha, if your site didn't exist nothing would be any different in MDE or CR, except that guys like me would not have gotten suckered into wasting their money on a membership. You've heard of books right, well mongering was alive and well long before the invention of the internet. Slither on Jonesie.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1796322]Must have been closed for a holiday or something. My friend was there the other day and said the girls there were asking $200.[/QUOTE]Might as well be closed. Tequila Rocks used to be fantastic. You could get Lima girls and girls from the jungle for 50-100 all night. Then about 5 years ago the Colombian girls started showing up in numbers and were so much hotter than the locals and started demanding and getting the $200 and up. This ruined the place. Some of these girls were well known in LDV back in the day.

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[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796289]I really don't know why people don't like the food in Medellin. Almost every rest. In Park LLeras is really good and cheap. Further up the hill, the places in Provenza are even better. The prices are a fraction of what a comparable dinner back home costs.

Heck, even some of the menu del DIA places are fantastic and about 10-15 mil pesos for lunch including salad, fresh juice, meat and rice.

I love the food in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I agree, but to be fair, the "food isn't great in MDE" folks are "foodies" who really enjoy fine dining -- the caliber that you find in NY or Tokyo. In S. America, they're only going to be happy in Sao Paulo (fantastic), Buenos Aires, or Lima. MDE doesn't have fine dining, but the food can be quite good and reasonably-priced. It's certainly way ahead of the DR or Cuba (save a few Paladares).

The vast majority of us just want a sunny, warm place with hot women. MDE does just fine there and the food is decent enough.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796283]I guess I am in culture shock. It has been several years since I posted here, and I can't even imagine someone coming to one of these boards and actually admonishing the old timers for posting pics and reviews, and at the same time basically admitting he has printed pics of girls and handed them to the casa owners. In most forums that would be an auto-bann for life. Instead, the forum censors people for being 'argumentative' and lets this nonsense go on, and the members get wrapped up accusing each other of alleged crimes against each other and / or in my case, of being someone else's sock while basically ignoring someone admitting they are printing pics and handing them to casa owners. WTH?

Meanwhile guys are mongering in places like Medellin where an angry freelancer can have you offed for a hundred bucks or so, or make your life miserable in a multitude of ways. Many of these girls have family and friends and would be extremely ashamed to have them find out what they are doing. They also have hope that someone will marry them, and don't want to be outed as a prepago. However, NO ONE would ever know outside of the mongering community that their pictures were posted (they are unsearchable on any search engine) and the report actually benefits the good girls, in fact guys flock to them in droves and avoid the bad girls. This improves the entire lot for everyone. So who benefits from the pics and reports? The good girls and the guys that read the reports. Who gets hurt? Only The bad girls who lose business and no one else gets hurt until some clown comes along and ruins it for everyone else.

So no sir, the problem isn't the "lie" and then the "betrayal". If you believe that you are at odds with the vast majority of people who post here and post at all other sex forums. The few guys who still post pics and / or reports with names are either crazy or brave as hell, but hell nah, not this old timer. I am not taking a hit just so I can make the life easy for the next guy, especially after witnessing the fiasco going on in this thread. This also isn't anything new, people were printing pics years and years ago and telling girls "I read about you" on such and such forum. The entire idealized philosophy that grown men can share a private community for the benefit of everyone has been ruined by this behavior.[/QUOTE]Your first paragraph is confusing. However as for your claims of admonishing, and suggesting auto-ban, show me where any member is required to agree. If you are implying that I printed pics and handed to casa owners, you are mistaken. I simply asked about it. I see two scenarios, 1st the girl likes the advertising and welcomes a new client, the 2nd someone posted the pics w / o permission and now there's trouble.

You clearly understand the harm and grief exposure can do to a girl and do not sound like someone that would like to see that happen. The notion that no one outside the mongering community would ever know about pics / report is OBSOLETE, there's nothing to stop a girl from joining forum and discovering them herself, or getting some guy to proxy. Also, a decade ago girls, their BF / hubby / family did not have access to the internet. In todays world there is no privacy online, people have lost their jobs by something they put in a personal email.

I have no issue with anyone posting pics provided they have permission. I disagree with your assessment that a majority of guys on forums think it's OK to lie to a girl and post her pics, I think the majority of guys have better character, they just may not vocalize it. You can spin it any way you like, and get a million guys to agree with you, but it won't change the fact that lying is unacceptable and most people hate liars with a passion, because deep down inside they know that every misdeed, deception or crime is preceded by a lie.

Sounds like some guys have truly lost touch with reality, they think it's OK to lie just because she is a prepago, and promote it as a kind of "Honor among thieves" mentality which we all know won't last long. The world is constantly changing, ie growing up as long as you weren't near houses or livestock, you could hunt, fish or ride a motorcycle just about anywhere without permission, today you'll get arrested. Nothing is like it used to be, and those who refuse to evolve shall become extinct, even internet forums.

As far as you not "making life easy for the next guy", don't flatter yourself. Even helpful information about a girl is of limited value as their situation changes rapidly. Anyone who has been doing this awhile knows that every guy has to plot his own course and cut his own trail.

[QUOTE=Combo;1796394]I agree, but to be fair, the "food isn't great in MDE" folks are "foodies" who really enjoy fine dining -- the caliber that you find in NY or Tokyo. In S. America, they're only going to be happy in Sao Paulo (fantastic), Buenos Aires, or Lima. MDE doesn't have fine dining, but the food can be quite good and reasonably-priced. It's certainly way ahead of the DR or Cuba (save a few Paladares).

The vast majority of us just want a sunny, warm place with hot women. MDE does just fine there and the food is decent enough.[/QUOTE]Right on, also I don't want to drop 200 bucks on dinner for two. There are also some sleeper restaurants, like the Peruvian ceviche place in Provenza. Maybe someone could post a pic of the food without a crazed newbie running into the place with a copy of the post in his hand? Not likely.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1796313]And this is why I don't get the idea of guys insisting on having a girl that someone else had or asking the contact info of a particular girl as if she was the only show in town. You know where all the girls are and there are tons of them. Why not go choose your own? Point me to the restaurant and I will look at the menu and decide what I want to eat. I wouldn't run inside the restaurant with a picture someone posted on facebook and say give me this exact meal that they had. Or is it that guys are stuck at home horny and see a picture and develop fantasies of a particular girl because they are so hard up?[/QUOTE]Well I guess if all one cares about is a woman's looks, then you are 100% right, a recommendation is stupid. However I, and I suspect most here are interested in performance as well, or perhaps even more importantly than looks. So we appreciate recommendations when we can get them.

This is your FIRST post? You SURE chose a lot of ODD words to CAPITALIZE. Such as THE FINAL EXAM? Seriously?

[QUOTE=Paladin1987;1796170]If you pull out a picture, you have OUTTED someone who is trying to help the community (meaning YOU!) and, the girl who needs to build a book of regular, sane, horny gringo clients on basically, the down-low. Do what you can to nurture a Professional Working Relationship with these women, meaning, Don't serve up a made-to-Order reason for her or the Mamasan to go ape-shit bat-fuck crazy on you for not understanding their culture (or the helpful monger trying to level the playing field for the Newbie like you). Prostitution is legal in Colombia but she probably doesn't want her family or neighbors knowing she isn't going to an office job. If you like them 18-20 and thin ("joven a diezy seis a viente, and flaca" say so if you think it might help, but don't flash a mug shot or a nudie. Read the Forums. You have HOURS of homework to be informed. And it can be fun reading. But photos are a No Go. Discussions of other clients, unless he gave you her # and gave you an intro / called her, is not well received in our world or their culture. Being 'presented' or vouched for is HUGE in the latin world. It is how things are done. Try to respect that with fellow mongers intel when speaking with the ladies. In short, treat the information you get here as if you are being given the exam questions and ANSWERS for THE FINAL EXAM without the teacher's knowledge. Get it? You are treated as an above average student / client, and it keeps you from giving papaya. Dar Papaya. DON'T spoil it for the next guy and remember these gals have rent to pay in a world where the avg person makes $1-1. 50 USD a an hour. You are giving them more than a days pay at COP 35-60 K for a half hour to an hour of their time IN PRIVATE. Even of they are looking to build a book of clients, remember they want their private lives to stay PRIVATE. Like you want your PRIVATE life to stay PRIVATE back home. If all the secretaries / co-workers / neighbors knew you were going to Medellin to bust a nut with younger-than-they-are hotties for chump change so you could escape their Feminist Pussy Prison, how would that affect you? Act accordingly. Don't out Mongers. DON'T show photos. If she won't agree to your price and terms, walk. You have the ultimate negotiating tool- CASH. The whole fucking town, and the particular massage parlor you are in, is LOADED with gorgeous latin vaginas, and there is ANOTHER Massage Parlor just around the corner and they know it! If you can't work your deal, walk. Don't pull out visual aides. If someone vouches for you with a text to a girl, act like you are brand new to town and just needed a little nudge to find some company and got lucky. Simple. "I'm new to town" (with confidence) will take you a long way. Last, a tip of 10-20 K COP is 2-6 bucks, if she gave you a solid effort, is a nice touch. Skip lunch back home 1 time and let her know you appreciated her effort. You will be remembered. If questioned, you 'heard it at the bar' and give an I-don't-care / know-what-the-fuck-you-are-talking-about stare to the person asking the question of you.[/QUOTE]

This shit is almost as good as watching Narco on TV.

Some of you need to look at a map to see where countries are. Should that be too hard, Ukraine is properly situated in western Europe.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1796417]Well I guess if all one cares about is a woman's looks, then you are 100% right, a recommendation is stupid. However I, and I suspect most here are interested in performance as well, or perhaps even more importantly than looks. So we appreciate recommendations when we can get them.[/QUOTE]But a woman is not a machine. Even still different people can work the same machines differently. Jeff Gordon has a way with car #24, but if I got behind the wheel in the mf you may think something was wrong with the car. Hence, Your Mileage May Vary. You can not expect to have the same experience with a chick that another guy had with her.

Case in point: I went upstairs with a chick in Conejitas. This chick blew my socks off. She threw me on the bed and started sucking my dick. She jumped on top of me and started riding the shit out of my dick until she started squirting all over me like a madman. Afterwards, I told my wingman about it. On the same trip or either his next trip he said he took the girl and there were no fireworks. Just everything basic and normal. So the girl who was my top performer of the trip did absolutely shit for him.

[QUOTE=Paladin1987;1796170]If you pull out a picture, you have OUTTED someone who is trying to help the community (meaning YOU!) and, the girl who needs to build a book of regular, sane, horny gringo clients on basically, the down-low. Do what you can to nurture a Professional Working Relationship with these women, meaning, Don't serve up a made-to-Order reason for her or the Mamasan to go ape-shit bat-fuck crazy on you for not understanding their culture (or the helpful monger trying to level the playing field for the Newbie like you). Prostitution is legal in Colombia but she probably doesn't want her family or neighbors knowing she isn't going to an office job. If you like them 18-20 and thin ("joven a diezy seis a viente, and flaca" say so if you think it might help, but don't flash a mug shot or a nudie. Read the Forums. You have HOURS of homework to be informed. And it can be fun reading. But photos are a No Go. Discussions of other clients, unless he gave you her # and gave you an intro / called her, is not well received in our world or their culture. Being 'presented' or vouched for is HUGE in the latin world. It is how things are done. Try to respect that with fellow mongers intel when speaking with the ladies. In short, treat the information you get here as if you are being given the exam questions and ANSWERS for THE FINAL EXAM without the teacher's knowledge. Get it? You are treated as an above average student / client, and it keeps you from giving papaya. Dar Papaya. DON'T spoil it for the next guy and remember these gals have rent to pay in a world where the avg person makes $1-1. 50 USD a an hour. You are giving them more than a days pay at COP 35-60 K for a half hour to an hour of their time IN PRIVATE. Even of they are looking to build a book of clients, remember they want their private lives to stay PRIVATE..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice on your 1st post, that was intense, but I'm only a newbie to MDE, got my 2nd passport last year. I think I agree with 99% of what you said.

Since this gentleman was so thorough with his response I'll give you guys some background. I actually did this (no photos) in CR where you read the reports about which girl at which MP, blah, bah. Went is each one with a list of names in each MP and listened in the lineup for her name. If that didn't work I just asked the owner, never had any problem. But what I learned is that it doesn't work for me because someone 1) she may not even work there any more, or be out that day 2) another guy's else's taste in women can very be different than mine. Of all the girls I researched I actually only sessioned w / one who was great, just not exactly my type. From then own I just walk in the door, see what's available, pick one or move on to the next place. If someone recommends a girl I'll keep it in the back of my mind but as others have mentioned it doesn't make a lot of sense to go looking for a specific girl.

And for any of you guys out there who have posted unauthorized pics of casa girls, you don't have to worry about me showing any pics, not even Jonesie. Seriously, I don't want to be on either end of that equation.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1795861]If someone recommends a girl who works at a particular casa. I then print copied photos, go to the mamasan and ask if this girl is available, because I heard good things about her. Did I just commit a faux pax the equivalent of slapping the baby Jesus?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrAdventure;1795861] the "real villain" is the guy who posted the pics, that were supposed to be for him only, which he agreed not to put on the internet but did. Now that he's been caught lying he tries to turn it around and shift the blame some newby who is simply trying to locate a particular girl?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796507] Theoretically, if I was friends w / girl and knew for certain that she wanted to remain anonymous and saw that some selfish MF'er posted then yes, I would tell her.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796507]Guys like you and Cubadave are peas in a pod, you've both posted pics w / o permission, for the purpose of profit, as well as stroking huge egos. IMO, you should be sitting alongside him in CR.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796507]I know that according to the "Jonesie bro code", that would make me a "rat", a term you seem to use a lot. But the only people who really use that term are snake-in-the grass types whose misdeeds have been exposed by the truth[/QUOTE]With all due respect Mr. Adventure, I have evaluated the statements above, recognize that you think a certain member here should be in Jail for posting 'unathorized' pics, and weighed them against your most recent statement:

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796507]And for any of you guys out there who have posted unauthorized pics of casa girls, you don't have to worry about me showing any pics, not even Jonesie. Seriously, I don't want to be on either end of that equation.[/QUOTE]And I am afraid that your own words belie the truth of your last statement and I now understand you do not understand how this community works. These girls are in the lucrative business of lying, and yes so are mongers, some to a greater extent than others. If you have deluded yourself to the point where you think you are in some fraternity of honest souls and your mission in life is to whisper honestly and sweetly into the ears of South american chicas-for-pay to the detriment of your fellow forum members, You are sadly mistaken. The irony is many of the chicas you would save from the horrors of having their picture taken would first tell you they loved you, then take every penny out of your bank account and then leave you crying and laugh when you jumped off a buiding in despair. You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

I am thinking of starting a petition to rename the forum from "internationsexguide" to "Home of Captain Save-a-ho". Anyone with me?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1796455]But a woman is not a machine. Even still different people can work the same machines differently. Jeff Gordon has a way with car #24, but if I got behind the wheel in the mf you may think something was wrong with the car. Hence, Your Mileage May Vary. You can not expect to have the same experience with a chick that another guy had with her.

Case in point: I went upstairs with a chick in Conejitas. This chick blew my socks off. She threw me on the bed and started sucking my dick. She jumped on top of me and started riding the shit out of my dick until she started squirting all over me like a madman. Afterwards, I told my wingman about it. On the same trip or either his next trip he said he took the girl and there were no fireworks. Just everything basic and normal. So the girl who was my top performer of the trip did absolutely shit for him.[/QUOTE]This is true Mr. E. However a review can be helpful in the sense that if certain girls continue to give bad service, or are nicking things out of guys rooms, or come over and whine and moan about money issues, the review can be helpful as a red flag.

Also, we all have our types, and some guy posting a glowing review without a photo can be misleading. For instance, if I read a glowing series of reviews and got a number and called a girl, and a chubby girl showed up, I would have just wasted large amounts of effort for nothing.

This being said, while reviews are helpful for some guys, especially the new guys, I am in your camp. Seldom if ever would I go on a review. I like to show up and find my own way. The irony is that the guys that the reviews help the most seem to be the ones out to save the girls from the 'injustice' of the reviews. Case in point the most recent fiasco ITT. The guy admits he has printed reviews and showed up at casas, but says he would snitch on guys if he knows the pictures are unauthorized. So he wants to eat the pie, then get a refund because it wasn't baked to his specifications.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796401]Right on, also I don't want to drop 200 bucks on dinner for two. There are also some sleeper restaurants, like the Peruvian ceviche place in Provenza. Maybe someone could post a pic of the food without a crazed newbie running into the place with a copy of the post in his hand? Not likely.[/QUOTE]Why do you need to drop $200 bucks? You be the man and tell her we can share (compartir) a (fuerte) Main course or tell her wherever you go solamente drinks! These girls are used to the man taking control unless your with the well known Americanized straight up working girl types! Their more impressed by you taking control than you letting them take control, and there here for our pleasure not the other way around!

Colombia Jake.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1796455]But a woman is not a machine. Even still different people can work the same machines differently. Jeff Gordon has a way with car #24, but if I got behind the wheel in the mf you may think something was wrong with the car. Hence, Your Mileage May Vary. You can not expect to have the same experience with a chick that another guy had with her.

Case in point: I went upstairs with a chick in Conejitas. This chick blew my socks off. She threw me on the bed and started sucking my dick. She jumped on top of me and started riding the shit out of my dick until she started squirting all over me like a madman. Afterwards, I told my wingman about it. On the same trip or either his next trip he said he took the girl and there were no fireworks. Just everything basic and normal. So the girl who was my top performer of the trip did absolutely shit for him.[/QUOTE]The fact one guy has an amazing session with one girl in no way guarantees his friend will as well, agreed. But I would still say there is a correlation in those experiences. Some girls are good business women and want to leave every customer satisfied. Some girls hate their jobs and are incapable of providing a good experience. For some girls a BBBJ is off the menu. Others it may be standard. Some kiss, some don't. Many in the middle, chemistry often counts but still find recommendations are very useful. Oh yea I've been doing this since my first trip to the DR in 1996. I've done this in Thailand, Brazil, CR, DR and many places not well known for the hobby (I've been to 25 counties). At last estimate I've done over 2k girls. I've had some experience with this. Planing my first trip to MDE in early January and appreciate all the info shared here.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1796680] (I've been to 25 counties). At last estimate I've done over 2k girls.[/QUOTE]I do not think I have met a more amazing person than you! You are Gods gift that is for sure. BIG CONGRATULATIONS to you on your 2000 girls! Do your friends call you Superman?

You are also the first person I have ever heard of who keeps track a record of the girls they laid. You really should be commended for your record keeping skills!

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1792496]Yes. You can get Viagra or Sidenafil, both over the counter. Generic tends to be cheaper as always. I forget the cost but I want to say around 10 or 20,000 COP per 100 MG. I have purchased from the pharmacy at any Carulla.[/QUOTE]This is a typical generic sidebfil 4 x 50 pack you can get in Medellin, I think this one was 6000 pesos. That's about 2 bucks us and they work fine. You can pay more but you don't have to.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1795176]

It's because of these misfits who can't cut it in their own country, ie Cubadave and Jonesie, who try to make a living promoting themselves while exploiting others that I will be leaving my camera at home. Don't know if he got beat up or not but sure seems like someone who deserves it.[/QUOTE]Looks like Costa Rica could save some money on your say so, and just throw the book at Cuba Dave without a hearing. It appears to me that he is being railroaded by the PC police. I have read his reports, and watched his videos for many years. This guy has been nothing but helpful to the mongering tribe. Right now he is in need of donations to pay his legal bills. Your post is not helpful. Now if you have info to prove your claim then let us know as I would not send money to a fraud.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1796724]Looks like Costa Rica could save some money on your say so, and just throw the book at Cuba Dave without a hearing. It appears to me that he is being railroaded by the PC police. I have read his reports, and watched his videos for many years. This guy has been nothing but helpful to the mongering tribe. Right now he is in need of donations to pay his legal bills. Your post is not helpful. Now if you have info to prove your claim then let us know as I would not send money to a fraud.[/QUOTE]John I respect you opinion even if I disagree with it and while I agree his report and vids seemed helpful, but that is only part of the story about CD. You seem uninformed however you requested info so here it is. Go look on the Sosua section of this forum, the Cubsdave philosophy section, then go read the CR forum. You will see posts from guys who have known him for years, unlike yourself and I who have only read reports and watched videos. The over overwhelming majority of posters have no sympathy for him, many would like to see him get 4 yrs, which is effectively a death sentence. I was surprised to learn he was so disliked, but after reading hundeds of post on the subject, I agree with them, he has brought far more harm to the community than he has done good.

You may think of it as a PC police railroading, but the girls who lives he helped destroy, don't and some of them (ex-novia) have brothers who are police officials and to the, what he did was messing with famila. He also screwed over some of his monger brothers by "ratting" and was banned from several establishments in the past. You need to see the whole picture John. Do your homework, and if after you read the afore mentioned forums you're still convinced he a good guy send him some more money.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1796724]Looks like Costa Rica could save some money on your say so, and just throw the book at Cuba Dave without a hearing. It appears to me that he is being railroaded by the PC police. I have read his reports, and watched his videos for many years. This guy has been nothing but helpful to the mongering tribe. Right now he is in need of donations to pay his legal bills. Your post is not helpful. Now if you have info to prove your claim then let us know as I would not send money to a fraud.[/QUOTE]As I see it, Cuba Dave is a nice guy being railroaded. To insinuate not only that he belongs in friggen prison but that another forum member here does also is unbelievable. Dude you have fallen in with the wrong crowd. I would politely suggest to you that you join a gardening forum. This isn't a proper fit for you.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796155]This is exactly why I would never post a pic, ever. If you are copying pics off of the net and handing them to a mamas an or girl, you have just do e what Old Parr complains about and pretty much what just happened in this thread. Does no one else see this? Don't you understand this can set off a chain of events that endangers the person who posted?[/QUOTE]Yes, I absolutely understand. Do YOU understand that the guy who leaked the pics endangers the girl? The POS who leaked the pics is the real rat, at least that's the way her family will view it. Explain to me why is her welfare and life worth less than a rat?

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1796671]Why do you need to drop $200 bucks? You be the man and tell her we can share (compartir) a (fuerte) Main course or tell her wherever you go solamente drinks! These girls are used to the man taking control unless your with the well known Americanized straight up working girl types! Their more impressed by you taking control than you letting them take control, and there here for our pleasure not the other way around!

Colombia Jake.[/QUOTE]Jake that was a reference back to his comment about guys who complain about the Medellin food and prefer high dollar venues in say New York. I wasn't talking about taking girls out to eat in Medellin. LOL I will pay for two girls any night in Medellin without batting an eye. Peace.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796800]Jake that was a reference back to his comment about guys who complain about the Medellin food and prefer high dollar venues in say New York. I wasn't talking about taking girls out to eat in Medellin. LOL I will pay for two girls any night in Medellin without batting an eye. Peace.[/QUOTE]I have come to really like your attitude, and the forum needs more posters like you. You remind me of days gone by when my friend MiamiHeatLuver was posting. I wonder whatever happened to him, as he just dropped off the face of the earth. I tried contacting him through email on a couple of occasions to find out if he was alright and nothing. Hope nothing bad happened to him, as MHL was the chit, and a major asset to the Colombia forum, along with another friend who posted under the handle Reefski, who also took a permanent leave of absence.

Oh how I miss the days that have passed us by here on the forum.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796668]With all due respect Mr. Adventure, I have evaluated the statements above, recognize that you think a certain member here should be in Jail for posting 'unathorized' pics, and weighed them against your most recent statement:

And I am afraid that your own words belie the truth of your last statement and I now understand you do not understand how this community works. These girls are in the lucrative business of lying, and yes so are mongers, some to a greater extent than others. If you have deluded yourself to the point where you think you are in some fraternity of honest souls and your mission in life is to whisper honestly and sweetly into the ears of South american chicas-for-pay to the detriment of your fellow forum members, You are sadly mistaken. The irony is many of the chicas you would save from the horrors of having their picture taken would first tell you they loved you, then take every penny out of your bank account and then leave you crying and laugh when you jumped off a buiding in despair. You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

I am thinking of starting a petition to rename the forum from "internationsexguide" to "Home of Captain Save-a-ho". Anyone with me?[/QUOTE]Stop putting words in my mouth. Your reaching. I learned my lesson about developing feeling for a girl 2 yrs ago, never again, save that sermon for someone who actually needs it, but thanks anyway.

Your evaluation skills suck. I can show you proof that I was in South America mongering over 10 yrs ago. Regarding the mongering community in general, I'm well aware that at least 1/2 of the guys fall into the either the "wanted or unwanted" category and that the gringos will rip you off quicker than the locals. Most mongers I would not want as neighbors.

I'll admit the idea of showing pics was a new one to me, cause nobody ever posted any of an MP girl on the CR forum, only indies with their permission. Everything else that some here including your self have tried to lecture me on I learned long ago. It isn't that I am uninformed and don't get it.

I do get it, I just don't agree with you and some others on one issue, there's really nothing more to it than that.

Your problem is that you just can't handle it when someone disagrees with you.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796751]As I see it, Cuba Dave is a nice guy being railroaded. To insinuate not only that he belongs in friggen prison but that another forum member here does also is unbelievable. Dude you have fallen in with the wrong crowd. I would politely suggest to you that you join a gardening forum. This isn't a proper fit for you.[/QUOTE]See post #182244, you really need to do your homework and get the whole story on CD before shooting your mouth off. Because you are "special" student, I'll give you a cheat sheet. You don't even have to register, just go to the general section, right now there are about 40 pages about him. In particular see the comments of BangBang57, a guy who knows him very well and is sort of the "king" of that forum.

Once you enlighten yourself with the opinions those who know him far better than you or I, you will be in a better position to make an intelligent choice!

Gardening isn't exactly my thing, although at age 18 I planted several hundred bodies, I rekon they fit good enough.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1796455]But a woman is not a machine. Even still different people can work the same machines differently. Jeff Gordon has a way with car #24, but if I got behind the wheel in the mf you may think something was wrong with the car. Hence, Your Mileage May Vary. You can not expect to have the same experience with a chick that another guy had with her.

Case in point: I went upstairs with a chick in Conejitas. This chick blew my socks off. She threw me on the bed and started sucking my dick. She jumped on top of me and started riding the shit out of my dick until she started squirting all over me like a madman. Afterwards, I told my wingman about it. On the same trip or either his next trip he said he took the girl and there were no fireworks. Just everything basic and normal. So the girl who was my top performer of the trip did absolutely shit for him.[/QUOTE]Thinking back of all the different girls in CR that guys introduced me to, only 1/7 did I repeat. On paper one chica whom it seemed like would be the perfect match, was one of the worst, just negative chemistry I guess. After I told the guy who set me up about it all we could both do was just shrug our shoulders.

I got to pick my own, half the time when I walk in I don't have a clue as to what I want. Seems it's better to get a good surprise that have a certain something in mind and be disappointed.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1796680]The fact one guy has an amazing session with one girl in no way guarantees his friend will as well, agreed. But I would still say there is a correlation in those experiences. Some girls are good business women and want to leave every customer satisfied. Some girls hate their jobs and are incapable of providing a good experience. For some girls a BBBJ is off the menu. Others it may be standard. Some kiss, some don't. Many in the middle, chemistry often counts but still find recommendations are very useful. Oh yea I've been doing this since my first trip to the DR in 1996. I've done this in Thailand, Brazil, CR, DR and many places not well known for the hobby (I've been to 25 counties). At last estimate I've done over 2k girls. I've had some experience with this. Planing my first trip to MDE in early January and appreciate all the info shared here.[/QUOTE]Whoa! Whoa whoa!! Easy there buckaroo!! 2000 girls. Working girls DO NOT, 1000% do not count your your career stats!! LOL!! Working girls are like hitting home runs in batting practice before the game or swapping 3 pters during shoot around between havles in basked ball!

Normal girls / you didn't pay only on the tally.

To begin with I'm what you might call a permanent "Yellow belt" in mongering. To me going on a trip for just the girls is kind of weird, it's only the icing on the cake. Centro casas, Jake if I want GFE, 1 per day-that's it. I've done the 3 per day thing, didn't take long for it to seem like work instead of fun.

This was a recon trip, at one time I seriously though of retiring on Isla Margarita, one of the top 3 windsurfing spots on the planet. Don't think it was legal at the time but when the guy at hotel asked if you want a girl, I said yes. "Arianna" from Caracas, gringo pricing naturally-$70. Compared to what I've had since she's an amazon, over 6 ft tall, but beggars can't be choosers, and she was less than half my age. Basically I learned that with her if I you pay for an HR, by God you get a HR. Neither one of us spoke more than five words of the others language.

The normal stuff BBJ, covered FS, then after popping she just started sucking again till it was ready for round two. This went non-stop until her phone rang which was her handler / driver. Saw her twice before some married gringa complained and got the night clerk fired (gringa was on vacation alone and cock blocked me-she wanted to take her place.) The second time her I gave her $80, $10 for a tip. She was getting all upset because she didn't have change. Finally she understood it was a tip, I think.

Turning channels by hand on an old tv to drown out our sounds I came upon a channel that had some kind of mariachi looking band playing music. She got all excited, apparently she liked them and begin to swoon. I don't think she kissed the first time but it's like that band mesmerized her. We didn't fuck we made love until her driver called and she lit into him and gave me 10 more min. It was my first GFE, and I didn't even hear that term till years later. Never forget that sick kind of feeling in my stomach on the flight home. That was in 2005.

Chavez's had people tracking and watching guys like me, I went around taking pics and had a legal pad of questions, people in general did not want to have their pic taken. I do remember a helicopter with. 50 cal going up and down the beach, gunner looked like he was 14. The people had been told and believed that the US was going to invade them and take the oil.

No doubt they had researched me. At the time I lived at the time directly across the street from the FLETC, the Federal Law Enforcement Training center for all fed cops except CIA, FBI. Add to that Vietnam era vet with a secret security clearance, and still employed with the gov at that time, they thought they had a spy. Got interrogated 3 times, the first Miss Universe wanted to know where all I went, ate, how much I drank, spent. She was supposed to be have to do with tourism.

The new two weren't so pretty or nice. They took my luggage apart and had me scared shitless, but all I had was legit vacation stuff. They acted like it was for drugs but I don't fit the profile.

HEY MOD.

I can't for the life of me get any more pics to upload, this was before digital cameras were affordable. They are regular photos that I took a pic of with my digital underwater camera but they just won't upload. Is there an address that I can email them to so that you can post them?

Let's play the other side of why post a picture. I remember reading a few months back on the Tijuana thread. A fellow hobbiest was set up by a chica whom he was dating a few times and agreed to a session when he would cross back to the border. She sets him up. Two guys jump him, beat the sh*t out of him and while he is getting beat up, she is going through his pants for his money and phone. He was in the emergency room for a while. Now, one of us members got curious and found out who this girl is. He posts her pics and many fellow mongers are greatful and now avoid this chick. He didn't get permission to post her pictures. So, would this person now be considered a rat? A low life with no respect for the girl. Keep in mind the guy had to spend the night in the hospital and still recovering. Please really? You know guys, really, let's move on. Yes, we may not agree and I know some one come back and say "that's different!" The fact is both posted pictures without consent on the girl. Both sides is IT factored into helping this community. Come on guys. Move on!! It's about providing good information to help us and fellow others to be able to interact in different places. Move the F on guys!

Does anyone know a good massage place in Medellin and a dream is a bonus.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796857]See post #182244, you really need to do your homework and get the whole story on CD before shooting your mouth off. Because you are "special" student, I'll give you a cheat sheet. You don't even have to register, just go to the general section, right now there are about 40 pages about him. In particular see the comments of BangBang57, a guy who knows him very well and is sort of the "king" of that forum.

Once you enlighten yourself with the opinions those who know him far better than you or I, you will be in a better position to make an intelligent choice!.[/QUOTE]Why do you assume I don't know him or haven't read those two-faced posts? It is common for low life's to kick a man when he is down so those posts didn't surprise me. Neither does your admission you don't know him yet you are ready to convict him To prison along with another forum member.

Listen, I understand when I told you I was done talking you felt you could seize the day and rapid-posted comment after comment, but everyone gets it and it is doubtful anyone will trust you here. Any more posts from you about me or to me and I am putting you on ignore. I am done, move on with your next newbie topic. How about 'should I slam the door of a Mde taxi driver? Try that one.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1796834]I'm done talking with you at all. Ask someone else.[/QUOTE]Then don't ask me a question, if you don't want me to answer it.

If I may suggest that the next time you decide to lecture and insult somebody, who you know Jack about, that you don't chose an indefensible position to begin with. Realize there are others here who agree with your position on that issue, perhaps even a majority, but you were the only one stupid enough to attempt to defend it.

So I'll end this little dance with you with a phrase I've used countless times "Your honor, I have no further use for this witness. "

I was not able to sleep on my overnight flight so yesterday (Thursday Nov 6) cash run was all on pure carnal adrenalin after a 2. 5 year hiatus from Medellin.

My first observations is the new buildings and construction throughout. With this is increased traffic jams (my Paisa friends call it tacos). The weather is cloudy and spotted rains.

Took the metro over to Linda's Chicas (on 58) and although it was about 4 in the afternoon the metal gates were pad locked which I assume means closed so headed over to the stadium and to Energy.

It's been 3 years since my visit to Energy and noticed, once in the rooms Arribas, how nice the rooms have been updated and remodeled. The lobby and desk areas are the same.

Very welcoming lady and felt right at home, ask and told that they have 10 girls. Got the line up and must say how naturally pretty all ten were. We all know the difficulties in the selection but I made my choice mainly based on the brief introduction and I was spot on. Great girl with an even better personality and carisma to die for. Passionately kissing and embracing with youthful playfulness for the hour. She was very pretty, not a stunner but rate her in my top 5 lovers in the past 5 years. There is a huge difference between having sex and making love and this experience was the later. Got her number and will take her out next week.

Grabbed the packed metro back and have fully enjoyed my first day.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1796912]Let's play the other side of why post a picture. I remember reading a few months back on the Tijuana thread. A fellow hobbiest was set up by a chica whom he was dating a few times and agreed to a session when he would cross back to the border. She sets him up. Two guys jump him, beat the sh*t out of him and while he is getting beat up, she is going through his pants for his money and phone. He was in the emergency room for a while. Now, one of us members got curious and found out who this girl is. He posts her pics and many fellow mongers are greatful and now avoid this chick. He didn't get permission to post her pictures. So, would this person now be considered a rat? A low life with no respect for the girl. Keep in mind the guy had to spend the night in the hospital and still recovering. Please really? You know guys, really, let's move on. Yes, we may not agree and I know some one come back and say "that's different!" The fact is both posted pictures without consent on the girl. Both sides is IT factored into helping this community. Come on guys. Move on!! It's about providing good information to help us and fellow others to be able to interact in different places. Move the F on guys![/QUOTE]Not at all, in this case the guy wasn't a rat, he was a victim. In his case posting pics was a sort of public service announcement, after a violent crime had occurred. Guess we'll just agree to disagree on the other unauthorized posting of pics though, like gentlemen.

Once when representing the state in a 14 million dollar claim which I thought it was a slam dunk, the mediator was as India Indian fellow who in that high pitched voice said "Remember, gentleman that even the thinnest of pancakes has two sides. ".

Ruling was we split the cost, it was a rare exception where the "unforeseen conditions" clause should be put aside. The other party had acted in good faith and in a professional manner from day 1, plus he was a prince of a nice guy, it was fair.

Well I just learned there is another side to ratting out forum members and saying they belong in jail. I learn something new everyday.

[QUOTE=AznJ518;1796972]Does anyone know a good massage place in Medellin and a dream is a bonus.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g297478-d4889083-r180504607-AKZARA_Thematic_Spa-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL]

Right near Park lleras but no happy ending.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1797089]Why do you assume I don't know him or haven't read those two-faced posts? It is common for low life's to kick a man when he is down so those posts didn't surprise me. Neither does your admission you don't know him yet you are ready to convict him To prison along with another forum member.

Listen, I understand when I told you I was done talking you felt you could seize the day and rapid-posted comment after comment, but everyone gets it and it is doubtful anyone will trust you here. Any more posts from you about me or to me and I am putting you on ignore. I am done, move on with your next newbie topic. How about 'should I slam the door of a Mde taxi driver? Try that one.[/QUOTE]STFU already and just put me on ignore then, you started this shit with your attack and insults directed at me.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1796819]I have come to really like your attitude, and the forum needs more posters like you. You remind me of days gone by when my friend MiamiHeatLuver was posting. I wonder whatever happened to him, as he just dropped off the face of the earth. I tried contacting him through email on a couple of occasions to find out if he was alright and nothing. Hope nothing bad happened to him, as MHL was the chit, and a major asset to the Colombia forum, along with another friend who posted under the handle Reefski, who also took a permanent leave of absence.

Oh how I miss the days that have passed us by here on the forum.[/QUOTE]Blast from the past, MiamiHeat and Reefski! LOL.

Last I heard from MiamiHeat, he was engaged to be married, to a Caleña, I believe. Hope all is well.

Reefski was banned from ISG for something or other, I can't remember, though I bumped into him not to long ago in Colombia.
He was doing great.

The drama and bravado of the Colombia boards, especially Medellin, forever continues, LOL.

I've moved on, especially since a guy here squealed my ISG handle to my girlfriend, cause he wanted her and wanted to prove my 'bad ways' LOL.

Have fun guys, enjoy the ride, ignore the BS. 😋

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1797161]I was not able to sleep on my overnight flight so yesterday (Thursday Nov 6) cash run was all on pure carnal adrenalin after a 2. 5 year hiatus from Medellin.

My first observations is the new buildings and construction throughout. With this is increased traffic jams (my Paisa friends call it tacos).[/QUOTE]My Paisa friends call traffic jams trancónes.

From tacos to trancónes. Medellin is a blast.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1797193]Blast from the past, MiamiHeat and Reefski! LOL.

Last I heard from MiamiHeat, he was engaged to be married, to a Calea, I believe. Hope all is well.

Reefski was banned from ISG for something or other, I can't remember, though I bumped into him not to long ago in Colombia.
He was doing great.

The drama and bravado of the Colombia boards, especially Medellin, forever continues, LOL.

I've moved on, especially since a guy here squealed my ISG handle to my girlfriend, cause he wanted her and wanted to prove my 'bad ways' LOL.

Have fun guys, enjoy the ride, ignore the BS. [/QUOTE]Hey Ricker,

Long time no talk. I just PM'd you. We know each other IRL and go back to the old days of this forum. Yes, just look down, we still have newbie rats trying to level the playing field by being betraying the older members and trying to be Mr. Save-a-ho. It is unbelievable really.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1797193]Blast from the past, MiamiHeat and Reefski! LOL.

Last I heard from MiamiHeat, he was engaged to be married, to a Calea, I believe. Hope all is well.

Reefski was banned from ISG for something or other, I can't remember, though I bumped into him not to long ago in Colombia.
He was doing great.

The drama and bravado of the Colombia boards, especially Medellin, forever continues, LOL.

I've moved on, especially since a guy here squealed my ISG handle to my girlfriend, cause he wanted her and wanted to prove my 'bad ways' LOL.

Have fun guys, enjoy the ride, ignore the BS. [/QUOTE]Yes those were were great posters, but lets not forget the legendary Urbanwildlife.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1797211]Yes those were were great posters, but lets not forget the legendary Urbanwildlife.[/QUOTE]LOL man I sure miss that guy.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1789122]I been making contacts with some facebook girl and getting quotes from 150 k to 200 k plus taxi to meet up in.

An apt. Was hoping pricing would be a little less, wonder now how much all night, tln would be?

I will be staying El Poblado area, how far is that from Mayorista. I guess street girls would be lowest prices.

Any street action in Parque lleras??

Hoping to see this girl, see attachment.[/QUOTE]I know this is a month old or so, but since you are going to be in Medellin in a week, here are some answers that I hope helps you:

Mayorista at night is about 15 minutes by cab. Detailed directions can be found here how to get there or you can say to the cab driver " Mayorista, donde LOS bares con putas". Tell them this before you get in, they will usually know what you mean. If not, don't get in. Or, print detailed direction off this site and give them to him.

Ask yourself why you want to go to the Mayorista. I find it to be a waste of time. It is a low budget venue, and as such if you want low budget, the casas downtown are a better choice in my opinion. If yo want to sit outside, at night in a streetwalking area and have a beer, it can be fun, but I have never taken a girl there, ever. Myself, I am not happy with bottom tier girls. YMMV.

Park Lleras has seen an influx of street girls, they are in the interior of the park after dark, or around the edge sitting and smiling at you. But again this isn't quality. By the pic you posted, maybe you are conflicted, because girls like that aren't hanging in the Mayorista or street walking in lleras. Also the street girls in Park LLeras are trying to get the prepago rates 150/300 and imo are not worth it. Better to go to the Mansion or to Jake. The mansion has great rooms and girls, Jake has great girls.

To get good girls in Medellin you will pay 150 per for short time plus taxi, or a little more. That is just the breaks bro. On the bright side that isn't much for how good these girls can be. Have fun and be safe. Were are you staying in Poblado?

As far as your dream girl in the photo, here she is, message her and tell her you are interested in getting to know her. If she is working she will text you back. If not, she won't.

[URL]www.facebook.com/search/str/Juliana%2BElejalde/keywords_users[/URL]

[QUOTE=AznJ518;1796972]Does anyone know a good massage place in Medellin and a dream is a bonus.[/QUOTE]Go to Abydos. $150 K for an hour and you will get everything you want. I liked Sofia but you should see the line up in case your tastes are different.

Before asking me for the address, please RTFF as that info has been posted.

Good luck,

$Bill.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1797209]Hey Ricker,

Long time no talk. I just PM'd you. We know each other IRL and go back to the old days of this forum. Yes, just look down, we still have newbie rats trying to level the playing field by being betraying the older members and trying to be Mr. Save-a-ho. It is unbelievable really.[/QUOTE]At first I thought, turn the cheek, this individual's issues with reality / facts is incurable. Funny really, we've all seen the movie before. Dude picked a fight he couldn't win, then when he realized he couldn't use logic, did the only thing he could, which was to attack and try to discredit.

Even went so far as to try to"run me off this board" for which he got his hand slapped by the mod, post#18228, " it appeared to be a public effort to discourage members from posting information".

Good job mod, it is exactly because of guys with the attitude of this guy, that many members never or rarely post, or just leave the forums entirely. I would not be on this forum if it did not offer an equal voice to all members. All other members who disagreed with me did so in a courteous and respectful manner.

So, guy says he' done talking to me and puts me on ignore (thank God). I guess his new strategy is to hide behind the ignore function and implicitly jab at me, where he is safe from return fire.

Not my first time being the new kid on the block and having to simultaneously fight several individuals trying to "drive me out". Unfortunately on many of these boards that's exactly the reception a new member receives, some people want to maintain the status quo and silence any opinion other than their own, even to the detriment of the board they "think" they are defending. I really don't understand why this guy said that I am not a proper fit here, haven't I proven that when needed, I can be just as big of an asshole as anyone here?

On second though, at this point, turning the cheek is exactly the thing to do so I am withholding return fire, implicit or otherwise. As a show of good faith toward this gentleman, despite the fact I began in 2005, not hard to see he probably has 50 x my experience, and tons of info regarding MDE in particular. Probably took me 100 pages RTFF to get the same info from his last post, possibly saved some guy a lot of time.

Instead of focusing on the things we don't like about another person, think we would all be happier to just find one thing we like about them and try to ignore the rest. Have a great day everyone, including TTP and Jonesie.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1789122]I been making contacts with some facebook girl and getting quotes from 150 k to 200 k plus taxi to meet up in.

An apt. Was hoping pricing would be a little less, wonder now how much all night, tln would be?
[/QUOTE]Are you kidding me SL? You're hoping decent hearted, good looking girls come and spend a couple of hours (with your for less than $60? What's less than $60 but still in your price range? Merry Christmas to the girls that are fortunate enough to meet you.

[QUOTE=AznJ518;1796972]Does anyone know a good massage place in Medellin and a dream is a bonus.[/QUOTE]My favorite spot is energy. Great lineup and showers available after the session.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1798040]Are you kidding me SL? You're hoping decent hearted, good looking girls come and spend a couple of hours (with your for less than $60? What's less than $60 but still in your price range? Merry Christmas to the girls that are fortunate enough to meet you.[/QUOTE]Thank you for being the voice of reason.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1798040]Are you kidding me SL? You're hoping decent hearted, good looking girls come and spend a couple of hours (with your for less than $60? What's less than $60 but still in your price range? Merry Christmas to the girls that are fortunate enough to meet you.[/QUOTE]I am guessing here, but I think he thought when the chicks wrote him back 150/300, they meant dollars.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1798183]I am guessing here, but I think he thought when the chicks wrote him back 150/300, they meant dollars.[/QUOTE]No. Because he wrote "150k to 200k plus taxi". Facebook prepagos are not my M.O., but a buddy of mine said that he gives then 120k. I do not know if he gives them money for a taxi or not though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1798218]No. Because he wrote "150k to 200k plus taxi". Facebook prepagos are not my M.O., but a buddy of mine said that he gives then 120k. I do not know if he gives them money for a taxi or not though.[/QUOTE]Yup prices may very on the guy and what the girl thinks of him. Younger guy, in shape vs older guy out of shape etc.

Anyways we are good. Enough girls and range of prices for everyone in Medellin.

I have earlier plugged Jake, because I enjoy the "girlfriend date experience" of going out for drinks and dance with someone who acts like she's my girlfriend. Here are the four dates from my last trip.

Note: I speak decent Spanish. I give them a total of 250-300 mil pesos, which is higher than the suggested 220 or so. You can have plain sex for cheaper, but for me the quality usually is worth it.

The first night I was with "YY", 21 years old, who has been working a regular job for one year after finishing a degree in Economics. "YY" is 5'2", slender, long black hair, cute. We went to Parque Lleras for a quiet Sunday night. She got a non-alcoholic drink and was a bit reserved, but carried on a polite conversation. Little touching. I thought this would be a dud evening. Later she drank some Bacardi and loosened up some. We went for a walk, and I pulled her in for a kiss: she responded. Cab back to Jake's where I put on some music and we danced in my room, and she drank quite a bit more. She really likes techno and selected song after song. Slowly we undressed each other while dancing, then had hard and fast sex. We relaxed some, she picked more music and started dressing, by now quite drunk. As she dressed, I kissed and caressed her body and she did some raegatton in my face. Now SHE got horny again, pulled of her panties and shirt and asked for a second condom! This was a first at Jake's. More sex, almost pornstar. We relaxed, she drank more, and then wanted a third condom! More sex. A little later I gave her DATY followed by a fourth round. After this, she got dressed for real and left. Wow. I usually enjoy the dates for the date portion, but here the sex was absolutely top notch. (Yes, I had used some Viagra, because I had just flown in and was tired.).

The second date was with "DD", who was olive skinned (Black dad, blonde mom, she said), slender, beautiful. "DD" was 23, had an 8-year-old kid, but the stomach was nice and flat. She was more socially skilled in conversation, drank some, but didn't get drunk like why. We had a first drink, moved to a disco (second floor at one of the short ends of Parque Lleras) where we ate, drank some more, and danced some. Good amount of kissing and snuggling. Back at Jake's, we danced. Again, I let her pick the music: better if she girls gets "into her moves". She danced on the bed, I on the floor, then onto average sex. Overall, "the" was very pleasant throughout the evening and a sight for sore eyes.

I took a break for a few days, then I went out with "CC", whom I'd seen on an earlier visit. She is short, a little rounder (including an awesome chest). At 20 she's fine, but could swell to a gordita in a few years. She's half-way through a 3-year degree as an "executive secretary. " "CC" knows how to party: drink and dance and chat. We went to Setenta in Laureles and stayed for four hours at the same place were the music was great, and the crowd friendly. Lots of snuggling and making out and slow dances, me with a constant boner. In the taxi going home she faced me in a girlfriend embrace the whole way back. No seat belts here. We had both drunk a little too much: light headaches. We looked at photos, played music (no dancing), then had good GFE sex which ended late, around 2 pm. Then we both fell asleep! She woke up at dawn, felt awkward for accidentally staying toda la noche, went to the bathroom to shower and vomit to lessen the hangover (she said), then left after a little hugging and kissing. I was hung over into the afternoon.

For the fourth date, I saw "VV": gorgeous, petite, olive skinned, slender, 19. She had a 3-year-old daughter and her tummy was stretched a bit soft, the only "stain" on an otherwise perfect body. "Vv" was very sweet and cuddly. We had a mixed-meat dish at Cielo Divino in Parque Lleras, drank some, but not lots. Then we danced at that same disco. She kept being very sweet, but the mood was not to totally let ourselves go. Back at Jake's we danced some (again), she then pushed me down on the bed, face up, and she slowly strip-danced naked over me. Her hair went down to her butt! What a gorgeous sight with this dark, smiley angel shaking her little body above me. Then sex, and here I got a bit annoyed, because it seemed like she was trying to get me off quick. Perhaps she wanted back to her kid? This was a first with Jake's girls, as they usually take their time. In total, the evening lasted over four hours, so I suppose I got good value overall.

Finally, there was another CC, "CC2", that I had seen on an my first trip and had a giant crush on then. 28, pretty, looks young, cleans for a living, never finished high school, knows how to party and drink, VERY GFE, though borderline drunkard as she insisted on more when I said enough. Anyway, it seemed like one of those rare cases where we really had a connection and she was really into me too. We called and emailed and met on my second trip. Now it was clear that it was pretense on her part (bummer!) and I lost my crush, but still had fun. At the end, she wanted quite a big "gift" for various issues at home. Still, "CC2" said to next time visit her at home (she lives with her parents in Santo Domingo). Afterwards, I found out that several guys have had the same experience: paying for "second floor" family health issues, her dental work, and her suddenly "losing" her cleaning job, only to regain it again. Now on this last trip, I called her up to meet up as friend and me finally getting to see her house. We met, but she didn't want to meet at her house. We ate, talked, then she wanted to get paid for her time! This really devolved from "te extrano mucho mi amor" to "hey I need money. " Still, she's fun for a single evening, but don't get sucked in like me and several other guys -- this is one skilled actress.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1796857]See post #182244, you really need to do your homework and get the whole story on CD before shooting your mouth off. Because you are "special" student, I'll give you a cheat sheet. You don't even have to register, just go to the general section, right now there are about 40 pages about him. In particular see the comments of BangBang57, a guy who knows him very well and is sort of the "king" of that forum.

.[/QUOTE]/ QUOTE].

I have spent quite a little time looking for the post #182244. Would you please give me the exact forum it is on? I also could not find BangBang57. Maybe I don't know how to search for stuff on ISG as I typed on the search tab on the top right of the home page with no luck.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1798411]/ QUOTE]I have spent quite a little time looking for the post #182244. Would you please give me the exact forum it is on? I also could not find BangBang57. Maybe I don't know how to search for stuff on ISG as I typed on the search tab on the top right of the home page with no luck.[/QUOTE]Can't say directly here, this is on the large gringo forum Costa Rica are the first two words. This is not the ISG forum. The last word is ticas. It is what Jonesie refers to as the "trailer park illuminati" on his forums, he's right.

Don't think Dave ever meant to do any harm, or that he is even a bad guy, but the unintended consequences of his actions did occur. A case in point that I had firsthand experience with: A Delta mechanic is driving home from his graveyard shift, falls asleep, crosses the centerline on a freeway and hits another car traveling in the opposite direction, heard-on. In this other vehicle a mother / daughter are killed. If that wasn't bad enough, try and imagine the reaction of the ER Dr, who was the husband / father of the victims.

The mechanic was a just a hardworking regular guy who never intended to cause any harm, still he took 2 lives and destroyed a family, and must be held accountable for his actions. That's why he is presently doing time for manslaughter.

Not saying Dave is a bad guy, just that he brought a lot of grief to a lot of people, and that one just never knows when the karma bus will be rounding the corner.

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1798226]Yup prices may very on the guy and what the girl thinks of him. Younger guy, in shape vs older guy out of shape etc.

Anyways we are good. Enough girls and range of prices for everyone in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Enjoy it while you can, but what if I am an older guy who is in better shape than 90% of the younger guys? Answer: I get a lot of compliments but still pay they same as other older guys. LOL.

Once a chica who is probably the current most popular performer in CR, "Luna" told me. " The old guys are all nice and generous but nothing to look at and the young guys are nice to look at, but they are ALL assholes. " Not sure what she meant but can't help think it must have had something to do with what different guys paid her. I don't think that deep down inside they really like us at all, they just like the $$ we pay them, and usually treat them better than their countrymen.

Yes, plenty of girls at all price ranges in MDE.

Wow who is the girl in black and long gold earings.

[QUOTE=ThreeHoleLov;1056323]My trip to Medellin has evolved over the years, girls are getting bitchier, things are getting more expensive and Medellin is getting more westernized. Medellin still has about 5 to 7 years of game left before it is lost to the mankind due to westernization and feminism.

Still not the same as a few years back, but still has a lot of game. Getting high quality girls is still difficult. I have tried to grade the quality of the girls, money spend and Chica performance. This is my perspective; everyone has their own perspective of things. I tried to tour all the available avenues and report on this thread.

I arrived in Medellin via Panama, by the time I got to my apartment it as 10:00 PM, too early for Medellin. First I need to get into the party mood, opened the duty free liquor I bought, took a shower and downed a few glasses of liquor. Called up the taxi and asked him to head down to San Diego! IT was Wed night, not many guys but plenty of pussy. Only a few were really good looking, others were just mediocre. I was very horny but was not ready to fuck in San Diego; I need to fuck in my own bed and in the comforts of my own apartment. Using my broken Spanish, I negotiated $120K, for chica and $100K for the house; I also paid $80 for the drinks, $15K for taxi each way from my apartment. Took the chica home and banged her until 4:00 AM. Covered blowjob, no kissing, sex was intense or at least she pretended it was intense, Chica wanted to go home and I called it a day.

Day 1. Sandiego, Looks: 8, performance: 6, $$: high, total damage $330K ($170USD)

Next day I decide to check out the El Centro casas, all the action in El Centro happens during the day. I think they close at 8:00 PM and it is not safe be in El Centro that late. My trusted taxi driver showed up at 11:00 AM, I woke up with severe hangover from all the drinking last night. Well took some pills and got ready for round 2. The taxi fee is about 60K for 3 hours pre negotiated. He took me too many casas, the quality was bad in most houses, in many places I was offered 2 girls for $75K ($40USD) for one hour. I pushed him to take me to more house, we kept going. There was one on Peru Street, no name that I really liked, they had about 20 girls, and some were very good looking. The offer rate is $90K for 2 girls for 30 min. I was told CASA sexy also has similar pricing, and it changes depending on the day, and the driver you know, he can negotiate on your behalf. I picked the two best looking girls, paid $90K at the window, grabbed few bottles of liquor $10K and got into the room. I was ready to fuck the girl, I am sure how safe they were, I just got blowjobs for 30 min, the girls took turns until I came. We had a shower, together, no kissing, covered blow job, they were ready for all positions and all holes, but I was not. I have the girl 10K each as tip.

In the evening we out to Colombian Moda, a fashion show that is an annual event in Medellin. Lots of good looking chicas, photos attached, I tried my best to earn a date but got rejected by all! I am a hard core night club hopper in Chicago and I have no shame in asking a girl for a date. These model looking girls have seen it all and are not going to fall for my tricks. At night I called a girl Angie that I met on dating site [url]http://www.romancelatina.com[/url], she seemed nice, she is 18, nice body, really did not get into the topic of money I. E. She is not a prepaid or a semi pro, just wanted to get to know me at least for now!. We walked in Lleras, eat at good restaurants and drank a lot of michiladas (beer and lime). Dinner for two and few drinks costs about 80K (40USD), not bad just chilled the night.

Day 2: El Centro casas, Looks 8, performance 7, $$: low total damage $180K (90 USD)

Day 3 again I woke up at 11 AM, typical Medellin wake up time. I have some local contacts who can hook me up with chicas, I wanted to try them. They market themselves as supplying college girls, they are not hookers, not had sex with many guys, they are more relaxed, not clock watchers. I called the guy up and asked him to send two girls. I said they can come at 3:00 PM, just chill etc. The pimp charges 25K for each girl. One showed up at 4:00 PM and another one at 5:00 PM, both are decent and have nice bodies, very young, one was 18 her name was Dani and other was 19 by name Mona. They both told me they are on Cupido.com and romancelatina.com; I could have saved $50 if I had hooked up with them online. They seemed relaxed and just wanted to chill, we started drinking and I started to fondle with their breast and ass. After an hour of drinking we decided to hit the bed. I love blowjobs, so at my request they spayed whipped cream on my dick and started to suck, they took turns, they licked my balls, my tits, arms, legs, any where I asked they licked complete BBBJ. I took turns and banged both, from the back, from the front, Mona had a great ass, and I could not get enough of it. The sex party lasted at least 2 hours until I came. Spectacular sex, kissing, BBBJ, licking, seduction, all holes, my bed, my Apt, my TV! They never negotiated the money, they never looked at the clock, they were just relaxed and did anything I asked them todo!. I gave $150K each and $20 each for the taxi also ordered Pizza and paid $60K for the pizza. At night I called Angie again and asked her to join me for dinner, we walked again in Lleras, lots of kissing and fondling, lots of good food and liquor, just a romantic evening and romantic date!.

Total impact: $300 for the girls, $50 for pimp, $80 taxi, $60 Pizza

Day3: Girls from the pimp Looks 8, Performance 9, $$ high total damage $390K (200 USD)

Day 4 my last day. I asked Angie to show up late evening so we can go to the movies, she showed up at 4 PM, dressed in sexy skirt and a white top. She had a very nice ass and perfect tear drop shaped natural breasts. We started hugging and kissing as soon as she arrived. We drank for few hours and then I took her to my bed, we spent almost an hour just kissing, fondling, and licking each other. She rubbed honey, Condensed milk, chocolate on my dick and my body and licked me top to bottom. We took breaks, ate food, sucked each other, jumped in to the showers many times to clean the mess, and fucked for many hours. One of the best nights I had. We fucked and fucked and fucked until we got exhausted and could not do it anymore! Incredible!

Day 4: Local Date Looks 8, Performance 10, $$ low total damage $40K (20 USD) taxi money and 50, 000 peso I gave her to buy gifts for her mom on her birthday.

Total money spent $2250 USD including $580 in airfare, $300 for the room, and the rest on girls and food.

Note to readers: If you happened to see the girls in the pictures posted on this thread in Medellin, please do not tell them their photos are posted on ISG. I did mask the faces to avoid this issue. This happened to be quite a few times, guys who cannot stop being curious telling chicas, "I saw your photo on ISG! ", they get freaked out!. They will chase me until I contact ISG and have the photo or thread removed. Please maintain a very tight upper lip!

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1798535]Wow who is the girl in black and long gold earings.[/QUOTE]Talk about Reading the Fucking Forum, that post is from 2010!

[QUOTE=SurfLooker;1798226]Yup prices may very on the guy and what the girl thinks of him. Younger guy, in shape vs older guy out of shape etc.

Anyways we are good. Enough girls and range of prices for everyone in Medellin.[/QUOTE]And also if she's seen you before. If you haven't met one another previously, she is basically showing up to a "blind date" at your apartment. For all she knows, you might not be there, you might not pay her, or you might be a stinky, crazy, or even violent creep. Many Facebook girls will want some type of premium to compensate them for this risk.

Once you develop a rapport with a chica (if you do), prices can come down quite a bit. Of course, many on here rarely stay in MDE for longer than a week or two at a time. And many also want to bone a bunch of different hot-looking women. So developing a rapport with one specific girl may not be feasible.

Went to new life yesterday and the day before went for 30 mins and 1 hour respectively. Was short changed by about 14-15 minutes each time. The iimbecile in the counter timestamps a time which is earlier than the time at which the clock runs in the rooms. Was annoyed but didn't want to argue since I don't speak Spanish. Plus I used a stop watch. So please watch out. Some hot girls though.

[QUOTE=ThingyBob;1798868]Went to new life yesterday and the day before went for 30 mins and 1 hour respectively. Was short changed by about 14-15 minutes each time. The iimbecile in the counter timestamps a time which is earlier than the time at which the clock runs in the rooms. Was annoyed but didn't want to argue since I don't speak Spanish. Plus I used a stop watch. So please watch out. Some hot girls though.[/QUOTE]Guys disregard what I said below. Went there again today brilliant service, I think what happened to me yesterday was a one off.

Hey fellas,

I'm just back from spending 8 full days (and 2 partial days) in Medellin. And because a couple of you helped me when I had a few questions a few weeks ago before my trip, I'm now returning the favor and posting some fresh information for others to use.

Please accept my apologies in advance for the very-detailed nature of this trip report. I know many of you veteran mongers will find the following details very tedious. However, it's my opinion that traveling mongers want to know not only costs, but also the process you go through when you visit casas or strip clubs in Medellin. When you're armed with accurate information, you're less likely to be taken advantage of because you won't be walking into an establishment looking and acting like a deer in the headlights, LOL. So, here we go:

1) Fase II (Fase Dos): 7,000 to 10,000 COP taxi charge from Poblado. The entry fee is 20,000 COP. After you pay the security guard at the door, you will be quickly patted down / frisked. Beer is 17,000 COP and liquor is available (and costs more, of course). Do not try to sit next to the stage while drinking beer; you will be asked to move to the bar and told that sitting next to the stage is a privilege you earn when you buy a bottle of liquor. Girls occasionally dance on stage and will then circle the room asking for tips. You can politely decline or pay a small tip; 2,000 COP is common. Select your girl and pay the cashier at the bar 180,000 COP for 45 minutes. Exit the club and go next door (towards the right) with your girl to a large building with cabanas inside. The woman at the desk will charge you 5,000 COP for a condom but you are welcome to bring your own.

2) New Life: There is no sign that says "New Life" on the front of the building. The only noticeable characteristic of the business is a bright blue front door. You will be buzzed through this blue door and then through two metal grate doors as you walk down a short hallway. At the end of the hallway, climb the stairs; a male employee will motion for you to sit in one of several open rooms with other customers. The girls then walk through the rooms, shake your hand, and tell you their names. Bottled drinks are available for purchase as you wait to make your selection (bottled water = 2,000 COP). Tell the male employee the name of the girl that you want; he will get her and then you and her will go off to a room together. Negotiate what you want; 30 minutes = 40,000 COP. Of course, more time = more COP. When finished, pay the cashier for your girl (and the drink) and leave the same way as you came in, being buzzed out as you walk down the stairs and through the same doors you entered.

3) Barra Ejecutiva: 10,000 COP taxi charge from Poblado. There is no entry fee and no pat down / frisking from security at the entrance. Watch out for hustlers standing nearby, especially a guy who loudly claps his hands and speaks English, encouraging people entering Barra Ejecutiva to visit his club immediately next door. Go down a well-lit hallway into the club. Beer (Pilsen) 7,000 COP with Club Colombia (I think) 9,000 COP; liquor is also available. Grab a table and chair and sit wherever you want. Girls frequently dance on stage and then circle the room for tips (just like at Fase Dos). Again, 2,000 COP tip is common. Negotiate directly with the girls. Prices vary wildly; I was quoted 90,000 COP (for 30 minutes) by one girl and 70,000 COP and 80,000 COP (again, for 30 minutes) by two others. Select your girl and pay her; she will take the money to the cashier at the bar and get a condom (but like Fase Dos, you are free to bring your own). A security guard will open a metal door in the men's bathroom and you and your girl will walk through and then climb a tight, spiral metal staircase to the bedrooms upstairs. There are 8 rooms total, and if they are all occupied you may have to wait a few minutes. A male employee named "Lulo" watches the clock, knocks on the doors, and then cleans up a little when a room becomes available. Do the deed and then leave the same way you entered.

4) Sildenafil (Viagra and its generic equivalents) are available for purchase over-the-counter without a prescription. At Pasteur Farmacia, 2 tablets of 50 MG Viagra are 58,700 COP, while 1 tablet of 100 MG Viagra is 25,000 COP. 2 tablets of generic 50 MG Viagra is 5,600 COP or 18,000 COP (depends of the manufacturer), while 1 tablet of 100 MG generic Viagra is 5,900 (manufactured by Genfar and packaged as "Sildenafilo" in a small red and white box). The Viagra is, of course, imported while the generic versions are made by a Colombian manufacturer and another manufacturer. I purchased 20 tablets of the generic Genfar "Sildenafilo" and, to avoid the prying eyes and questions of US Customs, simply removed the tablets from their blister packs and put them in an Ibuprofen bottle. The friendly receptionist at my hotel told me he bought something called "Lobo" at a sex shop in Medellin; he claimed it worked better than Viagra. "Lobo," according to him, is ONLY sold in sex shops and costs 13,000 COP for two tablets.

So there you have it. Questions / comments are welcome from other ISG members. Hopefully this information will help some mongers cut out the middlemen who lurk on this board and advertise the girls that they want you to meet.

One final note: If you like clean facilities, go to Fase Dos. If you want a cheap fuck, go to New Life. And if you want to hang out with the locals and a real "working-man's" club, go to Barra Ejecutiva. Personally, I liked Barra Ejecutiva, even if their rooms upstairs were a little nasty LOL.

Good stuff Quagmire but what about your personal experience, was it good? How did the talent look at the various places you went to? What hotel did you stay at? This info is also helpful to the board. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799106]2) New Life: There is no sign that says "New Life" on the front of the building. The only noticeable characteristic of the business is a bright blue front door. You will be buzzed through this blue door and then through two metal grate doors as you walk down a short hallway. At the end of the hallway, climb the stairs; a male employee will motion for you to sit in one of several open rooms with other customers. The girls then walk through the rooms, shake your hand, and tell you their names. Bottled drinks are available for purchase as you wait to make your selection (bottled water = 2,000 COP). Tell the male employee the name of the girl that you want; he will get her and then you and her will go off to a room together. Negotiate what you want; 30 minutes = 40,000 COP. Of course, more time = more COP. When finished, pay the cashier for your girl (and the drink) and leave the same way as you came in, being buzzed out as you walk down the stairs and through the same doors you entered..[/QUOTE]The blue door of New Life.

The entrance to Barra Ejecutiva on Calle 53.

The ISG asa map. The are many casas worthy of a monger's attention.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ptab=2&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&ie=UTF8&mid=zzgTRtD9VTmQ.kn7YEgWmCD9E[/URL]

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799106]Hey fellas,

I'm just back from spending 8 full days (and 2 partial days) in Medellin. And because a couple of you helped me when I had a few questions a few weeks ago before my trip, I'm now returning the favor and posting some fresh information for others to use.

Please accept my apologies in advance for the very-detailed nature of this trip report. I know many of you veteran mongers will find the following details very tedious. However, it's my opinion that traveling mongers want to know not only costs, but also the process you go through when you visit casas or strip clubs in Medellin. When you're armed with accurate information, you're less likely to be taken advantage of because you won't be walking into an establishment looking and acting like a deer in the headlights, LOL. So, here we go:

1) Fase II (Fase Dos): 7,000 to 10,000 COP taxi charge from Poblado. The entry fee is 20,000 COP. After you pay the security guard at the door, you will be quickly patted down / frisked. Beer is 17,000 COP and liquor is available (and costs more, of course). Do not try to sit next to the stage while drinking beer; you will be asked to move to the bar and told that sitting next to the stage is a privilege you earn when you buy a bottle of liquor. Girls occasionally dance on stage and will then circle the room asking for tips. You can politely decline or pay a small tip; 2,000 COP is common. Select your girl and pay the cashier at the bar 180,000 COP for 45 minutes. Exit the club and go next door (towards the right) with your girl to a large building with cabanas inside. The woman at the desk will charge you 5,000 COP for a condom but you are welcome to bring your own.[/QUOTE]Hey Quagmire, I think I met you at Fase Dos on Halloween. Glad you enjoyed Medellin, and good to hear you made it out to New Life!

[QUOTE=Socker;1799344]Good stuff Quagmire but what about your personal experience, was it good? How did the talent look at the various places you went to? What hotel did you stay at? This info is also helpful to the board. Thanks.

The blue door of New Life.

The entrance to Barra Ejecutiva on Calle 53.

The ISG asa map. The are many casas worthy of a monger's attention.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ptab=2&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&ie=UTF8&mid=zzgTRtD9VTmQ.kn7YEgWmCD9E[/URL][/QUOTE]I was at Fase Dos at the same time, Friday (10/30) was much better than Saturday night (10/31), as a lot of the girls took off for Halloween. Lots of silicon in Fase Dos, her are two chicas I took for a spin.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799106]Hey fellas,

I'm just back from spending 8 full days (and 2 partial days) in Medellin. And because a couple of you helped me when I had a few questions a few weeks ago before my trip, I'm now returning the favor and posting some fresh information for others to use.

Please accept my apologies in advance for the very-detailed nature of this trip report. I know many of you veteran mongers will find the following details very tedious. However, it's my opinion that traveling mongers want to know not only costs, but also the process you go through when you visit casas or strip clubs in Medellin. When you're armed with accurate information, you're less likely to be taken advantage of because you won't be walking into an establishment looking and acting like a deer in the headlights, LOL. So, here we go:


2) New Life: There is no sign that says "New Life" on the front of the building. The only noticeable characteristic of the business is a bright blue front door. You will be buzzed through this blue door and then through two metal grate doors as you walk down a short hallway. At the end of the hallway, climb the stairs; a male employee will motion for you to sit in one of several open rooms with other customers. The girls then walk through the rooms, shake your hand, and tell you their names. Bottled drinks are available for purchase as you wait to make your selection (bottled water = 2,000 COP). Tell the male employee the name of the girl that you want; he will get her and then you and her will go off to a room together. Negotiate what you want; 30 minutes = 40,000 COP. Of course, more time = more COP. When finished, pay the cashier for your girl (and the drink) and leave the same way as you came in, being buzzed out as you walk down the stairs and through the same doors you entered.
[/QUOTE]New Life was great that weekend too, I think I tried out 6 different girls there in 3 days, one session was a threesome with some culo grande putas! Out of the 4 chicas in the pic, only Samantha had a natural ass; BBBJ with all of them, but they ask for a propina.

Straight and to the point! I like it!

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799106]Hey fellas,

I'm just back from spending 8 full days (and 2 partial days) in Medellin. And because a couple of you helped me when I had a few questions a few weeks ago before my trip, I'm now returning the favor and posting some fresh information for others to use.

Please accept my apologies in advance for the very-detailed nature of this trip report. I know many of you veteran mongers will find the following details very tedious. However, it's my opinion that traveling mongers want to know not only costs, but also the process you go through when you visit casas or strip clubs in Medellin. When you're armed with accurate information, you're less likely to be taken advantage of because you won't be walking into an establishment looking and acting like a deer in the headlights, LOL. So, here we go:

1) Fase II (Fase Dos): 7,000 to 10,000 COP taxi charge from Poblado. The entry fee is 20,000 COP. After you pay the security guard at the door, you will be quickly patted down / frisked. Beer is 17,000 COP and liquor is available (and costs more, of course). Do not try to sit next to the stage while drinking beer; you will be asked to move to the bar and told that sitting next to the stage is a privilege you earn when you buy a bottle of liquor. Girls occasionally dance on stage and will then circle the room asking for tips. You can politely decline or pay a small tip; 2,000 COP is common. Select your girl and pay the cashier at the bar 180,000 COP for 45 minutes. Exit the club and go next door (towards the right) with your girl to a large building with cabanas inside. The woman at the desk will charge you 5,000 COP for a condom but you are welcome to bring your own.

2) New Life: There is no sign that says "New Life" on the front of the building. The only noticeable characteristic of the business is a bright blue front door. You will be buzzed through this blue door and then through two metal grate doors as you walk down a short hallway. At the end of the hallway, climb the stairs; a male employee will motion for you to sit in one of several open rooms with other customers. The girls then walk through the rooms, shake your hand, and tell you their names. Bottled drinks are available for purchase as you wait to make your selection (bottled water = 2,000 COP). Tell the male employee the name of the girl that you want; he will get her and then you and her will go off to a room together. Negotiate what you want; 30 minutes = 40,000 COP. Of course, more time = more COP. When finished, pay the cashier for your girl (and the drink) and leave the same way as you came in, being buzzed out as you walk down the stairs and through the same doors you entered.

3) Barra Ejecutiva: 10,000 COP taxi charge from Poblado. There is no entry fee and no pat down / frisking from security at the entrance. Watch out for hustlers standing nearby, especially a guy who loudly claps his hands and speaks English, encouraging people entering Barra Ejecutiva to visit his club immediately next door. Go down a well-lit hallway into the club. Beer (Pilsen) 7,000 COP with Club Colombia (I think) 9,000 COP; liquor is also available. Grab a table and chair and sit wherever you want. Girls frequently dance on stage and then circle the room for tips (just like at Fase Dos). Again, 2,000 COP tip is common. Negotiate directly with the girls. Prices vary wildly; I was quoted 90,000 COP (for 30 minutes) by one girl and 70,000 COP and 80,000 COP (again, for 30 minutes) by two others. Select your girl and pay her; she will take the money to the cashier at the bar and get a condom (but like Fase Dos, you are free to bring your own). A security guard will open a metal door in the men's bathroom and you and your girl will walk through and then climb a tight, spiral metal staircase to the bedrooms upstairs. There are 8 rooms total, and if they are all occupied you may have to wait a few minutes. A male employee named "Lulo" watches the clock, knocks on the doors, and then cleans up a little when a room becomes available. Do the deed and then leave the same way you entered.

4) Sildenafil (Viagra and its generic equivalents) are available for purchase over-the-counter without a prescription. At Pasteur Farmacia, 2 tablets of 50 MG Viagra are 58,700 COP, while 1 tablet of 100 MG Viagra is 25,000 COP. 2 tablets of generic 50 MG Viagra is 5,600 COP or 18,000 COP (depends of the manufacturer), while 1 tablet of 100 MG generic Viagra is 5,900 (manufactured by Genfar and packaged as "Sildenafilo" in a small red and white box). The Viagra is, of course, imported while the generic versions are made by a Colombian manufacturer and another manufacturer. I purchased 20 tablets of the generic Genfar "Sildenafilo" and, to avoid the prying eyes and questions of US Customs, simply removed the tablets from their blister packs and put them in an Ibuprofen bottle. The friendly receptionist at my hotel told me he bought something called "Lobo" at a sex shop in Medellin; he claimed it worked better than Viagra. "Lobo," according to him, is ONLY sold in sex shops and costs 13,000 COP for two tablets.

So there you have it. Questions / comments are welcome from other ISG members. Hopefully this information will help some mongers cut out the middlemen who lurk on this board and advertise the girls that they want you to meet.

One final note: If you like clean facilities, go to Fase Dos. If you want a cheap fuck, go to New Life. And if you want to hang out with the locals and a real "working-man's" club, go to Barra Ejecutiva. Personally, I liked Barra Ejecutiva, even if their rooms upstairs were a little nasty LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799106]Fase II (Fase Dos): The entry fee is 20,000 COP.[/QUOTE]What day and time were you there? The night that I went the cover was 10K.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799106]3) Barra Ejecutiva: Negotiate directly with the girls. Prices vary wildly; I was quoted 90,000 COP (for 30 minutes) by one girl and 70,000 COP and 80,000 COP (again, for 30 minutes) by two others.[/QUOTE]I have never been told more than 70K in this strip club and assumed that was the standard price.

Hey guys,

Me and my buddies are going to Medellin this Sunday. We were there before for only couple of days and got to hang out at mansion and got some pretty cool chicks. We were wondering is that the only place like that or are there other places to check out that is similar to mansion.

[QUOTE=Socker;1799344]Good stuff Quagmire but what about your personal experience, was it good? How did the talent look at the various places you went to? What hotel did you stay at? This info is also helpful to the board. Thanks.

The blue door of New Life.

The entrance to Barra Ejecutiva on Calle 53.

The ISG asa map. The are many casas worthy of a monger's attention.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ptab=2&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&ie=UTF8&mid=zzgTRtD9VTmQ.kn7YEgWmCD9E[/URL][/QUOTE]I was lodged at Hotel Sites in Poblado for 9 nights. The hotel is a 7-minute walk from Parque Lleras, a 5-minute walk from an Exito supermarket, and a 7-minute walk from the Poblado Metro station. I'll be writing a review of my stay at this hotel over on TripAdvisor within the next few days, and you'll know which review is mine because I will specifically mention this walking time again when I write the review.

Honestly, I had a great time. I love everything about Colombia: the food, natural sights, and people. And mongering is just icing on the cake whenever I've visited that country. As far as the talent at Fase Dos, New Life, and Barra Ejecutiva is concerned, there were chicas there for all tastes. I tend to prefer petite girls with natural tits and firm bubble butts and had no problem finding that type at all three locations. Guys who prefer taller chicas with bolt-ONS, big asses, and tiny waists won't have a problem finding that in those places, either.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1799420]Hey Quagmire, I think I met you at Fase Dos on Halloween. Glad you enjoyed Medellin, and good to hear you made it out to New Life![/QUOTE]LMMFAO! Yeah, Halcyon901, I think you and I did meet! I jumped in the taxi and headed back to the hotel about 5 minutes after you left Fase Dos with Wonder Woman! Are you back from Bangkok already?

About New Life. I went on the Monday after Halloween. I was supposed to do the Exotic Fruit Tour with Real City Tours but they didn't run the tour that day because it was a religious holiday. So I had plenty of extra time in the afternoon. I dropped by New Life about 2 in the afternoon and they were busy as hell. I ended up taking a chica named Vivianna for a spin. She was wearing a short little skirt over her bubble butt and I thought "Hmm that might be fun. " But when we got up in the bedroom and she took her skirt off, her ass cheeks had stretch marks and I was like "Man, WTF! And then I thought about you and your comment at fase Dos about chicas injecting silicone in their asses to make them look bigger and I think that's what happened with Vivianna. After I was done I chatted with some nice guys from Texas and Maryland in the waiting area on the way out. Not a bad way to spend an hour on a Monday afternoon, if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1799439]Straight and to the point! I like it![/QUOTE]Thank you. I take a lot of pride in my trip reports. Over on TripAdvisor, I have 26 hotel reviews, 76 "helpful votes," and over 300 forum posts. The internet is a wonderful tool for sharing information, and I believe the best way to help other people have a safe and enjoyable trip is by giving them fresh information that they can use when they're overseas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1799464]What day and time were you there? The night that I went the cover was 10K.

I have never been told more than 70K in this strip club and assumed that was the standard price.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this post. Honestly, I'm a little confused about the entry fee to Fase Dos as well. I was charged 20,000 COP, the Medellin also states that the cost is 20,000 COP. But on the night I met Halcyon901 at Fase Dos, he stated that the entry fee is only 10,000 COP. So it looks like the security guard might be overcharging people as often as he can. If others can chime in about the price, that would be helpful to everyone.

At Barra Ejecutiva on the first night, a chica I eyed quoted me 90,000 COP. She was petite and attractive, but the high price and the tattoo above her left tit (that she tried to hide with her long hair, go figure) was a turn-off. So I settled on Sofia (petite, 19 years old, firm body) for 70,000 COP. On the next night, I selected Julianna, a 29-year-old beautiful black pearl with a great body for 80,000 COP. I'm a firm believer that there's nothing wrong with paying a little more for quality, and that in life, you get what you pay for.

Hi guys,

I've been a lurker and will be in Medellin for 17 days. I've been to Philippines, Costa Rica, pattaya, and panama. Does the Poblado area have a specific pickup bars / discotecas for prepagos? Are there any specific known hotel bars that they frequent? I've been to panama and was wondering if they have an area like Habanos bar or the Veneto. Casas are fun and all but I really prefer the free range type. Thanks. And yes I did use the search.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799572]Thank you for this post. Honestly, I'm a little confused about the entry fee to Fase Dos as well. I was charged 20,000 COP, the Medellin also states that the cost is 20,000 COP. But on the night I met Halcyon901 at Fase Dos, he stated that the entry fee is only 10,000 COP. So it looks like the security guard might be overcharging people as often as he can. If others can chime in about the price, that would be helpful to everyone.

At Barra Ejecutiva on the first night, a chica I eyed quoted me 90,000 COP. She was petite and attractive, but the high price and the tattoo above her left tit (that she tried to hide with her long hair, go figure) was a turn-off. So I settled on Sofia (petite, 19 years old, firm body) for 70,000 COP. On the next night, I selected Julianna, a 29-year-old beautiful black pearl with a great body for 80,000 COP. I'm a firm believer that there's nothing wrong with paying a little more for quality, and that in life, you get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I personally never paid more than 10,000 cop to get into Fase 2.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799562]LMMFAO! Yeah, Halcyon901, I think you and I did meet! I jumped in the taxi and headed back to the hotel about 5 minutes after you left Fase Dos with Wonder Woman! Are you back from Bangkok already?

About New Life. I went on the Monday after Halloween. I was supposed to do the Exotic Fruit Tour with Real City Tours but they didn't run the tour that day because it was a religious holiday. So I had plenty of extra time in the afternoon. I dropped by New Life about 2 in the afternoon and they were busy as hell. I ended up taking a chica named Vivianna for a spin. She was wearing a short little skirt over her bubble butt and I thought "Hmm that might be fun. " But when we got up in the bedroom and she took her skirt off, her ass cheeks had stretch marks and I was like "Man, WTF! And then I thought about you and your comment at fase Dos about chicas injecting silicone in their asses to make them look bigger and I think that's what happened with Vivianna. After I was done I chatted with some nice guys from Texas and Maryland in the waiting area on the way out. Not a bad way to spend an hour on a Monday afternoon, if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Good stuff buddy! All I did was New Life during the day, I think 6 different chicas in 3 days; I think I spent close to 2 hours each day there. For a 1 hour 45 minute session, it came out to 115,000 COP to the house.

Bangkok is in 10 days, and I just booked a trip to Rio in January for a few nights, so reading up as much as I can on ISG, as its my first time in both countries. Safe travels!

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1799572]Thank you for this post. Honestly, I'm a little confused about the entry fee to Fase Dos as well. I was charged 20,000 COP, the Medellin also states that the cost is 20,000 COP. But on the night I met Halcyon901 at Fase Dos, he stated that the entry fee is only 10,000 COP. So it looks like the security guard might be overcharging people as often as he can. [/QUOTE]It's 20 k during peak times and 10 k when it's slower.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1799884]Good stuff buddy! All I did was New Life during the day, I think 6 different chicas in 3 days; I think I spent close to 2 hours each day there. For a 1 hour 45 minute session, it came out to 115,000 COP to the house.

Bangkok is in 10 days, and I just booked a trip to Rio in January for a few nights, so reading up as much as I can on ISG, as its my first time in both countries. Safe travels![/QUOTE]Sounds like you tore through Medellin pretty well. I bow to your superior shagging skills!

You travel quite a bit, so I know you're aware that you'll need a visa to enter Brazil. They're pretty easy to obtain, just a lot of paperwork and some fees to pay and then BAM! It's stuck to a page in your passport. For your lodging in Rio, check out "Rio Guest House" (also known as "Marta's Guest House" It isn't chica friendly but it's right on the beach and a 7-minute walk from the subway station. I was at Marta's for nine nights and enjoyed it.

Have fun in Bangkok! I'm considering going there (and Chiang Mai) in 2016. Let me know if / when you drop a trip report here on ISG about Thailand.

Be safe out there!

[QUOTE=Monger261;1799842]Hi guys,

I've been a lurker and will be in Medellin for 17 days. I've been to Philippines, Costa Rica, pattaya, and panama. Does the Poblado area have a specific pickup bars / discotecas for prepagos? Are there any specific known hotel bars that they frequent? I've been to panama and was wondering if they have an area like Habanos bar or the Veneto. Casas are fun and all but I really prefer the free range type. Thanks. And yes I did use the search.[/QUOTE]Nope. No pickup bars for prepagos. You can stay at the Mansion, they bring girls in. Otherwise, use independents, casas and strip clubs or street girls. Medellin will never have a place like that; they won't allow it. They do not want to become a sex tourism destination. Everything needs to be discrete.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1800196]Everything needs to be discrete.[/QUOTE]Yup! Like in Raudal and De Greiff.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1800481]Yup! Like in Raudal and De Greiff.[/QUOTE]LOL. I think he more so means discreet in the tourist areas.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1800196]Nope. No pickup bars for prepagos. You can stay at the Mansion, they bring girls in. Otherwise, use independents, casas and strip clubs or street girls. Medellin will never have a place like that; they won't allow it. They do not want to become a sex tourism destination. Everything needs to be discrete.[/QUOTE]Much thanks for the reply Esteban. Do they at least blend it with the party crowd looking for work? Is the mansion more like the sportsman in CR where they have girls loitering or they have to be called in and requested? I'm trying to see if there's any reason for me to stay in the Poblado area than an area with better hotels since I'll most likely have to order takeout anyway.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Monger261;1799842]Hi guys,

I've been a lurker and will be in Medellin for 17 days. I've been to Philippines, Costa Rica, pattaya, and panama. Does the Poblado area have a specific pickup bars / discotecas for prepagos? Are there any specific known hotel bars that they frequent? I've been to panama and was wondering if they have an area like Habanos bar or the Veneto. Casas are fun and all but I really prefer the free range type. Thanks. And yes I did use the search.[/QUOTE]Nothing like that in Poblado, I'm here right now, the only pick up action in Poblado is the Mansion and that's geared more towards only serving its guest, it generally frowns on outsiders. Apart from that most people here do Facebook hook ups with girls. Best to try to get on the good side of some of the Medellin regulars on here and see if they will suggest you as a friend to some of the Medellin FB winners. Apart from that there are the casas during the day time, can always find a hottie in one of them and prices are pretty low but services can often be clinical tipping can often get a little more liberal service and then there are the strip clubs Fase Dose and Show San Diego to name a few at night, and then there is Mayorista street about a two to three block area where they have freelancers on one side of the street. Low prices but often sterol service. Most guys here are Mansion regulars some guys on here will do the Apartment rental thing and have FB hook ups.

Chris

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1800597]LOL. I think he more so means discreet in the tourist areas.[/QUOTE]Yep, but I could not refrain to write that. It sounded so laughable (yet I understand he meant as you write).

[QUOTE=Monger261;1800619]Much thanks for the reply Esteban. Do they at least blend it with the party crowd looking for work? Is the mansion more like the sportsman in CR where they have girls loitering or they have to be called in and requested? I'm trying to see if there's any reason for me to stay in the Poblado area than an area with better hotels since I'll most likely have to order takeout anyway.

Thanks[/QUOTE]You might want to take the time to read the Medellin forum thread, as well as checking out the threads on the Colombia index. You might be surprised at what you will find. Posters do not like to spoon feed other posters who have not done there own due diligence before asking questions.

This is my biggest pet peeve per se with the forum, is when posters refuse to take time to do their own due diligence before asking questions.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1800957]You might want to take the time to read the Medellin forum thread, as well as checking out the threads on the Colombia index. You might be surprised at what you will find. Posters do not like to spoon feed other posters who have not done there own due diligence before asking questions.

This is my biggest pet peeve per se with the forum, is when posters refuse to take time to do their own due diligence before asking questions.[/QUOTE]Or pay the 20 bucks so they can pm their questions and not tie up the board with old news that's been covered repeatedly.

Hey fellas,

After I posted my monger report (11/10/2015 22:15) here on ISG, a couple of you wanted to know some additional information (hotel, etc). For a detailed report of my hotel (Hotel Sites), you can head over to TripAdvisor. My review is titled Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin! Also, I have a forum post in the Medellin Travel Forum on TripAdvisor titled Just Back from Medellin (and Surroundings): November 2015. You're welcome to ask me any questions about any of that content here on ISG or over on TripAdvisor.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1800738]Nothing like that in Poblado, I'm here right now, the only pick up action in Poblado is the Mansion and that's geared more towards only serving its guest, it generally frowns on outsiders. Apart from that most people here do Facebook hook ups with girls. Best to try to get on the good side of some of the Medellin regulars on here and see if they will suggest you as a friend to some of the Medellin FB winners. Apart from that there are the casas during the day time, can always find a hottie in one of them and prices are pretty low but services can often be clinical tipping can often get a little more liberal service and then there are the strip clubs Fase Dose and Show San Diego to name a few at night, and then there is Mayorista street about a two to three block area where they have freelancers on one side of the street. Low prices but often sterol service. Most guys here are Mansion regulars some guys on here will do the Apartment rental thing and have FB hook ups.

Chris[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed response chris, guess I can check out cartagena as well now. I've done the random FB and dating sites before in CR, guess time to fire up the accounts.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1800997]Hey, Fellas -.

After I posted my monger report (11/10/2015 22:15) here on ISG, a couple of you wanted to know some additional information (hotel, etc). For a detailed report of my hotel (Hotel Sites), you can head over to TripAdvisor. My review is titled Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin! Also, I have a forum post in the Medellin Travel Forum on TripAdvisor titled Just Back from Medellin (and Surroundings): November 2015. You're welcome to ask me any questions about any of that content here on ISG or over on TripAdvisor.[/QUOTE]Tried last week unsuccessfully to find it but finally found your review today on Tripadvisor. Is the general area quiet, and was it chica friendly, and if so what are the terms?

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1801384]Tried last week unsuccessfully to find it but finally found your review today on Tripadvisor. Is the general area quiet, and was it chica friendly, and if so what are the terms?[/QUOTE]Hotel Sites is indeed chica friendly. Direct from my review on TripAdvisor:

"Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, Is Hotel Sites chica friendly? The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP".

According to the receptionist, the 7,500 COP charge is simply insurance you are buying in case your guest breaks something or runs off with hotel property.

And yes, Hotel Sites is in a very quiet area. You may hear an occasional motorcycle tearing-ass up the street, but you won't hear any highway or Parque Lleras noise at all, even though those things are only a few-minutes walk away from the hotel.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1801478]Hotel Sites is indeed chica friendly. Direct from my review on TripAdvisor:

"Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, Is Hotel Sites chica friendly? The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP".

According to the receptionist, the 7,500 COP charge is simply insurance you are buying in case your guest breaks something or runs off with hotel property.

And yes, Hotel Sites is in a very quiet area. You may hear an occasional motorcycle tearing-ass up the street, but you won't hear any highway or Parque Lleras noise at all, even though those things are only a few-minutes walk away from the hotel.[/QUOTE]Don't know how I missed that part.

[QUOTE=PaulPassem;1798376]I have earlier plugged Jake, because I enjoy the "girlfriend date experience" of going out for drinks and dance with someone who acts like she's my girlfriend. Here are the four dates from my last trip.

Note: I speak decent Spanish. I give them a total of 250-300 mil pesos, which is higher than the suggested 220 or so. You can have plain sex for cheaper, but for me the quality usually is worth it.

The first night I was with "YY", 21 years old, who has been working a regular job for one year after finishing a degree in Economics. "YY" is 5'2", slender, long black hair, cute. We went to Parque Lleras...[/QUOTE]PP, thanks again for your support and I'm sure we'll be seeing you in a few months! Steady stream of starving for sex horny guys staying here at ColombiaJake and enjoying the dates every night! Pub Rock opened this weekend in lleras and the live band had a nice sound playing covers and rockin the house! Good crowd but its definitely a place you want to bring a date. Had a group of four lonely mongers sit down near me and my girl and all they did all night was stare and wish they had what was sitting in my lap! Next time they will give me a call! Why not have Tatiana with big tits pictured below sitting on your lap listening to Rock and drinking Bud!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.

Just wanted to bookend my trip with this post that I am back in the states after 2 weeks in MDE. This trip spent more time with friends and simply enjoying the city with the nightlife and outskirt areas.

Other than a few very memorable casa visits at Energy (by the stadium) and New Life did not spend much time on the hunt. Perhaps I am just getting older or my mongering days just are not as exciting as they were years back. None-the-less had a great time and I will return. I must say that the experiences I had with the casa girls were some of the best GFE, fun and playful, that I have experienced in any country at any time. These Paisas really know how to treat a man!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1801478]Hotel Sites is indeed chica friendly. Direct from my review on TripAdvisor:

"Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, Is Hotel Sites chica friendly? The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP".

According to the receptionist, the 7,500 COP charge is simply insurance you are buying in case your guest breaks something or runs off with hotel property.

And yes, Hotel Sites is in a very quiet area. You may hear an occasional motorcycle tearing-ass up the street, but you won't hear any highway or Parque Lleras noise at all, even though those things are only a few-minutes walk away from the hotel.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Quagmire1974. Based on your good research and report, I just booked a couple of weeks at this place. Appears to be a optimal blend of location, comfort, cost and quiet with a "guest friendly" environment.

My first trip to MDE last July I stayed at an AirBnB place which was cheaper but just not up to my vacation / business travel standards. It was in Laureles and close to La 70 which was cool, but that was about it. Many have good experiences with AirBnb (as well as bad ones) and I will only say for me personally, I will never again do business with AirBnb. There are many other and better alternatives for all kinds of accommodations and I simply place too high a value on customer service to be jacked around by any company with such poor customer relations people in decision making positions. Peace out on that!

Since I have business in Poblado to attend to on this trip, I think Sites Hotel will work out great. Proximity to all the festivities and restaurants around Lleras w / o having to deal with the noise when I want to rest is a huge plus. Loving to walk makes the 10 or 15 minutes to get to Parque Lleras or the Metro an easy and welcomed pleasure.

BTW. On my MDE maiden voyage last Summer, I found Fase Dos by night and Energy by day to be consistently good. Never paid more than 10 k entry to Fase Dos. And the lady at Energy as well as some other casa adventures in my case, always collected after service was rendered. Using the Metro was fun and really easy. I found the taxis cheap and just fine. If one is new to MDE, I highly recommend the "free" Walking Tour. Just google "free walking tour Medellin" and it's there. It's quite informative about the history of Medellin and will get you close to the downtown casas too sans commentary; LOL!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1801878]Just wanted to bookend my trip with this post that I am back in the states after 2 weeks in MDE. This trip spent more time with friends and simply enjoying the city with the nightlife and outskirt areas.

Other than a few very memorable casa visits at Energy (by the stadium) and New Life did not spend much time on the hunt. Perhaps I am just getting older or my mongering days just are not as exciting as they were years back. None-the-less had a great time and I will return. I must say that the experiences I had with the casa girls were some of the best GFE, fun and playful, that I have experienced in any country at any time. These Paisas really know how to treat a man!

The Tall Man[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you had a great trip. I totally agree with the GFE at most of these casas. I had a great experience at New Life with "Barbie" yesterday. Great natural tits, lots of smiling and eye contact. My last two visits there were just like that. I stayed for a full hour and it was well worth the 100,000 COP (including 30,000 tip). Got to love the Paisa girls.

[QUOTE=jdit;1801994]Thank you, Quagmire1974. Based on your good research and report, I just booked a couple of weeks at this place. Appears to be a optimal blend of location, comfort, cost and quiet with a "guest friendly" environment.

My first trip to MDE last July I stayed at an AirBnB place which was cheaper but just not up to my vacation / business travel standards. It was in Laureles and close to La 70 which was cool, but that was about it. Many have good experiences with AirBnb (as well as bad ones) and I will only say for me personally, I will never again do business with AirBnb. There are many other and better alternatives for all kinds of accommodations and I simply place too high a value on customer service to be jacked around by any company with such poor customer relations people in decision making positions. Peace out on that!..[/QUOTE]You are welcome, Jdit. If I can help even one person have a more comfortable, safer, or more enjoyable trip to a destination from which I have just returned or have visited in the past, then I've done my job.

The receptionist at Hotel Sites that you will want to become friends with is a guy named Julian. He speaks great English and was able to answer any and all of my questions that I had. We even joked a couple of nights about heading over to Barra Ejecutiva together, but apparently Hotel Sites has a "no fraternization with the guest" policy and he wasn't able to go. He usually works the 2 pm to 10 pm shift at the front desk.

The only decent restaurant (thanks to Julian) that I discovered in Parque Lleras was a place called Angel's Steak House and Lounge. I had a steak (of course) and baked potato and they were delicious. Another great steakhouse just down the street (1 minute walk) from Hotel Sites is Cambalache Parrilla Argentina. Also, try Ocio, La Cantine, Tal Cual, La Provincia, and El Correo Carne and Vino. Most of those are located at the intersection of Calle 10 and Carrera 33 and you will need a taxi. Most entrees at those restaurants start at around 30,000 COP but WOW the food is great at each location. And they'll be packed with well-dressed Colombians enjoying dinner together in suits and ties or dresses, but I had no problems dining at those locations just wearing travel pants and a t-shirt. Keep in mind, too, that if you don't feel like going out to eat on some nights, you'll have a kitchenette in your room at Hotel Sites and the great Exito supermarket just down the street. If you're a coffee drinker, try to bring back some Juan Valdez ground coffee. I bought a bag of the Juan Valdez "Cumbre" (about 15,000 COP at Exito, I think) and just finished it today. Probably some of the best Colombian coffee I've ever had!

Yes, Real City Tours does the free walking tour in Medellin. I tried to book with them but saw that I would have been on the waiting list each time I tried, so it didn't work out. I also tried to get in on their Exotic Fruit Tour but they were booked solid on the one day that I had planned to go with them. Apparently, word has gotten out that they're a popular outfit.

Again, thanks for the kudos. Have a great trip and let us know how things worked out when you get back.

If all you want is a sexo report than read no further.

In MDE on Tuesday afternoon, and greeted by rain. Also a little rain today.

Taxi from the airport wanted 70 K. I took the bus to Centro instead for 9 K,and it took a while for the bus to fill up, but I was in no hurry since this is a dental trip for me. Metro was 2 K. Got a haircut for 8 K,and a pedacure for 10 k.

I had trouble at the upstairs airport ATM. I had to use 3 different cards, and after many trys I got my money. Turns out with the fee it came to around 3050 pesos per dollar. I think when I was here 18 months ago it was under 2,000 then.

Surprised there are already a lot of Christmas lights up.

First time in Colombia when I was not excited to be in country, but going to the dentist is no fun.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1797211]Yes those were were great posters, but lets not forget the legendary Urbanwildlife.[/QUOTE]Indeed! Time to Play and Old Parr bear a remarkable resemblance to 'Old Urban'. And before that, Urban's 'father' was known as On The Go but he got banned in a blaze of glory back in about 2004. Its nice to see the continuity. It gives one a warm fuzzy feeling.

I'm in Medellin now because I had a dental emergency. A crumbling bridge and a greedy dentist in Ft Lauderdale had me looking for alternatives and as I was familiar with Medallo from previous visits, I quickly booked a flight here. I'm having it done at a clinic near the mansion for a third of the price. Bright, modern professional place. Time will tell but I feel optimistic.

Due to the last minute situation I couldn't get into the mansion so I rented an apt on Airbnb. A week for $45 a night, a couple of blocks from the mansion / oviedo etc. Beautiful place, but the camaraderie of the mansion can't be beat.

I seldom read or post as the topics have been covered ad infinitum but as I was here I looked at the forum and saw Urban Wildlife was mentioned in dispatches and I just couldn't resist. Even swami Ricker is still here (peace to all; pass the bong etc).

I had an early morning flight from Cali to Mde on Viva Colombia airlines. I left my suitcase at the Hotel Cali Plaza and just took my backpack. Even with the added fees, it came out to around $80.00 usd. Since I was early, I took the bus to the San Diego mall. I was expecting a regular size bus, but it was more like a mini bus. It took about an hour to get there and you pay the driver before you get off. It was $9,000 cop. Had time to kill, so strolled through the mall, used the bathroom, then caught a taxi to Jake's place. Taxi fare was around $9,000, we did hit traffic. At the apartment, I took a nap and then headed off to Energy. At Energy I was presented with about 15 girls. Most looking pretty hot. How some of you guys remember names with a lineup like this, is amazing. I think the girl I took was named Andrea. Tall slim and pretty. Her session was just okay. CBJ, FIV, DATY, multi positions but no kissing. She was a trip though, while she was doing CG on me, I lightly spanked her ass. She first had a reaction that maybe I f_ up! Instead, she tells me to spank her harder. So I do, then she says harder with both hands. I'am slapping her ass so hard I was starting to sweat. How I kept my erection with my full concentration on spanking her, is beyond me. After a while my arms are dead. I tell her to get beneath me so I could finish in mish and give my arms a break. After finishing, my arms felt like I had pitched a complete 9 inning shutout. So it wasn't the best session, but it sure was unique.

Went back to Jake's place to rest up for my blind date. The girl I was set up with was named lorena. Very pretty girl, my type all the way. She arrives around 19:15. When I get in the taxi, I think I threw her off a little. She wanted to go to Parque Lleras but I told her I wanted to have some tapas. So we went to a restaurant in Poblado called Ole Ole. It was rated high on Trip Advisor but we thought it was just okay. Many tourist there because all I heard was English being spoken. It's funny, the table next to us had a group of 6 young guys who tried to be discreet but couldn't help but look at Lorena. I don't blame them. As far as dinner goes, the best tapas was the batata bravas. Everything else was just so so. The paella was one of the worst I ever had. The rice was dry and sticking to the pan. We shared a dessert but that was just okay also. From there, back to Jake's place for some fun. The session turned out just okay. CBJ, FIV, DATY, multi positions but no DFK. Only small pecks. She left between 22:30 and 23:00 and I gave her $250,000 cop.

Today I have a date with a girl a fellow member gave me contact info. For. Thanks V. I had called her from my phone when I was in Cali, but for some reason in Medellin my phone wouldn't connect. So yesterday, I asked the guard at Jake's apt. To lend me his phone. He was kind enough to let me use his phone and I called her. (I will call her A because I'am not sure I can give her contact info. Out). The phone dropped the call a couple of times so I tried as fast as I could the tell her to meet me at a restaurant called la Cantine. I would be in front of the restaurant at 13:00. With my shitty Spanish, I was just hoping she understood my directions. The restaurant was less than 10 minutes by taxi from Jake's place. I got there around 12:45 and waited outside for her. 13:00 comes around, nothing. I'am thinking either she's not coming, she didn't understand my directions, or hopefully, she's just running on So. America girl's time. 13:15 comes around and now I'am thinking she's not coming. The restaurant is an open air restaurant so I go inside and take a seat near the middle of the room looking towards the entrance. At about 13:25, I see a young girl at the front of the restaurant. I get up thinking it's her but then another girl, her friend apears and they start talking. Now, I'am really thinking she's a no show. Then the two girls at the front of the restaurant walks away from the restaurant but returns a short time later. The the first one comes inside the restaurant and ask the waiter for something. The waiter turns towards me and points to me. I did tell the waiter I was waiting for a friend earlier. Anyways, the girl heads towards me and I stand up and ask, are you A? She smiles and says yes. I was happy, a young, beautiful chick to have lunch with me. She then introduces me to her friend. I think she brought her as protection. She then asked me if I saw her outside. I said yes but since I didn't know what you looked like and I was expecting you to be alone, I didn't think she was my date. Once settled in, we had a great time. The food at this restaurant was probably the best meal I had in Medellin. I had the Duck, the two girls had the steak and fries, which they loved. The restaurant is high by Colombian standards, but when I saw my amex statement, it came out to $68.00 usd for the three of us. But again, the food was really good. After lunch, A asked what now? I said I never been to a love motel in Colombia, want to go there? She said yes and if I wanted her friend to come along. I told her I only wanted her but maybe next time. I gave her friend some money for the taxi back home and we ended up at La Cabana. It was $85.00 cop for six hours. I know we weren't going to be there that long because I had to get back to Jake's for an earlier than yesterday date. The hotel was a little run down but it did the trick. This young 18 year old gave me my first BBBJ of the trip and it was a good one. Before we had our clothes off we were making out like crazy. My type of girl. The whole session was GFE and the best session so far. After we finished, it seemed like she wanted to go another round. I told her I wanted to but I had to get back to meet a friend. Talk about bad timing. I was getting some information from her when I realize that my phone was gone. Because of this, I forgot to ask if I could give out her contact information. I gave her $200,000 cop and another $50,000 cop for taxi and tip. If I return to Medellin, she will probably be the first person I call.

Got back to Jake's place around 17:10 for a 17:30 date. I scheduled it early because I had a 05:45 flight back to Cali the next morning. She didn't arrive until 18:45. It was fine because I was able to converse with Eric and another guest until she arrived. The second blind date was Daisy. Another looker with a great body. She said she teaches dance and it shows. I was going to take her to a Peruvian restaurant but she wanted Mexican. We ended up in Parque Lleras and she took me to one of her favorite Mexican restaurants. This should work out since I wasn't that hungry after that great lunch that I had. She ordered a burrito and I ordered a taco with fries. This taco was probably one of the worst tacos I have ever eaten. I'am from L. A. So when they say taco de res, it usually means real meat. There idea is ground beef. I took two bites and just ate the fries. From there we head back to Jake's and this girl is another winner. GFE with plenty of DFK. So for my last night in Medellin, it couldn't have turned out any better, at least when the girl are concerned.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1802989]
Went back to Jake's place to rest up for my blind date. The girl I was set up with was named lorena. Very pretty girl, my type all the way. She arrives around 19:15. When I get in the taxi, I think I threw her off a little. She wanted to go to Parque Lleras but I told her I wanted to have some tapas. So we went to a restaurant in Poblado called Ole Ole. It was rated high on Trip Advisor but we thought it was just okay. Many tourist there because all I heard was English being spoken. It's funny, the table next to us had a group of 6 young guys who tried to be discreet but couldn't help but look at Lorena. I don't blame them. As far as dinner goes, the best tapas was the batata bravas. Everything else was just so so. The paella was one of the worst I ever had. The rice was dry and sticking to the pan. We shared a dessert but that was just okay also. From there, back to Jake's place for some fun. The session turned out just okay. CBJ, FIV, DATY, multi positions but no DFK. Only small pecks. She left between 22:30 and 23:00 and I gave her $250,000 cop.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reports. Which service did you use to hook up with this Lorena?

Hi Dell,

I used Jake for the introduction.

Q.

The forum has given a lot to me so I'll do my best and give back with a trip report. This was my second trip to the city, the first being during the World Cup. At that time I was with non hobbying friends so I focused on the local girls.

Sunday, Nov 8th.

I landed around 5:30 pm at MDE and made my way through customs. The airport is mid-sized so not too hard to navigate. On the second floor there are a series of ATMs that you can use. Citibank, the one I used, was a bit further down. I was able to take out 1. 5 M pesos, but I understand the maximum is 1. 6 M. They charge 3% for the conversion, but you get the market rate so better than exchanging USD at the cambio. Next was a taxi into the city. It was 60 k pesos (20) and took around 50 minutes to get to the Mansion. I suggest using the official taxis. The amount of money that you save using an unofficial one is just not worth the risk.

The mansion itself is a nice set up. The main Mansion has 12 rooms I believe. I stayed in #1 for the first two nights which was great. I don't mind spending a little bit more as I need to also work out of my room and it's nice to have more than just a bed ha ha. For the third night I was scheduled to be in room #10 at the Mansion 1, but it was double booked with my buddy so they transferred me up the hill to Mansion 2. It was a bit of a pain having to go up there, but they gave me a 10% discount and it was nice seeing another place. Overall Mansion 1 is where the action is at and Mansion 2 is where you go if you want some sleep ha ha. Free breakfast at both and treated well by all staff.

Sunday and Monday were DEAD at the Mansion. It was my first time there and an unfortunate experience. There were 4-5 girls on Sunday and 3-4 on Monday. None of which were to my liking. Things turned around a bit on Tuesday with 7-8 girls. I think someone raised hell with the owner and they brought some girls in. Cost was 150 k, but many girls started at 200 k first. Girls started arriving as early as 7-8 pm and the best selection was maybe 10 pm. Some guys who had been there longer said there were 20 girls on Friday / Saturday so I guess my timing was just off.

On Tuesday night we also went to two strip clubs. One was La Isla which was about 10-15 minus from the Mansion and cost 10 k to enter. It's basically a big warehouse looking place (although clean) with lots of couches and one main stage. Girls were 180 k I believe and pretty hot (although lots of fake stuff). I'the say there were 30-40 there. The biggest turnoff about the place is the upcharge on everything. Beers were 20 K and they made my buddy pay 20 k for a water although it was 5 k on the menu. Couldn't figure that one out. All in all good girls, but watch your wallet! Fase Dos was the second. It's closer the Mansion and I think prices on girls were the same although there were half as many and the quality was less. We didn't get there until a little after midnight so that might have been an issue as well.

Wednesday through Sunday I ended up getting a night penthouse place near Parque Lleras with two buddies and this is where things really took off for a number of reasons. There first was that a couple of the girls we met mentioned how big the use of Facebook is for some working girls. We each created new profiles for this, added a bunch of their friends and wallah. There were 6-12 girls to choose from every day. For these 'in calls' the cost was usually 200 k (I paid 150-250 k all in depending on girl looks and popularity), but the girls were young, hot and very GFE. They usually hung around for a bit as well. The second reason was Gusto nightclub. I had heard that Blue was the place to pick up girls, but Gusto is a pretty great one now as well. You need to be careful though as there are some girls that aren't working there as well (more on that later). The best time to arrive is 11 pm-11:30 pm. Wednesday and Thursday also seemed to be the best nights here for working girls. Many would start as high as $200 USD (but we played on their jealousy with other girls and pulled them for 200 k. The trick is to negotiate with them away from their friends and to let them know ' that another girl will go with you for 200 k, but you like them better. ' That usually did the trick.

On Saturday I nearly managed to take back two non-working girls, much to my surprise. My two buddies brought their prepagado girls and I just tagged along to dance. Next thing I know there are two college age girls, including one Selena Gomez twin, glancing our way. I introduce my self, ask them to dance, and then I buy them drinks (beers) and they accept. We dance more, lots of light touching with both girls and I ask them if they want to go back to party at our place (it's around 12:30 am) and they converse and agree. More dancing and at this point I pull them aside and I offer them 300 k (thinking 3-some). This results in puzzled looks and one of them asks to switch to English to make sure she understood. Myself, being an idiot, thought that I offended them so I raised the price to 350 k. It turns out they weren't working girls after all (ha ha)!! I of course apologized profusely and they continued to dance with me, but it did end my chances with them. Surprisingly they just liked dancing with a better dressed gringo and said the local guys just wanted to grope them (if only they knew).

Other places:

Babylon – Most popular place on Thursday nights with plenty of young female Paisas and loud dance music. A local friend said it was something like 50 pesos for guys and free for girls before 10 pm and then 70 pesos after. This was for all you can drink and it was open until late.

Envy (Top of Charlee Hotel) – It's free and has a great view of the city. We went on Thursday and Saturday and there were just enough people to fill the seats. Beers were 10 k and house drinks 22 k. No girl scene to speak of. I'm told Wednesday is the best night.

Kukaramakara – On the 7th Floor of Rio Sur mall. Nice place with good live, authentic Colombian pop music. Plenty of attractive local Colombian women. We paid 25,000 pesos ($12) for entry into both Kukaramakara and Sixttina.

Sixttina – 7th floor as well. Basically a higher end club playing reggaeton and electronica. It appeared to be a better heeled clientele. More guys than girls though.

Sinko Bar – 3rd floors of Rio Sur mall. Best meal that we had in Medellin. More pricey than other places, but I still think we only paid $25 each and that was for appetizers, meal, and a couple beers each. It had a nicer crowd of upper class Colombians with some gringos and dates mixed in. Nice balcony view of the city.

Gimnasio Santilla. I like to get a workout in most days and I found this gym to be pretty good. A week pass there is 55 k, but you can get daily passes through the mansion for 13.5 k. The place is large and although the equipment is a little bit old it works. Starting around 5 pm there is usually a good group of local paisan rolling in after work and my god many of them are knock outs. No need for motivation with a dozen of them around during your workout!

[QUOTE=QuackUp;1803353]Hi Dell,

I used Jake for the introduction.

Q.[/QUOTE]Ah, thanks. Just started reading up on Medellin. So far Jake seems to be a logical reference in Medellin to start off with. Especially for first timers.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1803364]Ah, thanks. Just started reading up on Medellin. So far Jake seems to be a logical reference in Medellin to start off with. Especially for first timers.[/QUOTE]Dellorto, I was a "first timer" to Medellin from October 30 to November 8 and never set foot near Jake's or the Mansion. You don't need middlemen to meet chicas in Medellin. Here's how I did it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1799106[/URL]#post1799106.

I also have additional forum posts on here about which hotel I was lodged in and great restaurants in Medellin. Use my trip reports for your benefit.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1803377]Dellorto, I was a "first timer" to Medellin from October 30 to November 8 and never set foot near Jake's or the Mansion. You don't need middlemen to meet chicas in Medellin. Here's how I did it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1799106[/URL]#post1799106.

I also have additional forum posts on here about which hotel I was lodged in and great restaurants in Medellin. Use my trip reports for your benefit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice and your reporting, I'll keep it in mind. Still in early planning phase.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;1803360]On Saturday I nearly managed to take back two non-working girls, much to my surprise. We dance more, lots of light touching with both girls and I ask them if they want to go back to party at our place (it's around 12:30 am) and they converse and agree. More dancing and at this point I pull them aside and I offer them 300 k (thinking 3-some). This results in puzzled looks and one of them asks to switch to English to make sure she understood. Myself, being an idiot, thought that I offended them so I raised the price to 350 k. [/QUOTE]So it wasn't the 300k that they were offended by. (I would never be concerned about offending a hooker by the way. If selling ass and sucking dicks for a living does not offend them, then is it really possible for me to?) Many guys lose sight of the real world by dealing in this fantasy world so often. Especially the guys who only get laid by going to a country where their money goes longer. They get the mentality that every woman in the poorer countries that we monger in are hookers and you must pay them for pleasure. If you would have gotten the girls back to the apartment and things had popped off and you had written about it, well most posters would have sworn that could not happen for free and wanted to hang you for not giving money to the poor women. But despite what the monger crowd thinks, most women are not out for money, . Some just want to have a good time the same as you do. That is why I will never offer money to ANY woman who I do not know as a known hooker. I guess you found that out the hard way by jumping the gun.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;1803360]It turns out they weren't working girls after all (ha ha)!! I of course apologized profusely and they continued to dance with me, but it did end my chances with them. Surprisingly they just liked dancing with a better dressed gringo and said the local guys just wanted to grope them (if only they knew).[/QUOTE]It seems they definitely KNOW now.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;1803360]The forum has given a lot to me so I'll do my best and give back with a trip report.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report. I learned a lot from it and it will definitely be of use to me when I'm back down there in January.

What kind of freak shit is this? Can anyone pickup on the accent?

[URL]http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/88501[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1803726](I would never be concerned about offending a hooker by the way. If selling ass and sucking dicks for a living does not offend them, then is it really possible for me to?).[/QUOTE]Would you be concerned about offending a politician? A lawyer? A plumber? A roofer?

What if a laborer / professional could suck pussy and make 10 times more money?

We're all the same no matter how much you care about saving a buck, no matter how many dicks a little honey sucks.

You've been pretty solid for quite a while now. Please don't unnecessarily insult the pussy stock. No one here is better than the hookers we employ.

We are lucky to be born buyers, it's that simple.

Cheers Mr. E!!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1803902]What kind of freak shit is this? Can anyone pickup on the accent?

[URL]http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/88501[/URL][/QUOTE]Whehe, lady in the front just realised it wasn't a good idea to sit front row in squirt class.
I like the sounds the squirter makes though.

[QUOTE=Socker;1803906]Would you be concerned about offending a politician? A lawyer? A plumber? A roofer?

What if a laborer / professional could suck pussy and make 10 times more money?

We're all the same no matter how much you care about saving a buck, no matter how many dicks a little honey sucks.

You've been pretty solid for quite a while now. Please don't unnecessarily insult the pussy stock. No one here is better than the hookers we employ.

We are lucky to be born buyers, it's that simple.

Cheers Mr. E!![/QUOTE]The thing is that society doesn't look at being a hooker as the most noblest of professions - not sure the amount one makes has anything to do with it. If they were proud of it then I doubt they would hide it from family and friends. I don't know of any plumbers or lawyers who are trying to keep their job a secret.

I'm not trying to put anyone down. All of us are just trying to make a buck to feed ourselves and our families. It is just that to me, to be offended by a john when what you are doing is an obvious embarrassment to yourself and your family and friends is absurd. It is something that you should already know comes with the territory. A plumber is not offended when he goes into a house and the toilet is chock full of shit, whereas a layperson may find it appalling.

It reminds me of the old joke:

At a dinner party Churchill says to his dinner companion, "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?

The woman responds, "My goodness, Mr. Churchill. I suppose I would. ".

Churchill replies, "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?

She answers, "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?

Churchill answers, "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price. ".

A hooker is still a hooker regardless of her price. Why she would be offended if she was considered a "cheap" hooker is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;1803360]The forum has given a lot to me so I'll do my best and give back with a trip report. This was my second trip to the city, the first being during the World Cup. At that time I was with non hobbying friends so I focused on the local girls.
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Gimnasio Santilla. I like to get a workout in most days and I found this gym to be pretty good. A week pass there is 55 k, but you can get daily passes through the mansion for 13.5 k. The place is large and although the equipment is a little bit old it works. Starting around 5 pm there is usually a good group of local paisan rolling in after work and my god many of them are knock outs. No need for motivation with a dozen of them around during your workout![/QUOTE]Thank you for a very nice report; especially for a first timer.

[B]Quagmire[/B] and [B]Quackup[/B]: Thank you for your excellent reports. It is refreshing to see informative reports from mongers new to Medellin. Glad you had a great time.

Traveling thru MDE on my way to St Maarten. Due to award ticket availability within my available miles, I am planning to have 3 nights in MDE before I head on to SXM. Normally I rent apts for my stays, but hate to put down a $300 deposit for just a few nights. I also want to have ladies over, so I am looking for a nice hotel that allows guests. While I prefer not to pay a guest fee, that is not out of the question. I will be returning to MDE, after a week in SXM, but will have an apt for that timeframe.

Any suggestions from the MDE vets for a girl-friendly hotel of 4-star quality?

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1804285]Traveling thru MDE on my way to St Maarten. Due to award ticket availability within my available miles, I am planning to have 3 nights in MDE before I head on to SXM. Normally I rent apts for my stays, but hate to put down a $300 deposit for just a few nights. I also want to have ladies over, so I am looking for a nice hotel that allows guests. While I prefer not to pay a guest fee, that is not out of the question. I will be returning to MDE, after a week in SXM, but will have an apt for that timeframe.

Any suggestions from the MDE vets for a girl-friendly hotel of 4-star quality?[/QUOTE]I am also interested in any replies. I am staying at the Mansion on my first trip, but the Holiday Inn Express gets good travel reviews, is in a nice area, does not cost many loyalty reward points, and some of the earlier reviews seem to indicate it is guest friendly if initially booked as a double. I an curious as to how guest friendly it currently is. Thanks.

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1804285]Traveling thru MDE on my way to St Maarten. Due to award ticket availability within my available miles, I am planning to have 3 nights in MDE before I head on to SXM. Normally I rent apts for my stays, but hate to put down a $300 deposit for just a few nights. I also want to have ladies over, so I am looking for a nice hotel that allows guests. While I prefer not to pay a guest fee, that is not out of the question. I will be returning to MDE, after a week in SXM, but will have an apt for that timeframe.

Any suggestions from the MDE vets for a girl-friendly hotel of 4-star quality?[/QUOTE]I was lodged in a hotel called Sites in Medellin from 30 October to 8 November. I have a review of this hotel written over on TripAdvisor titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" The hotel is chica friendly, and this is what I said in my review about that:

Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, "Is Hotel Sites chica friendly?" The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1804400]I am also interested in any replies. I am staying at the Mansion on my first trip, but the Holiday Inn Express gets good travel reviews, is in a nice area, does not cost many loyalty reward points, and some of the earlier reviews seem to indicate it is guest friendly if initially booked as a double. I an curious as to how guest friendly it currently is. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can just about hit the Holiday Inn Express with a rock from M1. LOL.

Just searching flights from MIA to MDE after 12/2/2015. Round trip was $153. Has anyone used this airline? I usually use either Avianca or Jet Blue, but for that price I definitely need to consider changing my airline.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;1804710]Just searching flights from MIA to MDE after 12/2/2015. Round trip was $153. Has anyone used this airline? I usually use either Avianca or Jet Blue, but for that price I definitely need to consider changing my airline.[/QUOTE]On Google, I searched "Viva Colombia airline reviews. " Looks like people either love it or hate it, with some of the complaints focused on Viva Colombia's business practice of adding on additional fees, which apparently drives up the price of a ticket. More frighteningly, there's a story from the UK Daily Mail from February 2015 titled "Passenger films terrifying moment plane wing bursts into flames in mid-air while flying above Colombian city of Bogota. " Guess which airline was referenced? That's right, Viva Colombia, Flight 8023 to be exact.

I say go for it and let us know later about your experience with the airline.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1804129][B]Quagmire[/B] and [B]Quackup[/B]: Thank you for your excellent reports. It is refreshing to see informative reports from mongers new to Medellin. Glad you had a great time.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the compliment, Vitrea. Honestly, you were one of only a couple of people who responded to my original post about the best strip clubs and cases in Medellin. And since you helped me out, I decided that I would try to help others when I got back. Hopefully I'm not boring everyone with my hotel and restaurant suggestions in addition to my detailed reports on Fase Dos, New Life, and Barra Ejecutiva, LOL.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1804569]I was lodged in a hotel called Sites in Medellin from 30 October to 8 November. I have a review of this hotel written over on TripAdvisor titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" The hotel is chica friendly, and this is what I said in my review about that:

Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, "Is Hotel Sites chica friendly?" The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP.

Please let me know if you have any questions.[/QUOTE]I am not sure the management of the hotel appreciated your review.

Now, when a family or a woman checks TripAdvisor looking for a decent hotel in town, they might understand that the hotel is a den of working girls and single men with questionable morality and attitudes. The hotel might lose customers for your review. I am surprised they did not ask TA to remove your review as "derogatory".

I give you another example. If you check the web site of the "Mansion", you will NEVER see any hint to anything related to this forum or special guests. And of course it must be like that!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1804781]I am not sure the management of the hotel appreciated your review.

Now, when a family or a woman checks TripAdvisor looking for a decent hotel in town, they might understand that the hotel is a den of working girls and single men with questionable morality and attitudes. The hotel might lose customers for your review. I am surprised they did not ask TA to remove your review as "derogatory".

I give you another example. If you check the web site of the "Mansion", you will NEVER see any hint to anything related to this forum or special guests. And of course it must be like that![/QUOTE]I don't think the management of Sites has a problem with my review at all, Black Page, as I've rated the hotel Excellent on TripAdvisor. And apparently, TripAdvisor members don't have a problem with my review, either, as I've already received 4 "Helpful Votes" and had someone here on ISG specifically tell me that they booked a couple of weeks at Sites due to my detailed review.

And why would anyone think that Sites is "a den of working girls and single men with questionable morality and attitudes" based on what I wrote? My review is 15 paragraphs long, and I discuss everything, from transfers to breakfast to room quality to payment options. And in only one paragraph do I mention that the hotel is chica friendly, which apparently the hotel is perfectly fine and experienced with, as the 7,500 COP and 100,000 COP fees were stated to me by the receptionist, Julian. And incidentally, Julian also stated that the guests at Sites are overwhelmingly American, I think the number he stated was 90 percent. So I don't think Sites is going to lose many customers, if any at all, anytime soon.

This is the internet, a wonderful medium for exchanging information. We can either be honest and openly share information and be well-informed for our mutual benefit, or we can be silent, stick out heads in the sand, and have to settle for the same ol' hotel (Mansion) and the same ol' chicas periodically advertised by pimps in the Medellin Reports thread here on ISG. I'm happily a member of the former group, and not the latter.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;1804710]Just searching flights from MIA to MDE after 12/2/2015. Round trip was $153. Has anyone used this airline? I usually use either Avianca or Jet Blue, but for that price I definitely need to consider changing my airline.[/QUOTE]Have you ever thought of using the "search function" that is offered on this forum? It is very easy to use, in your case you simply enter in "Viva Colombia" in the search bar. It is a amazing feature, try it you may like it. SMFH.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1804781]I am not sure the management of the hotel appreciated your review.

Now, when a family or a woman checks TripAdvisor looking for a decent hotel in town, they might understand that the hotel is a den of working girls and single men with questionable morality and attitudes. The hotel might lose customers for your review. I am surprised they did not ask TA to remove your review as "derogatory".

I give you another example. If you check the web site of the "Mansion", you will NEVER see any hint to anything related to this forum or special guests. And of course it must be like that![/QUOTE]Black Page, you have to realize some people do not use their heads.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1803902]What kind of freak shit is this? Can anyone pickup on the accent?
[URL]http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/88501[/URL][/QUOTE]She was speaking Spanish. But from where I don't know.

It's Spanish from Spain.

She said "vale" which is a word that usually the Spanish use.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1804821]She was speaking Spanish. But from where I don't know.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SunDevil;1804710]Just searching flights from MIA to MDE after 12/2/2015. Round trip was $153. Has anyone used this airline? I usually use either Avianca or Jet Blue, but for that price I definitely need to consider changing my airline.[/QUOTE]When you buy the ticket there are upcharges on top of upcharges. Carry on $25 like a back pack and I think a wheely bag is like $100! If it's just you and nothing else go ofr it. If you need to bring stuff like clothing, toothbrush, shoes. That base price climbs and climbs.

What club were you partying at?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1803726]So it wasn't the 300k that they were offended by. (I would never be concerned about offending a hooker by the way. If selling ass and sucking dicks for a living does not offend them, then is it really possible for me to?) Many guys lose sight of the real world by dealing in this fantasy world so often. Especially the guys who only get laid by going to a country where their money goes longer. They get the mentality that every woman in the poorer countries that we monger in are hookers and you must pay them for pleasure. If you would have gotten the girls back to the apartment and things had popped off and you had written about it, well most posters would have sworn that could not happen for free and wanted to hang you for not giving money to the poor women. But despite what the monger crowd thinks, most women are not out for money, . Some just want to have a good time the same as you do. That is why I will never offer money to ANY woman who I do not know as a known hooker. I guess you found that out the hard way by jumping the gun.

It seems they definitely KNOW now.

Thanks for the great report. I learned a lot from it and it will definitely be of use to me when I'm back down there in January.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SunDevil;1804710]Just searching flights from MIA to MDE after 12/2/2015. Round trip was $153. Has anyone used this airline? I usually use either Avianca or Jet Blue, but for that price I definitely need to consider changing my airline.[/QUOTE]I used them traveling to Santa Marta and back. Yes, the prices are very decent and the experience was not that bad. However, I cannot say what the cost would be or the service about changing flights as I did not have the need to. Overall, a cheap trip and decent trip.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1804781]I am not sure the management of the hotel appreciated your review.

Now, when a family or a woman checks TripAdvisor looking for a decent hotel in town, they might understand that the hotel is a den of working girls and single men with questionable morality and attitudes. The hotel might lose customers for your review. I am surprised they did not ask TA to remove your review as "derogatory".

I give you another example. If you check the web site of the "Mansion", you will NEVER see any hint to anything related to this forum or special guests. And of course it must be like that![/QUOTE]Seriously doubt that with all the other reviews on TA, that folks will get the impression "that the hotel is a den of working girls and single men with questionable morality and attitudes. ".

Might have also gained some customers like myself and others here who asked. If he didn't post that info then how would any of us guys know? Don't think there's a whole lot of families or single women looking at MDE for a vacation,(most families and women still gasp in horror at the mention of travel to Colombia), but who knows. I have seen similar reviews from other people regarding hotels being chica friendly in other tourist hotspots.

Regarding the mansion, the topic has been closed but a brief search revealed this:

[URL]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g297478-i6346-k1164706-Medellin_Mansion-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL]

Not sure what your point was, or even if there is one, or if it's just criticism because you disagree with the OP?

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1804887]If he didn't post that info then how would any of us guys know? [/QUOTE]From ISG.

One thing is to post HERE that a hotel is chica friendly (everyone gives kudos for the useful hint), another to post that information on Trip Advisor or any other web site, which is used by a "general public" to get to know the reputation of a hotel before considering to book it or another.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1804887]Don't think there's a whole lot of families or single women looking at MDE for a vacation, (most families and women still gasp in horror at the mention of travel to Colombia), but who knows.[/QUOTE]
No? Also Colombian families do travel for tourism or business. Many Colombians go to Medellin for tourism or business too. And some bring families or girlfriends with them (yep "llevan lenha al monte")


[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1804887]Not sure what your point was, or even if there is one, or if it's just criticism because you disagree with the OP?[/QUOTE]My point is to discourage people to do that again, in order to not hinder further the business of a presumably good hotel (oriented to all travelers, who may bring or not guests to their room).

Do you think that the management would be proud to inform everyone that they are "chica friendly" Do you see that written on the hotel web site?
Yes, I assume the hotel is NOT primarily oriented to the single male travelers with our hobby.

While Colombia offers one of the best varieties worldwide of "love motels" (see my previous post about Ibiza, for example, or "Chimba de hotel"), bringing guests to good hotels is not common. As made evident by the post we are talking about, the fact that a hotel is chica friendly is noteworthy information, because it's not common.
Most hotels which want to keep a good reputation simply reject guests, or apply very high fees (Sheraton applies +100k COP fee, when the single pays around 200k)

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1804906]From ISG.

One thing is to post HERE that a hotel is chica friendly (everyone gives kudos for the useful hint), another to post that information on Trip Advisor or any other web site, which is used by a "general public" to get to know the reputation of a hotel before considering to book it or another.

No? Also Colombian families do travel for tourism or business. Many Colombians go to Medellin for tourism or business too. And some bring families or girlfriends with them (yep "llevan lenha al monte")

My point is to discourage people to do that again, in order to not hinder further the business of a presumably good hotel (oriented to all travelers, who may bring or not guests to their room).

Do you think that the management would be proud to inform everyone that they are "chica friendly" Do you see that written on the hotel web site?

Yes, I assume the hotel is NOT primarily oriented to the single male travelers with our hobby.

While Colombia offers one of the best varieties worldwide of "love motels" (see my previous post about Ibiza, for example, or "Chimba de hotel"), bringing guests to good hotels is not common. As made evident by the post we are talking about, the fact that a hotel is chica friendly is noteworthy information, because it's not common.
Most hotels which want to keep a good reputation simply reject guests, or apply very high fees (Sheraton applies +100k COP fee, when the single pays around 200k)[/QUOTE]You are a voice of reason / common sense, which many on here obviously do not have. Kudos to you once again Black Page for telling it like it is. You are one of the few who continually post about reality, and are not afraid to check others at the door when it is appropriate.

I thought the purpose of trip advisor was to help the traveler decide where to stay and not to help or hinder the business of a hotel. I have seen plenty of posts on ta saying the hotel was full of hookers and old guys. Certain people may read that and decide it is not the place for them BEFORE booking the hotel. It beats getting there with your family and finding out too late. Then there are others who will think it is just the type of place they are looking for. Everyone will not be pleased with every aspect of every hotel. So trip advisor lays out other travelers' observations so we can decide if the place is for us before wasting our time and money. Nothing wrong with posting the truth.

I was referring to North American families and women. Yes, no different than in Venezuela where wealthy couples, families, singles both Latin and European stay harmoniously in the same hotel. This was the Vela resort in El Yaque, 2005, where they clearly listed an extra $20/ night for guest. Things are handled as discretely as possible. My point is that Latin families are aware of prostitution, and while many despise it, it is tolerated.

Agree, very noteworthy info, think the practice is more common than we realize, but info about which ones are, is scarce. Which is another reason I like to see info from more than one source.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1804906]From ISG.

My point is to discourage people to do that again, in order to not hinder further the business of a presumably good hotel (oriented to all travelers, who may bring or not guests to their room).[/QUOTE]While I think your intentions are good, this is where it becomes a free speech issue. Maybe if instead of saying "chica friendly" we say some a bit more subtle, like "If some of you single guys are lucky enough to meet your possible future fiance while visiting, you can bring her back, just register as 2 persons".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1804915]I thought the purpose of trip advisor was to help the traveler decide where to stay and not to help or hinder the business of a hotel. I have seen plenty of posts on ta saying the hotel was full of hookers and old guys. Certain people may read that and decide it is not the place for them BEFORE booking the hotel. It beats getting there with your family and finding out too late. Then there are others who will think it is just the type of place they are looking for. Everyone will not be pleased with every aspect of every hotel. So trip advisor lays out other travelers' observations so we can decide if the place is for us before wasting our time and money. Nothing wrong with posting the truth.[/QUOTE]Which brings up an open question for anyone. If I am staying say 6 nites, but plan to have a guest only 2 nights, do I make the res for 2 people for the whole stay?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1804915]I thought the purpose of trip advisor was to help the traveler decide where to stay and not to help or hinder the business of a hotel. I have seen plenty of posts on ta saying the hotel was full of hookers and old guys. Certain people may read that and decide it is not the place for them BEFORE booking the hotel. It beats getting there with your family and finding out too late. Then there are others who will think it is just the type of place they are looking for. Everyone will not be pleased with every aspect of every hotel. So trip advisor lays out other travelers' observations so we can decide if the place is for us before wasting our time and money. Nothing wrong with posting the truth.[/QUOTE]Good point, but at the same time very few "internationally known hotels" and I am speaking about Holiday Inns, Hyatts, Sheratons in the world are "filled" with hookers, and in this discussion we are talking about a Holiday Inn.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1804911]You are a voice of reason / common sense, which many on here obviously do not have. Kudos to you once again Black Page for telling it like it is. You are one of the few who continually post about reality, and are not afraid to check others at the door when it is appropriate.[/QUOTE]
And you are my favorite poster in Colombia! Kiss kiss!

I did not mean to raise a flame. I guess my suggestion was received by only those who did not need it.

To cool the debate down (I'd say to kill it), please enjoy the view of my best friend in MDE (a.k.a "The Dancer" in my last reports from MDE, around September). She's a lovely person, besides having a killer body and being sweet as a candy.
This pic might also reassure everyone that I am not only "Darth Vader" in MDE (I admit some other reports of mine in that period were controversial, to say the least). Shot in a "Chimba de Motel", not in my hotel (not chica-friendly indeed).

PS: Anyone who MIGHT recognize the girl from the back, or think to know where to find her, and go around MDE showing this photo on ISG and asking "Is this you??" "Do you know her??", well is an IDIOT.
(Someone did that in CTG, with another photo of another girl posted by someone else) <grrr>

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1803377]Dellorto, I was a "first timer" to Medellin from October 30 to November 8 and never set foot near Jake's or the Mansion. You don't need middlemen to meet chicas in Medellin. Here's how I did it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1799106#post1799106[/url]

I also have additional forum posts on here about which hotel I was lodged in and great restaurants in Medellin. Use my trip reports for your benefit.[/QUOTE]When I clicked on the link I see a casa! If this is your idea of meeting chicas in Medellin it just doesn't really explain what a lot of guys want or mean by meeting chicks. Your option is good for 30 minutes of sex for a cheap price that much is true but, you don't really get to know or go out with the casa girls. Its happens but I mostly hear of disappointment because the girl has worked all day getting pounded and by the time she gets off work that magic you had earlier has been replaced by I want to rest and be with my kid or family. That's why I don't use casa girls. My girls are fresh having been home all day and are on full energy when they meet you at night! You can do whatever you like but I your leaving a lot of fun on the table just doing casas. Got a couple guys arriving and going to a Thanksgiving Dinner event. Also wanted to make those who decide to go to the new Pub Rock aware that they will hit you with minimum Drink Tab if you sit in certain areas which sucks so as it stands now, you need to sit at the bar to avoid a 150,000 pesos minimum charge after the cover of 5,000 pesos. If your Spanish is not good you may get a surprise on your bill because they say it really fast and you may not even know what you just heard.

Thanks,

Colombia Jake.

Girl below gives one of the better blow jobs you will experience anywhere!

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1804953]Which brings up an open question for anyone. If I am staying say 6 nites, but plan to have a guest only 2 nights, do I make the res for 2 people for the whole stay?[/QUOTE]Sites has an online reservation system where from the very beginning, you indicate if your reservation is for 1 or 2 people for your entire stay. If you're a single guy, there's no danger in making the reservation for 2 people. The danger exists if you're a single guy and make the reservation for 1 person and then have a chica in your room, because the chica fee from the hotel is 100,000 COP.

And to everyone else, I'm really surprised that me mentioning that Sites is chica friendly on TripAdvisor stirred up so much debate here on ISG. To those of you who expressed support with level-headed comments, I say thank you. To those of you who lobbed criticism in my direction, I say no hard feelings. I'm only on ISG to share information and help people have a smooth and safe trip. But don't make the mistake that just because I'm an ISG newbie with less than a couple dozen posts under my belt, that I'm also wet behind the ears travel-wise. I have logged 20 different countries and 32 different international cities since I started traveling in 2008. I'm going to continue to speak the truth and provide post-trip information that people can use in their travels. If speaking the truth and providing information causes a few people to want to "check others at the door when it is appropriate" (LMMFAO), then so be it.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1805065]Sites has an online reservation system where from the very beginning, you indicate if your reservation is for 1 or 2 people for your entire stay. If you're a single guy, there's no danger in making the reservation for 2 people. The danger exists if you're a single guy and make the reservation for 1 person and then have a chica in your room, because the chica fee from the hotel is 100,000 COP.[/QUOTE]When you posted it before I went on their site and checked. From the reservation point of view it was the same price whether making the booking for 1 person or 2 people. Kind of rare for Colombia I thought.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1805065]Sites has an online reservation system where from the very beginning, you indicate if your reservation is for 1 or 2 people for your entire stay. If you're a single guy, there's no danger in making the reservation for 2 people. The danger exists if you're a single guy and make the reservation for 1 person and then have a chica in your room, because the chica fee from the hotel is 100,000 COP.

And to everyone else, I'm really surprised that me mentioning that Sites is chica friendly on TripAdvisor stirred up so much debate here on ISG. To those of you who expressed support with level-headed comments, I say thank you. To those of you who lobbed criticism in my direction, I say no hard feelings. I'm only on ISG to share information and help people have a smooth and safe trip. But don't make the mistake that just because I'm an ISG newbie with less than a couple dozen posts under my belt, that I'm also wet behind the ears travel-wise. I have logged 20 different countries and 32 different international cities since I started traveling in 2008. I'm going to continue to speak the truth and provide post-trip information that people can use in their travels. If speaking the truth and providing information causes a few people to want to "check others at the door when it is appropriate" (LMMFAO), then so be it.[/QUOTE]Same here, don't know why some people automatically assume that just because someone doesn't have hundreds of posts, they have never been anywhere or done anything. Like trolls under a bridge, these dinosaur "door checker types" exist on nearly every forum, ready to discourage those speak the truth or refuse to ascribe to their particular brand of nonsense. Almost as bad are the "cheerleader types" who cheer on the "door checkers" to do their arguing for them, sometimes the whole place resembles a grade school playground.

I am seriously considering going to Medellin in a couple weeks, I am able to get very good deals on hotels through expedia but it states on every hotel that I click on the total to pay now and then a tax and resort fee due at the hotel. My question is to those that have booked a hotel online in Medellin wether you had to pay this tax, because after doing some research I'm under the impression that foreigners do not need to pay this tax. Or do you pay and then get the money back at the airport, please could someone clarify.

Anyone stayed in Aparta Suites Torre Poblado located in Carrera 42 No 9-28 El Poblado Medellin Antioquia Colombia? Chica friendly or guest fee?

Also can i find naturally curvy big booty women in medellin, casas or SW or escorts?
Furthermore I hear a lot of people mention FB as a place to meet prepagos. i've searched prepagos medellin on FB and found a couple pages with no luck on seeing any actual profiles. A member did show maybe 6 or 7 links to prepago profiles, I'm just curious as to where they advertise if at all.

Really would appreciate the help. not booked anything yet but will be travelling first week of december.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1804954]Good point, but at the same time very few "internationally known hotels" and I am speaking about Holiday Inns, Hyatts, Sheratons in the world are "filled" with hookers, and in this discussion we are talking about a Holiday Inn.[/QUOTE]The discussion has been about a review on TripAdvisor of Sites 45 Hotel. I don't see anything on their web site that indicates they are affiliated with Holiday Inn.

I see some pretty nice looking apartments for good prices in good locations in Medellin, through Airbnb. It seems to me that if you rent a complete apartment through that website, you'll have no problems taking a girl back to the apartment. However, I rarely see anyone mentioning Airbnb in this thread. What I do see is you guys discussing chica friendly hotels. Am I missing something (aside from the obvious differences between an apartment and a hotel room) or is it that Airbnb hasn't been picked up yet by mongerers such as ourselves?

Hello chaps,

I have noticed there are plenty of good posts and information about casas and other short time opportunities, but there is little mentioned when it comes to long time.

Well, call me romantic but I am looking for the old fashion TLN. I am wondering, are there any pick up places for quality chicas without taking my chances at a randomly chosen club?

I mean after all we are willing to pay, aren't we? Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio or "Classico" in Sosa used to be. Or is Columbia simply the wrong place that?

I answered the first question before. Show your passport (you will be asked for it upon checking in), the hotel will confirm you're a tourist on the right entry stamp, and you won't need to pay tax. Hotels in Medellin are cheap, if you are worrying about having to pay a tax and resort fee then reconsider your trip. Resort fee's and taxes are not the same, and a resort fee can apply to all guests.

Book a room for 2, and you'll have a better chance of not dealing with a guest fee. Please read previous posts on this subject, it's been covered many times. As for FB profiles, you're not going to find chicas that openly state they are prepagos. Family is an important part of culture in Colombia, and chicas would not want their family to know these things. It's really not that difficult to figure out, find a chica that has a lot of gringos as friends who are a majority of her pic "likers" and that will give you an indication if she is the type of girl you are looking for. Do you know Spanish? If you do not, or know a little bit, please reconsider your trip. You can still get laid but you're going to have difficulty in having a good time and a vast majority of chicas do not speak any english and some may even ignore you. I can only assume you are very new to Colombia based off the questions you are asking, and if you are really wanting to make this trip worthwhile you need to speak Spanish, and when I say speak I mean not rely on google translator for anything outside of hola, como estas? I've just come across too many fellow hobbyists who come to Colombia a bit unprepared and then either complain about the girls not giving them any attention, or wishing they knew more spanish. First week of December is not far off, so please do your research. Yes the women are beautiful, and you can have a great time but the chances of that diminish if you come unprepared.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1805790]I am seriously considering going to Medellin in a couple weeks, I am able to get very good deals on hotels through expedia but it states on every hotel that I click on the total to pay now and then a tax and resort fee due at the hotel. My question is to those that have booked a hotel online in Medellin wether you had to pay this tax, because after doing some research I'm under the impression that foreigners do not need to pay this tax. Or do you pay and then get the money back at the airport, please could someone clarify.

Anyone stayed in Aparta Suites Torre Poblado located in Carrera 42 No 9-28 El Poblado Medellin Antioquia Colombia? Chica friendly or guest fee?

Also can i find naturally curvy big booty women in medellin, casas or SW or escorts?
Furthermore I hear a lot of people mention FB as a place to meet prepagos. i've searched prepagos medellin on FB and found a couple pages with no luck on seeing any actual profiles. A member did show maybe 6 or 7 links to prepago profiles, I'm just curious as to where they advertise if at all.

Really would appreciate the help. not booked anything yet but will be travelling first week of december.[/QUOTE]

Airbnb is fine, you can have a good experience and a not so good experience where you feel scammed. There are other apartment rental agencies that are mentioned on here because they have a good reputation of serving some of the members on this board, so if you want to be safe you can go with one of them. There are advantages to hotels, and there are advantages to apartments. Think about it and you'll figure it out. Otherwise plenty of trip reports that detail this out. If you're a first time visitor, stay at the Mansion. People mention this for a reason. Then after you experience Medellin for the first time, you can figure out if you want to repeat at the mansion or look at something else such as a hotel or apartment.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1805855]I see some pretty nice looking apartments for good prices in good locations in Medellin, through Airbnb. It seems to me that if you rent a complete apartment through that website, you'll have no problems taking a girl back to the apartment. However, I rarely see anyone mentioning Airbnb in this thread. What I do see is you guys discussing chica friendly hotels. Am I missing something (aside from the obvious differences between an apartment and a hotel room) or is it that Airbnb hasn't been picked up yet by mongerers such as ourselves?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1805863]Airbnb is fine, you can have a good experience and a not so good experience where you feel scammed. There are other apartment rental agencies that are mentioned on here because they have a good reputation of serving some of the members on this board, so if you want to be safe you can go with one of them. There are advantages to hotels, and there are advantages to apartments. Think about it and you'll figure it out. Otherwise plenty of trip reports that detail this out. If you're a first time visitor, stay at the Mansion. People mention this for a reason. Then after you experience Medellin for the first time, you can figure out if you want to repeat at the mansion or look at something else such as a hotel or apartment.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply. This would indeed be my first time in Colombia. The Mansion seems like a logical place to start, but I'm also looking into other options. Maybe just to see what's possible and be able to lay out a well thought out plan to my friends. Some of them prefer to head to the Dominican Republic or Saint Martin next. In my short mongering experience I unwittingly developed a 'aversion' towards most Dominicanas, let's just say I prefer Colombianas. Not really feeling Dominican Republic so I need to convince them that Medellin should be our next stop. I've been reading through this thread for the past two weeks and will continue to catch up, building my case, hehe.

You say there are other apartment rental agencies that are mentioned on here because they have a good reputation with some of the guys on this board. Can you give me some examples of such agencies? Haven't come across them yet while sifting through this thread.

DR is still fun, if your friends are limited with their Spanish then DR is a good option. Same goes with SXM although you are limited to just a few places that are relatively close to each other. I have been to both several times, and still plan on visiting there again in the near future. If you travel around DR you can get a chance to see different types of girls, many people get the impression it's just dark skinned chicas but that's not true at all. Depending on time of year and cost of travel, MDE could be more economical. You don't get beaches with MDE.

PobladoRentals is good. All types of apartments for any group size. You have airbnb and also homeaway and vrbo, if you want to be on the safe side find a unit that has been rented several times and has a bunch of reviews. If you find something that looks great, but there are no reviews, well then you know there's a risk to that.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1805864]Thanks for your reply. This would indeed be my first time in Colombia. The Mansion seems like a logical place to start, but I'm also looking into other options. Maybe just to see what's possible and be able to lay out a well thought out plan to my friends. Some of them prefer to head to the Dominican Republic or Saint Martin next. In my short mongering experience I unwittingly developed a 'aversion' towards most Dominicanas, let's just say I prefer Colombianas. Not really feeling Dominican Republic so I need to convince them that Medellin should be our next stop. I've been reading through this thread for the past two weeks and will continue to catch up, building my case, hehe.

You say there are other apartment rental agencies that are mentioned on here because they have a good reputation with some of the guys on this board. Can you give me some examples of such agencies? Haven't come across them yet while sifting through this thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1805840]The discussion has been about a review on TripAdvisor of Sites 45 Hotel. I don't see anything on their web site that indicates they are affiliated with Holiday Inn.[/QUOTE]They are not. I asked about the hotel policies of the Holiday Inn Express, but it does not appear that anyone had any updated information, other than what is mentioned in the hotel subforum.

A lot of travelers have loyalty reward points at the various chain hotels, so staying at a true "paid hotel" is a true additional cost, and South America is just so different than Europe with respect to all of this "joiner fee" surcharge. So I was just asking to get more information for the future, since the Holiday Inn Express is in an excellent location and does not require many loyalty points.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1805790]Anyone stayed in Aparta Suites Torre Poblado located in Carrera 42 No 9-28 El Poblado Medellin Antioquia Colombia? Chica friendly or guest fee?[/QUOTE]I stayed there for a month and it's a great location, however the noise from the discos surrounding it is unbearable on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays.

I don't know a about a guest fee, I just walked in with my visitors and they never said a word or asked for their Cedula.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1805864]Maybe just to see what's possible and be able to lay out a well thought out plan to my friends. Some of them prefer to head to the Dominican Republic or Saint Martin next. In my short mongering experience I unwittingly developed a 'aversion' towards most Dominicanas, let's just say I prefer Colombianas. Not really feeling Dominican Republic so I need to convince them that Medellin should be our next stop.[/QUOTE]There are different strokes for different folks. DR and CO are apples to oranges. You may want to travel alone instead of trying to "convince" others to go to a place that you think you may like. Read some of the following comparisons and contrasts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1801130&viewfull=1#post1801130[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1801868&viewfull=1#post1801868[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1802008&viewfull=1#post1802008[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1805882]They are not. I asked about the hotel policies of the Holiday Inn Express, but it does not appear that anyone had any updated information, other than what is mentioned in the hotel subforum.

A lot of travelers have loyalty reward points at the various chain hotels, so staying at a true "paid hotel" is a true additional cost, and South America is just so different than Europe with respect to all of this "joiner fee" surcharge. So I was just asking to get more information for the future, since the Holiday Inn Express is in an excellent location and does not require many loyalty points.[/QUOTE]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. You won't be able to sneak them either, you have to walk past the reception to get to the elevators, and someone is always there.

And yes, it was only 15,000 points per night there. Location is good if you take cabs, since its on Avenida Poblado. But quite a trek to the metro.

2 hotels that I have not had any trouble bringing girls up are LE Parc and Hotel Diez Categoria (both around Parque Lleras). But I only brought 1 chica up my entire stay, and I've head Hotel Diez can enforce the guest policy sometimes. The bellboy at LE Parc said it was no issue, but last time I stayed there was over a year ago.

[QUOTE=Miguelito9;1805861]Hello chaps,

I have noticed there are plenty of good posts and information about casas and other short time opportunities, but there is little mentioned when it comes to long time.

Well, call me romantic but I am looking for the old fashion TLN. I am wondering, are there any pick up places for quality chicas without taking my chances at a randomly chosen club?

I mean after all we are willing to pay, aren't we? Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio or "Classico" in Sosa used to be. Or is Columbia simply the wrong place that?[/QUOTE]Hi Miguelito9,

I've written before about staying at Colombia Jake's place. (Actually, it's the only place I've stayed for mongering in Medellin.) I once did TLN which was very satisfying. 300 k to the girl. Reading the board, it sounds like you can have it cheaper (about 200 k, maybe even 150 k), but as you point out, you take a risk, while in my experience Jake's girls have been consistently good in looks and attitude.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1806056]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. [/QUOTE]Once again, in spite of the quite liberal habits that we experience [I]in some enviroment[/I], of prostitution being legal (and even shown off in some areas de tolerancia), I wish to remind that most Colombians are very traditional minded. If one does not understand this, can have some problems in dealing with regular life here.

Upper-class hotels will NEVER be happy to see guests taking back a girl, imagine someone clearly looking as a prepago. And the regular guests of such hotels (families, couples, male and female business travellers) will depreciate immediately their consideration for the hotel, should they see a prepago entering the premises. All this, even if at short distance streets might be populated by girls dressed "for work" like in De Greiff.

This is so clearly understood, that all upper-class hotels impose very strict policies about bringing back "guests" to rooms. They are simply NOT happy to allow that, and they do what they can to discourage it.

In Sheraton Four Points, I could bring back my girlfriend one night, and the extra fee is 40k (I am not sure, it was a couple of years ago). BUT, the policy states that, for any second DIFFERENT guest, the fees is 100k (over maybe 250k / night fare). I asked the management, "complaining" for this, and their reply was "Sorry, we understand your point, you have two friends, they are decently dressed and they are your real friends, but this is our hotel policy, [I]to discourage people to bring occasional ladies back to rooms[/I]".

This policy (a fee for the first girl, another super-fee for the second) is very common in Colombia.

In Cartagena, I was used to go to a small cozy boutique hotel in the Centro, until they set an even stricter policy: no guests allowed, [I]unless the guest is registered with her name and cedula on the first day upon checking in[/I]. I asked why, claiming that my novia would have been joining me after 2-3 days, and their reply was "You can give us her name and cedula today, so we look forward to welcome her too one of the next days".

Colombians like sex and are much more liberal than, say, NorthAmericans. But the common understanding is that couples (being the girl an occasional friend, a prepago, or the official novia) go to a short- time hotel, if they cannot go at home. This explains the outstanding availability of love motels, equipped beyond what can be imagined by anyone living in USA or Europe (see Ibiza [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1775320&viewfull=1#post1775320[/URL]).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1805993]There are different strokes for different folks. DR and CO are apples to oranges. You may want to travel alone instead of trying to "convince" others to go to a place that you think you may like. Read some of the following comparisons and contrasts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1801130&viewfull=1#post1801130[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1801868&viewfull=1#post1801868[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1802008&viewfull=1#post1802008[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the links, very useful. We'll probably visit all three destinations at some point (MDE DR SXM), the more relevant question would be [I]In what order?[/I] We've done three of these trips so far and it's been awesome, so we're going to keep this going, one vacation at a time. I'm sort of in charge of planning so that's why I'm trying to get as good as an idea as I can of different destinations. I realise that you won't get the complete picture sitting behind your computer at home, but it's what I have to go with. This forum is an invaluable source of information for this purpose.

We've done a trip to Rio de Janeiro last year, and this year we went to a small Caribbean island (twice). Both were firsts for us, worked out very good (and are apples to pears as much as MDE and DR are). Now looking for our next stop and Medellin is strong on my radar, but still keeping other options open. So far I got a feeling it's going to be either DR or MDE, and I'm sure both will be good. Our guys all like latina pussy, culture, music, food and a bit of the roughness and drama that comes with it. But that's all from our perspective outside of one of the motherlands. It's time to go in.

Not really fans of camping in one spot, as we much rather be exploring and getting a good feel of the city and also doing some non-monger activities. I get the idea that choosing for Mansion or Jake will put us in a completely different space compared to landing in an apartment in Poblado, and may keep us from action outside. Probably because a lot can be had right where you are. I still find it difficult to assess the 'dangers' in MDE for a mongerer, security wise. Not convinced it's an extremely dangerous city if you stay in the 'normal' mongering areas and use common sense. I don't want to miss out on getting a glimpse of daily life as a local and definitely don't want to miss out on the 'action' tearing through the casa's. Cons and pros. Thanks again for your contributions. Will keep reading.

Enjoy your weekend.

Thank you very much for the valuable information. I will just plan on always staying at the Mansion if I do regular Medellin trips.

With respect to the many comments about the local culture disapproving of escorts entering hotels, I think you are overestimating how much everyone can notice. Throughout the world, including countries where sex work is completely illegal, attractive young women walk around hotels, meet guys in the lobby, and walk up to rooms an knock on doors. It happens every night in the finest hotels in the world and unless you walk right by a door while an attractive young lady is knocking, no one knows whether or not she is a sex worker.

Amazes me that Medellin doesn't think it can function in the same way. Sounds like it is something that is more oriented toward obtaining more revenue. If a person has to pay a guest fee at a chain hotel. More revenue. If he stays there and travels to one of the many well regarded brothels. More revenue for the cab and brothel. If he gets a love motel room in addition to the chain hotel room. More revenue (two rooms). So staying at a place like the Mansion, which is more expensive, can still make sense (but more revenue for the Mansion). I realize it is all worth it since the Colombia costs are so reasonable, but I am skeptical that it is to avoid offending the other guests since that does not happen anywhere else in the world.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1806056]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. You won't be able to sneak them either, you have to walk past the reception to get to the elevators, and someone is always there.

And yes, it was only 15,000 points per night there. Location is good if you take cabs, since its on Avenida Poblado. But quite a trek to the metro.

2 hotels that I have not had any trouble bringing girls up are LE Parc and Hotel Diez Categoria (both around Parque Lleras). But I only brought 1 chica up my entire stay, and I've head Hotel Diez can enforce the guest policy sometimes. The bellboy at LE Parc said it was no issue, but last time I stayed there was over a year ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806159]With respect to the many comments about the local culture disapproving of escorts entering hotels, I think you are overestimating how much everyone can notice. Throughout the world, including countries where sex work is completely illegal, attractive young women walk around hotels, meet guys in the lobby, and walk up to rooms an knock on doors. It happens every night in the finest hotels in the world and unless you walk right by a door while an attractive young lady is knocking, no one knows whether or not she is a sex worker.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true foreigner. Wherever you go locals can take one look at a girl when she is with a foreigner and tell whether she is a hooker or not. They are not as naive as you may think. I remember one guy in the Rio thread saying how he was out to dinner at a nice restaurant with a girl and she looked so good that he people kept looking their way. I replied they did that because they wondered what this guy was doing wining and dining a hooker, not because of how good she looked. Just because something is legal does not mean it is not looked down on or is widely accepted and should be flaunted.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806159]
With respect to the many comments about the local culture disapproving of escorts entering hotels, I think you are overestimating how much everyone can notice. Throughout the world, including countries where sex work is completely illegal, attractive young women walk around hotels, meet guys in the lobby, and walk up to rooms an knock on doors. It happens every night in the finest hotels in the world and unless you walk right by a door while an attractive young lady is knocking, no one knows whether or not she is a sex worker.[/QUOTE]Really no one?

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806159](...) but I am skeptical that it is to avoid offending the other guests since that does not happen anywhere else in the world.[/QUOTE]Have you been to Colombia?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1806231]Really no one?

Have you been to Colombia?[/QUOTE]Nope. With the exception of some planned group tourism activities, I will try to stay in the Mansion and surrounding restaurants to avoid offending any of the upstanding local populace.

I am more of a Europe and North American mongerer, where I have certainly had no problem with women coming up to the room, or accompanying them up to the room. I know to respect each different culture, which is why I asked about experiences with the Holiday Inn Express. But it seems to me that it benefits everyone to have women treated as equals, be allowed to roam freely, and be accepted whether or not they participate in the sex work industry. But who knows, maybe the prices would go up if that were so.

I do know that in Buenos Aires, all but one of the four ladies I saw registered at the front desk of the Hyatt and they called before she came up to my room. No "joiner fee" obviously. The one that did not was a European lady named Mia (Italian heritage but raised in Great Britain). She said she was simply treated differently in the hotels than darker-skinned sex workers. I felt a little uncomfortable with that, but she had lived a lot of different places and just accepted it as part of the culture.

I noticed that in Bangkok, the ladies automatically went to the front desk and registered. I have never seen or heard of this in Europe or North America, regardless of whether it is "legal" in that country, nor do any "guards" stop women from entering hotels in Europe or North America. So it is useful for "true foreigners" like me to ask about hotel guest policies.

Please consider this a well meaning advice. If you can, please take down your TA review. I know Sites hotel. They are good folks with good hotel at a good price and great service. A public review like that may benefit few rare single men who does know about ISG, but as [B]Black Page[/B] says, but it is certainly detrimental to the hotel. It is not just about negative opinions about the hotel (families and couples) but there are other issues which I will be happy to share via PM.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1804569]I was lodged in a hotel called Sites in Medellin from 30 October to 8 November. I have a review of this hotel written over on TripAdvisor titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" The hotel is chica friendly, and this is what I said in my review about that:

Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, "Is Hotel Sites chica friendly?" The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP.

Please let me know if you have any questions.[/QUOTE]

I will again quote a friend who said that while he understood that people need to use hookers, but why do gringos insist on taking them out in public.

They mostly can tell with one look that the chica is a hooker.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1806056]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. You won't be able to sneak them either, you have to walk past the reception to get to the elevators, and someone is always there.

And yes, it was only 15,000 points per night there. Location is good if you take cabs, since its on Avenida Poblado. But quite a trek to the metro.

2 hotels that I have not had any trouble bringing girls up are LE Parc and Hotel Diez Categoria (both around Parque Lleras). But I only brought 1 chica up my entire stay, and I've head Hotel Diez can enforce the guest policy sometimes. The bellboy at LE Parc said it was no issue, but last time I stayed there was over a year ago.[/QUOTE]Yes. Holiday Inn Express nails you with a substantial "chica fee". I brought my novia there the second night of my trip. They charged me a "chica fee" because I did not declare her upon checking in. And yes, it was stated there in the check-in rules. They also hit me with the hotel tax that they co not charge tourists because she was a local girl. The rules state that if a "local" stays at the hotel for even one night, they will charge you the additional hotel tax that locals pay for the entire stay. Same exact thing happened to me at a boutique hotel in Parqe Lleras. Read the fine print.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1806346]I will again quote a friend who said that while he understood that people need to use hookers, but why do gringos insist on taking them out in public.

They mostly can tell with one look that the chica is a hooker.[/QUOTE]That is a highly judgmental statement, on your friends part I mean.

So what if they can tell? I do it all the time and have a great time doing it. I do it because I enjoy going out, dancing, eating out and hanging out. Like all finer things in life, you have to put some thought into it and manage it. The girl and you have to dress elegantly, behave appropriately and pick the right place to go. For guys that like to take working girls out, they are saying that for them it is not just about sex. The girls I take out, you will never be able to tell they are working. However, you may be able to tell by looking at me that I must be paying her to be with me. My problem. Not hers. Ha ha.

The way I see it, and as long as she is willing and does not feel uncomfortable being seen with an older man, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks.

To quote a friend of mine who said the reason he does not take working girls out is because he calculates that for the amount of money I spend on a night out, he could have sex with her twice. A lot of guys think that way. I respect their decision. Their money and their choice.

Live and let live.

[QUOTE=HardWay6;1806385]Yes. Holiday Inn Express nails you with a substantial "chica fee". I brought my novia there the second night of my trip. They charged me a "chica fee" because I did not declare her upon checking in. And yes, it was stated there in the check-in rules. They also hit me with the hotel tax that they co not charge tourists because she was a local girl. The rules state that if a "local" stays at the hotel for even one night, they will charge you the additional hotel tax that locals pay for the entire stay. Same exact thing happened to me at a boutique hotel in Parqe Lleras. Read the fine print.[/QUOTE]I read the law and I didn't find anything about if you have a local guest you need to pat the VAT. Here's the law:

Am I exempted from paying VAT tax at the hotel?

You will be exempted from paying 16% VAT if you are buying accommodation services like "packages" that combine for example hotel stay and transport or hotel stay and restaurant or breakfast.

The hotel must be officially registered in the National Tourism Register.

You bought a package or plan from a registered Tour Operator.

Are all foreigners in Colombia hotel tax exempted?

No, according to Colombian law 2646 from 2013 if you are a non-resident foreign visitor or Colombia national you are granted a VAT tax exemption only if you fulfill these conditions:

Original passport with your Colombia entrance stamp showing that you are not being longer than 183 days in the country.

Original passport with tourist visa TP-11 or.

Andean card or Mercosur card with stamps PIP5 or PTP-5 showing your tourist condition.

Guys, please use appropriate threads so all discussions and information can be tracked and can potentially be useful to future users. Isn't that the whole point of a forum?..... Share and discuss info for future use?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1806391]That is a highly judgmental statement, on your friends part I mean.

So what if they can tell? I do it all the time and have a great time doing it. I do it because I enjoy going out, dancing, eating out and hanging out. Like all finer things in life, you have to put some thought into it and manage it. The girl and you have to dress elegantly, behave appropriately and pick the right place to go. For guys that like to take working girls out, they are saying that for them it is not just about sex. The girls I take out, you will never be able to tell they are working. However, you may be able to tell by looking at me that I must be paying her to be with me. My problem. Not hers. Ha ha.

The way I see it, and as long as she is willing and does not feel uncomfortable being seen with an older man, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks.

To quote a friend of mine who said the reason he does not take working girls out is because he calculates that for the amount of money I spend on a night out, he could have sex with her twice. A lot of guys think that way. I respect their decision. Their money and their choice.

Live and let live.[/QUOTE]I ditto your statement. I too enjoy taking girls out for the night to eat, drink and dance. I have allot of fun as this takes me back a few decades to a time when my life was simpler and free.

Example, a few weeks ago I had a session with a sweetheart of a girl from New Life over by the stadium so I set up a date night with her a few days later. We met at a nice restaurant in Poblado, then had drinks, walked around and ended up spending hours at the Gusto disco enjoying dancing and getting drunk together. What a night! Didn't even fuck her that night but nevertheless was one of the highlights of my trip.

To each his own. And we communicate now weeks later on Whats App asking when I will return. What a sweetheart and I may add you can not teach a person how to really take care of her man like she did, all naturally. Got to love these Paisas!

The Tall Man.

It's not uncommon for a woman to be with an older man under legitimate circumstances in Medellin or many other places. However the way the girl presents herself--both aesthetically and in terms of her attitude--is how people can tell or not. If you have good chemistry with a girl and she isn't an over-the-top pro ho, you are in fine shape. If you're with some high-heeled, high-skirted girl who has a tattoo of a man's name on her chest and a tramp stamp that extends down to her asshole and all she does is look at her phone for two hours at dinner, then you're giving it all away. I guess what I am saying is that if the GFE is limited to DFK, then leave her at home. If you are actually friends and can ACT normal together, then you will also LOOK normal together.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806255]I am more of a Europe and North American mongerer, where I have certainly had no problem with women coming up to the room, or accompanying them up to the room. I know to respect each different culture, which is why I asked about experiences with the Holiday Inn Express. But it seems to me that it benefits everyone to have women treated as equals, be allowed to roam freely, and be accepted whether or not they participate in the sex work industry. But who knows, maybe the prices would go up if that were so.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right that hotels in many parts of the world have hookers going in and out of them all the time. Happens a lot even in certain hotels in midtown Manhattan. A co-worker of mine once told me of a free show he saw during mid-afternoon, some business guy banging the heck out of some hooker in a very famous high-class hotel across his office building.

But Colombia is a bit different. May I remind you this is a country that's had some significant "security" issues in the recent past? People, even pretty girls walking in alone, are not allowed to just go in and out of Colombian hotels.

And in any case, as Black Page has pointed out, you can't throw a pebble in Medellin or Bogota without hitting a love motel nearby. When in Rome.

I suspect the language barrier scares a lot of guys into not using them. Or they mistakenly think they are safer in a regular hotel. On the contrary, taking a chica you just met to an hourly motel is probably safer for you in terms of not getting robbed. I almost always do my duplas in a love motel for that reason.

On a side note, just wanted to comment on Quagmire's TripAdvisor review. I don't think it's such a big deal as eventually the review gets lost in the pile with the other reviews, especially as time passes.

Still, he could phrase things a bit more diplomatically; instead of "single male" or "chica policy" he can use more discreet phrases, and guys in the hobby will still be able to read between the lines and know what he's talking about.

For example, you can mention if a hotel has a "strict guest policy" or that "should your friend choose to stay the evening" an additional charge of such and such applies etc.

Most people will skim over those details while hobbyists will know exactly what you mean.

I think we all should make an effort to protect our hobby by erring on the side of discretion and caution.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1806846]You are absolutely right that hotels in many parts of the world have hookers going in and out of them all the time. Happens a lot even in certain hotels in midtown Manhattan. A co-worker of mine once told me of a free show he saw during mid-afternoon, some business guy banging the heck out of some hooker in a very famous high-class hotel across his office building.

But Colombia is a bit different. May I remind you this is a country that's had some significant "security" issues in the recent past? People, even pretty girls walking in alone, are not allowed to just go in and out of Colombian hotels.

And in any case, as Black Page has pointed out, you can't throw a pebble in Medellin or Bogota without hitting a love motel nearby. When in Rome.

I suspect the language barrier scares a lot of guys into not using them. Or they mistakenly think they are safer in a regular hotel. On the contrary, taking a chica you just met to an hourly motel is probably safer for you in terms of not getting robbed. I almost always do my duplas in a love motel for that reason.

On a side note, just wanted to comment on Quagmire's TripAdvisor review. I don't think it's such a big deal as eventually the review gets lost in the pile with the other reviews, especially as time passes.

Still, he could phrase things a bit more diplomatically; instead of "single male" or "chica policy" he can use more discreet phrases, and guys in the hobby will still be able to read between the lines and know what he's talking about.

For example, you can mention if a hotel has a "strict guest policy" or that "should your friend choose to stay the evening" an additional charge of such and such applies etc.

Most people will skim over those details while hobbyists will know exactly what you mean.

I think we all should make an effort to protect our hobby by erring on the side of discretion and caution.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I did not realize that about the quantity of Love Motels, so that is quite helpful. That is the way it is with Pattaya with motels practically attached to the Beer Halls. Although it is less about registering and more about minimizing the transit time of the ladies. But one thing I like about using my own room is that it is easier to lay it a person's own supplies and "fun stuff", so I have never been as into incall or Love Motels. So the Mansion seems a good choice for me.

On travel reviews, I probably would just note that it was very easy for friends to come up to the room without the security hassle at so many Medellin hotels. Johns would get the drift, but it would go right past most everyone else.

Your friend can't speak the local language, blend-in, dance or look like a younger woman would have a legitimate reason to be with him. Or maybe not, different strokes for different folks. The point is I don't care what someone else does with their time and money- and neither should he.

Only good energy! L.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1806346]I will again quote a friend who said that while he understood that people need to use hookers, but why do gringos insist on taking them out in public.

They mostly can tell with one look that the chica is a hooker.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AveMariaPues;1806767]It's not uncommon for a woman to be with an older man under legitimate circumstances in Medellin or many other places. However the way the girl presents herself--both aesthetically and in terms of her attitude--is how people can tell or not. If you have good chemistry with a girl and she isn't an over-the-top pro ho, you are in fine shape. If you're with some high-heeled, high-skirted girl who has a tattoo of a man's name on her chest and a tramp stamp that extends down to her asshole and all she does is look at her phone for two hours at dinner, then you're giving it all away. I guess what I am saying is that if the GFE is limited to DFK, then leave her at home. If you are actually friends and can ACT normal together, then you will also LOOK normal together.[/QUOTE]Nice post.

[QUOTE=AveMariaPues;1806767]It's not uncommon for a woman to be with an older man under legitimate circumstances in Medellin or many other places. However the way the girl presents herself--both aesthetically and in terms of her attitude--is how people can tell or not. If you have good chemistry with a girl and she isn't an over-the-top pro ho, you are in fine shape. If you're with some high-heeled, high-skirted girl who has a tattoo of a man's name on her chest and a tramp stamp that extends down to her asshole and all she does is look at her phone for two hours at dinner, then you're giving it all away. I guess what I am saying is that if the GFE is limited to DFK, then leave her at home. If you are actually friends and can ACT normal together, then you will also LOOK normal together.[/QUOTE]In DR, CR, Colo, Peru, Arg, Ect. If a guy is with a SUPER hot girl and he speaks 3 maybe 8 words of Spanish and she speaks 0 or 2 words of English. This is the dead give a way. Like in the USA I worked in nice bars and steak houses all in my College days. Its the way the girl dresses and if the guy is not dressed accordingly. If he's in Jean and a polo shirt; you know looking nice and presentable and she's in a slutty dress and 8 inches heels? Not too hard to figure out.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1807227]In DR, CR, Colo, Peru, Arg, Ect. If a guy is with a SUPER hot girl and he speaks 3 maybe 8 words of Spanish and she speaks 0 or 2 words of English. This is the dead give a way. Like in the USA I worked in nice bars and steak houses all in my College days. Its the way the girl dresses and if the guy is not dressed accordingly. If he's in Jean and a polo shirt; you know looking nice and presentable and she's in a slutty dress and 8 inches heels? Not too hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]What's "funny" to me is that even when I've asked a girl to dress conservatively or casually she will still come dressed like a puta. I guess they sometimes feel they are looking appropriate, sexy, classy from the POV they develop in their surroundings.

[QUOTE=Miguelito9;1805861]Hello chaps,

I have noticed there are plenty of good posts and information about casas and other short time opportunities, but there is little mentioned when it comes to long time.

Well, call me romantic but I am looking for the old fashion TLN. I am wondering, are there any pick up places for quality chicas without taking my chances at a randomly chosen club?

I mean after all we are willing to pay, aren't we? Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio or "Classico" in Sosa used to be. Or is Columbia simply the wrong place that?[/QUOTE]In Colombia one can find TLN most anywhere. In Columbia , I am not so sure.

The closest thing to the old Help in Rio is La Dolce Vita in Cartagena. I remember in 2009 a TLN from LDV turned into a todo la semana. In Medellin you can session with a girl at Fase2 for 180 and get her number and set up a TLN on her night off for 300 k if you have a modicum of game.

Getting a TLN in Colombia is really the same as it is in Thailand, CR, Brazil and yes in the US of A. If you build rapport and have a connection with the girl your chances for ST vs. LT go up dramatically.

[QUOTE=Miguelito9;1805861]Hello chaps,

Well, call me romantic but I am looking for the old fashion TLN. I am wondering, are there any pick up places for quality chicas without taking my chances at a randomly chosen club?

I mean after all we are willing to pay, aren't we? Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio or "Classico" in Sosa used to be. Or is Columbia simply the wrong place that?[/QUOTE]There isn't an equivalent to Classico or Mab's in MDE; there is no well-known freelancer pickup bar. This is one of the laments for MDE. You've got the casas, the strip clubs, the massage parlors, and the streetwalkers, but no FL bars. Or, not any that are known to us, the average gringo monger w / limited Spanish.

However, there is a nightlife scene at Parque Lleras, and we did visit it during our trip in May. However, the paisas come and go in groups, it's not a singles' scene. They are notoriously cliquish, but we didn't find them to be too terrible. MDE bar scene is the kind of place you visit with a girl you have pipelined beforehand on ColombianCupid.

[QUOTE=Miguelito9;1805861]

Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio [/QUOTE]THROWBACK!! Wow I have soo many great stories from there. Such a shame it closed down.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1807227]In DR, CR, Colo, Peru, Arg, Ect. If a guy is with a SUPER hot girl and he speaks 3 maybe 8 words of Spanish and she speaks 0 or 2 words of English. This is the dead give a way. Like in the USA I worked in nice bars and steak houses all in my College days. Its the way the girl dresses and if the guy is not dressed accordingly. If he's in Jean and a polo shirt; you know looking nice and presentable and she's in a slutty dress and 8 inches heels? Not too hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]Good point, personally I figured that went without saying (how can you act natural and appear actual friends without speaking the same language?) however the comportment of other gringos in Colombia tells me differently. Some of these guys have been coming for years and still can't get past "cuanto cuesta la pussy?

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1808108]...Getting a TLN in Colombia is really the same as it is in Thailand, CR, Brazil and yes in the US of A. If you build rapport and have a connection with the girl your chances for ST vs. LT go up dramatically.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I disagree.

For TLN, Colombia is nothing like Thailand, where you can buy pussy by the pound and keep it as long as you want. Now, the US? You must be joking, right?

Also, difficult to build rapport and connection when you're there for a week, with limited language ability.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;1807485]What's "funny" to me is that even when I've asked a girl to dress conservatively or casually she will still come dressed like a puta. I guess they sometimes feel they are looking appropriate, sexy, classy from the POV they develop in their surroundings.[/QUOTE]I am always puzzled by that behavior. Now, I try to avoid going out with a working girl as much as possible.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1808381]
Also, difficult to build rapport and connection when you're there for a week, with limited language ability.[/QUOTE]
Ohw YES! You caught where's the flaw. Time for bravest guys to invest some time to learn/improve Spanish before traveling, unless one is satisfied with a series of ST sessions and visits at local brothels, maybe accompanied by an older brother.

PS: I just bought "Easy Indonesian". If I find the time to study it a bit, it could be the best spent 20$ of last years.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1808381]Sorry, but I disagree.

For TLN, Colombia is nothing like Thailand, where you can buy pussy by the pound and keep it as long as you want. Now, the US? You must be joking, right?

Also, difficult to build rapport and connection when you're there for a week, with limited language ability.[/QUOTE]Colombia v Thailand v USA are different in many many things but what remains the same world over is simply build a connection and your chances increase she will stay longer or overnight.

Example 1: all the fuck over the Pattaya boards and AC boards people are lamenting that girls just don't go LT from the gogos much anymore. Bullshit, they do. Every girl that I wanted to take LT in those places in Sept. / Oct. Did why? Because I had spent time with them building a connection. One time exactly as I was paying my BF there was another guy next to me trying to take a far uglier dancer out. She wouldn't go LT with him, refused even when he offered her 1000 more. I asked my girl about this 15 minutes later when we were in a restaurant, she said "my friend no like he".

Example 2: the US if a guy dresses like a slob, doesn't pretend to listen at least to the woman's ramblings about her life, smells bad, etc, end of date the date is over. Finito. He is charming, shows her a good time, chances increase she goes home with him. This I hear every god damn Monday morning at work when my female colleagues were discussing what happened over the weekend.

A connection is begun the moment you walk in the club within 10 minutes the girl has already made her judgments, connection continues to be built over time.

Anyone here ever done a trip to the Mansion over New Years? I have most of that week free, and was thinking of booking a trip. Do girls come to party? Or do they stay home with family? I was thinking of coming by for Dec 30-Jan3.

If it will suck, does anyone know of a relatively good punting destination that is good to go to for the New Years? Doesn't have to be Colombia.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1808534]Anyone here ever done a trip to the Mansion over New Years? I have most of that week free, and was thinking of booking a trip. Do girls come to party? Or do they stay home with family? I was thinking of coming by for Dec 30-Jan3.

If it will suck, does anyone know of a relatively good punting destination that is good to go to for the New Years? Doesn't have to be Colombia.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Search the key words Medellin Dec and you should get a good number of results. The two weeks before Christmas are some of the best times to visit. The Christmas-NYE to like 10 days after are horrible!

Girls go away with family and everything is 40% less quiet. All the girls go to the Finca with their families; think of it like how a long weekend drys up the city back home in the states. Now that by 4.

Both of my suggestions require you to speak decent Spanish and are late night / early morning, and will work better on weekends. First, you can try Luna Lunera near closing time (2 or 3 am I believe). The chicas there will often be happy to leave with you, or meet you at your apartment, especially if you have bought them a few drinks. The second option is Fahrenheit disco after 3 am or so. It is a regular disco with normal couples and chicas but plenty of prepagos as well, including some who go there after the strip clubs close. In both cases 150 K to 250 K pesos might get you TLN.

[QUOTE=Miguelito9;1805861]Hello chaps,

I have noticed there are plenty of good posts and information about casas and other short time opportunities, but there is little mentioned when it comes to long time.

Well, call me romantic but I am looking for the old fashion TLN. I am wondering, are there any pick up places for quality chicas without taking my chances at a randomly chosen club?

I mean after all we are willing to pay, aren't we? Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio or "Classico" in Sosa used to be. Or is Columbia simply the wrong place that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaulPassem;1806089]Hi Miguelito9,

I've written before about staying at Colombia Jake's place. (Actually, it's the only place I've stayed for mongering in Medellin.) I once did TLN which was very satisfying. 300 k to the girl. Reading the board, it sounds like you can have it cheaper (about 200 k, maybe even 150 k), but as you point out, you take a risk, while in my experience Jake's girls have been consistently good in looks and attitude.[/QUOTE]Thanks and heard from two full timers who live here this week, who are very sharp about being taken advantage of, got drugged and robbed after inviting a girl over from Colombia Cupid! The girl was very disarming by saying she wasn't there for money and she was a veterinarian. At some point she was able to put a sedative not sure which, but the police didn't think it was Scopolamine into their drinks and both went out for several hours while she cleaned house. Between the two she got $7,000 and neither got laid, so there's one more reason my service is helpful. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1808313]THROWBACK!! Wow I have soo many great stories from there. Such a shame it closed down.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VBlaromJY[/URL]

Then, you should appreciate this little gem.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1808910][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VBlaromJY[/URL]

Then, you should appreciate this little gem.[/QUOTE]I watch this video again and again whenever I feel sad. It is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

If you are fortunate to have been to help back in its heyday this video will first make you cry from laughter and then cry because help is gone.

Hey everyone!

I am a new user to the guide so I'm looking forward to sharing my experiences and reading about yours.

On to business! So, this is my first time coming to Colombia and I have heard a lot of great things and that Medellin was the place to go, so, that's where I am going.

Can I get some guidance and help about what bars or clubs to go to for girls? I have been to Tijuana, Thailand, Manila, really all over so I am not sure if I bar fine a girl or I just go to an actual "brothel" or how it works best in Medellin.

I have heard of a place called the mansion, I have read about Colombia Jake and I have seen many ads for independent escorts with flat rates. My head is spinning! I'm going to be there for 3 days, where is the best place to go or what is my best option for the hottest girls with those famous Colombian curves!?

Thanks! If I can offer any help or guidance about any of my previous travels let me know!

Darkwing!

[QUOTE=DarkWing21;1808959]Hey everyone!
I have heard of a place called the mansion, I have read about Colombia Jake and I have seen many ads for independent escorts with flat rates. My head is spinning! I'm going to be there for 3 days, where is the best place to go or what is my best option for the hottest girls with those famous Colombian curves!?
[/QUOTE]It seems like you are leaning towards the Mansion or ColombianJake. I would say don't break your head. Keep it simple. The hot Colombian girls are everywhere. Since you only have 3 days, make a decision to staying with either one and enjoy those three days to the fullest. You won't go wrong by going to the Mansion or Colombianjake. The problem you have is one of limited time and too many P4P options in Medellin. Just keep it simple and make your reservation. At the mansion or Colombianjake, you will get your Colombian curves, will get the chance to explore other places, casas, night clubs, etc, and will get the guidance that you need so they are both good points to start for a newbie in Medellin.

[QUOTE=DarkWing21;1808959]Hey everyone!

I am a new user to the guide so I'm looking forward to sharing my experiences and reading about yours.

On to business! So, this is my first time coming to Colombia and I have heard a lot of great things and that Medellin was the place to go, so, that's where I am going.

Can I get some guidance and help about what bars or clubs to go to for girls? I have been to Tijuana, Thailand, Manila, really all over so I am not sure if I bar fine a girl or I just go to an actual "brothel" or how it works best in Medellin.

I have heard of a place called the mansion, I have read about Colombia Jake and I have seen many ads for independent escorts with flat rates. My head is spinning! I'm going to be there for 3 days, where is the best place to go or what is my best option for the hottest girls with those famous Colombian curves!?

Thanks! If I can offer any help or guidance about any of my previous travels let me know!

Darkwing![/QUOTE]Welcome.

Wow only 3 days? First advice would be at least lengthen that a day or two. Colombia is not like SEA where the girls are served to you on a platter. Generally speaking there isn't much done in the classic BF model from SEA.

Most of the daytime action is centered around the Casas downtown or perhaps calling a freelancer over to your place. Night time action can be the strip clubs like Fase2 or Luna lunera or others along with dates set up again with free lancers you have met online or exchanged numbers with at the strip club, the mall, gym etc.

How is your Spanish? It is a rare girl here that speaks more than 10 words of English. Even if you do speak Spanish well I would consider staying at the Mansion your first time especially since you are staying only 3 days. If you strikeout one day you have lost 33% of your trip. When I go for a month and strike out one day I lost 3% of my trip. The Mansion is kinda like a bed and breakfast house. Girls come and hang out by the pool during the day and at night some stay and some go home to take care of their babies and then more girls show up to their bar. Girls pretty much go for 150 k pesos for 1-2 hrs. All night is usually 300 k. Very easy to have a good time there. Bad news is the quality of the girls is 7's? Almost never 9-10's. The other benefit is at the mansion you will meet a bunch of other guys in Medellin doing what you are doing and you possibly can join in on a casa tour or strip club run.

Now you need to go RTFF. All the info is in there, yes you have to sift through a lot of useless posts but in between there is good info. I don't mean go back 5 pages I mean 100. For my trip to Pattaya in September I went back 100 pages and read forward and I am not new to Pattaya as you are to Colombia. I've been there 8 times and spent a total of 6 months there but still I went back and read.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1808945]I watch this video again and again whenever I feel sad. It is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

If you are fortunate to have been to help back in its heyday this video will first make you cry from laughter and then cry because help is gone.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Watched some videos people had filmed inside and outside. Brings back memories. I hope the city is happy now having made it so fewer of their citizens have a chance to make much needed income.

One of my friends has no where to stay.

She is stunning, 25 yo + son 5 yo.

Educated, really a good friend. Since I have been to Medellin many times for several years, I'm home in nearby Copenhagen now and don't return until June or August, many friends that are short in supply. This time she is Cero in supply.

I have told her that she destroys for me and make my existence here at ISG, where I get her clients, all that is lost if she try to steal or anything bad.

And if you accept her, to having her as a friend, you have a temporal novia; I said like 100 k COP a day, if you want full sexservice; and she get's housing, alimentation etc.

She is stunning and just need a good guy to take care of her until she is back on her feets!

I have given her 3 clients from ISG, her name has been EVITA.

PM for contact info if really interested.

[QUOTE=DarkWing21;1808959]Hey everyone!

I am a new user to the guide so I'm looking forward to sharing my experiences and reading about yours.

On to business! So, this is my first time coming to Colombia and I have heard a lot of great things and that Medellin was the place to go, so, that's where I am going.

Can I get some guidance and help about what bars or clubs to go to for girls? I have been to Tijuana, Thailand, Manila, really all over so I am not sure if I bar fine a girl or I just go to an actual "brothel" or how it works best in Medellin.

I have heard of a place called the mansion, I have read about Colombia Jake and I have seen many ads for independent escorts with flat rates. My head is spinning! I'm going to be there for 3 days, where is the best place to go or what is my best option for the hottest girls with those famous Colombian curves!?

Thanks! If I can offer any help or guidance about any of my previous travels let me know!

Darkwing![/QUOTE]Hey man,

In my opinion three days is a very short time but you're lucky in that outside of pussy and partying, there isn't much "can't-miss" stuff here.

You can go to the Mansion and be with hardcore pros and a bunch of other gringos. You may like it. If you want girls that are a little fresher, go to Lindas Chicas. Girls are there from like 10 PM onward and you can take them all night long. I honestly think it is your best bet for quality trim, though you will pay a premium price. Yes, you could mine the MPs and get for $15 what you get for $75 there, but you could also find a bunch of ugly slags depending on the day. Plus what you would do at night? You can tell the LC girls all night, rest and chill all day, then return. That is my advice, the service there is exceptional and many of the girls are very beautiful. All are younger and fresher than what you'd generally find elsewhere.

[QUOTE=PianoPlayer;1808564]Both of my suggestions require you to speak decent Spanish and are late night / early morning, and will work better on weekends. First, you can try Luna Lunera near closing time (2 or 3 am I believe). The chicas there will often be happy to leave with you, or meet you at your apartment, especially if you have bought them a few drinks. The second option is Fahrenheit disco after 3 am or so. It is a regular disco with normal couples and chicas but plenty of prepagos as well, including some who go there after the strip clubs close. In both cases 150 K to 250 K pesos might get you TLN.[/QUOTE]There are lots of TLN options. You can multa (bar fine) girls from Barra Ejecutiva and Maracaibo. You used to be able to from San Diego, not sure if you still can. Fase II and Lindas Chicas you definitely can, though they are more expensive (LC is worth it sometimes, F2 not so much anymore). Independents will do TLN. MP girls might go for it, especially if they don't have kids.

Waiting around until the middle of the night might save you the bar fine but it will also kill a lot of your time. I have never fully understood that strategy, does not appeal to me at all.

Is there such a thing down here? Thinking of going 28-31 of this month wondering if it would be worth it?

I'm headed to Medellin on Tuesday, currently stuck in Bogota. Won't be mongering here, too much traffic. Where in medellin can I find women with big butts in Medellin, I don't mean with implants or any kind of surgery but big curvy big bootied women please. I will head to all the places I see listed to check it out but any pointers will be gladly appreciated. I understand perhaps medellin or even Colombia isn't the ideal place for what I'm looking for but I'm willing to put in the effort.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1809404]Is there such a thing down here? Thinking of going 28-31 of this month wondering if it would be worth it?[/QUOTE]I suggest you read the fucking forum before asking questions.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1809552]I'm headed to Medellin on Tuesday, currently stuck in Bogota. Won't be mongering here, too much traffic. Where in medellin can I find women with big butts in Medellin, I don't mean with implants or any kind of surgery but big curvy big bootied women please. I will head to all the places I see listed to check it out but any pointers will be gladly appreciated. I understand perhaps medellin or even Colombia isn't the ideal place for what I'm looking for but I'm willing to put in the effort.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Check out Chicas Puntos Com near Parque Bolivar in El Centro. I wouldn't say they specialize in that but they have a wide selection and lean towards the larger sizes. Be sure to check out both of the two reception / viewing rooms.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1809552]I'm headed to Medellin on Tuesday, currently stuck in Bogota. Won't be mongering here, too much traffic. Where in medellin can I find women with big butts in Medellin, I don't mean with implants or any kind of surgery but big curvy big bootied women please. I will head to all the places I see listed to check it out but any pointers will be gladly appreciated. I understand perhaps medellin or even Colombia isn't the ideal place for what I'm looking for but I'm willing to put in the effort.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Go casa hopping, you will find women like this at [URL]chicas.com[/URL] and the other one by it as someone said. New life always has several (though they have variety). A lot of the smaller casas also have it. Contact Jonesie or someone experienced for a casa tour. You will find a *ton* of women like this plying their trade. In some cases they are at a big casa and they are somewhat unpopular (though often they are popular) and many times they are at small, less frequented casas. Only a few (aiffe, zandalay, yakuza, etc) specialize in skinny girls and even there you will find a fat bottomed one here or there. Lots of non pro gorditas too. You will find this body type in abundance and very cheap, less than $20 USD.

[QUOTE=AveMariaPues;1809268]There are lots of TLN options. You can multa (bar fine) girls from Barra Ejecutiva and Maracaibo.

Waiting around until the middle of the night might save you the bar fine but it will also kill a lot of your time. I have never fully understood that strategy, does not appeal to me at all.[/QUOTE]What I don't understand is taking a chick from a sport fucking venue for TLN. The last thing on my mind after watching a chick go upstairs with two guys in the last hour is, "Gee, I sure would like to have HER for the rest of the night. " Not saying that any other massage or facebook chick could not have done the same thing, but I didn't just watch them do it.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1809404]Is there such a thing down here? Thinking of going 28-31 of this month wondering if it would be worth it?[/QUOTE]In my opinion Dec 24 through 31 are about the worst time you can go. Semana Santa from Thursday to (Easter) Sunday is pretty bad, too. Lots of family stuff.

I would say come sooner. Right *before* the holidays, say Nov 25 until Dec 22 roughly, great time to be here. Everyone is out selling their ass for Christmas money. Loads of semi pros, former pros, etc coming out of the woodwork, great competition.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1809626]What I don't understand is taking a chick from a sport fucking venue for TLN. The last thing on my mind after watching a chick go upstairs with two guys in the last hour is, "Gee, I sure would like to have HER for the rest of the night. " Not saying that any other massage or facebook chick could not have done the same thing, but I didn't just watch them do it.[/QUOTE]It depends, you can catch the girl when she just arrived and it's fine. I agree with you in general, that is another reason I don't get the guys who wait until 2 AM to make their move.

That is another reason I recommend Lindas Chicas. The girls charge more but they work less. If they got one client in a night, that's good, two is *great*. Plus they arrive late. So you can get there between 10 and 12 at night and still catch a fresh one. They mostly sleep all day LOL, especially since they are there working until 5 AM. The girls give great company and service, too. If they don't the mamasan cracks down hard on them.

I lived in Medellin for 6 months 5 years ago. I understand much has changed.

Question: Is there a directory / guide / listing that independents use? I know there are companies that serve as brokers / middlemen. I am more interested in just establishing contact and scheduling appointments. Also, I am staying in a nice hotel in El Poblado. I would imagine they will "scorn" a visitor. Are there any new temporary accommodations for a fuck fest that is clean and secure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1809626]What I don't understand is taking a chick from a sport fucking venue for TLN. The last thing on my mind after watching a chick go upstairs with two guys in the last hour is, "Gee, I sure would like to have HER for the rest of the night. " Not saying that any other massage or facebook chick could not have done the same thing, but I didn't just watch them do it.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, but: why not?

[QUOTE=AveMariaPues;1809266]Hey man,

In my opinion three days is a very short time but you're lucky in that outside of pussy and partying, there isn't much "can't-miss" stuff here.

You can go to the Mansion and be with hardcore pros and a bunch of other gringos. You may like it. If you want girls that are a little fresher, go to Lindas Chicas. Girls are there from like 10 PM onward and you can take them all night long. I honestly think it is your best bet for quality trim, though you will pay a premium price. Yes, you could mine the MPs and get for $15 what you get for $75 there, but you could also find a bunch of ugly slags depending on the day. Plus what you would do at night? You can tell the LC girls all night, rest and chill all day, then return. That is my advice, the service there is exceptional and many of the girls are very beautiful. All are younger and fresher than what you'd generally find elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Ave María Pues. Where is this located?

[QUOTE=IamZon;1809633]I lived in Medellin for 6 months 5 years ago. I understand much has changed.

Question: Is there a directory / guide / listing that independents use? I know there are companies that serve as brokers / middlemen. I am more interested in just establishing contact and scheduling appointments. Also, I am staying in a nice hotel in El Poblado. I would imagine they will "scorn" a visitor. Are there any new temporary accommodations for a fuck fest that is clean and secure.[/QUOTE]Look into a hotel named Sites. It's in Poblado and I was lodged there from 28 October to 9 November of this year. I have a review of the hotel titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" over on TripAdvisor. Sites is chica friendly and is a 7-minute walk to a nearby Exito supermarket, a 9-minute walk to the Poblado Metro station, a 10-minute walk to Parque Lleras, and a 12-minute walk to Oviedo Mall.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1809691]With all due respect, but: why not?[/QUOTE]Ha ha, well some guys have the eww-gross factor of thinking these chicas have already had 2 or 3 dicks inside her within a 24-hour period or less. Maybe she even let them pop in her mouth. The DFK doesn't seem so appealing. At one level, it seems silly and hypocritical; but at another level, maybe those guys have a point.

But putting aside the eww-gross factor, I do think the chica's energy level and overall eagerness to have the session with you will be somewhat depleted by the third client of the day or evening.

[QUOTE=AveMariaPues;1809268]Waiting around until the middle of the night might save you the bar fine but it will also kill a lot of your time. I have never fully understood that strategy, does not appeal to me at all. [/QUOTE]Funny you mentioned that, I've kind of evolved on that as well. I hated paying multas because I felt like the venue was ripping me off and I'd rather pay a bit more to the girl than some middle-man.

Of course, if this page was a forum for strip club and brothel owners, we'd be complaining about cheap-ass gringos, LOL, trying to pick up our girls for free while we do all the hard work of recruiting non-flaky chicas who show up on time to their job, and all the expenses, bribes, and pay-offs involved in running such a venue.

Sometimes, I now pay the multa to take the chica out. It depends on the situation, the vibe I'm getting from the girl and other factors. This is something you just have to feel out, is on a case-by-case basis.

I also don't have the energy level I used to. Sometimes I'd wait for a chica till she finishes her shift at 2, then go to an after-hours spot, then back to my place. Sleep like a vampire all day. Now that I'm in my 40's, I can't really play like that anymore, LOL.

By the way, you can even pay a multa to take a chica out of certain day casas. I've found that some of these chicas, usually instructed by certain venues to NOT give BBBJ, can get pretty wild once you take them off-premises.

Bro unless you have 500 plus chicks on your Facebook you will have a hard time getting girls to show up during those dates. Half of the girls are already in fincas with their families around Dec 28 - 31. I have been going to medellin for last 10 plus years and still have to book girls now in advance for those dates.

Medellin is sort of dead during new years all the girls want to spend time with families.

Regards,

John.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1809404]Is there such a thing down here? Thinking of going 28-31 of this month wondering if it would be worth it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1809626]What I don't understand is taking a chick from a sport fucking venue for TLN. The last thing on my mind after watching a chick go upstairs with two guys in the last hour is, "Gee, I sure would like to have HER for the rest of the night. " Not saying that any other massage or facebook chick could not have done the same thing, but I didn't just watch them do it.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

TLN is pretending she's your GF. You meet her, have drinks, music, then keep calm and go to room to enjoy without hurry. Also wake up together.

Doing that after having waited a girl out of the door, while she was thoroughly fucked by 1 or 2 fellow mongers, then kiss her and say "let's go my dear" sounds weird to me (or it's for cuckold, but that's another story).

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1809803]Ha ha, well some guys have the eww-gross factor of thinking these chicas have already had 2 or 3 dicks inside her within a 24-hour period or less. Maybe she even let them pop in her mouth. The DFK doesn't seem so appealing. At one level, it seems silly and hypocritical; but at another level, maybe those guys have a point.

But putting aside the eww-gross factor, I do think the chica's energy level and overall eagerness to have the session with you will be somewhat depleted by the third client of the day or evening.[/QUOTE]Sure, off course I understand that you do not want to be the third guy in line, waiting for two other guys to finish with her first. Even though you know you're not the only one that day you don't want to be confronted with it visually. It was more of a rhetorical question.

I have no experience in Colombia, but I do have brief experience with Colombianas and from that experience I know that, even if she has had 10 guys (literally) today, she will still be able to treat you right and perform 200%. Off course not all girls are the same, but two clients a day sounds like a luxury compared to what I have been working with during my last vacation. For this fact alone I can't wait to hit MDE.

If you go for DFK you are willingly taking a risk, same with DATY, funky business. But someones got to do it, hehe. Enjoy your weekend.

[QUOTE=ColBoxer;1809726]Ave Mara Pues. Where is this located?[/QUOTE]I am surprised it's not on WT69's list. The address is Calle 58 No. 50 A-54. It's kind of hard to find. What you want to do--and this works on foot or in a cab--is go to Centro Comercial Villanueva. There you will see sort of a bridge, in a car you could go under or go above. You want to go above. It's the first street there (cross the street from CCV) practically on the corner. It just looks like a big house (it is an old mansion from the days when the Centro was the place to be for rich people) with a white metal gate. I think your best bet is to call ahead, especially if you are coming with friends. Then the mamasan will have a nice lineup for you. If you just drop in (for sure 10 PM or later, more like 11) there might only be two or three girls. If you bring a crew of guys, then she will have 8-12. Some great finds there but often the girls are here today, gone tomorrow. All the girls are under 25 (more like under 22), all of them are slim and all of them are 100% natural ( sure, but no fake tits or asses, no plastic surgery of any kind).

[QUOTE=John;1809833]Bro unless you have 500 plus chicks on your Facebook you will have a hard time getting girls to show up during those dates. Half of the girls are already in fincas with their families around Dec 28 - 31. I have been going to medellin for last 10 plus years and still have to book girls now in advance for those dates.

Medellin is sort of dead during new years all the girls want to spend time with families.

Regards,

John.[/QUOTE]Thanks thinking you week leading into to Christmas but I plan to be gone before Christmas Eve if that will be any better.

I can't speak as much for the casa girls, as I don't go as often as I used to. But my general perception is that Colombian chicas have great hygiene. Whenever I show with them after sex (or see them through the glass), they are always thoroughly washing the kitty. So I don't worry all that much about some guy coming before me. In fact, many of the chicas I got with shower both before and after sex.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1809922]Sure, off course I understand that you do not want to be the third guy in line, waiting for two other guys to finish with her first. Even though you know you're not the only one that day you don't want to be confronted with it visually. It was more of a rhetorical question.

I have no experience in Colombia, but I do have brief experience with Colombianas and from that experience I know that, even if she has had 10 guys (literally) today, she will still be able to treat you right and perform 200%. Off course not all girls are the same, but two clients a day sounds like a luxury compared to what I have been working with during my last vacation. For this fact alone I can't wait to hit MDE.

If you go for DFK you are willingly taking a risk, same with DATY, funky business. But someones got to do it, hehe. Enjoy your weekend.[/QUOTE]

The key to finding chicas during this time is to hone in on two criteria: 1) Chicas without a true family (or a very poor family who cannot afford to go anywhere) or 2) chicas who are really hurting for money.

I already have a pretty good idea of which of my favorites will likely go be gone and which will still need money and make themselves available for a session. Never a 100% guarantee, but knowing their situation and their needs is always good way to increase the odds of getting what you want when you want it. Even during the holiday.

[QUOTE=John;1809833]Bro unless you have 500 plus chicks on your Facebook you will have a hard time getting girls to show up during those dates. Half of the girls are already in fincas with their families around Dec 28 - 31. I have been going to medellin for last 10 plus years and still have to book girls now in advance for those dates.

Medellin is sort of dead during new years all the girls want to spend time with families.

Regards,

John.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1810035]I can't speak as much for the casa girls, as I don't go as often as I used to. But my general perception is that Colombian chicas have great hygiene. Whenever I show with them after sex (or see them through the glass), they are always thoroughly washing the kitty. So I don't worry all that much about some guy coming before me. In fact, many of the chicas I got with shower both before and after sex.[/QUOTE]I agree. The Colombian women with whom I had the pleasure to be with [I]all[/I] had good hygiene, and they expected the same from me. I've seen some guys get a "no seor" due to questionable hygiene (like a friend of mine put it). I imagine most guys will select their ladies based on a set of criteria and preferences, good hygiene being mandatory.

DATY has been a basic part of the deal so far, with girls from CLO, BOG and MDE. DFK is a different story, especially with two Paisas I sessioned extensivley. One of them started allowing DFK from our third session. Before that it was just slight kissing, no tongue. This leads me to believe that you don't get DFK by default from Colombianas. Besides Colombian beauties I have some experience with Brazilian girls in Rio where, in my experience, you get DFK without asking.

I prefer my sessions to be personal, no rush and based on at least a small bit of chemistry. DFK helps me get into my zone so it would be good if it's not a complete taboo in MDE.

I agree 100 percent. I have no problem getting dates for my self for new years eve but if some one is new in Colombia and don't know many girls then I am sure he will have a hard time finding some one during those dates compared to other normal times.

Regards,

John.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1810037]The key to finding chicas during this time is to hone in on two criteria: 1) Chicas without a true family (or a very poor family who cannot afford to go anywhere) or 2) chicas who are really hurting for money.

I already have a pretty good idea of which of my favorites will likely go be gone and which will still need money and make themselves available for a session. Never a 100% guarantee, but knowing their situation and their needs is always good way to increase the odds of getting what you want when you want it. Even during the holiday.[/QUOTE]

So going to MDE in Jan to visit the novia. We were looking for a hotel with a jetted tub or a jacuzzi. The only one I found was the Charlee. Which is like $230/ night. Not too excited about paying those prices. Anyone know of a good hotel that offers that. In Poblado of course. Thanks again fellas.

[QUOTE=NCal2014;1810115]So going to MDE in Jan to visit the novia. We were looking for a hotel with a jetted tub or a jacuzzi. The only one I found was the Charlee. Which is like $230/ night. Not too excited about paying those prices. Anyone know of a good hotel that offers that. In Poblado of course. Thanks again fellas.[/QUOTE]Yea, I def wouldn't pay Charlee prices, but to each his own. A friend stayed here and enjoyed it. If you look at the pics it says they have jetted tubs.

[URL]http://www.hotels.com/ho535582/loyds-hotel-medellin-colombia/?PSRC=G21&dateless=true&gclid=CIeRmZ_xyMkCFQovHwodM2UKJg&locale=en_US&pos=HCOM_US&rffrid=sem.hcom.US.google.003.08.02.s.kwrd%3DZzZz.shw72634907.0.83707653989.10202me18720.d.m[/URL]

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;1810172]Yea, I def wouldn't pay Charlee prices, but to each his own. A friend stayed here and enjoyed it. If you look at the pics it says they have jetted tubs.

[URL]http://www.hotels.com/ho535582/loyds-hotel-medellin-colombia/?PSRC=G21&dateless=true&gclid=CIeRmZ_xyMkCFQovHwodM2UKJg&locale=en_US&pos=HCOM_US&rffrid=sem.hcom.US.google.003.08.02.s.kwrd%3DZzZz.shw72634907.0.83707653989.10202me18720.d.m[/URL][/QUOTE]The Charlee is the hip new hotel in Poblado so it's overpriced and probably not chica friendly. This Loyds Hotel option looks pretty interesting, $50 a night for a jacuzzi and a large bed sounds like a good deal.

Of course, the better love motels offer large jacuzzi and all other sorts of amenities at very reasonable prices, so you may not even need to stay at a high-end place in Poblado.

[QUOTE=BoredInIN;1810172]Yea, I def wouldn't pay Charlee prices, but to each his own. A friend stayed here and enjoyed it. If you look at the pics it says they have jetted tubs.

[URL]http://www.hotels.com/ho535582/loyds-hotel-medellin-colombia/?PSRC=G21&dateless=true&gclid=CIeRmZ_xyMkCFQovHwodM2UKJg&locale=en_US&pos=HCOM_US&rffrid=sem.hcom.US.google.003.08.02.s.kwrd%3DZzZz.shw72634907.0.83707653989.10202me18720.d.m[/URL][/QUOTE]There might be some info in the hotel topic. Generally it's a good idea to keep hotel questions in that chain so it is easier to search and recall the info. Just a suggestion.

The Loyds Hotel. If you book it for two people are you good to go with your amigas? The usual foto copy ID sort of thing?

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1809798]Look into a hotel named Sites. It's in Poblado and I was lodged there from 28 October to 9 November of this year. I have a review of the hotel titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" over on TripAdvisor. Sites is chica friendly and is a 7-minute walk to a nearby Exito supermarket, a 9-minute walk to the Poblado Metro station, a 10-minute walk to Parque Lleras, and a 12-minute walk to Oviedo Mall.[/QUOTE]Yeah up and down a fucking hill!!

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1809813]then back to my place. Sleep like a vampire all day. Now that I'm in my 40's, I can't really play like that anymore, LOL.[/QUOTE]Funny I said and thought that when I was in my 30's about my 20's, then 10 years later I say that I wish I had the stamina that I did in my 30's, then 10 years later I said that I wish I had the stamina that I did when I was in my 40's, now 10 years later say I wish I had the stamina that I did in my early 50's, on and on.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1810371]Yeah up and down a fucking hill!![/QUOTE]Yes, to and from Parque Lleras and Oviedo Mall. But the path to and from Exito and the Poblado Metro station is nearly flat.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1810412]Yes, to and from Parque Lleras and Oviedo Mall. But the path to and from Exito and the Poblado Metro station is nearly flat.[/QUOTE]That's true but I stopped walking that ever since these crazy fucking dogs showed up out of no where. Twice! I swear colombians and their love of dogs which they don't take care of is outstanding. EVERYONE owns a fucking dog.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1810202]The Charlee is the hip new hotel in Poblado so it's overpriced and probably not chica friendly. This Loyds Hotel option looks pretty interesting, $50 a night for a jacuzzi and a large bed sounds like a good deal.

Of course, the better love motels offer large jacuzzi and all other sorts of amenities at very reasonable prices, so you may not even need to stay at a high-end place in Poblado.[/QUOTE]The Charlee I see between 125 and 250 depending on demand. It is a big hotel and there is a sushi place on the top floor that is open some weird schedule (Wednesday, Friday, Saturday I think). You could sneak a girl in there pretty easily but you would have to sneak her.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1810821]That's true but I stopped walking that ever since these crazy fucking dogs showed up out of no where. Twice! I swear colombians and their love of dogs which they don't take care of is outstanding. EVERYONE owns a fucking dog.[/QUOTE]LOL. There was probably a heat and you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've seen packs of dogs in many countries throughout my travels, the worst being in the Corn Islands of Nicaragua. Stray dogs so thin it looked like a bunch of four-legged skeletons roaming around and puppies so hungry they were eating dry leaves. Travel, unfortunately, isn't always pretty.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1810821]That's true but I stopped walking that ever since these crazy fucking dogs showed up out of no where. Twice! I swear colombians and their love of dogs which they don't take care of is outstanding. EVERYONE owns a fucking dog.[/QUOTE]I've been walking this route for the past couple of days; no dogs in sight. Maybe the problem got somehow resolved. It's nice neighborhood stroll; peaceful and fairly flat.

Some good aspects as well. I am glad that I do not have the strong desire I used to have in 20's any more. That keeps me out of troubles, and women cannot control me much.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1810411]Funny I said and thought that when I was in my 30's about my 20's, then 10 years later I say that I wish I had the stamina that I did in my 30's, then 10 years later I said that I wish I had the stamina that I did when I was in my 40's, now 10 years later say I wish I had the stamina that I did in my early 50's, on and on.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1811029]Some good aspects as well. I am glad that I do not have the strong desire I used to have in 20's any more. That keeps me out of troubles, and women cannot control me much. .[/QUOTE]Yea, I agree with that. I used to be putty in their hands. Now I got to ration my ammunition over the course of a trip and I'm much more in control.

[QUOTE=John;1810060]I agree 100 percent. I have no problem getting dates for my self for new years eve but if some one is new in Colombia and don't know many girls then I am sure he will have a hard time finding some one during those dates compared to other normal times.

Regards,

John.[/QUOTE]I'll be here to help anyone who wants a Girlfriend during those times when its hard to find a date like Christmas eve and New Years. Another fun night at Pub Rock with a client.

Colombia Jake.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1811161]Hey Jdit!

How are you enjoying Medellin so far? Is everything better, worse, or about what you expected from my review of sites?[/QUOTE]Howdy Q!

Having a ball! I haven't had a guest over yet, but Sites Hotel is very nice; gracious staff, good bed in a nice room with kitchenette and killer view, rooftop pool and a good breakfast. Thanks for the recommendation!

Just to report, I've only been to New Life, Energy and Fase Dos so far. Sophia at New Life was great (had to go back to see her already) as was Fernanda at Fase Dos. I haven't found much luck at the other casas, yet Energy has changed a bit since my last visit. The one hour price is now 140 K. And there seems to be quite an upsell vibe, but that may be from my choice of Susanna, she's (probably 19 or 20), a beauty, lots of fun. But the upsell didn't impress me. Just had a nice regular session. I may go back. I had a water and she ordered up a couple of bottles of some mixer drink. That added 20 K to the bill, so this was part of the up charge vibe. It's all good no harm and no foul; just not the Energy I enjoyed before. Still, Energy had a nice lineup.

Hi,

This has been my first time to South America so was not sure what to expect from anything, I'm more of a Asia / Europe guy as it's quite comfortable and cheap there. I've been very pleasantly surprised here, as the girls are absolutely stunning, it's really cheap and it's a lot safer than I would have thought (I thought I would just get mugged constantly LOL) I've not felt in danger so far. Only been here for about a week and only managed to go out twice as I'm with family and both nights I went to Face dos. First was on a Friday the place was packed, so many nice girls in the club, something for every taste. Got charged 20 for entry and for the girls it was 180 k for an hour I think plus another 10 for a room on the side.

First girl I met was Pauletta, I've pretty much got no Spanish so couldn't really talk much but she was about 27 nice big fake tits and a great ass, very pretty and great body. It was just a cum once service, pretty basic, ow, cowgirl and reverse cowgirl and doggy. All quite good for the price.

2nd girl was Annabella about 26 great body a mice round ass pretty and good tits. Managed to get photos and a video for only 40 k extra. She provided a much better service, lots of kissing, ow cowgirl, missionary and doggy and had great eye contact throughout, would definitely see her again.

I tried to go again last night but selection was not so good, only a couple of decent ones who were taken. Also one thing o found weird in this club is the girls kind of stick together, they don't come up as often as they would in vive madrid or beach club in Malaysia, you have to go to talk to them otherwise it will be wasted.

Anyway thanks for the help on this forum, hopefully will go out tonight and get some more.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1811265]I'll be here to help anyone who wants a Girlfriend during those times when its hard to find a date like Christmas eve and New Years. Another fun night at Pub Rock with a client.

Colombia Jake.[/QUOTE]So does your help in setting up a girlfriend during those times require that they stay at your place?

And if not, do the girls pay you part of the money they get paid for you hooking them up?

But they have their own social codes and customs. Outsiders disrespectful of their customs may look extremely ugly and provocative at best. Taking putas out to the place where middle class families spend leisure time is not acceptable. Is it no problem in the US?
Just imagine foreigners farting and spiting in restaurants in the USA And they say it is none of your concern.
Or just imagine Chinese or Saudi Arabians coming with hookers to the restaurant when you are eating dinner with your wife and children.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1806391]That is a highly judgmental statement, on your friends part I mean.

So what if they can tell? I do it all the time and have a great time doing it. I do it because I enjoy going out, dancing, eating out and hanging out. Like all finer things in life, you have to put some thought into it and manage it. The girl and you have to dress elegantly, behave appropriately and pick the right place to go. For guys that like to take working girls out, they are saying that for them it is not just about sex. The girls I take out, you will never be able to tell they are working. However, you may be able to tell by looking at me that I must be paying her to be with me. My problem. Not hers. Ha ha.

The way I see it, and as long as she is willing and does not feel uncomfortable being seen with an older man, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks.

To quote a friend of mine who said the reason he does not take working girls out is because he calculates that for the amount of money I spend on a night out, he could have sex with her twice. A lot of guys think that way. I respect their decision. Their money and their choice.

Live and let live.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1811449]But they have their own social codes and customs. Outsiders disrespectful of their customs may look extremely ugly and provocative at best. Taking putas out to the place where middle class families spend leisure time is not acceptable. Is it no problem in the US?
Just imagine foreigners fartIng and spiting in restaurants in the USA And they say it is none of your concern.
Or just imagine chinese or saudi arabians coming with hookers to the restaurant when you are eating dinner with your wife and children..[/QUOTE]Matt.

Really depends on the guy and the girl.

Any girl that I take out looks, dresses and acts appropriately.

Hell most I have known so long and spent so much time with that I'd challenge anyone who claims she was anything other than a wife or girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Jdit;1811289]Howdy Q!

Having a ball! I haven't had a guest over yet, but Sites Hotel is very nice; gracious staff, good bed in a nice room with kitchenette and killer view, rooftop pool and a good breakfast. Thanks for the recommendation!

Just to report, I've only been to New Life, Energy and Fase Dos so far. Sophia at New Life was great (had to go back to see her already) as was Fernanda at Fase Dos. I haven't found much luck at the other casas, yet Energy has changed a bit since my last visit. The one hour price is now 140 K. And there seems to be quite an upsell vibe, but that may be from my choice of Susanna, she's (probably 19 or 20), a beauty, lots of fun. But the upsell didn't impress me. Just had a nice regular session. I may go back. I had a water and she ordered up a couple of bottles of some mixer drink. That added 20 K to the bill, so this was part of the up charge vibe. It's all good no harm and no foul; just not the Energy I enjoyed before. Still, Energy had a nice lineup.[/QUOTE]You are welcome! Glad to hear that you are enjoying Sites Hotel so far. Tell receptionist Julian that I said Hello,. He might remember me if you tell him I'm the tall American who offered to meet up with him at Barra Ejecutiva one night to chase girls this past November, LOL. Have you tried Cambalache Parrilla Argentina yet? It's a 1-minute walk from Sites and the food is excellent. Also try Ocio, La Cantine, Tal Cual, and La Provincia. You will need a taxi to reach those restaurants and the food at each one is excellent. Don't worry about making reservations, just show up around 6 pm or 7 pm. Don't forget you've got the Exito supermarket right down the street from Sites Hotel and also a Pasteur pharmacy a 1-minute walk from Exito. I don't recognize any of the chicas you've met so far. I did enjoy a gal named Sofia at Barra Ejecutiva and Cony at Fase Dos. Both were my style: early 20's, petite, bubble butts, natural tits, and smiling / friendly. And you've got one up on me, as I didn't visit Energy while in Medellin. That will have to be on the next trip to MDE. Keep having fun and hook us all up with another report if / when you can.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1811490]Matt.

Really depends on the guy and the girl.

Any girl that I take out looks, dresses and acts appropriately..[/QUOTE]Well, that begs the question-- There is this problem because most gringos think that their paid-girlfriends don't look like pros while they look so to the locals to begin with. Plus, Vitrea says that he doesn't care what others think, to which I responded. Thank you for the comment though. Also I highly value Vitrea's posts all the time.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1811414]So does your help in setting up a girlfriend during those times require that they stay at your place?

And if not, do the girls pay you part of the money they get paid for you hooking them up?[/QUOTE]The Hot Girlfriend Experience Dates are only for the guys who rent a suite, if you are staying somewhere else rent another suite here between (10 am to 5 pm) and your girlfriend experience date will arrive whichever place you want between 7 and 8 pm! Two nights, and two Girlfriend Experiences minimum. The services you render with your date are very reasonable, but extra between you and her $50 to $90 dollars give or take depending on the time usually from 1 to 5 hours.

Hey all,

I just got back from a 3 day visit to Medellin. Thanks to those who gave me some insight for my trip last week! On to business, I stayed at Art Hotel. Very good, recommended. Top location and very clean and nice. If you want to avoid noise of the nightlife music, just request a room anywhere but in the front of the hotel.

The exchange rate was terrific this week. I booked one girl from bellezaspaisas, and it was awesome GFE experience. We went to dinner, out to a club, she spend the night with me and even took me to Guape for a day trip. She was sensational and beautiful and spoke good English. Kept her for 24 hours as we agreed upon and let me say again, it was the truest form of GFE. If you shop around a bit and text and chat with some different girls, there are definitely some gold mines out there.

The second night I went to Fase 2. There has been tons of feedback on that place in this forum so I'll just confirm what everyone says, great girls selection, you'll have no problem finding something you want.

The final night, I booked a girl from angelesinfieles (Luisa) for a 90 min session to my room. This woman that came to party with was probably the most amazing woman I have ever seen, let alone party with! Wow! She was definitely more costly then the rest 350 COP, but worth every bit of it. The hotel was "kinda chica friendly", as they charge half of what ever other major hotel I called would charge. Dining and nightlife was terrific but that's a different story.

This is my first feedback post so I hope I gave you all some good info. If I can answer any questions, don't hesitate.

Darkwing

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1811550]Well, that begs the question-- There is this problem because most gringos think that their paid-girlfriends don't look like pros while they look so to the locals to begin with. Plus, Vitrea says that he doesn't care what others think, to which I responded. Thank you for the comment though. Also I highly value Vitrea's posts all the time.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't think that the problem is with the girls so much as that some gringos just look like mongers. Old, fat, bald and not exactly what I would call well dressed a lot of the time.

The girls normally blend in very well. Unless you are dealing with centro chicas that buy cheap clothes. Then yes the upper middle class and higher Colombianos can spot the cheap clothes from el centro a mile away and they will know she is poor which is basically the same or worst as being a prepago in their minds.

Thanks for all the advice here. This is a quick business trip only 2 nights. Then back to panama.

Got in from the airport, decided to stay close to a supplier of mine in the Prodo area. Bonus it is close to the casa's.

Checked in. Jumped in a cab and went right over to New Life. There was a line up of 15 or so girls. I thought two or three were good for me. The first on my list was Jessica, but the guy who walked in before me got first crack and snatched her up. But I had a great session with Melanie (I think that was her name). Nice body, natural tits, great eye contact and boy can she move. I did not ask or get BBBJ, DATY, or DFK. But the price is great and I had fun.

The place was nice for a casa. I really enjoyed the mirrors. Much better then the fish market in panama. If anyone wants to hit up a few casas tomorrow with me send me a PM.

I took a photo of the new prices if anyone is interested.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1811901]Personally I don't think that the problem is with the girls so much as that some gringos just look like mongers. Old, fat, bald and not exactly what I would call well dressed a lot of the time.

The girls normally blend in very well. Unless you are dealing with centro chicas that buy cheap clothes. Then yes the upper middle class and higher Colombianos can spot the cheap clothes from el centro a mile away and they will know she is poor which is basically the same or worst as being a prepago in their minds.[/QUOTE]Hey MG,

I heard from a friend that you were considering a face lift. Be careful my friend, you don't want to end up looking like Kenny Rogers. Hit me up sometime! Merry Christmas!

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1811901]Personally I don't think that the problem is with the girls so much as that some gringos just look like mongers. Old, fat, bald and not exactly what I would call well dressed a lot of the time.

The girls normally blend in very well. Unless you are dealing with centro chicas that buy cheap clothes. Then yes the upper middle class and higher Colombianos can spot the cheap clothes from el centro a mile away and they will know she is poor which is basically the same or worst as being a prepago in their minds.[/QUOTE]Believe what you want, but until she takes you home to meet her parents or to their favorite family restaurants where everybody knows her, she is painfully aware that it's obvious to everybody you are a john and she is a puta. Medellin is smaller and much more close knit than most people realize unless they live here for an extended period of time. Good clothes have nothing to do with it, just means she costs you more when you're paying for sex. I see hot girls in the mall all the time with their boyfriends wearing cheap Centro jeans and nobody thinks they are a puta.

The locals know more than you think, it's their culture and their city and it works this way because they set it up this way. Almost any middle aged or older gringo with a hot younger lady is already suspected of being in paid relationship, and it's 100% true when the gringo doesn't know any Spanish. Do you really think people can't figure out how this older man found his way to Medellin and into this girl's company without knowing how to communicate?

It's so obvious most can tell a monger even when he's NOT with a girl. It's best just to have fun while acknowledging it for what it is, p4p. It's not some secret only you and her have. I'm not clear what you mean by "upper middle class or higher" when referring to putas, but I think you might be getting the wrong impression here as well. The upper class, even most of the middle class would have absolutely nothing to do with prostitution so maybe its just the nice clothes that have you convinced. There are exceptions of course, but it's definitely not common that girls with any other opportunity in their lives turn to hooking in such a conservative society.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1811265]I'll be here to help anyone who wants a Girlfriend during those times when its hard to find a date like Christmas eve and New Years. [/QUOTE]I swear if life ever gets so bad I need to call Colombia Jake for a hooker on Christmas or New Years, I'll just shoot myself first!

Despite the existence of the multiple centro massage parlirs, strip clubs, swing clubs, the Mansion and SW's / Medellin and Colombia in general is a very conservative Catholic society.

In my mind, this accounts for the girls not being "forward" in approaching men in social settings and the near absence of women who LOVE sex or are into anal- unlike Brazil for example.

My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1812105]Believe what you want, but until she takes you home to meet her parents or to their favorite family restaurants where everybody knows her, she is painfully aware that it's obvious to everybody you are a john and she is a puta. Medellin is smaller and much more close knit than most people realize unless they live here for an extended period of time. Good clothes have nothing to do with it, just means she costs you more when you're paying for sex. I see hot girls in the mall all the time with their boyfriends wearing cheap Centro jeans and nobody thinks they are a puta.

The locals know more than you think, it's their culture and their city and it works this way because they set it up this way. Almost any middle aged or older gringo with a hot younger lady is already suspected of being in paid relationship, and it's 100% true when the gringo doesn't know any Spanish. Do you really think people can't figure out how this older man found his way to Medellin and into this girl's company without knowing how to communicate?

It's so obvious most can tell a monger even when he's NOT with a girl. It's best just to have fun while acknowledging it for what it is, p4p. It's not some secret only you and her have. I'm not clear what you mean by "upper middle class or higher" when referring to putas, but I think you might be getting the wrong impression here as well. The upper class, even most of the middle class would have absolutely nothing to do with prostitution so maybe its just the nice clothes that have you convinced. There are exceptions of course, but it's definitely not common that girls with any other opportunity in their lives turn to hooking in such a conservative society.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1812105]Believe what you want, but until she takes you home to meet her parents or to their favorite family restaurants where everybody knows her, she is painfully aware that it's obvious to everybody you are a john and she is a puta. Medellin is smaller and much more close knit than most people realize unless they live here for an extended period of time. Good clothes have nothing to do with it, just means she costs you more when you're paying for sex. I see hot girls in the mall all the time with their boyfriends wearing cheap Centro jeans and nobody thinks they are a puta.

The locals know more than you think, it's their culture and their city and it works this way because they set it up this way. Almost any middle aged or older gringo with a hot younger lady is already suspected of being in paid relationship, and it's 100% true when the gringo doesn't know any Spanish. Do you really think people can't figure out how this older man found his way to Medellin and into this girl's company without knowing how to communicate?

It's so obvious most can tell a monger even when he's NOT with a girl. It's best just to have fun while acknowledging it for what it is, p4p. It's not some secret only you and her have. I'm not clear what you mean by "upper middle class or higher" when referring to putas, but I think you might be getting the wrong impression here as well. The upper class, even most of the middle class would have absolutely nothing to do with prostitution so maybe its just the nice clothes that have you convinced. There are exceptions of course, but it's definitely not common that girls with any other opportunity in their lives turn to hooking in such a conservative society.[/QUOTE]I have been invited to family birthday parties and other events with the prepagos that I spend most of my time with. But that's another subject.

Seems to me that we are mostly in agreement that it is the presence of the gringos most of the time that make the women look like putas and not the women themselves if they dress accordingly.

To elaborate on the point I was making about the cheap clothes. I don't think many upper class Colombianos think much less of prepagos than poor people in general. As you pointed out ". It's definitely not common that girls with any other opportunity in their lives turn to ho".

So it is pretty obvious why upper class Colombianos think almost all poor chicas are prepagos. Especially if they are with an old fat gringo.

[QUOTE]Personally I don't think that the problem is with the girls so much as that some gringos just look like mongers. Old, fat, bald and not exactly what I would call well dressed a lot of the time.

The girls normally blend in very well. Unless you are dealing with centro chicas that buy cheap clothes. Then yes the upper middle class and higher Colombianos can spot the cheap clothes from el centro a mile away and they will know she is poor which is basically the same or worst as being a prepago in their minds.[/QUOTE]If you are concerned about "looking like a monger" or worried about whether people think you are with a hooker when you are eating out or perusing the mall. Pssss. They know. If this bothers you, check out of the Mansion / Jake frat house / Park Lleras apartment and stop banging 18-25 year old girls from Bello. Find someone about your age, learn Spanish and drop your dirt bag monger friends and make some nice friends from the tennis club up the hill. Hell, stay in Minnesota and bang 50 year old farmer women with yeast infections.

Or face the consequences, understand that everyone knows why that 22 year old hot girl is with you (except probably you) and enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1809017]It seems like you are leaning towards the Mansion or ColombianJake. I would say don't break your head. Keep it simple. The hot Colombian girls are everywhere. Since you only have 3 days, make a decision to staying with either one and enjoy those three days to the fullest. You won't go wrong by going to the Mansion or Colombianjake. The problem you have is one of limited time and too many P4P options in Medellin. Just keep it simple and make your reservation. At the mansion or Colombianjake, you will get your Colombian curves, will get the chance to explore other places, casas, night clubs, etc, and will get the guidance that you need so they are both good points to start for a newbie in Medellin.[/QUOTE]This may be true, but the problem is in lumping the two in as if they are the same. They are not. See post after post for the differences between the two places. Hint: one changes your sheets, has clean pillows, mops the floor, serves breakfast, has a reception and manager on premises, and has a bar and girls onsite. The other doesn't. One is a licensed hotel, and the other is a private apartment having "guests" over to visit him.

Both will get you laid, and since that is all the average horny guy back in the states reading this forum cares about, I guess after all they are the same.

Nevermind and carry on.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1812106]I swear if life ever gets so bad I need to call Colombia Jake for a hooker on Christmas or New Years, I'll just shoot myself first![/QUOTE]For some guy like James Dandy who has obviously been here and knows where to find hookers for an hour I'm not for you, but my clients are here for the first or second time and don't know where to go. Its not easy to get a girl to hang out with you for 4 or 5 hours if your not working with someone like me, who's makes sure the girl knows what her responsibility is and is a friend of mine! Bottom of the barrel Mongers like James Dandy are alone every night and especially holidays trust me! He thinks he's a stud because he knows he can find someone to pay for 30 minutes in a casa. Shooting yourself is a good option for these out of gas types like James Dandy!

Spend an evening with this sweetie!

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1812207]In my mind, this accounts for the girls not being "forward" in approaching men in social settings and the near absence of women who LOVE sex or are into anal- unlike Brazil for example.[/QUOTE]Seriously man. What country is this where all the women are forward and approach men in social settings? Because I have lived in USA, France, Brazil, and Thailand and have been to over 100 countries and have yet to see it. Now if you are talking from a P4 P standpoint then yes in Brazil and Dominican Republic hookers will approach you agressively in hooker dens while the ones in Colombia and Peru will be stanoffish and wait for you to choose them.

And I know many normal Colombian women who love sex and are into anal. Either you do not know any normal Colombianas or you are taking what you have experienced in the P4 P scene as real life.

On the other subject that is going around, it makes me think of the Pablo Escobar series that is on Netflix. Those guys loved hookers. Once they had a big party where they ordered up hookers from near and far. Importing chicks from Bogota and other places to Medellin. And they had a great time with the girls, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. Once the party was over they went their separate ways. And it is the same with the locals in all countries.

I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1812317]Spend an evening with this sweetie![/QUOTE]It is a good thing that the sweetie wore a shirt letting us know it was a girl, because it kinda looks like a boy. Do your thing though CJ. I will never knock another man's hustle.

I'd hit that.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1812317]For some guy like James Dandy who has obviously been here and knows where to find hookers for an hour I'm not for you, but my clients are here for the first or second time and don't know where to go. Its not easy to get a girl to hang out with you for 4 or 5 hours if your not working with someone like me, who's makes sure the girl knows what her responsibility is and is a friend of mine! Bottom of the barrel Mongers like James Dandy are alone every night and especially holidays trust me! He thinks he's a stud because he knows he can find someone to pay for 30 minutes in a casa. Shooting yourself is a good option for these out of gas types like James Dandy!

Spend an evening with this sweetie!

Colombia Jake[/QUOTE]

Familiar with Abraham Maslow's "Hierarchy of needs"?

According to his theory, sexual desire, hunger, etc are just basic, lowest desires of human being.

After these desires are fulfilled, the humans want love, ie. Loving somebody and being loved.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]

I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]...Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? [/QUOTE]I do this once in a while because it is fun. A working girl can also be a nice girl, with whom one can have a good time, eating, dancing, etc. I did that just recently in Pattaya, where I picked a chick from Airline. She was a sweet girl, spoke very little English, yet I had a great time with her outside the club. And, I have done that many times before, in many different places.

I am not sure what kind of working girls you are meeting, but I can assure you that I met many nice ones over time, well worth spending time with. I even did that in the US where I live. And, of course I do that in Medellin once in a while as well.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1812306]If you are concerned about "looking like a monger" or worried about whether people think you are with a hooker when you are eating out or perusing the mall. Pssss. They know. If this bothers you, check out of the Mansion / Jake frat house / Park Lleras apartment and stop banging 18-25 year old girls from Bello. Find someone about your age, learn Spanish and drop your dirt bag monger friends and make some nice friends from the tennis club up the hill. Hell, stay in Minnesota and bang 50 year old farmer women with yeast infections.

Or face the consequences, understand that everyone knows why that 22 year old hot girl is with you (except probably you) and enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. Sounds like you haven't seen many gringos that didn't look like a monger.

But I get the point you are trying to make. Does seem like there are a few gringos on the board that think people can tell if their date is a prepago just by looking at the girl when the truth is they are looking at the gringo and the chick is just guilty by association.

So for the guys that think it is the girl and not you. Here is a little test you can perform. If your girl won't kiss you in public. You definitely look like a monger. And if she won't let you meet her family and friends she just doesn't like you or know you well enough. Pretty simple actually.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1812105]Believe what you want, but until she takes you home to meet her parents or to their favorite family restaurants where everybody knows her, she is painfully aware that it's obvious to everybody you are a john and she is a puta. Medellin is smaller and much more close knit than most people realize unless they live here for an extended period of time. Good clothes have nothing to do with it, just means she costs you more when you're paying for sex. I see hot girls in the mall all the time with their boyfriends wearing cheap Centro jeans and nobody thinks they are a puta.

The locals know more than you think, it's their culture and their city and it works this way because they set it up this way. Almost any middle aged or older gringo with a hot younger lady is already suspected of being in paid relationship, and it's 100% true when the gringo doesn't know any Spanish. Do you really think people can't figure out how this older man found his way to Medellin and into this girl's company without knowing how to communicate?.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't take MedellinGringo's posts too seriously. I've known the guy for 20 years and he is harmless. He has always thought he was better than any other gringo when traveling to Colombia and running with the prepagos (except for a select few). He is a good guy, but something recently must have brought him down a peg or two when out on the town with his 20 old barrio girls. He told me the other day he spent 13 grand on some extensive plastic surgery. Its hard to fight father time and even the smoothest and most handsome, well dressed johns in Colombia will start getting looks from the locals sooner or later. Most will pay the looks no mind. Guys like MG take it personally and spend many sleepless nights fretting about it, then take drastic measures by going under the knife. My question is, do the barrio prepagos think he is more attractive? I doubt it. They would find him more attractive if he gave them the 13 grand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]First of all. I don't see anything about most of the prepagos that I know that would indicate they are a prepago. If you are going out and people think she is a prepago it is because you most likely look like a john. And if that is the case and it bothers you or her. You should probably spend your time in the privacy of your apartment. But it is still nice to get to know someone and enjoy someone's company outside the bedroom. Personally I think it makes the intimacy a lot better if you have some chemistry beforehand.

And lastly it doesn't cost anymore to take your prepago out other than the extra cost of drinks, dinner or movie tickets. I'm pretty sure an American hooker would be charging by the hour the whole time.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1812395]I do this once in a while because it is fun. A working girl can also be a nice girl, with whom one can have a good time, eating, dancing, etc. I did that just recently in Pattaya,
I am not sure what kind of working girls you are meeting, but I can assure you that I met many nice ones over time, well worth spending time with. I even did that in the US where I live. And, of course I do that in Medellin once in a while as well.[/QUOTE]Well I live in Pattaya so I guess I am meeting the same kind of working girls that you are. I guess that for me, when I have been to a place a couple of times I tend to develop friendships and relationships with women who are not P4 P so I have no desire to do normal things with hookers. My first times in Brazil and Thailand yes we let the working girls show us around the cities, but after that I was on to women that I did not have to pay to move up with in my heirarchy of needs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]
I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]Good point. Speaking for myself: I have only been mongering for 1 year now, and the girls I choose to hit get a fair treatment. I really treat them with the same respect and courtesy as I do with normal girls back home. Off course a lot of these working girls are in some sort of trouble and probably have a lot on their mind so I try to make the 'transaction' as smooth as possible, for the both of us. In my experience it often works in your favor if she picks up your good intentions. Depending on the level of chemistry, going to the beach, dinner, movies or club is all part of the game as far as I'm concerned, just like with normal girls. You could see it as an investment with short term high return. There's also the fact that I like to see her have a good time, as good as possible in these circumstances. There has to be give and take on both sides, nothing wrong with adding a little extra on top of regular payment.

I have no intention of overpaying the girls I pick, but in my experience this approach of treating them like normal girls helps me get the most out of my $$ when on vacation looking for pussy. As for why we don't do the same back home: I really don't see the need to monger back home as there are thousands of girls here who you know how to approach, you're in your hometown, speak the language and you know the game inside out. Mongering is for when I'm in unknown territory and picking up girls is not as easy because of language etc.

Furthermore I firmly agree with this statement:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812389]Do your thing though CJ. I will never knock another man's hustle.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1812317]For some guy like James Dandy who has obviously been here and knows where to find hookers for an hour I'm not for you, but my clients are here for the first or second time and don't know where to go. Its not easy to get a girl to hang out with you for 4 or 5 hours if your not working with someone like me, who's makes sure the girl knows what her responsibility is and is a friend of mine! Bottom of the barrel Mongers like James Dandy are alone every night and especially holidays trust me! He thinks he's a stud because he knows he can find someone to pay for 30 minutes in a casa. Shooting yourself is a good option for these out of gas types like James Dandy!

Spend an evening with this sweetie!

Colombia Jake[/QUOTE]I was referring to having to get a hooker on Christmas, and then calling her a girlfriend. It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. I didn't mention pricing, but since you brought it up.

As for the rest of your comment, I paid 120 K for 6 hour session yesterday (actually two separate 3 hour sessions with same girl, with dinner in the middle which cost 33 K), and that included anal. So I would add that your pricing is ridiculous, and I wish you'd quit openly taking advantage of guys here by suggesting they are getting a "girlfriend experience" as you set them up to walk around park Lleras with a hooker. Just be upfront and quit humping it so hard. If somebody needs your introduction to hookers then they will use your "hotel suites", but it isn't going to be any different than any other hooker "date" and it certainly isn't a girlfriend if they have to pay 300 K for a few hours to walk her around Lleras, so call it for what it is.

And I stand by my comment that nothing is more desperate than being so alone, with no girlfriend or family, on Christmas than paying Jake to call a hooker to pretend she is a girlfriend. In addition, there are not many hookers that have no place to be on Christmas (less talent available), making it one degree worse! It's not like the Christmas question and what's available hasn't been addressed a million times in the thread. Suggesting you are the only one that can get a hooker to eat a meal with a client is a joke. Even a noobie knows hookers LOVE eating at restaurants as long as they are still on the clock since it's less work for them, but that doesn't make her a girlfriend or the dinner a "date".

If you don't like it Jake, don't read it. We read your BS and advertising all the time, so I'll post my opinion when it's appropriate. Take your last jab and be done with it. It's clear you like any kind of publicity at all so I won't play into it and keep boosting your post to the top of the thread, but suffice to say any guy that spends 300K on a hooker in MDE can surely get her to go to dinner in that price as well, maybe he can even get a picture of them holding hands to brag to his friends back home!!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]

I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]There nothing wrong with taking a hooker and wine and dine her. Its your money you can do what you want. Just remember at the end of the day she is a hooker and don't every try to turn a hooker into a house wife.

Also why do you guys care if the locals think your with a hooker?. Who cares what they think, I swear people spend to much time worrying about what people think. As a man I don't give a fuck. The one who should be walking in shame is the hooker.

There more social stigma and shame for the women at the end of the day. People will more look down on a women for being a hooker, then a guy that bangs hookers.

Interesting. I have noticed that some gringos with mental or psychological problems tend to come to South American cities, including Medellin.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1812415]I wouldn't take MedellinGringo's posts too seriously. I've known the guy for 20 years and he is harmless. He has always thought he was better than any other gringo when traveling to Colombia and running with the prepagos (except for a select few). He is a good guy, but something recently must have brought him down a peg or two when out on the town with his 20 old barrio girls. He told me the other day he spent 13 grand on some extensive plastic surgery. Its hard to fight father time and even the smoothest and most handsome, well dressed johns in Colombia will start getting looks from the locals sooner or later. Most will pay the looks no mind. Guys like MG take it personally and spend many sleepless nights fretting about it, then take drastic measures by going under the knife. My question is, do the barrio prepagos think he is more attractive? I doubt it. They would find him more attractive if he gave them the 13 grand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383] I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]I am guilty as charged on that account before. I think as someone astutely mentioned Maslow's hierarchy that may have something to do with it. My preferences for LT vs ST change back and forth. I used to be all about the LT and stay several days with a girl and it was great, now more often I go for ST so I can sleep earlier and hit the gym but after that for awhile I will need a LT again to satisfy that urge.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1812415]I wouldn't take MedellinGringo's posts too seriously. I've known the guy for 20 years and he is harmless. He has always thought he was better than any other gringo when traveling to Colombia and running with the prepagos (except for a select few). He is a good guy, but something recently must have brought him down a peg or two when out on the town with his 20 old barrio girls. He told me the other day he spent 13 grand on some extensive plastic surgery. Its hard to fight father time and even the smoothest and most handsome, well dressed johns in Colombia will start getting looks from the locals sooner or later. Most will pay the looks no mind. Guys like MG take it personally and spend many sleepless nights fretting about it, then take drastic measures by going under the knife. My question is, do the barrio prepagos think he is more attractive? I doubt it. They would find him more attractive if he gave them the 13 grand.[/QUOTE]They are exotic to us, and we for them.

We are blond, +10 cm taller, blue eyes, comes from a continent like they imagine is some sort of Paradise.

Many mestizos, indians, black colombianas NEVER get the chance to rise in "socio-economic status".

Extranjeros gives the opportunity, they get the chance to leave a hopeless situation.

Barrio girls with examinas from SENA, SENSA etc. Will never get a good jobb as economists, law, etc.

There are 2-5% rich in Colombia, and they take a degree in a high class University abroad.

20% studies at EAFIT, UPB, Nacional.

50% get a mediocre examina or drop out and 25% never even start.

This change, but it is a slow process.

I have had girlfriends and prepagos since 2009. I have been out with girls on restaurants, events etc. Never noticed anything about that I was a client and she a prepago.

Colombians respect persons private spere! Which americans certainly don't do, as many Europeans.

They simply have in their culture; they don't bother others, and doesn't have to be worried about others bothering them.

That's what I love about there culture!

Medellin has 500 k females 18-35 and, only the the top 20% are 100.000 girls!

This is not Pattaya och Angeleses City or Sosua.

I spend DAYS in Laureles without seeing a gringo, and if I do, it's usually some backpackers.

Areas as Parque Lleras, San Diego etc, exists in every city, world around. But's a fraction of the total escort, P4 P, etc. That gringos are involved in.

Enjoy Medellin and Colombia.

Of course they think we are guapos; 6 feet /+180 com, bodyshape and structure are tall-thin!

Colombianas like that, they love it.

But are expected to marry a boring guy from a well-known and established family, to keep status quo; and do their part; helping with all domestic-never-ending-work.

That's the reason. They flee their duties!

PREPAGOS. Hmmm. All girls that are pretty or normal pretty has sexual services to get advantages since they are very young.

Colombia is like that. Girls are horney and having sex for money doesn't bother the majority of them.

Being alone on Holidays is a sad problems, but the other 98% of the days.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1812625]They are exotic to us, and we for them.

We are blond, +10 cm taller, blue eyes, comes from a continent like they imagine is some sort of Paradise.
[/QUOTE]Who is this WE that we are talking about?

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1812614]Interesting. I have noticed that some gringos with mental or psychological problems tend to come to South American cities, including Medellin..[/QUOTE]Well, one has to wonder about a 53 year old guy who gets zero attention from women of any age in the US, then when he goes to Colombia he is suddenly God's gift to 20 year old girls, and comes on forums like this bragging about how these girls simply love him. Then suddenly he gets spurned by one (not the first time he has crashed and burned) then takes drastic reactionary measures by undergoing a face lift. No, this is not normal behavior.

Those days are long gone in MDE. Maybe 10 years ago, if you were blond (and young, tall and good-looking) you were a curiosity for them. But this hasn't been the case for a long, long time. You might still find this if you head to a small town where there are virtually no tourists, but certainly not in MDE. Maybe go to Quibdo.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1812625]THEY ARE EXOTIC TO US, AND WE FOR THEM.

We are blond, +10 cm taller, blue eyes, comes from a continent like they imagine is some sort of Paradise.

Many mestizos, indians, black colombianas NEVER get the chance to rise in "socio-economic status".

Extranjeros gives the opportunity, they get the chance to leave a hopeless situation.

Barrio girls with examinas from SENA, SENSA etc. Will never get a good jobb as economists, law, etc.

There are 2-5% rich in Colombia, and they take a degree in a high class University abroad.

20% studies at EAFIT, UPB, Nacional.

50% get a mediocre examina or drop out and 25% never even start.

This change, but it is a slow process.

I have had girlfriends and prepagos since 2009. I have been out with girls on restaurants, events etc. Never noticed anything about that I was a client and she a prepago.

Colombians respect persons private spere! Which americans certainly don't do, as many Europeans.

They simply have in their culture; they don't bother others, and doesn't have to be worried about others bothering them.

That's what I love about there culture!

Medellin has 500 k females 18-35 and, only the the top 20% are 100.000 girls!

This is not Pattaya och Angeleses City or Sosua.

I spend DAYS in Laureles without seeing a gringo, and if I do, it's usually some backpackers.

Areas as Parque Lleras, San Diego etc, exists in every city, world around. But's a fraction of the total escort, P4 P, etc. That gringos are involved in.

Enjoy Medellin and Colombia.

Of course they think we are guapos; 6 feet /+180 com, bodyshape and structure are tall-thin!

Colombianas like that, they love it.

But are expected to marry a boring guy from a well-known and established family, to keep status quo; and do their part; helping with all domestic-never-ending-work.

That's the reason. They flee their duties!

PREPAGOS. Hmmm. All girls that are pretty or normal pretty has sexual services to get advantages since they are very young.

Colombia is like that. Girls are horney and having sex for money doesn't bother the majority of them.

Being alone on Holidays is a sad problems, but the other 98% of the days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1812700]Those days are long gone in MDE. Maybe 10 years ago, if you were blond (and young, tall and good-looking) you were a curiosity for them. But this hasn't been the case for a long, long time. You might still find this if you head to a small town where there are virtually no tourists, but certainly not in MDE. Maybe go to Quibdo.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree that just being a gringo is not enough to get a non pro in well any where other than China or Korea where that shit still plays and it's a curiosity and status thing.

Hard truth of life. Tall, blond, and Good Looking will always be in style with girls! Just like Long hair, thin body, big tits, long pretty hair, and a fat ass are always in demand.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1812409]Hmmmm. Sounds like you haven't seen many gringos that didn't look like a monger.

But I get the point you are trying to make. Does seem like there are a few gringos on the board that think people can tell if their date is a prepago just by looking at the girl when the truth is they are looking at the gringo and the chick is just guilty by association.

So for the guys that think it is the girl and not you. Here is a little test you can perform. If your girl won't kiss you in public. You definitely look like a monger. And if she won't let you meet her family and friends she just doesn't like you or know you well enough. Pretty simple actually.[/QUOTE]MG I have been doing this a long long time. Self awareness is a big asset in this game, and thinking you blend into Colombian society at age 50 out with a hot 20 year old, no matter how suave you think you are, you are mistaken. As far as how gringos look, there are guys that groom well, in shape, clothes match, speak Spanish that are still clueless on how Colombian society works. This is because we come from planet Mars compared to a society based on the socio-economic aberrations of Colombia.

Well, if restaurants are an issue there's always the movies. At least you're in a dark room where no one can see you or gossip about you because they're focused on what's on the big screen.

I think sparrow is spot on when it comes to Colombians respecting other's private lives. As long as you don't throw it in people's faces, they will notice, but probably not think much of it or comment about it.

Your social skills and appearance / grooming can also play a part.

My advice would be, once again, aprenda a hablar espanol! That way you can talk about this with your chica. Tell her you'd like to take her out sometime, but only if she's comfortable about it and in a place where she won't feel out of sorts. The two of you could probably figure something out, come to an arrangement.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1812810]MG I have been doing this a long long time. Self awareness is a big asset in this game, and thinking you blend into Colombian society at age 50 out with a hot 20 year old, no matter how suave you think you are, you are mistaken. As far as how gringos look, there are guys that groom well, in shape, clothes match, speak Spanish that are still clueless on how Colombian society works. This is because we come from planet Mars compared to a society based on the socio-economic aberrations of Colombia.[/QUOTE]This is another one of these threads that has many different faces. My life, my choice. I do not intentionally choose to snub Colombian society, but I do believe it is my right to enjoy myself while on vacation in their country. One thing I do know about Colombian society is they know how to have a good time! I would not expect them to conform to American societal norms when they visit or to blend-in. And I do not see enjoying my vacation by being sequestered in my apartment, having food delivered throughout the day. Whether one speaks the language or not, I do not think is that important. Just be respectful. Dress nice, be kind and don't be a loud drunk while out among the locals and keep the PDA's to a minimum. What the locals think about me is not my concern. They will think what they will and no matter what I do, I will NEVER blend-in. So what if I am an obvious gringo with a P4 P date. My pesos have the same value as theirs. And if my date is uncomfortable being seen with me in public, then we will stay in. But I would say 95% of my dates have no problem being seen with me in public, despite being an obvious gringo. I understand and respect that they do not wish to be seen by anyone they know, so we opt for Poblado and not Bello. Just another of the endless perspectives on this topic.

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1813009]This is another one of these threads that has many different faces. My life, my choice. I do not intentionally choose to snub Colombian society, but I do believe it is my right to enjoy myself while on vacation in their country. One thing I do know about Colombian society is they know how to have a good time! I would not expect them to conform to American societal norms when they visit or to blend-in. And I do not see enjoying my vacation by being sequestered in my apartment, having food delivered throughout the day. Whether one speaks the language or not, I do not think is that important. Just be respectful. Dress nice, be kind and don't be a loud drunk while out among the locals and keep the PDA's to a minimum. What the locals think about me is not my concern. They will think what they will and no matter what I do, I will NEVER blend-in. So what if I am an obvious gringo with a P4 P date. My pesos have the same value as theirs. And if my date is uncomfortable being seen with me in public, then we will stay in. But I would say 95% of my dates have no problem being seen with me in public, despite being an obvious gringo. I understand and respect that they do not wish to be seen by anyone they know, so we opt for Poblado and not Bello. Just another of the endless perspectives on this topic.[/QUOTE]I thank you get it. See my previous post. Thanking you are blending in is foolhardy, understanding you don't while being respectful and having fun is the key. See my previous post on this matter.

Paisas that are serious move FROM Poblado, since it's so strongly connected to Narcos other types of business that make money out of suspect "legit" business.

Sincere paisas despise many of the "newly rich" in Poblado.

I have enough friends that works public servants on high (est) level in their respective field to say that a factor that, when the next Real Estate crisis come, will hit poblado very hard.

Blonde men having Pocahontas novias. Hmmm. People, both men and women of the whole social spectre, don't mind. I would even say; they love it; they want that their pretty girls are popular among Northern men.

All societies have a natural law about age. But Anglo-Saxon have become paranoid.

Here in SA, except want to-be Big Powers Argentina / Uruguay and lately Chile, don't want to marry "rich" americans or Europeans. With 30% of Western World GNP; ask any "porteo", look at their behavior, their opinions, they still like No. 1 in the world, and their setbacks are due to US / GB conspiration.

Colombians want to export their super beautiful girls, and a girl of 23-32 marrying a man 34-54 are not controversial. He is excepted to take care of her.

Same in the informal prepago sector. Young ladies, from Estrato-13, or 4, are "allowed" to go out and have a dinner in a 4-5 restaurants without anyone bothering them in any way.

Why?

One reason; rich / influent paisa / medellin) men take their "novias" out to the same restaurants as you do.

And it is deep in Colombian culture. You respect the private sphere of other people.

If you gus think Poblado are the highest level, you are 100% wrong.

Quickly made money, maffia etc. Wns a lot of biuldings here. Prostitutes of highest level have their apartment here.

Americans, just counting $$ PAY!. They don't think!

You can have a young stunning girlfriend, if you just bother to do the work.

Latin females wants trust, Anglo-Saxon females have feminism, rights, can dress like a man, look like a non-sexual being; and they don't have to care at all.

The inventor of the female viagra PT-141 concludes that, not less than 1/3 of Western females are sexually disturbed, they show low interest in the other sex, but are instead willing to set them up, go get a good deal, at a divorce, which comes when the next victim are hooked up and prepared to "he lp her out of her miserable situation, that her husband put her in.

NO. Having anxiety over having a good looking girlfriend, novia.

Leave this forum then, it only bring BAD energy!

Look! In many Western countries, and even Argentina; the female are the older one in the couple. Not 2-4 years, but 6-15 years older. Even more.

Since lot of men never get it in their own country, they feel ashamed when offered what they really want!

Get a good-looking novia and prepagos and learn to love your right to feel good!

This was how Jackson and the other veterans started out!

Huh? What are you really trying to say?

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1813676]Huh? What are you really trying to say?[/QUOTE]I didn't want to say anything first. That was totally incoherent. A bunch of jumbled stuff all over the place. Maybe he was just brainstorming.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1813682]Maybe he was just brainstorming.[/QUOTE]Brain storm, yes.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1813676]Huh? What are you really trying to say?[/QUOTE]Is it just me but why do I understand almost everything Jack Sparrow was saying. Made a lot of sense once I read it about 4 times over.

The Tall Man.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts.

Others may be confused by the stream-of-consciousness format, but let's ignore their comments.

Paul

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1813615]Paisas that are serious move FROM Poblado, since it's so strongly connected to Narcos other types of business that make money out of suspect "legit" business.

Sincere paisas despise many of the "newly rich" in Poblado.

I have enough friends that works public servants on high (est) level in their respective field to say that a factor that, when the next Real Estate crisis come, will hit poblado very hard.

Blonde men having Pocahontas novias. Hmmm. People, both men and women of the whole social spectre, don't mind. I would even say; they love it; they want that their pretty girls are popular among Northern men.

All societies have a natural law about age. But Anglo-Saxon have become paranoid..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1812591]I was referring to having to get a hooker on Christmas, and then calling her a girlfriend. It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. I didn't mention pricing, but since you brought it up.

As for the rest of your comment, I paid 120 K for 6 hour session yesterday (actually two separate 3 hour sessions with same girl, with dinner in the middle which cost 33 K), and that included anal. So I would add that your pricing is ridiculous, and I wish you'd quit openly taking advantage of guys here by suggesting they are getting a "girlfriend experience" as you set them up to walk around park Lleras with a hooker. Just be upfront and quit humping it so hard. If somebody needs your introduction to hookers then they will use your "hotel suites", but it isn't going to be any different than any other hooker "date" and it certainly isn't a girlfriend if they have to pay 300 K for a few hours to walk her around Lleras, so call it for what it is.

And I stand by my comment that nothing is more desperate than being so alone, with no girlfriend or family, on Christmas than paying Jake to call a hooker to pretend she is a girlfriend...[/QUOTE]Lets start with the pricing which is sad that you would work a chick over for 6 hours for 120000 pesos. You may think that's cool, but your taking advantage of the girl which is garbage. Even the Mansion charges 150000 an hour so when you add 5 hours to it 300000 is not out of line. I like my girlfriends to hang out personally, I don't like seeing the girl I just banged going from one John to the next John like you experience at the Mansion but that's just me. It's mostly about sharing and I personally don't like to share my girl before or after!

There's nothing desperate about calling me because your on vacation and your here to get laid! You can be alone all you want back in the States. Your here to have fun and never let people shame you and keep you from having a good time. I'm here to help provide fun for those with little Spanish or knowledge of the landscape, we provide needed support so don't let anyone paint a picture that its easy like this guy or you will end up alone for most of your vacation. I don't do any more PR than the Mansion doe's on this site so it still comes down to do you like shooting fish in a barrel like the mansion or going out and having fun together while she shows you around town like the girls do here! The guys who start here and think its easy on their own always end up saying the best part of my vacation was when I was at Colombia Jake's! Starting Motorcycle tours around town with the extra Motorcycle I have available here, but I only offer it to guys staying here. Come experience this sweetheart below!

[QUOTE=PaulPassem;1813898]I enjoyed reading your thoughts.

Others may be confused by the stream-of-consciousness format, but let's ignore their comments.

Paul[/QUOTE]This is one grasshopper who would really like to be able to understand what the CJS is saying. Sounds like somebody who's been drinking alone and is talking to someone else who isn't there (we all do it), except that somehow he left a dictation machine on, and it posted what he said.

Just struggling to understand. And wtf is a "stream-of consciousness" format?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1813682]Maybe he was just brainstorming.[/QUOTE]That was funny! Thanks for the humor. We need that once in a while.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1813928]Lets start with the pricing which is sad that you would work a chick over for 6 hours for 120000 pesos. You may think that's cool, but your taking advantage of the girl which is garbage. Even the Mansion charges 150000 an hour so when you add 5 hours to it 300000 is not out of line. I like my girlfriends to hang out personally, I don't like seeing the girl I just banged going from one John to the next John like you experience at the Mansion but that's just me. It's mostly about sharing and I personally don't like to share my girl before or after!

There's nothing desperate about calling me because your on vacation and your here to get laid! You can be alone all you want back in the States. Your here to have fun and never let people shame you and keep you from having a good time. I'm here to help provide fun for those with little Spanish or knowledge of the landscape, we provide needed support so don't let anyone paint a picture that its easy like this guy or you will end up alone for most of your vacation. I don't do any more PR than the Mansion doe's on this site so it still comes down to do you like shooting fish in a barrel like the mansion or going out and having fun together while she shows you around town like the girls do here! The guys who start here and think its easy on their own always end up saying the best part of my vacation was when I was at Colombia Jake's! Starting Motorcycle tours around town with the extra Motorcycle I have available here, but I only offer it to guys staying here. Come experience this sweetheart below![/QUOTE]I live in Asia now but like to visit South America especially Medellin when I visit home.

I had a guy visit here in Asia a month back and a friend that I knew in the states ask me if I would show him around and vouched for the guy. He had never been here before and he was lost. I like to think I saved him time, money and mistakes while he was here. Now the question is, how much is that worth? I didn't charge him any money but would it had been worth it? I don't know but when you go to a place where a mistake could cost you big and I don"t mean money. A place like Medellin where there is real danger, maybe it's prudent to have someone with you that can show you around and keep you out of trouble.

Even with all the information on this and other boards some guys still need additional help. Shit, some won't even read the boards before they venture out.

Never stayed at Jake's but have stayed at the Mansion. I am more of a fish in a bucket kind of guy and I speak Spanish.

But if you are looking for what Jake offers, he keeps you safe so you can return home with stories to tell to your friends, perhaps he is earning his money and it's money well spent. I would rather see a friend home safe rather than him taking risk to save a few dollars.

Just one Opinion.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1814038]Even with all the information on this and other boards some guys still need additional help. Shit, some won't even read the boards before they venture out.
[/QUOTE]Charles Darwin explained this phenomenon about 155 years ago already.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1813676]Huh? What are you really trying to say?[/QUOTE]I certainly hope drugs and / or alcohol was used when writing that.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1813928]Lets start with the pricing which is sad that you would work a chick over for 6 hours for 120000 pesos. You may think that's cool, but your taking advantage of the girl which is garbage. Even the Mansion charges 150000 an hour so when you add 5 hours to it 300000 is not out of line. I like my girlfriends to hang out personally, I don't like seeing the girl I just banged going from one John to the next John like you experience at the Mansion but that's just me. It's mostly about sharing and I personally don't like to share my girl before or after!

There's nothing desperate about calling me because your on vacation and your here to get laid! You can be alone all you want back in the States. Your here to have fun and never let people shame you and keep you from having a good time. I'm here to help provide fun for those with little Spanish or knowledge of the landscape, we provide needed support so don't let anyone paint a picture that its easy like this guy or you will end up alone for most of your vacation. I don't do any more PR than the Mansion doe's on this site so it still comes down to do you like shooting fish in a barrel like the mansion or going out and having fun together while she shows you around town like the girls do here! The guys who start here and think its easy on their own always end up saying the best part of my vacation was when I was at Colombia Jake's! Starting Motorcycle tours around town with the extra Motorcycle I have available here, but I only offer it to guys staying here. Come experience this sweetheart below![/QUOTE]Let's start with English grammar-- "your here to get laid" that's you are or you're not your. Making that mistake once in your post is just a mistake doing it 4 times shows your education level.

Lets continue with-- the original poster didn't "work over" his girl for 6 hours. She elected to stay and go out to dinner and get fucked again. Not Jamesdandy's fault if the girl liked him enough to stay longer.

--The Mansion doesn't charge anything. The girls normally ask for 150 k for short time and I have never in over 100 times taking a girl short time at the Mansion seen the girl leave my room in less than 90 minutes and most times they stay two hours.

--Yes I've seen mansion girls go from guy to guy sometimes in a day but that happens maybe 5% of the time.

--Colombia can be quite easy for a newbie if they stay at the mansion and go to the strip clubs if they don't find anything they like. Hundreds of new guys with zero Spanish accomplish this every year without your hand holding.

--Why post again the same picture of the girl in a blue top? If you are such the pimp daddy down here there should be 10 pictures of 10 different girls you are offering on Christmas.

No more advertising here Jake.

It appears that many girls at casas have cold now. Before picking a girl, you may want to ask her if she has cold. Flu can ruin your entire stay in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1814076]Let's start with English grammar-- "your here to get laid" that's you are or you're not your. Making that mistake once in your post is just a mistake doing it 4 times shows your education level.

Lets continue with-- the original poster didn't "work over" his girl for 6 hours. She elected to stay and go out to dinner and get fucked again. Not Jamesdandy's fault if the girl liked him enough to stay longer.

--The Mansion doesn't charge anything. The girls normally ask for 150 k for short time and I have never in over 100 times taking a girl short time at the Mansion seen the girl leave my room in less than 90 minutes and most times they stay two hours.

--Yes I've seen mansion girls go from guy to guy sometimes in a day but that happens maybe 5% of the time.

--Colombia can be quite easy for a newbie if they stay at the mansion and go to the strip clubs if they don't find anything they like. Hundreds of new guys with zero Spanish accomplish this every year without your hand holding.

--Why post again the same picture of the girl in a blue top? If you are such the pimp daddy down here there should be 10 pictures of 10 different girls you are offering on Christmas.

No more advertising here Jake.[/QUOTE]If it bothers you that much then just put CJ on ignore? Pointing out grammar and spelling errors on an informal forum is generally frowned upon.

Your unwarranted attack, Mr. English Teacher, shows your level of class. This forum already has a moderator, and you ain't it.

I agree with Soldier no more advertising Jake except in "your" own forum.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;1814155]I agree with Soldier no more advertising Jake except in "your" own forum.[/QUOTE]IMO, many guys who want to go to MDE but have absolutely no knowledge will not go to the other sub forums when most of the traffic is here. Without his input all they will hear about for beginners is the Mansion. So, they check it out and find it's something like a 4 day min, more noisy / costly than they prefer, the girls in the pics from the monthly email advertisements aren't as young or pretty as expected, and something about a steep hill. They go to make a rez and guess what, it's booked. I was once that guy.

Fortunately for me I had already grown sick of CR and knew enough about the DR to persevere, but as others have pointed out some guys do almost zero research. I waited almost 2 yrs longer than I should have and wasted resources in the wrong place. Just saying that w / o it many guys wouldn't take that all important first leap, and isn't that what matters, regardless of the path?

Most importantly, his post are not purely advertisements, and what some of you guys are advocating is an attempt to "discourage other member from posting" which is a violation of this forum.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1814143]It appears that many girls at casas have cold now. Before picking a girl, you may want to ask her if she has cold. Flu can ruin your entire stay in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I was stupid enough not to just pay a fee, like 30-40 mil COP. She had the fly, but I attacked her anyway.

I got the fly, and pneumonia. The antibiotics helped, I took out it 4 times before finally understanding that it was not me being layz or the hot weather that caused the slow thinking and sweating. I went to UPBs doc and he gave me the strongest available antibiotics, to exclude that it was cronic. Very expensive, even though it was a copy.

After 3-4 days I was 100% again. The cheap antibiotics + painkillers, some tramadol, alcohol, had kept me going 7 weeks. But I made dizzy dizzy decisions, like going to Periera and meet an obvious barracuda. But all in all I managed well, but it could have become a lot worse.

Well, what I can I say. If a girl is supersexy, you must hold back, excuse yourself and look up another one. I love DATY and BBBJ so for me, and many of you are as crazy as I'm.

Be careful, have contact with a serious medic.

If you are in MDE for 2 weeks and have a big budget, wanting to fulfill your erotic dreams.

You will be satisfied 100% in the end. But apart from STD, pass, if the girl shows even the smallest signs of "gripa", fly.

Antibiotics helps, but it takes 2-4 days before you are fully aware of being infected.

Ask for a Killer AntiBiotic as soon as possible.

I took painkillers and tramadol, so I felt well, but I was slow, stupid, unaware.

Tramadol kills libido since it's relaxes the muscles, even the penis.

I was in MDE close to a half a year 2014, but if you want to turbo-vacation for a fortnight, you must have a plan for what to do being infected by the fly, "gripa".

The risk is in general small if you use alcohol-based antibacterial gel, shower and clean both of you. Make it a premium rule!

P.S. I will re-write my latest report. It was good, but, as I understand, somewhat confusing.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1814206]You will be satisfied 100% in the end. But apart from STD, pass, if the girl shows even the smallest signs of "gripa", fly.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear you got sick. Don't they have flu shots available from where you're from? I always get one each year when the season comes.

Shot or no, I avoid sessioning with any chica that's obviously sick, even just an occasional cough or sniffle is a bad sign. The antibacterial gels you mention are a necessity even though many now say overuse of them has made us more vulnerable to the "super bugs." I think given our activities, it's best to use the gel.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1814177]Imo, many guys who want to go to MDE but have absolutely no knowledge[/QUOTE]Begs the question, why would they want to go if they have no knowledge? Usually you would want to go somewhere because of some type of knowledge/info you have obtained about the place. For example I had knowledge that Egypt had pyramids and mummies. I wanted to see pyramids and mummies. I PLANNED (I didn't just pop in hoping someone would be there to point me in the right direction) a trip to Egypt.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1814177]Fortunately for me I had already grown sick of CR and knew enough about the DR to persevere, but as others have pointed out some guys do almost zero research. I waited almost 2 yrs longer than I should have and wasted resources in the wrong place. Just saying that w / o it many guys wouldn't take that all important first leap, and isn't that what matters, regardless of the path?[/QUOTE]It serves them right if they don't research a place they plan on visiting. Only a fool would show up somewhere with no idea what there is to see and do. There is a saying about failing to plan means planning to fail. I find it hard to believe that there are guys out there who are just waiting on an invite/advertisement from CJ before they finally get serious about their plans to go to Medellin.

1. If the girls are "obviously" sick in the presentation and therefore you can successfully avoid them, there would not have been this problem in the first place. Just ask the girl if she has gripa. She is least likely to lie to you, but if she lies to you and coughs in the room, you can ask mamasan for another girl.

2. Flu is caused by virus, not bacteria. Antibacterial things don't have any impact.

3. As we all know, flu shots are effective, but the effect is limited when the flu virus is rampant.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1814229]Sorry to hear you got sick. Don't they have flu shots available from where you're from? I always get one each year when the season comes.

Shot or no, I avoid sessioning with any chica that's obviously sick, even just an occasional cough or sniffle is a bad sign. The antibacterial gels you mention are a necessity even though many now say overuse of them has made us more vulnerable to the "super bugs." I think given our activities, it's best to use the gel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1814177]Most importantly, his post are not purely advertisements, and what some of you guys are advocating is an attempt to "discourage other member from posting" which is a violation of this forum.[/QUOTE]Yes they are pure ads. Just his poor writing makes his posts looking like something else. He has his own thread and should use it for his business.

I am not attacking his business. Where there is a demand, there will be a supply. As long as there are unskilled, unknowledgeable people, there will be business like his or Mansion. Just use his thRead.

Gentlemen,

I've been looking at accommodation near Parque Lleras, mostly because we're thinking of staying close to the nightlife and within a fair distance of clubs and casas.
Looking at this map (thanks for the great resource) I see a high concentration of clubs / casas more to the north of Lleras, near Parque Bolivar.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ptab=2&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&ie=UTF8&mid=zzgTRtD9VTmQ.kn7YEgWmCD9E[/URL]

I read that taxi's are cheap so it wouldn't be a problem to take a cab everyday a week long when going to the casas. But just wondering, is the area near Parque Bolivar a good place to stay? Are there bars there like at Lleras and how's the safety situation around the Parque Bolivar area?

Thanks.

You do not want to stay around Bolivar. Stay at Lleras and take taxi to El Centro.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1814325]Gentlemen,

I've been looking at accommodation near Parque Lleras, mostly because we're thinking of staying close to the nightlife and within a fair distance of clubs and casas.
Looking at this map (thanks for the great resource) I see a high concentration of clubs / casas more to the north of Lleras, near Parque Bolivar.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ptab=2&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&ie=UTF8&mid=zzgTRtD9VTmQ.kn7YEgWmCD9E[/URL]

I read that taxi's are cheap so it wouldn't be a problem to take a cab everyday a week long when going to the casas. But just wondering, is the area near Parque Bolivar a good place to stay? Are there bars there like at Lleras and how's the safety situation around the Parque Bolivar area?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1814308]Begs the question, why would they want to go if they have no knowledge? Usually you would want to go somewhere because of some type of knowledge/info you have obtained about the place. For example I had knowledge that Egypt had pyramids and mummies. I wanted to see pyramids and mummies. I PLANNED (I didn't just pop in hoping someone would be there to point me in the right direction) a trip to Egypt.[/QUOTE]No it doesn't, when I first came to this forum the only information I had was that it was supposed to be better than everywhere else in this hemisphere. Everybody has to start somewhere. Or maybe I should have said "very little knowledge" Either way, you're just trying to split hairs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1814308]There is a saying about failing to plan means planning to fail. I find it hard to believe that there are guys out there who are just waiting on an invite/advertisement from CJ before they finally get serious about their plans to go to Medellin.[/QUOTE]Agree about failing to plan equals planning to fail. But now your twisting my words around, that isn't what was saying at all and you know it.

Again, if Jake's post bother you guys that much, why not just put him on ignore instead of bitching about it like a bunch of junior high school girls in a clique.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1814319]1. If the girls are "obviously" sick in the presentation and therefore you can successfully avoid them, there would not have been this problem in the first place. Just ask the girl if she has gripa. She is least likely to lie to you, but if she lies to you and coughS in the room, you can ask mamasan for another girl.

2. Flu is caused by virus, not bacteria. Antibacterial things don't have any impact.

3. As we all know, flu shots are effective, but the effect is limited when the flu virus is rampant.[/QUOTE]This, when you have a non-viral infection antibiotics begin to provide relief in hours or minutes. Recently had a TMJ or something over the weekend and jaw swole like it was broken. Had some ciphro left over from a pharmacia in CR for UTI. Within a couple of hours things started to improve, otherwise I would have been visiting the ER. One good reason to stock up on antibiotics when in MDE.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1814331]You do not want to stay around Bolivar. Stay at Lleras and take taxi to El Centro.
.[/QUOTE]Thank you Matt. I actually thought that Lleras [I]is[/I] Centro, getting there.

As for the Colombia Jake discussion: it's best to drop that topic and let the mods handle it if they think it needs handling. N00BS will be able to make up their own mind when it comes to attacking MDE under the guidance of CJ or go in solo. By the looks of it I'll be going without CJ's help, but to each his own. I do see why especially first timers would choose to use his services. And I personally don't see anything wrong with his work and him chiming in every now and then in this thread, so I think some of you should stop busting his balls or just push the ignore button like Mr. Adventure suggested. There are far more interesting things about MDE to talk about. This thread is actually full of side-tracking and off topic talk. A little bit of off topic is ok, but maybe we should try to keep it to a minimum.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1814395]No it doesn't, when I first came to this forum the only information I had was that it was supposed to be better than everywhere else in this hemisphere. Everybody has to start somewhere. Or maybe I should have said "very little knowledge" Either way, you're just trying to split hairs.

Agree about failing to plan equals planning to fail. But now your twisting my words around, that isn't what was saying at all and you know it.

Again, if Jake's post bother you guys that much, why not just put him on ignore instead of bitching about it like a bunch of junior high school girls in a clique.[/QUOTE]Or you could take your own advice and ignore posts you don't like? While Mr Enternational has thousands of posts and many which I find myself nodding in agreement with, you seem to do nothing but police the forum. As far as Jake, he has a thread all his own where he can advertise and that is the point many have brought up. Personally, I don't care that he advertises, just the manner in which he does it, as if nobody can buy a hooker a meal (and for 1/3 the cost). LOL.

And NO, it is not our duty or desire to help the other fools you mention that don't have enough time to read the forum in order to help themselves. These same guys will never lift a finger to make a post of something useful, so they shouldn't expect anything, and you shouldn't be telling the regular posters how they're coming up short by having conversation here. I seem to recall most of your posts being argumentative and / or confrontational, so where is the help in that?

Has it dawned on you that comments like mine the other day might actually be intended to help somebody with facts, while Jake's are only shameless advertising and "all your wildest dreams will come true" type BS?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]

I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]You can have some great times with these girls on a "date". If you are alone in another country and can hang out with a fun and sexy girl for not much money. Why WOULDN'T you? Of COURSE if you are at home you will not be hanging out with hookers. First, for me in the US they would charge you like 200 bucks / hour. Second, I would not want to be seen with a hooker at home. Why do you ask such a question?? Seems kinda obvious.

A good evening to you fine gentlemen. First, I wanted to thank everyone here who shared valuable knowledge. I wanted to share my experiences during this rookie visit.

I'm posting from my private apartment at the moment in Parque Lleras and couldn't be happier w / the location and my stay in general.

*Disclosure* - I took a 3-night trip here to Medellin largely to partake in the beautiful women. But also just to explore the city / restaurants / scenery. This is a stunning city and I've fallen in love with it. The dollar is strong, the people are very nice / fair (fair in terms of business dealings) - and the women are unparalleled.

Places I highly recommend:

Fase Dios: 2-3 miles from Parque Lleras (10,000 cab ride) This is my favorite place here. 10,000 entry fee It's unlike anything I've seen in the world and the women are stunningly beautiful. I love strip clubs and this is a genuine strip club (not a brothel) - and it features women who can really dance and showcase their sensuality on a world-class stage. As a strip club aficionado. I feel that a woman's stage show can say a lot about how she'll be in bed. And this was definitely the case here. If you take the chicas to "private rooms" - it's about $180,000-$200,000. Very clean facility next door (south beach hostel / hotel) - and the club has something for everyone. You won't regret. I saw a handful of 9's & 10's.

La Isla: (10-20 minute drive from Parque Lleras (12,000 cab ride) - this is a popular club here. It's more of a showy club and very comfortable seating / open warehouse space. Very beautiful women and welcoming hosts. 10,000 entry fee. You can take chicas to private rooms here as well. Quoted at 200,000 per hour. I'd say the quality was slightly better than Fase Dios but not by much.

Energy Massage: This is a bit further out and a longer cab drive from Parque Lleras but a nice way to see Medellin. And it's a brothel. But very sophisticated and well done. It's a nondescript building. No sign. And you walk in and sit down while the hostess calls in all the women available. About 30 women came in and introduced themselves to me and many were quite beautiful. 140,000 per hour.

Note: my Spanish is pretty poor. But don't let that dissuade you. Try to speak it and use google translate (LOL) on your phone. I will be learning more Spanish as it certainly is much more fun if you can speak in detailed conversation with the ladies. And they are everywhere. The coffee house scene is awesome. Restaurants fabulous. And Medellin has a golden place in my heart.

I went to some other spots but can't say I recommend them as much as the aforementioned three.

As for Colombia Jake. I did get in touch w / him and he offered to take me around on a night-tour for $75/ hour. Which seemed like a fair deal. But I felt like I already knew the main spots and he tried to upsell me a bit saying it would be another $25 after we agreed on $75- so I opted out. Seems like a very nice guy and it's a good service for those who are a bit spooked and out of their element- but I found it fun to explore Medellin on my own.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1814427]Or you could take your own advice and ignore posts you don't like? While Mr Enternational has thousands of posts and many which I find myself nodding in agreement with, you seem to do nothing but police the forum. As far as Jake, he has a thread all his own where he can advertise and that is the point many have brought up. Personally, I don't care that he advertises, just the manner in which he does it, as if nobody can buy a hooker a meal (and for 1/3 the cost). LOL.

And NO, it is not our duty or desire to help the other fools you mention that don't have enough time to read the forum in order to help themselves. These same guys will never lift a finger to make a post of something useful, so they shouldn't expect anything, and you shouldn't be telling the regular posters how they're coming up short by having conversation here. I seem to recall most of your posts being argumentative and / or confrontational, so where is the help in that?

Has it dawned on you that comments like mine the other day might actually be intended to help somebody with facts, while Jake's are only shameless advertising and "all your wildest dreams will come true" type BS?[/QUOTE]So James Dandy logic says that having a higher post count automatically make that person right and the person with fewer posts wrong. Especially if that person has been given the official James Dandy nod of approval.

And just how does one with zero experience in MDE and no Spanish accomplish that w / o Jake or I presume the Mansion? I paid my dates 170-190 mil, plus $25 for his mamasan duties (stayed there) plus advice on what to pay, for less than $100 total. Most of Jake's girls that I saw were above and beyond anything personality wise that I had encountered before, they spoke english and really carried the evening-great work ethic, so to minimize a guy's experience your comment really isn't accurate nor fair. I don't think anyone seriously think's of these girls as a GF, but a GFE that's a different story.

That is pretty funny though, saying that pretty much any guy can have the same experience for less than $34. I need you to show me that trick, LOL.

I would rather not argue however I will always defend my position. Based on firsthand experience with Jake's girls, I think that you were expressing a different opinion than Jake's and that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I also think the last post by Dellotoro was a great one, we need to focus on the more interesting things.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]

I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]Imo, I think we are trying to recapture something that we either lost or never had, that is to fill a void. That void like all addictions is emotion driven. Our emotions do not differentiate between feelings that are valid as in a normal relationship, and the p4 p type GFE. The experience feels the same to us or both on a physical and emotional level.

We step on the slippery slope when we allow ourselves to buy into this delusion. We know better but just can't seem to be able to stop ourselves. We're no smarter than a fish that keeps getting hooked on the same artificial lure.

[B]ThadMax[/B]: thank you for that good and encouraging report. This fuels my hunger for MDE even more. Care to share more information about the apartment you used?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383] How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]I never felt the wish to take out a hooker to dinner in USA or Europe. But I often wish that in Colombia or SE Asia.

Women here are super. Not only physically. That's the point. Another planet.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1814486]A good evening to you fine gentlemen. First, I wanted to thank everyone here who shared valuable knowledge. I wanted to share my experiences during this rookie visit.

I'm posting from my private apartment at the moment in Parque Lleras and couldn't be happier w / the location and my stay in general.

*Disclosure* - I took a 3-night trip here to Medellin largely to partake in the beautiful women. But also just to explore the city / restaurants / scenery. This is a stunning city and I've fallen in love with it. The dollar is strong, the people are very nice / fair (fair in terms of business dealings) - and the women are unparalleled.

Places I highly recommend:

Fase Dios: 2-3 miles from Parque Lleras (10,000 cab ride) This is my favorite place here. 10,000 entry fee It's unlike anything I've seen in the world and the women are stunningly beautiful. I love strip clubs and this is a genuine strip club (not a brothel) - and it features women who can really dance and showcase their sensuality on a world-class stage. As a strip club aficionado. I feel that a woman's stage show can say a lot about how she'll be in bed. And this was definitely the case here. If you take the chicas to "private rooms" - it's about $180,000-$200,000. Very clean facility next door (south beach hostel / hotel) - and the club has something for everyone. You won't regret. I saw a handful of 9's & 10's..[/QUOTE]Great first post! And you only had 3 days but I must say you packed some fun into that short period.

Oh and we must tell you as we say to other first timers. You will be back!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1814486]A good evening to you fine gentlemen. First, I wanted to thank everyone here who shared valuable knowledge. I wanted to share my experiences during this rookie visit.

I'm posting from my private apartment at the moment in Parque Lleras and couldn't be happier w / the location and my stay in general.

*Disclosure* - I took a 3-night trip here to Medellin largely to partake in the beautiful women. But also just to explore the city / restaurants / scenery. This is a stunning city and I've fallen in love with it. The dollar is strong, the people are very nice / fair (fair in terms of business dealings) - and the women are unparalleled.

Places I highly recommend:

Fase Dios: 2-3 miles from Parque Lleras (10,000 cab ride) This is my favorite place here. 10,000 entry fee It's unlike anything I've seen in the world and the women are stunningly beautiful. I love strip clubs and this is a genuine strip club (not a brothel) - and it features women who can really dance and showcase their sensuality on a world-class stage. As a strip club aficionado. I feel that a woman's stage show can say a lot about how she'll be in bed. And this was definitely the case here. If you take the chicas to "private rooms" - it's about $180,000-$200,000. Very clean facility next door (south beach hostel / hotel) - and the club has something for everyone. You won't regret. I saw a handful of 9's & 10's..[/QUOTE]Excellent report. This is exactly the type of information that needs to be posted more often on ISG. No doubt that it'll be helpful to lurking mongers who read this thread daily in preparation for their trips to MDE. Your comments about Colombia Jake are particularly interesting. What kind of tour was offered for $75 an hour? And what was the basis / reason for suddenly wanting to increase the fee to $100 an hour? Getting into the specifics will be helpful to mongers as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1812383]
I just can't figure out the gringo deal though. And I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. Why do we go to other countries and want to "date" the hookers? Take them to dinner, dancing, site seeing with us? And it really trips me out even more when I think would we even do this where we are from? I don't think so. How many guys here when back home order up a hooker and take her to dinner and dancing without giving a damn about what others think? Usually you fuck and send her on her way, not wanting to bring any unnecessary attention and maybe even being ashamed to be seen with a hooker. So why is it that when we go to a different country the conventional john-hooker relationship dynamic goes out the window for us?[/QUOTE]My reasoning is that I usually travel to MDE solo. Mostly I do this due to my unpredictable calendar (last minute trips), but I also travel there under the radar. Having a beautiful and sexy companion who I also enjoy as a person to share dinner and drinks with is a nice way to spend an evening. Sure beats eating and drinking alone. I have very few amigas who spend only an hour or two with me. I would say that most tend to spend the entire day or evening with me. But when my faves only have an hour or two to spend with me, I usually try to fit in something new, short-time.

I have no plans to bring one of them home to meet Mother, anytime soon. But I have met several that have provided many memorable moments exploring and exposing me to the real Medellin or a fantastic weekend party night on the town! Guess that is what I am paying for, with the other adult benefits on the side. Going on 58 years old, I just do not have the energy I did of 20 years ago to sport-f**k. LOL. Just another example of how we all "roll" differently!

I come back from New Life. Thank you for the information in the forum about, it was quite enjoyable. No rip-off and nearly GFS, will go back again.

As I am living in country much more dangerous than this one I feel very safe.

Will try Aiffe later or tomorrow.

If there is anybody who wants to meet in the night for a beer or strip bar pm me.

DD

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1814676]My reasoning is that I usually travel to MDE solo. Mostly I do this due to my unpredictable calendar (last minute trips), but I also travel there under the radar. Having a beautiful and sexy companion who I also enjoy as a person to share dinner and drinks with is a nice way to spend an evening. Sure beats eating and drinking alone. I have very few amigas who spend only an hour or two with me. I would say that most tend to spend the entire day or evening with me. But when my faves only have an hour or two to spend with me, I usually try to fit in something new, short-time.

I have no plans to bring one of them home to meet Mother, anytime soon. But I have met several that have provided many memorable moments exploring and exposing me to the real Medellin or a fantastic weekend party night on the town! Guess that is what I am paying for, with the other adult benefits on the side. Going on 58 years old, I just do not have the energy I did of 20 years ago to sport-f**k. LOL. Just another example of how we all "roll" differently![/QUOTE]Pushing 60 myself I feel you. I have no need or drive to sport fuck anymore. I am getting to the point where I love the scent of a woman who is lying next to me and then to fuck is the topping.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1814518][B]ThadMax[/B]: thank you for that good and encouraging report. This fuels my hunger for MDE even more. Care to share more information about the apartment you used?[/QUOTE]Sure. I used an airbnb option and was very happy with it. Google "theapartmentmedellin" and you will see the website pop up. A lot of these listings are on airbnb and here's why I recommend:

-The host speaks English and is very responsive.

-I coordinated airport pickup / drop off for a reasonable fee. And it was well worth it as a very nice gent picked me up in international arrivals holding my name with a sign. And whisked me away to Medellin directly to my apartment.

-you can take chicas up to the private apartments with no hassle from hotel / reception staff.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1814605]Excellent report. This is exactly the type of information that needs to be posted more often on ISG. No doubt that it'll be helpful to lurking mongers who read this thread daily in preparation for their trips to MDE. Your comments about Colombia Jake are particularly interesting. What kind of tour was offered for $75 an hour? And what was the basis / reason for suddenly wanting to increase the fee to $100 an hour? Getting into the specifics will be helpful to mongers as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I felt it important to share the knowledge as it helped me (even though I had to sift through a lot of snark / pointless arguments on this board to get to the gold LOL) - I really would love if this board was more friendly / informative. And I want to do my best to help fellow rookies out as Medellin is a gem and a place that every man should experience at least once in my opinion.

As for Colombia Jake. I actually want to say that I found him to be very respectful and a very nice guy. I just wasn't convinced the service was for me. He offered $75 for a 'night tour' which would last approximately from 7:30-12 am -- the additional $25/ hour was justified as an additional to fee to ride on the back of his bike with him through the city. I'm sure it would've been a fun time. But because I did my homework prior to coming. I was quite certain that I had already identified the golden locations throughout the city.

All this being said. I think Colombian Jake's service is reasonable for those who don't want to have to worry about coordinating any logistics and just want to be led by an experienced veteran (which I'm sure he is).

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1814486]As for Colombia Jake. I did get in touch w / him and he offered to take me around on a night-tour for $75/ hour. Which seemed like a fair deal. But I felt like I already knew the main spots and he tried to upsell me a bit saying it would be another $25 after we agreed on $75- so I opted out. Seems like a very nice guy and it's a good service for those who are a bit spooked and out of their element- but I found it fun to explore Medellin on my own.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report. That is about 330 k peso per hour. It would be around 1000k peso for a 3 hour guide. That is an unreasonably high rate. It is the monthly income for blue collar workers in Colombia. Some gringos here will do it for you for free. Just print my casa map and show it to the taxi driver. Jake uses my map, he does not have any additional info. You are sane to reject his offer.

Mr. Adventure, please do not respond to this post. Have a good day.

OK gents -- I am now back in the USA After an absolutely epic first experience in Medellin. And I will be back.

I won't repeat the information from my last post but will add on some new information (this is particularly useful for rookies / first-timers / those thinking of planning a trip but a bit unsure).

1.) Go. Just book the trip and go. The dollar is at an all-time high right now and you get an unbelievable value in Medellin at the moment -- from hotel rates, to dinner prices, to accommodations. To taxi fares. Can't speak Spanish? Learn a few basic phrases and have google translate available. Do not create excuses why you can't go. Just do it. The only reason I wouldn't recommend going is if you are easily spooked and not adventurous at all. I traveled to Medellin by myself with no prior experience in South America. And I found Medellin to be safer than many USA Cities.

2.) While I did travel solo. I met up with many travelers throughout my stay. Both in Parque Lieras and in the clubs -- I'm very outgoing so it was easy for me to make friends, and while I do like to travel solo and under the radar. I also love to "monger" with like-minded friends. But the reason I usually steer clear of such groups is because I generally need a certain level of sophistication from comrades when I partake in a foreign country / culture. Meaning: I don't like loud, obnoxious Americans who are drunk and drawing attention. I like people who are respectful, take care in their own appearance / presentation. And respect the local culture. But that's besides the point.

3.) Additional information from my previous 1st post. So my top 3 spots are: La Isla (strip club); Fase Dos (strip club); Energy (brothel / massage) -- I already posted about these spots so I will share some new information on other spots I went to:

Barra Ejecutiva: interesting, local spot. Def not a lot of tourists venture out here -- I found the quality of women to be lower here. But still very beautiful and very much a place for Colombian locals. Club was not as clean and upscale as the aforementioned. But for the right guy they may love it. I didn't partake in any chicas here.

New Life: Very fun / cool place. Didn't partake in any chicas here either but I was pressed for time as this was my last visit.

Luna Luneras: (strip club) - another more local spot. Women were more on the average side (may have been an off night) - but very much worth a trip just for contrast purposes.

A fellow board member here recommended an agency by the name of angelasinfieres -- and I also recommend. I used this service one night to bring a mamacita to my apartment and it was very pleased -- Luisa is her name- highly recommend. I wanted to try this for contrast purposes to see the quality versus the clubs.

Price list:

La Isla: private room- 1 hour- 250,000-300,000 (most expensive strip club but still a BARGAIN for the American).

Fase Dos: private room- 1 hour- 180,000-200,000.

Barra Ejecutiva: 1 hour 80,000.

Energy: 1 hour 120,000-140,000.

Angelasinfieres (agency): 1 hour 350,000.

Luna Luneras: 1 hour 100,000.

*Note* prices may vary and you can negotiate. But I didn't really try to because I was happy to add to the local economy as these prices are more than fair to me traveling from America where these costs are basically what a lap dance would cost in a USA Strip club.

I hope I've been helpful and I thank everyone for their information / knowledge. Let me know if you have any questions.

Also: I'm planning a return trip in 2016 - would be glad to coordinate with rookies or anyone interested in meeting in MDE.

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1814676]My reasoning is that I usually travel to MDE solo. Mostly I do this due to my unpredictable calendar (last minute trips), but I also travel there under the radar. Having a beautiful and sexy companion who I also enjoy as a person to share dinner and drinks with is a nice way to spend an evening. Sure beats eating and drinking alone.![/QUOTE]Yeah but it ain't real. She is there for the money and the food. She doesn't give one fuck about you just your wallet so what's the point.

ThadMax: Thank you for adding such useful information. 2016 will also mark my first visit to Colombia, and for a first-timer these types of reports in combination with the MDE-map are very helpful.

- Did you also manage to hook up with non-working girls?
- At what time does the action slow down / do the bars and cafe's close around Lleras?

ps: You mentioned an agency you used, you probably mean: angelesinfieles.

I want visit Medellin as part of my south American trip.

Want to stay there for 3 to 5 days.

I did RTFF but still confused about where to stay, I have following option.

1 . Stay all 4 days at mansion.

2 Stay all 4 days at Colombia jake (I didn't like its accommodation facilities).

3 Stay in apartment and acquire Colombia jake GFE dates.

4 Stay in Mansion and acquire Colombia jake facilities (can I take Colombia jake GF date to mansion).

[QUOTE=GaryGroundwork;1815164]Yeah but it ain't real. She is there for the money and the food. She doesn't give one fuck about you just your wallet so what's the point.[/QUOTE]This is probably true if you are on vacation and especially true if you are of the ilk to frequent cases exclusively. If you frequent an area for a while you have the chance to build friendships with some of the girls and if you are a decent looking fella with good hygiene and the ability to make girls laugh or talk about things that are of their interest, going out with you can be fun and the girls will occasionally, if temporarily, fall for you. Some guys have a perspective issue, the girls are either all good or all bad, or they are innocents that must support their family or hardened money grubbing workers, or that they hate you or love gringos because they hate the guys where they live, or that all x women are a certain way or that all girls from x country are working girls. None of this is true, these girls are people and have the uncanny ability to like or dislike you based on factors other than money.

This is where traveling gets real good. A handful of the guys I know understand this well that frequent this forum, Ricker being a good example. There are many more who have left these forums for good or that never have found value in them that play in this arena. Many others never get it and really aren't doing much more than the guys who frequent Asian massage parlor a back in the USA.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1815144]As for Colombia Jake. I actually want to say that I found him to be very respectful and a very nice guy. I just wasn't convinced the service was for me. He offered $75 for a 'night tour' which would last approximately from 7:30-12 am -- the additional $25/ hour was justified as an additional to fee to ride on the back of his bike with him through the city. I'm sure it would've been a fun time. But because I did my homework prior to coming. I was quite certain that I had already identified the golden locations throughout the city.

All this being said. I think Colombian Jake's service is reasonable for those who don't want to have to worry about coordinating any logistics and just want to be led by an experienced veteran (which I'm sure he is).[/QUOTE]Have you went on any other City / History Tours? I would like to experience a city in a similar fashion, a mix of mongering and Tourism.

For newbies,

Map here: [URL]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&authuser=0&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4[/URL].

If you have only one or two days, go to Energy (120 k h) and New Life (75 k h).

If you would like to spend a more time to look around cheaper casas, visit Zandaly, Chicas Punto, Aiffe, Sexi Fantasia 2, and Club de Amigas Sexi (40 k hh. 60 h). The rooms are not clean though.

Just write down the address of casas on a piece of paper and show it to the taxi driver.

Great thanks to WT69's info and collaboration.

Mr. Adventure, please do not respond to this post.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;1815144]Thanks. I felt it important to share the knowledge as it helped me (even though I had to sift through a lot of snark / pointless arguments on this board to get to the gold LOL) - I really would love if this board was more friendly / informative. And I want to do my best to help fellow rookies out as Medellin is a gem and a place that every man should experience at least once in my opinion.

As for Colombia Jake. I actually want to say that I found him to be very respectful and a very nice guy. I just wasn't convinced the service was for me. He offered $75 for a 'night tour' which would last approximately from 7:30-12 am -- the additional $25/ hour was justified as an additional to fee to ride on the back of his bike with him through the city. I'm sure it would've been a fun time. But because I did my homework prior to coming. I was quite certain that I had already identified the golden locations throughout the city.

All this being said. I think Colombian Jake's service is reasonable for those who don't want to have to worry about coordinating any logistics and just want to be led by an experienced veteran (which I'm sure he is).[/QUOTE]Now that he has an extra moto I had thought about the day tour. In the interests of accuracy, think that Member #4394 must have misunderstood the pricing. A night tour for $100 USD is around 330 k COP, not the 1000 k COP that he had stated. Huge difference.

[QUOTE=Cheema;1815283]I did RTFF but still confused about where to stay, I have following option.

1 . Stay all 4 days at mansion.

2 Stay all 4 days at Colombia jake (I didn't like its accommodation facilities).

3 Stay in apartment and acquire Colombia jake GFE dates.

4 Stay in Mansion and acquire Colombia jake facilities (can I take Colombia jake GF date to mansion).[/QUOTE]I think last week CJ said that you have to stay at his place in order for him to fix you up with a girl. How does this work anyway? Do you just show up and then are given a blind date that you may or may not have chemistry with? I have never done mongering that way nor ordering up from an add or something I have seen on the internet. Part of the fun for me is having a bunch of live girls to choose from, whether in a casa or disco setting. I don't have a problem finding a normal woman to fuck, go to dinner, movie, or dancing with on my own.

1) You are hurting, rather than helping, his business because you appear to be an alias or affiliate of Jake and your very unique writing is making him looking bogus.

2) you are creating and increasing enemies of Jake, thereby increasing the insecurity of Jake. His web site and his home address are public.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1815555]I have no affiliation with Jake, My writing style is my own. I do have first hand experience doing business with Jake and at no time did I ever feel I was done wrong. Believe me, if he had I would say so.

Mattpsyche has problems keeping the facts straight. In every case his low-life friends attacked me first, simply for offering a different opinion, half the time the issue had nothing to do with Jake (ie the biggest issue was in regards to posting unauthorized pics).

If this wasn't the case the mods would have banned me long ago, they know it takes two or more people to have an argument. (ie One guy was so low class that he attacked Jake's education level because of his less than great writing. He actually began to give Jake an lecture. What I would really like to see is that guy TRY and ATTEMPT to give that same lecture to Jake's face.).

Clearly there is a little clique here. These guys have a grudge and just can't stand it when someone disagrees with them. Despite what they say, they're not really trying to help new guys, as much as they are trying to hurt or silence someone who isn't in their clique.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GaryGroundwork;1815164]Yeah but it ain't real. She is there for the money and the food. She doesn't give one fuck about you just your wallet so what's the point.[/QUOTE]By that logic, the sex isn't "real" either. She's just there for the money and doesn't give a fuck about you.

If the girl is a good actress, the sex will be enjoyable and having a drink, dinner, dance with her before, after, or in between sex can be enjoyable also.

And sometimes it may not be all acting and the girl may actually enjoy it a bit. Or she might be acting. Does it matter?

I was in Medellin recently for another mongering trip, and stayed at the Mansion. Usually, I split my sessions between Casa chicas and FB / Mansion chicas. This time, however, I spent practically all my sessions with FB / Mansion chicas. I came in with a list of a dozen FB chicas that I have seen before, were favorites and worth repeating with. In addition, I had another list of about 2 dozen new chicas that I wanted to see.

I ended up repeating with 6 chicas (some more than once), and seeing 9 new chicks. The dollar was strong, and the fact that I am a sucker for eye candy, probably influenced my decision.

I did visit Energy by accident, as a fellow hobbyist asked me to tag along. I was pleasantly surprised by their lineup. There were 20 girls in the lineup and all were decent. I ended up picking Isabela and was pleased with the session. In the past, I have not been too impressed with their lineup. I did not get a chance to visit my favorite casa, New Life.

Also, an ex-Mansion chica (currently suspended from the Mansion ground), wanted to see me and suggested that we go to Motel Ibiza, to which I agreed. A fellow hobbyist recently wrote a positive review about this motel. I concur, as I was very impressed by this motel. I ended going twice with this chick.

This motel is clean, high tech, very discreet, and reasonably priced. As the taxi entered the grounds of the hotel, my chick talked to someone via the intercom and she picked a room type. The person on the other side gave us a room number, and the taxi drove us there, dropped us by the door and left. Once inside, the outside door closed. My chick put on music, ordered food, and we raided the fully stocked refrigerator. When it was time, she called the office and had them start the Jacuzzi. I was impressed as everything seemed to work remotely. Moreover, I thought the food was very good, just like in a top parque Lleras restaurant.

We were there from 9 pm until midnight, both nights and the cost was reasonable, about $60 the first night and $50 the 2nd night, all inclusive, room cost, drinks, food, and tips. What's more amazing, I never saw a face, very discreet indeed.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1815593]The point is, he enjoys her company, not into the slam bam, duhhh, LOL...It's all in the attitude, and they're not all the same, that's for sure...If one doesn't like or want Jake's services, then ignore him and move on. I could care less if he charged $500 dollars an hour for a tour. If someone wants to pay that amount, good for him, and Jake, Lol.

Supply and demand will set his prices, simple as that. No need to get all huffy puffy and board bash, though this forum is never short of bashing for some reason.

Smile, enjoy, Happy holidays.[/QUOTE]Aah, the voice of reason, simple, logical, and very Cartesian. Voila! Thanks for the wisdom, Mr Ricker.

Mind boggling how folks insist on telling other people how to enjoy the hobby.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1815657]I was in Medellin recently for an....[/QUOTE]Great report, thanks Lefeu!

[QUOTE=GaryGroundwork;1815164]Yeah but it ain't real. She is there for the money and the food. She doesn't give one fuck about you just your wallet so what's the point.[/QUOTE]You are correct Sir. It is always about the $'s and it is not real. I am not looking for relationship when I am in MDE, but I am looking for a good time and enjoyable memories. I have been traveling to MDE 4-6 times a year since 2009 (less visits recently). And I can, without a doubt, say that some of the best travel memories of my life are from MDE. And most of those were because Beautiful and Sexy Paisas were interested in going along for the ride. For me, those moments will not be found by staying indoors and sport-fu**ing the entire trip. If you notice in my comment, I did not mention what my companions were thinking and feeling. However, my comments did share what I wanted from the exchange. Again, simply stated.........We ALL "Roll" differently. And I am COMFORTABLE with how I Roll.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1815657]
This motel is clean, high tech, very discreet, and reasonably priced. As the taxi entered the grounds of the hotel, my chick talked to someone via the intercom and she picked a room type. The person on the other side gave us a room number, and the taxi drove us there, dropped us by the door and left. Once inside, the outside door closed. My chick put on music, ordered food, and we raided the fully stocked refrigerator. When it was time, she called the office and had them start the Jacuzzi. I was impressed as everything seemed to work remotely. Moreover, I thought the food was very good, just like in a top parque Lleras restaurant.

We were there from 9 pm until midnight, both nights and the cost was reasonable, about $60 the first night and $50 the 2nd night, all inclusive, room cost, drinks, food, and tips. What's more amazing, I never saw a face, very discreet indeed.[/QUOTE]Motel Ibiza sounds like a nice alternative if I can't or don't want to take the girls back to my place. Is there a FB group or website where I can find the FB girls you're referring to? Or are they girls you collected throughout your mongering trips?

Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1815659]Aah, the voice of reason, simple, logical, and very Cartesian. Voila! Thanks for the wisdom, Mr Ricker.

Mind boggling how folks insist on telling other people how to enjoy the hobby.[/QUOTE]Amolatina.

LatinamericanLove.

A Foreign Affair (also owner of Anastasias or Elenàs Models), but this FA is active in Colombia and Medelíand too.

I just saw a documentary about FA. They charge for translate services. They charge for everything. The normal price for any service is a 500% above what it should be.

A guy, good income, clean, but typically fat that americans can be. Anyway, he had send $US9800 corresponding with a girl that reminded of Angelina Julie.

He went to Ukraine on a FA tour and they vivisted like 4-5 places and some got it together.

But this guy was heart broken. The fantatsy-girl, 99% sure she had just got payed for publish her photos on AFA, while other, pretending being her corresponded with him.

As a documentary team was along, they managed to put her forwar and meet this guy, who must have felt being robbed of his whole world of love, erotics. She promised to blaha blaha.

AFA owner could hardly keep himself from laughing when the reporter told the story and come up with some easy, stupid excuse adding " we are sorry".

$US 9800.

I have been around since 1999.1 time I had a serious girl that I could talk to, without any fees for this and that.

Colombiancupid, Latineuro; they are serious sites, the are liberal in that sense that you can see that a hot girl in lingerie age 22 are seeking men 45-70 yo, so that's the way to say "Hello, gringo, I'm a prepago".

Colombia; you can have a date with a good looking girl after just exchanging whatsapp, for a cofee, lunch. After an hour, everyday! Russia / Ukraine is 99% rip-off.

And so much nicer everything. I thought of Russia / Ukraine, but the culture is not for a person that want to become more open, enjoy good climate.

Latinas, except Argentinas from BS As, not in the north, they are like Colombianas, you can meet them and have fun!

I think I put together a list of rip-off sites in LA, I come back about that.

It's so easy to forget that 50 mil pesos is much for 73% of the population that is poor, and it's a fortune for the 23% that live in absolute poverty.

Keep that in mind. I have meet girls who's family said " jack. We adopt you", I was in a deep depression. Other girls family saw me as Papa Noel and going shopping on my expense was almost the fisrt, and last thing we did, and we had had contact for months, often shyping for hours daily!

Look at statistics; We have the upperhand, we can practically choose, if you are like me, a middle-aged normal / good-looking guy with a normal 1st world income. Choose among 8's-10's!

I have broken many of my own rules; but TAKE IT EASY.

Those girls I have given contact info. To lately, not for a a single penny to myself, but just helping them finding clients that pay more, and give better service, since there is no boss or caa charging them 30-60% of their earnings.

But those girls are also novia-material; they want to mix being prepago, and have a novio. Just keeping the best clients. Or come to Northern Europe where escorts are very expensive, since we don't have the vast influx of Eastern European girls, like Germany. A Paisa+9-10 can become $US-millionare working here for 6 years.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1815659]Aah, the voice of reason, simple, logical, and very Cartesian. Voila! Thanks for the wisdom, Mr Ricker.

Mind boggling how folks insist on telling other people how to enjoy the hobby.[/QUOTE]Right on brotha!

Great Trip report!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1815826]Motel Ibiza sounds like a nice alternative if I can't or don't want to take the girls back to my place. Is there a FB group of website where I can find the FB girls you're referring to? Or is are they girls you collected throughout your mongering trips?

Thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. I had wondered what I would do if I was in MDE and had to stay in a regular tourist hotel, with limited guest options. This option is worth considering when you are in a hotel, but still want to go out and party. Take your girl to the Love Motel, early evening. Have a few drinks and some adult fun. Then hit the town until the wee morning hours. Go your seperate ways. I have found it good to "Hit-It" before going out because I am too drunk to do it before sending her home. LOL.

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1815826] Is there a FB group or website where I can find the FB girls you're referring to? Or are they girls you collected throughout your mongering trips?

Thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]I created a FB account with a pic but little personal info about me. Then just searched for girls in Medellin and found a few obvious prepagos. Then searched their friends and found more. Takes a bit of work but not that hard to do.

Now I have several dozen, but don't know which are any good. I put up a message that I'll be arriving in MDE 1/1 and they have started contacting me. I'll be there a little over a week splitting my time between Jake's and the Mansion. Will report back shortly there after. In the mean time if any SM has a FB girl they'd like to recommend, please PM me.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1815829]I have been around since 1999.1 time I had a serious girl that I could talk to, without any fees for this and that..[/QUOTE]You are not used to talk to them with the same style you write, aren't you?

Only 27 years old, not sure what happened this time.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/american-citizen-found-dead-in-medellin-apartment/[/URL]


And this article with pics of building from minuto30, check out the comments:

http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-en-avanzado-estado-de-descomposicion-fue-encontrado-el-cadaver-de-un-ciudadano-estadounidense-en-hotel-de-el-poblado/418751/

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1816354]And this article with pics of building from minuto30, check out the comments:[/QUOTE]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:

[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]

Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:

[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]

Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]There has been a "Say no to Sex Tourism" movement and it keeps growing. After living there for 5 months now I see more and more of it. You can see how the locals look at the ones that come down there for short vacations have no discretion. As for devalue, there is the other side of the coin, the gringos are more able to rent out these apartments at a premium so these guys are not losing any money at all, in fact the I can see the money pouring into Medellin each day. I see more mercedes and bmw's. Driving by the local dealers you can see the dealers expanding their lots for the growth in demand. The key thing here is that the gringo's that come down have no and do not apply discretion at all. Colombians really excercise this but you need to have the girls come over in flats and not wearing anything that flags them as prepagos. They can tell just by looking and seeing how these girls act. Sad news to hear and I hope they find out the cause. Another thing to point out is that this is a very affluent area and soon the locals will not tolerate much more. Park Lleras is a streetwalking scene where last year you only saw a handful. The affluent will want some type of policing soon maybe by harassing the girls or some kind. It will happen, just a matter of time.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:

[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]

Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]After talking with a lot of Colombians one thing I agree they have a big problem with classism. The elite Colombians don't want to be around Colombians that belongs to a lower estrato. If they somehow stay close they don't have a feeling of being better than the rest (elite) , that is probably one of the other reason upper class hotels charge more for guest, because I do know hotels in Medellin where high end putas visit all the time especially the gym.

I have talked to a gringo who told me his hotel neighbors girlfriend asked him why bring this low class ho to a hotel, here in Colombia we don't go to estrato 3 so don't bring them in ours. This gringo replied: Your country is lower estrato, I got more money than you and you are a piece of shit and slammed the door in her face.

For those who've been around and know Medellin-how long has it been since the last publicized social cleansing took place? Do you think the sex tourists who publically flaunt their prostitutes will eventually become somewhat of a target, or just their prostitutes?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]No it is okay. Prostitution is legal and it is their culture. Also it is nobody else's business anyway. And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1816461]No it is okay. Prostitution is legal and it is their culture. Also it is nobody else's business anyway. And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.[/QUOTE]I am not speaking about what is illegal, but about what is elegant and what is perceived as trashy.

Prostitution is legal, but upper class families do not like to have silicon dolls coming and going on the elevator of their condo. It's quite understandable. The quote in my previous post is not surprising.
Prostitution is widespread, but it does not mean that catholic families accept such coming and going in their austere neighborhood.

"Prostitution is their culture"?? I wish to report this claim to the catholic family fathers I frequent in MDE (for work), and see how they would react.

Discretion should be a must, but those who would most need this reminder are not receptive, so to speak.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:

[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]

Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]Word. This is also why almost every apartment building has disallowed short term rentals under 1 month. It is also why I made earlier comments about people kidding themselves if they believe they are blending in. Respect of the culture you are in is always paramount but unfortunately many foreigners don't get it and refuse to learn enough to understand why many Colombians have limited patience with gringo tourists. I have been unfortunate enough to have ridden an elevator up to the now defunct "penthouse" some 13 years ago with two girls and a very unhappy Colombian family. It was uncomfortable to say the least.

[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1816469]Word. This is also why almost every apartment building has disallowed short term rentals under 1 month. It is also why I made earlier comments about people kidding themselves if they believe they are blending in. Respect of the culture you are in is always paramount but unfortunately many foreigners don't get it and refuse to learn enough to understand why many Colombians have limited patience with gringo tourists. I have been unfortunate enough to have ridden an elevator up to the now defunct "penthouse" some 13 years ago with two girls and a very unhappy Colombian family. It was uncomfortable to say the least.[/QUOTE]Yup. While prostitution is legal (and widely-practiced) in Colombia, the Colombians do it discreetly. As you point out, bringing Strata 1 putas to a Strata 6 apartment building generally brings the kind of attention we don't want. The upper-class residents in Poblado are rightly upset about many mongers' antics and (like it or not) they have the political pull to do something about it. Always best to keep a low profile wherever we pursue this hobby.

Yes they can. Just gringos can't tell that neighbors can and do recognize the hooker and her papi gringo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1816461]And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.[/QUOTE].

It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be naïve to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.

[QUOTE=Combo;1816501]Yup. While prostitution is legal (and widely-practiced) in Colombia, the Colombians do it discreetly. As you point out, bringing Strata 1 putas to a Strata 6 apartment building generally brings the kind of attention we don't want. The upper-class residents in Poblado are rightly upset about many mongers' antics and (like it or not) they have the political pull to do something about it. Always best to keep a low profile wherever we pursue this hobby.[/QUOTE]

Bronze this, make it mandatory to read before you can see any other site content. This is so important. This site needs more content like this.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1816531]It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be nave to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1816531]It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be nave to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.[/QUOTE]+1 to this post. Colombians from strata 1&2 are super polite people, think old time southerners. When they encounter the average gringo, it is offensive how we don't conduct ourselves with the typical politeness and formalities. Add putas and drunken parties to their buildings and you have a recipe for disaster. The post quoted below tells their real feelings, and you see similar posts under every gringo news story hat hits Medellin.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1816461]No it is okay. Prostitution is legal and it is their culture. Also it is nobody else's business anyway. And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational is right. Unless of course guys really are bringing strata 1 putas into strata 6 buildings. I thought those guys stayed in el centro to be close to the source.

But there is such a thing as situational awareness and often times the girl doesn't have to look like anything in particular. 9 times out of ten it is the gringo who looks like a monger that gives her away.

I have never seen a Colombian that lived in a nice building ever bring a short time girl to his personal living space. Colombians that have prepago girlfriends that they bring to their apartments are long term and stay TLN.

I shared a penthouse with another gringo that lives in Medellin full time and the only rule had was that I didn't bring more than 3 different girls into the apartment in any given week. Very easy for me because I stick with the same three women for months not weeks. Every now and then I lose one or switch one out.

Once again, I have to say use the love motels. This is the second best feature of Colombia. You definitely don't want to bring a steady stream of girls to your apartment, LOL. It's not safe either; sooner or later, you're going to get robbed by a chica.

My advice would be to split around 50/50 the girls you bring to your place and the ones you take to a motel.

As for the "catholic family fathers" I suspect many of them have fond memories of their mongering heyday, LOL, but yeah, discretion is key, although it seems Americans in particular just don't do discretion very well, too much cowboy in the genes I guess.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1816354]Only 27 years old, not sure what happened this time.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/american-citizen-found-dead-in-medellin-apartment/[/URL]


And this article with pics of building from minuto30, check out the comments:

http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-en-avanzado-estado-de-descomposicion-fue-encontrado-el-cadaver-de-un-ciudadano-estadounidense-en-hotel-de-el-poblado/418751/[/QUOTE]One of the latest comments on from the first source,"According to local police he overdosed. No signs of violence in his apartment. Now on forensic exams". This was 2 hrs ago.

Who knows what he was in MDE for, but comments on a couple other forums suggest narco biz, guessing because of his age, and because his brother went to MDE looking for him after no communication in 3 days. ? It's also entirely possible that it had nothing with either.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1816663]One of the latest comments on from the first source,"According to local police he overdosed. No signs of violence in his appartment. Now on forensic exams". This was 2 hrs ago.

Who knows what he was in MDE for, but comments on a couple other forums suggest narco biz, guessing because of his age, and because his brother went to MDE looking for him after no communication in 3 days. ? It's also entirely possible that it had nothing with either.[/QUOTE]But who overdosed him is the question? Did he do it himself, which is less likely on a Friday party night before the holidays that he was alone in his apartment, or did a guest of his put too much of the various knockout drugs used here into his drink? Whether or not he was involved in narco-trafficking has little to do with dying of drug use, users and sellers are two different breeds more often than not.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1816663]One of the latest comments on from the first source,"According to local police he overdosed. No signs of violence in his appartment. Now on forensic exams". This was 2 hrs ago.

Who knows what he was in MDE for, but comments on a couple other forums suggest narco biz, guessing because of his age, and because his brother went to MDE looking for him after no communication in 3 days. ? It's also entirely possible that it had nothing with either.[/QUOTE]As I mentioned several weeks back two full time guys here got drugged and ripped off by a real smooth operator so you never know. Found out another almost full time guy tried to make a big score transporting from here to Australia back in September time frame. Didn't work out so well got 5 to 8 years! Lots of tours going forward and the new motorcycle is a lot of fun! New pics on the website of some places to go to get wet and fly!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1816751]But who overdosed him is the question? Did he do it himself, which is less likely on a Friday party night before the holidays that he was alone in his apartment, or did a guest of his put too much of the various knockout drugs used here into his drink? Whether or not he was involved in narco-trafficking has little to do with dying of drug use, users and sellers are two different breeds more often than not.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the question. I noticed, while surfing other non-monger forums, that almost on a weekly basis there is a report of someone being the victim of a knockout drug. Saw one report of a Mexican near Parque Llerjas 2 weeks ago. Make me think that for a person with limited experience like myself, probably shouldn't be messing w / indys unless they have been vetted.

I don't plan to ever try it but I have found that a person using is 42 times likely to have a heart attack. Something makes me think he could have been a casual or first time user with a health condition, and that no foul play was involved. Guess we'll just have to see what the cops come up with.

This apt building that was referred to as the "gringo house", it that a place that is well known us?

That apartment building is called the "Edificio Gauss". It is located the the corner of Carrara 38 and Calle 11 be. A few weeks ago, I was shown an apartment in that building. I found it on AirBnB and I looked at it as a possible place to stay on a future trip. I did not get the impression that many gringos rent there.

Look it up on Google maps. Use the street view and you can see what the front looks like. Then compare it to the pics in the news report: [URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-en-avanzado-estado-de-descomposicion-fue-encontrado-el-cadaver-de-un-ciudadano-estadounidense-en-hotel-de-el-poblado/418751/[/URL].

I have never been to Medellin before and I am seriously considering going in February. I am not a cheap hotel guy (nothing against anyone who is--more power to you) . I like a little more comfort. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel that is guest friendly in Medellin?

Happy to swap my stories throughout Asia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1816959]I have never been to Medellin before and I am seriously considering going in February. I am not a cheap hotel guy (nothing against anyone who is--more power to you) . I like a little more comfort. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel that is guest friendly in Medellin?

Happy to swap my stories throughout Asia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Check this Hotel, is not in the cliche Poblado but its a few steps from the train station that will take you right downtown in 2 minutes or el Poblado in 14 minutes whilst enjoying a European nice place, I have NO affiliation with them just a regular guest.

[URL]www.61prado.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1816531]It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be nave to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.[/QUOTE]I am a Colombian estrato 3 honest guy and I learned English by myself. You are very smart, thanks for your understanding of the culture here. If anybody wants to hang out with a clean strato 3 mechanic just advice, I can take you to some real local putas places LOL.

Merry Christmas dear gringos.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1816959]I have never been to Medellin before and I am seriously considering going in February. I am not a cheap hotel guy (nothing against anyone who is--more power to you) . I like a little more comfort. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel that is guest friendly in Medellin?

Happy to swap my stories throughout Asia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If I am not mistaken Art Hotel is. But I guess all hotel are chica friendly some only charge you for extra guest. If your guest can sneak in without they knowing she is staying free.

[QUOTE=Combo;1816501]Yup. While prostitution is legal (and widely-practiced) in Colombia, the Colombians do it discreetly. As you point out, bringing Strata 1 putas to a Strata 6 apartment building generally brings the kind of attention we don't want. The upper-class residents in Poblado are rightly upset about many mongers' antics and (like it or not) they have the political pull to do something about it. Always best to keep a low profile wherever we pursue this hobby.[/QUOTE]To me this whole topic makes me wonder why people even travel to Colombia, in the first place. If the only acceptable option is to stay indoors with your amiga, and to rent a room at a Love Motel when you want something more, why bother going to Colombia? By the time you add up the costs of airfare, transportation, apt or hotel rental, love motel costs, chica costs, etc, you could have just stayed home and had several escorts delivered to your place and slept in your own bed. I think the drying-up of short term apts has more to do with late night parties than it does frequent guests. I have been staying exclusively in apts since 2011 and have actually become friendly with some of the permanent residents in the buildings I frequent. They have told me, on numerous occassions, that it is the wild parties on worknights that they dislike.

I travel to Colombia to experience a place that is NOT like my home. Sounds like a pretty boring vacation to do otherwise. But if our actions of being seen in public are only escalating the citizens to close the borders / opportunities to visitors, then perhaps we should take our tousism dollars elsewhere?

Please do not misunderstand my post. I am as respectful as I can be when I am visiting another country. I am polite, curteous and generous with those I encounter. But I refuse to subscribe to the notion that seems to sugest we should hide ourselves from the local hosts. I have encountered just the opposite if you are a friendly person who is truly interested in Colombians as people. I have experienced this while solo, or with amiga in-tow. I have found it is more about the way you present yourself, than who you are with. If you come off like an "Ugly American", you will be treated like one. If you are friendly and kind, you will be treated with respect. I did however have one occassion, a few years ago, where a local Colombiano suggested I tell my date to dress a bit more respectable, next time we go out for dinner. He was right. I am now more concious of that even though it does not make me look any differently......LOL

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1817175]To me this whole topic makes me wonder why people even travel to Colombia, in the first place. If the only acceptable option is to stay indoors with your amiga, and to rent a room at a Love Motel when you want something more, why bother going to Colombia?

I travel to Colombia to experience a place that is NOT like my home. Sounds like a pretty boring vacation to do otherwise. But if our actions of being seen in public are only escalating the citizens to close the borders / opportunities to visitors, then perhaps we should take our tousism dollars elsewhere?[/QUOTE]What do you mean that you go there to experience a place that is not like your home? Are you saying you go because you can openly hang out with hookers? You are kind of talking in oxymorons. You complain that the locals don't want to see you with hookers and if it wasn't for the fun of dating hookers in public then you would go elsewhere. After that you speak of taking your tourism dollars elsewhere. Well they don't mind your tourist-tourism dollars; it is your sex-tourism and narco-tourism dollars that they are against.

For me, Colombia is a top destination to date regular girls. So that is pretty much what I do. Then for quick fun or if I am hanging with my buddies we do the casas and clubs where you can get service in-house. I have no desire to wine and dine a hooker. I use them for their primary purpose and keep it moving.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1817184]What do you mean that you go there to experience a place that is not like your home? Are you saying you go because you can openly hang out with hookers? You are kind of talking in oxymorons. You complain that the locals don't want to see you with hookers and if it wasn't for the fun of dating hookers in public then you would go elsewhere. After that you speak of taking your tourism dollars elsewhere. Well they don't mind your tourist-tourism dollars; it is your sex-tourism and narco-tourism dollars that they are against.

For me, Colombia is a top destination to date regular girls. So that is pretty much what I do. Then for quick fun or if I am hanging with my buddies we do the casas and clubs where you can get service in-house. I have no desire to wine and dine a hooker. I use them for their primary purpose and keep it moving.[/QUOTE]Nope. Different culture, different food, different climate. I am not there to date; not looking for a significant other. Nor did I mention complaining locals when I am out with my amigas. I mentioned the notion that others seem to have about being seen in public. I do go out of the apartment and my experience has been quite the opposite from others who have posted about this. I am just there to have fun. As has been previously mentioned, we all "roll" differently. You and I clearly "roll" differently. Sorry if I am messing-up your "turf"...............NOT!

I have once again realized the "caustic" nature of this board and the polar-opposite opinions that get traded back and forth. I think I will again retreat back into the shadows and simply use the information posted for my benefit rather than to share a differing opinon for others to consider.

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1817175]
I did however have one occassion, a few years ago, where a local Colombiano suggested I tell my date to dress a bit more respectable, next time we go out for dinner. He was right. I am now more concious of that even though it does not make me look any differently......LOL[/QUOTE]That is the point others are trying to make to you, if one Colombiano had to tell you, HUNDREDS of others have thought the same even though they didn't tell you to your face. Nobody said stay indoors all the time, but it's best to avoid being the old gringo acting all lovey dovey with an obvious young hooker out in public. It's a pathetic spectacle anywhere in the world, not just Colombia. People think the old john is stupid for loving a prostitute because it is soooo obvious to the locals in their culture.

As far as tourist dollars from mongers in particular, I don't think it's so important as you think, if businesses all over Lleras voluntarily put up signs saying "Say No to Sex Tourism". Notice the signs don't say "Say no to prostitution" (which would be a more sweeping message), and these type signs aren't found in Centro near the casas for locals, they are aimed solely at the foreigner. There is too much "legitimate" tourism and business in Medellin for them to care about monger revenue, in fact I'd say mongers will be the first to be the whipping boys when the time comes to clean house. Just look at articles in the local papers and the usual comments that follow, always knocking the creepy old gringos here for women, while we all know that 90% of the casa business downtown is local guys! In other words, prostitution is accepted in Colombia (thats why it's legal), it's how the typical old gringo does it that the locals don't like. It's the spectacle the locals want to avoid, it's something that is meant to be done in private in this culture.

Glad to hear you tuned up your game when the Colombiano mentioned it to you, sounds like you took the intended message and that's what is important. No need to retreat into the shadows, this is a solid discussion that should be addressed.

[QUOTE=ColBoxer;1817025]I am a Colombian estrato 3 honest guy and I learned English by myself. You are very smart, thanks for your understanding of the culture here. If anybody wants to hang out with a clean strato 3 mechanic just advice, I can take you to some real local putas places LOL.

Merry Christmas dear gringos.[/QUOTE]Thank you. One of my careers was a licensed aircraft mechanic, so we have couple things in common. We could really use the opinion of a Colombian because no matter how hard we try to understand your culture, we will still always be gringos.

Other than being polite, respectful, and being properly dressed for both us and our date, is there anything else we should or should not do?

As some else has mentioned, most of the time we see many more Colombian men with a puta, in a restaurant than gringos with a puta. Are these Colombian men and their puta date frowned upon, in the same way as gringos with their puta date?

Sunday and Monday.

I managed to get booking at Mansion but it is Sunday and Monday.

But I learned on forum it is dead on Sunday and Monday.

Is it true these days or not.

Also do they allow to bring girls from outside.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1817195]That is the point others are trying to make to you, if one Colombiano had to tell you, HUNDREDS of others have thought the same even though they didn't tell you to your face. Nobody said stay indoors all the time, but it's best to avoid being the old gringo acting all lovey dovey with an obvious young hooker out in public. It's a pathetic spectacle anywhere in the world, not just Colombia. People think the old john is stupid for loving a prostitute because it is soooo obvious to the locals in their culture.

As far as tourist dollars from mongers in particular, I don't think it's so important as you think, if businesses all over Lleras voluntarily put up signs saying "Say No to Sex Tourism". Notice the signs don't say "Say no to prostitution" (which would be a more sweeping message), and these type signs aren't found in Centro near the casas for locals, they are aimed solely at the foreigner. There is too much "legitimate" tourism and business in Medellin for them to care about monger revenue, in fact I'd say mongers will be the first to be the whipping boys when the time comes to clean house. Just look at articles in the local papers and the usual comments that follow, always knocking the creepy old gringos here for women, while we all know that 90% of the casa business downtown is local guys! In other words, prostitution is accepted in Colombia (thats why it's legal), it's how the typical old gringo does it that the locals don't like. It's the spectacle the locals want to avoid, it's something that is meant to be done in private in this culture.

Glad to hear you tuned up your game when the Colombiano mentioned it to you, sounds like you took the intended message and that's what is important. No need to retreat into the shadows, this is a solid discussion that should be addressed.[/QUOTE]But retreat I shall. For one, I responded in an argumentative manner just like the ones I despise. That is just not who I am. Secondly, the nature of this board is for some to share their wisdom as if it is the only opinion worth considering. This comment is not just about my recent exchange, but the last several months worth of posts on this board. I have been traveling to MDE 4-6 times a year since 2009 and can honestly say there is NO one single approach to enjoy yourself.
I am curious to know if anyone has been turned away from a Poblado business because of this new tourism initiative? I have not visited for several months, so I have yet to experience such treatment. With that being said, when I am unable to take my Amiga out for a nice meal, it will be time to find a new place to visit.

Hi guys!

[I]Long time member but haven't been traveling much so not contributing lately. But rest assured I will once I get back from my upcoming trip to Columbia![/I] I'm also trying to sign up as a paying member but my Prepaid Visa gets rejected by the payment processor so will try something else.

After seeing Miss Columbia on the recent Miss Universe debacle, I want to finally go to Colombia to check out these beautiful women! And who better to ask than the experts in this forum!

So, like a good member, I've gone back 50 pages reading until my eyes bled trying to formulate a plan. But jeez there is a lot of non-report conversation to sift through. Not complaining, just apologizing in advance for asking the same newbie questions!

Thinking of going for the month of February and hitting Cartagena for the beach (and some less intense girl action) and Medellin for the serious girl action and to get to know this great city! Maybe just two weeks. Depending on a few work related obligations.

So anyone's advice on a plan is very much appreciated!

I am most attracted to lean, slim hipped women 18-21 and simply won't go with any women less than a 7. While I am very much interested in the person, I really P4P so I can be with ultra-hot looking 9+ women!

I like the idea of making the rounds of the high end casa's on foot during the day looking for the ultra-hottie, having a lunch / dinner somewhere interesting, then a strip club at night, again for finding the top end 9/10 girl for an hour or two. (Not a drinker but like great food).

Not interested in Street Walkers nor do I have delusions of finding love or seducing a "normal" girl due to my charm and wit!

I have good "game" but my Spanish is very basic. I am going to get intense on it and get a tutor here at home for the month. I really understand the value of speaking Spanish to get the best experience in a Spanish speaking society in general! Claro!

[B]Accommodations [/B]

I am interested in spending the first few days / nights with Colombia Jake to get acclimated to the scene. Seems like a decent guy. Although ultimately I'm wanting a bit more privacy and my own bathroom so the shared apartment might get old after a few days. I also like the idea of The Mansion for a couple days for that scene.

There are plenty of apartments on AirBNB but I am not sure of the best location for my needs. I like the Poblano area for the possibility of English speaking expats / tourists and the business' that might speak English. But I wonder about the Avenida Oriental and Calle 46 area as there seems to be a concentration of casa's within walking distance. But I don't know if that is an otherwise good / safe area.

I am not too inclined to take pro's back to my apartment but would like the possibility if I connect with someone I might like to spend a few days with.

[QUOTE=ColBoxer;1817025]I am a Colombian estrato 3 honest guy and I learned English by myself. You are very smart, thanks for your understanding of the culture here. If anybody wants to hang out with a clean strato 3 mechanic just advice, I can take you to some real local putas places LOL.

Merry Christmas dear gringos.[/QUOTE]Thanks for joining the discussion. Aside from the relevant questions Mr. Adventure is asking I'm curious to know what you mean by 'real local putas places'. Maybe you won't be able to be very specific about this, but can you at least elaborate a bit on what you're referring to?

[QUOTE=Dellorto;1817265]Thanks for joining the discussion. Aside from the relevant questions Mr. Adventure is asking I'm curious to know what you mean by 'real local putas places'. Maybe you won't be able to be very specific about this, but can you at least elaborate a bit on what you're referring to?[/QUOTE]Thanks for welcoming me. I meant places where you won't find any foreigner thus the behavior of this "putas" around and in bed is so different yet affordable. Real deal LOL.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1817223]Thank you. One of my careers was a licensed aircraft mechanic, so we have couple things in common. We could really use the opinion of a Colombian because no matter how hard we try to understand your culture, we will still always be gringos.

Other than being polite, respectful, and being properly dressed for both us and our date, is there anything else we should or should not do?

As some else has mentioned, most of the time we see many more Colombian men with a puta, in a resturant than gringos with a puta. Are these Colombian men and their puta date frowned upon, in the same way as gringos with their puta date?[/QUOTE]I am glad to hear you are an aircraft mechanic, my younger brother is just 19 and he is also an aircraft mechanic an puta chaser here at the local Medellin airport it seems both careers go hand on hand LOL. You mentioned the bottom line of being accepted: being polite, respectful and properly dressed go a long way when efficiently mongering down here. When those 3 items are well mixed your mongering experience will always work.

Cheers