FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2823185]Maybe envy. Some folks are jealous that many east Asian men have the means and willingness to spend generously on mongering, implying that they caused global inflated prices for mongering.

But they forget the simple fact that for many East Asian men, mongering is their only chance to get this type of women. Any type of woman. So I don't blame asians one bit.

Some folks just don't understand that not every monger has the same acceptance rate. If you're fat, bald, old, non-white, ugly, etc. then you have less leverage and negotiating power than some young, fit, white, handsome, etc. guy and if you're not willing to pay a premium, you're not getting the best of the best.[/QUOTE]Anyway, the problem are guests that are willing to pay more even if tis is not necessary, It was the same problem in Austrian clubs with Italian guests before the Covid. They were offering double prices to girls even if they would get the same service for (then) regular price of 70 or 100 EUR. They are breaking the market and on the end, everyone must pay more.

[QUOTE=Mathias037;2823921]Anyway, the problem are guests that are willing to pay more even if tis is not necessary, It was the same problem in Austrian clubs with Italian guests before the Covid. They were offering double prices to girls even if they would get the same service for (then) regular price of 70 or 100 EUR. They are breaking the market and on the end, everyone must pay more.[/QUOTE]Not everyone knows the market price though. Beside, girls are really good at trying to sell extra services. Even I had a hard time to negotiate / hold the prices lower when a beautiful / cute girl trying to sell extra to me.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2823876]A new French girl...[/QUOTE][B]Emily F[/B]

Why don't you write the name? Forgot? Top Secret? LOL.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2817574]According to my experience and some other suggestions, current Sharks elite team (optic 7+) includes but not limited to below girls:

Lora Catelea Chloe Kitty Alina Jana Kim Tebea Anna Kathleen Mara Claudia Teodora Adriana Melissa Vanessa Victoria Katie (Katya) Sabina Christina Esther Raluca Simone Cloepetra Brenda Kendra, etc. Some of them are tall model type. I had rooms with all of them since early last year.

Some tourists' favorites: Roxy Amanda Emma Melani Ruby Megda Esra Mina Cosmina (moved to Oase?) Betty (come back soon) Tamara?

New fresh: Beea, Roberta, Bailey, Lorianna Floritina Lola Cami Sibel Celine. (I had rooms with them this year).

My top 5 favorites (I will post a detailed report later).[/QUOTE]When a girl, who claimed coming from Paris, quoted me 150/30 including GFE, I took it even if she might not deserve the money. The overpricing was just for curiosity because I wanted to know how much difference between Frenchwoman and Romanian ladies. No much difference. "Emilee" is the girl's name. I could put her in new girls list.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2823876]A new French girl, from Mbappe town 93, this time close to Paris for real. I told her I pay only with love. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyTo;2823954]Even I had a hard time to negotiate / hold the prices lower when a beautiful / cute girl trying to sell extra to me.[/QUOTE]It's really not very difficult. When this happens during sex;.

*) always stay polite and [U]never[/U] get upset.

*) smile and say in a flirtatious voice "no thank you" or "hmmm, maybe another time" with perhaps a small wink.

This way you don't kill the mood (both for yourself and for the girl) and you don't give the girl a reason to become angry or upset.

Almost all women like it when a guy sticks to his principles, has boundaries and has confidence and is not afraid to say "sorry, I won't do that. " Almost all women [U]hate[/U] simps who will bend over backwards for her, are constantly agreeable, and will always say "yes baby, whatever you want. ".

Here are some basics about women and simping, there are tons of similar videos out there: [URL]https://youtu.be/J8NeTEz2YUg[/URL] or perhaps this one: [URL]https://youtu.be/ysx8yr6D3hM[/URL] If you just understand some [U]basics[/U] of social dynamics then this can really [I]improve[/I] your sessions in clubs but also your normal social and business life. Of course, contrary to normal life, a prostitute will still fuck simps but the difference is that she will completely overcharge you and rip you off with bad service and upsells, instead of giving you good service for the standard prices.

Just try out some of these tactics: start small and always be playful. Women are like little children: don't be too harsh on them because they get emotional quickly, but they will also appreciate and respect a man who sets limits, boundaries and provides guidance in a confident way, and does not automatically agree with everything she says or wants.

[QUOTE=FFM96;2824028][B]Emily F[/B]

Why don't you write the name? Forgot? Top Secret? LOL.[/QUOTE]At my age, big problem for short memory, but I full remember for what I like.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2824035]When a girl, who claimed coming from Paris, quoted me 150/30 including GFE, I took it even if she might not deserve the money. The overpricing was just for curiosity because I wanted to know how much difference between Frenchwoman and Romanian ladies. No much difference. "Emilee" is the girl's name. I could put her in new girls list.[/QUOTE]I never paid Lora so expensive than 150 per 30 and even on escorting, and of course with fluent generous real french kiss and DATY. I told new one I pay french girls only with love, when no real GFE without DATY, same like when a girl is not able to kiss You to make You think she is in love for You. You can find escorts for less than 150/30 , not needing to pay entry. Real fresh GFE Romanians are very close to french women for sex. I hate piercing on nipples, clit and face, I don t want to break a tooth.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2824043]It's really not very difficult. When this happens during sex;.

*) always stay polite and [U]never[/U] get upset.

*) smile and say in a flirtatious voice "no thank you" or "hmmm, maybe another time" with perhaps a small wink.

Just try out some of these tactics: start small and always be playful. Women are like little children: don't be too harsh on them because they get emotional quickly, but they will also appreciate and respect a man who sets limits, boundaries and provides guidance in a confident way, and does not automatically agree with everything she says or wants.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Will see how I can apply it next time I visit FKK.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2822163]I find it intriguing that this board seems to be more preoccupied with the effect of Asian customers than you see referenced on the German boards. I wonder what the reasoning behind this phenomenon.[/QUOTE]Interesting point. This is an English-language board. Maybe racial identity as Asian works differently in the English-speaking world than the German one?

In the English-speaking world, Asian men have long been portrayed as the least desirable, least masculine, least endowed.

The participants on this board are not exactly the prime examples of manhood that could get women without paying for it. I imagine they still want to think they're above Asian men.

Yet, in the world of the FKK, customers are generally equal. The girls are not looking for love. If you're clean and can pay, your racial identity doesn't matter.

So I would bet it's a source of frustration for some customers that Asian customers are treated the same as they are. So they make up excuses that the Asian customers must be overpaying or that they have short sessions or their equipment is less taxing on the girls and so are desired more as customers.

I've seen some of these stereotypes about Asian men in German media as well though, so I'm surprised how less of an issue it is on German boards.

But then again, German media may also just be picking up on cues from Hollywood. And many of the girls are from Eastern Europe, which does not portray Asian men in the same way.

The Bob Dylan / Johnny Cash of Russia, Viktor Tsoi, was an Asian man. The English-speaking world has no equivalent.

It could be that Germany also does not lean into racial hierarchies as heavily as the United States and other English-speaking countries do.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2824357]So I would bet it's a source of frustration for some customers that Asian customers are treated the same as they are. So they make up excuses that the Asian customers must be overpaying or that they have short sessions or their equipment is less taxing on the girls and so are desired more as customers. It could be that Germany also does not lean into racial hierarchies as heavily as the United States and other English-speaking countries do.[/QUOTE]"Asian Hunting" is a well-known and well-studied phenomenon that occurs within the FKK club culture. And the girls who engage in it have no intention of treating Asian customers the same as every other customer. No, their aim is to engage in graft. To reap the most money while doing as little as possible in return for it. They target Asian men because they know many of them will not demand much and will seek to maintain their composure and avoid a nasty public confrontation at all cost in order to save face, if not their money (yes this is a "real thing" in many Asian cultures). So, they go after these Asian men knowing they can get one over on them. Over and over an over again. With little to no risk of any adverse consequences. These men won't even go and lodge a complaint at the front desk.

I was at Palace once and a small group of Asian men came in. There were a couple of girls who were right on them. In short order one was off to the room with an Asian customer. I decided to time how long they were in there, and I saw that they were back on the floor in a mere 15 minutes! She was all smiles, and it was easy to understand why. She didn't "session" with the guy. No, she "processed" him. Another time I was at Samya talking to two really white-skinned, blonde Romanians (they exist) who admitted to being "Asian Hunters" and stood there laughing about it. Before long a Japanese guy walked in and one of those white "blondies" the Japanese men love so much was right on him, and in no time (I'd say less than a minute) they were off to a room. Just like that! She looked back at me and grinned and winked. Time to rip off yet another Asian customer with a subpar performance at a premium rate.

Now, I had to literally laugh out loud at the last sentence of your post that I quoted! Really? First of all, here again is another attempt to "blame it on the Americans" when we all know full well that plenty of the folks in here complaining about Asians driving up prices aren't Americans. That's a fact Jack! But even more pointedly, do I need to remind which country it is that you're comparing the United Stated to? That would be the one that gave the world the Nazis which was obsessed with racial hierarchy. And if you somehow believe that's all gone away and none of it remains within the conscience of German people at all, then I have a bridge to Brooklyn that I would like to sell you. I'll give you a good price too! LOL LMAO!

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2824357]Interesting point. This is an English-language board. Maybe racial identity as Asian works differently in the English-speaking world than the German one?

In the English-speaking world, Asian men have long been portrayed as the least desirable, least masculine, least endowed.

The participants on this board are not exactly the prime examples of manhood that could get women without paying for it. I imagine they still want to think they're above Asian men.

Yet, in the world of the FKK, customers are generally equal. The girls are not looking for love. If you're clean and can pay, your racial identity doesn't matter.

So I would bet it's a source of frustration for some customers that Asian customers are treated the same as they are. So they make up excuses that the Asian customers must be overpaying or that they have short sessions or their equipment is less taxing on the girls and so are desired more as customers.

I've seen some of these stereotypes about Asian men in German media as well though, so I'm surprised how less of an issue it is on German boards..[/QUOTE]Wow, this was cringe.

OK, you're an Asian man. We get it.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2824357]......least masculine, least endowed......[/QUOTE]In the mongering world this is the most desirable by the providers.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2822163]I find it intriguing that this board seems to be more preoccupied with the effect of Asian customers than you see referenced on the German boards. I wonder what the reasoning behind this phenomenon.[/QUOTE]I followed up, but I still can't get an answer to why people here seem to be more preoccupied with the effect of Asian customers than those on German boards.

So far, everyone has just responded by just repeating why they're preoccupied with the effect of Asian customers ... which are just anecdotes justifying their bias.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2824673]I followed up, but I still can't get an answer to why people here seem to be more preoccupied with the effect of Asian customers than those on German boards. So far, everyone has just responded by just repeating why they're preoccupied with the effect of Asian customers ... which are just anecdotes justifying their bias.[/QUOTE]My "anecdotal evidence" said nothing about Asian customers driving up prices and was not meant to "justify bias". But, it was meant to give credence to the reality that "Asian Hunters" are a known quantity and are out to take advantage of Asian customers by providing subpar service while extracting as much money as possible at the same time. People can seek to draw whatever conclusions they would like to from that truth. And mongers who have been in this game for as long as I have know that a truism it is. Now, do I believe it serves to drive up pricing? No not necessarily, but it's not helping anything either.

[QUOTE=SethiatSpace;2812428] go to clubs and escorts in Dubai, in Kazakhstan, in Barcelona, in London, in Moscow, in Copenhagen, in Sofia, . .[/QUOTE]Would love to hear your Kazakhstan trip report. Thank you!