Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594212]If I wasn't sure, it seems you are saying t is hard to good time in BKK.[/QUOTE]I think that depends. If you are a first timer and you are a newbie to mongering then you will probably be thrilled as you have nothing to compare it to. But for most guys who have lived here for a time the P4 P scene is not that much fun anymore. Even my friends who were more hardcore than me (and I was out 4 to 5 nights a week for over 7 years) rarely hit the bars anymore. It has changed that much. And to top it off has gotten quite expensive to boot.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594164]However, I suggest you look at a few demographic studies. In fact, somebody posted one to Stickman's site a while ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. It had a very cogent analysis, along with visual aids. The cold, hard, fact of the matter is that the birth rate in Thailand has dropped through floor. Fewer girls mean fewer girls in the P4 P industry, no matter how you want to sugar coat it.

Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.[/QUOTE]The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. If you looked at figures comparing 1999 to 2014 the number would probably be even larger.

Even with a minimum wage up to 300 baht per day now, I'm sure a lot of ladies would prefer to make ten times that for sitting around most of the day doing nothing, as opposed to hard labour in a factory or in the burning sun of rice fields, etc.

There is also the matter of supply & demand. With 2 or 3 times as many tourists coming to LOS in the 2010's compared to 15 years ago, there are probably 2 or 3 times as many tourists looking for sex with Thai P4 P gals.

Moreover the number of other foreigners living in Thailand, such as businessmen & retirees, seeking such "happy ending" services has likely also gone up significantly since 1999.

I'd suggest that if one tracked the estimates of organizations that research prostitution in Siam, you'ld find a huge increase in the numbers of "working girls" since the HIV heyday of the 1990's.

Girls have way more "working options" than they had before. There is, for example, numerous so-called dating sites, escort listings, craigslist, backpage & many others that didn't exist 10 or 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1594203]Could not agree with you more.[/QUOTE]Any time I went by Nana car park recently, the numbers of girls was well down from previous years (going back 20 years), however the quality of looks was better than I ever saw before, on one occasion. I think I had just exited Annies, or similar.

I don't pass there very often, so not necessarily a representative sample. Generally I am not doing freelancers any more. Years ago, yes, sometimes.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594164]
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.
[/QUOTE]Arguable, absolutely. In fact a dumb statement. The economy booming?

There are plenty of girls just starting as newbies in a bar, who were previously at some street food stand, or similar. The level of customers was very disturbed by all the protests that were going on in Bangkok and outside Bangkok. The economy was not booming. The prices for rubber dropped through the floor. They simply were not getting enough money to make ends meet. Could have been suburb of Bangkok like Minburi or further up country like Suphanburi.

They start in the bar and sometimes only last a short time, as they don't like the work. In other cases, they keep coming back because they are making more money, and they can't do without that. Some are working the bar intermittently to fill in the money gaps. Can they think of some other job, without education that will provide the same bare minimum money needed to pay the bills? No.

Are they the Dregs? Well in terms of lacking a good education, they may be, but this has always been the case. No change there. Are there any good quality girls, for looks and overall character? Yes there are, not always in the same girl though. I don't bother to get to know the real "dregs" in a bar. In my case I would rate 50% of the young bar girls or more as over weight. That is the "dregs" for me. I don't care how well educated they are.

I did not go get a girl for the purpose of deep conversation. Its for sex. So looks and willingness to have fun is what matters.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1594245]And to top it off has gotten quite expensive to boot.[/QUOTE]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1594296]The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. If you looked at figures comparing 1999 to 2014 the number would probably be even larger.
[/QUOTE]Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.

I don't know if this link will work or not:

[URL]http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25[/URL]

You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594341]Arguable, absolutely. In fact a dumb statement. The economy booming?

There are plenty of girls just starting as newbies in a bar, who were previously at some street food stand, or similar. The level of customers was very disturbed by all the protests that were going on in Bangkok and outside Bangkok. The economy was not booming. The prices for rubber dropped through the floor. They simply were not getting enough money to make ends meet. Could have been suburb of Bangkok like Minburi or further up country like Suphanburi.

They start in the bar and sometimes only last a short time, as they don't like the work. In other cases, they keep coming back because they are making more money, and they can't do without that. Some are working the bar intermittently to fill in the money gaps. Can they think of some other job, without education that will provide the same bare minimum money needed to pay the bills? No.

Are they the Dregs? Well in terms of lacking a good education, they may be, but this has always been the case. No change there. Are there any good quality girls, for looks and overall character? Yes there are, not always in the same girl though. I don't bother to get to know the real "dregs" in a bar. In my case I would rate 50% of the young bar girls or more as over weight. That is the "dregs" for me. I don't care how well educated they are.

I did not go get a girl for the purpose of deep conversation. Its for sex. So looks and willingness to have fun is what matters.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate[/URL]

In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.

[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]You are NOT IN the US.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594494]Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.

I don't know if this link will work or not:

[URL]http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25[/URL]

You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail right on the head!

An analysis of Thailand's changing demographics requires looking at birth rates and mortality rates. Birth rates are declining, but the population increases because there is a larger drop in mortality rates. Your first sentence speaks directly to this point. More and more Thais are aging longer and longer. There are fewer young people and more middle age and elderly people in Thailand's growing population.

There are also more and better employment opportunities, at least in Bangkok. One of the ladies I spent considerable time with on the trip I just completed told me she could easily find a job paying B20K a month. She's a smart lady with good English skills but has little formal education. She said this is about how much she budgets for herself to live on in Bangkok; but she went into the P4P industry to send money home to rebuild her families house that was destroyed in a flood. She needs an income she can only make selling her body to have enough to live on and pay for the house her family is building.

[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]There is ample information on this and other websites on ST and LT costs for gogo bar girls and freelancers. You can also find mass transit (BTS and MRT) costs on the internet. Typing "Bangkok taxi fares" into Google will give you an idea of how much taxis will cost. Food costs depend on where you want to eat, for example sidewalk stands versus tourist restaurants. Again lot's of info available through Google searches. You can also find US$ to baht exchange rates on the internet. Divide the prices in baht by the dollar to baht exchange rate (which should be something around 32) and you will have the cost in dollars. Don't worry. It's not rocket science. It just takes a little research and some basic arithmetic. Of course this does require an investment of a small amount of time and a very little bit of work.

[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]As your question is not very specific, the answer will be very rough too.

ST (about 1 to 2 hours, one pop) anything beween 30 USD (1000 baht) to 90 USD (3000 baht).

LT (one night, 1 or 2 pops before sleeping, one pop in the morning) anything between 75 USD (2500 baht) to 150 USD (5000 baht).

A whole day? I have no idea, I *guess* about 150 USD (5000 baht) should be enough. Food is cheap in Thailand: take her to a food court and for the two of you (breakfast, lunch and dinner) 30 to 40 USD will be fine, a bit more if you drink alcohol of course. Transportation by public transport is cheap: 10 dollar will take you a long way.

my first night on the town was thursday, 12 june. curfew had not ended so i headed out for soi cowboy and crazy house at about 7 pm. as i walked past thermae i couldn't help but notice a good crowd of well dressed and very good looking young ladies were gathered outside. soi cowboy was dead. went into dollhouse, suzy wong and baccara. baccara had a decent crowd of japanese gents. the stage was full; the ladies were mostly pretty and naked; but the mood was subdued. i entered with no intension of staying. dollhouse and suzy wong were dead; one or two other customers; a smaller contingency of ladies on stage than i expected. all wore nothing but long faces. my entrance did not significantly improve the mood. i quickly left each establishment.

crazy house was a different story. it was mostly full of customers. i noticed about three open chairs; moved to the back just in front of the ladies waiting to go on stage and took a seat. the stage was packed. most ladies were nude. a few wore g-strings. i watched two lineups. the quality of the lineups lived up to my best expectations. i did not see one lady whom i did not find attractive. there was also a lively mood. while some of the ladies wore the zombie faces common among gogo girls, many were joking, laughing and having fun on stage. a few of the ladies from the alternate lineup were either sitting with customers or roaming the floor. all of these ladies wore nothing but their birthday suits. as each walked past me i got my balls caressed and a lot of bare skin rubbed against me. most enjoyable.

as other have reported, a few of the girls clearly looked ****. i would guess they were about 15. as i mentioned in my first report a couple of days ago, i got into a brief discussion with an employee who, sensing i disapproved, rather haughtily acknowledged that a couple of the ladies were that young. neither of us were in any mood to continue our conversation so he left and in a few minutes one of the mamasans, named pa, approached me. we hit it off and got into a discussion about the curfew. she said they were opening early, drawing a good crowd, but the number of bar fines was way down. she then asked if i was interested in one of the ladies. i answered that i was interested in most of the ladies and i needed her to help me narrow it down. she then asked if i wanted young versus old and big versus small breasts. i told her not too young and i preferred natural breasts. she then asked how i liked #32. number 32 appeared all natural and was one of the happy, animated ladies on stage whom several of the other younger looking ladies seemed to orbit around. pa told me at 31 she was one of the oldest ladies in the club. pa added that her english is excellent, she has a lot of experience and is a fun and happy lady. her behavior on stage confirmed that. i then told pa it was getting late, it was about 9 pm, so i'd like to see her as soon as her set is done. as #32 walked off the stage pa approached her. both looked over at me and #32 got a big smile on her face. cutting to the chase, i bought her and a friend of hers a lady drink, then settled the tab and headed out for my hotel.

in the room we chatted for a bit and then got down to business. the young lady told me her name was pen, which she pronounced like someone from the usa would say pin. said she was from issan, had worked in bangkok and pattaya for about ten years. got into the business because she had two children and a bum for a husband who liked to smack her around. she got rid of him and started dancing and fucking to support the kids who lived with mom. she had spent the last year in hua hin where she had a sponsor. when he stopped paying a couple of months ago she headed to bangkok. she lamented the paucity of bar fines; claimed the last one was 10 days ago, which meant she had very little money and was very horny. as you can tell, pen was very talkative. her english was excellent. who knows how much of her story was true. fortunately the one part that seemed to be true was that she was very horny, or a very good actress; but as she was wet before i even touched her, i'm inclined to believe she was in deed very horny. summing up the sex: good dfk, really got into daty, gave a cbj but aggressively so it was not bad. fucking was her forte; many positions; a couple of orgasms; and kept wanting more. one surprise was she really got into me playing with her ass. enjoyed having first a finger and then both of my thumbs in her asshole while i fucked her doggy, but i'll be damn, she wouldn't take my dick in her ass, and i was wearing a condom. another surprise was she had no interest in two toys i brought on the trip. one was an anal probe: a semi-rigid shaft with graduated sized balls on it with vibration. the other was an ina 2 by lelo. her remark was something like i don't need a vibrator, i've got your cock. i suppose that should have made me feel good, but i enjoy alternating fucking and toy play, trying to make women squirt or at least cumming until they are exhausted. we sucked and fucked from 9:30 pm to about 11:30 pm. over all she was a fun lady and a very good fuck. i gave her 2500 plus 100 for a taxi. if you think that was too much, sorry. i've written before, i'm fortunate, a few hundred baht are inconsequential to me; and i did believe her when she said she had few bar fines since arriving in bangkok. got her number before she left. i ended up calling her the next morning and arranged for her to come over at 2 pm before work. she said she had to be at crazy house by 4:30. she showed up a few minutes early; and we had another great 2 hour session. i paid her the same, minus the 100 for a taxi and we walked towards crazy house. on the way i asked if she was hungry. surprise, she said yes and that she knew where we should eat. just before reaching crazy house she led me into a store front past an open kitchen into a dining room. the name of the place was the love scene. pen said it was open 24/7 and popular with the ladies in and around soi cowboy. the food was okay; they had beer and whisky; the prices were reasonable; i could sit there, eat and watch the world cup at 4 am so i made many subsequent visits; and 4 am turned out to be a fairly busy time.

pen liked to pose nude so i took many photos. here are two for your enjoyment. she said she was cool with me posting them on isg.

Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul. I liked the talent level and the attitude of the girls.

I brought my brand new Lelo Mia 2 along on the trip and thought I would give it a try, but I kind of forgot to take it out of the suitcase the entire 7 weeks I was on the road. LOL. I guess I am an old fashioned guy and it is hard to change my ways. I like to use my hands, my mouth and my tongue on young Asian girls.

Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. I take my favorite Go Go girl there all the time. It is kind of our place. Here is a sample dinner we had there one night: raw giant clams, sea bass in lemon grass broth, and stir fried morning glory. It makes me homesick for BKK.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1594592]Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul.

Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. [/QUOTE]Yeh, I liked the Love Scene. When I'm back in the late fall I'm going to ask if they have a frequent diner program.

Pen left me just before 5pm. I hung around the Love Scene and ordered some more food. I let Pen do the orders we shared. I told her to order a couple of things for me that were not too spicy. She said no problem. Well, I did have a problem. We clearly have different ideas of what too spicy means. In fairness to her, I did try some of the items she ordered for herself and they were unbearably hot for me. I ended up offering her my food, which she eagerly gobbled done. After she left I ordered some chicken fried rice, ate, drank a couple of bottles of Chang and watched TV, not understanding a word being said during the program. About 6 pm I left the Love Scene and walked around Soi Cowboy. I had told Pen not to expect me at Crazy House that night. I walked around until it got dark and then started to drop in on random Soi Cowboy gogos, not paying any particular attention to which ones I visited. Cow was dead; the gogos were dead; the girls might as have well been dead. Ended up in Suzy Wong which was surprisingly lively. There were a couple of other customers. A couple more came and went while I was there. The lineup looked better than I recall in December. All naked ladies. No absolute beauties, but several girls were very fuckable. The ladies actually seemed to be having fun. I watched one line up, a staged show and another lineup. After some vacillation I decided I would bar fine one of the girls. My only question was which one. As I was cogitating on the subject a young lady walked up to me and asked if she could sit next to me. I looked at her. She was buck naked. I said sure. Her name was Bua and wore #47, or at least I'm pretty sure that was her name and number. If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tone.

Once she sat down I asked her why she wanted to sit with me, after all I said, there are other guys in here sitting alone. Why me? She replied, "You look relaxed and have a nice smile on your face. " My retort was, "How could I not smile with so many pretty, naked ladies on stage. " Some chit chat followed. I told her she had a gorgeous body. She replied, "Boobs too small;" and she proceeded to show me the scars under her armpits explaining the size boobs she wants will require an incision on the underside of her breasts. I exclaimed, "Don't do that. They're big enough. " She looked at me like that was an odd thing to say.

She didn't ask for a lady drink, so I got right to the point, ST or LT and how much? To my surprise she said in a very matter of fact tone, "Either and I want 2000 for ST and 4000 for LT. " I then asked her if she had eaten dinner; it was probably around 8pm; and if she liked to watch movies. My second question took her by surprise. After a moment of silence I said, "Let's go over to Terminal 21, check the movie times and get some dinner. Immediately she got a big grin on her face, practically shouted out yes, and jumped up saying she would go get dressed. I suggested we could just go as we are. I don't think she got it.

For a 63 year old fart with serious and highly cultivated artistic tastes who is into serious Academy Awards films, art house flics and Pink Panther movies the pickings were slim. Actually, there was nothing I had any interest in. I told Bua to choose. She picked the X-Men. Oh boy. :rolleyes: Noting the time, we went looking for dinner. Bua wanted Japanese. Unfortunately every Japanese restaurant we went to had a long wait, except for the one we finally ate at. As we hurriedly ate, it became clear why that restaurant did not have a long wait. So, slurp, slurp, chomp, chomp, run, run and we made it to the movie just in time to pay our respects to the king. Bua enjoyed the film. I slept through most of it. But she left the theater very happy, which was the whole point.

It was after 11pm when we got back to my room. We stripped. I admired her body some more. Then we jumped into the shower where she washed me very sensually. Then it was into the bed for a more than decent romp. Bua was not particularly into DFK or DATY, but she gave a fine BBBJ followed by a very nice fuck. After the BBBJ and before the fuck she said, "You big, but not too big, I like. " Whatever, I'll take a complement, even if I don't necessarily believe it's genuine. Actually, on this trip too often I encountered ladies who said I was too long for them and I had to be careful. Shit, it sure turned me one to hear that just as I was about to stick it in. In fact, Bua did seem to like my cock.

So whether Bua was rewarding me for treating her to a film or just likes to fuck, we had a good time. For the most part all she was interested in was a hard cock in her pussy and a lot of vigorous fucking in multiple positions. No anal. In fact she wouldn't let my fingers anywhere near her asshole. She also had no interest in my toys. Boo hoo! :( But she was a good fuck and had a couple of pretty good orgasms. She wasn't very vocal, but sure got into the motion.

After fucking for a good hour we feel asleep with her cuddled up next to me. Before going to sleep I turned the A/C down. I think she was cold and found my body throws off lots of heat. We woke in the morning, attended to our oral hygiene and had another round of fucking and sucking. Afterwards we showered and dressed. I suggested we walk over to Cafe@8 and have some breakfast. I go there a few times every trip. The ladies always recognize me. On my first visit this trip I was surprised to discover they have torn out the front making it open air. I liked the A/C better, but I'm sure it saves on the overhead and they are able to seat a few more people. Before leaving the room I paid Bua the 4000 and gave her a 500 tip. She was very happy. Of course she also got a couple of free meals, watched a move and got 100 for a taxi home. I was happy too. She turned out to be a very nice young lady, whose company I enjoyed, and a very nice fuck. And damn, what a body. If she was only a little taller. Unfortunately, no photos. She claims no one back in Issan has any idea what she does for a living. I felt like asking her if anyone back home wondered how and why her boobs got so big.