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[QUOTE=Frank Dallas]Franks Observation: If I want a girlfriend, I'll go find one. I have limited time in Germany, and where I live opti-fucks are rare. Me...gimme the hottest opti I can find, I'm only good for 10 minutes till my back goes out. Maybe I can do three optis and drink a beer![/QUOTE]
Frank,
That's the spirit. I also love opifuks & when you can find one with great service & skills, turns into a 3 hour session.
[QUOTE=Radler]Well, if my count is correct, so far we have the following number of confirmed first hand reports of overcharging by club:
Palace: 2
GT: 2
Oase: 1
So far, your assertion of an overcharging conspiracy hasn't been substantiated by first hand accounts from board members. Of course, the picture may change with more data.
I use my radar and make my own choices, thank you very much. Never denied there were sharks at Palace, but there are sharks at GT and Oase as well.
Keeping an open mind,
Radler[/QUOTE]
Palace
Salome Brazil
After a pretty good session, she demanded 100 E because the total time was 31 minutes. I held my ground & pointed to my watch (which I always wear) saying we ended @ 27 minutes. She tried to stall in the room but I was out by the 28th minute.
Hungarian chick
Demanded 100 E because she had to work really hard (whatever that means). No kissing, CIM, COB Anal & etc. She wa pissed because I did not cum in 5 minutes. Had a good laugh after this one.
Andra Romanian
After a great first 15 minutes, she stops & demands 50 extra E to continue the session. She added if I want 40 minutes 100 E extra.
I have had several (mostly Romanians) girls ask for 100 E for 30 minutes not including extras.
World
Sandra Serbia
Demanded 150 E with no extras for 27 minutes. I again pointed to my watch & told her we ended @ 27 minutes & out the room by the 28th minute. She was adamant about the time (over 30 min) & said she deserved more because I was doing the in & out for too long.
I have had women try to stall in the room @ World, Oase & Palace, but 85% were women @ Palace. Seems like Palace is the winner, but I still have a good time there.
[QUOTE=Boomer10]My experience my not mean anything since I mostly limit myself to a small number of women I've seen before.[/QUOTE]
You can improve your chances of not being overcharged if you go with women you've been with before and with whom you've had good experiences.
In other words, why not reward positive behavior?
Its when I enter a new club or don't know the women that I most risk encountering a scam.
I always add a new club or two to my itinerary when I visit but I always set low expectations for the new club and always have my scam radar turned on to extra-sensitive to try to sense scams before they strike.
Despite my semi-consistent application of my rules of thumb for partner selection, my tests for chemistry and my years of experience, I still do get scammed.
The "running up the clock" scam I discuss earlier in this thread was totally unexpected hence my wanting to highlight it.
If I were to characterize overcharging it would probably fall into one of several categories:
1) A dispute concerning which services were performed (what is considered an extra charge, z. B.),
2) A dispute concerning the amount of actual time spent together either in the form of:
a) short timing
b) running up the clock
c) billing you for couch time
3) A dispute concerning services not performed at all (as when she sits with you, you lock lips but don't go beyond that but she still thinks you owe her money).
4) She is physically there but doesn't get into it, is too distant or otherwise just going through the motions.
I am particularly sensitive to 4) as I need to feel that she is giving it 100%.
Are there any overcharging issues out there to add to this list?
[QUOTE=Jackyo]4) She is physically there but doesn't get into it, is too distant or otherwise just going through the motions.
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I personally don't consider this over charging but rather bad service. As long as there is a BJ and/or penetration involved, she has technically met the requirements for compensation. I can remember some really bad sessions which involved really bad BJs and or really bad fucking. In the end, I paid my 50E and escaped. I can't say this qualifies as overcharging. I put it in the same category as rushing or being mechanical, only this is a more severe infraction.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]You can improve your chances of not being overcharged if you go with women you've been with before and with whom you've had good experiences.
In other words, why not reward positive behavior?
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I think this may have to do with why I tend to get good service at Palace. The place is sharky, not denying that.
I do tend to repeat with women I like. My usual routine is I try someone new for the first session and go back to old favorites for sessions two and three. The women see this and know I repeat with some women, so I think I tend to good sessions because there is an awareness that I am a potential regular customer.
The other thing that I think works in my favor is I like an FT finish for about half my sessions. I have talked to some other guys that tended to have good sessions at Palace and the common thread seemed to be that they all paid for extras, either extra time, FT or anal from time to time. I think word gets out on the girl-vine and that influences the service we get.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Hey LBC,
Great executive summary!
Do you have a Powerpoint presentation to go with that too?
Some graphs would complete the picture.[/QUOTE]Jackyo,
Thanks for the feedback. I'll change my style again. Sorry. It was only meant to be a quick summary of what I did in NRW for my trip and to provide some feedback to me on what I liked or did not like. Maybe there would have been something informative to others in there too.
I intend to write my fuller and descriptive reports later on and post them in their respective forums.
No, no powerpoint slides. I do not use powerpoint - I have the ask the younger ones to do them for me. I do use handouts.
No graphs either but I am a visual kind of guy. I like using colours in my presentations and reports better than numbers.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
[QUOTE=Radler]I think this may have to do with why I tend to get good service at Palace. The place is sharky, not denying that.
I do tend to repeat with women I like. My usual routine is I try someone new for the first session and go back to old favorites for sessions two and three. The women see this and know I repeat with some women, so I think I tend to good sessions because there is an awareness that I am a potential regular customer.
The other thing that I think works in my favor is I like an FT finish for about half my sessions. I have talked to some other guys that tended to have good sessions at Palace and the common thread seemed to be that they all paid for extras, either extra time, FT or anal from time to time. I think word gets out on the girl-vine and that influences the service we get.[/QUOTE]
Radler,
You are definitely on to something here...
[QUOTE=Radler]I think this may have to do with why I tend to get good service at Palace.
The other thing that I think works in my favor is I like an FT finish for about half my sessions. I have talked to some other guys that tended to have good sessions at Palace and the common thread seemed to be that they all paid for extras, either extra time, FT or anal from time to time. I think word gets out on the girl-vine and that influences the service we get.[/QUOTE]Dear Radler,
In my own mind I believe that I receive good service in general from the girls that I choose to have sessions with. If I can get a sweat inducing, mind blowing orgasm from a pretty girl working her heart out on my dick with her tight pussy, arse or warm wet luscious mouth then I think I have hit a home run. If you note my posts I tend to upgrade to the FT or COA finish as a matter of course. Some girls know this now and are happy to take me back to the room.
I have also been experimenting with my diet and I had at least one girl come back asking if we could do another FT finish again in the same night. I even had one girl swallow and not spit as is the norm. Good girl. I have got to go back and see her again.
In saying all this though as I tend for the 100 (in Hessen) or 75 (in NRW) sesssions I think the girls are happier to do the deeds. I do not think the girls talk much about their clients, but I know one did and she told me about some of the deeds she did in the rooms that day. Fun to listen to as you realise that you kinky stuff pales in comparison and its fun fondling her intimately as she relates them. Anyway I digress. I agree that if you pay a bit more you recieve a GFE moreso. Some girls say if you go for the hour then its a better time was on offer and you do recieve the full hour in my experience.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
[QUOTE=Ortos]Radler,
You are definitely on to something here...[/QUOTE]
Ortos, you read my thoughts...
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
If I were to characterize overcharging it would probably fall into one of several categories:
1) A dispute concerning which services were performed (what is considered an extra charge, z. B.),
2) A dispute concerning the amount of actual time spent together either in the form of:
a) short timing
b) running up the clock
c) billing you for couch time
3) A dispute concerning services not performed at all (as when she sits with you, you lock lips but don't go beyond that but she still thinks you owe her money).
4) She is physically there but doesn't get into it, is too distant or otherwise just going through the motions.
I am particularly sensitive to 4) as I need to feel that she is giving it 100%.
Are there any overcharging issues out there to add to this list?[/QUOTE]
Hi Jackyo
Youve just reminded me of a trip to World a couple of years ago. There was a totally gorgeous, tall blond with big boobs from Smolensk. She had a wonderful, playful personality and seemed pretty busy. She was completely and utterly my type and I fell for her. I still did my usual, however, of talking to her first and negotiating what I would get for what money basically 30 minutes for 50 and I would upgrade mid-session if I felt like it.
We started and the sex was incredible. Then I was doing her - missionary style, and immediately her personality changed as if she had pressed a button. She basically would not let me continue until I had agreed to an hour. What do you do? Well, I did what I imagine most men would have done namely thought with my balls and caved in. We probably then had a 35 minute session for 100.
I had just met some guys from Berlin and one of them wanted to do her too. I specifically warned him that Shes a businesswoman, nothing more, nothing less. Be careful. Their dispute ended with an argument at the reception desk when he claimed that whilst he was orgasming, she moved her body under his so that he came over her and she demanded an extra 50. He had to pay.
Kingwenslas
[QUOTE=Travelerb69]Ortos, you read my thoughts...[/QUOTE]
As I talk to more of the girls, the more convinced I am that this is what is going on. I'll relate two incidents. I was chatting at Oase with a woman that LBC just loves. Nice girl. As we are talking she says something to the effect "I don't like men that want to know what is included and what I do for 50E. For 50E I want him done in 10 minutes." However, for LBC, she was a sweetheart. And from talking to her, I think she would have been a good session.
The second incident was a year or two ago. I was at Palace and planning on going with Reggi/Vicki. I caught her between sessions (she was a busy girl). She wanted to eat before we sessioned. I sat with her and chatted. She basically told me that she didn't like going with men for a half an hour for only 50E. She wasn't bitchy about, she just seemed to think she deserved more to fuck and suck. I told her I didn't really want to go beyond half an hour but if things went well I was happy to go for the FT finish. She was happy with that and it turned out to be a great session.
Remember that at least as far back as 2001, the standard price has been 50E/100DM. Basically there has been no cost of living increase in at least 7 years. I think what we are seeing is a bit a subtle protest over wage stagnation.
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I do not think the girls talk much about their clients.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.
[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.[/QUOTE]
I agree. The Romanian clicks seem to talk about all the guys they sessioned with.
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I agree. The Romanian clicks seem to talk about all the guys they sessioned with.[/QUOTE]
I can verify the Serbo-Croatian clique at Oase shares notes as well. I repeat with the Croatian Amazon Mia as I dig her looks and she always makes sure I am happy. After sessioning with two Croatian ladies on Sunday, their Serbian friend (I had seen them hanging together) was repeatedly approaching me for a session. I would have gone had I any left in me.
I think in the interest of Balkan peace, I should session with her next time I am at Oase.
I also overheard two ladies talking about a bloke in the Kino. One of the girls said to the other that he was clean, polite and gentle. She seemed to approve of the bloke. That was all I heard of the conversation before they realized I was close enough to hear them.
[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.[/QUOTE]Radler,
I have changed my mind and agree with you. The feedback that I have received of late from the girls is yes that they talk non stop amongst themselves about the customers as to their likes and dislikes, not sure on the money side but if you talk about he likes time with girl or likes to have sex or likes all the naughty extras the girls can work out what the guy pays.
Yes, I need to balance up my menu of slim leggy blondes. I need to make a short list from my "girls seen" lists and get back there again to even the score.
Londonbasketcase