Angeles City

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2845576]Do you guys agree with this ex-pat in Manila. He says all the regular girls that he has dated, at some point, expect money from you to help out the family and the younger girlfriend. He says even if you avoid hookers, like he says he does, the topic of money will eventually come up. Do you feel in PI, you are a walking ATM, no matter what dating route you take.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdXj4_RdyG8[/URL][/QUOTE]No. All is a strong word. Defintiely not all. And I do not know what they expect, but the number of chicks that will eventually ask for money for something is much higher than say Brazil where I have never had a chick that is not a hooker ask for money in over 20 years. I have said before that the Philippines is the Dominican Republic of the Pacific. Many traits are shared between both populations and a high percentage of regular chicks eventually asking for money is one of them.

But don't take it personally. I know a chick from the Dominican Republic that moved to the States and soon her family was begging for money from her as if she was not struggling herself. She eventually had to block them. I told her now you see how we feel huh? She said yep. They act like because we live somewhere else that somebody is handing out a bunch of free money to us. I like to thell them well Saturday is my day off, but would you like for me to go in and work 10 hours so that I will have money to send you? It sounds pretty ridiculous to them when you put it like that; that we do not just have a bunch of extra money laying around to send people.

That hasn't been my experience at all. I've generally targeted the girls who are genuinely looking for a boyfriend as opposed to the ones that want to immediately meet up with you after you say "Hi" online. Maybe I've lucked out when I'm pipelining. Definitely after getting comfortable, like you said, after a few months they may say they have some problem, but won't expressly ask for money, but clearly suggest it. I would say about 50% of the girls I talk to and spend time with never have brought it up once.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2845576]Do you guys agree with this ex-pat in Manila. He says all the regular girls that he has dated, at some point, expect money from you to help out the family and the younger girlfriend. He says even if you avoid hookers, like he says he does, the topic of money will eventually come up. Do you feel in PI, you are a walking ATM, no matter what dating route you take.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdXj4_RdyG8[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jarango;2845635]I clicked on that guy's BS video and scrolled through it in about 2 seconds. Then I saw "Jasper" is offering one hour consultations. On f-g what?[/QUOTE]"Jasper" is kind of a problem in itself. He likes to shit on Phils and make it seem complicated, hard to navigate and perilous, like he is the only one with the key to unlock the Philippines and all it will cost you is a consultation fee.

He makes these doom and gloom videos about how shit the Philippines is unless he is there to hold your hand. It is just the way he chooses to market himself. People hate that guy so much so he should keep as low profile as possible for his personal safety. Most of the Expat Phils youtubers are older guys so he tries his hardest to discredit them by making disparaging comments about old men. These videos really do harm the whole community and he passes around unfounded marketing that has nothing to do with the Philippines or its culture and everything to do with his limited myopic take on the Philippines.

He has no real understanding of the culture and tries to draw conclusions based on western culture, he tries his best to complicate it making something its not, scamming these guys into using his service.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2845635]I clicked on that guy's BS video and scrolled through it in about 2 seconds. Then I saw "Jasper" is offering one hour consultations. On f-g what? The Philippines is dirt poor and therefore hard. When I was leaving last time, I gave the hotel receptionists and the asshole at the door 1000 PHP between three of them. One of the babes who is on the to do list next time, thanked me and said that is a lot to them and so means a lot. It was FK all to me. They knew I was a straight shooter. Another evening there was a big woman's BS on with cosmetics so I opened my purse and bought about 2000 PHP worth for them. Some hooker took a selfie with me. I was the man. For peanuts.

Point here is Little League is leagues above these folks. I have fcked hookers who only cooked by charcoal, to poor to do otherwise. I have given ordinary women serious dough to get them out of holes (no sex and I was not duped) and have no regrets and only think of it because I am typing.

This guy is no Casanova. He is rightly seen as a water buffalo, as someone with $$. That is no disrespect to him but try living without FK all and see how you get on. One of my happiest memories from the Philippines was being in a cheap (but not totally cheap) Chinese restaurant and a nearby table was full of locals celebrating some family thing, a family graduation or whatever. They had a big bottle of coke (green tea was free) and that father was the proudest guy I ever saw. I felt like shaking that hero's hand, not an exaggeration as I did something similar in a war zone, putting $200 into a kid's hands as she celebrated a family affair I was privileged to glimpse. Even thinking back on that brings me more than $200 of joy,.

The ancient Greeks asked us to "know thyself". Never too late to begin.

Money. FFS. Mate of mine, his wife is gone back home to their house is Mudsville where the whole village was out to greet her and her sprogs. Life is much better there than here, except they have no indoor plumbing, no prospects and they are in the middle of a never ending war. Here she works for what we regard as peanuts and pays a fortune in rent "for the children". Cash flow!

They ask for money. So does a taxi driver. When he is not looking at the meter. Join the real world not the fantasy world.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your take on this. I'm not rich by American standards. I work my tail off ten months a year and make decent money. But I live in an expensive place to make this money, have family I support in the US and in the Philippines. But still, I am far more blessed with money than most people in the Philippines. Most westerners (especially Americans) who go to the Philippines are not poor or else they would not be going there for vacation or to live. In the US, the absolute cheapest girl that is not a street walker, but works in an AMP, is about $250. An escort is usually $400 or higher. Most girls in PI who want money for sex are less than $100 US, or maybe slightly higher. That is already cheap.

I have one regular girl in Manila. I met her online as a freelancer, and we agreed on her price of 5 k for overnight. I'm sure I could have negotiated with her, but why would I? That is cheap for me. I saw her the next day for same deal. The last time she came before I left, she was shocked and embarrassed I wanted to pay her because she felt we had a relationship already. I sent her with some money anyway, and I told her I would help her to get her teeth fixed, which is about $350 because she has a lot of work and replacement to get. She says I'm the only one, but I'm not believing that. But it doesn't matter. She is a good person trying to help support her family, and helping her do that isn't really taking anything away from me.

I'll say this, too. If I think about it for value of my mongering dollars, the value is good. Three overnight stays, a chaste with sexy pictures and video calls, and for about $600 USD. That is a one hour visit with a mid-range escort where I live. And the sex with her is hands down the best I've ever had, and I think part of that is just because I'm generous. For me, it's worth it. It's also worth the extra 100 PHP I tip taxi drivers to see them smile, and worth the extra ice cream I buy for my kids and the kids in line behind me at Jollibee. Don't be taken advantage of, for sure, but do be generous. It really does come back to you.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2844698]Have to fully agree.

Bars are gettjng raided and closed down in angeles for showing a glimse of a bare breast and now we have claims of girls totally naked inserting bottles into their pussy.

The mind boggles at some of the claims, it really does.[/QUOTE]Sj is the best storyteller here. About the above show he's right, I've seen it too, and yes, what you're saying is also true, they got raided, closed down, then they reopened and have the same show again.

I have to add that I've seen topless. Tapeless shows in another bar also. Some girls know about them too, that's how I ended up there.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2845702]I totally agree with your take on this. I'm not rich by American standards. I work my tail off ten months a year and make decent money. But I live in an expensive place to make this money, have family I support in the US and in the Philippines. But still, I am far more blessed with money than most people in the Philippines. Most westerners (especially Americans) who go to the Philippines are not poor or else they would not be going there for vacation or to live. In the US, the absolute cheapest girl that is not a street walker, but works in an AMP, is about $250. An escort is usually $400 or higher. Most girls in PI who want money for sex are less than $100 US, or maybe slightly higher. That is already cheap.

I have one regular girl in Manila. I met her online as a freelancer, and we agreed on her price of 5 k for overnight. I'm sure I could have negotiated with her, but why would I? That is cheap for me. I saw her the next day for same deal. The last time she came before I left, she was shocked and embarrassed I wanted to pay her because she felt we had a relationship already. I sent her with some money anyway, and I told her I would help her to get her teeth fixed, which is about $350 because she has a lot of work and replacement to get. She says I'm the only one, but I'm not believing that. But it doesn't matter. She is a good person trying to help support her family, and helping her do that isn't really taking anything away from me..[/QUOTE]I applaud you guys for doing your part before the BS starts here. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2845702]In the US, the absolute cheapest girl that is not a street walker, but works in an AMP, is about $250. An escort is usually $400 or higher. Most girls in PI who want money for sex are less than $100 US, or maybe slightly higher. That is already cheap.[/QUOTE]Dude you are mixing and matching your argument. In the Amazon I was eating a fish plate for $2. 50. Down the street from my house in the States a fish plate is $15. I should conclude that in the USA fish plates are expensive?

You made your base about prices in one place then you brought in a totally different place to make a false conclusion about prices in that place. In fact in the Philippines $100 or slightly higher or lower would be very expensive for sex, not already cheap as you put it. Where are the average Filipino guys that are paying $100 for sex? There are none, because that is a ridiculous amount to pay for sex there.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2845713]I wish everything you said was true but the government does hand out money in the states, Especially during Covid, which is the cause of all this inflation. Illegals are being put up in 5 star hotels in New York. Welfare is back to being for life since Obama took the work requirement out of welfare on day one. Our country is now in major decline. Homeless everywhere, rampant shoplifting. Jeff bezos worked at McDonald's and now teenagers think they are above those jobs and should make 30 an hour to start.[/QUOTE]Politics? Here? Please move this discussion to a relevant thread.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2845837]Sj is the best storyteller here. About the above show he's right, I've seen it too, and yes, what you're saying is also true, they got raided, closed down, then they reopened and have the same show again.

I have to add that I've seen topless. Tapeless shows in another bar also. Some girls know about them too, that's how I ended up there.[/QUOTE]ExpatPat?

Montana?

NonSense? (Sailor Jack took you off my Ignore List so SJ can read NoShow's latest rationalization).

Please explain to us why you Angeles City experts are ignorant of this?

And also include your photos from your most recent trip.

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Fortune favors the brave.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2845565]And what bars are those that have been raided and closed in the past year?[/QUOTE]Gold bar for starters, raided and closed more than once.

Maybe making a recent visit will have you up to speed with what's actually going on in angeles instead of relying on me for all your up to date info.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2845837]Sj is the best storyteller here. About the above show he's right, I've seen it too, and yes, what you're saying is also true, they got raided, closed down, then they reopened and have the same show again.

I have to add that I've seen topless. Tapeless shows in another bar also. Some girls know about them too, that's how I ended up there.[/QUOTE]Many bar owners over the years have tried to bend the angeles rule book on what's allowed, only to get raided and closed, each raid and closure cost big money to pay off the police to drop charges, to pay the girls / mamas / managers release fines from jail and to also pay to regain ones bar operational licenses.

In the current climate where western visitors to angeles are a very rare breed hardly a good business decision to try to bend the rules for a few moments view of a breast.

As far as story telling, if I wanted story telling I would have joined a dreamer and fantasists based board.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2844704]Bars are gettjng raided and closed down in angeles for showing a glimse of a bare breast and now we have claims of girls totally naked inserting bottles into their pussy.
[/QUOTE]You made the claim.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2845565]And what bars are those that have been raided and closed in the past year?[/QUOTE]Its a fair question for visitors (including me), given NS' claim.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2846276]Gold bar for starters, raided and closed more than once.

Maybe making a recent visit will have you up to speed with what's actually going on in angeles instead of relying on me for all your up to date info.[/QUOTE]NS you have made yourself out to be an industry-insider (knowing mamas, owners, and waitresses; hitting the bars regularly with your Korean associates). The question was fair given your claim that bars have been closed. A few weeks ago Cosplay had been closed (the sign on the door indicated a sewage problem, not a raid).

Whilst I haven't seen one for a while except for in a backstreet bar catering to Filipinos where they occasionally do naked pole dancing. Naked shows seem rare but possible in Angeles still. If the bar wants to do it.

Remember it's all illegal and naked girls on stage is less serious than the act of bar fining a girl. Which is done every night. It's just more blatant and an easier target for the local politicians.

A small Korean bar beginning with be was doing it when bars were back open after the pandemic. Black nipple paint but some pussies out. You can be sure that this is already cleared with whoever they are paying bribes to or they are ready for the issues it will bring. No one would be doing this whilst not knowing what to expect. They did actually get temporarily shut down in the weeks after it. Probably for delaying their payment and pushing their luck.

Everyone knows gold bar was closed. It was in the news. For having minors. You could have walked in there any night leading up to it and pointed out the 2 or 3 minors with relative ease. It was so obvious it was stupid. The fact they reopened after it means their late fees were paid and it was business as usual.

Most bars don't do it because it's just not worth it for them. Bribery fees much higher. And believe it or not they don't bring in the high spending customer that could make it worth their while. Mainly drink nursers who will watch the show and exit. Also the type of girl willing to do it these days might not make for a great show anyway. You're not going to get a 7 or 8 doing a sex show in front of everyone in a bar when it's far more lucrative to do at home in front of her camera.

I plan to stay in Angeles city around 2 month.

Is there any hotel you can recommend, cheap and affordable one.

I heard some hotels offer discounted rate for long term stay.