American Politics

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2558618]This is the most insane argument that I have ever heard. Do you realize that only 60 to 70 percent of those eligible to vote actually vote in America? There is even less participation in local elections. Why would a foreigner in the USA risk their right to stay in America performing an act that citizens don't even value themselves? You are arguing that people are irrational. They don't pursue their own self-interest.[/QUOTE]That point among others has been made numerous times but only ignored while the same Trumpian talking points are recited over and over. Call this the thread of the ad nauseam.

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As to the alleged flood of illegal immigrants that turned the election, all of us including the courts are still waiting on the proof. So far all we have is a botched press conference beside an adult bookstore in front of Four Seasons Landscaping, all accentuated by a hair dye fiasco.

Most immigrants who come to the United States come from traditional, conservative, and extremely religious nations, while nations that are considered secular and progressive, such as European countries, Japan, South Korea and Australia, send few if any immigrants to the USA.

Latin Americans make up the majority of immigrants to the United States. Democrats have been continually surprised that, considering the countless right-wing racist attacks they have endured (including candidate Donald Trump calling Mexicans who sought to come to the United States drug users and rapists), that they do not form a solid Democratic block. They don't. In fact, some 32 percent of Hispanics say their political views are "very conservative" or "conservative." This percentage is about in line with American adults in general.

In Texas, a quarter of Latinos voted for Ted Cruz over Beto O'Rourke in the 2016 USA Senate race. Without that Latino support, Cruz would have lost his senate bid in a landslide.

As for Sub-Saharan African immigrants, they tend to be conservative and extremely religious. Many find Western culture to be hopelessly decadent. Kevin Thomas, professor of African American and African diaspora studies at The University of Texas at Austin, notes that, in terms of political ideology, Black immigrants tend to lean more on the conservative side than the liberal side. This is in contrast to native-born Blacks who most often describe themselves as moderate Democrats.

One self-described moderate Republican Nigerian immigrant sounded like he was channeling your average white Trump voter when he recently told PRI, "Trump's not a politician, and he speaks his mind. Does things the way he believes things should be done. Nigerians prefer strong leaders."

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2558668]Most immigrants who come to the United States come from traditional, conservative, and extremely religious nations, while nations that are considered secular and progressive, such as European countries, Japan, South Korea and Australia, send few if any immigrants to the USA.

Latin Americans make up the majority of immigrants to the United States. Democrats have been continually surprised that, considering the countless right-wing racist attacks they have endured (including candidate Donald Trump calling Mexicans who sought to come to the United States drug users and rapists), that they do not form a solid Democratic block. They don't. In fact, some 32 percent of Hispanics say their political views are "very conservative" or "conservative." This percentage is about in line with American adults in general.

In Texas, a quarter of Latinos voted for Ted Cruz over Beto O'Rourke in the 2016 USA Senate race. Without that Latino support, Cruz would have lost his senate bid in a landslide.

As for Sub-Saharan African immigrants, they tend to be conservative and extremely religious. Many find Western culture to be hopelessly decadent. Kevin Thomas, professor of African American and African diaspora studies at The University of Texas at Austin, notes that, in terms of political ideology, Black immigrants tend to lean more on the conservative side than the liberal side. This is in contrast to native-born Blacks who most often describe themselves as moderate Democrats.

One self-described moderate Republican Nigerian immigrant sounded like he was channeling your average white Trump voter when he recently told PRI, "Trump's not a politician, and he speaks his mind. Does things the way he believes things should be done. Nigerians prefer strong leaders."[/QUOTE]Yet when all his is netted out, immigrants vote probably 3:1 democrat. This country has taken on tens of millions of immigrant voters since Kennedy changed the immigration system. The end result is that the equilibrium has been shifted and we have gone from a right of center country to a left of center country. That will have economic, social and other consequences and they will play out gradually over coming couple of decades. We don't defy gravity here in the USA.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2558668]This is in contrast to native-born Blacks who most often describe themselves as moderate Democrats.[/QUOTE]And why is that? It is because Martin Luther King Sr told them to. Before that 1960 election most were Republican. And why did he tell them to? Because the Republican candidate Nixon would not help get his son out of jail, but the Democratic candidate Kennedy did. If it was not for that small moment in history, the Democratic party would probably not exist today.

Very interesting.

Kennedy was the greatest president in the last 100 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2558691]And why is that? It is because Martin Luther King Sr told them to. Before that 1960 election most were Republican. And why did he tell them to? Because the Republican candidate Nixon would not help get his son out of jail, but the Democratic candidate Kennedy did. If it was not for that small moment in history, the Democratic party would probably not exist today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2558618]This is the most insane argument that I have ever heard. Do you realize that only 60 to 70 percent of those eligible to vote actually vote in America? There is even less participation in local elections. Why would a foreigner in the USA risk their right to stay in America performing an act that citizens don't even value themselves? You are arguing that people are irrational. They don't pursue their own self-interest.[/QUOTE]60% is the norm but in some counties democrats had 110% of their registered voters vote. 2020 proved that the election did not follow the pattern of the last 50 years. 2020 was the only year ever that democrats had more votes in counties than they had registered voters. Seems strange to me too.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2558567]Why do you try to put words in my mouth?

First, other countries have a standardized approach to their Federal ID process. Virtually all states require 2 forms of ID to register to vote. Only an idiot would say that showing up with a hunting license and a birth certificate is "good" but showing up with a student ID and a birth certificate is "bad". And my question STILL REMAINS. Why are Republicans so against this? By the way, I never said anything about voting in another country's elections.

Maybe if you spent more time learning and less time bloviating, you'd make fewer ridiculous statements.[/QUOTE]The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.

[QUOTE=Canada;2558703]60% is the norm but in some counties democrats had 110% of their registered voters vote. 2020 proved that the election did not follow the pattern of the last 50 years. 2020 was the only year ever that democrats had more votes in counties than they had registered voters. Seems strange to me too.[/QUOTE]More lies. Show which counties by their official tallies had this. Multiple Trump lawsuits alleged that more people voted in electorates than people on the rolls until they were confronted with the actual official tallies and were forced to withdraw the allegations. They had matched the wrong electorates.

[QUOTE=Canada;2558704]The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.[/QUOTE]So why do they need to Gerrymander? Why do they need to disenfranchise blocks of voters that traditionally don't vote for them?

[QUOTE=Canada;2558704]The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.[/QUOTE]That's why they banned handing out water bottles to voters in Georgia right? That's why they now ask for a voter ID in Texas right? That's why they gerrymander the hell out of counties to get more seats in the house right? That's why when they voted on Trump's impeachment they blocked witnesses from testifying right? That's why during the presidential elections of 2020 when people were afraid to go the polls due to coronavirus and counties started hosting mail-in voting, Trump posted his boy DeJoy in the White House who attempted to cripple the post office by dismantling mail sorting machines right? That's why Trump was caught on the phone trying to convince Georgia to "find him votes" right? That's why in 2000, Florida mysteriously removed 12,000 black voters from their register right? Because they want fair elections. Ahhh yes, how could I forget?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2558689]Yet when all his is netted out, immigrants vote probably 3:1 democrat. This country has taken on tens of millions of immigrant voters since Kennedy changed the immigration system. The end result is that the equilibrium has been shifted and we have gone [/QUOTE]Kennedy 'changed' it. The 1965 Immigration Act?

News that nearly 1,000 Chinese Americans donated a total of $86,000 to the far right group the Proud Boys last December shouldn't surprise anyone.

It should, however, worry Democrats.

Democrats have been counting heavily on shifting demographics with regard to their party's future. Their hope is that as America diversifies and becomes a less white nation, elections will trend Democratic. However, news of large numbers of Chinese Americans supporting white nationalist groups demonstrates once again that demographics are not that simple.

While it may seem illogical that a large number of non-whites would support the far right, a deep dive into the data helps explain this counterintuitive trend.

Immigrants who came to the USA From communist countries Cuba and China, foremost are likely to be fervent anti-communists, and are thus tailor made for right-wing politics, including extreme far-right groups like the Proud Boys.

"You have to understand how we feel. We came from communist China and we managed to come here and we appreciate it here so much," Rebecca Kwan, a Proud Boys donor told USA Today. "The Proud Boys are for Trump and they are fighting Antifa, and can you see anything good that Antifa did except destroy department stores and small businesses?

Newsweek suggested that the donors could be "radicalized Chinese expats or 'deeply conservative' Chinese Americans who support the misogyny and racism of far-right movements.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2558705]More lies. Show which counties by their official tallies had this. Multiple Trump lawsuits alleged that more people voted in electorates than people on the rolls until they were confronted with the actual official tallies and were forced to withdraw the allegations. They had matched the wrong electorates.[/QUOTE]Here is news from USA Today. I guess they lie also.

USA TODAY.

The claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested.

A claim made by President Donald Trump and his supporters on social media is that Pennsylvania election officials reported more mail-in votes for the 2020 election than the number of ballots requested.

Users on Facebook are sharing a screenshot of a viral tweet from Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano that purports to show data shared by the Pennsylvania Department of State. Data is laid out in a chart, with vote totals for Trump and Democrat Joe Biden, with a timestamp of 8 pm Nov. 24.

Mastriano adds the chart "was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. ".

Below the chart is this question: "Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148 ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total mail-in voters number 2,589,242? From where did the extra 1,126,940 votes come?

By December 1 Department of State took down the chart. Amazing every time there is evidence of fraud that the democrats in Department of State removed the charts of the vote totals but it is easy to check that they received more than 100% of the ballots. Happened in Georgia also. This is USA Today a democratic newspaper that reported this.

[QUOTE=Canada;2558746]Here is news from USA Today. I guess they lie also.

USA TODAY.

The claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested.

A claim made by President Donald Trump and his supporters on social media is that Pennsylvania election officials reported more mail-in votes for the 2020 election than the number of ballots requested.

Users on Facebook are sharing a screenshot of a viral tweet from Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano that purports to show data shared by the Pennsylvania Department of State. Data is laid out in a chart, with vote totals for Trump and Democrat Joe Biden, with a timestamp of 8 pm Nov. 24.

Mastriano adds the chart "was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. ".

Below the chart is this question: "Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148 ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total mail-in voters number 2,589,242? From where did the extra 1,126,940 votes come?

By December 1 Department of State took down the chart. Amazing every time there is evidence of fraud that the democrats in Department of State removed the charts of the vote totals but it is easy to check that they received more than 100% of the ballots. Happened in Georgia also. This is USA Today a democratic newspaper that reported this.[/QUOTE]Why post lies that are easily disproven in a 30-second internet search.

"The statistic combines data from Pennsylvania's June primary election, in which 1.8 million voters requested vote-by-mail ballots, and data from the general election, in which voters mailed back more than 2. 6 million ballots that were counted. " Quote taken from [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9787630390?fbclid=IwAR0Ai01_WNTZn-CIXQFJHNvp0r2-Kvvr1ERyMHZcXfFfgHvWfDQNVOcVI0I[/URL].

[QUOTE=Canada;2558703]60% is the norm but in some counties democrats had 110% of their registered voters vote. 2020 proved that the election did not follow the pattern of the last 50 years. 2020 was the only year ever that democrats had more votes in counties than they had registered voters. Seems strange to me too.[/QUOTE]Give the BS a rest.

Your claim of more votes than voters has been debunked over and over, ad infinitum. "Your candidate lost. Too bad for you. Suck it up. Screw your feelings." Remember these same words from 2016?

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/31/fact-check-michigan-townships-had-more-registered-voters-than-votes/4097868001/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/30/fact-check-fals-president-than-were-registered-u-s/4010087001/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2558704]The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.[/QUOTE]Pleas explain why a potential voter showing a hunting license an a US birth certificate can get a photo ID and why another potential voter showing a college photo ID and a US birth certificate cannot get a photo ID?

We all want to take advantage of your superior wisdom.