[QUOTE=OldKool;2130154].... I will call BS when I see it....[/QUOTE]We all have that right.
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[QUOTE=OldKool;2130154].... I will call BS when I see it....[/QUOTE]We all have that right.
[QUOTE=OldKool;2130154]Both girls were pros. One I had been with me on my previous trip and who retired from Sosua. I had a very good time with her and wantd to repeat. The other was also a retired Sousa girl in her 30's. To be honest I regretted inviting both of them. This is why I did what I did. The non weekend girls are pretty hard core and not very appealing to me. I had hoped that these giirls would provide better service and some GFE. However I saw many hot new chicas who I was not able get to because of my committment to my imports My statements were honest observation based on personal experience. Even on a bad night Sosua has more hot babes then any man can handle. Not to mention at my age 20 year old pussy is a big deal. I write my post to help other guys. I share the good and the bad. This can be very helpful but I will call BS when I see it. If any one has been to Classicos and there were more guys then girls please share.[/QUOTE]What is so bad about bringing hookers to Sosua, pro, semi pro and OP (occasional pro, LOL)?
I must have availed myself of dozens, if not hundreds, of chicas, in exchange for some material benefit, and money, over the years.
Thinking back, I don't recall even one of them actually being a Sosua native. Seems they all come in from out of town.
From my old long time regular, to my current little group, none of them actually lives in Sosua. My buddy, who has been with me off and on for the last couple years has the same experience.
A good question might be, why do we bring them in to Sosua?
That's where Sosua shines. The friendly little town, the beaches, the restaurants, the cheap and accessible friendly hotels, familiar faces, PP and Cabarete close by, and the scenery, yes even the girls enjoy looking at the passing scene from a seat in Baileys or Sinatras, or even Casa Marina, while sipping a glass of wine. Likely they'll see a neighbour from their little town with some monger, and a hola!
As long as folks are happy with what they are doing, who cares?
It's the miserable ones you have to look out for.
In my time in Sosua, I have met a few malcontents, that didn't know how to handle themselves, and the Charlie Brown black cloud seemed to follow them around. These people are a pain in the ass with their constant rip off stories. I used to engage them and ask, why are you here? But that conversation went nowhere.
I once got blamed by a guy I'd met at my hotel, (I posted the story here) who asked to join the fun at our table when, after groping a chica for half an hour, she asked him for money! There was a scene, drinks were spilled, and he says I thought she was your friend? I even got blamed for trying to help a guy with a contact, because she didn't like him.
So I decided a long time ago to remane anonymous, and stay away from other mongers, and their complaints. I fell for it again though this last time, I usually check out a couple of my favorite bars. I was leaving one, and the guy next to me asked where I was going, I told him and he invited himself along. Ok.
When we get there, his eyes light up when he see's all the chicas I know, and says he'd like to by a couple of drinks but he doesn't have enough money. I point up the street to the locations of at least 2 ATM machines. He insists I loan him the money, but I'd only just met him, but he saw me give 200 pesos to an old hoe to buy food, so he bitched. I said because you came with me to my bar I will buy you your drink, but I'm not your bank ok?
He started to get antsy and loud, and my trusty radar tells me that something was building here, so I drank up and left. Made a point of buying him his first beer. I was back there a couple days later and the staff just rolled their eyes at the guy. I apologized, but it wasn't necessary, they know me well. I ran into him later and he said thanks for getting me into trouble. You just can't win! Lol
So that's why I stick with the locals. They are much nicer friends than most mongers I have met! Mongers want your info and local contacts! Then they get all insecure about having had to ask you, and their ego gets bruised, in their own eyes. There's always this dichotomy, and tension in a mongers mind about him being a Mr Big, or just another a poor slob who has to pay hookers to get what God gave out for free! :)
As always, IMHO, YMMV!
How far can we extend ourselves for a newbie?
Last weekend I met a first timer who had strayed from the Hamaca resort. He asked me the scoop on things so I had him meet me on the strip that night. First I explained the rules: Don't let a girl sit at our table unless you are more than sure you might take her, don't buy them exotic drinks, get the bedroom price and rules before hand, don't mislead the girls. Well we sit on the strip at Piano bar and as soon as he sees a big ass he forgets everything I told him now I got to try to do damage control. One girl winks comes over, shakes his hand and her and a friend are at our table. I tell the friend that seat is taken and they both double team the dude. The waitress appears and looks at the ladies and they both order double baileys. I tell him to buy them president beers and he said it's okay. They talk ten minutes and one girl asked for 100 usd for two hours. He tells me this and I tell her that's nowhere near the price of girls walking the street. She doesn't budge and gives me mean looks. He is stuck and I told him don't let them sit down but he said she just did it. I explained you got to be firm with these girls. She walks off and the waitress brings dude his 800 peso beer for the two drinks. Five minutes later another sits down with him. I go to the restroom and the waitress stops me. She said I come here all the time and many people respect me but its not a good look to get the reputation of someone who stops Dominicans from eating. The girls have to make money and my friend wants to spend money so let him. Damn, now this is falling back on me.
A girl I call my little sister walks by and kisses me and the guy goes crazy. I figure she speaks English so maybe he can't fuck this up. She sits down and asks for a water. The other wolves are sitting around looking pissed at our table.
They leave and two hours later I get a call. Dude is upset because the girl is raising hell in the room. I ask him to put the phone on speaker. My sister said the guy doesn't want to pay her. I ask him and he said she never asked for money beforehand, plus he thought she wasn't a hooker because she was my friend. I explained that he met her on the strip and girls don't walk there to trick for free. She wants 2500 pesos and he offers 1000 pesos. I explained to dude that he paid almost that for two girls to sit and talk for ten minutes. I mediated the shit whereas dude would give her 1500 pesos and I would give her 500 pesos next time I see her. I didn't want the situation escalating on the newbie I somehow felt responsible for.
My rule has always been to explain the rules and if they don't follow them the wolves will eat. But it's hard sitting there watching a guy get booked. How do the vets and expats living there handle these type of situations? How far do we extend ourselves schooling newbies? Much appreciated.
Great story, MrGogo !
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]I go to the restroom and the waitress stops me. She said I come here all the time and many people respect me but its not a good look to get the reputation of someone who stops Dominicans from eating. The girls have to make money and my friend wants to spend money so let him. Damn, now this is falling back on me.[/QUOTE]I would have told her to mind her own fucking business.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]Well we sit on the strip at Piano bar and as soon as he sees a big ass he forgets everything I told him now I got to try to do damage control.[/QUOTE]You gave him your rules. As soon as he disrespected you by immediately ignoring them I would have walked. I certainly would not have fixed him up with a chica I respected.
Pretty clear the guy was a half-wit, though I guess that might only be that obvious in retrospect.
When I used to roll with a larger group in Sosua, one guy came down from flyover America for a week. He brought the bare minimum to cover his food, drinks and board but nothing for the chicas, so he offered them all I. O. U.s
I see nothing wrong with inviting a chica I do not know to sit at my table for a small Presidente or refresco. I think the time it takes to drink it is about the right amount of time to assess her. (if she asks for a Baileys or a Corona, then she is already "assessed". Next!) Better to waste five times beer money than take an avoidable dud back to my room.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]How far can we extend ourselves for a newbie?
Last weekend I met a first timer who had strayed from the Hamaca resort. He asked me the scoop on things so I had him meet me on the strip that night. First I explained the rules: Don't let a girl sit at our table unless you are more than sure you might take her, don't buy them exotic drinks, get the bedroom price and rules before hand, don't mislead the girls. Well we sit on the strip at Piano bar and as soon as he sees a big ass he forgets everything I told him now I got to try to do damage control. One girl winks comes over, shakes his hand and her and a friend are at our table. I tell the friend that seat is taken and they both double team the dude. The waitress appears and looks at the ladies and they both order double baileys. I tell him to buy them president beers and he said it's okay. They talk ten minutes and one girl asked for 100 usd for two hours. He tells me this and I tell her that's nowhere near the price of girls walking the street. She doesn't budge and gives me mean looks. He is stuck and I told him don't let them sit down but he said she just did it. I explained you got to be firm with these girls. She walks off and the waitress brings dude his 800 peso beer for the two drinks. Five minutes later another sits down with him. I go to the restroom and the waitress stops me. She said I come here all the time and many people respect me but its not a good look to get the reputation of someone who stops Dominicans from eating. The girls have to make money and my friend wants to spend money so let him. Damn, now this is falling back on me.
A girl I call my little sister walks by and kisses me and the guy goes crazy. I figure she speaks English so maybe he can't fuck this up. She sits down and asks for a water. The other wolves are sitting around looking pissed at our table.
They leave and two hours later I get a call. Dude is upset because the girl is raising hell in the room. I ask him to put the phone on speaker. My sister said the guy doesn't want to pay her. I ask him and he said she never asked for money beforehand, plus he thought she wasn't a hooker because she was my friend. I explained that he met her on the strip and girls don't walk there to trick for free. She wants 2500 pesos and he offers 1000 pesos. I explained to dude that he paid almost that for two girls to sit and talk for ten minutes. I mediated the shit whereas dude would give her 1500 pesos and I would give her 500 pesos next time I see her. I didn't want the situation escalating on the newbie I somehow felt responsible for.
My rule has always been to explain the rules and if they don't follow them the wolves will eat. But it's hard sitting there watching a guy get booked. How do the vets and expats living there handle these type of situations? How far do we extend ourselves schooling newbies? Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]An age old question!
The age old answer? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Unless he / she is a child or a family member, speak your piece, go on the record, then get out of the way. There's only so much you can do for a stranger. You have no right to make their decisions for them. If your advice turns out to be good, they will come to realize it over time and will respect you.
If you want to spend your precious vacation time protecting fools from themselves, there are groups you can join for that, like this forum.
But like here in this Forum, good advice to some is bad advice to others. My advice? Don't try to play God. Live and let live and move on! Some people insist on making their own mistakes.
My kids learned early, they can respectfully diagree with my opinions, as long as they don't try to insist that they are are "right" and I am "wrong"!
Put a more commonnly familiar way, people are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts!
Let's face it if we could all agree, there would be no flaming here among mongers, no Wars, and no need for those gun totin' cops that are needed on your own streets to stop your own neighbors doing bad things to your family, and stealing all your stuff!
[QUOTE=Oakie;2130396]... no need for those gun totin' cops that are needed on your own streets to stop your own neighbors doing bad things to your family, and stealing all your stuff![/QUOTE]I am English. I do not understand this part of your otherwise excellent post.
[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;2130398]I am English. I do not understand this part of your otherwise excellent post.[/QUOTE]LOL.
I think it has something to do with the human condition. I added it for the benefit of those who naively believe we can all see reason and logic and all "just get along", if we can just come together, elect the right leader, spend enough money, or turn our swords into ploughshares, or something!
There's a reason that guy with the sawed off shotgun hangs around the ATM!
There's some bad dudes out there!
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]I go to the restroom and the waitress stops me. She said I come here all the time and many people respect me but its not a good look to get the reputation of someone who stops Dominicans from eating. The girls have to make money and my friend wants to spend money so let him. Damn, now this is falling back on me.
My rule has always been to explain the rules and if they don't follow them the wolves will eat. But it's hard sitting there watching a guy get booked. How do the vets and expats living there handle these type of situations? How far do we extend ourselves schooling newbies? Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]That is why I hardly ever drink with anyone. If they are big spenders the girls then expect me to follow suite. If the guy is a Cheap Charlie then I am one too. You are the company you keep. I never recommend or play cupid with any girls I know because it will always bite you in the ass with her and her friends and the entire bar if she is a bar girl. Great way to lose friends, lovers, or both.
So much for following your own rules. I try to help new guys to a point. Once they do everything the exact opposite of my advice I become the girls best friend and try to see how much we can get out of the fool by buying tons of drinks, getting a high priced meal, over paying for play, buying gifts for her. I turn it into a game for me.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]How far can we extend ourselves for a newbie?
Last weekend I met a first timer who had strayed from the Hamaca resort. He asked me the scoop on things so I had him meet me on the strip that night. First I explained the rules: Don't let a girl sit at our table unless you are more than sure you might take her, don't buy them exotic drinks, get the bedroom price and rules before hand, don't mislead the girls. Well we sit on the strip at Piano bar and as soon as he sees a big ass he forgets everything I told him now I got to try to do damage control. One girl winks comes over, shakes his hand and her and a friend are at our table. I tell the friend that seat is taken and they both double team the dude. The waitress appears and looks at the ladies and they both order double baileys. I tell him to buy them president beers and he said it's okay. They talk ten minutes and one girl asked for 100 usd for two hours. He tells me this and I tell her that's nowhere near the price of girls walking the street. She doesn't budge and gives me mean looks. He is stuck and I told him don't let them sit down but he said she just did it. I explained you got to be firm with these girls. She walks off and the waitress brings dude his 800 peso beer for the two drinks. Five minutes later another sits down with him. I go to the restroom and the waitress stops me. She said I come here all the time and many people respect me but its not a good look to get the reputation of someone who stops Dominicans from eating. The girls have to make money and my friend wants to spend money so let him. Damn, now this is falling back on me.
A girl I call my little sister walks by and kisses me and the guy goes crazy. I figure she speaks English so maybe he can't fuck this up. She sits down and asks for a water. The other wolves are sitting around looking pissed at our table.
They leave and two hours later I get a call. Dude is upset because the girl is raising hell in the room. I ask him to put the phone on speaker. My sister said the guy doesn't want to pay her. I ask him and he said she never asked for money beforehand, plus he thought she wasn't a hooker because she was my friend. I explained that he met her on the strip and girls don't walk there to trick for free. She wants 2500 pesos and he offers 1000 pesos. I explained to dude that he paid almost that for two girls to sit and talk for ten minutes. I mediated the shit whereas dude would give her 1500 pesos and I would give her 500 pesos next time I see her. I didn't want the situation escalating on the newbie I somehow felt responsible for.
My rule has always been to explain the rules and if they don't follow them the wolves will eat. But it's hard sitting there watching a guy get booked. How do the vets and expats living there handle these type of situations? How far do we extend ourselves schooling newbies? Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I would not try to give a stranger any kind of advice on this kind of thing unless he specifically asked my opinion, and I would not take offense if he did the opposite of what I suggested. I would not introduce him to anyone I regarded as a 'friend', and I would not assume that I had any kind of responsibility for him.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]How far can we extend ourselves for a newbie?
They leave and two hours later I get a call. Dude is upset because the girl is raising hell in the room. I ask him to put the phone on speaker. My sister said the guy doesn't want to pay her. I ask him and he said she never asked for money beforehand, [b]plus he thought she wasn't a hooker because she was my friend[/b]. I explained that he met her on the strip and girls don't walk there to trick for free.[/QUOTE]This is fucking hilarious. My bet is that the dude was just playing stupid and trying to get a freebie.
You should have dropped his knuckle-head ass off at a jack-shack. He would have went home and told all his buddies that he met the most beautiful woman in the world and now has a girlfriend there.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]How far can we extend ourselves for a newbie?
Last weekend I met a first timer who had strayed from the Hamaca resort....Well we sit on the strip at Piano bar [/QUOTE]Just want to point out to some that Gogo is talking about Boca Chica here (although he posted in this forum), lest he scares the newbies away from Sosua. I've never had girls sit down at my table uninvited in Sosua. The girls in Boca Chica are wolves!
Personally, I am curious as to how the numbskull was able to call Mr. Gogo. Do a lot of you guys give your phone numbers out to random people you meet? And 'lend' money to random strangers in bars as Oakie did? Because if that is the case, a dickhead like me could make a good living up there!
[QUOTE=Dickhead;2130540]Personally, I am curious as to how the numbskull was able to call Mr. Gogo. Do a lot of you guys give your phone numbers out to random people you meet? And 'lend' money to random strangers in bars as Oakie did? Because if that is the case, a dickhead like me could make a good living up there![/QUOTE]
That "random stranger" is someone I've known for 9 years, and it wasn't a "loan", LOL.
She's been around a long time. I've never done her, but she has connected me to fresh new out of town talent. In my world, one good turn deserves another.
Read it again, dickhead, it was the "random stranger" who got sore because I would not lend him any money! The guy I was talking about, who also took offense at what he "thought" he saw!
Not good to make dickheaded assumptions about what you "think" is going down in a third world bar! :)
Thanks to the guys that provided useful info and to the guy that offered nothing. My conclusion is that we also have to size up newbies and not go with our heart and just want to help a lost countryman. When the signs are there that they are more in tune with following their own agenda instead of following our helpful advice, maybe it's time to move on and let the wolves eat.
[QUOTE=MrGogo;2130295]How far can we extend ourselves for a newbie?
Last weekend I met a first timer who had strayed from the Hamaca resort. He asked me the scoop on things so I had him meet me on the strip that night. First I explained the rules:
My rule has always been to explain the rules and if they don't follow them the wolves will eat. But it's hard sitting there watching a guy get booked. How do the vets and expats living there handle these type of situations? How far do we extend ourselves schooling newbies? Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]In my experience, the average person does not learn what a vet knows by a crash course. And in enough instances in so limited time, all the stranger may get out of the lesson is, don't do this, and don't do that. Thats not learning. I do not believe they truly understand or appreciate the value in what you are getting across.
To a stranger they may not be rules, but instead precautions / guidelines. And I doubt you could possibly break down every reason and scenario that might apply so he can grasp what's in his best interest. Another way to look at it, he has no reason to believe anything you told him is a matter of life or death, so he's is free to take it under advisement, but do his own thang. It's not your job or responsibility to monitor what another man does, just because you gave information that he asked for. And he is under no obligation to follow your advice / rules.
From a vet and an expats perspective, I would not expect casual acquaintances to do exactly what I say. And I do not fault them for doing what they feel like doing. Now if I catch a case about being bothered by what they do which is contrary to what I advised against, then that's my fault. As for your working girl friend? She is in the business, and he is a customer. They can both have at each other, and let business run it's course. Their business problems are theirs.