Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE]Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and prime minister, said on Wednesday that Russia will seek to occupy "remaining Ukrainian lands" even if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky agrees to the Kremlin's most recent conditions for peace.

Medvedev, now deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, "reaffirmed that Russia would not accept or uphold any negotiated peace settlements with Kyiv short of Ukrainian capitulation, the destruction of the entire Ukrainian state, and the full occupation of Ukraine," the Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based think tank, said in its latest analysis of the conflict in Ukraine.

In a post on his Telegram channel, Medvedev said Zelensky agreeing to Putin's most recent conditions for peace will not constitute the "end of the Russian military operation" in Ukraine.

"Even after signing the papers and accepting defeat, the remaining radicals, after regrouping their forces, will sooner or later return to power, inspired by Russia's Western enemies. And then the time will come to finally crush the reptile. To drive a long steel nail into the coffin lid of Bandera's quasi-state," he said.

Russia will eventually return "remaining Ukrainian lands to the bosom of the Russian land," Medvedev wrote.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-medvedev-war-1923713[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2929916][URL]https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-medvedev-war-1923713[/URL][/QUOTE]Dumbass, you don't even realize that Medvedev plays the good cop / bad cop thing.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929505]despite Ukraine hitting a beach in Crimea with families and killing children. But that's okay in your book I guess.[/QUOTE]You guess wright. Sevastopol was and is military target, because of the Russian navy there and the close by military airport. Everybody going there on vacation at the beaches close by is rather stupid. Many better areas on Crimea, in this respect. Ask me, happy to give advice. I. e. Stormovoye. According to the news info, missile fragments hit the beach visitors. Either from attacking UA missiles, or Russian defense missiles. Not to be compared to a direct hit, like in Kiev.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2930294]You guess wright. Sevastopol was and is military target, because of the Russian navy there and the close by military airport. Everybody going there on vacation at the beaches close by is rather stupid. Many better areas on Crimea, in this respect. Ask me, happy to give advice. I. e. Stormovoye. According to the news info, missile fragments hit the beach visitors. Either from attacking UA missiles, or Russian defense missiles. Not to be compared to a direct hit, like in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Ukraine has been deliberately targeting Russian CIVILIANS in Crimea (And these people have lived there for centuries) and in the Donbas for years and years. But that's okay in your book because you are racist towards Russians and think Russian lives don't matter. And a beach with innocent civilians is not a military target, grow a brain.

Video of June 23rd attack in the middle of the article:

[URL]https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/06/25/73751654/[/URL]

To add faces to use of American cluster munitions against civilians: (run Google translate).

[URL]https://aif.ru/society/people/dvoe-detey-ostalis-sirotami-na-plyazhe-v-krymu-rakety-vsu-ubili-dvuh-mam[/URL]

99% of information on Ukraine in Western media is a mix of omissions and lies, mockery and debilitating paternalism.

The hardest facts are censored both in Ukrainian and Russian official media. I guess the sum of the above leaves the absolute majority of people in the West absolutely clueless on purpose.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2930365]Ukraine has been deliberately targeting Russian CIVILIANS in Crimea [/QUOTE]Obvious lie.

Quotation from fontanka. Ru:

Air defense forces shot down four missiles, and another one deviated from its flight path as a result of air defense impact. Its warhead exploded in the air above the city. .

No direct attack. Opposed to Russian barbaric attack on childrens hospital in Kiev.

Interestingly enough, even Russian politicians ask to close public beaches close to important military installations in Crimea.
Of course, after the accident, not too far from military airport Belbek, Sevastopol.
https://semnasem.org/news/2024/06/26/deputy-calls-for-closing-beaches-near-military-sites-in-krasnodar-and-sevastopol

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2929916][URL]https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-medvedev-war-1923713[/URL][/QUOTE]And why in the hell is Russia going to give up those lands? The only way it would not is if NATO goes to full war with Russia, but we do not have to wait for that. The guys here who are realistic about this was will chip in and buy all your gear myself included if you get off your ass from behind the keyboard and go fight the Russians yourself. WTF are you waiting for? Quit your griping and get to it soldier. You are asking the Ukrainians to put their lives on the line as opposed to trusting Putin. You should be willing to do the same you hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2930678]You are asking the Ukrainians to put their lives on the line as opposed to trusting Putin. [/QUOTE]Nobody is asking the Ukrainians. However, they are simply asking (begging?) for ammunition and weapons, not in small drops, like now, but in steady streams.

The (in-) famous Americans, who put their boots to fight onto Vietnams soil, or Afghanistans, are not even able or willing now to give such support.

But they can fight for economic interests, of course. Like in Iraq.

Similar for the Europeans, of course.

Both offering plenty of good words, though.

To trust Putler? Who broke the Budapest Agreement, after cheating the UA to drop their atomic weapons?

One more similarity of Wladimir to Adolf, BTW, who broke the agreement to the SU, not to attack.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2930572]Obvious lie.

Quotation from fontanka. Ru:

Air defense forces shot down four missiles, and another one deviated from its flight path as a result of air defense impact. Its warhead exploded in the air above the city. .

No direct attack. Opposed to Russian barbaric attack on childrens hospital in Kiev.

Interestingly enough, even Russian politicians ask to close public beaches close to important military installations in Crimea.
Of course, after the accident, not too far from military airport Belbek, Sevastopol.
https://semnasem.org/news/2024/06/26/deputy-calls-for-closing-beaches-near-military-sites-in-krasnodar-and-sevastopol[/QUOTE]Selective quoting. It's common knowledge that Ukraine has targeted Russian civilians deliberately, whether in Belgorod, the Donbas and Crimea.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2930765]Nobody is asking the Ukrainians. However, they are simply asking (begging?) for ammunition and weapons, not in small drops, like now, but in steady streams.

[/QUOTE]What you do not understand (Because you do not have a military background and believe the lies from the pathetic mainstream western media) is this:

The problem that Ukraine faces is 2-fold.

Lack of weapons.

Manpower.

The collective west cannot give Ukraine the weapons in the quantity that Ukraine needs, and I'm talking mainly about artillery here.

The most critical problem for Ukraine is manpower. The collective west cannot create soldiers for Ukraine. Sure, they can give it a lot of cash by printing money, but they can't print soldiers.

The 2 reasons highlighted above are the main reasons why Ukraine will lose this war.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2930857]
The problem that Ukraine faces is 2-fold.
1) Lack of weapons.
2)Manpower.
3)The collective west cannot give Ukraine the weapons in the quantity that Ukraine needs, and I'm talking mainly about artillery here.
[/QUOTE]1) is Correct. 2) is correct.

3) The West DOES NOT WANT to give Ukraine the weapons in quantity that Ukraine needs.

Producing artillery shells in huge quantity is no rocket science. Only question of money and WILL.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2930855] It's common knowledge that Ukraine has targeted Russian civilians deliberately, whether in Belgorod, the Donbas and Crimea.[/QUOTE]Since when are Russian civilians in Belgorod, Donbas or Crimea?

Occupied territories, so called "Russian civilians" there are simply occupiers or invaders.

Sent there to replace kidnapped Ukrainian children, or deported inhabitants. Good old Russian tradition, I. E. On Crimea.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2930860]1) is Correct. 2) is correct.

3) The West DOES NOT WANT to give Ukraine the weapons in quantity that Ukraine needs.

Producing artillery shells in huge quantity is no rocket science. Only question of money and WILL.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the west does not want to give Ukraine the weapons in the quantity that Ukraine needs even if they had them. That's because they are cunts and want to USE Ukraine to make Russia weaker. And still you folks are cheering for this war to go on, think about it.

And if you read my post carefully, I said artillery, in particular the 155 mm shells. The west does not have the capacity right now to produce them in the numbers that Ukraine needs to match Russia.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2930862]Since when are Russian civilians in Belgorod, Donbas or Crimea?

Occupied territories, so called "Russian civilians" there are simply occupiers or invaders.

Sent there to replace kidnapped Ukrainian children, or deported inhabitants. Good old Russian tradition, I. E. On Crimea.[/QUOTE]Ummm, you do know that Belgorod is a part of Russia, or don't you?

There are ethnic Russians in Donbas and Crimea and Ukraine has been deliberately targeting them since 2014, especially the Donbas.

Remember Peter's denial and repentance? The West three times reneged on the agreements: in February 2014, the Minsk Agreements in Autumn of 2021 and the Istanbul agreements in Spring of 2022.

Three times Russia was fooled, and we won't repeat the same mistakes again.

In Autumn of 2021 Ukraine with the support of the US opted for Plan be which meant military action and breakdown of the Minsk Agreements. The negotiations stopped only close to February 8, 2022.

In fact, two UAF brigades crossed into Donbass at dawn of 24th before the start of the SMO.

As for munitions: no, Ukraine does not ask for them, it's a sales force within the belt and MIC and the sales people in Kiev who were hired for this war, they ask for more and more. It's a racket with 2% of GDP target and the rest of nations are stupid enough to pay up. We have a great proverb, 'If you don't pay for your own army, you are going to pay to a foreign one'. We produce 152 mm shells at 8 cents to the dollar compared to NATO, and will start with artillery production and purchase of 155 mm soon.