Pattaya Reports

I am scheduled to arrive in less than 2 weeks and am really wondering what to do. All tickets, reservations, bookings are in place, I will lose $500 if I cancel or postpone. On the other hand, Thailand is still not banning the Chinese entry so risk is still increasing. One infected tourist kisses a working girl who spreads it to few mongers who in turn. You know what I mean.

So what do you advise?

And how are things in Pattaya at the moment? Are the beach road girls still congregating in large numbers or are we beginning to see drastic drop in numbers and increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419334] increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?[/QUOTE]Face masks may help the look of many Pattaya girls.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2419092]There's a thread on Pattaya Addicts stating that some girls are trying to charge 1500 on Soi 6 now, anyone on here been asked for that.

1000 is the maximum for me, when you add on a drink for you and the girl and barfine, Soi 6 isn't cheap anymore, especially considering the quality of most of the girls.

The Night.[/QUOTE]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419334]I am scheduled to arrive in less than 2 weeks and am really wondering what to do. All tickets, reservations, bookings are in place, I will lose $500 if I cancel or postpone. On the other hand, Thailand is still not banning the Chinese entry so risk is still increasing. One infected tourist kisses a working girl who spreads it to few mongers who in turn. You know what I mean.

So what do you advise?

And how are things in Pattaya at the moment? Are the beach road girls still congregating in large numbers or are we beginning to see drastic drop in numbers and increase in face masks on beach road and walking street?[/QUOTE]I just got back from 2 days and 2 nights in Pattaya. My general impressions were little changed from my other recent visits. I still saw a Chinese tour group passing through Walking Street. But maybe not as many as before. Contrary to what has been posted here of late, I actually saw several more lookers on Soi 6 and, very surprisingly, on Beach Road than I have in the past. Could it be that Nightwish Group or whatever and the rumored higher asking price of 1500 baht from the girls on Soi 6 has upgraded the quality here and there? I have no idea.

However, the results for what I require were essentially the same in Pattaya as always recently; Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me. Consequently, there was very little of a True GFE/Real Sex nature to be had for me with the girls I would want to have it with in Pattaya. More or less the same as my other visits in the past several years. I did get a decent BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from a very hot little spinner I met on Soi 6. Paid the 500 baht barfine at midnight and took her to my room for it.Then she stayed all night afterwards for 2,000 baht to her. Yep, she said absolutely positively NO to bareback full service with me, too. LOL.

Other than that one girl and oral experience, there was zip of True GFE/Real Sex for me for those two days and nights. Contrast that with three new girls in a row from go-go bars, beer bars and freelancing who agreed upfront to bareback full service with me with little hassle and inconsequential extra cost in Bangkok less than a week before. And every one of them was better looking than the "lookers" I approached and got refused bareback with in Pattaya.

But a lot can happen in the next 2 weeks or so while this coronavirus hysteria continues to develop. As far as the actual risk to you possibly getting a headache and mild fever for a couple of days, I mean. Overall, I would say on the sexual front if you are the kind of punter who is happy to accept covered almost everything and willing to pay the girl's going rate you should have no problem getting all the P4P you want from virtually any girl you want in Pattaya two weeks from now. And Bangkok and everywhere else in Thailand for that matter. As always.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2419461]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.[/QUOTE]People usually come to Thailand because they prefer Asians over Romanians. You and I both know that the Asian FKK girls are old and ugly. Since 2011 only met one Asian girl, a young firecracker Vietnamese girl who lived in Germany at GT Bruggen. No one on the Thailand forum says Thailand is better than FKK clubs. However, FKK clubs are also on the decline since the new laws around 2 years ago with only Romanians now and girls wanting 3500 baht for 30 or 60 minutes if you want DFK and BBBJ, both a must for me. FKK clubs also have a 1700 to 2700 baht entry fee for most FKK clubs and you also need to rent a car in NRW so I wouldn't exactly call FKK clubs cheaper at all.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2419537]...Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me...[/QUOTE]On this topic, I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.

I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.

BTW, thanks for the heads up on the Viet chicks on soi 4 in Bangkok. I like them a lot as they tend to be eye candy. I went looking for them on soi 4 and met one who qualified as eye candy. I pretty much wifed up with her for the 5 days I spent in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2419546]People usually come to Thailand because they prefer Asians over Romanians.

However, FKK clubs are also on the decline since the new laws around 2 years ago with only Romanians now and girls wanting 3500 baht for 30 or 60 minutes if you want DFK and BBBJ, both a must for me...[/QUOTE]And there are some mongers, who like me, like both.

You are indeed correct that unofficial prices have gone up, if one wants all the goodies. I remember when I first went to Germany in 2006,50 Euros for a 30 min session was the norm. Now, in 2020, it is still officially 50 Euros, and that's becoming a joke. Some girls have fled elsewhere where they can earn more, like in Switzerland, and the few who remains in the German FKKs require more money for a decent session, I. E something other than a wambam-thankyou-mam.

I myself have been offering 100 Euros per session, for a few years now. But I do specify my desired services ahead of time. It's worked fine for me so far.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2419555]On this topic, I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.

I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.
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[/QUOTE]Yes, I believe the "go with the flow" and repeat sessions approach has a much higher success rate for this than going for an upfront agreement with a newly met girl. Going for an upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP from a newly met Thai P4P girl of above average attractiveness is a much heavier lift in almost every way, to the point where I would argue it is in an entirely different world of mongering than what most punters even attempt.

Still, "going with the flow" and repeat sessions are not nearly as necessary for me in Bangkok and I can usually get that upfront agreement from a 2nd or 3rd newly approached girl on a given night, unlike in Pattaya. Going 0 for 4 or even 5 in a night is rare but can happen. That often means I will get too many Yes replies to handle over the next couple of days. It tends to occur in waves that way.

So I don't usually gamble with the "go with the flow" approach in Bangkok. Especially since a NO to either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM in the room brings any possible sex with a finish for me to a screetching halt. And I will then have no reasonable standing to reduce or deny full payment to the girl. The downside to rolling the dice and not making my point is too great over time. And in Pattaya I am not there long enough to entertain the idea of repeating a girl for a second session on the off chance that she might then agree to one of the only two things that will produce a finish for me. I have brought it up again on a second encounter with the same girl and given some a chance to change their reply if they want a repeat with me and my money. To no noticeable improved result. LOL.

Glad to hear things worked out well for you with the Vietnamese girl. I did see a lot more of them standing on Soi 4 in front of Hillary 1 Bar again last night. So Goatscrot's mention that they might have gone missing for their Tet (Chinese New Year) week was probably correct.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2419555]I don't indulge myself much on BBFS, but I do like to pursue eye candy girls. I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and I met 3 girls during that week, who would qualify as eye candy.

I also managed to get bareback from all 3. However, I never discuss it up front. If I like a girl, I tend to repeat with her and if the mood strikes me, I then ask for BBFS. Plus I am a generous tipper, which tends to sway the outcome.[/QUOTE]This is very similar to my approach. It just came to me naturally because I like the girls and I stuck with it because it works. So, I never request bareback like some others and that is not to denigrate their alternative methods since it seems to work for them, but roughly 25% of my girls leave it up to me in the bedroom on the 1st night and that percentage rises with repeat sessions. I should add that every once in a while I prefer to wear something with certain girls although I have let passion rule over reason more than I care to recall. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2419555]BTW, thanks for the heads up on the Viet chicks on soi 4 in Bangkok. I like them a lot as they tend to be eye candy. I went looking for them on soi 4 and met one who qualified as eye candy. I pretty much wifed up with her for the 5 days I spent in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this sounds interesting. I have never seen these Viet chicks on previous visits. Guess I will have to wander down Soi 4 and see what's up.

[QUOTE=Ukman57;2419461]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.[/QUOTE]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2419537]I just got back from 2 days and 2 nights in Pattaya. My general impressions were little changed from my other recent visits. I still saw a Chinese tour group passing through Walking Street. But maybe not as many as before. Contrary to what has been posted here of late, I actually saw several more lookers on Soi 6 and, very surprisingly, on Beach Road than I have in the past. Could it be that Nightwish Group or whatever and the rumored higher asking price of 1500 baht from the girls on Soi 6 has upgraded the quality here and there? I have no idea.

However, the results for what I require were essentially the same in Pattaya as always recently; Not one girl in the half dozen or so better looking ones I approached, chatted with and bought drinks for in either the Walking Street or Soi 6 bars agreed to bareback full service with me. Consequently, there was very little of a True GFE/Real Sex nature to be had for me with the girls I would want to have it with in Pattaya. More or less the same as my other visits in the past several years. I did get a decent BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from a very hot little spinner I met on Soi 6. Paid the 500 baht barfine at midnight and took her to my room for it.Then she stayed all night afterwards for 2,000 baht to her. Yep, she said absolutely positively NO to bareback full service with me, too. LOL.

Other than that one girl and oral experience, there was zip of True GFE/Real Sex for me for those two days and nights. Contrast that with three new girls in a row from go-go bars, beer bars and freelancing who agreed upfront to bareback full service with me with little hassle and inconsequential extra cost in Bangkok less than a week before. And every one of them was better looking than the "lookers" I approached and got refused bareback with in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the detailed response.

I really wish that those Chinese groups disappear for next 2-3 months, I really do. One of the infected person mongering in Pattaya for 2-3 days will create a catastrophe for all of us.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the other big group emerging on Soi 6 which are owned by the Chinese. You may want to avoid those as well as they are charging gogo bar rates.

I'm curious to see how this plays out on Soi 6. imo if Mr. Flowers and the Nightwish Group has raised the prices the others will likely soon follow suit. Thailand is the land of monkey see monkey do.

Maybe 90% of the guys who go to Soi 6 do so because they are budget conscious and find good to excellent service for a good price. Just can't see how over 95% of the girls on Soi 6 are worth 1500 baht + 350-400 barfine. If lady drinks on Soi 6 are 180 baht I have no clue how any of these girls are going to make money. Why buy a Soi 6 girl a lady drink when gogo bar lady drinks are about the same price for a girl WAY better looking imo.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE]NW Group Soi 6, Mods, Sex in the City, Offshore, Roxy, Foxy, Kawaii, Butterfly, Where Angel PLay, Horny, Pussy Cat, Nature, Repeat, Play Pen, Nightwish, Toy, Passion, Seduction, Envy, Warath, Avanice.

Soi Chaiyaipoon Gentlemen Club: Orange, Anny and Blue.

Soi Bongkot 8, Love Inn: J-Club and Sin.

The head guy for this group is also the owner of a major website in regards to Pattaya. I don't know him personally but have conversed with him online about a few subjects. I've never discussed his business dealings but have concluded his objective since I know a number of his partners.

His original goal was revived a dying Soi 6, he has accomplished that goal. That goal comes with a price as you see now that goal to have a monopoly? The first once it got going was to up the BF for in-house and out, the major reason for the out I understand is many of the bars including his have so many girls if you take them out the business losest money the ugly ones are left manning the store.

The drinks not much you can do, being a foreigner he is operating legit to a point you notice his tab it is computerized usually means he is paying a VAT taxes as they say doing so his operating cost goes up.

The problem with places like Soi 6, many of the price hikes are due to rumors! For example and this is what I got first hand years ago when things started to pick up. You go into a place not owned by NW, the girls tells you prices similar to NW, the majority of the time it is hearsay. I ask the girl how much BF / ST she quotes me I ask her why she say that is what NW is getting! I look at her and around she isn't even NW quality but that is what they get so that is what she should get. It doesn't make sense right? I'm thinking you got no customers fat and ugly and you want what?

Don't think it just happens in Soi 6, it happens at the GoGo's too! I've been to so many seen so many times I remember when the girls started to ask LT at a top GoGo 5000 baht it started to become standard girls think so and so got it so I ask the same. Then the mamasan got involved for others reason and put this concept on to the menu. I remember 5 years ago sitting at this place next to a American the girl who I knew well, nice body average looks had a overbite get 5000 baht, she got up wink at me smiling all the way to the bank I rarely see her get BF.

Those days BF was one thing today it is out of control, seen it coming when I heard the owner / manager at soft opening for a place called REHAB on Soi Baukhao it didn't last 9 months because his excused for the hight BF was " I had to " when I heard that last when I was a kid walked into a Chinatown jewel store and told the owner " you had to ". Today many of the GG are owned by another Farang group each one is open to obtain their captial back from putting into the place want a return right away. These guys have zero business experience because of that the prices go up and up so high they rarely stay open for long.

In spite of the BF prices you do have a say in what you pay a girls it is really like what and how Mr. E and BB tells it. No matter who you are unless you are a real millionaire or whale the two week millionaire come all this way and they aren't going to hang on to their cum so they pay it. But you can negotiate the rate down but that is up to each of you?

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2419704]Is it possible to list names of nightwish bars so we can avoid them? Only an idiot will pay that kind of price. I won't.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nightwish-group.com/[/URL]

SL.

I was in Pattaya for 2 days and a night. My first visit to Pattaya. After Baccara refused me entry, I went to Sugar baby and then Windmill in front of it. Both gogo bars are similar. Same owner I guess. I would say it was my best gogo bar experience during this 15 day trip.

Nude chics and Lesbian action going on in the corners. At windmill I asked a young petite girl for a drink and she just straight on sat on my dick topless and started gyrating. During the second drink I had her on my lap sucking her tits and kissing with her jerking my dick. Girl next to me was putting ice cubes in her vagina and shooting them into a glass. Fun experience. Will definitely visit again if I am in Pattaya. Girls did their job and got me into mood. Then took a decent looking and fun bargirl from beer garden to my room for a 1000 baht session.

I guess gogobars are just for foreplay. I wouldn't bar fine at such high rates even if I have money to burn. Also I find Windmill better than Bangkok or Phuket. At least the girls are putting some effort for their lady drinks.