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[QUOTE=Asmoth;2774985]Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.
Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]It would be great to read a report of your trip to balance the discussion.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2774942]
Dating app girl is about 2 million for overnight stay. Super hot girls will be 4-5 million per night. Plenty of these girls will also be a travel companion for the same daily fee plus expenses.
.[/QUOTE]Correct but only the mentally challenged would be paying these girls and rates for travel companions. Pros vs civilians has been discussed at length on the Indo Board. General consensus is that it's far better value and service to import a civilian into say Bali.
Anyone interested should read the Bali / Jakarta / Indo forums. It's all there. We are getting waay off topic.
[QUOTE=Asmoth;2774985]Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.
Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Excellent first report. Contains more info than most posts.
[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2774870]In other words, USD exchange rate has benefitted us by 25%, while costs in AC have gone up by 300%. Add to that other issues such as lower quality and devaluation from LT to ST. I have traveled Asiawide for years and saw the same evolution in Thailand about 15 - 20 years ago. One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining the market.[/QUOTE]Simply put AC barfines 10 years ago were $28.50.
2022 barfines are app $62.50.
A little over doubled.
Affordable to some still.
Fodder for cost accountants to search else where.
For me it is about personal value. Is it worth it to me or not? Given my present day circumstances it is.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2775169]Simply put AC barfines 10 years ago were $28.50.
2022 barfines are app $62.50.
A little over doubled.
Affordable to some still.
Fodder for cost accountants to search else where.
For me it is about personal value. Is it worth it to me or not? Given my present day circumstances it is.[/QUOTE]Lets call apples apples.
Yes 10 years ago it was possible to get a slim young good looking girl long time for 1200 p (28.50 usd).
Today, mostly chubby older plain girls are demanding 5,000 p (90 usd) short time.
Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.
So as I said apples to apples not just throwing numbers out to suit ones agenda.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775173]Lets call apples apples.
Yes 10 years ago it was possible to get a slim young good looking girl long time for 1200 p (28.50 usd).
Today, mostly chubby older plain girls are demanding 5,000 p (90 usd) short time.
Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.
So as I said apples to apples not just throwing numbers out to suit ones agenda.[/QUOTE]I am not paying any chubbies 5 k.
I am getting the same apple quality as I was 10 years ago. Some cases even better performers.
Let's be honest I have different values than your that I am happy with. To be honest I have to divide your input by 3 and subtract by 5 to get to my reality.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2775178]I am not paying any chubbies 5 k.
I am getting the same apple quality as I was 10 years ago. Some cases even better performers.
Let's be honest I have different values than your that I am happy with. To be honest I have to divide your input by 3 and subtract by 5 to get to my reality.[/QUOTE]As many have said girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, what one might think is good quality and slim might be someone elses would not fuck for free.
I'm glad that you are happy with the 300% increase in girl costs and the now standard of short time as apposed to standard long time of 10 years ago but by the tiny numbers of western punters in angeles city since its opening after covid proves that the majority are not happy at all with the quality of girls the astronomical rise in prices and have voted with their feet to not visit angeles.
A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2775157]Correct but only the mentally challenged would be paying these girls and rates for travel companions. Pros vs civilians has been discussed at length on the Indo Board. General consensus is that it's far better value and service to import a civilian into say Bali.
Anyone interested should read the Bali / Jakarta / Indo forums. It's all there. We are getting waay off topic.[/QUOTE]A monger who lives in Bali will be able to find cheaper pussy as he has more time and the chick will know there is repeat business. If he knows a bit of Bahasa Indonesia, he may even be treated as a pseudo local. Mongers who are there on a 1-week vacation need to take those prices as they don't have time to search wide. I've just come back from that region and the prices mentioned are correct. Nothing to do with being mentally deranged. I think the information you're providing is all from pre-Covid and the whole scene has changed.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2775238]A monger who lives in Bali...[/QUOTE]Answered in the Indonesia / Bali Thread.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775183]As many have said girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, what one might think is good quality and slim might be someone elses would not fuck for free.
I'm glad that you are happy with the 300% increase in girl costs and the now standard of short time as apposed to standard long time of 10 years ago but by the tiny numbers of western punters in angeles city since its opening after covid proves that the majority are not happy at all with the quality of girls the astronomical rise in prices and have voted with their feet to not visit angeles.
A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.[/QUOTE]300% divide by 3 minus 5 = 95%.
$62.50 minus $28.50 = $34.00. $34.00 divided by $28.50 = 119% over 10 years.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775183]A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.[/QUOTE]I'll bite. What are the recent BKK / Patts barfine prices (including tips) for LT? Keep in mind its harder to communicate with the girls there.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775173]Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.[/QUOTE]Disagree, NS. IMO the decline in girl quality started before that. 2009-ish, and by 2016 I didn't want to go back. Having been to AC a few months back, I was impressed by the better quality this year than pre-covid. The price increase, no so impressed. However the situation is what it is. I believe that there is enough there for warriors to find some joy, even with the K's skimming the best from the top.
Pic: From the Westy/AC archive. Obviously there is another gal in the room taking that pic. Whether at that time's price, or today's price, would paying today's price be too much to get a pair of happy and nawty pinas in your room for this? Even for just a few hours, and without pics, this might be gold for some gents. A shower together. BJ/sex with #1 while #2 takes pics. Shower with #1 while #2 snaps selfies. Chicharones, tequila and TV for an hour. Another session, roles reversed, sexing #2 while #1 takes pics. Another shower and you take both of them to Tropix or Atlantis to watch the dance show and have another drink. Walk them back to their bar, high on life.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2775528]300% divide by 3 minus 5 = 95%.
$62.50 minus $28.50 = $34.00. $34.00 divided by $28.50 = 119% over 10 years.[/QUOTE]Seems in your haste to prove a point you have overlooked the clear fact of short time v long time that I and many others have pointed out to you.
Lets look at the facts,10 years ago all girls stayed long time for the 28.5 usd, normally long time was minimum10 hours but many girls stayed much more time.
28.50 usd devide by 10 = 2. 85 usd the girl 10 years ago earnt per hour spent with punter, yes a measly 2. 85 usd an hour.
As many have said most girls in todays angeles demand 90 usd for short time max 1 hour or less if punter finishes quicker.
Yes that's a whopping 90 usd per hour earnt by girl spent with punter, what's worse is that you are happy with this increadible price increase.
In antisipation to your next post in reply I will file any claims made by your good self of all my girls stay long time now in the same bin as your earlier claims of you were able to fuck 8 girls daily in your youth.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2775564]I'll bite. What are the recent BKK / Patts barfine prices (including tips) for LT? Keep in mind its harder to communicate with the girls there.
Disagree, NS. IMO the decline in girl quality started before that. 2009-ish, and by 2016 I didn't want to go back. Having been to AC a few months back, I was impressed by the better quality this year than pre-covid. The price increase, no so impressed. However the situation is what it is. I believe that there is enough there for warriors to find some joy, even with the K's skimming the best from the top.
Pic: From the Westy/AC archive. Obviously there is another gal in the room taking that pic. Whether at that time's price, or today's price, would paying today's price be too much to get a pair of happy and nawty pinas in your room for this? Even for just a few hours, and without pics, this might be gold for some gents. A shower together. BJ/sex with #1 while #2 takes pics. Shower with #1 while #2 snaps selfies. Chicharones, tequila and TV for an hour. Another session, roles reversed, sexing #2 while #1 takes pics. Another shower and you take both of them to Tropix or Atlantis to watch the dance show and have another drink. Walk them back to their bar, high on life.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input westie, yes agree the decline in Angeles girl size looks and attitude has been Declining over many years.
As I did not travel to Thailand to monger but on business so did not partake in the flesh.
But in honesty from what I saw walking around near the open bar areas of both pattaya and Bangkok and comparing the girls to angeles then in all honesty the thais win hands down for youth, looks and slim body so pointless to compare prices between the two as such girls do not exist in todays Angeles.
My mention of my recent trip to Bangkok and pattaya is to make aware that while western punters have voted with their feet not to visit Angeles both Thai destination bars were packed with punters, for one destination to be packed and one destination to be empty of punters then that sugests to me those punters are happy with the quality and prices of Thailand and not so much with Angeles.
As a side note I stayed in great hotel near nana at 50 usd per night including buffet breakfast, similar hotels in angeles would have been at least double if not treble like for like.
[QUOTE=GentileBear;2774835]Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.[/QUOTE]I cancelled all yesterday. My flight alone to AC was going to be $1350. Wild Orchid at $80 a night x 14 (too poor to afford ABC) was going to be $1120. I like to pamper myself when it comes to food (I like my steaks and Italian places) and I usually have company. I drink quite a bit and add to it the lady drinks and 5000 pesos bull% and next thing you know $6000 was not going to take me very far. The worst is finding yourself with fuglies after you spent so much. I am fine overspending a bit if I spend my vacation with a few hotties.
I am all set for Jakarta now. Flight was half price, 4 star hotels for half the price of ABC with daily breakfast. World class malls to kill some time in and 1000's of steakhouses and restaurants. The brothels and massage spas with literally 1000's of Indo girls. The downside, no English and mostly bam-bam thank you Mam kind of system. I am ok with that because I never get to bang any Pinay lookers like Indo, just because they are hard to find or there are maybe half a dozen in every 100 girls. In Jakarta, You walk into these bordellos and you have 30 - 40 girls and every one of them is finger licking good. 9's and 10's are available if you are willing to spend a little. Problem with AC is even if you are willing to spend, you can't find them or the few that exist are usually with a group of Korean punters.
At 400,000 a pop ($25) - 15600 exchange, that is a bargain I cannot find anywhere else in SEA. Add another 200 K tip and it is still a steal, that's $40 total. Some high end places may charge twice that which I am still ok with considering you are getting models for a short time. Not Soi 6 and for sure not AC can a man do a model for $40-60. There are no models in AC even if I am wiling to pay a premium. I still love my Pinays though.
I will post my detailed report once I land Friday. I will be staying at a bordello for the first week to get everything out of my system, and then move to a nicer hotel in case I end up taking LTs and want some serenity and normal time to myself. I compiled a list which should be more than enough for 2 weeks. The plan is to do a spa every afternoon and in the evening a lady bar with a live band and banging on site. If I do find a gem who I click with, then I have no problem keeping her for 2-3 million a day. I am for sure staying away from the usual hooker places in South Jakarta where the girls are past their expiry dates or who have been hooking for years. (M Block for sure even though it has been dead for a while). Add to it CJs and BATS. Most girls there are in their 30's or have been around the block for several years. The plan is to stick to the old town. My last and only trip was in 2014.
Who knows, I may still end up in AC if things get better, I still have 10,000 pesos from 5 years ago. Enjoy and stay safe.