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[QUOTE=David1266;2835462]This is correct. It really depends on club. At Samya, they are trying to enforce 50 E /30 min rule, so many popular girls demand 30-50 E for touching or kissing breast. You have to ask what's included in at the beginning.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Samya became upselling land. You get nothing interesting for 50 = CBJ and Turkish or Asian fucking and all is for extra. I like friendly staff, but level is now not for me.
[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;2835649]This Friday is my first time back to Sharks since last October. Two of the girls I took to the room both of them told me the rate for 1 hour is 200 euro now instead of 150 euro which was the price I got last October. So just wondering is this the new norm now or I got screwed over?[/QUOTE]"New normal" means a "normal" working girl could charge that and that's false.
Now for a WG like Brenda, she could get away with it, but it's certainly not "normal.”
In 5-10 years will it be the new normal? History says yes. Inflation affects the price of everything.
[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;2835649]This Friday is my first time back to Sharks since last October. Two of the girls I took to the room both of them told me the rate for 1 hour is 200 euro now instead of 150 euro which was the price I got last October. So just wondering is this the new norm now or I got screwed over?[/QUOTE]But but but, I thought that the new rate was going to be 80430? / sarc.
[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2835740]Extremely retarded counter logical behavior. Refuse to give in.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but perhaps better yet: spend your money elsewhere and boycott Sharks, boycott Germany or even boycott Europe. Especially if you travel all the way to Germany from overseas just to fuck some overhyped WGs, then it really shouldn't be too difficult in selecting a different country or perhaps even an entirely different continent.
Instead of going for a large quantity of girls who provide very questionable and mediocre 'service' for stratospheric prices, perhaps it's now time to look elsewhere?
For example: Switzerland is more expensive (although with the increased rates and deteriorated 'service' at Sharks, this price gap has significantly narrowed), but then go for [B]far higher quality[/B] sessions and make a compromise to go with perhaps fewer girls, instead of continuing to pay more and more for shitty service in Germany? When spending approximately 500 Euros / CHF would you rather have 3 great GFE or PSE sessions in Switzerland, or 5 mediocre sessions in Germany?
When counting all the money you lose on shitty sessions in Germany, perhaps Switzerland is just as expensive (or cheap, depending on your viewpoint) as Germany, but without the hassle?
A simple calculation assuming a 30 minute standard session and assuming 1 CHF = 1 Euro, which isn't exactly true, but for rough calculation it will suffice. In Globe you fuck 5 random optically attractive girls at 150 CHF which costs you 750 CHF but in return you get 5 [B]great[/B] GFE or PSE sessions with real kissing, fingering, licking etc. In Sharks you fuck 5 optically attractive random girls for 100 Euros each for a total of 500 Euros, but 3 provide a ice cold mechanical service with no kissing, no fingering, just a Laufhaus fuck & suck with too much lube making it hard to cum, 1 girl provides a reasonable service with some very light kissing (no tongue) and no fingering, and 1 girl provides service on the same level as Globe. Basically you're paying 250 Euros / CHF per session at Sharks for service that is either reasonable or service that equals that of ANY random girl at Globe. At Sharks you're basically throwing away 300 Euros on shitty sessions in order to find the 2 girls that provide a reasonable to good service.
Sure, reports here about girls can help, but as always: YMMV, and the very few good girls are sometimes more difficult find or book, or worse, they might not even be working that particular week when you're visiting. I think most regular visitors of Sharks agree on two things: 1) it's becoming more and more expensive, and 2) consistently good service is more and more difficult to find.
I can't (yet) speak for other clubs in Switzerland, and sure, Globe has a lot of strange rules and policies, but so far I've always have had a [B]100% satisfaction rate[/B] with [B]randomly picked girls[/B] (purely by optics) when visiting Globe. I can't say the same for Sharks where you're more or less playing Russian Roulette when picking a random girl you don't know and haven't fucked before.
[QUOTE=LifeIsTooShort;2387690]Hello people,
I got a question about a girl I booked on Friday 1 November at shark.
I really find her really pretty, she was sitting at the first small table just to the left near the entrance of the food court. She is blond, 26 years old, she has tiger tattoo on her right leg, a dog tattoo on her left leg, a lotus tattoo on her belly. She also have a piercing on her belly. She told me that she is Moldavian.
She got natural boobs, pretty big for me since it's not silicon.
She seems pretty popular, an Asian wanted to book her when I took a glass water before going up with her, and she told me that guy wanted to book her since two days. (Bullshit?
First I would like to know her name since I might not have heard very well, I think it was Sabina not sure at all.
She gave me a really good GFE experience, the service was really good for me, I met Megan at globe and I can say that they are similar in level of service provided. The things is she set the price at 150 for 1 hour all inclusive then 50 eu every extra 30 mn, and she told me that's the price for everyone with her. I also saw that she refused some clients. Since I found her face really pretty, I was thinking maybe she is a star at shark and I don't know.
So to say what I would like to know is:
-What's her name?
-Is she a star?
-150 euros for 1 hour at start, really?
BTW I'm not sure but I might have seen Adelina from Oase (Cameron diaz look alike). Maybe I'm wrong but if it's not her, that girl really look alike her.[/QUOTE]Ever since last year every time I looked at the the forum I thought the girl called Sabine / Sabina in Sharks also with a sister called Alina was the girl I met couple of years ago called Sabine who is Moldavian. You guys could see the description about her from the post I quoted from couple of years ago. Every time I came to Sharks and couldn't find Sabine I was disappointed same time I was confused because people just talked about her couple of days ago at the forum. Now I just gained better understanding about the girls since I just met the sisters at the club today. Just wondering does Sabine with bigger tits from Moldova still works at Sharks or she moved to somewhere else.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;2835649]This Friday is my first time back to Sharks since last October. Two of the girls I took to the room both of them told me the rate for 1 hour is 200 euro now instead of 150 euro which was the price I got last October. So just wondering is this the new norm now or I got screwed over?[/QUOTE]And of course you didn't tell the girls that it was your first trip in 9 month?! Girls are always ready to tell "truths" to naive men. Agreed prices before room, for example tell girls you paid 150 euro / hour "last week with that girl", instead off 9 months ago I paid.
[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;2835893]Ever since last year every time I looked at the the forum I thought the girl called Sabine / Sabina in Sharks also with a sister called Alina was the girl I met couple of years ago called Sabine who is Moldavian. You guys could see the description about her from the post I quoted from couple of years ago. Every time I came to Sharks and couldn't find Sabine I was disappointed same time I was confused because people just talked about her couple of days ago at the forum. Now I just gained better understanding about the girls since I just met the sisters at the club today. Just wondering does Sabine with bigger tits from Moldova still works at Sharks or she moved to somewhere else.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Blond tall Sabina with no tattoo and blond Alina, both ex World, are at Sharks. Amazing what can read here and better not to trust all writings, when because of new rates, Sharks attract some girls and is the best potential for rare girls in whole FKK land, when I found 4 fresh, who would refuse Globe rules, but I prefer their freshness when I don t need rules. Sofi. De, Kloe, Katalea if she put less heavy make up, Valentina, would make riots at Globe where papy towel would book them whole day. At Sharks, just have to go on days for rare girls, open eyes to detect beyond mass of little Romanian and then make the job like a man with a woman, when I prefer to pay 200 for fresh beauties than 300/60 for average looks at Globe, Swiss Dietikon being a better value. I don t ask, but for those who don t like surprise of discovery, better to ask for service and rate before going. As Western European, I m fully sure freedom make quality and GG with less rules is higher quality for me than Bruggen under rules, when rules there or at Globe kill freshness for behavior.
Friday July 14th was a good day at Sharks, the weather was good and I arrived at around 7 PM.
The lineup was as good as the weather with a plenty of girls, mostly Romanian lineup as usual but there were a few good ones even for my taste. There was BBQ going on in the garden. I helped myself to a burger and a few beef slices, it was ok but not on par with the great BBQ from my visit last summer. That time it was actual BBQ prepared by an external company who knew what they were doing.
I only had one session, with a slim and very pretty brunette, Romanian yes but more Ukrainian than gypsy-looking. She had a very beautiful smile but a bit cold and business oriented once in the room, even tried upselling. Forgot the name. It was surprisingly difficult to cum, not sure it was a case of too loose pussy with respect to my cock, or too much lube. Perhaps a bit of both. In the end she finished me off with her hands and mouth. I rate the session as 4 out of 10. At best. I almost fell asleep after the first session due to an intense week of hard work and poor sleep, so I decided to leave early at around 10-11 pm. Before I left I noted that there were some new arrivals and the lineup was even better than when I arrived. All in all, better than I had expected.
Saturday July 15th was a bit slower than the Friday, somewhat fewer girls and guys. I was looking for a particular girl I saw Saturday before I left but, as she was not showing up, in the end I went with a 23-year old Romanian by the name Miko or something. I was a bit surprised by my own choice as she is theoretically not my type. Anyway, I went with her because she simply made me horny. Turned out to be a good choice, she was very sweet and I came nicely in her lovely puss. 6 out of 10. The bar service was a bit better than usual, so I actually managed to place several orders before the bar went back to normal. Perhaps management stepped in when they heard that a customer had received too efficient service, because I had to wait like 20 min for my last Pils, and once it arrived it had turned into a Weissbier due a change of beer barrel. They also forgot I had paid for it, but we got it sorted out.
There was some commotion at one time, apparently a girl had had an epileptic seizure. Hopefully everything went well with her.
Girls were complaining a little about too few sessions, I think I need to back soon again to help them out!
Tuna.
[QUOTE=Rocko20;2835754]"New normal" means a "normal" working girl could charge that and that's false.
Now for a WG like Brenda, she could get away with it, but it's certainly not "normal.
In 5-10 years will it be the new normal? History says yes. Inflation affects the price of everything.[/QUOTE]You can be certain that if some girls start asking 200/60 now, it's not going to take 5 to 10 years for the new normal to become 200/60. It's probably a matter of months.
The major problem in this industry is that men are just money pigs and happy to pay. Very few would boycott and even those who claim to boycott would probably lie when talking on forums like this one but still visit and pay. This is exactly what happen when the 30 min rate have doubled 1 year or 2 ago.
[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2836065]Friday July 14th was a good day at Sharks, the weather was good and I arrived at around 7 PM.
The lineup was as good as the weather with a plenty of girls, mostly Romanian lineup as usual but there were a few good ones even for my taste. There was BBQ going on in the garden. I helped myself to a burger and a few beef slices, it was ok but not on par with the great BBQ from my visit last summer. That time it was actual BBQ prepared by an external company who knew what they were doing.
I only had one session, with a slim and very pretty brunette, Romanian yes but more Ukrainian than gypsy-looking. She had a very beautiful smile but a bit cold and business oriented once in the room, even tried upselling. Forgot the name. It was surprisingly difficult to cum, not sure it was a case of too loose pussy with respect to my cock, or too much lube. Perhaps a bit of both. In the end she finished me off with her hands and mouth. I rate the session as 4 out of 10. At best. I almost fell asleep after the first session due to an intense week of hard work and poor sleep, so I decided to leave early at around 10-11 pm. Before I left I noted that there were some new arrivals and the lineup was even better than when I arrived. All in all, better than I had expected.
Saturday July 15th was a bit slower than the Friday, somewhat fewer girls and guys. I was looking for a particular girl I saw Saturday before I left but, as she was not showing up, in the end I went with a 23-year old Romanian by the name Miko or something. I was a bit surprised by my own choice as she is theoretically not my type. Anyway, I went with her because she simply made me horny. Turned out to be a good choice, she was very sweet and I came nicely in her lovely puss. 6 out of 10. The bar service was a bit better than usual, so I actually managed to place several orders before the bar went back to normal. Perhaps management stepped in when they heard that a customer had received too efficient service, because I had to wait like 20 min for my last Pils, and once it arrived it had turned into a Weissbier due a change of beer barrel. They also forgot I had paid for it, but we got it sorted out.
There was some commotion at one time, apparently a girl had had an epileptic seizure. Hopefully everything went well with her.
Girls were complaining a little about too few sessions, I think I need to back soon again to help them out!
Tuna.[/QUOTE]The Guy at bar is good. I was told usual slow Saturday afternoon and not crowded Friday. Some girls are for 80/30 and 130/60 , many ask 200/60 or more and I doubt for wow in bed for most of them. Just have to find the few high level, but at least some better looks and more fresh flesh than at Globe. Some really beautiful naturals versus silicone.
[QUOTE=Prelude141;2836069]You can be certain that if some girls start asking 200/60 now, it's not going to take 5 to 10 years for the new normal to become 200/60. It's probably a matter of months..[/QUOTE]Haha! Nah ... slow down a bit, will you. LOL.
The first time I heard girls quote 100 E /30 was in late 00's (at Palace during the big fairs with huge crowds). It did not take months but rather more than a decade before 100 E /30 was the going rate at the major Hessen clubs. In the meantime 50 E /30 survived the 2008 financial crises, the "schwein flu", the 2017 law and partly covid.
It was not a sudden change, but a slow "painful" journey (as far as I, at least, was able to observe):
- In 2005 half hour for 50 E would give you excellent sessions (BBBJ / DFK / DATY / CFS) with the majority of girls. Negative reports were few and mainly about girls who would not french kiss properly or would not partake in public sex in the kinos.
- Then there were reports about a minority of girls not kissing at all (or only in extended sessions).
- Then there were reports about shortchange of time (30 mnts sessions lasting only 15- 20 mnts) among a minority of girls and / or on crowded nights. The majority of girls remained good providers (at least in a 60 mnts session).
- More girls started to demand minimum 60 mnts sessions for GFE service (more difficult to get that in a 30 mnts session).
- Then there were more and more reports about girls increasing prices during the big exhibitions at several clubs. A disease that had started at Palace spread to other clubs like Sharks, Oase and Mainhattan.
- Then there were numerous reports about girls exploiting firsttimers with no clue about rates or standard performance, in particular demanding huge tips from Americans and double fees from Asian visitors with no English skills.
- Still after the 2017 law 50 E sessions were possible, but an increasing number of girls asked for 50 E extra for the "GFE package" (I. E. 100 E /30 and 150 E /60, usw.).
- Then during corona the locals visited the FKK girls at brothels with rates at 100 E /30 - 150 E /60 for GFE sessions. Thus this become the norm at the FKK clubs when the clubs reopened in 2022 after corona.
- If you are not able to get great 100 E /30 or 150 E /60 sessions in 2023, I'd say you are doing something wrong. I suggest trying to play a little smarter rather than giving in.
I never understood the doom and gloom speculations. It is not very helpful.
[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2836065]..... It was surprisingly difficult to cum, not sure it was a case of too loose pussy with respect to my cock.....[/QUOTE]This reminds me of one of my pet peeves at FKKs and that is the hot girl with the too loose pussy and I'm not small. Generally I hardly have this problem in Latin America and never in Asia.
First time back to Sharks since COVID.
Arrived Saturday around 15 h30 and found the club was already pretty packed both with girls and guys. Around 18 h00 the line up was so huge that there was pretty much nowhere to seat for girls and many were standing.
Unfortunately although the number of girls was huge, there was little diversity in the girls. Couldn't find a single young natural looking cutie or girl next door type and most looked like Kim Kardashian wanabees with heavy make up around the eyes. Most had dark hair and dark eyes and didn't see any natural blonde and barely any light brunette type.
There were defintely a few stunners but again they looked to me like Kim Kardashian s clones which is really not my type.
Some had beautiful face but the make up just made them look bitchy.
It seemed to me that the average age of the girls was higher than pre Covid times. There were definitely a lot of girls in their 30's or soon to be being already totally out of shape and with heavy cellulite.
I made a few rounds and was approached a couple of times but couldn't find any girl I liked. Almost decided to head back with no rooms but was not strong enough mentally to leave without a single shot. Was approached by Melanie who was not really my type and had a quite big buttom but she was fun to talk with and easy going so decided to go with her.
In the room she was nice and friendly and didn't try any overselling or anything. It was an OK session and nothing to complain, she did the job and did put some effort into it. The only issue is that with age it becomes more and more difficult to really enjoy it without being really attracted to the girl so maybe it could have been much better if she was my type.
After the deed, was already close to 20 h00 and the club was just that big amount of flesh everywhere with that super loud music which became really annoying. Decided to leave as I knew I would be back Sunday.
Sunday came back again around noon and surprisingly the club was already quite full with a lot of customers and quite a few girls. I ve always preferred the Sunday afternoon easy going vibe as I find easier to look carefully at girls when it s less busy.
Line up was pretty similar to Saturday with little diversity. Managed to find a girl next door type but she seemed to be booked the whole afternoon by some old German guy.
Had a session with Mira or Mia who said she was quite new to the club. Session was Ok but could not get much connection wiht her.
Walked around and was approached a couple of times by some very good looking girls including a Miranda Kerr look alike who was cute as hell but didn't have any energy left. It was totally frustrating. Seems to me that every time I go a FKK I would find the cutest girl after I m done and about to leave.
I guess she ll be on top of my list on my next visit.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2836115]This reminds me of one of my pet peeves at FKKs and that is the hot girl with the too loose pussy and I'm not small. Generally I hardly have this problem in Latin America and never in Asia.[/QUOTE]I hear you, I for one have encountered quite a few slack holes. I wonder how large a role the lube plays though, maybe some of the loose pussies are only slightly spacious but severely over-lubricated? Own-cock-disclaimer; judging by my condom size I should be clearly above average, so my member is only partly to blame (but I admit, it would be great to be hung like a horse!
[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2836058]Hi,
Today is a good day for a look at the 4 factors that influence pleasure derived from friction in the penis-vagina interface.
The condom, my old enemy.
Couple of years ago a girlfriend told me I was using too small condoms. I had just on autopilot bought standard condoms, without ever giving it any thought. I realized she was right, they had indeed been difficult to put on and squeezed my cock white. Changing to bigger condoms made a bigger difference than I would have guessed. I still hate condoms but now they are only half as bad as they used to be. I have recently discovered a good brand of condoms called Mysize. I prefer condoms to be on the more spacious side and I found a size that works great for me. I first bought a trial pack from German amazon and later a large pack of the model I liked the best. Highly recommended.
Some girls use very thick condoms, without a jizz container at the top, which they pull down very hard. When the condom is put on that way, it can sometimes pull itself up slightly and drag some foreskin with it, the effect is having the head protected by both foreskin and thick rubber. Add too much lube and a big pussy and good luck feeling anything unless you are ultra horny. My own condoms largely solves this as they both have a container and are loose enough to be rearrange 'on cock' if need be.
The lube.
I kind of always thought the more the merrier when it comes to lube. I think that has been yet another stupid mistake of mine. Will be on guard against overlubrication as I move into future vaginas, although it is much harder to control than the condoms. If the girl really wants to empty a whole bottle in her flower, there is little to do to stop her. Scream "nooooooo" with a hysterical voice and fetch some napkins? I don't think so.
The cock.
Being as hard as possible is obviously very helpful, and for that horniness is needed. Unfortunately I am not 20 anymore so I am not as easily aroused anymore. Staying in shape, getting enough sleep and eating healthy food helps, so does not looking at porn. Unfortunately, I personally tend to get a little desensitized by the FKK environment after several hours of looking at tits and fucking the first time. Sort of sensory overload. Would be good to have a relax area off limits to girls, to rest my eyes a little. I guess it is always possible to leave the club and come back later though. Might try that some day. Would also be nice to check out the club's brunch breakfast.
The pussy.
I don't think there are any reliable indicators to predict pussy size of European women. Some slender young women can certainly have loose pussies. I am starting to think that lube might be a bigger factor than tightness in the pussy friction equation than I previously thought, so I might have confused the two factors. Will try to pay more attention during future sessions. Other than that, trial and error would be the way to go I guess.
Tuna.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shark16;2836098]Haha! Nah ... slow down a bit, will you. LOL.
The first time I heard girls quote 100 E /30 was in late 00's (at Palace during the big fairs with huge crowds). It did not take months but rather more than a decade before 100 E /30 was the going rate at the major Hessen clubs. In the meantime 50 E /30 survived the 2008 financial crises, the "schwein flu", the 2017 law and partly covid.
It was not a sudden change, but a slow "painful" journey (as far as I, at least, was able to observe):
- In 2005 half hour for 50 E would give you excellent sessions (BBBJ / DFK / DATY / CFS) with the majority of girls. Negative reports were few and mainly about girls who would not french kiss properly or would not partake in public sex in the kinos.
- Then there were reports about a minority of girls not kissing at all (or only in extended sessions).
- Then there were reports about shortchange of time (30 mnts sessions lasting only 15- 20 mnts) among a minority of girls and / or on crowded nights. The majority of girls remained good providers (at least in a 60 mnts session).
- More girls started to demand minimum 60 mnts sessions for GFE service (more difficult to get that in a 30 mnts session).
- Then there were more and more reports about girls increasing prices during the big exhibitions at several clubs. A disease that had started at Palace spread to other clubs like Sharks, Oase and Mainhattan.
- Then there were numerous reports about girls exploiting firsttimers with no clue about rates or standard performance, in particular demanding huge tips from Americans and double fees from Asian visitors with no English skills.
- Still after the 2017 law 50 E sessions were possible, but an increasing number of girls asked for 50 E extra for the "GFE package" (I. E. 100 E /30 and 150 E /60, usw.).
- Then during corona the locals visited the FKK girls at brothels with rates at 100 E /30 - 150 E /60 for GFE sessions. Thus this become the norm at the FKK clubs when the clubs reopened in 2022 after corona.
- If you are not able to get great 100 E /30 or 150 E /60 sessions in 2023, I'd say you are doing something wrong. I suggest trying to play a little smarter rather than giving in.
I never understood the doom and gloom speculations. It is not very helpful.[/QUOTE]When was easy to get full GFE with real fluent FK for 100/60 on 2021 at Sharks, go now to small Elektra or Simona or some other little Romanians to get real FK for 100/30 and You may experience a bit wrong and even more for 150/60 , when many ask 200/60 , like not so busy Katalea or Kloe, some asking even more, and not sure You will get kissing on a real woman level.
Sharks worth for only 1 point for me: I don t care about the mass of girls, but I understood and experienced I can sometimes find rare girls I won t find elsewhere in FKK land, just have to be able to detect. Why only at Sharks? Because of freedom there and some Germans or locals pay so expensive, when these girls from escorting won t accept rules making them problems, and then, You have to use your talent to compete versus big money guys. Only problem is some booking for whole day or night like one booked whole Saturday night, so I will have to return to discover and to make the job to compete. Good game at Sharks, I played for 200/90 for rare fresh GFE with rare fresh full natural German, or 100/40 with Ukrainian tornado who got problem on this Saturday evening, but I wish she will be fine.
[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2836065]It was surprisingly difficult to cum, not sure it was a case of too loose pussy with respect to my cock, or too much lube. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Turgid;2836115]This reminds me of one of my pet peeves at FKKs and that is the hot girl with the too loose pussy and I'm not small. Generally I hardly have this problem in Latin America and never in Asia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2836230]I hear you, I for one have encountered quite a few slack holes. I wonder how large a role the lube plays though, maybe some of the loose pussies are only slightly spacious but severely over-lubricated? Own-cock-disclaimer; judging by my condom size I should be clearly above average, so my member is only partly to blame (but I admit, it would be great to be hung like a horse![/QUOTE]IMO it's the lube.
Of course I've never seen my male friends with hardons fucking their wives and girlfriends and what you see in porn movies are guys that have been selected for their large dicks, but when I was in Globe and saw the public fucking and other guy's hard dicks, it was pretty clear to me that my dick is well above average. I don't want to sound like a mountain-climbing Frenchman, but my dick was easily the biggest in the club when comparing it to the other male visitor, but my dick size has never been an issue in the past with girlfriends or WG.
Never before did I have any problem cumming in Sharks (if there ever was a 'problem' it was cumming too quickly for my own liking, wanting more value for money, LOL!) , but since about a year or so I have a feeling that many girls in Sharks have resorted to using MASSIVE amounts of lube. Sure, I guess it makes their job easier, but it makes it more and more difficult for me to cum, sometimes having to finish by hand which sucks because a hand-job + PornHub I can do at home for free. When I visited Globe a few months ago I never had any issues cumming because Globe girls use an appropriate amount of lube: enough to make their job easy but sparingly enough for me to have a nice feeling which makes me cum easily.
The irony is that Shark girls make their own lives much more difficult by using so much lube, because the result is that they get pounded for 20-30 minutes, the guy gets all sweaty in those hot rooms which is something [U]all[/U] WGs hate, and the guy might not even be satisfied at the end. Oh well: such is the 'logic' and 'intelligence' of prostitutes. LOL!