My most recent test re HPV
[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2920928]I'm curious how many of you have STDs?
I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!
HPV is really prevalent.
How many of you have HPV?
I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I don't know if HPV can be tested for exactly or tested easily but the last time I had a complete physical exam so thorough that anything regarding HPV was brought up at all was 5 years ago. I had undergone a check everything everywhere physical exam at Bumrungrad Hospital required by my health insurer because I turned 65.
But the only thing that showed up regarding HPV, as pointed out to me by the doctor explaining every result for every test conducted, was trace evidence of me having taken the 3 step HPV vaccine regime a few years earlier. Which I had done at the Thai Red Cross near Lumpini Park.
Otherwise, nothing. No traces of it or any other STD or STI in my system. Same as every blood test for various STD / STIs I have periodically taken before or since. Which with regard to HPV is amazing even to me with all the DATY I have done over the past 50+ years.
The problem is there is no HPV test.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2920996]I don't know if HPV can be tested for exactly or tested easily but the last time I had a complete physical exam so thorough that anything regarding HPV was brought up at all was 5 years ago. I had undergone a check everything everywhere physical exam at Bumrungrad Hospital required by my health insurer because I turned 65.
But the only thing that showed up regarding HPV, as pointed out to me by the doctor explaining every result for every test conducted, was trace evidence of me having taken the 3 step HPV vaccine regime a few years earlier. Which I had done at the Thai Red Cross near Lumpini Park.
Otherwise, nothing. No traces of it or any other STD or STI in my system. Same as every blood test for various STD / STIs I have periodically taken before or since. Which with regard to HPV is amazing even to me with all the DATY I have done over the past 50+ years.[/QUOTE]Wow congrats! That's amazing! You don't even have Herpes?
CDC said we all most likely have HPV even if we don't show symptoms. There are over 100 strains of HPV. HPV can be dormant and take 5-10 years to cause precancer and 20 years to cause cause cancer.
There is no HPV test for men.
CDC strongly recommends preteens to get HPV vaccine, so by the time they are sexually active, it will protect them from getting HPV.
I'm thinking of getting the HPV vaccine even though it doesn't seem to be recommended for people over 45 for some reason.
It's not clear to me why they don't recommend everyone to get HPV vaccine. Is it because insurance doesn't want to pay for it?
Thoughts?
Thanks!
It was just a spur of the moment decision
[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2921917]Wow congrats! That's amazing! You don't even have Herpes?
CDC said we all most likely have HPV even if we don't show symptoms. There are over 100 strains of HPV. HPV can be dormant and take 5-10 years to cause precancer and 20 years to cause cause cancer.
There is no HPV test for men.
CDC strongly recommends preteens to get HPV vaccine, so by the time they are sexually active, it will protect them from getting HPV.
I'm thinking of getting the HPV vaccine even though it doesn't seem to be recommended for people over 45 for some reason.
It's not clear to me why they don't recommend everyone to get HPV vaccine. Is it because insurance doesn't want to pay for it?
Thoughts?
Thanks![/QUOTE]I never thought about getting the HPV vaccine until after I moved to Thailand 12 years ago.
It was simply not on my radar as something to be concerned about. And it could have been because whatever I had read about it by then seemed to pertain mostly to young women being advised to take it.
My decision to get the 3 shot series was essentially a What The Hell, Why Not kind of thing. I was sitting in the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic, waiting for the results of my HIV blood test, which I was getting done every 2-3 months just to know but mostly to have a Negative / Non-Reactive test result document in my name on hand should any of my partners want to see one, and I saw a poster on the wall saying the HPV vaccine series was available there.
So when I met with the nurse to receive my HIV test result I asked her about it:
Is there any reason I, as a (then) 62 year old man, should not take the HPV vaccine series?
No.
How much does it cost?
As I recall at that time, about 9 years ago, it cost about 2,100 baht per shot, totaling approximately 6,300 baht.
When can we start?
Right now. First shot today, next one a month or two later, next one a month or two after that.
So that's what I did. The first shot left my arm slightly sore for a few hours. No other side effects to speak of. I had health insurance at the time, but only for hospitalization, so I just paid out of pocket for each shot on the day I got it.
I read we can request the vaccine at older ages.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2922004]Vaccine or not to vaccine?
Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.
Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL![/QUOTE]It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.
There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.
They do define an exposure as sex with an HIV-positive partner
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2924195][B]BBFS[/B] 4 out of 10000 [I]as per the CDC[/I].
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Perhaps it should be mentioned that, according to that site, it is 4 out of 10,000 bareback insertive penis into vagina exposures with an HIV-positive partner, right? Not just 10,000 bareback fucks with 10,000 random women.
It could be 10,000 bareback fucks with the same HIV-positive partner, could be 1 fuck each with 10,000 different HIV-positive partners, or some combination of the two.
My guess is it would be rare for most of us to even meet an HIV-positive lady in our daily lives, much less fuck her. But it certainly can happen. Would it happen more than 10 times in our lifetimes, much less even close to 100 times, much less 10,000 times? Doubtful, imo.
Especially today when people with an HIV diagnosis have probably been put on a relatively low cost regime of medication that keeps their viral load so low it does not show up in a test and therefore they are not even considered "HIV-positive" at that time. Or the lady has such an early stage of infection that it is not showing up in any symptoms yet for her to know about it and seek medical care and at that stage the viral load might also be too low to infect a man inserting his penis into her vagina.
And, not to downplay any of these more than zero risks, but, seriously, what are the chances that at least 4 of the men who came up HIV-infected in a "10,000 exposures" survey told a bit of a fib about only ever having bareback heterosexual penis into vagina sex and, darn it all, plumb forgot to mention those one dozen or ten dozen times they got fucked in the butt by their longtime companion they never introduced to mom and dad? Only 4 in the study of what must have been hundreds or thousands? I would say the chances of that happening are pretty good.
Not to mention that study conclusion did not control for circumcised or not circumcised, co-factors of other ailments that produced an open sore on the man's penis at the time and so on. Those factors could also easily be in play among that "4 in 10,000 exposures with an HIV-positive partner" study conclusion.
HIV Positive Thais Get Diagnosed, Treated, and Live Normal Lives
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2924551]Especially today when people with an HIV diagnosis have probably been put on a relatively low cost regime of medication that keeps their viral load so low it does not show up in a test and therefore they are not even considered "HIV-positive" at that time. Or the lady has such an early stage of infection that it is not showing up in any symptoms yet for her to know about it and seek medical care and at that stage the viral load might also be too low to infect a man inserting his penis into her vagina.[/QUOTE]I have some insight into the Thai Government HIV care system. Several years ago one of my non-P4P friends got very sick and almost died when the doctors determined she had HIV. The HIV drugs brought her back to health and now you would have no idea she had HIV. Her only life limitation is she must take her daily HIV pills on an empty stomach and eat no food for 2 hours thereafter. Standard drug store HIV tests show negative. She has maintained the same job for 4-years now. She has quarterly doctor appointments where many local HIV patients are seen and evaluated. She gets her medication for the next 3 months and then lives a normal life. As of 3 years ago her HIV medication cost 200 baht quarterly. Since that time her medication has changed and I don't know the price of the new medication.
One observation she made is that more than half the HIV patients were ladyboys.
HIV is not the death sentence that it once was. For Thai people, it isn't even a terrible financial strain.
