FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2819422]Not Sharks related, but I am curious, what do you all do for living? I can only afford to go to Europe once in several years, that's why I've been going to South America. I want to make more money. Is anyone willing to share how you afford on spending hundreds per session, and session after session? My DM is also open, so maybe drop me a Hi? Thanks![/QUOTE]Don.

Disclaimer -.

I can only speak about myself, but here is how I afford 2 yearly trips to Frankfurt. And I've been doing it for almost 20 years and I'm now 44. I'm a software engineer, I make 6 figures and usually perform consulting jobs that last 3-7 months which allow me to have a break in between jobs.

Travel -.

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I've used my points to purchase airline tickets almost yearly since I first got the card and I use my card for everything and pay the bill off every month.

On their travel booking portal site I look for the cheapest (lowest point) flight from San Francisco to Frankfurt and it usually ranges from 22 K-35 K points for a one way. Their portal works similar to Orbitz, Travelocity, etc. And you can look at flights over an entire month and see what day in the month has the cheapest (lowest points) flights.

Icelandic Air (out of business now) used to run 1 way flights from San Francisco to Frankfurt for $230 one way. Many times I would just save my points because the flight was so cheap or use my points on just the return trip.

Travel advice. Constantly scan the internet for cheap travel tickets. Use a combination of cheap tickets with travel points and save yourself those expensive costs like me.

Hotel -.

This would normally be the second most expensive part of your trip, if you stayed in hotels. I almost always stay at Hostels ([URL]Hostels.com[/URL]), not hotels and you can get a bed in most Frankfurt hostels for 25 Euro / night.

Airbnb just advertised a new service they have where you can rent single rooms in a house / apartment so I'm currently checking those out for my next Euro trip (Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Zurich).

A lot of the hostels also include a cheap continental breakfast so that will also save you money. And on most days where I visit an FKK, I show up in the early afternoon when lunch is still being served and I eat at least 2-3 times before I leave, so that takes care of lunch and dinner.

Hotel advice. In addition to constantly scanning the internet for cheap flights, I also keep track of prices for hostels and sometimes hotels (simple search on days I might travel), as they change depending on the time of year and if there is a convention in town. So I'm always looking!

Transportation. Most guys will call a taxi, Uber or rent a car to get around and that can add up. Not me!

I usually book my hostel (5 Elements Hostel Frankfurt) right near the Frankfurt main train station (hauptbahnhof).

From this station I can take the light rail to Mainhatten, the subway (with only 1 transfer) to Palace and intercity rail (2 stops) right to Darmstadt station then only a short 12 min taxi ride to Sharks. Oase used to have a free shuttle that would pick you up right in front of the main station and drop you off at Oase for free, but has stopped running it since Covid. You can take the train to Oase, which I did a few months ago, but it's a little more involved and ended up having to take a taxi back to Frankfurt which cost me 50 Euros.

Transporation advice. Try and stay near the main train stations as most Euro transportation is cheap, fast and accessable. So learn the train schedules (all online). I usually just use google search and google does a GREAT job of showing all trains, buses, routes and schedules. So you don't miss the last train from Sharks to Frankfurt at 1:42 AM.

Clubs costs -.

I'll admit hitting a club at least every other day for a multiple week trip can add up, but I try and maximize the entrance fee by eating multiple times and using the facilities, shower, sauna, etc.

Club advice. You aren't going to get around the admission costs, but you can look online at the clubs websites and almost all clubs have some discount times or days where they will reduce the entrance cost (ex. 50 E down from 65 E if you show up before 2 PM or discount Wednesdays, Sundays, etc) and many clubs outside Frankfurt have a cheaper entrance fee than the Hessen (Frankfurt) clubs.

Girl costs -.

This is my most expensive cost for each trip. If you read everything above you can see I skimp on all other costs so I can spend the most in this area. And as I stated above I'm now 44, but when I was 24-37 I could easily do 5-6 rooms per FKK visit, with costs of 50 E for entrance, 50 E per 30 min (which always included BBBJ), which would be roughly $300/ visit. Now with the increase in prices from a standard 50 E for 30 min to most women wanting 100 Euro for 30 min (including BBBJ) I usually only do 2-3 rooms. This price increase is due in part to the 2017 law that was passed by the German Gov't. If you want more info you can PM me as I have posted about this multiple times. Most punters on this site aren't familiar with this law and what it did to the punting world and try to attribute the increase in prices to tourists, but they're wrong!

Girl advice. Calculate how much you want to spend on the girls (ex. How many visits per vacation, how many girls per visit, plus entrance fee and transportation to get to the club). There are still lots of girls that will give you 50 E for min sessions in the Hessen clubs but you have to negotiate and most of them will be day shifters. Once the club starts filling up around 7-8 PM the girls shift and all demand 100. I do lots of negotiating now, as I'm so familiar with the old 50 E pricing that I can get lots of the girls to settle for 50 after I've worn them down for a while. My trick is to watch them and see how in demand they are, if they are going into the rooms a lot, they will demand 100, but if you see a girl that has been sitting around for the last 1-2 hours with no rooms, you can in many cases talk her down to 50 if it's later in the night and it looks like she needs the money. But it all depends on your negotiating skills.

Hope this advice helps -.

BPB.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2819279]Patricia (MOL) has been in Sharks forever, and she has had big silicone balloons since the first day I noticed her in 2018-2019.[/QUOTE]My first time with Patricia was in May 2014. She was a pretty SYT then, slim, and with flattish and slightly saggy boobs. Gave very good service. Used to sit with Leni. But she later disappeared for more than a year and returned with silicones.
I did not see her over the last year. Is the Patricia I see mentioned recently this same original Patricia?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2819422]Not Sharks related, but I am curious, what do you all do for living? I can only afford to go to Europe once in several years, that's why I've been going to South America. I want to make more money. Is anyone willing to share how you afford on spending hundreds per session, and session after session? My DM is also open, so maybe drop me a Hi? Thanks![/QUOTE]As others said, hundreds per session is a fantasy number unless you are easily duped or take an excessive number of extras.

As for how to afford, it depends on what you want, no? You could live a frugal life and blow most of your earnings on mongering. You could borrow and spend: this is a time honored American way, most consumers spend with money borrowed from the future including most importantly our federal government. You could find a job in DE, enabling you to spend a bigger percent of your income on FKKs cutting out travel and hotel expenses.

Of course you could make more money but that's a bit redundant IMO; I'd assume you'd want to make more money in life regardless of your urge to spend more on mongering. But if mongering provides the impetus to work harder and smarter, why not?

On seeking thread here on ISG, some guys said they spend upto 40 grand a year on sugarbabes per year. To spend at that level for multiple years, you must have saved enough, inherited a ton, or make a couple of hundred grand a year and spend all of it on sex, or borrow more and more and hope someone keeps lending you that much.

If you have no family to support, your ability to spend more (and save less) is naturally greater.

Or marry a rich lady and mooch off her wealth. Always a good idea.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2819834]My first time with Patricia was in May 2014. She was a pretty SYT then, slim, and with flattish and slightly saggy boobs. Gave very good service. Used to sit with Leni. But she later disappeared for more than a year and returned with silicones.
I did not see her over the last year. Is the Patricia I see mentioned recently this same original Patricia?[/QUOTE]Long time one but with silicon when I got her with naturals, I think on 2015 .

Visited thurs, Fri., sat generally between 1-11 pm. I'm an experienced hobbyist but new to FKKs. First impressions are (a) whoa tiddies everywhere, I can't believe this is real (b) a lot of asian dudes here: no judgment just way more than I expected.

[B]Lodging[/B] There needs to be a better hotel for travelers than the dormero. Yes its conveniently located for walking to sharks but the walls are paper thin and you can hear your neighbors conversations at normal volume. Not sure what the alternative is but if you're visiting I would seek alternative accommodations.

[B]Reviews[/B] I tried prepping a good / bad list based on reviews and when I got to sharks there's just so many, the vast majority I chatted up hadn't been reviewed, plus spelling (lina vs lena vs leena) and some SPs have the same names. That being said here are some reviews:

[U]Great rooms[/U] Great enthusiastic service, impressed by technical skill + surprise extras.

Sarah short tan blonde with tongue ring at couch under the aquarium.

Cardi tan chestnut hair big eyes at the wall to the left of the stairs.

Tamara white skinned fake blonde silicone at couch sitting below the stairs.

[U]Fine rooms[/U] Clear service, clear pricing, clear restrictions, no complaints.

IDR Name pale tatooed dark haired stripper chick standing at the bar near the entrance.

Victoria tall blonde sitting at the bar on the stripper pole side.

Brenda tall spinner with bag naturals standing at the bar. (honestly expected more based on the hype reviews but the service wasnt bad or anything).

IDR Name tiny tan dark haired romanian 24 years old smallest butt at the club sitting at the bar on the L couch side.

Melanie tan long blonde hair librarian glasses sitting at the bar near entrance.

[U]Scammer[/U] Avoid.

Emma white skinned blonde with short hair sitting at bar near entrance + dark haired RO friend. I got scammed. Agreed to 150 x2 on the main floor for a threeway with CIM. In the private room, after she's already blowing emma says now its 200 x2 for CIM (150 was only for the threeway). I agreed because I was having a good time and also because I am completely blind to red flags. A bit later now its 250 x2. Why? Who the fuck knows. I paid because its easier than getting into a scuffle with management but avoid this one, gents.

[B]Overall[/B] Yall are lamenting price inflation but if I had convenient access to gorgeous women for 100 euros I would go all the damn time. I love that the women speak fluent english and theyre so fun to flirt with compared to SWs in other monger hubs but its double edged because better language mastery = more weapons to scam. Living in the US I don't think I would plan a vacation solely for FKKs (Germany too far and there are closer options) but I'm glad I got to experience it.

[QUOTE=FFM96;2819787][B]Line Up, Sunday 21.5.[/B] (and many more girls).

Alea GR (Greece), Alexis RO, Alina MD, Alona RU (Russia), Amara (Iran / Persia) new! Grew up in Germany, America VE (Venezuela), Amy RO, Anjelica LV (Latvia), Audrey GH (Ghana), Becky RO, Bianca RO "tall and blond hair", Brenda RO, Briana RO, Cami RO, Carolina RO, Catalea RO, Celine RO, Chanel HU (Hungary), Chayenne MD, Chloe RO, Christina RO, Claudia RO, Dunja RS (Serbia), Emma RO, Esther RO, Gabriela RO, Hanny RO new!, Ica (RS-RO), Jana DE, Julie MD, Kalila RO (ex Harmony), Katalina RO, Kisha KE (Kenia), Kristal BG "red", Lara DE, Lea DE, "black hair ex Magnum", Lea DE "blond hair", Lena RO, Lilia DE, Liz RO, Liv RO ex "Becki", Maria ZA (South Africa) "Blacky", Melanie RO, Melina RO "curly afro hair", Melissa RO "red", Melody (Iran / Persia) new! Grew up in Germany, Natascha (Macedonia) "dark blond" new name: Sophia, Nelly RO, Niko RO, Patricia MD, Rebecca RO (place was / is next to "Brenda" at the front left of the bar), Sandy CO, Samy RO, Sarah RO, Sky RO, Tamara RO, Vanessa RO, Victoria CZ-RO "blond hair", Victoria RO "black hair", Vivien DE.[/QUOTE]I didn't see her on Thursday, but good news for Kalila. My 2 most interesting at the moment are not listed.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2819790]Don.

Disclaimer -.

I can only speak about myself, but here is how I afford 2 yearly trips to Frankfurt. And I've been doing it for almost 20 years and I'm now 44. I'm a software engineer, I make 6 figures and usually perform consulting jobs that last 3-7 months which allow me to have a break in between jobs.

Travel -.

The most expensive part of your trip will be travel costs. So, get yourself a [URL]Citi.com[/URL] credit card with travel rewards that earn 1 travel point for every dollar you spend..[/QUOTE]Interesting is, when I don't think you use to go always with same girl like me when I'm happy when I succeed to find one elegant attractive even among quantity at Sharks, so now only half of girls will get your cheap grocery business compare to old rate, when I will go only with who make me dream and will try to build high love sex level meaning fluent really French kiss and not limited foreplay, I don't pay for lower level.

[QUOTE=JunkSecond;2819778]Planning my next trip to EU next month. From what I gather price everywhere is 100/30 min. I don't mind paying 100 but it needs to be top quality. So if everything is now 100/30, where is the best quality?

Frankfurt RLD?

Frankfurt FKK?

Amsterdam RLD?

Those are about the extent of my options in proximity to airports, but might be able to look at other options if the quality is superior.[/QUOTE]People have different taste.

I can tell when I was in RLD in Frankfurt, the quality wasn't the best, there were like 5 girls out of 100 that I really liked.

I wasn't there but for sure RLD Amsterdam going to be better and have more options.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2819790]......Airbnb just advertised a new service they have where you can rent single rooms in a house / apartment .......[/QUOTE]This is how I did Europe in the 1970's and 80's when I was in my 20's and 30's. There was an office in each city called "InTourist" where you visited and was given an address to which you went and was assigned a room in a house where you shared with family members. Met some great people that way. Stayed once with two gay guys in Copenhagen for 2 weeks, on my last night they held a party for me. I changed my views on gay people after that stay. I would recommend that experience for young people. Visited Amsterdam back then and could only gawk at the hookers as I could not afford to bang them.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2819834]My first time with Patricia was in May 2014. She was a pretty SYT then, slim, and with flattish and slightly saggy boobs. Gave very good service. Used to sit with Leni. But she later disappeared for more than a year and returned with silicones.
I did not see her over the last year. Is the Patricia I see mentioned recently this same original Patricia..[/QUOTE]As I said, I never [I]noticed[/I] her before 2018, so it could very well be that she was there before 2018 ish and that I only noticed her after she got implants. I have fucked her a couple of times, and she's quite nice, but I like variety and my 'group of favourites' is a constantly changing constellation. At the moment I tend to take the following girls to rooms, in random order; Esther, Renata, Senna, Abby, Eva, Kim, Brenda, Samy, Sarah, and the darkhaired girl that Kim hangs out with who's name I've forgotten. Usually I pick 1 or 2 of these girls during a visit, and on top of that 1 or 2 'new' girls, but due to bad experiences last year and in 2023 (extremely mediocre service, and potentially wasting a lot of money) I tend to be a lot more careful with new girls than during 50430.

Yes, Patricia wasn't around that much last year although I [I]did[/I] occasionally see her sitting at her fixed spot on the sofa in front of the staircase next to her partner-in-crime Julie, but I guess now in 2023 she needs to work more and more hours in order to pay for rent and groceries, even with those 'stellar' WG (Working Girl) incomes. Anyway, the WGs will continue to sabotage themselves with 100430 until something breaks.

P.S. I have also cut my visits by about 50%, not only from a financial perspective ('service versus price' is simply a [U]bad[/U] deal at the moment) but [I]also[/I] from a Cost Opportunity point of view. During the mad Covid lockdowns I really missed traveling, and with these ridiculously sky-high prices, one visit to Sharks costs more than a weekend trip to another city or country. Instead of wasting a full day in Sharks spending 400-500 Euros on very mediocre girls providing a very mediocre service with an increased risk of a complete flop (poof, 100 Euros down the drain), being totally bored in between sessions breathing air full of smoke and eating lousy food, for the same money (usually far less!) I can also decide to spend a weekend outside in the fresh air visiting some city, visiting a museum, visiting some a historical or cultural landmark, going for a hike in nature with some friends, playing paintball / airsof with a few colleagues, going bowling, enjoying the landscape, going out for a nice meal with friends, or playing a game of pool or snooker etc. If I really need a massage I can get one in the town where I live, and a nice sauna with large swimming pool is also nearby. Life is too short and interesting to pay 65 Euros entrance for Sharks and look at grumpy overpriced WGs smoking cigarettes all night long, I'll 'reward' them with more visits when they change their attitude.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2819646]I would not recommend the stock market or any means of acquiring quick money. I do not know your level of education but I would recommend you decide on a high paying job and work towards qualifying yourself for such a job. You may need to lay off mongering for awhile and save your money to further your education. After you are qualified you may need to work on low paying jobs for sometime before gathering enough experience to acquire a higher paying one. That's what I did. I had many years of one session with a working girl per week, sometimes even a fortnight or month before I attained a more favorable frequency having become a successful contract manager. Thing is back when I could only afford one session per week I had the ability to do several per day and now that I can afford several per day I can only do one per day.[/QUOTE]Not completely true, majority of my wealth comes from the market. Yes, there is no such thing as quick money, understanding the market and the time it takes to create wealth.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2819991]As I said, I never [I]noticed[/I] her before 2018, so it could very well be that she was there before 2018 ish and that I only noticed her after she got implants. I have fucked her a couple of times, and she's quite nice, but I like variety and my 'group of favourites' is a constantly changing constellation. At the moment I tend to take the following girls to rooms, in random order; Esther, Renata, Senna, Abby, Eva, Kim, Brenda, Samy, Sarah, and the darkhaired girl that Kim hangs out with who's name I've forgotten. Usually I pick 1 or 2 of these girls during a visit, and on top of that 1 or 2 'new' girls, but due to bad experiences last year and in 2023 (extremely mediocre service, and potentially wasting a lot of money) I tend to be a lot more careful with new girls than during 50430.

Yes, Patricia wasn't around that much last year although I [I]did[/I] occasionally see her sitting at her fixed spot on the sofa in front of the staircase next to her partner-in-crime Julie, but I guess now in 2023 she needs to work more and more hours in order to pay for rent and groceries, even with those 'stellar' WG (Working Girl) incomes. Anyway, the WGs will continue to sabotage themselves with 100430 until something breaks.

P.S. I have also cut my visits by about 50%, not only from a financial perspective ('service versus price' is simply a [U]bad[/U] deal at the moment) but [I]also[/I] from a Cost Opportunity point of view. During the mad Covid lockdowns I really missed traveling, and with these ridiculously sky-high prices, one visit to Sharks costs more than a weekend trip to another city or country. Instead of wasting a full day in Sharks spending 400-500 Euros on very mediocre girls providing a very mediocre service with an increased risk of a complete flop (poof, 100 Euros down the drain), being totally bored in between sessions breathing air full of smoke and eating lousy food, for the same money (usually far less!) I can also decide to spend a weekend outside in the fresh air visiting some city, visiting a museum, visiting some a historical or cultural landmark, going for a hike in nature with some friends, playing paintball / airsof with a few colleagues, going bowling, enjoying the landscape, going out for a nice meal with friends, or playing a game of pool or snooker etc. If I really need a massage I can get one in the town where I live, and a nice sauna with large swimming pool is also nearby. Life is too short and interesting to pay 65 Euros entrance for Sharks and look at grumpy overpriced WGs smoking cigarettes all night long, I'll 'reward' them with more visits when they change their attitude.[/QUOTE]And You want to go to Globe? For 150/30 with average looks. Run to lovely full natural with beautiful eyes Senna and You will experience what is top level at Globe, except to fuck piece of meat in public. At Sharks, even only very few, but I find prettier and more fresh GFE, 1 enjoyed for 200/90 vs 450 at Globe. And in better rooms with window for daylight than at Globe in dark.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2819991]... I'll 'reward' them with more visits when they change their attitude.[/QUOTE]Forget that! The girls will only change their prices if men don't accept everything, loose their shame and learn to say "no" or to negotiate. The details, the timing and the price must be communicated clearly before rooming, at Sharks very important, or the girls (of course not all) "play" with men. And there are still more than enough men who will accept any price, it doesn't matter if they are locals, tourists or international regular visitors. The girls know all this.

I arrived at the club around 12:30 and went to shower and get changed. I was a bit hungry so I went to the kitchen to get something to eat. After that, I went to explore the couches near the pole dance and sauna. This probably gave me away that I was new to the club to the girls because several girls approached me and tried to get me to have a session with them. I politely declined and went to relax in the sauna and jacuzzi upstairs. When I felt more ready I went downstairs to the bar to grab a drink. Got a couple of approaches from girls and I decided to go with Alice whom I felt to click more with.

Session 1: Alice, 25 year old (RO).

Alice was a short blonde girl with a pretty cute face. Her quoted price was 100/30 and 200/60. I went with 100/30 with the option to extend if needed. We did BBBJ, kisses without tongue, cowgirl, missionary, and doggy. After a while fucking, she said the time was almost over and asked if I would like to extend. Negotiated for 150/60 which she, in the end, accepted. We continued for a while before I finally came. We chatted a bit before we headed out.

Session 2: Carolina, 27 year old (RO).

Carolina was a beautiful and friendly girl with big natural breasts and a nice ass. She walked from time to time with her friend Tamara. Her quoted prices are 100/30 and 200/60 as well. I took 100/30. Inside the bedroom, she tried to sell more services but I declined. She also said she could give me a "discount" 150/60 since I'm new to the club which I accepted. Good BBBJ, many light kisses, some kisses with little tongue, 69, cowgirl, doggy, missionary. Had a fun and good session with her. We chatted a bit before we headed out.

At this point, I was quite spent and wanted to relax a bit before heading home. However, there was this girl, which I declined multiple times earlier during the day, who came to persuade me to have a session with her. She was quite pretty so I thought why not. I asked her to give me 30-40 minutes to recover, which she agreed to.

Session 3: Lena, 25 year old (RO).

Lena was a tall, skinny girl with a pretty face and short brown hair. She told me she was from France (which I verified later with one of her friends). Her quoted prices are 100/30 and 200/60. I took 100/30. In the bedroom she persuaded me to extend the session to 1 hour so we don't have to stress. Negotiated to 150/60. Ok BBBJ, kisses with little tongue, 69, cowgirl, doggy, missionary. Unfortunately, I was too tired to finish so I asked for a massage. The massage was ok. Gave her 150 euros + tip.

[QUOTE=FFM96;2820306]Forget that! The girls will only change their prices if men don't accept everything, loose their shame and learn to say "no" or to negotiate. The details, the timing and the price must be communicated clearly before rooming, at Sharks very important, or the girls (of course not all) "play" with men. And there are still more than enough men who will accept any price, it doesn't matter if they are locals, tourists or international regular visitors. The girls know all this.[/QUOTE]For me, a dreamed room, my standard being at the moment 200/90 for very GFE giving illusion, is less expensive than a 50/30 just suck and fuck as a rabbit, just waste of money for me, when I can t enjoy sex without real kissing like with a woman and foreplay, but each one own standard for quality when I don t drive Korean or Chinese cars. Good and faster deal at Sharks is 100/40 with full GFE turning hurricane under foreplay. Some Germans give more than 1000 to some girls like Angela who took weight.