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[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2810397]It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.

I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.[/QUOTE]It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2810359]I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me! [/QUOTE]WAB: You made plans to come before reading the Board?

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2810359]I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her.[/QUOTE]I don't think its exaggerated. I disagree with the extent of what NS has said, but I think much of what he says is based in reality. Back when you were going to AC, there were few K bars. Things have since changed. One of the basic changes is that while an AC gogo girl costs half the amount of a Burgos gogo gal, you are likely to get her for ST (hence, half the fun); meaning its the same value. Best to check with the girl / mama before the barfine on her departure time. Some bars now have a divided BF system; example p4000 for ST and 5000 LT.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2810397]I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.[/QUOTE]It appears that there are two AC's out in the open now, and that's a problem. Like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. I can see, from that perspective, why the gents would give it a pass. You want to know in advance what the 'norm' is, but when there are two different norms, its hard to grasp or bother with it.

Get thee to Patts, getns, and leave the expensive pina-poon to me.

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2810359] coming on Wednesday for a week.[/QUOTE]I hope you do a follow post describing the differences between then and now.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2810456]It appears that there are two AC's out in the open now, and that's a problem. Like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. I can see, from that perspective, why the gents would give it a pass. You want to know in advance what the 'norm' is, but when there are two different norms, its hard to grasp or bother with it.

Get thee to Patts, getns, and leave the expensive pina-poon to me.[/QUOTE]I'd suggest that guys already have voted with their feet and wallets. Just compare the number of bums on seats reports here to Patts. The number of real time reports now is a fraction of 12,24, or more, months ago and also against competing monger areas. We are now lucky to see two live reports a month.

I'd certainly agree with the two ACs concept. Some guys turn up and have a great time (admittedly at 5000 a pop). Others either don't barfine at all or have a miserable time. Despite the amount of abuse hurled between the two camps, in terms of satisfying their priorities, both are right.

Personally, I haven't been persuaded not to return as I go to the bars to meet up with other guys, have a perve and a drink but very rarely to actually barfine. I use numerous other ways to get laid in town and I generally get bored after a few days and move on. Suits me well but I understand that YMMV for others.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2810473]I'd suggest that guys already have voted with their feet and wallets. Just compare the number of bums on seats reports here to Patts. The number of real time reports now is a fraction of 12,24, or more, months ago and also against competing monger areas. We are now lucky to see two live reports a month.
[/QUOTE]Well I am not a reports kinda guy, but I can yolo. I am here now in AC, haven't been here since 2016, didn't like the way things were going then, so I got out, don't like it now either. But what I am looking for is probably entirely different than what most others are looking for, maybe I am not normal. If I was say (this is just me) under 50 years of age, had only a couple weeks to yolo not a huge bank account, had moderate to little game, enjoyed both quality over quantity AND quantity over quality, wanted someplace relatively safe, got tired of the whole mechanical thing, enjoyed your commands being obeyed, english was my only spoken language, want to also have decent conversation with the girls, enjoyed shootin' fish in a barrel, then yes, YES this is still a great place / value.

[QUOTE=JordCo;2810418]It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Yeah true this. If, in the future, there is, once again, a large US Military presence in Luzon it means missiles are flying over the South China Sea and neither K-Mongers or Western Expats of a certain age will be found anywhere in Luzon. I see Thailand staying neutral and failing this, Brazil as the backup. I can tell you one thing, no femboy k-sissies in Copacabana.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2810016]So we should make Subic our new haunt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2810397]It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.[/QUOTE]Ya I wasn't joking about that. I would like to make my first Subic visit this year. An influx of westerners there could cause a draw there of provincial ladies. Would the Koreanos also follow?

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2810402]Its a place now, where Americans are competing with Koreans, beacause they want a second Costa Rica far from home.

Paying barfines 5-7 K or giving freelancers Plane Janes single Moms 3 K ST. OMG![/QUOTE]DB, can you give us a hint of current (not pre-covid) Costa Rica or DR prices, including ST / LT, condom / no condom? I ask so the gents can compare. Mexico has experienced its own covid-related inflation in girlie prices of about 50% (and, as before covid, condoms in MX are always required). Hence, a Phils inflation (as everywhere else) is maybe not so out of line.

And speaking of condoms, the gents who've mentioned Thailand. Is the condom generally required, or generally not mentioned by girls?

Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required. Bareback is the norm in Phils and THAT IS WHY WE GO THERE. I would rather have a bare handjob than vaginal penetration with a condom. That's me. I understand not everybody is in that boat. So go somewhere else. That's why I will continue to return to the Phils. Hopefully in a couple months.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2810546]Ya I wasn't joking about that. I would like to make my first Subic visit this year. An influx of westerners there could cause a draw there of provincial ladies. Would the Koreanos also follow?

DB, can you give us a hint of current (not pre-covid) Costa Rica or DR prices, including ST / LT, condom / no condom? I ask so the gents can compare. Mexico has experienced its own covid-related inflation in girlie prices of about 50% (and, as before covid, condoms in MX are always required). Hence, a Phils inflation (as everywhere else) is maybe not so out of line.

And speaking of condoms, the gents who've mentioned Thailand. Is the condom generally required, or generally not mentioned by girls?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Transporter;2810479]SNIP want to also have decent conversation with the girls, enjoyed shootin' fish in a barrel, then yes, YES this is still a great place / value.[/QUOTE]Life is full of trade-offs.

[QUOTE=JordCo;2810418]It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans SNIP If you're younger and only there for a week and not willing to let a 1000-2000 peso price change ruin your week then you will do fine[/QUOTE]Good observations*.

[QUOTE=JordCo;2810416]Consider most of the info on here relevant to a 60+, penny watching mongerer.[/QUOTE]Haha you seem to know a lot about me.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2810586]Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required. Bareback is the norm in Phils and THAT IS WHY WE GO THERE. I would rather have a bare handjob than vaginal penetration with a condom. That's me. SNIP That's why I will continue to return to the Phils.[/QUOTE]Me also. Let me speak to that. For that option, you would expect to pay more (for those that want it, no different than a gent who wants anal or CIM). If you were willing to pay p3000 (2000 b) to a Patts gal who insisted on a condom, you'd gladly pay more for a gal (say, pinay) who didn't. Or the trade-off is the condom Thai gal is prettier, and worth the same as a pinay who is less pretty but does CIP.

* Let me re-suggest something that is already up and running in AC (and Burgos). The TIP, discussed in advance. You think the Koreans don't do that? Famously they toss around big tips in addition to the barfine, regardless of whether or not they sex a girl (hence its already up / running in AC). What would be the harm in offering your prospective gogo cutie an extra 1000 (substitute your own value) if she agreed to your list of deeds (ie, number of pops, departure time in the morning). Your barfine increases from 5 k to 6 k, still 40% less than a Burgos gal (for the same service). A loss for you and a win for the girl? Or a win-win? Food 4 thought. Who's the femboy here -- the Korean? Us?

[QUOTE=JordCo;2810416]It is true about Koreans going to bar fine very early and on the weekend there may be no decent ones by the evening. Go earlier, agree an all day / night barfine and tip and I'm sure you'll do fine.[/QUOTE]Great advice! Thank you.

I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59! Are there any other times of the day anyone can recommend for popular shift starts for the girls? Admittedly, I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.

My flight arrives at midnight tomorrow and I'll be damned if I'm sleeping alone on my first night, I guess I'm going to have to settle for severe left overs in quality! Oh well. Dollhouse and Atlantis used to be my go-to back in the day. Can anyone recommend my best bet bar to hit up at midnight when I arrive?

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2810586]Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required.[/QUOTE]FWIW, my experience from Thailand (2021) was that massage parlor girls require condoms whereas young freelancers never do.

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2810687]Great advice! Thank you.

I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59! Are there any other times of the day anyone can recommend for popular shift starts for the girls? Admittedly, I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.[/QUOTE]Sounds like me when I first arrive back in town: a bull in a China shop, chasing all the hottest girls, taking a couple of days to remember that the K girls are the most obnoxious and poorest performing girls imaginable, then settling in to have a great time with the less stunning but much more fun girls.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2810687]
I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59!
I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.
My flight arrives at midnight tomorrow and I'll be damned if I'm sleeping alone on my first night, I guess I'm going to have to settle for severe left overs in quality! Oh well.[/QUOTE]"best looking" is relative/personal. Kind of got to remember they are on filipino time. Even if they start at 10 they are busy putting on make up, getting dressed, and socializing on their phone. The ones up and in the shute at 10 are the ones that don't get much play. But if this is really your play, then you can just catch them as they are walking into the bar (just have to remember some bars have back / side entrance).

You don't necessarily have to change your MO, there are plenty to go around (maybe thurs-sat you might want to adjust). Also they work around 10 hours shifts (variance in bar to bar). So if they start at 10 done at 8 start at 11 done at 9 and so on. You can get these girls after there shift without the bar fine. If you are an ST guy, then it opens up a whole nother market. If an ST girl gets barfined, they will be back in the bar later. I went to 3 bars last night (keep in mind this was Monday evening so the girls that don't need the cash will opt out). I chatted with some servers, and they said a lot of girls did not come to work tonight. That being said the 3 bars I went to were genesis, carousel, and 123. In genesis there were 2 black shifts with 30-40 in each shift and a red shift maybe 8 girls. This was at 1930 and the average (guys come in and out) number of customers was 7. 8 at any given time. For those that like those spinners I took notice of that also, basically it was about 60/40 below and above 50 kg (numbers slightly skewed because the dance crew are bigger girls). At carousels there were only about 20 girls (not sure if I saw them all) can't exactly remember the exact time I walked in as its a bit of a blur, I saw 2 shifts but there may have been more. There were about 12 customers, and the baboy ratio was 80/20; below 50/ above 50 kg. The last bar I walked into before grabbing some swarma and calling it a night was 123 and there were only about 2 customers on average at any given time. There were a dozen girls that I saw on stage, but there may have been more as they were walking in and out and roaming. Baboy ratio was about 75/25.

Bottom line I would have no problem pulling the trigger with 30% of all the girls on stage cumulatively.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2810858]"best looking" is relative/personal. Kind of got to remember they are on filipino time. Even if they start at 10 they are busy putting on make up, getting dressed, and socializing on their phone. The ones up and in the shute at 10 are the ones that don't get much play. But if this is really your play, then you can just catch them as they are walking into the bar (just have to remember some bars have back / side entrance)...[/QUOTE]If Boyz wants to party with a hottie all night and into to the early hours, then hoping to grab her at 10 am and then keep her all night, possibly into the next day is a big ask:

1/. She will miss out on an entire day / night's drinks and dancing commissions. No hotty is going to agree to this as it's the bulk of her paycheck.

2/. Many morning shift girls work these hours so that they can get back to kids, family or other commitments. Don't be surprised if agrees to leave early but stipulates that she needs to be out the door by 3 pm.

3/. The hottest girls work when there are the most customers and therefore highest commissions (see 1/ above). This is why, generally speaking, the hottest girls are working early evening to closing time.

If Boyz wants to party hard all night, best to get a girl closer to that time. If he wants a morning plaything, then just get WhatsApp numbers off the hot girls and get them to drop around before work. If he wants to get rid of morning wood ie real early, just keep a girl long time overnight. Good luck raising the dead and getting a new girl up, dressed and in your room before 11. It just ain't happening. Most are barely waking up by 4 pm.

Enjoy. G.

I should have added that civilians are the total opposite: up early to get shit done during the day. Many are happy to meet before their midday duties.

Boyz is not going to find them in the bar or on the street though. Online or face to face is best so I'm not sure if he has the time or inclination for those.

G.