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[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421020] She lives in Bangkok and studies computer programming for four years.[/QUOTE]Next we're going to hear about Bangkok Thai engineers who come to spend their week end on Pattaya's beach road for being prostitutes because the economy in Thailand is too weak.
All the girls have opinions. It depends on them who to go with and who not to go with. Maybe some had bad e experience with somebody. This could be Germans, French, Americans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese or any number if nationalities who visit there. Yes, sometimes Indians are denied entry in clubs. This maybe due to they have bad experiences before.
I am sure vast majority of Indians are liked. I am sure many go home happy. There are literally thousands of willing girls. Maybe some prefer Koreans only, or prefer British only. Likewise they may not like some nationalities.
I am sure many Indian visitors spend lots of money and well behaved. You cannot stereotype whole people. Especially not take the word of a street prostitute. If she did not like to go with Indians why did she go with one to a club willingly. Maybe the guy was negotiating cheaper price. We all negotiate.
It maybe true this girl comes to make money on certain days. Competition is tough on beach road, They are human beings. Walking beach road every day is tough life. It is the same in like any of the freelancer places. They get tired of not earning any money whole night.
My point is do not post in this forum about any bad things girls say about anybody. I am sure the poster does not want his ethnicity denigrated by anybody. Just post your mongering experience.
[QUOTE=AssAddict;2421257]Next we're going to hear about Bangkok Thai engineers who come to spend their week end on Pattaya's beach road for being prostitutes because the economy in Thailand is too weak.[/QUOTE]It seems not so likely that Thai people with good jobs and a good income will come to Pattaya for example to turn tricks (but I am sure it has happened at times when girls are in need for extra cash and when the expenses are very high). But to me it makes sense that a student will do it as a way to get an income, instead of not having to take so high student loans. I was with the girl again yesterday, and had a great time with her, and we talked about many things. One thing is how she supports herself when she is in University and at this point she can support herself and don't need to take student loans.
She told me that during her first year in University she needed to take loans but now she supports herself with the money that she makes by working in Pattaya during the weekends plus that she makes some money in school also. She told me that she can earn around 10 000 and up to 15 000 Baht per month in school, by helping friends in her class with homework and so. For example when some of her friends are lazy or whatever and misses class, she helps them to catch up for some money. This is what she told me and being true or not I am sure many will doubt. But at least she told me that she supports herself with this plus working in Pattaya and doesn't need to take student loans anymore. If I was a student myself I am sure I would be happy to find a way to avoid student loans, and to do some extra work besides studying would be a good way to avoid the loans.
[QUOTE=Ukman57;2419461]Since the Nightwish Group opened up their 15 bars or so bars price creep along this soi 6 have gotten stupid 1500 + 400 + 180 Ld, one can find much better looking girls in a German FKK and Cheaper these days, Why spend the money on the fare to BKK and endure 12 hour flight each way when one can spend the fare on a few girls in a German FKK.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 was so much better when it was all enclosed bars / brothels and was devoid of loud music and the "party" atmosphere. The transformation made a once pleasant experience into a one that I find less than desirable. And having one owner for so many bars is never a good thing. When they were all independent, each had its own personality as opposed to being cookie cutter with only colors to differentiate them.
[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421546]It seems not so likely that Thai people with good jobs and a good income will come to Pattaya for example to turn tricks (but I am sure it has happened at times when girls are in need for extra cash and when the expenses are very high). But to me it makes sense that a student will do it as a way to get an income, instead of not having to take so high student loans. I was with the girl again yesterday, and had a great time with her, and we talked about many things. One thing is how she supports herself when she is in University and at this point she can support herself and don't need to take student loans.
She told me that during her first year in University she needed to take loans but now she supports herself with the money that she makes by working in Pattaya during the weekends plus that she makes some money in school also. She told me that she can earn around 10 000 and up to 15 000 Baht per month in school, by helping friends in her class with homework and so. For example when some of her friends are lazy or whatever and misses class, she helps them to catch up for some money. This is what she told me and being true or not I am sure many will doubt. But at least she told me that she supports herself with this plus working in Pattaya and doesn't need to take student loans anymore. If I was a student myself I am sure I would be happy to find a way to avoid student loans, and to do some extra work besides studying would be a good way to avoid the loans.[/QUOTE]I remember meeting part-time weekend workers in Pattaya down from BKK 15 plus years ago, mainly in discos. Most were great fun and far better looking that the run of the mill Isaan lasses.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2421555]Soi 6 was so much better when it was all enclosed bars / brothels and was devoid of loud music and the "party" atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. Nightwish ruined soi6, open bars with party atmosphere have nothing to do with brothels, many spoiled girls around the soi now who offers weak service in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2421561]Totally agree with you. Nightwish ruined soi6, open bars with party atmosphere have nothing to do with brothels, many spoiled girls around the soi now who offers weak service in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]I am too recent here to have known the "old" Soi 6 but I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business. They see me walk by 5 times a week shortly after opening time when clients are few.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2421561]Totally agree with you. Nightwish ruined soi6, open bars with party atmosphere have nothing to do with brothels, many spoiled girls around the soi now who offers weak service in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]Shame really. 6 was about sex, not drinking and partying.
OK it's not all South East Asians and not all working girls but deserved or not it's real, visitors from these here parts have an image problem with Thai working girls.
Cultural differences in behavior and attitudes towards paying for sex and those working in the business which reflect social norms and caste structures back home along with issues on personal hygiene and call it for what it is a negative perspective on dark skin all combine to often make these nationalities feel less than welcome.
It doesn't help that negotiating price is quite often a drawn out contentious exercise nor does mongering in groups of 5 or 6.
Heretofore it didn't matter a lot to the business side of the P4P scene in Thailand but it's now undeniable that in destinations such as Pattaya this demographic is making up an ever bigger share of demand. Money talks and both the operators and the girls are realizing this and adjusting their attitudes and with some changes in behavior on the part of the visitors going forward hopefully this issue will become less of an issue.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2421556]I remember meeting part-time weekend workers in Pattaya down from BKK 15 plus years ago, mainly in discos. Most were great fun and far better looking that the run of the mill Isaan lasses.[/QUOTE]I believe you are right. I don't have enough experience to tell the difference of how the girls look when they come from Isaan compared to other parts of the country, but I am sure there are differences. The girl I was with this weekend comes from someplace near Phuket she told me and that is far from Isaan I think.
You are the second guy responding that doesn't think it's impossible to find part-time weekend working girls in Pattaya that comes here from Bangkok to work during the weekends. Mr Enternational also has experience from girls working in the discos coming for the weekend, from Bangkok. The rest of the guys saw it as bullshit coming from a girl when they heard the story of a girl being in University in Bangkok during the weeks and come to freelance in Pattaya during the weekends.
I think it's refreshing to hear your and Mr Enternationals voices and I see you as open minded to see that the reality can be like that, and that not all girls found in Beach Road or the discos by default are lying trashy girls that basically are full of lies. I do know many girls lie but I don't assume that just because I hear a different story, that it must mean that the girl is lying. Those guys that automatically see girls as full of lies and not to be trusted at all, well to me that is being just narrow-minded, prejudiced and to see the girls in a simple-minded stereotype way.
[QUOTE=XXL;2421570]I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business.[/QUOTE]How do they know that wanting your business means they need to make eye contact with you? Some people prefer passive and others prefer aggressive. Others are complaining about too many ugly chicks making eye contact with them.
If I like someone then I will make my interest known by giving them a hello and go from there. I won't say well if they are not jumping all over me or doing what in my mind they should be doing, then they do not want my business.
[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2421582]I believe you are right. I don't have enough experience to tell the difference of how the girls look when they come from Isaan compared to other parts of the country, but I am sure there are differences. The girl I was with this weekend comes from someplace near Phuket she told me and that is far from Isaan I think.
You are the second guy responding that doesn't think it's impossible to find part-time weekend working girls in Pattaya that comes here from Bangkok to work during the weekends. Mr Enternational also has experience from girls working in the discos coming for the weekend, from Bangkok. The rest of the guys saw it as bullshit coming from a girl when they heard the story of a girl being in University in Bangkok during the weeks and come to freelance in Pattaya during the weekends.
I think it's refreshing to hear your and Mr Enternationals voices and I see you as open minded to see that the reality can be like that, and that not all girls found in Beach Road or the discos by default are lying trashy girls that basically are full of lies. I do know many girls lie but I don't assume that just because I hear a different story, that it must mean that the girl is lying. Those guys that automatically see girls as full of lies and not to be trusted at all, well to me that is being just narrow-minded, prejudiced and to see the girls in a simple-minded stereotype way.[/QUOTE]Mr E and I have lots of experience in Thailand. I've lived here for over 20 years. Gals have been supplementing their incomes by doing a bit of P4 P on the side ad nauseam. Back in the day Thermae would be filled with part-timers the last weekend of the month as gals wanted to make a bit more than their meager office jobs paid them. I had gals drive me to the PB Hotel in their cars. BKK gals have been hitting Pattaya to work forever as well. They feel less exposed and are less likely to be seen by people they know there. Perhaps they head down with a friend and they both are looking for a little extra money. When they go to a disco and find a dude they are attracted to and he gives them some money, then they feel less like a working gal as opposed to putting a post up on finfinfan.
[QUOTE=XXL;2421570]I am too recent here to have known the "old" Soi 6 but I reckon 60 % of the girls eschew eye contact with me. That leaves enough girls to have sex with but I can't help thinking why the fuck so many don't want my business. They see me walk by 5 times a week shortly after opening time when clients are few.[/QUOTE]On my trip to Pattaya a week or so ago, I was there primarily to meet and hang out with a friend of mine of several years from Wales. He is 28 years old, tall, blonde, handsome, built like Superman, a face like a young Paul Newman, quick-witted, personable, speaks more Thai than I do, lives a few months of the year in Hua Hin with his beautiful Thai girlfriend and their baby.
To say I am virtually invisible to the girls when I walk around with him is an understarement. LOL. Every other dude in the vicinity is invisible when this guy is strolling by. Eye contact? The girls climb over each other to jump on him. He can easily get it for free or nearly free most places, but he is not silly enough to accept it for free when he knows the girls need money.
He was fine with the looks of many Soi 6 girls. As I posted earlier, in terms if looks, on this trip to Pattaya I saw a few more better looking girls on Soi 6 than I'd seen before. Maybe that is a mixed blessing due to this Nightwish group's influence.
But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl.
In his 4 nights there he found exactly one girl that he had an attraction for and was good to go bareback with him. And she was actually a rather plain jane compared to all the hotties tripping over themselves to just touch him.
He was so turned off by the bullshit, he just repeated that same girl two days.
Go figure.
All show and no go with too many of the Pattaya/Soi 6 girls lately? Could be. At least as far as what my friend and I consider worth the time, effort and money, that is.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2421615]But here is the kicker. That friend of mine had essentially the same rate of failure to hook up with a good girl who gives good service in Pattaya as I do! LOL. Now, I need to clarify that he is strictly a barebacker, same as me. So that is the minimal starting point for him to qualify for "good" sex for money. And he is fine with "going with the flow" as well as clearing up all the condom issues before taking a girl.
In his 4 nights there he found exactly one girl that he had an attraction for and was good to go bareback with him. And she was actually a rather plain jane compared to all the hotties tripping over themselves to just touch him.
He was so turned off by the bullshit, he just repeated that same girl two days.
Go figure.
All show and no go with too many of the Pattaya/Soi 6 girls? Could be. At least as far as what my friend and I consider worth the time, effort and money, that is.[/QUOTE]"Turned off by the bullshit".
Jeez ET, a girl who doesn't want to risk contacting a STD by going bareback is what? A dud a failure, a freak, a loser.
BBFS is not safe something almost all working girls know and wisely chose not to do.
I sympathize with your problem of not be able to pop with a cover, your regular testing, circumcision vasectomy etc but why denigrate girls who don't want to risk their health.
Oops! Make that South Asians.