Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Bonzo1] 1. Kim W. complains about this, and yet he also says he has no problem getting his 500 baht pussy. The market has not been ruined ('despite' many years of thousands of people paying many times higher than this). Q.E.D.

2. Kim's initial complaint stemmed from my comment, "I have plenty of money to burn", which was a stupid and arrogant-sounding comment (apologies), but I was really just replying to a question of whether or not I was paying enough.
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I have no problem getting my 500 Baht pussy, because I'm in my 30s and I'm a handsome man. I get stunners for my 500 Baht. And I fucked also many stunners without paying any money in many different countries. (All right, that's all advertisement from me).

If I come to the subject: Wait and see how market in Pattaya will be, when more of my idiotic countrymen pay 12500 Baht for 1 hours fuck in Pattaya, just because 1 hours fuck in Denmark costs 12500 Baht.

Besides I have no problem with people who have plenty of money to burn.

That's all jazz!

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Piper1]Is this the famous Tammy from Yellow House Soi 6 Jomtien?[/QUOTE]
That's Tammy alright!

She can suck a tennis ball through 50 feet of garden hose.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Men are rarely rational when it comes to pussy! It's not the same as buying a car or house. This is nothing new! Men have been dumping their wealth on sex since the beginning of time. This will never change![/QUOTE]

You're right. A man has two heads. When a man got blood into his head between legs, he can not think with his head between shoulders. (I'm not a doctor, but I think the reason is the lack of the blood :-))

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentleman,

I'm not pushing anyone oneway or another but I have been reading the comments and everyone that has participated and contributed information pro or con on this subject and many of the opinions confuses me. Where should I start?

A. Economy, many of us seem to have a sense of what this is in the western
world but when it comes to Thailand many posters have express confusion
when it comes to Thailand. Like when Tourist is down they raise the prices
to make up for loss customers, for Freelancers, Barfines, Hotels, Entry
Fee's to clubs, even raise the price of your beer! How does such actions
like these related to supply and demand? Isn't it a contridiction?
B. There are many posters on this board and I would assume that each have
a different level of income. But I doubt many or any are millionaire or
billionaire and everyone feels they work hard for their money and sure
everyone has the right to spend it or not spend it as they please. But
why is it always so inconsistent when it comes to pussy and one doesn't
see their own inconsistence remarks regarding this body part. Why doesn't
that hard working individual spend or overpay for quality in their own
country? Why is it they don't spend extra for a car or house? But yet when
it comes to P4P in Thailand where the exchange rate favors them all of a
sudden they are rich. Money is no object!
C. When it comes to age, I think majority of us are pretty much over the hill
being fueled by the blue pill yet young and old there is a discussion or how
much one should pay? So how does being older allows one to better afford
quality and value for your money if we are having this discussion since
we old fuckers can't agree on anything?
D. I wouldn't call anyone stupid or agnorant! But if someone is going down
Beach Rd. and overpaying for a freelancer when normally she is
asking 500/1000 baht no matter how bad or good she looks ( quality )
and someone overpays one evening and when she goes back to the Beach
the next hour until 24 hours later she hasn't found another guy that would
overpay I come along and get her for 500 baht the next day. What would
you think of the guy who might have overpaid by 1500 baht if you found
out you got the same pussy for 500 baht?

I think for whatever reasons people come to Thailand I say pay what you want and when you want it and enjoy yourselves. But if you are here throwing your money like you are a milionaire when your're not and trying to justify why you can overpay on this board I again say knock yourself out! I can only think that you might be fooling yourself and not others. But once you go home and go back to work reality is going to set in that we are all the same! We will spend more for the little head and not much else!

There are rules, and there aren't any Freebies, that's all in your ego and mind!

LBM[/QUOTE]

I'm agree with you.

Why should anybody travel in many hours for coming to Thailand, if that anybody should pay "same same" amount of money as in his country, unless he's a masochist.

Regards.

Piper1,

That is the former AKA Tammy! She goes by the name Chompu now.

LBM

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
But three questions do matter:

1) Who decided this was the right price for S/T and L/T?

2) When was this decision made?

3) Why should I care if someone pays more or less than I do?

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Time to try yet another approach. Of course no one made this decision, any more than somebody sat down and decided the price of eggs. But it's still possible to pay too much for eggs. I think I understand where you're going, but I think this is the wrong way to get there.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Discussing economic theory is always difficult, so maybe it's best to tackle the issue from another angle. When I have more time, I'll try to respond to some of the points that have been raised, but for now, I'll try a different approach.

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Actually I prefer the simpler logic as follows:

Let's say they are right, and that overpaying CAN "spoil" a market. Then those of us who have the means have every motivation to overpay, because we're just reducing the market to fewer players, and that's better for us.

Point is, if the fallacy is true then they are actually motivating us to act in a way that would be detrimental to them. So if you really think those of us that "overpay" are ruining your market, you really ought to keep quiet about it!! Totally ironic, no?

But of course it's totally junk economics and the market doesn't work anything like that. In fact, as I explained before, "overpaying" (or paying more than the average customer might) actually helps everyone in the market, even those without the means to overpay, by attracting more girls to the market and creating the aura of possibility that ANY one of us could turn out to be their lottery ticket.

As is demonstrated here, those who disagree will complain about this to no end, ad hominem and ad naseum, no matter how much logic you give them to show their beliefs about how the market works are wrong. It serves a greater purpose to them than does reality.

-B-

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]I have no problem getting my 500 Baht pussy, because I'm in my 30s and I'm a handsome man. I get stunners for my 500 Baht. And I fucked also many stunners without paying any money in many different countries. (All right, that's all advertisement from me).[/QUOTE]

Good! Glad to hear you are enjoying your hobby. So you have nothing to complain or worry about. Case in point.


[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]If I come to the subject: Wait and see how market in Pattaya will be, when more of my idiotic countrymen pay 12500 Baht for 1 hours fuck in Pattaya, just because 1 hours fuck in Denmark costs 12500 Baht.[/QUOTE]

You don't really think this is some kind of new phenomenon, do you? That is extremely egocentric. People have been paying ridiculous prices in Pattaya long, long before you got there. Decades before. This market literally has nothing to do with you. Zero, zip, zilch, and nadda.

As to your other comment about "why should people fly all the way across the world to pay same same as in their countries", thought that's not what's actually being discussed here, the answers are also exceedingly simple (besides the obvious, "because we can"). A) they don't (paying 1000 instead of 500, for example, is still MUCH cheaper than pretty much any other place in the West, B) they get a LOT more value and experience for their money, C) the overall experience, which is nothing like in the West.

And the overall experience is PRECISELY what my posts were about (though now seemingly long lost and forgotten). Not this economics topic.

Anyway, I'm not going to change your mind and don't care whether I do, but perhaps Evil and a few others will enjoy these posts.

-B-

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Anyway, I'm not going to change your mind and don't care whether I do... -B-[/QUOTE]

Ditto here. That's why I'm not going to talk about all economic theories considering markets.

I would just say: Wait and see how market will be in few years, when more and more working women get 12500 Baht for 1 hours fuck in Pattaya from my idiotic countrymen.

A tuktuk in Phuket costs a lot of money (if I'm not wrong: 500 Baht now), just because only one idiot began to overpay for transport. (You can get transport in a car from Pattaya to Bangkok Airport for 800 Baht, but if you take a tuktuk for even few minutes in Phuket, that will cost you 500 Baht). Those who overpay working women in Pattaya just Phuketisate working women.

You may say your overpaying is just a drop in the sea. But if there will be more drops, then you will se how the sea will wash Pattaya away.

Besides all your arguments remind me someone who pollute the environment and claim that his/her pollution means "zero, zip, zilch, and nadda", because a humanbeing can't destoy Mother Earth alone. Yeah, that may be right. But if the amount of people who pollute will increase, the damage will be worse.

By the way, what about the responsibility? (Remember that, as you borrowed Earth from your grandson, you borrowed also a mongering paradis also from your grandson :) What about not destroying a mongering paradis for coming generations? )

This must be logic, even for a hen.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Good! Glad to hear you are enjoying your hobby. So you have nothing to complain or worry about. Case in point.




You don't really think this is some kind of new phenomenon, do you? That is extremely egocentric. People have been paying ridiculous prices in Pattaya long, long before you got there. Decades before. This market literally has nothing to do with you. Zero, zip, zilch, and nadda.

As to your other comment about "why should people fly all the way across the world to pay same same as in their countries", thought that's not what's actually being discussed here, the answers are also exceedingly simple (besides the obvious, "because we can"). A) they don't (paying 1000 instead of 500, for example, is still MUCH cheaper than pretty much any other place in the West, B) they get a LOT more value and experience for their money, C) the overall experience, which is nothing like in the West.

And the overall experience is PRECISELY what my posts were about (though now seemingly long lost and forgotten). Not this economics topic.

Anyway, I'm not going to change your mind and don't care whether I do, but perhaps Evil and a few others will enjoy these posts.

-B-[/QUOTE]

Bonzo1,

I think your argument is justified and I would agree that if you want to overpay or whatever one wants to call it. You and others have the means and right to do it. On the surface like you said I don't believe it affects the market or economy much since I don't think Thailand theory on economy falls with other countries as it seems they always bits the hand that feeds them. And a few mongers like yourself isn't going to harm the market or economy!

Now I don't think it was you but someone supported your position somewhat on "value" so even though you can... how does your A.B. and C.. apply since if money is no object and one has the choice of overpaying one would think you can stay at home in the West and pay huge amounts for services and expect the same experience as one would get by flying all the way to Thailand. This is somewhat a contradiction... there was a story done I think 60 minutes a while back... why people with money spend the kind of money they do " drop in the bucket " as they say by hiring call girls... they don't mind because these ladies are drop dead stunners, educated and provide the kind of service their wives or girlfriend don't. They don't mind paying huge amount for that value! Are you in this catagory? or are you flying here because you can for the variety?

I'm sure someone is going to point out so that we are beating a dead horse to death, or taking up too much bandwith space so please respond if you like in the Thailand Expat Forum, it can use the business plus it has plenty of bandwith space!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Bonzo1,

or are you flying here because you can for the variety?

LBM[/QUOTE]

yep - it's the variety. Variety is, after all, the spice of life! And in fact, I love Thailand...not just the girls, but many things about it. And I live in China, so first class air ticket + Terrace Suite at Marriott for a couple weeks costs me around USD 5000. Now compare that to flying to America (first class around USD 15,000) + hotels plus jet lag + $1000 or more per night girls who are boring and don't provide GFE or PSE .... well, you see my point.

Read through my posts and you'll see I offer some insights on the different markets in China as well. So why not just stay here all the time? Well, frankly, it's not only more cost effective to go to Thailand for a couple weeks of mongering, but also it is for the experience! ...or as you say, variety.

Also, I keep saying that I was paying pretty much the market rates anyway. Maybe next time I'll spend more. In fact in the past I asked for help on ideas of how to do that. Perhaps there are some people who'd like to join in such an endeavor?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]...I'm sure someone is going to point out so that we are beating a dead horse to death, ... LBM[/QUOTE]
You can beat a horse to death; you can continue beating the dead horse; but you cannot beat a dead horse to death. :)

Many, if not most, of these Pattaya working girls go home at night having found no customer that day. Several nice looking go-go girls have complained to me about finding no customer for days. When they do get a punter, they usually tell their co-workers and friends exactly what was given them for their service.

They know the market. They need money. They need as many customers as they can find. Almost all of them are willing to negotiate. Negotiation is part of the fun in mongering. Many of them are looking for boyfriends, sponsors, and/or husbands. So if they like a guy, they might expect less. If they don’t like a guy, they might ask for more.

Now and then they’ll find a big spender. They are happy to take his money, but won’t respect him any more – perhaps even less – then the others. They’ll do the next guy for the market rate and think nothing of it. They’re smart enough to know that the big spenders are few and far between. Those big spenders will have no affect on the market until the majority of punters start paying more. But there is never a majority of big spenders as long as supply is maintained. The more girls in the market, the less the average market price will be.

If it is easy for a pretty girl to get 2000 baht or more for ST, she’ll not likely agree to 1000, but she might accept 1500 if she likes the punter. If she finds it difficult to get 2000 frequently, she’ll start settling for less. The girls on Beach Road who find it difficult to attract a customer willing to give them 500 baht will start taking 400 baht or even less. That happens all the time. They NEED the money. We don’t need them. They need us. Their livelihoods depend on us.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]
Many, if not most, of these Pattaya working girls go home at night having found no customer that day. Several nice looking go-go girls have complained to me about finding no customer for days. When they do get a punter, they usually tell their co-workers and friends exactly what was given them for their service.

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This is an excellent and factual comment. While there I took home two from a disco. Was really going to just take one, but decided to kinda do her friend a favor (and it turned out being great fun anyway). Never even once mentioned price.

After the deeds were done, I gave them 3000. They flat out told me they had only expected around 2000, and that was for LT (I asked them to bail because I really needed the sleep and was busy the next day). I told them keep it. They were, or at least appeared, to be super appreciative, and said I was the first customer either of them had had in over a week.

Whether true or not, I believe it's irrelevant. The whole P4P thing is a fantasy for me (and for many others), and I enjoyed knowing that two great girls who provided very enthusiastic service could make an extra $30 (or more if you consider the ST v. LT factor, I suppose). I also gave them some drinks and food from my mini bar, which they did not even hint at asking for. I felt happy, and it's a nice memory of the trip.

Did I ruin the market with this behavior? Absolutely not. Were they definitely, beyond any doubt, honest? Well, they had zero reason to lie, but even if they were, and even if they thought I was a sucker, my point is who the hell cares?! I felt happy, and I'm sure they'd didn't NOT appreciate the extra money.

Btw, others have also suggested the "tip" strategy, and I agree with it. Pay more for job well done. I've done this many times in China and I have a veritable rolodex of reliables that will blow off other punters to see me whenever I call. That's service value I am willing to pay for. Meanwhile, my more budget conscious friends, or even those that just enjoy the thrill of negotiating, do absolutely just fine - simply because of the reality of supply, as Daddy07 so accurately pointed out.

Cheers,

-B-

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]I have no problem getting my 500 Baht pussy, because I'm in my 30s and I'm a handsome man. I get stunners for my 500 Baht. And I fucked also many stunners without paying any money in many different countries. (All right, that's all advertisement from me).

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I'm similar age and handsome, but I find that most good loooking girls won't "stick" (won't return calls, don't want to repeat the experience) at a 500 ST rate anymore. A few years ago they would, but now it seems like 1000 ST is the minimum for anything good looking.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]

Did I ruin the market with this behavior? [/QUOTE]
No!

The market's been ruined for quite sometime.