FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2831893]Did not see Catalea for the last 2 weeks at least. Brenda is still there but leaves around 8 pm, maybe as late as 10 pm. If she is working she will always be on the left side of the bar close to opening time. In the morning, she will probably be the best body in the club. Would cannot miss her if you arrive early.[/QUOTE]Maybe I saw her but since I don't know what she looks like, it's kinda hard. Is it the tallish woman with glasses and a very average face?

So remains to find this damn Catalea who everybody talks about. When she will be back and if I have any idea what she looks like.

[QUOTE=SethiatSpace;2831863]True. Also it doesn't matter one bit as Moldova is Romania, just with a different fancy name. They speak Romanian and you'd be hard pressed to find any difference between them in looks.

It's like saying a girl from Transnistria is not Moldavian, she is Transnistrian. I mean ok maybe technically if you want but as far as look and mentality goes, Romanian = Moldavian = Transnistrian.[/QUOTE]Moldavian is from republic of Moldavia which is different than Romania which include a part of past Moldavia.

[QUOTE=SethiatSpace;2831492]If you want a very tall one, Yasmine in Samya / Cologne is 1 m80 as per herself. 2 m with 20 cm heels, she looks like a giant.[/QUOTE]Katalea is also close to 1,80 . Kelli ex Palace and Sharks now at Globe is 1,85 , impressive body but a small pussy. Funny some tall can t take a real and hard size and some in 1,60 have much higher vagina potential. Romanians are not the best for vagina potential, peste / pimp may really be asian size.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2831708] Interesting is that even though I saw significantly more customers compared to the previous week, several girls complained about it being worse than the previous Wednesday. When I asked one girl how she did not make any rooms on a fairly busy night, she said that she doesn't fuck for 50 euro, a common thing girls say a Sharks. But after seeing one guy she just turned down take another girl to a room, she said, "there are 10 new girls everyday, they fuck for nothing". So the customers are pushing back on pricing and apparently the 100 euro half hour has not been universally conceded especially as new talent arrives.

Another note, I've generally defended the the effect of international mongers on pricing but since I noticed the international guys with whom I spoke happily paying the 100 e half hour rate and now hearing the 50 euro push back from the locals, hopefully you other fly-in guys can take note of their example.

Every 100 euro half hour and every 200 euro full hour room contributes to the price extortion that apparently locals are resisting. You international guys do with that observation as you wish.

But full disclosure, this all may be easy for me to say as I was a decently big spender on my visits, taking mostly longer rooms. At Sharks, Zero 30 minute rooms, only 2 one hour rooms, and several rooms for over 90 minutes. But you know what? All but one of my rooms were great rooms and when I averaged it all out, my half hour rate turned out to be 67 e.

Anything but the 100 e rate, so Fight the good fight guys.[/QUOTE]

This is good news on the 100 e rate being beaten back. I would love for it to return to 50, but I would be fine if things went back to normal with a compromise 75 e rate. Inflation is real after all and happy girls are a good thing for everyone. Guys get laid, girls are making money.

Right now, guys aren't getting laid as much, and the only girls making money are the superstars. There's got to be an economic model for this. Maybe it's like sports: Stars making bank while junior players starving means the game doesn't grow as well and that's worse for the team owners. But maybe it's not exact... while millions can flock to watch Ronaldo at the same time and enjoy his work, the ability of Catalea to do that is not the same.

How will this fight proceed and how do more guys help end the 100 e rate? More girls arriving seems to be one factor. Where are they coming from? Ukraine?

How can locals help the international guys resist? Would the locals be more willing to help the international guys find the 50 e girls? Or is that unlikely, since if a girl is known as 50 e, her colleagues will pressure her to demand more?

Ultimately, I think the power may be in the hands of the club, just as they used to enforce good conduct by not allowing scammers to work, they can enforce a better rate by not allowing girls who charge too much. In the days after the pandemic, the club may not have had so much power since the girl supply was low, but if more girls come, then maybe they can enforce the 50 e or 75 e rate again.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2831708]Every 100 euro half hour and every 200 euro full hour room contributes to the price extortion that apparently locals are resisting. You international guys do with that observation as you wish.[/QUOTE]Whether it's extortion or not depends on what you're getting for the money and time allotted. For example, I don't think 200 euros for a full hour would be extortion if that included a straight fuck plus anal sex. I would pay that and not feel that I overpaid at all. It all comes down to what you're getting in terms of services for the price and time spent in the room, and there can be lots of different combinations that yield fair value for the monger.

In other words, I don't think that any one price in and of itself is tantamount to extortion. I've always been about fair pay for a fair fuck. And these days, it seems that negotiation skills are more important than ever! We all have our red lines. I don't pay for kissing ever, and I don't pay extra to get a little massage action thrown in. Everyone has different needs. Know what's important to you (and not) and negotiate (friendly and casually) for the best deal. What you think is a deal maybe somebody else may not. Well, these are the breaks!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2832153]For example, I don't think 200 euros for a full hour would be extortion if that included a straight fuck plus anal sex. I would pay that and not feel that I overpaid at all.[/QUOTE]Of course not, because that would be the old (pre-2020) rate:

2 x 30 minutes for 50 Euros each: 100 Euros.

1 extra (anal) for: 100 Euros.

Total: 200 Euros.

So yes, I do agree with EA on this one: asking 200 Euros for a simple Fuck & Suck with barely any good kissing is extortion or price gouging, because that's more or less reality on the ground in 2023.

For relevance: what's the last time you were in Sharks?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2832151]

How can locals help the international guys resist? Would the locals be more willing to help the international guys find the 50 e girls? Or is that unlikely, since if a girl is known as 50 e, her colleagues will pressure her to demand more?

Ultimately, I think the power may be in the hands of the club, just as they used to enforce good conduct by not allowing scammers to work, they can enforce a better rate by not allowing girls who charge too much. In the days after the pandemic, the club may not have had so much power since the girl supply was low, but if more girls come, then maybe they can enforce the 50 e or 75 e rate again.[/QUOTE]I've said for a long time that if the club wanted the girls to charge less they could certainly influence them much more than they do now. Yes the club claims the girls work independently which of course they do but they do have more control than they admit. However with high attendance figures for males and females entering the Club they aren't too concerned, a greatly reduced level of admissions would soon see some positive action.

I'm one of the customers who lives outside Germany although I visit the club fairly regularly, between 8-10 times a year. I never pay 150/30 minutes or 200/60 minutes on principle but I do pay 150/60 minutes simply because there are so few girls I've found who charge the old pre pandemic rates. I only know of 4 ladies, not obviously stunners but regards service they are generally excellent. Most international visitors can't find any girls charging these rates so they have little option but to pay the new rates, I'm sure everyone would prefer to pay less in an ideal world.

I agree with many that I don't begrudge an increase for the girls as the cost of living increases have affected us all but 75/30 minutes & 120 or 130 for 60 minutes would be more acceptable.

I can't see a price reduction in general ever happening.

Although we can't name names because the girls would probably receive pressure from the other ladies I would like to know how many ladies other forum members know of who charge lower rates??

How does one say "hugging and groping"? I want to ask for that before sex. I want to bypass any language barriers. What should that cost?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2832153]Whether it's extortion or not depends on what you're getting for the money and time allotted. For example, I don't think 200 euros for a full hour would be extortion if that included a straight fuck plus anal sex. I would pay that and not feel that I overpaid at all. It all comes down to what you're getting in terms of services for the price and time spent in the room, and there can be lots of different combinations that yield fair value for the monger.

In other words, I don't think that any one price in and of itself is tantamount to extortion. I've always been about fair pay for a fair fuck. And these days, it seems that negotiation skills are more important than ever! We all have our red lines. I don't pay for kissing ever, and I don't pay extra to get a little massage action thrown in. Everyone has different needs. Know what's important to you (and not) and negotiate (friendly and casually) for the best deal. What you think is a deal maybe somebody else may not. Well, these are the breaks![/QUOTE]Extortion was not the most accurate word to use. Price gouge is more accurate but that didn't roll off the tongue like extortion.

Yes, higher price for nonstandard prices is justified but that is not what is being discussed. We are talking about girls doubling the base half hour rate without offering extra services in return. One girl who called herself Rose even asked for 150 e for 30 m good service and 100 e for basic service. Or girls deliberately sabotaging a 150 e hour room, promising only good service for 200 an hour. Or maybe they'll take the 150 e hour but still try to cheat you on time, attempting to end at 40-45 minutes. This happened with my one bad room where she took the room at 3 am knowing that her ride was already there. What a boner killer. The point is, even with paying higher prices, you still are not guaranteed a proper session.

On a somewhat related note, I had a separate issue with Khalid, the masseuse at Sharks. I've known the guy for 8 years and make an appointment or two on every visit. I even took a long 90 minute massage with him the previous week. This time, I asked for a one hour massage and he said it was finished after what seemed to be a rather short massage. I looked at my phone to verify the time I sent a message immediately prior to the massage and indeed it was just half an hour. I asked him a second time to verify if it was one hour and he still said yes. He saw me send the message prior starting so I showed him the time stamp and of course he did not argue.

It's getting ridiculous that even the massage guy is trying to rip people off. Fuck that guy.

Anyway, your 1 hour with Anal will be quoted at least 250 e and perhaps even more once they know you're a client with deep pockets.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2832213]How does one say "hugging and groping"? I want to ask for that before sex. I want to bypass any language barriers. What should that cost?[/QUOTE]In German? Most girls speak better English than German, especially the younger ones. So if they don't know it in English, good chance they don't know it in German either.

So just say in simple English terms, something like "touch and play with your body. ".

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2832151]...

Ultimately, I think the power may be in the hands of the club, just as they used to enforce good conduct by not allowing scammers to work, they can enforce a better rate by not allowing girls who charge too much. In the days after the pandemic, the club may not have had so much power since the girl supply was low, but if more girls come, then maybe they can enforce the 50 e or 75 e rate again.[/QUOTE]The new prostitution law prohibits clubs from dictating rates. Clubs must tread very carefully on this.

[QUOTE=XXL;2832225]The new prostitution law prohibits clubs from dictating rates. Clubs must tread very carefully on this.[/QUOTE]Oh I had no idea this clause existed. I saw this account in the Oase thread though, does that mean Oase was wrong?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2812559[/URL]#post2812559.

"A chinese dude was in front of me, first timer. Girl at reception told him he should pay 50 euros /30 min. Interesting, maybe they'll slowly try to enforce this again. ".

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2832213]How does one say "hugging and groping"? I want to ask for that before sex. I want to bypass any language barriers. [/QUOTE]Saying "hugging and groping" in Romanian? You're afraid of a "language barrier" for some basic terms that every WG knows or that you could easily describe?

Dude, by even [B]asking[/B] such stupid questions to a WG you will make yourself look like a complete fucking idiot in her eyes, and you'll identify yourself as a total Simp ready to be ripped off.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2832213]What should that cost?[/QUOTE]Dude, were you some born yesterday? Are you serious?

Of course hugging and groping (tits, pussy and ass) is included, it's part of fucking someone! It's part of what people do in an FKK club: fucking! Have you ever fucked a woman?

I never met a WG who's ass, legs, tits or pussy I couldn't touch, but of course many girls want you to be gentle with her pussy. Unfortunately quite a few girls nowadays won't allow fingering (many men are pigs who don't even wash their hands after taking a shit, so understandably they don't want those disgusting fingers in their pussy and get an infection) so if if you like fingering her pussy then you better negotiate this beforehand.

[QUOTE=XXL;2832225]The new prostitution law prohibits clubs from dictating rates. Clubs must tread very carefully on this.[/QUOTE]That's quite a bold statement and I doubt that it's true, but perhaps you're right. Please give us a link and show us the [U]relevant[/U] section of the law instead of just vague insinuations.

On top of that, there is no law that prevents a club from refusing certain girls that 'do not fit into the overall concept. '.

Girls don't have an [U]automatic right[/U] to enter Sharks, and like ANY other club, bar or restaurant, they can easily refuse certain people (misbehaving men, or overcharging girls) entry.

Have you ever been to Sharks (or any other club) and seen fully dressed new girls waiting near the entrance, hoping to be able to work in that particular club? Well, if it was so 'difficult' to dictate prices or service levels, then those girls would just pay their 110 Euros entrance fee, get a locker key, walk in and get to work ripping off customers with ludicrous prices, right?

The problem is IMHO that this Turkish guy who runs Sharks is quite a weak leader, to [U]both[/U] men and women. Certain men (hint: especially during the weekends when it's not Ramadan) make a complete mess and act like total slobs (just look at the changing rooms, the restaurant area, or in the sauna), while certain women are allowed to rip people off. Most of the staff doesn't care, and no selection is made at the entrance. This is the biggest problem at Sharks IMHO.

It's a pity that GT burned down, because that was a good example of a well-managed club; great and consistent service, very few rip-offs or upselling practices, clean changing rooms, spotless restaurant area, friendly staff asking specific questions about which girls you had sex with and how it was etc.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2832232]Oh I had no idea this clause existed. I saw this account in the Oase thread though, does that mean Oase was wrong?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2812559[/URL]#post2812559.

"A chinese dude was in front of me, first timer. Girl at reception told him he should pay 50 euros /30 min. Interesting, maybe they'll slowly try to enforce this again. ".[/QUOTE]Yes, Oase desk always told starting at 50 per 30 with girls who fucked their own business and most at Sharks followed this example and now crying about no business, when much better value and prettier than 90% , elsewhere.