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[QUOTE=Slamcity7777;1173908]My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL![/QUOTE]I would have to agree with you. The problem is that Colombians don't like spicy foods. IMO, you need some spice to make a good meal. The food was just too salty and a bit bland.
Because no one would go and pay for this swill if there was a choice. Even in Miami, where there are millions of Colombians, they do not have many Colombian resturants.
IN N' OUT – IN N' OUT, that's what a hamburger is all about. I would give my eye teeth to have an in and'out here in Cartagena. Taco Bell is coming and most of the fast food restaurants here do not know it yet, but they are doomed. After living here for over 5 years I rarely eat out as even in the best restaurants, the ones that are famous here, the food is average at best. If out back steak house had a franchise here, the best steak houses in all of Colombia could not compete.
9 out of 10 Colombians do not even know how to use an oven. Most restaurants do not have one and even if you were serving something truly of great quality, the Colombian palette is so un sophisticated, they could not eat it. Beans, rice, chard chicken, meat and pork. They even serve calentado for breakfast in most restaurants. That is left over beans and rice from last night. That is all they eat and all they can accept. Over cooked, over salted, over priced. That is a fact, not my opinion.
[QUOTE=Reefski; 1173261]Is this the look you're after? Flaca chocolaté. I had this chick yesterday in Medellin and she hit it out of the park. Great, GREAT session.
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Reef.[/QUOTE]Great foto Reefmeister!
You know I love the morenitas. Chocolates like her!
If she's on the program, I hope you set me up!
Gracias por la foto!
[QUOTE=Cyberdas;1173775]Food sucks in Colombia? It must be relative. To each their own! .[/QUOTE]Well that's the bottom line;"to each their own".
Personally though, I've been to BA (Argentina) , Colombia, and Brazil for that matter, many times over.
Though I'm not a food guru, and food is not my top priority, I'd easily give Argentina the nod for best food.
Colombia, however, wins hands down in the people department, meaning the carino (love and affection) of the people in general, the non-pro regular girls as well as the PFP.
Argentina (BA) is a distant third in that all important category IMO.
Brazil wins as far as sexuality in general goes and the sexual liveliness of the women, no doubt about that.
My, Ricker's list, for what it's worth:
1. Colombia for love and affection, but avoid hair dressers haha (joke) , actually it's easy to spot the gold diggers, just think with the big head first, though easier said than done.
2. Brazil for the best sex and overall sexuality.
3. Argentina for the best steak. Hey I know you can get good sex in Argentina, the scene is well organized for sure, but IMO it's just not as good as either Colombia or Brazil.
Food at high-end restaurants are similar among SA cities, I believe. I like chicas in Colombia but do not have good opinion about the people's behavior in Colombia. Colombians lie all the time, they got used to it and they are not embarrased or feel shame about lies and BS. Also depending upon your race, their attitude to you, thereby your experience in Colombia, differ a lot. Most of you may disagree, but most of you are caucasians, thereby did not experience the way colored people are treated. I am Asian, and "a lot" of people come to me and do weired or stupid things to me. I noticed that they do not do the same to westerner-gringos, or to me when I am with gringos. Young, educated people are nice. But old, drunken guys are absolute losers. Plus, pedestrians on the street are not treated better than cockroaches.
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777; 1173908]My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL!
From your post I can see where the issue of "Food Suck in Colombia" could be viewed as relative. Seeing as how you referenced fast food burger joints, street hot dogs, soda flavor at the movies, wings, pizzas as examples to support your argument; explain to me how this is "Colombian Food" more as it's an import from US-Fast Food Culture."Yeah the wings at Hooters are awesome. Colombia has great food" that's what it sound like you're saying. Corral has good burger granted, but so do fifty million other countries and a million little eateries in those countries. Meat, bun, cheese, fixings, that's it. Not too hard. In-and-Out would BURY Corral alive all day every day and twice on Sunday!
Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK!
That's like saying Morton's The Steak House and McDonalds are in the same league because they both have beef on their menus. I took my novia to a fancy Seafood Joint in Bogota right on Parque 93. I got the Paella (granted not a Colombian dish but one that a Colombian had to conceptualize, taste and put on the menu) it was BLAND and poorly executed, shrimp over cooked, rice undercooked, ect.
I believe most members who share my perspective are referring to the nicer restaurants or actual restaurants in general where you get a COOKED meal and not just something warmed up like a burger or hot dot. Over cooked chicken, poorly executed dishes, miss understood concepts of food, over priced everything, The food sucks in Colombia; well it does if you have desire to eat anything delicious any any real food that is
You do make many valid point about mall culture but most of us mongers stick to the cities, Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, Medellin, all of which are lacking in the immediate area for activities. It is the comment "I hear it is much safer now to travel through" much safer is not totally safe and Me, Myself, and I. We enjoy total safety or as close as we can get in any given environment.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Matt Psyche;1173981]I like chicas in Colombia but do not have good opinion about the people's behavior in Colombia. Colombians lie all the time, they got used to it and they are not embarrased or feel shame about lies and BS. .[/QUOTE]Not true. They only lie when their mouths are moving. My impression is that the rule in Colombia is certainly, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider. There is a simple solution: don't believe anything you are told, and don't have any expectations. If you follow these simple rules you won't be disappointed.
Only good energy!
[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1174006]Not true. They only lie when their mouths are moving. My impression is that the rule in Colombia is certainly, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider. There is a simple solution: don't believe anything you are told, and don't have any expectations. If you follow these simple rules you won't be disappointed.
Only good energy![/QUOTE]LegarTender is spot on."The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider", yes this is the culture and the norm.
Here in the states you are respected and valued in business and in relationships of all sorts when you "let your yes mean yes and your no, no" but in Colombia this straight shooter concept simply does not register in their brains. I have discussed this with my Colombian friends and other gringos who are very familiar with the culture.
The Tall Man
[QUOTE=El Vagabundo; 1173932]Because no one would go and pay for this swill if there was a choice. Even in Miami, where there are millions of Colombians, they do not have many Colombian resturants.
IN N' OUT – IN N' OUT, that's what a hamburger is all about. I would give my eye teeth to have an in and'out here in Cartagena. Taco Bell is coming and most of the fast food restaurants here do not know it yet, but they are doomed. After living here for over 5 years I rarely eat out as even in the best restaurants, the ones that are famous here, the food is average at best. If out back steak house had a franchise here, the best steak houses in all of Colombia could not compete.
9 out of 10 Colombians do not even know how to use an oven. Most restaurants do not have one and even if you were serving something truly of great quality, the Colombian palette is so un sophisticated, they could not eat it. Beans, rice, chard chicken, meat and pork. They even serve calentado for breakfast in most restaurants. That is left over beans and rice from last night. That is all they eat and all they can accept. Over cooked, over salted, over priced. That is a fact, not my opinion.[/QUOTE]El Vag. You must be from SoCal, I also was raised on IN N' OUT and heck there is one a block from my house here in LA. But bro 5 years, wow. The first thing I always do when flying back into LAX is stop at the IN N' OUT right off the 405 in Torrance.
I will confirm that Colombian food sucks! Period, end of story! Bland, salty, absolutely no imagination with it, certainly nothing healthy at all, they eat it just to fill their gut with something, that's what Colombian food is!
I will be in Medellin next week, maybe I should look for a good location for an IN N' OUT in Park Llares, jejejejeje How do you say Double-Double with onions and pickle in espanol.)
The Tall Man
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777;1173908]Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK![/QUOTE]Well I've certainly enjoyed other dishes than only the three you named, such as Ajiaco Bogotano, Cazuela de Mariscos, and Lechona served with envueltos. Are they native to Colombia? I don't know, but I do know that the locals presented them to me as if they were a "proud" dish from their particular region of Colombia. Oh, there's the one I haven't had called La ternera a la llanera o mamona. Again, probably found in other countries in Latin America as well, but with its own Colombian twist. I mean who wouldn't enjoy a festive party amongst family and friends with plenty of drink and veal on a spear cooked over a wood fire?
I can also remember different occasions at different houses where the man of the house brought out his "stash" of hot picante sauce. One time it was when the wife had made a dish that was very similar to what we would call jambalaya, but prepared without any spicy seasoning. He and I both "spiked" our dish with the picante, but the women and children did not (which is not that unusual even in the States). Another time in a totally different household and in a totally different region of Colombia, the wife served sanchocho de pescado and the man of that house also proudly went and retrieved his stash of picante sauce to share with me. Again, the women and children passed on adding the picante to their dish.
While I know that everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, I believe a person can find some delicious fresh, whole food to eat in Colombia. My system responds very well to the absence of the overload of preservatives that are typically more widespread in the standard fare eaten in the States.
If I think back to my last trip to Colombia, let's see there was (among other things) suckling pig, filet mignon topped with blue cheese, veal in a wine sauce, prawns (seasoned and with wine sauce) , large tiger shrimp (seasoned and with a wine sauce) , excellent sushi (tuna, salmon, squid, etc, prepared by a guy hailing from Venezuela and of Japanese descent) , red snapper, calamari, grouper, escargot, sanchocho de pescado, pork tenderloin, more fresh fruit than I can name, delicious homemade soups and homemade fruit juices, etc. My palate certainly didn't feel deprived.
To me, it's kind of what you make of it or are open to, what you expose yourself to, and what you like and dislike. Just a different perspective I suppose.
Great explanation. Probably human taste is developped (and fixed) before one becomes 6-7 yearls old (or much earlier). I lived in louisiana for 10 years, and I saw many "Americans" visiting Louisiana complained about "too hot and too salty" food. Also Louisiana people consider the food in Non-south bland and poor. BTW, I like bread and cakes in Colombia. American cakes are too "sugary" for me. Both American and Colombian beers are poor. But there are some great microbrewed beers in the USA, specially in Cali.
[QUOTE=Hilltopper; 1174033]Well I've certainly enjoyed other dishes than only the three you named, such as Ajiaco Bogotano, Cazuela de Mariscos, and Lechona served with envueltos. Are they native to Colombia? I don't know, but I do know that the locals presented them to me as if they were a "proud" dish from their particular region of Colombia. Oh, there's the one I haven't had called La ternera a la llanera o mamona. Again, probably found in other countries in Latin America as well, but with its own Colombian twist. I mean who wouldn't enjoy a festive party amongst family and friends with plenty of drink and veal on a spear cooked over a wood fire?
I can also remember different occasions at different houses where the man of the house brought out his "stash" of hot picante sauce. One time it was when the wife had made a dish that was very similar to what we would call jambalaya, but prepared without any spicy seasoning. He and I both "spiked" our dish with the picante, but the women and children did not (which is not that unusual even in the States). Another time in a totally different household and in a totally different region of Colombia, the wife served sanchocho de pescado and the man of that house also proudly went and retrieved his stash of picante sauce to share with me. Again, the women and children passed on adding the picante to their dish.
While I know that everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, I believe a person can find some delicious fresh, whole food to eat in Colombia. My system responds very well to the absence of the overload of preservatives that are typically more widespread in the standard fare eaten in the States.
If I think back to my last trip to Colombia, let's see there was (among other things) suckling pig, filet mignon topped with blue cheese, veal in a wine sauce, prawns (seasoned and with wine sauce) , large tiger shrimp (seasoned and with a wine sauce) , excellent sushi (tuna, salmon, squid, etc, prepared by a guy hailing from Venezuela and of Japanese descent) , red snapper, calamari, grouper, escargot, sanchocho de pescado, pork tenderloin, more fresh fruit than I can name, delicious homemade soups and homemade fruit juices, etc. My palate certainly didn't feel deprived.
To me, it's kind of what you make of it or are open to, what you expose yourself to, and what you like and dislike. Just a different perspective I suppose.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hilltopper; 1174033]Well I've certainly enjoyed other dishes than only the three you named, such as Ajiaco Bogotano, Cazuela de Mariscos, and Lechona served with envueltos. Are they native to Colombia? I don't know, but I do know that the locals presented them to me as if they were a "proud" dish from their particular region of Colombia. Oh, there's the one I haven't had called La ternera a la llanera o mamona. Again, probably found in other countries in Latin America as well, but with its own Colombian twist. I mean who wouldn't enjoy a festive party amongst family and friends with plenty of drink and veal on a spear cooked over a wood fire?
I can also remember different occasions at different houses where the man of the house brought out his "stash" of hot picante sauce. One time it was when the wife had made a dish that was very similar to what we would call jambalaya, but prepared without any spicy seasoning. He and I both "spiked" our dish with the picante, but the women and children did not (which is not that unusual even in the States). Another time in a totally different household and in a totally different region of Colombia, the wife served sanchocho de pescado and the man of that house also proudly went and retrieved his stash of picante sauce to share with me. Again, the women and children passed on adding the picante to their dish.
While I know that everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, I believe a person can find some delicious fresh, whole food to eat in Colombia. My system responds very well to the absence of the overload of preservatives that are typically more widespread in the standard fare eaten in the States.
If I think back to my last trip to Colombia, let's see there was (among other things) suckling pig, filet mignon topped with blue cheese, veal in a wine sauce, prawns (seasoned and with wine sauce) , large tiger shrimp (seasoned and with a wine sauce) , excellent sushi (tuna, salmon, squid, etc, prepared by a guy hailing from Venezuela and of Japanese descent) , red snapper, calamari, grouper, escargot, sanchocho de pescado, pork tenderloin, more fresh fruit than I can name, delicious homemade soups and homemade fruit juices, etc. My palate certainly didn't feel deprived.
To me, it's kind of what you make of it or are open to, what you expose yourself to, and what you like and dislike. Just a different perspective I suppose.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. You offer a much more informed response with supportability information.
I like food. I enjoy everything from In-and-Out burgers to Steaks at Peter Lugers to Lobsters and Steamers in Maine. I have worked for more than one guest judge on "Top Chef" and eaten at the restaurants at a dozen more. Not a food snob or a jerk who calls himself a "Foodie" but when a BOLD declaration such as "The Food in Colombia is Good." and street hot dogs, middle of the pack burgers, and a poor representation of pizza are offered as example of good food well. I can't let that ride!
I'm done with talking about food. Back to working girls and the Men who chase them!
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777; 1173908]My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL!
From your post I can see where the issue of "Food Suck in Colombia" could be viewed as relative. Seeing as how you referenced fast food burger joints, street hot dogs, soda flavor at the movies, wings, pizzas as examples to support your argument; explain to me how this is "Colombian Food" more as it's an import from US-Fast Food Culture."Yeah the wings at Hooters are awesome. Colombia has great food" that's what it sound like you're saying. Corral has good burger granted, but so do fifty million other countries and a million little eateries in those countries. Meat, bun, cheese, fixings, that's it. Not too hard. In-and-Out would BURY Corral alive all day every day and twice on Sunday!
Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK!
That's like saying Morton's The Steak House and McDonalds are in the same league because they both have beef on their menus. I took my novia to a fancy Seafood Joint in Bogota right on Parque 93. I got the Paella (granted not a Colombian dish but one that a Colombian had to conceptualize, taste and put on the menu) it was BLAND and poorly executed, shrimp over cooked, rice undercooked, ect.
I believe most members who share my perspective are referring to the nicer restaurants or actual restaurants in general where you get a COOKED meal and not just something warmed up like a burger or hot dot. Over cooked chicken, poorly executed dishes, miss understood concepts of food, over priced everything, The food sucks in Colombia; well it does if you have desire to eat anything delicious any any real food that is
You do make many valid point about mall culture but most of us mongers stick to the cities, Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, Medellin, all of which are lacking in the immediate area for activities. It is the comment "I hear it is much safer now to travel through" much safer is not totally safe and Me, Myself, and I. We enjoy total safety or as close as we can get in any given environment.[/QUOTE]Why thank you, Slamcity7777, for staying civil and for responding accordingly. I'm sure glad things didn't get out of hand even though I detected to have touched on a sensitive nerve with regards to American and Colombian food with you (and others). It's funny to see how out of nowhere this forum turned into heated discussions about cuisines. It's probably good for a change of conversation from the normal and usual. Although I don't understand what I said could have raised such a firestorm. For a moment I thought I had said something negative about Medellin in the MDE forum where those guys there don't play with anything bad being said about Paisas and Medellin. But for the General Discussion area, I was really surprised to see the types of responses that were forthcoming.
In my argument I referenced fast food in comparing that of American with that of Colombian. Since I had mentioned that it was something relative and to each their own. Then my own (speaking from a relative perspective, that is) is that Colombian food does not suck and that in turn, even the fast food from Gringoland that is found in Colombia is for the most part (as I did mention that some places where better than others) better than the grub you find in similar (though not in absolute terms) junk food mills and joints thoughout Sex Prison. I wasn't trying to start any beef with anyone or anything for providing with an opinion in countering your original "Colombian Food Sucks" statement, sir. How can I explained American-imitaded fast food in Colombia as being better than Taco Bell and Inn-and-Out (or rather McDonalds or Burger King as my original examples were)? I really would not know how to scientifically break it down for you if that is what you are looking for here. And I won't either. Screw you! But I can tell you this much, the ingredients that are used in the elaboration of not only imitation junk food but most other foods in Colombia (and most of Latin America including Argentina) are more natural, with less artificial be. S, with salt, sugar, oils that are less harmful to your body and vegetables and what not that are more fresh and that have not been frozen and had so many chemicals added to them for preserving. Thus partly the high levels of obesity in the USA since the opposite is true over here.
I lived in L. A. For over ten years and I won't deny also enjoying a delicious Inn-and-Out burger (I would frequent the one in Westwood down the street from UCLA) or even a Tommy's chilli Burger or a Pink's chilli dog on Melrose Ave and La Brea. How about Tito's Tacos off of Venice Blvd and Sepulveda or El Tepayac in City Terrace (some of the best burritos anywhere) for close to authentic Mexican food. Let me not get into the Chinese, Japanese and Thai food that is found there as well.
Dude, tons of Colombian dishes exist so I don't know where you are getting your grub while mongering in Locombia, but there are plenty of authentic and delicious Colombian plates aside from the Bandeja Paisa such as Lengua Sudada, Posta, Mondongo, morcilla rellena, patacon pisado, higado encebollado, papas chorreadas. The food also changes by region. Along the coasts you will find a lot of seafood but so will you in the Amazons. In the Andean region (the area most frequented by mongerers including yourself) traditional dishes also vary slightly as for example from Medellin to Bogota to Cali.
You find Colombian food to be bland, not prepared with enough spices, over executed, under cooked, miss understood and even overpriced. Wow, my gut reaction to that (to borrow your words) would also have to be "you got to be kidding me!". Dude, so McDonald's, Burger King and Subway must be up your alley in terms of what stands for delicious and real food? Granted, I did enjoy the subway sandwiches in Oviedo Mall in Medellin and the McDonald's coffee and ice cream cones (an American imitation?) with arequipe are worth a trip to any McDonald's in Colombia for (though probably not to be consumed in combination). The good thing is that Taco Bell will be arriving in Colombia soon and if the TLC passes approval in Congress, then perhaps the ingredients and food used for preparing dishes in Colombia will be American and therefore they might come close to meeting your palate standards. Don't want to go mongering where only the women are edible but not the food. That wouldn't be a good thing, now would it? But perhaps in keeping with the American fast food tradition and culture, you would have to stick to the very few expatriate food joints in Colombia to help you R&R from mongering. Unless you go vegan and survive on a liquid and canned food diet only.
And as far as you and yourself sticking to the all-too familiar destinations of Cali, Bogota, Medellin because of total safety concerns. Stay there. Or better yet and for total safety, stay at home instead where you won't go wrong with the food and awesome fast food junk and honest and good white Americans as opposed to those lying and deceitful Colombians. Most of those mentioned Colombian cities are going downhill a la Costa Rica and Mexico style because of so many gringos (no offense intended to all gringos here) who drive up the prices (along with the mafiosos) for just about everything. Including mongering and the overpriced food you mentioned. As I posted previously, it is exactly these kind of places that I will be steering clear from as me, myself and I will go to where the food is either caught and prepared right away or because of lack of knowledge, culture or resources, will be (to borrow your words once again) bland, not prepared with enough spices, over executed, under cooked, miss understood and even overpriced. And this has been to me my own! I don't expect people to agree with me even though I suspect the majority of Colombianos (including the chicas you monger with) would. But then again, this is a forum for (mostly) white people to share information about mongering and the like so probably little meaning will my opinions carry with the cyber population here.
[QUOTE=El Vagabundo;1173932]9 out of 10 Colombians do not even know how to use an oven. Most restaurants do not have one and even if you were serving something truly of great quality, the Colombian palette is so un sophisticated, they could not eat it.[/QUOTE]Is that why my Colombiana did not know how to light the oven and she loves my cooking?
I'd like to say what I do like about Colombian food. Its the side dishes on the plate beside the main dish.
Its the veggies and salad (cole slaw?) , rice and beans, Plantain and patacons. All healthy stuff.
The main dishes are another matter. 4 main categories: carne, chicken, pork and fish. Mostly its a cheap cut of beef and pork. Tilapia, or Robalo for the fish. But the helpings are big and filling.
There's a whole thread for Colombian Food, [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3118-Colombian-Food[/url]
Some Colombian food they get right, others not even close. The food while NOT bland has many of the same spices. It will never hold a candle to PERU though as far as quality and variety or ARGENTINA for its wines and meats products.