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[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2784358]Was It Jemma or Jemma Lynn? I was with the latter from Atlantis (she always said the two names together). But my experience wasn't like yours, so I'm curious.[/QUOTE]This girl only said Jemma. She is the tiniest of the spotlight dancers, 4'11" and 40 kgs. And her teeth were protruding a bit forward. Also, her nipples were unusually large and firm like doorknobs. Not sure if that is the one.

FuriousGeorge and others, would be good to hear how you navigated among various girls you were with at the same bar. I remember reading half a year ago, I do not recall who posted, someone saying that 6 days in AC is enough, and now I kind of understand that. The last 2 nights changed things a lot for me once I had to start playing girl politics.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2784391]This girl only said Jemma. She is the tiniest of the spotlight dancers, 4'11" and 40 kgs. And her teeth were protruding a bit forward. Also, her nipples were unusually large and firm like doorknobs. Not sure if that is the one.

FuriousGeorge and others, would be good to hear how you navigated among various girls you were with at the same bar. I remember reading half a year ago, I do not recall who posted, someone saying that 6 days in AC is enough, and now I kind of understand that. The last 2 nights changed things a lot for me once I had to start playing girl politics.[/QUOTE]You tell them upfront you are a "butterfly". After she understands you then you can ask her for her friend or other referrals. If the girl says she is bothered or upset by it I tell her to Stop that crap.

BTW, when you vacation anywhere you usually get a fine meal the first night there and a fine meal during the last night. I always start and end with a high note in AC. I set up a previous performer to meet me the first night in AC. Then I repeat the best new performer for my last night in AC. If I am flying out of Manila then I stay the night before in Manila hotel. Thusly I will transport a good AC performer to Manila with me.

Never had a problem with one going to Manila with me. The last time the girl and her friend wanted to come. No problem with me!

[QUOTE=Volterra;2784389]The new spotlight dancer at Dollhouse was required to stay by the bar, maybe because she was new. Not sure about the Q Bar girl. She and waitress said she could be BFd then the girl said she could not leave til 3. She seemed nervous with the "cousin" sitting right there. But then closing time would not be BF, so I am not sure if she was one of those you are talking about. But I recall a couple others during the week who said they were required to stay til close. Us poor punters.[/QUOTE]I believe Qbar and Lollipop has a rule that after so many girls have been BF then the rest have to stay and dance so there are some girls there. Not sure where they draw the line.

One night I wanted to BF a new girl at Lollipop around 8 pm with very few dancers around. The mamason said none of the girls could BF as there weren't many girls there. After much discussion and I stated I only wanted her for 1 pop ST it was agreed the BF was ok as long as she was back by 10 pm.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2784306]Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?[/QUOTE]Just guessing here. Its possible the pretty one was barfined earlier by a Korean or other who planned to come back and pick up the girl (s) later. She can't leave the bar until he returns. If he doesn't return by closing time, the mama will re-barfine her with you, earning two barfines in one evening. Any drinks she gets while waiting for the first chap to show up is added cash influx. Its been a few years, but I saw a lone Korean barfine 5 girls (1 each for him and his 4 buddies) at the bar opening, tell the mama the guys would return later to pick up the girls, then left. A mama I dated back then confirmed that it happens (early barfine and but not taking the girl until later) in the evening.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2784582]You tell them upfront you are a "butterfly". After she understands you then you can ask her for her friend or other referrals. If the girl says she is bothered or upset by it I tell her to Stop that crap.[/QUOTE]Volterra: I am with DG on this. Early on I experienced the occasional pinay jealousy thing in this or that bar. You can do one of several things:

1) Nervously dance around the issue (as you did), trying not to anger this or that girl.

2) Each time you take a girl from a new bar, stay out of that bar the rest of your trip, so you don't have the chance to make last night's girl jealous by having eyes for another girl in her bar.

3) Tell every girl on her first night with you that you are a butterfly, and make a point to ask her for another girl referral. It doesn't make any difference if she supplies one or not, it lets her know that you are a butterfly.

4) Purposely take another girl in the jealous girl's bar the first time she shows some jealousy / animosity. That lets every girl in the bar know that you think them interchangeable (they are), and that you as a customer are interchangeable to them (you are, if she has the opportunity). I know that sounds harsh, but its not. They are used to being interchanged regularly. You are just another. She is just another. That's the entire joy of many bars with many girls.

AC is a huge mystery of misconceptions to many gents. Doing #3 and / or #4 stops all that jealousy / animosity crap in its tracks.

Go team.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2784306]Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?

I have known dancers etc that, in exchange for high salaries, were required to stay until, say, midnight by the bar. However, that was the exception. It seems to be a new norm in the hunt for more drinks sales.

Of course, replacing lost salary and drinks with 5000 p is the exact reason for a BF but that's another discussion.[/QUOTE]Its impossible to know exactly what's happening in the bars as all bars have different rules that change with the wind.

What is for sure is that many girls are in dance groups that are paid the bigger peso to learn their routines and then perform said routines in the bar or many bars if the bars are owned by a group, these girls are seldom barfineable before their shift ends in the early hours.

As for the other girls, well the girls are fully in charge not the punter, some will and many won't barfine but most that are not in a dance group are free to choose when and with who, girl says no I not barfine, she is either a drinks only girl or has already been barfined and waiting for her customer to return, its not easy to know what the fuck is going on in many bars and with the girls.

As far as girls getting jeleous, what a load of garbage, she fucks several guys per day and she wants to play the jeleous card, bullshit, remind the girl she is the hired help for the night and one is free to fuck where they want, some need to grow some balls it seems.

I will be in PH for my 1st visit in March: Manila and AC for a total of 2 weeks. Reading the posts here has been very helpful in planning and helping me ensure I have a great experience, one (or occasionally two) pussies at a time. Among the posts, Volterra has been killing it with awesome, detailed and very enjoyable reviews. Kudos, Dude. Your experiences demonstrate the truth of the old joke:

Sex is like pizza: When it's good it's really great. And when it's bad. It's still pretty good!

So there's some chat about girls (or mamasans) not accepting a BF until their shift ends or the bar closes (like at 3:00 am). My question: If I have to wait for her end her shift, am I still expected to pay the bar the BF amount? Couldn't I just (clandestinely) get her whatsapp and offer her something less than the BF directly to meet me? I mean I'd rather pay her 3000-3500 and she can keep it all, then pay the bar 4000-5000 and she only gets a 50% cut of that.

I get that this needs to be on the DL, as she will get in trouble with bar if they find out. And I suppose the bar may be pissed at me as well for cutting them out of the deal as well.

I have seen past posts mentioning that once you BF a girl, you can swap contact info and invite her to see you again before / after work or on her day off. That makes sense and I expect I'll use it if I meet a girl I really like.

But what is the BF etiquette for end of shift payments?

Regarding barfining multiple chicks from the same bar. Yes it can be a problem. If you show up to the bar the next day, the the girl may jump off the stage and sit by you and hug you and be excited for another round. Most of us are nice guys and don't want to be a dick and say get lost. If this happens, I recommend you be nice and finish your drink and head to another bar. The more time passes, the less she will be attached. Wait a few days. The next time you show up she might be with another dude and you say Hello, and nod and it's understood that it's all business. This is a big reason why I stayed away form the unpaid civilians. They often will get legitimately pissed when they see you with another girl and try to ruin your vacation. I only did multiple barfines from Lolipop and Q bar. These chicks are a bit more fun and understanding and often very busy, which helps. This is the only trip where I didn't run into any jealousy issues. A couple of chicks did message me 'hey you barfined my friend'. To which I replied 'Oh wow I didn't know that was your friend. '. The End.

Meeting a girl after work. Yes, this is common and pretty easy. The issue is waiting until 3 am for most bars. Gecko's is the best for this because they close at midnight. Exchange info at the bar and they may hit you up after. I roll with a 'business card' with my info that I tuck into their bra wrapped around a 100. Alternately, after a barfine, if I really like a girl, I exchange info after the deed and they usually will hit me up after work for a non-negotiated or much reduced price.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2784741].... A couple of chicks did message me 'hey you barfined my friend'. To which I replied 'Oh wow I didn't know that was your friend. '. The End.

Meeting a girl after work. Yes, this is common and pretty easy. The issue is waiting until 3 am for most bars....[/QUOTE]I'd agree that returning to a bar can be as big or little of a scene as the guy allows it to be. There may be some truth to jealousy, anger, affection etc but the most of it is to get the guy to buy more drinks or another barfine. If extreme emotions deliver this then that's what she will do. If the guy DGAF, then it serves no benefit to her and quickly passes. As usual, no need to be rude to her but equally don't fall for every outburst.

After work a girl will also likely be dog tired, hammered drunk and possibly been fucked several times. Agreeing to meet before work can be a much better time. Cheap Charlie's can just get her number in the bar but more reliable is to BF her once for a trial then swap numbers. Costs and reliability will be much better.

Good thing I learned how to use the bus to get to AC, because I used to always use magaritta stations private car service.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2784303]In 03/2023 Margarita Station will close permanently.

On of the few left western locations and an Institution and sign of the "old" AC will be gone.

And what will come next?

For sure some Korean Restaurant.

[URL]https://www.acmargarita.com/margarita-station-is-planning-to-close-permanently-in-march-2023/[/URL][/QUOTE]

Just BF a girl at DH a few wees ago I believe on a Wednesday and she mentioned that the next day they had dance performance so they had to stay until 9 pm after the performance even if they're BF.

Returned last week Wednesday, and BF her and her co-worker (roommate) for a great 3's. I made sure to avoid the dance route show night she mentioned.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2784306]Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?

I have known dancers etc that, in exchange for high salaries, were required to stay until, say, midnight by the bar. However, that was the exception. It seems to be a new norm in the hunt for more drinks sales.

Of course, replacing lost salary and drinks with 5000 p is the exact reason for a BF but that's another discussion.[/QUOTE]

You gentlemen are badasses! Thanks to all for the very useful advice. You already got me realizing a shitload of things that I got wrong or could have gotten around. Gets me thinking for my next trip. I think the brutal honesty up front (or at least as she walks out the door after the 1st BF session) is the way to go.

Man, name cards with the 100 peso wrapping sounds effective. Going to see if I can get someone to design something origami style and get the 100 bills attached as part of the artistic effect (thrown in at a discount. LOL). Maybe something that tucks into the bra with a bit of french tickler effect. If I manage something, I'll get the patent and maybe share some royalties with you FG.

Damn, didn't even think to pay BF up front for later collection. (I recall at least one of you guys or someone writing about that before. Just that there is so much information to take in when researching all these ISG pages, cannot spit it all back up in my shrinking brain quick enough.) I just didn't want to wait around and get milked for more drinks, only to be told "I feel too tired" BS at 3 am. I will say that in these and a lot of situations, waitress or mamasan were intentionally keeping close watch and sitting annoyingly close without fucking off, as if they were keeping tabs on the girls. Maybe worried they were going to make a deal? I really could not tell whether and when my girl wanted them nearby or was nervous about it.

Speaking of DGAF, back to office hell today and thinking I will start practicing the DGAF philosophy with colleagues so I can exercise my stoic face more forcefully to the go go girls.

MrHappyKat looking forward to reading about the virgin adventure. Also anticipating the new adventures of Sir Lance at any moment. But as always, great to get the wisdom of experience from all (DG, WC, NS, FG, G, et al). Beginning to regain some pride as a dude!

[QUOTE=Volterra;2784814]You gentlemen are badasses! [/QUOTE]Tried to send you a PM with a pic of my Jemma and me, but I don't think you have PM capabilities, and I don't think pics can be attached anyway. Anyway, if you do in the future, hit me up. I'm curious. .

Truthfully I'm glad you had a good time. I've never been to Thailand or really any other destination for sexual shenanigans, but I do love AC and my future vacations will be there, so I will always be an advocate for this dumpy little town in the middle of nowhere.

[QUOTE=JusRide;2784800]Good thing I learned how to use the bus to get to AC, because I used to always use magaritta stations private car service.[/QUOTE]Just a reminder. Margarita Station is closing but the car service will remain open for business as usual.

Hi guys,

I haven't been in The Philippines for a bit over 3 years now. I'm heading there next week and have been reading the forum to get myself updated of what's going on. I read about these "drinks only girls" which I believe have always excisted (maybe more now than before). But is it really so that the customer can't choose the drink he wants to give to the girl anymore? I've mostly spent my days there in Olongapo and atleast there the normal lady drink I used to give was SmL, sometimes Redhorse or by minumum SmAplle / Lemon. No way I feel happy paying 300 php for a glass of cranberryjuice which a) won't make her tipsy b) won't last more than a minute to finish. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=AceKicker;2785340]Hi guys,

I haven't been in The Philippines for a bit over 3 years now. I'm heading there next week and have been reading the forum to get myself updated of what's going on. I read about these "drinks only girls" which I believe have always excisted (maybe more now than before). But is it really so that the customer can't choose the drink he wants to give to the girl anymore? I've mostly spent my days there in Olongapo and atleast there the normal lady drink I used to give was SmL, sometimes Redhorse or by minumum SmAplle / Lemon. No way I feel happy paying 300 php for a glass of cranberryjuice which a) won't make her tipsy b) won't last more than a minute to finish. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Each bar and bg May have their own different policies. Always ask first. I let the girl order whatever she likes to drink. I don't understand the need to get the girl tipsy or drunk? You are paying for her time to sit there with you. The last thing I need is to BF a drunk that wants to party and talk all night. Worse yet, one that passes out on me!