Angeles City

[QUOTE=Goferring;2793271]Dude, we get it: You see your Korean business partners hit the town and score hotties at will and you are unable to get one at any cost, despite living there for years. It must be disappointing to see that others don't have the same problem.

Can I respectfully make a suggestion? If you don't like AC, then leave for somewhere you do like. It's not rocket science. Don't give me 'but I came here to set up a a business not to monger'. You don't select the horemongering centre of the universe as a place of business by accident. I'm sure there were many civilian cities within and outside PI to make your widgets.

As for demanding proof via photos, who cares? The guys spent their cash for girls that they found attractive and had a great time. Who am I to argue that their cutie was a 2 or a 9? Remember that while you want evidence of good looks, you are insisting that guys are picking up only old and fat women without doing the same. I'm taking the writers at their word and your recommendation of checking YouTube shows many guys with lookers on their arm..[/QUOTE]With due respect, picking up a business that cost millions of pesos to buy premises, set up and millions more to train staff is not cost effective to move and start again unless you are offering the money to do so.

As far as getting laid, I think you will find that most all guys who live in Angeles have a live in girlfriend and plenty of phone numbers to lovers that have nothing to do with prostitution, so not exactly going without pussy of much higher quality than the bars. So in such I am happy to visit bars for business or to catch up with friends but at no time do I feel envious of the Koreans because at the end of the night I'm going home to my much higher quality girls than what's found in the bars.

As for your input to the Angeles thread, maybe making a recent visit from your bolt hole in the boonies will give your posts some up to date content, when you do decide to visit shoot me a PM and I'll take you under my wing and show you around a place you not seen in years.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2793314]That is EXACTLY why AC is such a good destination. There really is a girl for everyone, for every taste.

Walk down the street and you see a girl that looks like the girl from year 9 many years ago that you had a crush on. Go to the Mall and see a girl that reminds you of your university class mate. Sit in a club and see a shy girl with a big smile that you have to fuck. Walk a little further and discover the chubby girl from the 7-11 looks pretty good in heals.

There are the older mongers like me that come to AC to screw the 18-22 year olds. There are the same aged mongers that are sensible spending their time with 40-45's. There are other mongers sensibly marrying the 55+ women..[/QUOTE]Fully agree with your post.

Yes each and every visitor to Angeles has a different agenda, different tastes and different want lists.

I am truly happy for the guys that find what they are looking for in Angeles, after all most spent a fortune getting here so why not.

That's not to say Angeles is for everyone though.

As far as Angeles being a great business destination it sure is due to the reasonable property prices and access to highly qualified, educated people (yes not all girls in Angeles area are pros, in fact very few are).

As far as fun in Angeles, yes for those that visit for a few days it might be exciting but for the expats that are here every day and remember the golden years of Angeles city and the quality of girls that once were working bar then todays Angeles is not much fun for every one IMHO, still as I said in a previous post, most expat friends fuck nice looking girls that don't work bar, why can we do this, because we have all the time in the world to find such unlike the guys that are here few days and just want to put notches on the bed post.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2793317]when you do decide to visit shoot me a pm and ill take you under my wing and show you around a place you not seen in years.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the offer. It will be fun. From your posts, you seem like a real barrel of laughs.

Maybe you don't realise but we have already met. Many times in fact. The old guy, sitting in an bar, complaining to anyone who will listen that this is fucked, that is fucked and everyone is an idiot for decades on end. That was you, no? As I said, we've met many times before.

As for posting quality, let me know when you have something informative beyond a copy / paste of only Korean guys get the pretty girls, Westerners always barfine the fat, old and ugly.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2793342]Thanks for the offer. It will be fun. From your posts, you seem like a real barrel of laughs.

Maybe you don't realise but we have already met. Many times in fact. The old guy, sitting in an bar, complaining to anyone who will listen that this is fucked, that is fucked and everyone is an idiot for decades on end. That was you, no? As I said, we've met many times before.

As for posting quality, let me know when you have something informative beyond a copy / paste of only Korean guys get the pretty girls, Westerners always barfine the fat, old and ugly.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Maybe putting down the bottle will serve your memory better about meeting me, old guy in the bar? I'm in my early 50's so your clearly mistaken in your assumptions again.

As I said should you ever make an Angeles visit 1st beer on me, maybe you will warm to my frank but honest views, thanks.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2793343]As I said should you ever make an Angeles visit 1st beer on me, maybe you will warm to my frank but honest views, thanks.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Same here.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2793340]Fully agree with your post.

Yes each and every visitor to Angeles has a different agenda, different tastes and different want lists...

That's not to say Angeles is for everyone though...

As far as fun in Angeles, yes for those that visit for a few days it might be exciting but for the expats that are here every day and remember the golden years of Angeles city and the quality of girls that once were working bar then todays Angeles is not much fun for every one IMHO, still as I said in a previous post, most expat friends fuck nice looking girls that don't work bar, why can we do this, because we have all the time in the world to find such unlike the guys that are here few days and just want to put notches on the bed post.

Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Looks like we do have some common ground.

While all guys do have different tastes, it's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers. This even applies to guys who complain about not finding what they want in these markets. What's rarely discussed is how easy it is to pick up girls outside of these, even for the weekend warrior. While expats' "good" girls may be out of reach, it's not that hard to hook up with girls online, in SM or even just walking down the street. These girls are often far less hardened, a common complaint of the long serving bargirls.

Unfortunately, the good 'ol days are gone everywhere. It's exceedingly rare to find a pretty, fun girl for $15 in any of the world's flesh pots any more. Having said that, time has also brought discount airfares, cheap online hotel booking and even the raft of online sourcing options so the news isn't all bad.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2793374]Thanks. Same here.

Looks like we do have some common ground.

While all guys do have different tastes, it's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers. This even applies to guys who complain about not finding what they want in these markets. What's rarely discussed is how easy it is to pick up girls outside of these, even for the weekend warrior. While expats' "good" girls may be out of reach, it's not that hard to hook up with girls online, in SM or even just walking down the street. These girls are often far less hardened, a common complaint of the long serving bargirls.

Unfortunately, the good 'ol days are gone everywhere. It's exceedingly rare to find a pretty, fun girl for $15 in any of the world's flesh pots any more. Having said that, time has also brought discount airfares, cheap online hotel booking and even the raft of online sourcing options so the news isn't all bad.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. I guess I could set up a few on dating apps but that's a risk. ,girl is not one in pic. No compatibility. Again its a risk. Bar is better as you get what you see. Now when I retire there sure, Ill try malls. Regular clubs or whatever but not wasting time on that with a few weeks. I do have a few regulars who guarantee a good time then I backfill with bar girls, perfect for me. I did try online once, beautiful girl but when got to room and shirt cam off. Terrible baby damage. Not my thing. I kept her a couple hours not to be cruel, but after that I said never again. I got to see what I'm buying.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2793540]"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. I guess I could set up a few on dating apps but that's a risk. ,girl is not one in pic. No compatibility. Again its a risk. Bar is better as you get what you see. Now when I retire there sure, Ill try malls. Regular clubs or whatever but not wasting time on that with a few weeks. I do have a few regulars who guarantee a good time then I backfill with bar girls, perfect for me. I did try online once, beautiful girl but when got to room and shirt cam off. Terrible baby damage. Not my thing. I kept her a couple hours not to be cruel, but after that I said never again. I got to see what I'm buying.[/QUOTE]Bars are an efficient way of delivering timely product. No questions about it.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2793540]"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. I guess I could set up a few on dating apps but that's a risk..[/QUOTE]In terms of time, I've never found bars to be point and shoot. I don't think I have unreasonable standards but it's exceedingly rare for me to walk into a bar and find Ms Tonight straight away. I've certainly had nights where I've gone home empty handed.

The same can be said for performance levels. I've had so many runners, poor performers and entitled girls that now I go to bars to have a perv or meet buddies. It's pretty rare for me to actually barfine anywhere outside of Burgos. As a contrast, I'm struggling to remember a disappointing civilian or online hookup. Sure photos are flattering but that's to be expected and there are ways to minimise surprises. In my book the performance can make up for it.

Inpromptu meetings in SM, restaurants etc should be regarded as a pleasant surprise. I know I do. But don't be afraid to act on opportunities should they arise. They are great but I don't rely on them for filling my daily quota. If anything, heading out with a hunter's eye reduces the chances of success, not improves it.

Each to their own. For guys enjoying bar fines, more power to you. However, for those that aren't, bars definitely shouldn't be regarded as the only way to get laid in AC, or elsewhere.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2793540]"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. [/QUOTE]Agree. Back in the day before apps, dating sites were the alternative to the bars. I also had a mix of good / bad dating site experiences. I had better experiences in the bars. Santos and Raymond St bars offered girls for a few hours for the price of a meal at Kok's / Phillies, and other WS bars offered LT for not much more. Point / shoot became paramount for me. It was (pre-covid) sooooo easy in AC. Girls rarely misbehaved. Overnights for $30 USD. Never-ending supply of girls. Caveat, I was into the barfine, but not the bar scene of buying LD's and finding the 'right' girl for me. If I stayed 2 weeks, I would take only 1 dating site girl (good or bad experience didn't compel me to take another or not take another during the interval), and the rest were either bar girls or SW. Had apps been around at the time like they are today, I would not have utilized them anymore than DIA. On some trips I only utilized dating sites while in AC to tell the Manila girls that I was in Pampanga and only a few days away from the NCR.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2793594]In terms of time, I've never found bars to be point and shoot. I don't think I have unreasonable standards but it's exceedingly rare for me to walk into a bar and find Ms Tonight straight away. I've certainly had nights where I've gone home empty handed.[/QUOTE]Respecfully disagree. The AC of a decade ago, was easy for me to walk in, buy a mama a drink (or other tactic), ask her advice (or any of the gogo girls), and end up getting what I wanted.

In addition, I was in AC late last year, and I found at least one do-able girl in almost every bar (exception: the Western-themed bar on the MacArthur end of WS, all fuglies), half a dozen such girls in most bars, in Atlantis one night a dozen such girls. I didn't necessarily barfine them, but right there they were, dancing in front of me, available. This does not include the Perimeter-area bars, which often had NO girls inside when I was there. I've gone home empty-handed also, but because I was out perving, not hunting.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2793594]The same can be said for performance levels. I've had so many runners, poor performers and entitled girls that now I go to bars to have a perv or meet buddies. [/QUOTE]I had better luck pre-covid. My approach was more biz-oriented than most gents (I was not trying to find a girl that I had a 'right connection' with). The entitlement appears to be in place post-covid. Regular bars offering ST / LT pricing structures, runners, girls lying to keep you in the bar to buy them LD's, etc. , makes the pay-before system look bad.

There is no doubt that the Angeles girls of multiple years ago were a different breed with a totally different mind set.

Multiple years ago mongering was easy in Angeles, walk into any bar and they were full to the brim with girls, even the small out of the way bars on perimeter Road, 90% of the girls were 18-20 years, slim and most definitely worth fucking, what's more important was that 100% of the girls would barfine and barfine long time, never had a dud girl back then and even if one did it was just a case of returning her to the bar for a full refund, good time was guaranteed by the bar, definitely not so now days.

Remember multiple bars multiple moons ago where I worked my way through the majority of the girls working there, sometimes 20 girls from the same bar, what's left of Angeles now is that I and many friends barhop only to find very few girls we would want to fuck, it is what it is and for those of us that do not rely on the bars to get laid we don't give a shite, leave all the bait and switch, runners and do not barfine girls to those that are desperate enough to put up with the shit.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2793340]"... most expat friends fuck nice looking girls that don't work bar, why can we do this, because we have all the time in the world to find such unlike the guys that are here few days and just want to put notches on the bed post."

Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]I will only have 6 days in AC. All my "notches" will just be lines drawn with a Sharpie. LOL.

A few words to try to help those that have not visited angeles or have not visited in multiple years.

Well lets start off with angeles based forums, yes there is much good information out there but many mixed reviews on the quality of girls working bar, some visit and swear every girl in the bars is young, slim and a stunner yet many others claim its very hard to find lookers or even slim younger girls of average looks, ill cover the reasons for this and whether angeles is worth a visit.

Lets start with what is angeles like as a place.

Angeles city is basically a 3rd world shithole, I have said this in the past, as have many other board members, why do we say this well a few reasons is the sheer poverty, the terrible pollution, the terrible infustructure, the terrible oily tasteless food, totally crap internet, begging thieving street kids, multiple Viagra / cigarette street vendors pestering one constantly and trike drivers acting agressive, the many dangers and scams that abound, there is a reason every hotel, every store even the smallest of stores have the need of heavily armed guards always present is in order to stop the premises from being robbed by the desperate scum, angeles really has nothing to do except maybe visit the small malls, watch tv or sleep in between bar hops.

Walking street Bars.

Well this can be separated into two distinct types, the type that attracts mostly westerners and the type that attracts mostly koreans, the western bars tend to be very quiet for both the number of girls and punters, think most bars 2- 10 girls with some bars having absolutely no customers most of the night, one or two bars are a bit more busy, mostly with long term western expats, girl quality in the western bars is low, mostly girls 28-40 years of age, high mileage but playful and more willing to interact and barfine.

The korean bars tend to be the big show bars, nice decor, good dance shows and entertainment on stage, good dj, s, much better quality girls over all, although not all girls are young, slim and attractive there are though in most korean bars a few that are fairly attractive, not all is at it seems though, the top girls tend to not barfine with anyone, instead choosing to stay in the bar and earn large from lady drinks commissions, making it rain money and sitting tips, there are though still some girls that will barfine, unfortunately if one is not korean and spending large in the bar then one will be out of luck, they are korean only girls, westerners that want to barfine from the korean bars might be able to choose from the girls the koreans don't want, it is what it is unfortunately.

Perimeter road bars.

Many moons ago many a fine girl could be found here and at cheaper prices to walking st, now most bars are closed and the very few that remain have mainly old old ladies, give it a miss is my advice.

STREET GIRLS,

Be very careful here, many are men in dresses and many are under age, many are working with older ladies or the police to set up guys in either under age or rape claim scams, you have been warned, many guys claim never had a problem but its never a problem till it happens costing thousands of usd to get out of, know personally of two cases over the last year.

Tight pinay bargirls and bargirls orgasms.

Some board members swear angeles bargirls have tight pussies, yes some of the young no baby girls might have ok pussies but young no baby girls are a very rare breed in angeles bars, but by far the majority of girls have had their bodies and pussies ruined by multiple child births just the same as prostitutes the world over so no I would not say that pinays are any tighter than any other nationality, As for prostitutes having orgasms then all I will say is that just because a prostitute is moaning while getting fucked does not mean she is enjoying herself or having an orgasm, she could just as well be moaning in order to receive her pay while her mind is on what she will cook the kids for dinner tonight. Girls can be great actresses where money is concerned.

Believing bargirls,

Its funny how many guys hang on every word a bargirl tells them they believe it so much that they will report online (well my bargirl told me xyz so it must be true) I can only assume these guys are just unworldly simpletons, I always say when a bargirls lips are moving she is lying, lost count of the bargirls that have told me, napa, your cock is so big, the biggest I've seen, napa, your so young and handsome napa, your so good in bed, nobody has made me come like you napa, it goes straight over my head, its all bullshit but some simpletons actually believe all the crap that comes out of their mouths and go on to brag about it in their trip reports.

Short time, long time girls and what's the cost.

Its true to say that any angeles bargirl that is even a little bit young, slim and cute will insist on short time why, well its simply comes down to money, why would a popular girl do long time for 5,000 pesos when she has a que of guys willing to pay her 5,000 pesos for short time so in fact a popular girl can do 3 or 4 short times and earn 15-20,000 peso as apposed to one long time at 5,000 peso, girls time = money in angeles and they will take the big money every time.

Most western bars are 4,000 peso and most korean bars are 5,000 peso bar fine, the lower price in the western bars is to take into account the lower quality of girls found there, most ok looking girls are short time, if one wants long time then possible but only with the girls that don't often get barfined so might be more desperate to seal the deal.

Girls giving free pussy.

Yes this is very true, angeles girls do give free pussy, unfortunately only to their pinoy husband, lover, the cute security guard at her bar and her favourite young trike driver, not only do the girls give out free pussy to the pinoys they mainly give them their money too.

Many western guys come on the forums and boast well my bargirl gives me free pussy, I'm so handsome and such a great lover that she even pays her own barfine to spend time with me, bullshite I say, never heard so much crap in my life my advice to the guys that want to visit is that in angeles nothing is free one will pay handsomely if one wants pussy.

Runners, blow jobs, sucking pussy, and kissing.

Runners is one of the most common problems in angeles as many members have said, girls often will promise long time in the bar to secure the deal only to have her clothes on after the 1st pop, nothing can be done about it, no money back from the bar and complain too much and that little princess might cry rape, just let her go is the sensible option.

Blow jobs, is getting more rare, especially amongst the younger lookers same for kissing and letting one go down on her, some might allow but don't expect it as normal practise, if its allowed enjoy it because it might not come around again.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Never has a truer few words been said, indeed what one guy thinks is a stunner another might think is a fat dog, there is no hard and fast rule, some guys have great taste in girls and some guys don't.

In summing up its so hard to either recommend an angeles visit or not, all guys have different tastes in girls, some are happy with any girl that has a pulse and some are not, what is true is that those that are not at all fussy are having the better time, yes they will tell all that will listen that they fuck only the youngest best girls but in truth not seen a westerner with a pretty young bar girl on the arm or sitting next to one in a bar for more than 10 years.

If one wants to visit then maybe ok if nearby or as part of a phills holiday which includes island hopping and some diving, would definitely not be spending large and travelling long distances to visit but ill leave the final decision to each guy to decide what's best for them.

Hope that helps some out with some insight into angeles and their decisions to visit or not.

Very insightful and accurate. I have visited Angeles City a number of times but for my past few trips, I have moved on to other cities in the PI such as Cebu and Davao and the online dating scene. I think you can meet better girls in the PI if you go to the other cities.

There is an additional risk in Angeles City. Most guys go bareback and it is a tight circle of guys and bargirls within a small geographic area so if one guy or girl has an STD, it will spread rapidly since the guys are screwing a lot of girls and the girls are screwing a lot of guys. At least in the big cities, it is more spread out so the risks are a little lower.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2793638]There is no doubt that the Angeles girls of multiple years ago were a different breed with a totally different mind set.

Multiple years ago mongering was easy in Angeles, walk into any bar and they were full to the brim with girls, even the small out of the way bars on perimeter Road, 90% of the girls were 18-20 years, slim and most definitely worth fucking, what's more important was that 100% of the girls would barfine and barfine long time, never had a dud girl back then and even if one did it was just a case of returning her to the bar for a full refund, good time was guaranteed by the bar, definitely not so now days.

Remember multiple bars multiple moons ago where I worked my way through the majority of the girls working there, sometimes 20 girls from the same bar, what's left of Angeles now is that I and many friends barhop only to find very few girls we would want to fuck, it is what it is and for those of us that do not rely on the bars to get laid we don't give a shite, leave all the bait and switch, runners and do not barfine girls to those that are desperate enough to put up with the shit.[/QUOTE]You are 100% absolutely correct. Back in 2012, was my first trip to AC and Manila. Talent was so much better and the entertainment districts were bustling. There were lots of gems to be found at Perimeter Bars that were cheap for barfine until the next day, that you can take 3-4 of them to party and fuck. Girls on Walking Street were even more and plentiful with lots of stunners dressed to the 9's. Walking Street was jammed pack until 5 am and the party at HiSo was the shit. Remembering big drunk groups hitting up Jolly Bees after club closed, wolfing down on chicken and spaghetti. I would make 1 trip and year subsequently after 2013 and it got worse and worse with each trip. My final was in 2017 and it was only for 5 days. Couldn't even stand it. Never went back afterwards. I look at the AC scene just like the Penthouse Hotel I used to stay at. It was great in 2012 and by 2016, it was a forgotten dump without upkeep. Nana, Cowboy, Soi 6, and WS Pattaya have also decline as well. But not at the rate AC has. Those recent YouTube videos tell all when compared to yesteryears.

While nobody can deny AC is no longer the dirt cheap pussy paradise it used to be, it is not nearly as bad as NapaSlapper portrays. As far as the city itself, I do agree, its a shithole. There is nothing to do besides sit in bars and fuck girls. But it has always been that way. So nothing has changed. I go there for 3-4 days at a time and its enough. As for the girls, yes its nothing like the past, I came there first in 2004 and you had to chase girls out of the room with a stick. ST was 500 Peso and long time between 1200 and 1500. You can't buy gas at 99 cents anymore and can't get pussy at those prices either. So get over that. But if you are willing to pay 3000 to 4000 you can still get young willing cute girls to go Long time. There are smaller Korean bars that do have a few good girls that also go with non Koreans. And there are bigger western oriented bars like Lolipop and Geckos etc that always have a couple of girls. I have even found good ones in Perimeter bars. You have to put more effort in than you used to and the pickings are slimmer but you can still find enough good girls to fill a long weekend.

I just got back from Pattaya and while its much better than AC in many ways, I still find the interactions with Filipinas to just be more fun and entertaining. Plus there is never a doubt about BBFS there. Ill still go there for short 3-4 day trips. Going again 22-26 March in fact.