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"Blondes versus brunettes".

There is nothing like a good cat fight.

Will they be dressed in heels, stockings, usw.. and will they be tearing these clothes off?

Who is selling tickets?

Who cares about their attitudes towards specific people, they are *****s, they get paid to fuck and act nice while we are there. They could say whatever they want behind our backs.

[QUOTE=Travelerb69]We discussed about car rental here before my trip, but some info will be of use. According to my research there are 4 sites in which one can get the best rates to rent cars in Germany, the best option is gonna depend on time of rental and kilometers you want to travel.

First there is the [url]www.sixti.com-[/url] It is the budget site for sixt cars. Its rates are the cheapest at first, but there are a few tricks- its like Ryan Air, very cheap but if you travel with excess luggage, it can be very expensive. There is a limit of 100 km per day, one can not deliver the car at a different point from the pick-up, third-party insurance is not included in the basic price, just two groups of car and the cheapest car group begins with Smarts. Also if you want to extend the length of your rental period you have to go there and sign another contract, not possible by phone. That was the site I used to rent the car. Since I drove a lot, it became more expensive than any of the other three. I advise this site for short periods, less than 5 days and if not driving more than 100 km a day, in that case it is the best deal. I was afraid I could be given a smart so I booked one period of 4 days, time I spent in Hessen, and then another longer one, so as in case I got a smart I could stay just for fours days and then upgrade. It turned out just the opposite- I was given a Meriva at first, two upgrades for free, since no smarts were available, however when renewing there were lots of Smarts at the parking lot at Hahn airport, so had to beg to be given a Fiesta instead, so it is hit and miss. But at sixti you do have a chance of be given a Smart, it almost happened to me.

Then there is the [url]www.sixt.com[/url] –tricky, isn’t it?, I did not know the difference. Trough this site, the official for sixt, you have a bigger selection of cars, the basic rate is higher but no charged extras, free mileage and third part insurance included, it is also possible to deliver the car at a different location for no extra fare and to extend the length of your rental period by phone. Recomended for periods of more than five days.

Then there is [url]http://www.amigoautos.es/[/url] , I found it to be the best deal for long periods, more than one week, otherwise is expensive. Cars begin with polo/fiestas(no smarts) and everything is included, insurance and free mileage. Also possible to deliver the car at different location. It is a car booker which books from sixt in Germany, so they are the same cars.

And last another booker, this was a tip from the girl at the counter at the airport, [url]http://www.holidaycars.com[/url], it works with several car rental agencies but generally not with sixt. Excellent rates also, more or less the same price as amigosauto. So depending on length and kms of the rentals one of the four will be the best option.

Regarding access to the clubs, I took my TomTom 720 bought about six months ago and had no problem at all to get to any club, even gas stations, shops, whatever. I do envy those of you who manage to get to the clubs only using maps, even with google maps and the stuff, I would not be able to, or at least would take much longer. As for the costs of the rental versus public trasportation, if you choose the correct rental agency(which I did not this time, it costed me more)it costs something like 25 euros a day, public transportation including a taxi may cost more.

Travelerb69.[/QUOTE]

Great info Traveler69. One thing also worth noting is that the prices can vary for different sites of the same company. For example, renting VW Golf for 4 days in June (over a weekend) costs £118 on avis.co.uk, $223 (£112) on avis.com and €262 (£202) on avis.de so it's worth having a look on the .com, .co.uk and .de sites of each major rental firm as you could end up saving quite a bit of money.

Well over the last few months I have delved into the FKK scene across various parts of Germany including:

Palace, Oase, World, Dolce Vita, Bernd's, Villa.

Although I've come to the conclusion that there are many other variables that contribute to the experience outside of just the place and the girls, such as your mood, energy levels, languages spoken etc, which is why everyone always has different opinions. Pretty much each of my experiences were great, especially my first 2 consecutive days at Palace (my first FKK experience). Just like any first experience, they are often the best.

I had many many amazing experiences, a couple of not so great (got ripped off big time at Villa by Roxanne who everyone should STAY AWAY FROM), spent thousands of Euros and generally had a ball.

So how would I rate these clubs starting with the best:

World. Yes I rate this the best. Why? The complex is amazing, it is huge, has much of everything, best facilities of any club and a huge amount of space to really relax in. You can really be where all the activity is in the bar, or away from it all in the huge outdoor area. This was fantastic the other day since the weather was great. Also entry currently only €50. The Girls are generally high quality, most speak good English and provide a very good service. I'm really looking forward to my return and will definitely do when the weather is hot again so I can really enjiy the facilities and spend a full day there. Also quite a bit out of the way, about 40km from central Frankfurt so you'll need a car.

Palace. I rate this 2nd best. Would have been first had I not decided last minute to go to World (and glad I did). Palace was my first FKK experience and I went 2 days in a row, so I may be slightly biased by this. Over these 2 days I had about 8 or so sessions and every single one of them was great. My best sesion was with a half Italian half Greek girl, can't remember her name (I know this doesnt help, but I had a full list of notes that I lost! ). Very passionate. You can't really go wrong here, plenty of girls, all speak English. Also some good areas to relax so you're not always in the middle of it all, and very close to central Frankfurt, only about €10 in a cab. I will definitely be going back again (and again and again hopefully). The only questionable experience was with Vanessa, tall gorgeous girl with a log tattoo on her back. Well actually the session was great, it just that I had to pay €100 for a service which should cost €50 and waited till we got to the room to tell me I had to pay €100 if I wanted a full GFE which everyone else there charges €50. Also, I have to say that I think Palace probably has the best selection of girls.

Oase comes in third for me. Again, very good facilities, good outside area which I didn't get to use because was mid-winter, but will go there again in summer. Very good selection of girls, and all round very good services, a couple of outstanding ones, but again since I lost my notes can't give names. This place isn't close to central Frankfurt, was about €40 or €50 in a cab. Probably quite easy if you have your own car. Actually I got the S-Bahn to the closet station and a short cab ride from there, but a cab back home since it was after 4am. Lost of good Kino action here, seems like the done thing before most sessions. Didn't experience any rip-offs, just a bit of upselling, like anywhere else really. Defintely recommended.

I know at this point the real FKK experts will be annoyed by lack of mention of Bernds so far. I had very high expectations for this place given the reports by our seasoned professionals. I drove quite far out of the way to get there and was dissapointed by a few things. The place is quite small. It is 2 levels but still small and crammed. This does set a tone for lots of interaction and a close party feel which normally I'd say is great. Problem was, pretty much nobody spoke English! I know this is my problem not theirs, I am a visitor after all, but still. I found it very hard to get involved and had there not been a couple of guys who struck up conversation with me, I would hardly have spoken to anyone. Even the lady in charge couldn't speak English. I only had one session and it was fantastic. The girl wears very interesting Ugg Boots. I found her to be very sexy and beautiful and she has an amazing oral technique. A great session and I'd highly recommend her. I'm glad I went there, but not sure I'd go back. And you definitely need a car for this one.

Next on the list is Dolce Vita. This is a smallish club in Dusseldorf. They are currently also completing the outside area which involves a pool or spa etc. This club seems like a bit of a nightclub, good music, sometimes people dancing, several men dresed in normal clothes etc.

The girls were OK, a few very good looking ones. There is 'no' entry fee but they do €30 extra on the first session (50+30) and 50 for each after that. You also need to spend at least €20 at the bar. So basically a €50 entry including €20 drinks. The noteable session was with a girl with a mame starting with D. She is young looking, very petite, constantly on the pole dancing and looks quite a bit like Avril Lavigne. So had to have her. Great session, lots of DATY and she loves it and very sexy in the room. I'd do her again. Also had a great session with another girl. A few other others I could have done.

Villa comes in last on this list. An amazing looking building. I did expect a bit more from the inside given the looks of the place from the outside, but I found that there wasnt really that much space. Still a very impressive place. Again my biggest problem here was the Girl's lack of English. Not being able to speak to the girls really hampers the experience. That said, I had an absolutely amazing experience with a girl named Monica (I think). She was Polish, spoke no English but literally came over to me sat down, realised we could speak and started giving me amazing oral right there on the couch. We then went to a room where she really gave me lots and lots of great oral. She was really working hard for a FT finish. We then got into a great 69 for a while before she flipped me over, mounted me and rode me until the finish. I really enjoyed the session and was €50 well spent. Would probably have had a second session if I could find her again. There were a couple of other hot girls there but in general not the best quality, and also found them quite aggresive too. Then the biggest rip-off happened. I was tired of waiting around so approached Roxanne (Romanian from memory) She was quite sexy so we sat for a while and had a chat for a bit. I wanted to go to a room but she said she was going to do a pole dance first. So I sat and watched, got quite horny. When she finished, she sat down with me, and her friend on the other side (I knew where this was going). So the first ripoff happened when she said she felt like champagne after her long dance. Now I have no idea why I agreed and normally would never. I should have gotten up and gone to another girl. Anyway, I spent the €100 for the champagen for the three of us. Then it all started on the couch. 2 girls all over me, giving me oral, kissing me, letting me DATY etc. In the midst of it all one of them asked if I liked a 'lesbi' show. Who would say no to this (well normally me because of the cost.) but didn't really think and said yes, so they started kissing. Licking eachother, licking me etc etc, all this still on the couch in front of everyone. So at this point I was ready to go to a room at which point they dropped the bombshell that I already owed them €100 each, plus the €100 champagne and I I wanted to finish I'd have to pay another €50 each for standard or €100 each for 'lesbi'. I wasnt happy about this, so after much discussion I agreed to take only Roxanne to the room. I must admit it was a good session. But after all that she had the gall to ask for €100 for the session. I didn't even bother arguing. So all in all was a very good experience, except that it cost me €400. €400 can usually go quite a long way in a FKK. So I was pissed off about, and she really did use every trick to get as much out of me as possible. I would stay away from her. Don't think id go back to this club. They have so much space but haven't made good use of it.

This list is far from exhaustive, and intend on adding to it.

Also could have given all the details on the sessions and girls had I not lost the list.

So my summary so far.

The FKK experience is definitely the best mongering experience. You can't really go wrong.

Very much looking forward to the next one.

Good Mongering to all.

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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I need to concentrate on brunettes and dark haired girls next time at Palace and Oase. Maybe I need to stay at World as I recalled numerous brunettes and dark haired girls there whereas Palace and Oase was more blonde girls. Anyway that is my opinion of what the line ups are like so my apologies to those that disagree.[/QUOTE]
I made an unscheduled stop at Oase yesterday due to a missed flight and an extra 3 hours to wait till my next flight. I didn't count them, and since all are shaved it's impossible to tell who's a real blonde, but I would estimate that there were an equal number of blondes to brunettes. I think that this is very artificial criteria to decide who would be a better session.
IMHO, deciding who to session with has nothing to do with hair color, boob size, age or body type, unless you are so particular that only one of these will get you off. It all has to do with the SP's attitude, acceptance of her career choice, quality of service and what I call OOBA (Out of Bedroom Attitude). As opposed to hair, body type, etc. this is impossible to quantify, or to simply judge by looks.

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase] Oase kino that customers that pay well, are gentle and polite are approved and preferred clients for any girl.[/QUOTE]
This is also true and the main criteria by which the girls "choose", as opposed to a previous poster's claim, that SP prefer or refuse to give service to men of certain ethnic origins. And, they definitely share this information amongst themselves, constantly. I have been approached in clubs many times by SP, who I later discovered were sent my way by their colleagues (and yes, this can often be by ethnic/country origins- Germans speak to Germans, Romanians to Romanians, Spanish speakers to Spanish speakers)


[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I am not sure what peace is being broken between the blondes and brunettes. I tend (in general) to see the blondes sitting together and the brunettes sitting together.[/QUOTE]
In most cases the women sit together based on common language, not hair color. Yesterday at Oase, the weather was beautiful and dinner was served outside(solves the back of the bar problem). There was a table of Romanians eating together, Russians, and another of Germans. Mixed hair colors all around...


[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I do get less hassles and needing to brush off girls now because that message seems out about my preferences. Maybe it was worth it for that peace factor as I do receive the girls I like and not the ones I do not like.

Then in saying that I see your point the future implication that when my faves move on and no longer inhabit Oase that I may get a frosty welcome when I start trying out the girls that I had turned down previously and get cold service as they think I am going with them only because my faves are not working no more.[/QUOTE]
Unless, you plan on becoming a regular at one club, so much so that you are instantly recognizable when you walk in by the women who are permanent fixtures, I wouldn't worry about this. There's a high SP turnover rate, and between your trips, they will have many sessions with customers, so unless you have a distinctive visible trademark (like one of the experienced posters here who brings his own personal blue robe), it's hard to believe that they will remember your preferences from one visit to the next.

I'll post a short report in the Oase thread on my short Oase visit. BTW- I had 3 sessions (all dark haired).

Njoy...

[QUOTE=Iseeu]
Unless, you plan on becoming a regular at one club, so much so that you are instantly recognizable when you walk in by the women who are permanent fixtures, I wouldn't worry about this. There's a high SP turnover rate, and between your trips, they will have many sessions with customers, so unless you have a distinctive visible trademark (like one of the experienced posters here who brings his own personal blue robe), it's hard to believe that they will remember your preferences from one visit to the next.

Njoy...[/QUOTE]

Does my fat wallet stuffed with Euros count as a distinguishing feature?

[QUOTE=Akibono]Does my fat wallet stuffed with Euros count as a distinguishing feature?[/QUOTE]
No- I have one of those too.

But a big, fat, stuffed c*ck would earn you immortal fame...

Jackyo,

To me, Europe is the place to walk. I can afford a rental car, but I would rather take pulic transportation and walk off a bit calories of travelling. (In 2002, Euro was still .8$, when I stayed there for a month).

Could you please give some details in terms getting to some clubs with public transportation? I know how to get to Samya from the central station. Could you provide a route for Sudbad or other clubs you would recommend? I think WanKing used to do that for all the places he goes if I am not mistaken. But it would great to have it in a cental location available for every one.

Thank you very much.

Tom

[QUOTE=Jackyo]... they are ALL reachable by public transport.

I used to routinely rent a car during my trips but several years ago I decided to give up car rentals as a form of penance. This is my way of making up for the very poor performance of the US dollar versus the Euro.

I am, therefore, usually [i]Autolos in Deutschland[/i] (would make a good title for a movie, nicht wahr?)

For those who've not been at this for very long, there was a time when the Euro to the dollar rate was $0.85 to Euro 1.00. You know where it is these days.

The question is: how much time do you have to figure out the transfers and the fare system? With unlimited time you can get anywhere.

In Duesseldorf you can do the following very easily: La Bedo, Blue Note, Dolce Vita, Living Room, PT Mettmann (you should not go Mettmann though without signing a waiver saying you won't bad mouth the visuals of the selection) and PT Krefeld. In Koeln it would be Samya and Sudbad (but the [i]Verbindung[/i] with Bernds is very new so I don't know what you will find there). Wiago in Leverkusen is also easy and only involves a short walk. In Bonn you can get to Bernds (and the sucessor club to Calygula) but it will require a change to a bus at Hennef (this is very uncomplicated but it may throw you off).

With the exception of Bernds, the list above is of "one shot" public transport clubs: you take an S-bahn or U-bahn or Strassenbahn, get off at the correct stop and you walk the rest of the way. There are no changes necessary.

I am a purist, by the way. When I decide I want to get somewhere via public transport, I won't break the rules by taking a cab. Anything less than a couple of kilometers I consider to be walkable (besides I need to work off the nervous energy before and after a club visit).

The legendary Kaleu was a man obsessed about this. He didn't own a car and figured out that there was a way to get to every club by public tranport or by bumming a ride from someone who offered a [i]Mitfahrgelegenheit[/i].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OzPunter]I had many many amazing experiences, a couple of not so great (got ripped off big time at Villa by Roxanne who everyone should STAY AWAY FROM)[/QUOTE]Hi Ozpunter,

When you say the venue was Villa do you mean Villa Vertigo in NordRhein Westfalen or somewhere else? Sorry, I am still fairly new to knowing about all the various sauna clubs and FKKs to recognise that a reference to Villa is the same as reference to Villa Vertigo.

I was at Villa Vertigo a few weekends ago and had two excellent sessions with a Roxanna of Poland. She spoke excellent English as she lived in the UK for a while. Roxanna had long blonde hair (probably had extensions), freckled face, silicon D cup boobs recently done, a medium frame and curvy. I liked her arse as well - it felt lovely to grope her arse. If the venue we are talking about is the same and the girl is the same then I did not find her a rip off. She did all the deeds for €50 each session with gusto.

You say your girl Roxanne was Romanian, but my Roxanna (ending with an "a" and not an "e") was Polish. Her other blonde friend Adriana of Poland spoke no English at all. I tried asking if she had a school girl outfit or a nurse's outfit as I thought she would look so sexy in it. Sorry - its a British thing to have girls dressed in uniforms like nurses, air hostesses, school girls.

Are we talking about the same person here?

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Who cares about their attitudes towards specific people, they are *****s, they get paid to fuck and act nice while we are there. They could say whatever they want behind our backs.[/QUOTE]
That's the spirit!

[QUOTE=Akibono]Does my fat wallet stuffed with Euros count as a distinguishing feature?[/QUOTE]
.. a fat wallet with Euros when you are in the nude. :)

[quote=OzPunter]I know at this point the real FKK experts will be annoyed by lack of mention of Bernds so far. I had very high expectations for this place given the reports by our seasoned professionals. I drove quite far out of the way to get there and was dissapointed by a few things. The place is quite small. It is 2 levels but still small and crammed. This does set a tone for lots of interaction and a close party feel which normally I'd say is great. Problem was, pretty much nobody spoke English! I know this is my problem not theirs, I am a visitor after all, but still. I found it very hard to get involved and had there not been a couple of guys who struck up conversation with me, I would hardly have spoken to anyone. Even the lady in charge couldn't speak English. I only had one session and it was fantastic. The girl wears very interesting Ugg Boots. I found her to be very sexy and beautiful and she has an amazing oral technique. A great session and I'd highly recommend her. I'm glad I went there, but not sure I'd go back. And you definitely need a car for this one.[/quote]
Yes, the place is small and cramped.

Yes, they mostly don't speak English... and I hope they keep it this way. It adds to its appeal that its not an English speaking club. Lots of locals and local flavor, which is perfectly fine. The large tourist type clubs are better set up for non-locals.

No, you don't need a car to get to it. Its quite accessible by public transport but you have to know how to make the train to bus connection at Hennef.

Does anyone want to start a Bernds bashing thread? :)

These girls could not care less about the size of your cock, they are in business to get your Euros, that's all. If your cock was all that mattered you do not need to visit a *****house. While they offer service that is much better than most places, its all just an act. FKKs usually depend on repeat business, so they need to give customers and excuse for coming back. Being a ***** and treating clients like crap won't get them repeat business.

27 days to go before I amaze Euro optifucks with my charm, grace and fumbling old man skills. Hope to meet some of you legends, you will know me just by talking to me

So. On that A5 corridor (I decided to stay in Bad Homburg for the first leg of my trip) including Frankfurt, and up to World where is the best Wurst? Whats the local delicacy? Any great Turkish food?

I'm not interested in tourist traps, I like the small joints where the locals go.

Also. And this maybe really dumb. I am thinking of being a gypsy during the second leg of my trip. I will start off in Frankfurt but then need to head to Saarland for a day. I have been thinking of using FKKs for showers and grooming as well as pipe cleaning and scratching the cost of a hotel as I wander around. I can put hotel $$ into a super luxury car instead. How do the Polizei view strange Americans catching naps in vehicles. Although if they look at where I am from and understand geography they will figure I have been sleeping rough before.

If you see a white haired lightly tatooed pudgy little dude thats me by the way.

[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, I think they talk about little else with each other. I suspect, you were the main topic of discussion amongst the ladies at Oase this weekend. You better go with a brunette soon, or you are liable to have a lot of angry young ladies from the non-blond contingent on your hands.[/QUOTE]Yes, the girls all talk about their clients with each other. Just like us guys talk about the girls on this forum or during our visits to the FKKs and sauna clubs. The feedback is conclusive that they do so.

The Romanians talk with the Romanians, the Germans talk with the Germans, the Poles talk with the Poles and so forth. As you say I think I got quite a reputation this past weekend with my multiple sessions of one hour or more and also upgrading with extras each time too. I had a line up of blondes after me knowing I had a weakness for blondes to the dismay of the brunette contingent who complained to you and our other companion that LBC will never pick dark haired girls or brunettes regardkess that they still have great assets and very pretty. I did ont realise the extent until the points of even hearing it in other conversations.

You did not meet our companion from Hong Kong who I met that day and spent time with by the pool in the sunshine. He was a cool guy and had a thing for Tom Cruise and his shades (Shades of Hong Kong). LOL. He said during his session with a dark haired blonde from Hungary that even his girl even talked about me during his session. She would be sucking his cock and talk about me and what I liked doing in the room and what she preferred to do as opposed to me. LOL.

The Hong Kong guy came to see me afterwards incredulous that his paid for time was spent talking about me and what I liked doing in the room. I think it only came up because the cute Hungarian girl (I would like to go with as well for the record) saw the Hong Kong guy and me spending time together and thought we knew each other well.

In the rooms with some of my "girlfriends" I would get "oh yeah, I know, you want to do this position next and after the sex you like finishing this way or you want something a little different maybe?" or "I know you like me sucking you this way, with my long soft hair brushing you this way and me doing this with my hands as I suck you." I think I have my girls all well trained now and if I did session with an unknown they will know what I want since the word has gotten around.

So not only I am being accused breaking up the Oase peace by going with the blondes only but my sexual preferences are also discussed as well.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase