Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1603055]If you think that most of the girls don't do a random bareback and one member's frank comment about doing BBFS changes things, then you are all deluding yourself. Mongering is a risky business, and most people know what they are doing without having to be judged by others.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. However I feel sorry for the "tall and slim lady" of BJ, she certainly lost some potential customers. Hopefully she did not get something that she can pass to customers not reading this forum.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1603052]Oh goody! Here comes the safe sex debate. At least this will be better than the sky is falling or price war debate. Hey Custard, feel free to join in, would love to read your views on this.[/QUOTE]I'd be curious, why is it when someone here starts talking about bareback there comes out of the wall preacher like sermons warning against it. And for the most part rightly so IMHO.

But where is the same indignation when DATY gets raved about?

I would think the male in both cases has the same chances of contracting something.

I'the really like some "facts" about this, not just opinions based on preferences.

[QUOTE=Custard;1599951]Let me tell you the unpleasant truth, white boy. The single most important thing you have to know about living among Thais is this: they don't like you. Yeah, I know, they wai you like crazy, and they salute you every time you walk through a door, and they shout out that you're a handsome man when you're just walking down the street. It's all pretty pleasant, I admit, sort of like standing in a warm shower all day long. The problem, of course, is eventually you start believing that bullshit and think you've found the one place on earth where your true worth as a human being has finally been recognized. Don't be stupid. Regardless of how deferentially Thais may act toward you, they truly don't like you, not even a little bit. Worse, all their phony groveling has probably caused you to forget who you really are. So here's the thing to remember: no matter how much they fawn over you, you're still just the same hopeless schmuck you were back in Fresno or Stuttgart or Birmingham. Keep that in mind, and you'll probably get by okay.

Jake Needham.

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This really makes a lot of sense. We are just customers![/QUOTE]It may make sense in BKK or Phuket, but get out into the real Thailand, red shirt territory and you'll find it is not all that way.

[QUOTE=Bangala;1603119]I agree with you. However I feel sorry for the "tall and slim lady" of BJ, she certainly lost some potential customers. .[/QUOTE]Maybe, but she will also gain a sizeable amount of customers who are just like the OP who want her and girls just like her.

[QUOTE=TConor;1603142]It may make sense in BKK or Phuket, but get out into the real Thailand, red shirt territory and you'll find it is not all that way.[/QUOTE]Nope just a quote and spot on. My friends who live in other SE Asian and East Asian nations all have local male friends. Good friends as well. In Thailand I just don't know Western guys who have really close male Thai friends. One exception being Thais that spent the majority of their lives in the West and returned. And those Thais even feel a bit alienated from the Thai males here.

It is not just a function of language. There are different things at play here.

I would agree that when you get beyond the Farang Ghetto of Lower Suk in BKK and away from the beach areas it changes. People are far more "friendly. " Do they "like" us? Perhaps a bit more. But most Thais (particularly the men) feel that the are superior to foreigners. One needs look no father than the laws regarding foreigners and immigration policies. The women are a bit better, but many of them hold the same attitude.

I do like half this island!

[QUOTE=TConor;1603140]I'd be curious, why is it when someone here starts talking about bareback there comes out of the wall preacher like sermons warning against it. And for the most part rightly so IMHO.

But where is the same indignation when DATY gets raved about?

I would think the male in both cases has the same chances of contracting something.

I'the really like some "facts" about this, not just opinions based on preferences.[/QUOTE]Conquerer Val is spot on. It is a risky hobby. Even with "protection" you are at risk for herpes and warts. Monger enough and you will contract something. You just have to ask yourself; Is it worth it? If the answer is no, then you have the wrong hobby. If the answer is yes, then be mentally prepared to have some "issues" at some point.

If a friend told me he enjoyed driving local freeways at 100 mph, I would strongly urge him not to. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid. When I read a recent post here about bareback intercourse, I indicated I would avoid his girl. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid.

I understand some here like BBFS. I guess they can do whatever they choose. Unfortunately their actions can harm other innocent, smarter people.

And daty is less risky than BBFS to those that didn't know this.

[QUOTE=Allover;1603172]If a friend told me he enjoyed driving local freeways at 100 mph, I would strongly urge him not to. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid. When I read a recent post here about bareback intercourse, I indicated I would avoid his girl. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid.

I understand some here like BBFS. I guess they can do whatever they choose. Unfortunately their actions can harm other innocent, smarter people.

And daty is less risky than BBFS to those that didn't know this.[/QUOTE]I understand your argument that bareback sex can be dangerous for the monger engaging in it, but what I don't understand is how his risky behavior will affect the next monger, such as yourself, for example, if you use protection? Isn't that the purpose for using a condom; to protect yourself against any STD's the girl might have contracted from other mongers? Why should you worry about or become disgusted by what other mongers are doing and the risks they are taking as long as you continue to use protection?

It's dangerous for the girl, too. Personally I like BBBJ or daty. Not smart behavior but I take my chances sometimes. I would prefer not to do it with an infected girl. I understand the joys of BBFS but I choose not to do it in Thailand. At the end of the day it is "up to you" whether or not to use a condom. I hope most will make the intelligent choice.

Since there is another forum for this topic I won't hijack this thread any more than I already have.

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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1603163]Nope just a quote and spot on. My friends who live in other SE Asian and East Asian nations all have local male friends. Good friends as well. In Thailand I just don't know Western guys who have really close male Thai friends. One exception being Thais that spent the majority of their lives in the West and returned. And those Thais even feel a bit alienated from the Thai males here.

It is not just a function of language. There are different things at play here.

I would agree that when you get beyond the Farang Ghetto of Lower Suk in BKK and away from the beach areas it changes. People are far more "friendly. " Do they "like" us? Perhaps a bit more. But most Thais (particularly the men) feel that the are superior to foreigners. One needs look no father than the laws regarding foreigners and immigration policies. The women are a bit better, but many of them hold the same attitude.

I do like half this island![/QUOTE]I think they know that the way the drive compared to us is just the tip of the iceberg.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1602994]What's the name of the BJ Bar (if you remember)?

Just to clarify, did you convince the girl to provide FS without a condom I. E. Did you go bareback? Very risky![/QUOTE]From the location I assume he's referring to Kasalong.

[QUOTE=TConor;1603140]I'd be curious, why is it when someone here starts talking about bareback there comes out of the wall preacher like sermons warning against it. And for the most part rightly so IMHO.

But where is the same indignation when DATY gets raved about?

I would think the male in both cases has the same chances of contracting something.

I'the really like some "facts" about this, not just opinions based on preferences.[/QUOTE]Preachers are not appreciated on the forum, in fact I seem to recall their maybe some rules forbidding it. We don't religious nuts coming on this forum.

If you read widely (you can't expect facts on a forum), I believe you will realise that DATY is actually not terribly dangerous even if things like Chlamydia are caught incredibly easily. HIV was never caught from DATY. Most people who will get Herpes have it already. BBBJ is reported to be significantly more risky than DATY, but still far less risky than BBFS, however may not be advisable for girl to swallow. Not sure if stomach acid kills everything immediately.

When you consider it, kissing a girl can transmit diseases or even more so just breathing the air the girl breathed out or visa versa. The only way to minimise risks is have no contact with humans at all.

What I will say is this. I know of a Thai girl, who was best friend of a girl I liked over 20 years ago, who has been working as a hooker for over 20 years and now has HIV+ or AIDS (I did not actually see her condition - was her friend who told me) . I expect she has been doing BBFS with Thais for many years. I think it catches up with all the girls eventually. Guys catch it less easily and may get lucky (or may not). I expect she got it from a guy as don't believe she injects. She does have a Thai BF/pimp. Was a very cute pretty Thai girl in her hey-day.

[QUOTE=TConor;1603254]I think they know that the way the drive compared to us is just the tip of the iceberg.[/QUOTE]That passive aggressiveness really comes out behind the wheel.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1603207]I understand your argument that bareback sex can be dangerous for the monger engaging in it, but what I don't understand is how his risky behavior will affect the next monger, such as yourself, for example, if you use protection? [/QUOTE]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.

As for the next monger, he's 2-degrees separated, but even with a condom, mongering in an environment where 10% providers are HIV+ is 10 x more dangerous than one where 1% are HIV+. Moreover, you might snag another barebacker, which isn't a good thing either.